Will Cain Country - Bigger Than Elvis? What Taylor Swift's Fame Says About America (ft. Julian Epstein, Bill Brown, Patricia Parry & James Dowdell)

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

Story #1: In 'Quick Takes,' Will and The Crew dig into the absurdity of the political and cultural moment. First, Taylor Swift appears on her boyfriend's podcast, breaking the internet. And Will still doesn't understand how she became this generation's Elvis. Plus, Zohran Mamdani shows his elitist colors, Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson’s tone deaf racial claim about President Donald Trump, and Sen. Chuck Schumer’s (D-NY) imaginary friends are exposed by John Oliver. Story #2: Former Chief Counsel for the House Judiciary Committee, Julian Epstein joins Will to break down the major ideological shift underway in the Democratic Party. Why are Democrats leaning harder into woke identity politics, open borders, and unsustainable spending despite voters clearly rejecting it? Will and Julian also debate whether the Democratic establishment is still in control, and if the American center is officially up for grabs. Story #3: Will sits down with Bill Brown, Patricia Parry, and James Dowdell ahead of the annual New York City Navy SEAL Swim across the Hudson River: a 3-mile tribute to America’s fallen heroes. They share what motivates them, what the swim represents, and why remembering the cost of freedom and their loved ones are more important than ever. Subscribe to 'Will Cain Country' on YouTube here: Watch Will Cain Country! Follow Will on X: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One. Why? I don't get Taylor Swift. Chuck Schumer has imaginary friends that he has had a relationship with for almost half a century. And the return of a massive brand. in high school football. This one will make people lose their minds. Quick takes. Two, Donald Trump wants somebody who loves America in charge of the image and the message from the Smithsonian.

We break it down with Julian Epstein. Three, the New York City Navy SEAL swim is this Saturday. I'll be swimming three miles across the Hudson with more than 100 Navy SEALs. several of which will join us today right here on Wilcane Country. It is Wilcane Country, streaming live at foxnews.com on the Fox News YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page, The Will Cain Show, Facebook and YouTube channels, and always available at Spotify or on Apple. Just moments before going live here today, I got the breaking news.

News that I do not think is local, news that I do not think is regional, and news that I do not think is simply about the state of Texas. The news is that the historic high school football program and the historic high school of Midland Lee, which had been renamed in the past five years, years, Midland Legacy has been renamed. The school will be named Midland Lee again, effective for the 26th, 27 school year. We reintroduce you to the Midland Lee Rebels. Two days, Dan, tinfoil, Pat, always here, present in the country.

The question I have for you is, are you familiar? with Midland Lee. Have you ever heard of Midland Lee before this very moment does breaking news? No. Midland Lee. That's not the one for Friday Night Lights? It is present in Friday Night Lights. It is not the star program. It is not the star program of Friday Night Lights. Friday Night Lights, the book, turned Friday Night Lights the movie. different from Friday Night Lights, the series, is a nonfiction book based upon Odessa Permian. Midland and Odessa are sister cities out in West Texas in the middle of the Permian Basin. They are the capital. One could argue in the United States of America

of our energy industry. The Permian Basin is responsible for a vast, vast chunk of our country's energy supply. They are true boom and bust towns. Odessa, where I have family and had a nephew play at Odessa Permian is the roughneck town, the blue-collar town. Midland is the white-collar town, the oil executive, millionaires, and high-rises town, the town of the bushes. But the rival of Odessa Permian

for all of those years was Midland Lee. Of course, there's Odessa High School, but right across town in the sister city, the dominant program was Midland Lee. And they were featured in the movie and in the book, Friday Night Lights. they, of course, were named after Robert E. Lee and had been for half a century.

The name was synonymous with high school football in Texas. And it was almost confusing. No one ever really committed it to memory. And I would often have to ask, hey, what is Lee called now? Because it had adopted this oh so generic name, Midland Legacy. And as we've seen over the past couple of months, there's been a return to the non-erasure of American history. Secretary of Defense Pete Heggseth has made a point of bringing back the Reconciliation

Memorial to Arlington National Cemetery. We have seen the great cancellation of, say, 2018 to 2023 start to be unwound. But I don't think we've seen anything quite like this. Well, we've talked about the return of perhaps even some Confederate memorials. While we talked about the return of some comedians who were canceled, we really haven't seen the return of, say, Robert E. Lee. Robert E. Lee was an honored figure across the South all the way into Texas. That's not to say that it was a championship of slavery or a hatred of the North. It's just an acknowledgment of the seminal figure in most of our history that was

Robert E. Lee. And by most accounts, Robert Lee was an incredibly honest. vulnerable human being who, if a memory serves correctly, wasn't somebody who actually even supported slavery, but he was from the South. And he would, as he famously said, never fight against the South. He was an incredible military general. And I do believe if you look up military generals throughout history, considered to be the best on the battlefield and the strategy, Lee is often among the names mentioned among the world's greatest generals. And it was just weird. It was just weird to all of a sudden have to say, and most people couldn't remember to say, Midland Legacy. But by a four to three vote, the Midland ISD School Board has voted in favor of renaming Legacy High School, Midland Lee.

Why is this not just a Texas story? Why is it not just a regional story? Why is this a national story? Because I would imagine this is such a leap on the non-erasure of American history that it will cause an absolute freak out. I would have to think if we had been ranking the things that would be brought back, lower on the rankings would be anything named after Robert E. Lee. But the Midland ISD has just leapt forward in simply healing beyond the national reconciliation on race, the national long look in the mirror. I would imagine you're going to see a big freak out.

I imagine you're going to see a big debate. Maybe because it's high school ranks and even you two are not familiar with Midland Lee. Maybe it will fly under the radar. But I think it's a fascinating conversation. And I think it's appropriate. I think it's right. I don't see what is accomplished by erasing the presence of Robert E. Lee. Welcome back.

Midland Lee. Let's get to a few items today with quick hits. Let's get to it with, story number one. All right, introducing now to take us through the non-quick, semi-quick, quick takes is the most exciting, the most electric man in all of broadcasting. Now, with the microphone, unmuted, wired headphones plugged into his ears, tinfoil pat.

That's right, here we go on quick hits or takes, whatever we want to call it, who cares? how did listen Taylor Swift big deal last last night she premiered her

album cover on her boyfriend's podcast Travis Kelsey and Jason Kelsey's podcast and she had a few things to say

so I think we have a couple clips including how they met yeah so this is one of my favorite clips from the from the episode

I want a day with me I made you a friendship place did you want to date me Just come outside and meet me. Just meet me once. Give me a chance. I was like, this guy isn't crazy,

which is a big if. This is sort of what I've been writing songs about wanting to happen to me since I was a teenager. And I was sitting there at the Ares Tour listening to every single one of those songs. Like, she, I know what she wants me to do. I feel that. That's exactly what she wants me to do. She's like, this is just her wish list of like,

Meet me. Please. Now I'm but hurt. Yeah. That wasn't all. What's your take, what's your take, Will, at first? Well, did you just take the reins from tinfoil bat as he tried to toss to another element? You're like, no, we should get Will's reaction here. Yes, yes. I just, I love the top hat and cane center.

circle of the circus emceeing that you just stepped out into the elephant arena and go give me the hat give me the cane let me conduct this it's a little nudge it was new heights it was new heights Travis Kelsey and Jason Kelsey's podcast Travis Kelsey Taylor Swift's boyfriend um you know I just don't get Taylor Swift I'm not going to be the guy. I'm not going to do the thing of I hate Taylor Swift. She's the worst thing that's happened to culture and society. Because honestly, I don't feel that way. I don't like Taylor Swift's politics. I doubt that they're well thought out. I don't know how that anyone who endorses Kamala Harris could actually be thought out to be thoughtful, to be

well informed, to be somebody that I would turn to, to listen to when it comes to politics. So that part I don't appreciate about Taylor Swift. But I really, what I'm talking about is don't get the cultural phenomenon of Taylor Swift. I recognize how big she is. She is gigantic. She's massive. And somehow this has escaped my bubble. I mean, look, I'm a middle-aged man, not her target demo.

I have two sons. I don't have daughters. Taylor Swift doesn't make her way into my household. I've not seen a documentary. I know that she sings shake it off. I literally can't name another song but I know that I probably have heard what? Half a dozen other songs at least?

I'm sure that I have But I don't get it It's fine It's popular music What I don't get is the cultural phenomenon Of thinking that she is the inheritor And she is in the line of a session Of somebody like Elvis Presley

Turned Michael Jackson Apparently turned Taylor Swift this is the level of stardom that we're talking about i'm not sure there's any stops in between michael jackson and taylor swift the next biggest might have been biance but i don't think biance ever reached the heights of michael jackson but one could certainly argue that taylor swift has taylor swift in the pop culture musical almanac would be put in the same chapter am i wrong she'd be put in the same chapter at this point as elvis and michael jackson yeah Absolutely.

I mean, it doesn't mean she's that talented or the music is good. We're just talking about literally how big she is in pop culture and how big she is as a musical artist. She's the last big pop star, I think, that we'll ever have in that as far as like the way she's able to get such a big non-nitched audience. So like even like Sabrina Carpenter's may have a hard time ever reaching those levels because like Taylor Swift was one. of the last people pre 2008 when we still had stardom at that level and people hate her start and start oh seven yeah oh seven yeah she's only two years younger than me oh seven so like my wife likes her music but and my wife is 36 but she grew up listening to taylor swift since she was you know what 18 years old so like it's span that long that's why it's not weird that a you know mid 30s person is

you know, love Taylor Swift. And I recognize how big she is. I totally get that. I just don't get the why. That's what I don't get. I do know that she drove New Heights, the podcast of Travis Kelsey and Jason Kelty, to record numbers, as would be expected,

as one would expect here. I mean, simply him dating Taylor Swift drove that podcast to incredible heights. Now she appears on it, and here is Taylor Swift, again, on New Heights. So that I became like a person who was running through the halls of my house screaming,

drafted Xavier Worthy and my friends are like what is who body snatched you this is this is what do you mean we drafted Xavier worthy I forget where I was but you were the first person to tell me that I was screeching no I was screeching I couldn't believe it I was freaking out we're talking about like I'm like wait does she she she right I got to look this up I'm like she she get the wrong information here but yeah we trade it up yeah we're talking about cover two cover four, cover zero, man, cover it. We're talking, we're learning. Yeah, that's, Ted was saying, she said she knew nothing about football.

She didn't understand the chains. She thought that Jason and Travis would have played against each other. They're both on offense. So even in the Super Bowl, obviously the Eagles and the Chiefs, they would not be on the field at the same time. She didn't understand that. And now she's saying she's pumped that they drafted Xavier Worthy. A little bit of overlafter there from Jason.

and Travis, like, I mean, I wonder, you know how, like, well, I know why? Famous people are never as funny as they think they are because everyone else gives them the laughs that you don't get if you're a normal person. Do you think, I got it, I got it. I got that, it's good. Broadcasting.

The, do you think that even is happening in that relationship? Like, surely, hopefully not. You hit a level of authenticity of being with someone for a while, you know? Do you have a theory as to why you're getting a little bit of overlafter? I do because the entire audience is Taylor Swift fans. They're not Travis Kelsey or Jason Kelsey fans. So they are like, oh, ha, ha, Taylor, you're so funny

because they want those people to keep watching their show. so if the Swifties love them, they're going to come back. That's a good point. That's a good point. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they'll be sorely disappointed when they tune in next week and they're breaking down. Who's going to be the Brown starting quarterback? Will it be Shadur Sanders or Dylan Gabriel? Is Shadur Sanders overrated? Who will see?

All right, there you go. There's the thing. There's the thing. Taylor Swift. All right, take it away, tinfoil Pat. That's not the only thing. Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson. This is a doozy, Will. Listen to this.

I do believe that Donald Trump is intimidated. I know, I think, no interruptions. So let me just answer that. I do appreciate you begging. So I would just say it like this, that the president has always been intimidated by the intellectual prowess of black men. And so, of course, he would speak in those petite and puerile terms. He's stringing together Is he stringing together

Random words? Yeah. Petit and Pure Ile. Can I say something about the race grievance world? One of the fascinating things about the race grievance world is it constantly allows you to absolve yourself from your individual characteristics. So like, you know what?

Like, let's say that you're dry... I've said this before. You're driving down the road and you're driving like an a hole and you're black and a white dude gives you the bird it's so convenient to be able to say he doesn't like black people instead of no man you are driving like an a hole you know like it it's the ultimate get out of jail free card on your own individual personality characteristics and what brandon johnson is done here is the reverse of it so do you think he's intimidated and brandon johnson is talking about himself then he goes

he goes outside himself he goes i think he's intimidated by the intellectual prowess of black men suggesting in reverse that he is of intellectual prowess because hey you know it's a it's a larger category and i exhibit these categories these characteristics i mean it's such a way to like cloak himself nakedly in a compliment because that's what everybody thinks of when they think of the way the city of chicago is run Whoever's doing that thing must be a genius. Who's ever in charge of Chicago must be of supreme intellectual prowess. Those are kind of a funny words to put together, too.

Intellectual prowess, right? Like, prowess is like, isn't that like a predator type thing? Like, like, when you say the word prowess, what do you think of? Is it like capability? I think of like a cat. I think of like a cat on the savannah. You're talking about prowling, not prowess. Yeah, maybe.

Prowess is like talent or something. Prowess. I think the Cheetah has a lot of prowess. I don't know. The cheetah, I don't think. Proud. Brandon Johnson has. Maybe you got me here two days.

Maybe my intellectual prowess isn't intimidating. But I would argue neither is. it is. Brandon Johnson. Take away, tinfoil Pat. Speaking of another man with prowess, Zoh Ron Mamdani, he is exposed himself

as the elite he truly is. Here, check that this picture. Here he is. With a fan on him. His staffer has a fan pointed at him because he's a man of the people, just like you and me,

you know, just a man of the people. Incredible. The communist man of the people has someone holding up a handheld little tiny fan as he gives a speech to his face. I'm sure the pawn fronds were, I get that he's got away from the pawn fronds. You know, is it hot in Staten Island right now, Dan? Is it pretty hot there in New York? It's like 95 in here. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, and he's in a suit, and I could get it that he could get a little shvety and he needs a little wind on his face. I cannot imagine the scenario where I'd say, hey, Ellie, hold this fan up to my face. I can't imagine it. Maybe I would. I don't know. It's never happened before. I have a feeling I know what I'm going to be doing with the state fair

when I visit you. Yeah, it's going to be hot. Yeah. Yeah, when you come down here for the state fair, it's going to be hot. Bring your handheld fan. All right. And finally,

tinfoil, what do you have? Chuck Schumer? America's favorite Senator Chuck Schumer. Well, he's got caught in a little Biden-esque controversy. Let's play the clip. The Bayleys have guided Chuck Schumer's political life, which is a little weird given. They don't exist. Seriously, he invented them.

Schumer first introduced the world to the Bayleys in his 2007 book, positively American, winning back the middle class majority, one family at a time. In it, he mentions the Baileys, an astonishing 265 times in 264 pages. But he'd apparently been talking about them for years before the book was published. One of his former spokespeople said he's always asking, what would the Baileys think? And to be fair, Schumer acknowledges that some may find this a little weird.

If you ask my staff, I've been talking about, and talking to the Bayleys for 15 years, I have conversations with them. One of my staffers once said I had imaginary friends to the press got me in some trouble. But these people are real and I respect them and I really love them and I care about them. Okay, sure, but they're literally not real, John. So the Baileys, in case people don't know at home, the Baileys are figments of his imagination. And he's been talking to about them for over 30, 40 years. Yeah, since the 1980s. This is so fascinating.

And look, credit to John Oliver. Like, when I told you guys this morning that John Oliver did this, you were like, John Oliver did it? Yeah, he did. And it took some research. They looked up if there's anybody on Long Island. See, now, Chuck Schumer has an entire backstory of the Bayleys. Where they're from, what they do for a living.

He literally, John Oliver laid out what they like to eat, like their favorite meals, like so-and-so likes pizza and Ethel. likes Thai food. It's like crazy and who they voted for in every election and their everyday life struggles. I'm talking to a huge biography. He's built. And people have looked up. Who are the Bailies of Long Island? And they don't exist. These people don't exist. And Chuck Schumer has talked about them consistently like this. Like 80s, 90s, 2000s, on none. As his like guiding light that he turns to for counsel on middle left politics, although he said they voted for Donald Trump, I think three times, or five out of the last six elections between the two of them, meaning

both them voting for in 16, they split in 20, and both of them voted for him in 24. And this is who he turns to. And the left is like, not upset that he has imaginary friends. They're upset that his imaginary friends have voted for Donald Trump. I think it's pretty concerning that you're one of a leading sense. senators in the Democratic Party is living with imaginary friends in his mind that he talks about publicly. It's like a big deal, right?

Reminds me a Fletch. You know the movie Fletch where he says put it on the underhills? It's kind of just like, you know, there's that family. I don't, good for you on Fletch, by the way. That definitely predates a millennial like you. It predates me, yeah. It's a great movie. It's absolutely amazing work.

Not just by John Oliver, but absolutely amazing work of fiction by Senator Chuck Schumer. Let's talk about this, plus the Smithsonian being taken over, perhaps, in its vision of America, by President Donald Trump. We'll talk about that next on Will Kane Country. Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy, host of the Tregaddy podcast. I hope you will join me every. Tuesday and Thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves a little bit better on the other

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Gavin Newsom is literally copying Donald Trump. What do I mean by literally? His tweets are aping the voice of Donald Trump. What does this guy do actually for the state of California? It is Will Kane Country Stream. and live at foxnews.com on the fox news youtube channel on the fox news facebook page hey hit subscribe at apple or on spotify joining us now is the former chief counsel for the house

judiciary committee uh he is an attorney it is julian epstein what is up julian well good to be with you thanks for having me again um been catching your program at four o'clock by the way uh every chance i get and congratulations on the success it's a it's a really good discussion and it's a fair debate i love how open-minded and how you try to engage to the other side. Well, I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

You might be referring to the viral moments of the last couple of days with my back and forth of Texas State Democrat Representative, James Talariko. I am. I am. That kind of... That, that, maybe not that one in particular,

but I'm always open to an honest debate. Yeah, I was really disappointed in the representative. And how he conducted himself afterwards. I agree and I don't think they I don't think they present a good rebuttal to the argument that the Democrats have been doing this kind of gerrymandering for a long time and they've been much more severe and sort of their repression of the Republican vote in blue states I don't I don't get the double standard that the Democrats are arguing and again like many other things that we've talked about it's embarrassing for me as a Democrat to see this kind of naked partisanship and this sort of anti-intellectual explanation and complete double-standard explanation. And the thing about it is, Julian, I don't, you know, we can get sucked into a trap or a narrative cycle of pretending like everything Republicans ever do is good and everything

Democrats ever do is bad. And that's certainly not the case. That's certainly not the truth. And, but the Democrat Party right now is just in such a dire space. You know, I would even expand it beyond just the party because sometimes talking about parties can be a cop-out. I think the thought leaders, the ideological backbone of it is in such a bad place. And really, I think that that is because it really is to find itself as opposition to Donald Trump for 10 years. And that's just not a guiding light.

It can't be. And so you just find yourself, no matter what he's for, you're against. and they've really backed themselves into a corner, for example, in Washington, D.C., about, like, you're all of a sudden against crime fighting or making a city safer? It's just, you're going to have to find something you're for because right now you're simply defined by what you're against.

Yeah. It's North Star is that it's an anti-party right now. It's against everything Trump is for. Its vocabulary is sort of the shrieking aunts, the screeching, the screaming, the calling people racist, and calling people Nazis, even though I think the Democrats are more associated with the Nazi movement than ever, masquerading as a liberation movement in the Mideast.

And it's captive of an intellectual elite on the far left that has a very simple-minded view of America of oppressors and victims. And most people don't agree with that. So, you know, you get into these debates like crime and D.C., which I'm a resident. of D.C., and I can tell you, most residents white and black, I think, welcome greater law enforcement in this area. I mean, it's really bad, and it's been bad since the George Floyd riots and sort of the, you know, this notion that the left has that we should be able to discount crime for criminals. And it's been really bad. And so it leads Democrats into a really bad place

where they are appealing to these sort of out of touch intellectual arguments of the far left but everyday people don't hear that stuff they don't care about that stuff they know crime is bad they want answers to it and Trump is giving them an answer and this is why I think

sort of this this dark place that I think the Democrats have found themselves in is opening the door for Republicans to become the centrist party and I think that's what's happening and it's You know, it's a shame for me as a historical Democrat to see the party going down this way.

But I think the party is just continuing to self-destruct. So I'm just going to share the story with you, Julian, because I think it's just, it's, it's, it adds to what you're talking about. So you said, you know, that Democrats, Democrats have this vision of themselves as seeing the world through oppressor and victim. So after the Talarico thing and it goes viral and the left jumps all over. it. I normally wouldn't talk about something like this, but there's a reason I'm bringing it up. So, you know, one of my buddies, I'm not on Facebook very much, he started sending me these screenshots of people talking about it on Facebook, and he was pissed off my buddy because there was an individual who's from the town that I grew up in, small town, who purported,

and he did, I know who this person is, he's an attorney, knew my dad. And he went on to say, what a disappointment I would be to my dad and that my dad would be ashamed of me. My dad is long past, which is vile and way beyond the pale, and I can say with a heavy level of certainty, not true. But there was a line in his little screeds, again, this is just in the comment section on Facebook, but where he's like, you know, Will's dad was a man of compassion and kindness and that exhibited every day in his daily life, the implication being that I am not that person. Well, this guy doesn't know anything about me as a person.

The point I'm getting at, Julian, is he's defining that by my politics. And what guides the left, and this person is certainly on the left, is this idea that they have a monopoly on compassion and kindness and empathy, and that that is what defines them. And anybody that disagrees with them lacks in those qualities of compassion, kindness, and empathy. And I will say, you know, empathy is not a guiding light on the right. It's not absent, but it's not a guiding light. And maybe you can overindex it, but I think we see two things that have been exposed. One, empathy is actually not supposed to be and should not be your guiding light. it's a virtue until it's a vice and if you always are empathetic you can find yourself into

some very irrational positions and we've seen that on the left the other thing is it's fraudulent like you're not kind and empathetic because you vote democrat you think that becomes the case and that you have this monopoly on it and your own personal lives don't exhibit that in other words your political points of view and your ballot casting don't reflect the quality of your compassion Yeah. I think there's an anti-intellectualism that drives the empathy. And first of all, I'm sorry your dad is no longer with us, and I hope that you can celebrate his memory. But I do think there is this tendency for Democrats to find a way of saying we are morally superior and we are more empathetic. We're compassion. So therefore, we're good people. And for them, the conversation stops at that point. They don't have to. to answer whether what they're doing under the moral cover of empathy is actually having a beneficial effect in society. I mean, we've seen that happen in the crime debate. This is the soft bigotry of low expectations and this sort of, you know, this idea that bringing in more police from the federal level is somehow authoritarian, you know, working people in D.C. don't care about that.

They care about the fact that if you leave your car on the street, it's going to get vandalized. They care that they can't walk down the street alone at night. They care about the marauding gangs that traverse the streets. They care about the lack of social order when you go into CVS. They care about all these things. So, again, it's a question of left elitism being completely out of touch. We see this dynamic in the mid-east debate. You know, a lot of progressives, you know, they call themselves.

liberal because they think being liberal makes them a good person. If you're a good person, you're a liberal. And then October 7th comes along. And the people that they identify with as oppressors, the Palestinians, which I think is completely wrong, the Palestinian leadership has opposed peace deals since 1937 that would give them everything they say they want in terms of a two-state solution. But October 7th comes along and they see the people they're aligned with committing the most barbaric attacks in the world in sort of modern history. And they can't process that. They can't deal with that.

And all of it, you know, because if, if that's true, if they are identifying with a Nazi movement, which I think they are, if they're forced to confront that, then their entire worldview shatters. And, but they're never forced to account for these sort of, what are the results of, of these left-wing, anti-Western, we're going to side with the wretched of the world, we're going to side with the oppressed of the world. They never sort of are forced to confront the practical results, which are anything other than compassionate.

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political leaders on the left and i guess one of the ones more seriously taken he probably doesn't right now exist within the clown universe of the left, like Jasmine Crockett say, but he's not far, which is Gavin Newsom. I want to share with you in the audience some of the stuff that Gavin Newsom has been doing on X. He's talking about redistricting California, and I'm going to read you some tweets. I just want you to see if you can hear what he's getting at here. Here's one, make the maps great again.

Big, beautiful rally today. Thank you for attention to this matter. Another one. final warning Donald Trump Maybe the most important warning in history Stop cheating or California will redraw the maps I guess who will announce it And guess who will announce it this week

Gavin Newsom Many say the state's most loved and handsome governor And a very powerful team Don't make us do it Multiple exclamation points Thank you for your attention to this matter So he's got more He's done at least four times

He's totally aping Donald Trump and a style and rhetoric of his tweets and posts. And this is the, this is the, this is the priority and job and attention of the governor of California. Yeah, you know, it's, it's sort of a really pathetic attempt, in my view, to find your voice. You know, Gavin Newsom, I think most Democrats think this, although they don't say it publicly, feels about as authentic as a used car salesman. and you know he's been struggling to find his voice he goes back and forth on trying to come to the political center by saying men shouldn't play and win in sports he gets brow beaten by the left he sort of shifts back on that and he's struggling to find a voice that can lift his profile up nationally and i think he has this idea that trump is popular because he's such a good performer it's true that trump is a good performer but you can't wrap a bad product in good performance. So, you know, Trump is successful politically, and he's claiming the political center, not just

because he's a good performer, not because of the tweets, because what he's selling. So he's selling common sense centrism on issues like crime that we just spoke about, on immigration, on sort of on, I think on many of the race issues, on all of what he's done globally. And then the performance is an add-on for that. But you look at Newsom, and Newsom's governance in California has been a disaster. Look at the number of people that are leaving. Look at the energy sector where you've got the major refineries that are leaving the state now. The minimum wage deal hasn't worked out so well.

They could never get high-speed rail working. That has been a joke. It's sort of been an embarrassment to the Democrats about how they can't build. The fires in California. I mean, everything is like the Midas touch, right? everything Newsom has touched has sort of turned to disaster. So you can't fix that with, you know, sort of this performative stuff of trying to be a tough guy and talking like Trump. But this is the dilemma for the party.

They think that if they just adopt another voice in the social media milieu or the podcast world, that that'll fix their problem. They think it's a question of language. It's a question of vocabulary. Part of it is that. But part of it is they're selling stuff that people don't like. So this sort of tough guy stuff from Gavin Newsom seems a little bit hollow and a little bit sort of transparently, you know, fake. I think that you said it perfectly well. It is sad.

It's a little bit like a first-year writer at a small town newspaper. He's trying to find his voice. That's the perfect way to put it. He doesn't know who he is because he is so inauthentic. So he tries all these different costumes on. and in the meantime, the costume of competency of running your state completely fails. You know, it does make me wonder, James Carvel's been on my show on numerous occasions, and he has said to me, oh, there's a deep bench of Democrats out there, you know, beyond this.

I mean, the clowns own the party right now. They own the voice. They are the biggest, most prominent individuals. Is there somebody flying under the radar? You know, I actually think some people think it's Talarico. I mean, he didn't cover himself in glory this week with. me, showed himself to be, in my mind, largely fraudulent, but he's still a small-time politician from Round Rock, Texas at the state level. And I wonder if you're a Democrat. Half of me thinks

if you just fly under the radar, if you're just competent, they come 2028, you could be the actual voice of credibility. And I wonder if that's sort of the lane trying to be filled by, say, Rahm Emanuel, the former Chicago mayor. Or is it that 2028's actually too soon? for a guy like Emmanuel, in that the voting base is still going to be so anti-Trump that they're simply going to have reflected back to them, not competency, but somebody who gives them the visceral feeling of hating Trump, in which case they'll adopt one of these clowns. Yeah, I mean, it's a great question, Will.

The party has a lot of problems. Part of it is that it's an ecosystem, and the ecosystem is controlled by high priests They call them the donors, the sort of the elected elites, you know, the Obamas, the Pelosi's, the activist class. And they are all driven in part by the, you know, the social media environment where anger is the vocabulary, anger gives you the reward system. So long as you're angry at the other side contempt, that's what gains you currency. That's what gains you fundraising. That's what gains you notice and attention on social media. So there's a dynamic where anger has taken hold, being the anti-party has taken hold.

And nobody is thinking about building. I mean, you know, you sort of, you know, have this idea coming out from Ezra Klein, his book on abundance. You know, that's part of the problem. It's a fancy way of saying you should deregulate. I think that's, I think that's a fool, not a fool's gold. I agree with it. but I think it's completely insufficient in terms of getting the Democrats back to where they need to be. Where they need to be is how do we build for the future?

You know, how do you, I mean, for example, on tariffs, the Democrats could have said, I don't like what Trump is doing on tariffs because I think he's shooting with a shotgun, but I agree that we need to level the playing field. And here's how I would do it more effectively. And by the way, I'm going to build for the working class as we go into the artificial intelligence. phase of the Industrial Revolution, and here's how we're going to do it. But you don't hear that. All you hear from Democrats is how bad he is.

That's sort of the dopamine bit of being angry. And that's the culture of the modern Democratic Party. There's an anger addiction that is deep within it that blinds them from seeing the need to build things, to build an economy for the working class for the future, to deal with the incomplete. utter failure of the teachers unions and the public school system where at best the third of our students are reading and math proficient there's so many things to fix there are so many things to do but there is an obsession on with the left on being angry and and there's an obsession with the grievance Olympics you know the the system the west is a

versus oppressors and we are going to liberate the oppressed and and we're going to build on grievance and that's what the welfare state is about is to build as big a constituency that's dependent on the welfare state so they'll have to vote Democrat. There's nothing constructive and this is you know what angers I think a lot of a centrist who came up through the Clinton years was you know you go back to the Clinton years and it was 100,000 cops on the street and welfare as we know school uniforms, balance the budget, closed borders, all of these things that really resonated with, I think, 70% of the public, and I think still resonates with 70% of the public. And the party is completely lost sight of that.

And there is an ecosystem on the left that rewards, as I say, simply being the opposition, being disdainful, being contemptuous of the other side, telling the other side that they're racists and they're Nazis, even though I think most of the time the left has a rather impoverished understanding of those issues. And it's a situation that I would love to tell you. I think you asked me about the bench that there's a light at the end of the tunnel. I don't see it because I think I see the Democrats digging in on these things. things.

Yeah. Well, I think a great example of what you're talking about is Donald Trump is currently talking about putting someone over the Smithsonian has a different view of the American story. Many on the left on CNN are suggesting this is absolutely Stalinesque. It's yet another example of an authoritarian takeover. But I would remind everyone the kind of things that have made their way into the American story of the Smithsonian. And this was a famous one from a few years ago, where they put out aspects and

assumptions of whiteness and white culture in the United States. This is a famous infographic they put out, wherein they laid out things that are part of white culture to be overcome. And it's the most racist and insulting thing, if, honestly, if you're black. Like, here's some of the things they have on time. Following rigid time schedules, time viewed as a commodity. They talk about punctuality.

being a symptom of whiteness. How about this? Family structure, the nuclear family, father, mother, two to three children is the ideal social unit. That is whiteness. Rugged individualism, the scientific method,

the Protestant work ethic, justice based on English common law, property rights, competition, trying to win and be number one. These are all symptoms of whiteness, and that was from the Smithsonian, and Julian.

Yeah, I mean, I think there's a word for this, Will, and I would call it a psychosis, meaning it's just completely detached from reality. I mean, this is embarrassing stuff. This is the sort of ideology that is not history, that is not sort of empirical. There's no common sense here. It's just sort of like left-wing Marxist ideology. You know, a lot of these things you talk about. about, you know, the scientific method and punctuality, all these things that have sort of become

deeply part of Western culture. You know, Western civilization in the course of a hundred years and all that it has produced through the free markets has done more to lift billions of people out of abject poverty, has done more to advance humanity in 100 and 150 years than any civilization ever in the history of the world? And I mean, why are we not teaching that? Why are we not teaching how much Western civilization, Western democracy, liberal democracy, sort of all the values of the free market and liberty, how much that has done for humanity compared to any other system that's ever been tried? Why isn't we, don't we have any of that? And again, I think what you've seen in schools, you've seen this in a lot of professional societies, you've seen

this in the therapy class. You've seen this now in sort of the bureaucratic class with the Smithsonian is it has been captured by far left anti-Western sort of neo-Marxist ideologues that are trying to teach an oppressed oppressor ideology, which is very destructive. I mean, Greg Gutfeld had a great riff on this the other day on the five where he talks about. It used to be that the West really believed in the melting pot idea, that we're all the same and we should share the values. Now it has been reduced by the left to this sort of DEI tribal zero-sum ideology that is really, you know, it's sectarian in its nature and it's really sort of destructive to the national spirit, the credo, of us all trying to move forward

together in the same boat in a constructive way where we're building. And so I think he's right to sort of go after the ideology. I mean, of course we want to have history. We want to have the entire history of issues presented. On slavery, of course, we want to talk about how awful and criminal it was to bring three to 400,000 Africans forcibly to the shores of the United States and force them into bondage. But, you know, do we also not want to talk about the Arab slave trade, which started a thousand years earlier, probably in the fifth or sixth century that, you know, that forced probably 17, 18 million Africans into the Arab world where men were castrated. and women were taken as concubines. Do we not want to talk also about the fact that the African kings were played a leading role in rounding up Africans to sell

before the European transatlantic vessels ever arrived there? Do we not want to talk about the fact that the United States and the United Kingdom were the first countries and the history of civilization to stop slavery in 1807, the transatlantic shipment of slavery. Do we not want to talk about the fact that Africans in Northern Africa held one to two million Europeans of slaves in the early 20th century? I mean, there are, if you want to teach sort of anti-Western neo-Marxist ideology, it's one thing.

It should not be on the public time. You should go find a place to do it. I don't think it would take you seriously. If you want to talk about history, great, let's talk about history. I'm all for it. I'm all for talking about the horrors. of slavery, the criminality of slavery, the criminality, the anti-Americanism of segregation. But let's talk about the full story.

You know, since the segregation era, since the Jim Crow era, the United States has probably been the most affirmative action, most inclusive country ever in the history of humanity in terms of trying to uplift different minority groups. Look at what the census data, for example, will, just to put a, fine pin on this point tells us in 2020, there's somewhere between 15 and 20 minority groups in the United States that make more money on average than whites do. And if this is such a systemically oppressive country, if this is such a oppressors versus oppressed society, why do we have so many minority groups that are exceeding whites in terms of their earnings? I mean,

there's such a, there's such a impoverished. When you get into ideology, and this sort of simple-minded anti-Western ideology, you are not teaching history. You are teaching a very limited sliver with an ideological cast masquerading as history. And you were leaving out so much that is so important for people to understand. And really for us to sort of start to come together

and try to rebuild a future together without the sectarian, you know, as Gutfeld said, zero-sum nonsense. Really good stuff, fascinating about that income stat you just gave us as well. Julian Epstein is the former Chief Counsel for the House Judiciary Committee. I always love having you on the show. Thank you so much, Julian. Thanks, Will. Good to be with you. All right, take care.

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That's the place that she inhabits today in pop culture. When we come back, the New York City Navy SEAL Swim is this Saturday. It'll be joined by its founder, the man who runs it, Bill Brown, and more on Wilcane Country. Make sure to check out my podcast. Kennedy saves the world. It is five days a week, every week. Download and listen at Fox Newspodcast.com or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. The New York City Navy SEAL swim, an annual event, every summer, kicks off this Saturday.

Three-mile swim, 300 push-ups, 66. pull-ups, roughly two miles of jogging, carrying an American flag, all to send out a positive patriotic message and bring this country together while honoring those who have given so much to America. It is Wilcane Country streaming live at foxnews.com on the Fox News YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page, Spotify, and Apple. This will be my fourth time swimming the New York City Navy SEAL swim. Third time officially.

But as we're joined now by Bill Brown, Navy SEAL, Patricia Perry, who served with, whose son served with Bill in Iraq, and later died in Operation Extortion 17 in Afghanistan, and James Dald, who his father was an FDNY firefighter, who we lost on 9-11, are all now joining us here right now on Will King Country. Bill, I do think I get to say fourth time Because when people ask me how many times have you done it I say well this will be my third But it will I honestly I did it one other time just with Bill and another guy Like I count that trial swim with you When it was just us in the Hudson

That was a great time I tell you You know Will what you guys What you guys here at Fox are doing You're helping us remember the lives of so many And it's a beautiful thing and just in the room today look at those beautiful Americans

there you have James and Patricia Patricia I served with her son and he was a beautiful American American hero lost on extortion 17 and James his father was a firefighter during 9-11 and now he's a firefighter and you're giving them a chance to share their voices

and I'm grateful and that is something that you know for all the attention that we give that day and in the buildup to, you know, yeah, 100 Navy SEALs, you're swimming under the Statue of Liberty, you're doing push-ups and pull-ups at Ellis Island and Ground Zero. That's probably not as recognized, which you just laid out for a spill. It's also full of guys who are FDNY, who are New Jersey State Police, who, by the way, are other branches of the military as well, who are first responders, and Goldstar fans.

families like Patricia are also all represented during the swim. And it's always humbling Patricia when really the first encounter I get to have is like, honestly, it's at the bar after we're done. And we're over there having beers. And I'm meeting people. I'm like, yes, let me tell you about my son. And it's always awesome to hear those stories, Patricia. Well, thank you very much for having me on.

It's an honor to be here, and especially with Bill who organizes this every year. Brian was an amazing, amazing guy, and his loss has been hard, but I'm here because Brian would do anything for his fellow service personnel, whether they were the seals or they were EMTs, firefighters, police. These men and women, it gives so much to us, and all of the families want to honor them. So I am not swimming, I'm watching, but there are a group of us who are going to be following them and following you in the water on sailboats to see how you do. And we're here because we want to support you. We want to support what you do and what you give back to the community. Well, thank you for that. First of all, don't follow along too closely.

I don't want your boat to get too far behind. I want you to be able to stay up with the lead pack. Bill, one of my buddies, Bill knows this. I am bringing a team with me of this year of guys. Both of my brothers are going to do it. My college water polo teammate at Pepperdine, who is now an assistant coach on the U.S. men's Olympic team is coming,

and he's bringing his son, who is going to be a freshman at USC water polo player. And so these guys are going to be able to swim. And my buddy said, have you been training? And I said, Yeah, I've been training. He said, do you try to win? I'm like, no, I don't try to win.

But Bill, you know, I got a little pride. I don't want to be in the back. I'll get up there near the top of the pack. You know what? For your audience, if they don't know it, in the water, you are a stud, 100%. You're a stud. What do you mean in the water?

Not on the pull-up bar? Not on the barge? No comment. You do so much for us, no comment. we also have with this James Doudel whose father was a New York firefighter he was lost 9-11 and you're going to be swimming James I see here

so you're in the water this year is this your first time or have you done it before James? No I did it last year with a group of FDY firemen who you know once you do it once you do it once there's really no reason not to keep it on the calendar and make sure we

we do it every year now well I can think of a few reasons James that's awesome sentiment you gave but I can think of a few reasons not to do it every year every year come like uh April or may I'm like okay I got to start swimming and then I don't start until July by the way Bill I think I'm I've got a dozen swims under my belt so James how was it last year how did you feel um is are you a swimmer James did you grow up a swimmer do you tell me about your training last year and then how it felt on the day of the swim? The training last year started probably right around, we got in a pool around January and just tried to keep consistent.

And once the weather warmed up, we jumped in, we lived down in the Rockaways out in Queens and jumped into Bay over there and just got to put the time in. And yeah, it all worked out last year, looking forward to it again this year. I just think once you get it in your head that you're doing it, you just got to keep kicking in Poland and you'll get to the other side. James, did you grow up a swimmer? I grew up in the water. Not necessarily, no college athlete here, but

you know, high school, high school swimming. Does that count? Oh, you did high school swimming? Okay, that's big, though. I think that's big. So I had a group of guys who wanted to do it. I texted Bill at one point. I've got a group of guys that wanted to do it,

and several of them were not swimmers growing up. And Bill put a lot of responsibility on me. like if you give them the green light, they're good to go. And I had to boot a couple of guys because, you know, if you didn't grow up a swimmer, then you better really start training. Like, you better, because it's just an efficiency to it. And I was telling these guys, Bill, like, this isn't a marathon. You don't get to just step over to the side and put your hands on your knees. Like, this is life for death, man. Like, you got to, you got to be able to survive the swim. And so, yeah, I got a couple of guys that got booted. Last year hurt for me, Bill.

Like, I trained nothing last year, if I'm being honest with you now. But I swam my whole life, so I was cocky. And it hurt. It hurt last year. So this year I was committed to making sure I trained a little more. You know what? The best part of this event, Will, is the beautiful Americans that brings together. Just like in that room right there.

I mean, that's what this is really about. It's about honoring the lives of beautiful Americans, sending a positive patriotic message. And, Will, you're a champion. at this event, we are grateful, and you're going to get a big, giant, sword of appreciation at the Empty Sky Memorial. That is incredible. It's embarrassing. I mean, you're going to be handing them out to men who fought for America, and here I am on TV,

and that gets me a sword. That's embarrassing, but I'm honored. I'm honored. Patricia, you're here today. We'll be swimming. We'll be doing pull-ups. We'll be doing push-ups. all to honor, not just men like your son, but your son specifically.

Would you tell us just a little more? This is part of the entire message of the entire day. And I like to joke and talk about it, and we will that day about how hard it is and whether or not we run into any dead rats in the water and that kind of thing. But there is a bigger message as well, and it's getting to know the story of people like your son, Brian. Can you tell us a little bit about Brian? Sure. Brian, Brian Bill, Chief, was 31 years old when he was killed. He went to know at university. He graduated with a degree in electrical engineering and promptly went out and enlisted in the Navy for the sole purpose of becoming a Navy SEAL, which he did. He had great, great respect and love for his fellow SEALs. And his first Bud's roommate was Mark Lee, who was the first seal killed in Iraq. So we've been through a few

sad times, but for the most part, we thought Brian was invincible. We never thought anything would ever happen to him. I'm the eldest of seven, so I have six siblings, and of course, then they have all their kids, and everybody would clamor to be around the table when Brian would come home. That was very special. Brian wanted to go on and pursue a career as an astronaut. He had gotten his pilot's license. He went down to visit Chris Cassidy when he was heading up the astronaut program to say, what do I do? How do I make this transition? He was going to go back to school, get his master's in engineering, and pursue that goal, which, of course, he didn't get to. But I can't even express how much he respected his teammates, how much he

love them and how he thought they were not only skilled, talented, lethal, but kind and humble. And he talked about that with my husband and I in March of 2011 when he was home for a short visit. And he said, I just hope I'm equal to the rest of them. And I think all of them are like that. You know, Brian, one of the big events in Brian's life, was when Adam Brown was killed in 2010. Under heavy fire, Brian ran out into the line of fire to pull Adam out. And we just found out in June that Brian performed CPR for 45 minutes until they got to the helicopter for extraction and then passed out. But he kept Adam alive for all that time and he didn't actually die until he got to the hospital.

we did not there's so much about Brian that we don't hear we live far away we're in Connecticut we're not in the military community Brian was not married he didn't have a girlfriend he didn't have children

that's when the parents can get into the community so we're thrilled to do anything we can to support all of the men and the Navy SEAL Foundation because they've been good to us and they take care of us

that's incredible i really appreciate you telling us all that about your son and then and in james uh your dad um also one of the people that will be honoring and swimming in honor of you obviously will but it's a collective um as well that's while we're out there um tell us a little bit about your dad yeah my uh my father was uh kevin was a one of the 343 firemen that were killed on september 11th He was 46 years old. He had 21 years in the fire department. He was assigned to Rescue 4, which is the special operations out in Queens. He was the lieutenant on duty.

And I was 17. I turned 17 on September 10th. And when 9-11 first happened, I didn't realize it was going to affect me the way it did. And then when, you know, when dad didn't come home, my brother, who, I have an older brother, Patrick. who's 16 months older than me. My mother sat us down, and she's been a rock for us ever since. My dad was a hardworking guy. He worked two jobs to put his boys through school,

and he loved the fire department, and he loved his family. So to do an event like this now in honor of him, my brother, Pat, joined, he went into West Point. He was the first class into West Point after 9-11, and he went out to surf in Iraq and Afghanistan and he's home now. He raises his kids very close to me out in Queens

and to do an event like this which is honoring my father while honoring the service of, you know, making sure the people who took time away from their families and dedicated, you know, their lives to really, for what happened on September 11th, it's an honor to be part of it. And just we just want to say thank you, people like Patricia.

Bill, we just want our family to remember, let them know that we remember their sacrifices. I'll be an honor to swim alongside you again, James. So, Bill, I joke about how many times I've done it. I think this is my third official year, like I said, my buddy, your buddy, the Secretary of Defense, did it for a couple of years before me. So, like, how many years have we been doing this now? How long have you been doing the New York City Navy SEAL swim? And I know, because you and I talk about this, like the way it's grown and the amount of money that it's ended up raising for the Navy SEAL Foundation.

Tell us a little bit about that. You know, the Secretary of Defense, I'm having an initial planning call with all the support assets. And lo and behold, the Secretary of Defense is on. And he starts asking me questions. And it's the first year. And I had the tides dialed in, the route I was planning. defense because he's Pete at this point. It makes it sound too official with the

sect-deaf on the call. That's what it would be like today. Then it was Pete with the tattoos and the mullet. One of the most of powerful people in our entire planet actually. So he gets on the call. I thought I was going to have to sell it to like NYPD, the Coast Guard.

All of a sudden Pete's asking me questions about it. And he's figuring out pretty fast that I was, you know, I was serious about it. and all of a sudden, you know, I find out that he's rogering up, like he's going to, and you know what he did, he championed this event. This was a minor swim with 33 seals. Pete put this in a stratosphere, and then you're following them. And the beauty of it is, it kind of reminds me of like Iwo Jima when those Marines are raising that flag up there.

Because I think the genius of Pete and you and Fox have championed this event is, we're sending a positive, patriotic message to our country. Reminded of all these beautiful Americans that lost their lives, that put it on the line for our country, and also reminding everybody how beautiful our country is, to have love and pride in it. And I think that's really the genius behind Pete, just rogering up. And to be honest with you, not the best swimmer, but full of courage to jump in there with us. Do you call that courage or do you call that stupidity? Because if I remember correctly, there was a jet ski involved that first year.

There was some swimming. There was some towing. When you think about the mission, man, did he crush that mission? Like, you think about the message that we sent. And for him to take the risk and maybe not looking so hot on TV, but yet the outcome, I mean, man, that was investment. really paid off. Yeah. And he did later, by the way.

Every other one after that. After that, he understood what he had signed up for, and he trained in his backyard pool, and he swam it. He swam at those other years. And by the way, a lot of people ask me this. Like, I don't know if Bill did. I'm sure Bill did. I did ask the SEC DEF to do this again this year.

From what I was told, Bill, you'd have to launch submarines into the bay, into the Hudson, You'd have to dredge it. You'd have to make sure, you know, the Iranians are nowhere within thousands of mile radius. So no sec-death in the swim this year. But you know what? He's still got our back. You want to know why? Will?

Because I got word that there's going to be a video message from the Secretary of Defense at the end at the World Trade Center. And if I know Pete, it's not going to be about him. It's going to be a war fighter. He's going to be given love. to Patricia and James and the other beautiful Americans that are going to be there. Yep.

Yeah. Oh, that is awesome. I didn't know that. That'll be great. We'll be there, by the way, with our cameras. You will definitely see it here on Will Kane Country. You will definitely see it on the Will Kane show on the Fox News channel.

I'm not quite sure yet, but there's a good chance, as has always been the case. You'll see it on Fox and Friends as well. So it will be all over the Fox News channel. I'm sure I'll do social media that day. So go find me on Instagram I think last year I did a couple lives during it No pressure James

If you want to sidle up next to me You know we'll get the camera going For the live But I'm excited Bill I'm excited to do it once again It's kind of funny I'm a little more scared Than I have been in the past

And I don't know why that is You should get more confident I'm getting a little more scared afterwards the more times I do it but I feel, I do feel like James, like I'll probably keep it on the calendar, man. It's too awesome of an experience not to do for you as an individual and us as a country. And I love that you do it, Bill. Thank you. Thank you. You're a champion for us. All right. So, Bill Brown, Navy SEAL, New York City Navy SEAL swim.

James Dowdell and Patricia Perry. Thank you all so much for being with us here today. Look forward to seeing you guys on Saturday. Thank you. Thank you for having us. All right. There we go. Like I said, see Will Kane on Instagram, maybe some on X. Go find me on social media.

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