Will Cain Country - Border Czar Sounds The Alarm On Potential Terror Attacks, Plus Everything You Need To Know About The Diddy & Karen Read Trials (ft. Lexie Rigden)
Episode Date: June 3, 2025Story #1: Last night, Border Czar Tom Homan sounded the alarm on a major potential terror attack within the United States due to the failed policies of the Biden Administration. As violence rises in ...America from the Left, are we forgetting about the threat that China could impose on the U.S. internally? Story #2: 'Catch Me Up': Will is joined by Attorney Lexie Rigden to catch him and the Willitia up on what's going on with the trials of Diddy and Karen Read. If you can't keep track of the fire hose of news coming out of these trials, Lexie helps break it all down. Story #3: As most major corporations shift on their virtue signaling for Pride month, the NFL doubles down, much to the dismay of former star player Dez Bryant. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing WillCainShow@fox.com Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on X: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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One at the terror attack in Boulder, Colorado.
Many are focused on the threat to the homeland, the threat here at home in the United States.
But are we vulnerable in a place we're not yet considering?
Are we vulnerable when it comes to a drone attack?
it's not just spitballing we just saw it happen in russia what's the groundwork for happening
right here in the united states two catch me up on ditty and karen read three it's pride month
but nobody's changing their logos nobody except for one industry sports
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I have, excuse me, I'm not emotional, something just caught me there, I have, I believe, one badass in my family, one.
You know, I don't want to take anything away from my sons and I would love to say that I'm, you know, some tough guy.
but for all the different people in my household you know teenage sons you know pretty good at soccer
I know I know soccer you know fairly athletic some with very competitive streaks and instincts
you know I really only have one member of my household who is a certified do not mess with this person
okay better said do not mess with this thing
Now, as many of you know, I got a new dog a few months ago.
Saint, he's a big, scary-looking Doberman.
And if you come to my front door, he is going to scare the bejesus out of you.
First of all, he's got his ears cropped.
He's black and tan.
He looks like Batman when he's silhouetted.
He's 75 pounds.
He is going to threaten you with murder, okay?
Whether not you're the mailman or an air-conditional repair man.
He's going to threaten you with murder.
Now, you know, I've only had him for whatever it is, five months.
So I don't know how real or empty his threats are.
But I know that he is not the alpha in this family.
On Sunday night, I took my two dogs for a walk.
I came home and, you know, they love to do this thing where they sprint into the backyard.
They absolutely terrorized my backyard.
and my female Doberman, Violet, just does the perimeter.
At 100 miles an hour, she just does the perimeter,
looking for squirrels or whatever it is she's going to be on the hunt for.
And she is a huntress.
I mean, this is how she spends her leisure time.
Scanning, always on the look.
When we go to the park, she ever stops running.
She's running everywhere she goes, smelling, looking for something to hunt.
Saint is a goofball who's like thinking he's chasing her down
or he's going to play ball.
Well, on this day, you know, they do have some good discipline, and I can make, they understand heel, and I don't use a leash when I walk. And they're good. They do have electric collars. So if, you know, they're not good, then they get a reminder. Usually it's just a beep or a buzz. And they weren't quite listening in the way that I wanted to. And one of the things that they weren't listening about is they don't sit and stay consistently. But they aren't about a 90% proposition when I open the gate to let them into the backyard. They're just so excited they want to sprint.
but I make them sit, stay, they stare, eye contact until I say loose and then they're
off and running. But they'd been a little iffy lately. So on this day, I made them sit
and stay extra long, like extra long, well beyond the patience and expectation. But I think
what that did is it allowed things in the backyard to settle down, just settle down a little
bit, calm in the backyard. Well, then I said loose and they took.
hook off and violet did her thing she sprints around the perimeter as fast as she can and saints
you know bobbing along beside her and then it stopped and i'm like but i heard just
kind of banging and rustling and i'm like he's back there tearing up my bushes because he has
no spatial awareness and he jumps on top of my bushes and breaks all the branches and it sounded
like that but then all the barking whatever excitement stopped like what's going on so i you know
I stomp back there, you're tearing up my bushes, and I get back there.
He is about 10 yards away, staring in disbelief.
And Violet is standing there with blood running all down her mouth
and a 75% dead rat laying at her feet.
The rat is, you know, cartoonishly doing its last, best, uh, trying to,
and she is, she's gone in for the kill.
and she has put saint and me into absolute all she is a huntress and she is an absolute badass i think
now on her record she has one squirrel one rat and unfortunately i believe a couple of bunnies uh babies
i believe because the the grown ones are way too fast and i don't even know that's no that's what i know
she's gotten and you know i had to dispose of the rat and so forth but then i'm sitting there and
she's got these rat bites on both sides of her snout where she you know clearly put up a fight
before and that's why she's bleeding now she's got rat puncture wounds not bad but enough to be
bleeding on both sides of her snout and she does not care i mean she is not phased she feels no
pain i mean she is a certified killer and she doesn't look it he's 75 pounds she's 50
pounds he looks like a linebacker maybe a linebacker she looks like a cornerback but she is all muscle
and built like a Ferrari i mean just everything is in place and she's putting that to use
by the way i cleaned up the rat bites with uh like hydrogen peroxide or wound wash and a little
bit of bassetracin or something like that i did look up like should you worry about and the dallas
side of wills like should i take her to the vet and then the montana lived on a ranch
side of will is like, are you kidding me?
This happens all the time. She's going to be fine.
So I went with the Montana side of will.
She's going to be fine with a little bit of home remedy treatment.
We'll find out.
But the long and short of the lesson is, do what you will, raise them how you want.
They come out this way, and I in my house have one certified, badass violent.
Let's get to it all now with story number one.
After the terror attack in Boulder, Colorado, many are pointing to not what many of the mainstream
media are dismissing it as a lone threat terror incident, lone wolf, but rather part
of an increasing trend, a trend tied to illegal immigration, a trend tied to ideological
extremism, and a trend that unfortunately suggests we could be vulnerable to much more.
Here is Tom Homan on Fox News.
I agree that if we don't find these people soon that we are at risk of a 9-11 or worse?
It's coming.
I mean, why did 2 million illegal aliens paid more to get away?
They could have paid half of what they paid.
The scares the hell out of me.
I've been doing this for 40 years.
It should have scared the hell out of every American what the Biden administration did.
This two million known Godaways scares the hell out of me.
So I'm convinced something's coming unless we can find him.
He's convinced something is coming.
Now, this stat hit my radar today, and I was absolutely appalled.
The man in Boulder, Colorado, who committed this act, is an illegal immigrant who overstayed his visa.
He was led into the Biden administration in 2022.
He applied for asylum.
He was given a two-year extension and a work permit.
It expired in March of 2025.
So he has overstayed his visa.
He is an illegal immigrant.
Here are, according to CRS, the visa overstay illegal immigrants in, this is the fiscal year 2022.
So who knows what it is today.
But I found these stats fascinating.
176,000 visa overstays, illegal immigrants from Venezuela, making up 43% of the Venezuelan migrants.
of the Venezuelan migrants.
Mexico, 131,000, that's 3.6% of the total.
But China, 31,819 visa overstays, 7.2% of the migration from China are visa overstays illegal immigrants.
That is a fascinating stat to consider.
We often talk about the illegal immigration over the southern border.
some of this does come over the southern border
and they apply for asylum status or
for visas
but we don't pay attention enough
to whose visa has expired
and whether or not they have been deported
and all of this is set against the
backdrop of rising ideological
extremism
on the left
in America
attention that is boiling that you can
feel and is now
more than anecdotally supported
that we're not just looking
at lone wolf attacks.
Fascinatingly, I heard Scott Jenning, who does bang up work on CNN, and Tara Palm Mary,
formerly of Politico, having a debate about violence and extremism, when she tries to make the
case, hey, it's both sides.
Watch.
I don't think it is only the left.
I mean, you have literally seen people on both sides committing violence.
I think that the problem is not the left.
I think it is the extremes on both sides of the party.
And that is what's happening.
Like those, they're the loudest voices, whether the leaders want them or not.
And they're the ones who are, tend to be the most violent.
I don't think that's fair to say it's only the left.
But why is it happening?
Why do, why do late night comedians go on TV and encourage or coddle or give
lip service to this, this vandalism of what went on with Tesla dealerships and so on?
Why are there so many prominent people who were like, well, I totally get why.
When someone died on January, like, why?
I don't listen, I don't.
There you go, and that debate goes on for four minutes.
Jennings smartly brings up what's happened around Tesla,
the vandalism, which is on the edge of violence
when it comes to firebombing these Teslas.
What's happening on American College campuses?
The rhetoric, quite honestly, at this point,
coming from people like Minnesota Governor Tim Walts,
who's talking about bullying back Donald Trump.
You know, and you say to me, Will, what does that have to do?
What happened in Boulder, Colorado?
Well, the Mid-Ease Forum wrote a fascinating article about the increasing red-green alliance.
The red-green alliance is an alliance, ideological, friend of my friend thing,
or enemy of my enemy is my friend, between the far left and Islamists ideologically in the West.
And it doesn't make any sense on its surface because many of you.
the progressive values touted by the left or the type that are literally killed in Islamist countries.
I mean, gays are thrown off the top of buildings in many of these Islamist countries.
And yet here in America, the far left, will scream, free Palestine.
How does that make sense?
Well, the Middle East foreign rights that the alliance is one not of commonality other than the enemy of my enemy.
Both hate Western civilization.
The left hates Western civilization because it's founded upon capitalism.
and constitutional democracies.
They are much more wedded to the idea of socialism and globalism.
Islamists hate the West because most of those nations in the West were founded on Christian foundations
and represent the values which they literally outlaw.
And that's how you see this ideological sympathico handholding and overlap,
a red-green alliance.
and it creates a very scary situation in the United States
that feels at this moment like it has the potential
to spiral out of control
and maybe end up as something awful
as was suggested on Hannity by Tom Homan.
But the part of our vulnerabilities,
when it comes to attacks on the domestic homeland
that no one else is talking about right now
is highlighted in what happened over the weekend in Russia.
Ukraine launched what many are calling the Pearl Harbor of the Russia-Ukrainian War
in attacking five different airbases across Russia.
And these air bases geographically are scattered all across the country,
far north in the St. Petersburg region, far to the east,
thousands and thousands and 11 time zones away from Ukraine.
How do they do this?
They attacked nuclear-capable bombers at air bases sitting on tarmacs,
at five different locations across Russia.
They did it via drone attack.
They smuggled drones into Russia in shipping cargo containers that had false roofs that could be opened
and then remotely operated launching these drones, weaponized drones, that executed this surprise attack in Russia.
Simultaneously sophisticated and simple, you think about what you would need to execute this type of sophisticated attack.
You need access.
to land, the ability to ship, and in remote access to control.
What is the vulnerability highlighted here for us home in America?
Let's go back to that visa overstay issue.
You know, just what first caught my attention on that is, for anyone that's grown up in a
place like Texas or California or Arizona, you have had a front row seat to illegal immigration
over the past 20 or 30 years.
You've seen it.
You've interacted with it.
You've seen the changing nature of your state.
What I mean by that is whether or not, you know, it's someone who does manual labor in some way
or someone who is on your kids' sports team.
30 years ago, 20 years ago, largely Mexican nationals.
Over time, you began to interact with and get to know, quite honestly, people from Central America, El Salvador, Nicaragua.
anecdotally and increasingly, I can tell you someone who lives in Texas and has for almost
my entire life, you're starting to hear it and see about Venezuelans more and more.
And that brings me back to this 176,000 visa overstays from Venezuela.
So that's what first got my attention in looking at this.
Then going down below Mexico and Colombia, but coming in forth, visa overstays from China,
almost 32,000 visa overstays.
Well, that's concerning when you pair it with, for example, this chart, which I want to share
with you, which shows Chinese farmland owned in the United States, U.S. farmland owned by the
Chinese here in America, and its proximity to U.S. military bases.
You can see, it's on your screen if you're watching on YouTube or Facebook, what is that?
You know, dozens and dozens, over 50 approaching 100 different parcels of farmland scattered across America, California, Arizona, Nevada, Texas, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, across the Great Plains, big pieces of farmland and located close to American military bases like Fort Cavazos, formerly Fort Hood.
in Texas, Camp Bullis, Camp Pendleton in California,
Yuma Proving Grounds in Arizona, Whitman Air Force Base,
Grand Forks Air Force Base in North Dakota.
All across America, huge swaths of farmland owned by the Chinese,
situated, approximated, not far from U.S. military installations.
What we just saw in Russia, the attack by Ukraine,
combined with what's happening when it comes to illegal illegal immigration here in America,
visa overstays, and Chinese farmland owned here,
it would take an ostrich with his head in the sand
to not see the potential vulnerabilities that exist
in a nation that is blessed, blessed with two gigantic oceans on either side of it,
the Atlantic and the Pacific, great protective barriers
that do not exist for most nations across this world.
But what that attack in eastern Russia shows is in modern warfare,
how you can be vulnerable and where you need to be increasingly vigilant
for vulnerabilities here at home in America.
I have not kept up with Diddy.
I have not kept up with Karen Reed.
Some of the things in the news cycle that just sort of get put on the back burner,
but I want to get caught up.
I want to get caught up on these two trials dominating.
the news.
Attorney Lexi Rigden
joins us
next on the
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I don't know if you're on.
you're like me, but there are certain stories in the news cycle that I just can't keep up
with. There are some, it's just too much. And whatever hits my radar and I invest in,
you know, I invest in some that I don't. But that doesn't mean I'm not interested. And I don't
want to know. So we've done this once before. We're interested in this recurring segment called
Catch Me Up. Catch Me Up on some segments and some news stories that I am not familiar. We have
attorney Lexie Rigden with us here today. She helped us out on Justin Baldoni and Blake
lively a few months back. And we wanted to bring her back to catch me up on these two big trials.
How are you, Lexi? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. I think I'd love to start, if you
wouldn't mind, with Diddy. Diddy is a story where the details hit me like, I don't know,
like I'm sitting at a restaurant and the chef just keeps bringing out sort of half of a part of the
meal, not even the entree at a time. Like I get half of the side.
Then I get half of another side.
And I just kind of pick up bits and details here and there.
So I'd love to start at the top, quite honestly, very rudimentary.
Can we start with what are the charges against Diddy?
Well, Diddy is charged with Rico, racketeering influenced organization act.
I think that's what it stands for.
And that was created decades ago, essentially to ensnare mobsters who didn't get their hands dirty in things,
but we're kind of calling the shots.
He's also charged with human trafficking
and transporting prostitutes across state lines.
So he's in a world of trouble.
I mean, these charges carry, I mean,
he could be in prison the rest of his life if he's convicted.
Okay, now let's go to some of the facts.
What is he accused of doing that led to these charges?
Well, he's accused of human trafficking,
and so we all heard about the freakoffs.
We've heard about the lube.
It's very unseemly.
baby oil, but he's essentially accused of hiring prostitutes and having certain victims,
including Cassie Ventura, who was his longtime ex-girlfriend, participate in these
freak-offs by force, and then also transporting prostitutes over state lines, and that
his bad boy entertainment group is essentially basically like a criminal enterprise, and
there were crimes committed under the umbrella of that enterprise, arson, assault, that kind of
thing. So the charge, there are a lot of charges. And I think that they're actually, you know,
when I was looking into this, the Karen Reed case is, I think, much more straightforward in terms
of the legality. I think that the jury instructions are going to have to be very clear on this,
because I don't think it's as cut as, it's not as cut and dried as I'm making it. There are a lot of
factual issues associated with these charges that the state's going to have to prove.
Okay. So here's what kind of washes over you if you're in the situation that,
that I've been in when it comes to this.
So Diddy has these freak out parties, right?
They're kind of like orgies, right?
Freak off, okay.
And they're kind of like orgies.
Like, is everybody over a lot of celebrities included, right?
And it's sort of a free-for-all.
Anybody can do anything.
But tell me the, so, and then within these parties,
which, by the way, that would not be illegal.
It would be immoral, and we could all pass judges.
on it, but it wouldn't be illegal. But the accusation is that he hired prostitutes,
he transported them across state lines, and then he forced other people into prostitution,
essentially. Is that right? That is a very good summary, yeah, that he hired prostitutes and
took them across state lines, which I think has very clearly been established. What hasn't necessarily
been established yet, and obviously I'm not a juror, I'm not in the courtroom, but the defense is
going to argue that, for example, Cassie, who participated in these freakoffs, that she wasn't
forced to be there. She did so of her own free will. She enjoyed them. She sometimes honchoed
getting the people involved in them, and that at the heart of it, it was consensual. And what the
prosecution is arguing is, look no farther than that video from the Intercontinental, where he
is beating her. He never denied that that was him. In fact, he posted an apology video when it
came out saying, you know, I haven't been the best person. Yeah, no kidding. And they're using
that as exhibit A as to this was her trying to escape a freak off. And he literally dragged
her back into the hotel room. So that even if she had consented at some point, her consent
ended at that point. And it became in effect trafficking. Okay. So I've seen that video and I think
a lot of people probably listening have that video of him beating her up in, uh, it's a hotel
elevator bank area, right?
What I didn't know, it's like what you see that, when you see that is like domestic violence, right?
What I didn't know is that's occurring as a freak off is happening somewhere in the hotel.
So there had, and so therefore, okay, and so therefore it's evidence of him compelling her, forcing her to stay and participate.
Yes, right. And then there were certain acts that were testified to. I mean, I won't get too graphic for your audience, but they're disgusting.
and, you know, she testified that she didn't want to be involved in them, but essentially, you know, didn't feel like she had a choice.
He had control over her life.
He had videos of her in the freakoffs.
And she didn't want her career to be affected.
She didn't want her personal life to be affected.
So it's a very kind of like, the allegations are very wide ranging.
But it's kind of a situation where you just, you don't, I mean, you don't know what the defense is going to do in terms of their case.
but they're definitely going to hit hard on the fact that especially in their closing because
they already cross-examine Cassie that she was a willing participant in this and that she liked
it and that while you don't have to like Sean Combs it doesn't mean that what he did wasn't
it doesn't mean that what he did was criminal okay what about the angle to this that there's
all these celebrities that participated in it um is there so I have at least I don't know if
I've read, but I've been led to believe that there was also sort of an extortion mechanism to
this. Is that true? Like, we've heard about other young celebrities or up-and-coming rappers
that accusations of Diddy abusing them or putting them in situations that are compromising.
Is that part of this as well? That's not part of the trial. So that they have a few victims that
are testifying, one of whom was Cassie, one of whom has actually absconded. But the victims that are
testifying other than Cassie, I don't think are actually famous people. Now,
Kid Cuddy or Cuddy, whatever, shows my age. I don't really know who that is. I know he's a
rapper. He testified that his car was firebombed by Diddy. So he was a celebrity. But in terms
of celebrities who we think of of their social circle, who they would hang out with these A-listers,
these megastars, they're not actually victims in the alleged human trafficking. I think that the
parties were one thing, but the freakoffs, uh, especially.
especially what's been testified to were in a much smaller group of people.
It was.
Okay, but aren't any of those other celebrities accused of participating in the freakoffs?
And then therefore they would be potentially...
I mean, they're not charged in this.
They're not co-defendants.
Okay.
And then the kid Cuddy thing about who is a rapper, I'm familiar with him.
And the accusation that Diddy firebombed his car, all that, is that part of the RICO
charges that bad boy entertainment and everybody around him was doing more than just human trafficking.
They were also participating in all other types of criminal enterprises?
Exactly. Yeah. So he's not charged with arson, for example, but that's part of one of the RICO
predicates that his businesses, that he was conspiring with people to commit certain crimes,
including arson, because Kid Cuddy was dating Cassie at the time or they were having some type
of a relationship. So it was motivated by jealousy.
okay um i said this yesterday and it seems like in learning more this is not the the evidence and
and the the charges are much more substantiated here i i'm a little legally and media language wise
skeptical at this point of the use of terms like human trafficking and and it really goes back to
when the government charged for a moment um new england patriots owner robert craft with human
trafficking because he went to a massage parlor in Florida and it was a massage parlor that I guess they
had been investigating and was you know doing more than massages maybe happy endings maybe even more
I don't I don't know and craft was on the list of a bunch of people who had gone to this massage
parlor right so it isn't an accusation that he ran the massage parlor or anything like that but that
he was a patron and then they went after him for human trafficking and that wasn't in my estimation
anyone's either conversational, commonly held,
or even legally definition of human trafficking.
But when it comes to Diddy,
he's not just a patron of these situations.
He is coordinating it, is the accusation.
Yeah, he's coordinating it
and that people don't want to be participating in it
because it's obviously not a crime to have kinky sexual proclivities.
I mean, I think that there's nobody on the jury
and no reasonable person learning about this
who could say that Diddy is a good person.
He's disgusting.
And the people around him were frankly disgusting, too.
There were a lot of people who witnessed the abuse that he was meeting out and said nothing.
I mean, many, many people said nothing.
But, you know, I too, as I know I'm a lawyer, but also as just a lay person, when you hear
human trafficking, you think of somebody being kidnapped off of the street and forced to
participate in these certain acts, which is why I think that the jury is going to have to
be very well instructed on what the definition actually.
is and that consent has an end point. And just because you consented at one point doesn't mean
you still consent. And I agree with you that it's a little bit fuzzy. It's also a little bit
fuzzy at this point how bad boy entertainment or he was the head of any type of criminal
enterprise as opposed to just an aggrieved boyfriend who was jealous. So there are weeks more to go
for the state's case or the federal government's case. So that will probably come out. But right now,
it's hazy for me other than the fact that I think Diddy is disgusting.
And as a side note to that, it was unbelievable to me that his family, including his mother
and his children, were in the courtroom when Cassie was testifying about the most dirty and
depraved of their sexual acts. I mean, I can't even imagine. I don't, if I were Diddy,
I'd say, you guys sit this one out for the day. You can show your support another way on a different
day when the testimony isn't so disgusting.
But so you're you're honing in on the thing that in part, I think it's part of why I don't like dive into these stories as much is there's a hype around some of these stories in the media that runs either with the charges or even beyond the charges.
And like what seems clear is what you're willing to say very clearly here today with us, Lexi, is like, ditty is gross and immoral and engage in all this deviant behavior.
On top of that, there seems to be strong evidence that he's also guilty of domestic violence,
perhaps some acts of arson or vandalism, and this kind of thuggish behavior that in and of themselves are criminal,
but at one level and one type of charge.
The question is, when does it cross over into this much more heightened place that we have the conversation
that involves human trafficking, that involves conspiracy in a way,
you know, systematic, whatever it may be, abuse.
or prostitution
and you said
like the blackmail
and extortion is not part of this
but it has been part
of the conversation around Didi
like were these freakoffs
designed to put people
in compromising situations
because there were stories about him
having tons of videotape
as well
so the question is when you cross over
from one level
of immorality and criminality
into this other place
where we have a conversation
about sex trafficking
yeah
Enrico
and it's just
you know I think like I said
I think the jury
might have a hard time parsing this out. And I think this is an example. People always think
that celebrities are treated extra specially and in many ways they are. But this might be a situation
where his celebrity actually hurt him. Because I don't know if Joe Blow Public, who did these
exact same things, would be facing these type of charges. Now, I say that, you know, I don't feel
bad for Diddy. I mean, he's in this situation. He's clearly a bad person. He's a domestic
abuser. He's a power hungry guy. You know, so I don't feel badly for him. But I
do wonder if there is an element to overcharging in this. And everyone should also remember
that arson, blackmail assault aside, he's not charged with those things. Those are just
predicate acts kind of underneath the umbrella of RICO and also to show the jury that
for example, the freakoffs weren't always consensual. More of the Will Kane show right after
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all right let's move to to karen read um what is karen read which again this is something that's on
foxnews.com and a lot of the well first of all why do you think there's a lot of criminal
trials out there at any given time and it's always a mystery to me why some become the thing that
gets a ton of attention and maybe that's another reason i'm reluctant like what makes this case
different. So let me ask you that. What makes this case different that's gotten everybody's
attention? Well, I will say first of all, just to contrast it with Diddy, we kind of know what
Diddy did, regardless of the things that he might weakly deny. The question in that case is whether
it's illegal. The question in Karen Reed's case, I think, is much more sexy for people to tune into,
which is, did she do it or not? And I think that that in part is, as I sit here, I really don't know
what happened in that case. And we'll get into obviously the nuts and bolts of it. But I think there's
an element of a who done it. She's an attractive woman, even the, even the police officers that
were helping prosecute her, had text messages read about she's a babe and everything like that.
She has a high, like a high powered legal team. One of her attorneys is relatively famous. He represented
Kevin Spacey. So I think it's kind of, and the person that died was also a police officer.
So I really think it's kind of like a cocktail of reasons that this case.
case has really taken over the public, also social media, because it was essentially like an
influencer or a podcaster that kind of brought it to light. But I think the most interesting
aspect of it is, as I watch it unfold, I have, I have no idea what happened. When I, sometimes
when I sit there and I think Karen had to have done this, then I hear something else and I think
maybe it was a conspiracy, maybe it was a cover up. I, I don't think we should underestimate
me, the detail you gave, like, she's an attractive woman, and it's a woman, and I think those
things do get attention in a way, which is pretty interesting in those. I mean, I did a story on
the Will Kane Show on the Fox News Channel a few weeks about a case out of South Carolina
where, you know, did the cop murder the guy he pulled over, or did the guy that pulled over
start shooting first, and the family believes that, you know, he was murdered. But it's got a lot of
these details, but it doesn't have a female character in the, in quite honestly, these things
become like stories plays like a female character
an attractive female character
that gains attention um okay
she is charged with what first degree murder
she is charged with second degree murder
and manslaughter and leaving the scene of an accident
and basically the state is saying that
she and her ex or her boyfriend uh john o'keef
who was a police officer went to a house party
there was a lot of drinking going on and they alleged that she
hit him with her car and she has a cracked tail light
and everything like that so she
hits him with the car. He's left in the snow. He eventually succumbs to hypothermia slashes
injuries. And then the defense's theory is basically the opposite. I mean, she said in an HBO
documentary, which is interesting because her words are being played in the trial, although she's
probably not going to testify. She said she dropped him off at the party. He went in. She left,
and that was the end of it. And there's a lot of debate over whether he ever even went into the
house, because she says he did. The people in the house say that he didn't.
And there is an element to it of the conspiracy cover-up element is that where he went that night to the house party, it was a bunch of law enforcement people.
And so what the defense is saying is that she didn't hit him with the car.
And there was evidence planted of a taillight found in the snow.
That evidence was planted and it was tampered with.
And that it was actually the people in the house that he got in a fight with somebody.
Their dog attacked him.
And then they dumped him out in the snow.
which honestly sounds like an unbelievable and an unreal theory that you wouldn't necessarily propose.
But when you start looking at the evidence, there were things that you hear about, first of all,
the lead investigator who's not testifying in this trial, because this is a retrial.
The first one was a hung jury.
His text messages were very bad about her.
They painted him in a very bad light.
He ultimately got in trouble for them.
The second that this happened, he was texting essentially like, she's going down.
she's a whack job that kind of thing so you have a law enforcement element um and then you have people
in the house that have associations with law enforcement and then you had a person in the house that
she was having a flirtation with a couple of people in the house have subsequently destroyed their
phones so they couldn't extract them the dog that allegedly bit him was sent to live at a farm um
the people in the house were texting each other like you know who's you know who's gonna say what to the
police. So while I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I generally don't believe in stuff like that,
I will say that for a jury, if I were sitting on a jury, I don't know, especially considering his
injuries are a little bit odd for someone who is allegedly hit by a car. They had a dog bite
expert testify. His arm is covered in what looks like bites and scratches, which is just not consistent
with what you would think would happen with a car accident. Of course, the state has experts saying,
No, that is consistent. No two-art car accidents are the same. And he could have been hurt in this manner. But there's enough there that if I were on the jury, I would certainly not feel comfortable convicting her of murder. And I'm not sure I would feel comfortable convicting her of manslaughter either, which is kind of what happened in the first trial. There was a hung jury. They simply couldn't agree. So the case is really interesting and it has a lot of layers.
So, okay, the prosecution's argument is that he never went to the part.
party she hit him out there where was he found was it close to the party or was it far away it was
right it was right near the house it was basically in the front yard but there was so much snow
that initially allegedly nobody saw him at first but yes that he he was found in front of this
house in the snow in front of the house wow so the argument is that somewhere on the way from
the prosecution to the party for whatever reason maybe they get in a fight whatever it may be
he gets out and then she hits him with the car and leaves him there
They had been fighting
there are messages
that they'd be fighting
and they'd all been drinking
and that's the
I'm not a teetotaler
but I'm not a big drinker
and so many of these cases
ends up where there's a problem
because there's too much drinking going on
that is such a common thread
not to sound like a preachy
or like some
self-righteous person
but a lot of these cases
have that element
okay and then the prosecution
prosecution argues she goes home
after this and her car
is found in her driveway
with a broken taillight and some, is that, is that the extent of the evidence on the car,
a broken tail light?
I mean, I know that when you hit somebody, often these cases, now it sounds like it was really cold,
so maybe he was bundled up, but there's human tissue.
There's a lot of things that would be left behind on the car.
And that's a good point.
There was a hair in that area of the car, and while, you know, every time there was a really
great HBO documentary about this case.
And every time I would hear a new fact,
boy, that's bad for Karen Reed.
And then the defense would explain it away, and it would make me go,
hmm, it would give me the reasonable doubts.
And their position is, number one, these two were a couple.
So his DNA would have, you know, been on the car potentially anyhow.
But the other factor is they said, how would a hair on the car have survived a 60-mile-an-hour
car ride to whatever Sally Portick got parked in for the police to search it?
They're kind of going with a theory that the tail light, the hair,
all of this was planted to shore up their case against Karen Reid so that their friends who were
associated with law enforcement in the house wouldn't get in trouble.
Okay.
And so the defense argues she dropped him off at the party.
He went in.
Right to that the prosecution says nobody at the party says they saw him ever at the party.
The defense argues, tell me if I'm getting this right.
The defense argues, yeah, but they're all buddies.
They're all in law enforcement together.
Something happened at the party.
she was flirting with one of the guys so there's a potential for a conflict there and that the cops or law enforcement friends murder him um i guess leave him out front and then plant the evidence to make it look like she did it is that the defense's argument sounds very unbelievable when you say yeah essentially that there was a fight and i think that the defense attorney in the documentary even said you know we don't think that they meant to murder him but like there was some type of fight or altercation in there
The dog attacks him because he had, I think, puncture wounds and puncture marks in his shirt also.
The wounds, the injuries are very strange in light of being hit by a car.
I would think a dog bite would be easy to analyze, by the way.
I would think that would be not consistent with getting hit by a car.
Well, and you can easily Google them because they're public.
The autopsy pictures of the arm, they do look like dog bites, and they had a dog bite expert.
But then, of course, the counter to that is, you know, no, it was glass.
was cut by the shark. I mean, you just don't really know. And that's, that's the reasonable doubt
that's creeping up, I think, in people's minds. But yeah, there was an altercation. The dog attacked
him. And then they leave him out in the snow so that it, I guess it looks like maybe he died of hypothermia.
Maybe he hit his head. Maybe he was drunk. You know, that that's what happens. And it's interesting
to know that some of the people in the house, like I said, don't have their phones anymore.
The dog was given away. So the dog can't be examined. They're not going to be able to do a forensic
examination on the dog's mouth. So it's a real who done it. And I mean, we're never going to
know the truth regardless of how the verdict comes out. The point of the dog, the point of the dog
proves whether or not he was in the house, right? That's what that, the whole point of the dog is to
prove when not he actually went into the house at this part. If he was hit by a car, why would he have
this type of, why would he have these type of injuries? And really significantly, and I would be
beating this to death in the closing argument, is that when the state's medical examiner or
testified as to the manner of death, which is basically, was it a homicide, was it an accident,
was it undetermined? She said it was undetermined. I mean, she said that in the first trial.
She said it in the second trial. And if your own state's expert is saying, I don't know if this
was a homicide or not. To me, I mean, even if I don't necessarily believe currently, if you're
being true to your oath as a juror and the standards that you have to abide by, I mean, you might
have to quit her. Even if you think she might have done. So is it a possibility?
Is it a possibility that he simply wasn't murdered?
Like, let's say he went into the party.
He got in a fight.
This dog thing happened.
Everybody's like, get out of here.
His name's John, right?
Get out of here.
And he's drunk.
I don't know what his blood alcohol was.
If they tested that, I'm sure they did.
And like those guys in Kansas City who took drugs, you know, the Kansas City Chiefs fans,
and then couldn't get back in the house and froze to death outside.
Like, is that not a potential cause of death or scenario?
it's a possibility but he also has a lot of injuries i think he had blunt force trauma to his head
so i i don't i don't think that that they could go with a theory of he just he you know he got
bitten in the arm and then froze to death because his injuries were bad enough that it it had to
have been something else right okay so the cause of death is he has blunt force trauma to the head
and others but but she can't convince herself the the corner that it's definitely homicide based
on that. I mean, that is absolutely huge. I mean, in my heart of hearts, especially given
what Karen said in the documentaries, which I don't know if her defense team is kicking themselves
for letting her do it or if they thought it humanized her. In some ways, I did kind of think
it humanized her in a way. And then other things she said, I'm like, why would you say that?
She's saying in the documentary, you know, I did say to myself, could I have hit him? Could I have
clipped him? Could I have hit him in the knee and not realized it? And then he fell. I mean,
I don't think that she, I really don't believe that she got so angry at him she decided to murder him or back her car into him.
But was she drunk enough?
Because they were driving, I mean, I think she was driving drunk.
She had had a lot to drink.
Could she have just hit him carelessly and didn't realize it?
Absolutely.
But I don't really think anybody in that scenario set out to murder him, regardless of the theory.
Was it the back of her car instead of the front?
yes the back but one of the bad pieces of evidence for her is that they of course with our cars nowadays
they're like moving computers they can actually look and see whether someone accelerated that kind
of thing and so one of the things the prosecution is showing is that at a certain time around the
time they would have been at that party she accelerated at a certain speed and went backwards
which wouldn't you know maybe not make sense in the context of where she was but maybe she was just in a
hurry to get out of there because she was pissed that he went into the house and never came out
and she was in the car. So this evidence can really be spun either way, which is the difficulty,
which is why I don't envy those people on the jury. Well, and the other thing about any
conspiracy, which the defense's counter story is a conspiracy, a cover up, planted evidence,
is can everybody involve stay quiet? So if something happened inside the house, how many people
are we talking about who are with each other and staying on the same page and locks
step in staying quiet and maintaining the same story how many people and that's a point that's
been made is that you know what conspiracy is there that someone doesn't ultimately crack especially
with all of this media speculation and and attention um you know nobody has come forward and said
okay uncle we were part of it it wasn't her you know give me the best deal you can and all round
and everybody else that that hasn't happened everybody but of course again because there's
always a counter in this case. They're saying, what's the blue wall? It's the blue wall. This is what
they do. They protect their own. So, gosh, it's one of those things that just kills me because
regardless of what the jury decides, we're never going to know the truth because there's just,
there is just so many points and counterpoints to everything that's presented. And part of that
is also good lawy. She's got some really good lawyers. Last thing, Lexi, I have a lot of friends who
attorneys and and some that do criminal work.
And, you know, I went to law school.
And I have a mind that and I have an ideological predisposition to understanding the
concept of reasonable doubt, meaning I understand the power of the state, right?
And the power of the state is overwhelming against an individual defendant who gets his own
lawyer and so forth, but between the police department, sheriff's department feds, whatever,
the law enforcement mechanisms, and then the prosecutor, there's a ton of resources available
to the prosecution. And if you can't make your case, you can't make your case, and you've got
all that and you still can't make your case to 12 jurors, you know, I'm someone that believes
in reasonable doubt and understands that what that means abstractly. Like you didn't prove your
case, you didn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt despite all the resources that you
have. But what I've learned about human nature and psychology is most people do not, I don't
know, formalize that abstraction of reasonable doubt. They don't make decisions that way.
That's not how we are as humans. And the power of an alternate story is actually really
influential in the human brain. So like simply poking holes in the prosecution's case
doesn't do it in the same way as here's another story for you to latch on to.
for you to attach your brain to.
And this story that Karen Reid's defense is putting together sounds to me, not legally,
but just in the realm of psychology and human nature, powerful to a potential jury,
that they have another story to go, well, I'm not sure that the story the prosecution has given
us is the story.
I think that is 100% correct.
It's way different to say, you guys didn't dot every eye and cross every T and you had a shoddy
investigator, but to actually say, not only was this not handled well, but these are the people
that were involved. And this is why they were involved. And there was a romantic element. There was
a rivalry. There was a dog. I mean, they really told a compelling story that even as a reasonably
intelligent person, which I think I am, and I'm like, God, I don't really believe this story.
It seems a little fanatical or fanciful is the word. But I think if I were on that jury, it might be
enough to say, you know what, I got to go to bed with my conscience clear. They told me
beyond a reasonable doubt. I am not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt. There's way too much
else out here. There's way too much noise out here, noise masking the signal really, for me to
comfortably convict this person. And so my prediction would be another hung jury or an acquittal,
or maybe something, you know, not murder. I'm not sure that they could convict her of leaving the
scene of an accident and not convictor of manslaughter. I don't know the rules in Massachusetts,
but, you know, I don't think the prosecution is going to get the type of conviction they want
here. Well, I think I feel like I know something about Diddy and Canary Trial now. So
yes. Thank you, Lexi Riggs. At first, I'm always saturated with true crime because I, I consume
so much of it. And I'm like, you know, I'm more interested in Coburg or whatever. But I started
getting into this case and I'm like you know what I I get why people are hooked it is very
very interesting so I would I'd suggest you you keep following it we got to do coburger
at some point in the future that trial is this summer right love that case love it yeah yeah
that's a great one yeah I feel like I'm great one but it's good it's very interesting
I feel like I'm caught up on Diddy and Karen Reid Lexie Rigdon thank you so much
Thank you for having me.
All right. Check out Lexi, the lawyer.
I always appreciate having her here on the show.
Okay, it's Pride Month.
And normally about this time, every company in the country, really across the world,
is changing their logos to rainbows and trans flags.
But weirdly, that doesn't seem to be happening this year except for one industry, sports.
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Take a look, if you will, at some of the logos on social media handles for the world's biggest companies.
We have these for you over three separate screens, and we can take a look at the regular corporate logos right now.
This includes EA Sports, BMW, Bethesda Game Studios, multiple accounts, multiple different wings,
multiple different company versions of these corporate logos,
none of them with the Pride logo attached to theirs now.
None of them in rainbow.
None of them showing what they have done over the past five to ten years.
Spotify, Lenovo, more and more, e-sports, Overwatch, e-sports.
Regular company logos, even though the calendar has turned.
to June.
Well, Disney, even Disney's.
Ubisoft Mobile, Netflix, none of them.
This is what they are this June.
Now, if you looked at these same corporate logos over the past five to six more years,
they would all be rainbow version starting on June 1st.
Today is what?
June 3rd?
No yet change in the corporate logos.
Now, we need to point out that doesn't mean these companies aren't celebrating Pride Month.
many of them like Disney still have scheduled events for Pride Month,
but it's definitely a change from what we've seen in the past.
Definitely a shift in the culture where they don't feel the need, the pressure,
or they find it disadvantageous to now immediately and for 30 days
change their logos into rainbows and trans flags and pride.
Now, that is seemingly a vibe shift for almost every corporation in America.
But there is one this holding out.
Not that they've changed their logo, but they put this ad out early this June.
Here is the NFL.
Watch this.
All right, for those you're listening on Spotify, radio, or Apple.
It says football is gay.
Football is queer.
Football is trans.
Football is freedom.
Football is bisexual.
And then it says, support the Trevor Project.
It shows the NFL logo in its rainbow glory.
Now, the first line, and it has, I don't know, how many different adjectives, let's call it,
25 different adjectives.
Not all of them seemingly saying something about someone's sexuality,
but maybe a good half of them doing so.
The first one is football is gay.
To that, Des Bryant, you know,
famed Dallas Cowboy Wide Receiver, went to X,
and he posted the following.
He said, football is gay, football is queer,
football is transgender.
These are wild statements to make.
Excuse my silliness.
I'm going to proudly tell my boys,
football is none of these things. I have nothing against gays, but this is far from right.
Des Bryant saying something, you can't imagine a football player saying, gosh, what do you think?
Two, three years ago, but he's saying something that is true. And it puts us in this position
every June. He goes on to say, I have nothing against, you know, gay people, bisexual, trans, whatever it may be.
But why does everything else have to be what you are, what you proudly proclaim to be?
There's no football is straight ads, right?
So why does there need to be an ad to say football is gay?
Which, I mean, that's worthy of a follow-up question, don't you think?
Like, what do you mean?
How is football gay?
Des Bryant bravely, I think, asking questions saying, that's not what I would tell my sons about what it is.
is a game. Football is competition. Football is life lessons. Football is teamwork. Football is
resilience. Football is hard work. To my knowledge, I don't think football has a sexuality
because I don't think football has sex. I don't think football is attracted. I didn't think it was
to anyone. I thought football was a game. And I'm not sure why the NFL feels the need.
to say it's all these other things other than what I've known for quite some time.
The major driving animus when it comes to sports is cowardice.
It just is.
For an industry that values bravery and competition and boldness in its effort,
ultimately, publicly, the people that run sports leagues are driven by cowardice.
And cowardice is always at the tail end.
If there is a culture shift, if other corporations have already noticed it,
and you don't have to or see no upside or don't see what it has to do with your company mission
to celebrate Pride Month in the way that has been demanded over the past six to seven years.
Then why still do we see it in sports?
It also reveals what other companies were doing for the past five to ten years.
They were just exhibiting cowardice.
They were following whatever the culture demanded when the culture demands it.
And now the culture has moved on.
They no longer do it.
Maybe you could say that sports is brave because they're going to keep doing whatever it is they believe in, despite the vibe shift,
despite the fact the rest of corporate America has moved on.
However, the real test of that will be, do you think the NFL will be doing this?
If no other corporations go back to doing this, will the NFL be doing this in two to three years?
I think you and I both know the answer to that.
They'll just be late, revealing, like every other corporation, they're driven by cowardice, but an enhanced tail end of cowardice.
when it comes to sports.
So that's what's happening this Pride Month.
All right, let's leave it there today.
Our boy, two days, Dan is out sick.
We wish him the best of luck and getting better.
We heard it in his voice yesterday.
Maybe.
We'll see.
We'll be back tomorrow.
But for now, that's going to do it for us today here on the Will Cane Show.
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