Will Cain Country - Brandon Gill Just Exposed the Left's Biggest Lies (ft. Vince August & Coach Bruce Pearl)

Episode Date: July 23, 2026

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And switched at birth. 35 years later, what would you do? He found out you were raised by the wrong family. Comedian Vince August and basketball coach. Bruce Pearl here today on Wilcane Country. This is Wilcane Country streaming live at the Willcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page. Always here, just hit follow at Spotify or on Apple.

Wait to you hear the story of the two men switched at birth and how they're trying to get it right with a hospital in North Dakota. Wait till you hear from Congressman Brandon Gill, who is absolutely the rock star, not just of the United States House of Representatives, but quite honestly, quite possibly in the United States government. We're hanging out today by a man who has graced us with his presence and showing up on time. It's not par for the course for comedian Vince August, but today he did show up.

Super early. Not 15 minutes late. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. He's been here for like a good hour. I slept here last night. I found a life-size poster of Aisha Hosni. rolled up with it on a couch out in the hall and slept here.

I'm going to be on time. That sounds like, sounds like an HR violation. I don't get paid, Will. Don't forget. I don't get paid. What are you going to do to me? What are you going to do? Stock for me a paycheck?

Yeah, I think that's actually how it works. Yes, I think it's called a civil judgment. By the way, all of the topics who just mentioned, just for everyone listening, there's a good chance we're going to getting to none of them. So just in case that happens. They know. They listen to Will King Country. They're very well aware. Possibly Will gets all that. Speaking of, I don't even want to start there. I want to start right here. So yesterday we had Casey Smith hanging out on the show. And just like Vince described, the conversation went anywhere, everywhere, and off the road. And a lot of people have commented specifically on the debate of what is middle aged. Hey, Vince, how old are you? I'm going to be 57 next month. Wow. I am the same. What do you think you...

What do you think you are, Vince? Are you middle-aged? What do you... Are you elderly? I'm old. What do you think you are? I'm not elderly. Jesus, elderly?

Why don't we flip on the cremation machine now, according to Will Kane? Yeah, go ahead. Heat it up, get it ready. Yeah. Warm up the machine. No, I'm done... I think my mom... My mom told me one time she heard a local newscast.

And where I grew up, grow up, there's a... There's two TV stations. I think if there's 150 TV markets in the country, it's like 149. It's like a really, you know what I'm saying? It's a starter market. Smaller towns or smaller metro areas than where I grew up don't get a TV station. So I'm from the biggest small town in terms of getting a TV station, the smallest, you know, whatever in the country. The point is like a lot of college kids get their job.

I mean, I'm talking fresh college kids. And she was talking the reporter about something, a car wreck, and she described the driver as elderly. My mom was super offended, super offended. And she called the TV station, and she said, I want to pass a message to the reporter. I'm just very offended that you, you know, describe this person as elderly. And the person on the phone was like, well, I'm that reporter. So like she's answering the phones, doing the reporting. And here's my mom.

I was like, Mom, do you realize how many people do that kind of stuff, want to do that kind of stuff, go to Twitter? Don't do that, that poor girl. It's literally one of those towns we've seen in all those black and white TV shows where the sheriff is also the fire chief, the mayor, the town clerk, everything in that one office is there. It's a little bigger than that. Little bigger than that. But people had some comments on middle age. So John in five, in five R says middle aged, I consider to be when you're in your first. 50s. That was kind of a common

consensus among everybody else here yesterday. Where Scott Smith says if you poop your pants, you've transitioned to old age. Or your baby. Well, yeah. What happens if it's just been a wild night? Beginning of life or end of life?

We were talking about that Adam Carolla bit the other day, rich guy, poor guy, you know, the overlap. My buddy and I were talking about this morning. The best one, and I didn't say it on here, the best one, rich guy, poor guy. knows the price of copper. Yeah.

That's my favorite one. Let's see. Betty Wheaton, and I want to give Betty this shout out, right? Because she's on YouTube. She's watching us on YouTube and in the comments. She says, I'm 87 and still feel middle-aged. Good for you, Betty. 87, streaming on YouTube, Will Kane Country.

Yeah, I love to see it. But there's what you are and what you're. you feel like in what you do in your age. So you could, like, I'm 57 years old. I put myself in an older category, but at the same time, I'm not living like someone who's old. I'm still out there. I'm, you know, I'm doing a marathon again in January.

You know, I work out. I love going on, you know, I'm a thrill ride guy. You know, I got my skydiving ticket. Hopefully I'm going to take advantage of in a full. So there's, you know, there's being old and living to that. age and then there was just like look it's a number i know what i am i know my body doesn't feel the same as it did 10 years ago nevertheless 20 years ago but you know hey it is it's it's a number just vincent i are like a freakie friday situation where we like switch places like he's actually

living like a 39 year old and i'm lifting like a 57 year old yeah yeah yeah that's a good point yeah that is a good point like those whoop bands and aura rings that tell you you know biologically what's your real age? Yeah. What's your real age, Patrick? Oh, man. That's about your biological age. I would say 64. Joe Biden. Yeah. Like, I hate it when we made fun of Joe Biden because I'm like, I kind of work like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He can't find the door out of a room. You want a bomber says, and this is a good test, if you're not getting carted by the 20-year-old waitress, you're middle-aged. Ouch. That's pretty good. Yeah.

Pretty good, though. I've been carded in years. Okay. You have to leave the house to get carded. Dude, I go to the liquor store and I go to Taco Bell. Go to the liquor store and Taco Bell. Just a picture of health. And you wonder why your biological age is 64.

I don't think I ever got carded. I'm Italian. I was bold by the time I was 13 with a full beard. You got to me? That's not an Italian. I bet you Italians under index on baldness, don't you think? They have studies on this. No.

They have studies on this. I'll go. I've got... I'm going over. Yeah, I'll go over. Really? Yeah. Big time.

Big time. Oh, for some reason, my image of the Italian dude is... No. Well, that's a fact. Yeah. My image of the Italian dude is the full head of black hair. Yeah, at 20. Like, I...

14 years old. Yeah, at 20, the hair line starts at your chest and goes over. But then, yeah. Then look at every... Caesar. Look at every statue in Rome of every Caesar. Every one of them is bald. Aren't you Northern Italian? No, Sicilian.

Oh, you're so, whoa, I didn't know we were talking to the mafia. Take it easy, well. Be careful. So, because I was going to say, those well, those Caesars and all those dudes, are they all bald? Who knows back then? Were they northern Italian? Were they southern Italian? They were probably more

Rome, northern area. Yeah. Yeah. Do you feel like real quick, and then I'm going to get this train back on the tracks. Never going to happen. The train's off the track, right? We're already done. Italians, do you think they gray a lot compared to others? I don't think so.

No, we either keep our hair and go gray or go bald like me. That's just not my image. Not my image of Italian. Because you watch an Italian movie. Exactly. Not his image. He's from West Texas. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. All the Italians you're running in. too and Lubbock. Yeah. At your Friday, oh, but a big. Yeah. At his Friday night, lights games, all the Italians in the stands. As well as Anglo-Saxon area

I've ever seen in my life. Every rodeo. Yeah. Georgio is at the rodeo today. I look more Italian than Vince, right? Who looks more Italian? If you got tan, you could pass for Italian, for sure. If you got really, really tan. You think? Oh, yeah. I see it. Talk to me in a week and a half when I get back from vacation.

We'll see. That would be the first top of back does we'll look Italian. Gather some pictures. Where do you go on vacation? Open up the chest hair up a little bit. Where do you go? Do you go away? I go away. I go away. I go away, Vince.

Out of the U.S. Let's leave it at that. Out of the U.S. No. Oh, okay. Not out of U.S. All right. Oklahoma.

All right. Let's do this. Let's roll through a couple of these. Patrick's actually collected a lot of them. He collected more than I asked for. Four clips of the rock star of the United States government. Brandon Gill, just crushing it.

And Vince is a lawyer, Vince is a judge. I went to law school. I think there's no other way to describe this then. Cross-examination. This is cross-examination. Let's start with his cross-examination of the president of the American Bar Association, which is the professional body that licenses lawyers. Go ahead.

Here is the president of the ABA. According to the ABA's website, quote, all of us have implicit biases. Would you agree with that statement? The ABA believes that diversity, equity, and inclusion improves the practice. Would you agree with the statement that, quote, all of us have implicit biases from the ABA's website? The ABA believes that diversity in all of its values is important. Is that a yes or no question? Do you believe that all of us have implicit biases as your website says? The ABA looks to remove barriers and we examine. That's not my question, ma'am. do you believe that all of us have implicit biases?

I've expressed what the ADA is doing. That is the ABA's position as expressed by their website. Against which groups do you have implicit biases? It's such a, and that's the money question at the end. Because he has the document, he knows the ideology, and if you're saying that everyone has implicit biases, and then you've got her there, and you make her say, what are your implicit biases?

the way she's black. And I don't know what answer she can come up with there in that moment. She doesn't. She dodges. But that's the difference between a well-prepared lawyer versus a congressperson who has all of their questions written for them and then oftentimes a reporter that I've got to get these questions out and they ask a question and a person does their little speech. And then you move on to the next question. What Brandon Gill does is there is I'm not I'm not letting up on this. You're going to answer me. And if you're not going to answer me,

I'm going to expose you for being the fraud that you are. And he knows the answer already. Yeah, exactly. Ahead of time. He knows which every good lawyer does. By the way, which every good lawyer does in cross-examination. That's one of the rules you learn. Don't ask a question you don't know the answer to in cross-examination.

Right. So here's a great example. Okay, I'm going to bounce around here. This is him questioning the, whatever, what is her title? She's in charge of the Smithsonian Museum. Yeah. And this is about objectivity and white supremacy. Now watch the way he sets this up.

I don't think she sees this coming, by the way. I don't think she sees what he's doing. This isn't a trick. This isn't underhanded. This is perfect. Watch. Is objectivity one of the goals of history? We strive to be objective and nonpartisan and not based on any idea.

So it's one of the goals. That seems a little bit concerning. It certainly does. to me because as part of this white supremacy document that your organization has promoted, objectivity is a core in defining aspect of white supremacy culture. Do you think that it's the goal of the Smithsonian Institution to promote white supremacy culture? Sir, do you mind sharing with me which document? White supremacy culture right here. This is part of the mass action toolkit that your organization

is promoted for several years now under your leadership. Are you promoting a white supremacy culture at the Smithsonian? Am I promoting a white? Is this a difficult question? Oh, by the way, what he's referencing, and I think we have another clip or two will play, so I don't want to like over-explain this, but you guys, everybody remember the document?

I think everybody should if they don't. The document put out by the, the Smithsonian, I believe, would it have been in 2020 or 2021 when they described characteristics of white supremacy and white? I don't remember that. Whiteness? No. Oh, you don't, Dan?

No. Oh, my God. It's one of the most grotesque things ever put out by anything affiliated with the United States government, much less anybody else. You can look it up while we're talking about. It was put out specifically by the, what's it called, the African American Museum of the Smithsonian? Is that the name of that branch of the Smithsonian? man. Sounds right.

It says characteristics of whiteness, Dan, and it will say stuff in there like punctuality, objectivity, a focus on science, reason. It is so, by the way, if you're black

and you see this, I don't know how you could be more offended. That's kind of racist, no? It's making the argument in the opposite, that it's racist to be considered punctuality part of civilization.

But getting to her and her responses, it also goes to show you when someone goes to one of these hearings and they're completely disingenuous and they have their talking points in front of them. They're not even listening to the question. They're just there to recite their answers and whatever they are. And then when they get a simple softball question like that, are you supporting and promoting white supremacy? The obvious answer is no,

but because they're so locked into their speech and their talking points and what's in front of their binder. They're not even... But she's trapped, Vince. Trapped in what? So she knows now she's trapped. Oh, she knows. So when he says, do you believe objectivity is one of the goals of history, she acquiesces.

Oh, yeah. His brain in that moment is got her. Right. Done. You're done. Because obviously objectivity is one of the goals of history, right? To objectively understand reality as it happened in the past. Should be.

Yeah. And so she acquiesces clearly. Yeah. What she doesn't realize, and by the way, it's when she was in charge. It's not like something that predates her, that she allowed this document to come out that said objectivity is white supremacy. This is insane. So you're seeing it now, Dan? Put it up on the screen if you've got an image.

There's a great image of it. Put it up on the screen. I have it through AI as explaining what they, I couldn't find the actual thing. Oh, you can get an image that they put out, like a brochure. And it's incredible. It's insane. But she doesn't know yet, Vince. Right.

She doesn't know she's trapped. And then when he says that about white supremacy and says it's in your mass action toolkit, she's now the, her hamster wheel is turning. I don't know, I don't know what to do. I'm thinking about this. Because her document, you'll see what she does. Right. Her document paints herself into a corner.

100%. Now she knows that. Yeah. And so what does she do? Well, I don't know, Patrick, you have a follow-up clip on this one. She'll reject the document, which is factually inaccurate. She'll say, you know, I don't know what you're talking about. It's not ours.

And he's like, no, it is. I've got it right here. The next one's about politeness. You don't remember if it was a follow-up. But, yeah, it was in the same clip, but I think we cut two different pieces of it, and I'm not sure which parts we got. Okay, play the other one. Because he talks about politeness, yes.

Is it important to be polite? Excuse me, sir. Is it important to be polite? Yes, sir. It's also interesting because the same mass action toolkit that your organization has been promoting references, politeness as a defining characteristic of white supremacy culture. Ma'am, are you a white supremacist? No, sir.

You're not. Can you help me square why your organization says that being politely? is part of being a white supremacist? I'm not exactly familiar with that passage of the mass action toolkit, which is not one that we developed. I don't, pardon me? I said, I just read you the passage from it. And then your question was, sir? Are you a white supremacist?

He's really polite while he does this, by the way. Which is the best way to be as an attorney. The worst thing you can be is combative because that's going to get you nowhere. When you bring somebody in and start a deposition, start an examination, listen, I've been a plaintiff's attorney, I've been a defense attorney, I've sat as a judge for six years, when you bring someone in and lower their defenses by immediately making the deposition or whatever it is, the examination cordial, that person relaxes, and that's when you get them in that gotcha moment, and that's when, again, you could see physically their world shattering of, oh, no.

And, you know, that's what you want for a jury or a judge. You want to have that, oh, crap expression on their face. Is this the infographic, Will, that you're talking about? It is. You found it. Yeah. Aspects and assumptions of whiteness and white culture in the United States. I think it's three pages, but just put this one up. Here's just some for the audience.

Rugged individualism. The individual is the primary unit. Self-reliance. Again, remember, these are aspects of whiteness. Independence and autonomy, highly valued. You can go on to the next category. Emphasis on the scientific method. Objective, rational, linear thinking, cause and effect relationships. This is whiteness. Protestant work ethic. If you work working hard is the key to success. That's whiteness. Work before play. Status. Where do you see that?

What do you say? Work before play. I know the same heading. Let's take a quick break, but continue this with comedian and former judge, Vince August here on Will Kane Country. There's no shortcut for saving time, but saving money is simple.

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Justice, based on English common law, protect property and entitlements. This is, it's just on and on. It's like everything good about American culture, but any successful culture is described as a malignant vestige of whiteness. It feels like more of an attack on those dirty German Protestants than those lazy Irish Catholics, you know? Whoa. Whoa. Now, did she... What's going on?

Now, did she prepare that document, or is that just part of what they have? Because a lot of times what happens is, you know, these organizations, all of a sudden, they get these groups that infiltrate them and say, hey, listen, by the way, this is the new way of thinking. This is the new progressive way that we're going to move forward. And they get this stuff, put it on the website, and then they don't even know it's there, and it's part of what there is. And then when you asked them about it, they're literally like, oh, is that on our website? Well, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. It's a subsidiary of the Smithsonian, the African American Museum, and they put it out, probably a department within that. Right. You know, but you are the president. You should know. You should know. I didn't know.

It doesn't really work for the leader of the company. You should know. But again, that's also a preparation of a witness. And this is one of the problems we've reached, I think, just. in general as a society is when we say someone can't sit there and say, hey, look, you know what, a lot of this stuff got proposed to us and maybe we jumped on things

we shouldn't have. And you know what? Now that you're pointing that out to me, hey, we need to take a good look at ourselves and maybe this one. You're never going to get that though today. And that's, I think, one of the big flaws that we have is just no one's going to sit. There's no accountability. It's just sit there and go,

and I'm sorry, your question is. Am I racist? You know, earlier, Vince, you were talking about deposition. So Congress is not a deposition. By the way, one of my favorite depositions, go look it up on Google or YouTube. Joe Jamail, who's a famous Texas trial attorney, one, I believe at the time at least, it may have been surpassed by now, but the biggest verdict in American history, which is Texaco versus Pins Oil. I believe, yeah, Texco versus Pins Oil, hundreds of millions of dollars in contingency fees to him. The field at University of Texas is named after him. It's a deposition. It's on YouTube. Where he gets, he, he, he, He fights the witness. Well, you want to go, big boy? Let's go, big boy. You know, I mean, it is hilarious.

It's great. But my point in bringing that up is watch it on YouTube. It's funny. But that is a little bit of the approach of most people in Congress. Their time with a witness is their time to give a speech and to slap them around. And Gill is doing something different and more effective. And we've had congressmen on the show that say, these hearings are absurd because it's just congressman after congressman taking his opportunity to do his show.

Right. Gil is doing something different. Right. And I think there's a way to fix that. There's two ways to fix it. The one way to fix it is when the congressperson is speaking, their camera and their microphone is off. If you shut off the cameras and you take away the ability of all these Congress people to try to get their little clips for their social media, pages and you just leave that part to transcript and you split the time equally.

If you have five minutes, it's two and a half of your questions, two and a half for their answer. And you know what? Sorry, we're not going to record you. We're not going to show you on TV. We're going to shut off your mic. We're going to transcript it. And then they don't get their viral moment or their opportunity for a viral moment or go back to closed hearings and say, you know what? We're going to decide what we're going to release from the responses. We'll show what the question's going to be. You will get back to have it. hearings. Can I ask you what the point of these hearings are? Like, what is none? None. None.

Of these, like, actual end goal of these hearings. Why do they have them? Honestly. To show that they're doing work. Yeah. To show that they're doing work. But there's no real goal to solve anything. Not anymore. Yeah. Well, the theory is that these congresspeople vote. And by questioning witnesses, they get more information on what it is they're voting on and where they're appropriating money. I'm torn on what Vince says. If you talk to many congresspeople, they'll say it changed with TV. It absolutely changed once these things started getting aired. On the flip side, I believe in transparency, and we wouldn't be getting this Gill stuff but for this.

And so let's show you one last clip of what we wouldn't be getting if we made these closed hearings. Here's our last clip of Brandon Gill. The ABA believes that it's important to always explain. Are you going to fill up byster? Because it doesn't make you sound very good. I'm going to ask you again, against which groups do you have implicit biases? It's important to always examine everyone's point of view. and where they may need to consider.

It is. What about your point of view? I am here as the president of the American Bar Association. And I'm asking you what your implicit biases are. The ABA as an entity. Have you reflected on your implicit biases? I think about how I operate the world constantly. And she, what are they?

He does go, he pushes it further, by the way. He starts saying there's never been a trans Supreme Court justice. Do you consider that, you know, a transphobic aspect of the United States history? Should there be a trans justice under the banner of DEI? And she just can't, she can't, she, she, she, her path is different than the other one's path. Her path is filibuster on, on abstractions and not answer questions. But, but the other way to fix this will is if you say, okay, you know what, we're going to have these hearings and you assign like you do, in court, and you know you've seen this when major corporations go to court and they have lawyers

there, you assign one council to ask all the questions. And then that council, so Gil could say, look, here's a question from the representative of Illinois. Here's one from, so rather than everyone have their five-minute speeches and get into the ridiculousness of it, you can actually say appointed for the right, is this representative appointed from the left, is this representative? But we also know why that doesn't happen because why do these people and how do these people get these positions? Donations. Honestly, the rest of the congressmen, they should cede their time to guilt. Just cede your time to guilt.

I think both sides should. Just cede your time to one person to ask the questions and we'll move away from a lot of the nonsense that we see both sides with the filibus. You know who's told us this? Trey Gowdy. Trey Gowdy said that. And Trey Gowdy was really good at this. And he was like, yeah, I mean, we should, we should as a party appoint one person to be the prosecutor or cross-examiner in these. And I think that's a great idea.

I love it. I do. I love it. Yeah. Haley Stevens is running for Senate in Michigan. She's running against Abdul-Said. She went viral a few days ago with her, I got a little bit of stick it to them, you know, in Michigan. She sounds like a 1930s baseball coach.

And she was cornered by TMZ in the halls of Congress. And I got to tell you, tell me this isn't a little endearing. Make fun of me on the internet. No, the opposite. No, honestly, the opposite, because I saw that video, which was legendary. Thank you. I think it's widely considered like a legendary video. But do you know what I saw that you did?

You took it, and then we're like, you know, I'm going to lead into it, and I'm going to make it a campaign ad. So tell me through that process. Look, I am authentically Michigan. That's the deal. And look, this internet, it's been. I don't know. It gets wild.

We all know that. But you know who I sound like? I sound like the people who I talk to in Michigan who are getting screwed right now by Donald Trump. She sounds like Chris Farley. She does. A van down by... She's the female version of a van down by the river.

Yeah, that's what it is. I was trying to figure it out and that's what it is. Yeah. It's really smart. But... Well... Okay. Smart sounds cowcats. There are people that say she's changed her accent that this isn't, but I got to tell you, she comes off is pretty endearing and authentic to me.

Because if you're changing your accent, which maybe she did, maybe she toned her own accent down, you're usually doing what AOC did. You're adopting a black accent in front of a black audience or whatever it may be. This feels like you don't, you don't adopt something that is not attractive. And so she's like, this accent, it's not attractive. And she's doing, I find this very endearing and authentic. But maybe they're really into that kind of thing up there, you know? Yeah, oh, don't you know? Hey.

Wasn't that a Fargo kind of? Yeah. Yeah. Right. How you doing there? It's, I mean, you caught me here in the hallways. What are we doing here? Do you know how many people would vote for her based on that?

self-effacing video? I think a lot. Yeah. Just on that alone. Again, it's authentic. People don't like to think too much. A lot of people don't like to think too much, and they see something like that, and they're like, yeah, I'd vote for her. Oh, look, she's real. Right. She gets me.

Yeah. What are you talking about? And she laughs at herself, and she doesn't take herself too seriously. And she makes those cute little faces like she's sucking on a lemon head every time she asked me. Do you ever notice that in there? She, like, puckered her lips up and squeezed her eyes. tight real shut. Like, I almost seem like a tick.

Yeah. I want to do one last thing here with Vince before we invite in former Auburn basketball coach Bruce Pearl. And that is President Donald Trump yesterday during a rally in Georgia brought up that the Braves should never do away with the Tomahawk chop. Go ahead and play it, Dan. Oh, listen. They say you're not allowed to do that.

Do it. They're all doing the Tomahawk chop in the background he's doing it too, and they're getting into the... Oh, oh. Is that the exact same thing the Seminoles do, Patrick? It is, right? Yes. So, Dionne Sanders, when he went to the Braves, he brought it over with him because he was going to FSU for football. Yeah.

Yep. But we call it different things. It might be... It's the war chant at Florida State, and it's the Tomahawk chop in Atlanta. Do they do it in Kansas City with the Chiefs as well? They do, don't they? They do, but they do a bastardized version. I mean, it's the same chant, but they chop weird. They don't actually have a coordination synchronization to it. Can I say, I think that might be the best American sports chant.

Foreign sports do more chants, you know, now that we've had the World Cup, you probably got familiar with that. you know, like the Norwegians doing the rowing thing, the Icelanders. You guys remember the Icelanders from the previous World Cup? Well, it was actually from the Euro. Do you remember that one? Which the Vikings, I think, have adopted, that, oh. It's cold above their head. Yeah.

I'm sure somewhere in Asia, there's probably a different type of chop. It's more, you know, karate style. Careful there. Well, we need a team. What if we have, why don't we have like the samurai? I'll tell you why, because they're not part of American history. And that's the point. Indians are a part of American history.

The Chinese help build the railroads. Yeah. Okay, come on. India, okay, I got it. Thank you for that clarification. I appreciate it. Donnie, we're not talking about the people that built the railroads here. The Chinaman is not the issue.

Also, dude, Chinaman, not the preferred nomenclature. Asian American, please. Oriental, I guess. Can't say that as far. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What's my favorite scenes. The hell are we doing here on now? My favorite scenes from Big Lebowski.

No, this is where I wanted to get to. American Indians are an integral part of American history. That's why we don't have the samurai. That's, which, by the way, are not Chinese, Patrick. And they're Japanese. Look at me. So this erasure of the tomahawk chop of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, Cleveland Indians of the Washington Redskins.

And somehow we've drawn the line and the chiefs and the Braves have survived. I think this is one of the grossest erasures in American history. And I think that I know that polling, I've read the polling. I've read the public survey polls. That American Indians, their favorite football team, the Washington Redskins. It's a nod to them. Without a doubt. Yes.

Yes. It's not a bad thing. What was it? The guy on the Giants is the quarterback. the backup, DeVito, when he was doing well and he would score, and then they would do the Italian thing or whatever. I mean, did anybody get bothered by that? No.

Were you offended? Not even nearly. I don't know. It sounds like you're a little offended. Not even close. You brought it up. I would love to have an Italian name, a team named like the meatballs or something. And then we all show up there.

There's a bad call by the ref and we all go like this or something. You know, something happens. happens during the game. Ah, forget about it. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? Are you kidding me? We don't do the chop.

We don't do the penalty. I'll show you a penalty. You know, we do that. What would the name be? For real, what would the name be? Like, that would be fun. The wooden scoos. About the wooden spoons.

Yeah, we'll take you. I'll beat you with a wooden spoon. It'd probably be like the jersey. The Jersey wooden spoons. It's got to be something intimidating. Well, okay, okay, Vince. I got one. Okay.

The American Indian stuff was named after tribes and warriors, because, of course, in sports, you want to be intimidating. You want to be aggressive, right? So we had savages and braves and chiefs and on and on, right? And then... I know you're gone. So if you're going up... Where am I going?

If you're going Italian, you're probably going to leave... into the mafia stuff, you're probably going to lean into something intimidating. So is it like the Jersey Dons? With the Godfathers. By the way, is that a minor league baseball team? There might be a minor league baseball team called the Donns. Is there? I don't know.

That sounded familiar all of a sudden. Would you be offended? Not at all. I'd be at every game offended. Are you kidding me? University of San Francisco is the Don's. There you go. But not for the same reason.

But that's, yeah. Yeah, it's not for the same reasons. Yeah. Come on. The Capos of Georgia. Yeah, the Capos. I mean, the Godfathers. Let's go.

You score a touchdown. You drop a gun in the end zone. Suzanne says the Italian, the Italian stallions. Drop a 38. You take the 38, you drop it in the end zone. You don't spike the bull. You just leave a 38 in the end zone, walk away. Get a canola at the end.

That's it. President Trump is right. Don't lose the Tomahawk shop. Don't lose the Braves. Don't lose the Chiefs. Everybody lighten up, man. Just lighten up. Coming up, former Auburn head men's basketball coach

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My team, my team would be the Maccabees, right? That's what I'd have to be. Or the surprise. Isn't that the Israeli, the Maccabees, is that the Israeli soccer team? What they... I think there is one. That is actually Yashiva University here in the United States.

That's their mascot or their fight, their battle cry, if you will. And I think... Maccabee Tel Aviv Football Club. Yeah, Tel Aviv Football Club, yeah. Score a touchdown. You spin the football on the end zone like a dreidel. Just let it spin. in there.

By the way, you did coach. You coached at one university with one of the coolest names, volunteers. Volunteers is an incredible name. Ties into Tennessee history. We in Texas, of course, appreciate their volunteerism, and I'll always have a soft spot. My brother is an alum of your other one, so this is coming from a place of love. Your other one has too many names to keep up with. Tigers, War Eagles.

the plainsmen. I mean, pick one, Auburn. Well, we're the Auburn Tigers, okay? But when we greet one another, we say we're Eagle. You know, it's like Aloha or Shalom. I mean, it's just, it's a battle cry, it's a greeting. What's the plainsman then? I think the planesman's in the school newspaper. Are you, are you, you, you said we. So you, you, you, you, you, Auburn, Auburn is you. Tennessee is past you, part of your story, but you're Auburn?

Yeah, well, Tennessee fired me, you know? And so, you know, I think personal. I mean, I just left, I left $11 million on the table for having a couple kids over the house for a barbecue. Now I could buy them a barbecue restaurant, you know, not to make light of what I did, the mistakes that I made, got to own my mistakes. God had a plan, because if Tennessee doesn't fire me, I don't get to go to Auburn. It was great to be a Tennessee ball. I never fell out of love with the fan base. They never fell out of love with me. And it's an amazing state. And I'm so proud of Governor Bill Lee and the direction that state's going. But Auburn's home now. And Auburn is a spectacular place. A great university. Love a God, love a country, love a community.

It's all right there. Man, I would say, I mean, because you know, you got to consider the source when you're listening to Coach talk about Auburn. I hear, there's a lot of Texas kids to go to Auburn now. And way you just described it is exactly they describe it. They love Auburn. They love the town. They love the, it's beautiful. But the culture, what you just said, love of country, love of God.

It's like the culture of Auburn, people come back and go, that's where you want to send your kid. I'm not. I'm sending my kid to Austin. But that's still a great place to sing your kid. Hey, look, there are pockets of Austin that are Auburn-like, and he's just going to have to navigate through the options. There are fewer options. at Auburn, but it's like it's really cool to have Bible study, like really cool.

And the hottest girls go to church on Sunday, and it's really cool to give worship and, you know, just be together. Yeah, no, it's, it is a special place. I don't know the kids that go there, but I know something about the kids that choose to go there, and it tells me who they at least want to be. And we've got places like that in this country, and we need more places like that in this country, because we've got to stop blaming our kids when we're going to stop blaming our kids when when they say things and they do things that we're embarrassed by, it's our fault because

we've not educated them, we've not taught them, whether it be love our country and understand the freedoms that we have and the ability to discuss these things without, you know, hating our country and educated and believe this is some awful place. And that's why we're hearing from all these young, educated, frustrated kids that haven't caught the American dream yet as to why we need to change our entire government. government in our system instead of just, you know what? Yeah. Toughen up. Keep working hard.

This didn't come easy for me. It didn't come easy for every for you, but it's available here better than any place in the world. Here, here. Love that. Yeah. Good stuff. Well done.

Well said. On that note of kids saying things, she's not a kid. I don't know what the definition or age range of a kid is anymore. But Sophie Cunningham of the Indiana Fever stood up the other day for. for keeping men out of women's sports. And she has now faced the media. She's faced the media in their questions. We have a clip or two of that I want to play.

Because I think listening to the questions and how she handles them tells us a lot about not only this young lady, but the dialogue in this issue in America. Let's listen to Sophie Cunningham. On that same vein, in that story with ESPN, you talked about wanting to protect young girls

who shouldn't have to go against biological men. Can you expand your viewpoint on that? I mean, I said what I said. I think it's kind of common sense. And I think I'll always believe in that. I think it's really important to protect children. And that's little girls who are also involved in that category. And so I stand on what I said.

And I always believe that. Good job by Sophie Cunningham. And the weird thing is, coach, it's hard to describe something so common sense and something is probably an 8515 proposition in America as brave, but it is brave in her environment. Yeah, I agree. in her environment, it takes courage for sure. This is part of the silent majority in our country. Good for Sophie Cunningham for speaking the truth. I'm at an age where I remember when there

weren't opportunities for women in sports at the intercollegiate athletic level. There weren't scholarship. There weren't facilities. They were treated completely as second-class citizens. And then Title IX turned that all around. And it brought more women. the college campuses gave us greater diversification. And so what we got going is great. And for people to suggest that men should be able to play on boys' sports or men's sports, it's ridiculous. As a father, what would you do to protect your daughter?

As a husband, what would you do to protect your wife? And this is how I look. As a grandfather, what opportunities are I want for my grandchildren? I wanted to be treated fairly. I wanted them to treat it equally. But this is nonsense. It is not safe. And there's no place for it.

I got a question. Would I find fascinating? Go ahead, Vince. I've seen, though, at times where they've had women play in men's sports, where they've had, like, you know, the kicker come out. And normally it's been, in football, it's been a kicker. We've seen situations where they have, like, a woman suit up in a football uniform go out and a place kicker, whether it's a kickoff.

we've seen that a call is like twice like twice now is that just gimmick is that because doesn't that seem to also play into this and kind of create this cloudiness or is that just no Vince that's a one off two off

gimmick thing that the university did Vince I think it's probably a one off two off but I don't know that it is a gimmick in this sense let's say there's a girl that plays soccer she's got a big foot she plays sweeper and she can really kick the ball And you know what?

She is able to be a place kicker. That's a great example. That's an interesting question. I don't know what I would do about that. Would I give her the opportunity to play with the boys because she wants more than something other than powder puff? But look, baseball is baseball. Football's football.

Basketball's basketball. It's the same sport, and it's available to everybody. They can play golf, they can play tennis, they can play volleyball, a lot of options. But if you want to kick a football, that may be one of the only places. you have a chance to do it. So I would call it a one-off and I wouldn't distract the two. Are you saying that kicking a football is easy and even a girl can do it, coach?

I'm not. My son was a kicker. No, because I've seen it also in Little League, at least where I live, I've seen girls play on Little League baseball teams as opposed to softball teams. And it's girls, you know, literally it's not a trans thing. It's this girl's playing on this Little League boys team. And it's one of those things where she's, you know, she's good enough to play. Yeah. But Vince, that usually ages out.

It does. It usually ends at puberty. Right. But it does. But, I mean, I don't know. Are we as bothered by the, I mean, I think the trans issue is separate from that. But I don't know.

Are people bothered by it? Because when I saw it at first, it was like, huh, but it didn't bother me to the point where I'm like, if she's good enough to do it, hey, whatever. She wants to play baseball instead of softball. Vince. I've seen the same thing in soccer. I've seen it in baseball.

But that's not what we're talking about. If we're being blunt, nobody cares about that. Everybody says the best player should be on the field. So if a girl is good enough to play for Coach Pearl at Auburn, I guarantee he would have signed a girl. If Caitlin Clark was good enough to play, he would have signed Caitlin Clark to play. The issue is the other way.

And we all know it's the other way. It is men playing girls sports because it's easier. The advantage. That's the issue getting down to it. Yes. Yeah. I just want to draw that distinction that there is a difference between, you know, although we do have men's and women's sports separate, when there is crossover, for those reasons, it's not a big deal.

It's when a man and I think always men playing in women's sports as identifying as women and dominating because of the difference in the physical ability. Is that fair, coach? Yeah, that's fair. And it's fine to have the discussion. It's fine to draw this distinction. It gets to a certain day age out. It gets to be a safety and security as you.

I don't want my daughter playing in a men's volleyball league. If there's a man's going to spike the ball at some point, and that obviously makes sense. Look, there's a reason why the ladies said from the red T's. Now, you know, I mean, there's a reason why over, over, you know, 65, I get to hit from, you know, a forward tee. I don't hit it as far as my son does. So there's ways for men and women to be able to play together in sports.

But obviously that's not we're talking about. We're talking about competitive stores. We're talking about, you know, swimming or we're talking about, you know, contact sports and things like that where girls and a man, women's safety is at issue. Agreed. Yeah. So, I'm curious, because now that you're kind of going on this path, you said you agree. Okay, Vince. Yeah.

This is the nature of the questions that Sophie Cunningham was fielding. And I don't actually think any of the questions were over the line, what the journalists were asking. But there was a bit of a presumption baked into the questions like, oh, how do you feel about the way that trans community could feel about this? So I want to talk about that lens. So here's one of the commenters today watching listening. Some Girl 51 says MAGA is obsessed with trans, L.O.L. No, I don't think that's an accurate description. I don't think anybody's obsessed with trans, and I think that flips the entire thing on its head.

And I can illustrate that by Rahm Emanuel is now most likely going to run for president. And Rahm is trying to run as a sane Democrat. He's trying to run as somebody focused on economic issues. Although we'll let coach get on this in a minute. He did give a big speech in Israel. And make no mistake, Rahm is on the left. But he's trying not to do the culture war left stuff that is so toxic for their side. And he's now being questioned by Dave Remnick of the New Yorker.

So I want you to how you flip this issue on its head, this is what happens in this interview. You say you're, quote, done with the discussion of locker rooms, I'm done with the discussion of bathrooms, and we better start having a conversation about the classroom. Now, bathrooms in this context means transgender rights in general. You'd like Democrats to be done with that, but Republicans clearly aren't. Should Democrats really be silent in response to attacks on trans people? It just seems that this line is clever, but it doesn't do service to some human beings who want their rights. Okay, here's what I'd love about that question.

Republican attacks on trans people. What attacks? Articulate that. And what rights? Some people want their rights. What rights are denied to trans people? This is about mainly three angles. What bathroom are you allowed to use and?

respect to other people's privacy. What sports teams are you allowed to play on? And what do you do to children before they have the cognizant ability to make wise decisions for themselves? That's pretty much the entirety of the trans debate. So talk to me about how they're being denied any rights. As far as the sports goes, if we're going to go down that road and if we're starting to see a lot more people become trans, I think we do need to have a conversation about having trans. sports where they compete against each other because look at the same time we're all sitting here and we all bring up religion as Christians as people of the Jewish faith I think you do have to have a level of compassion see this and say you know what we do have to have a conversation

about this and we should have a path for these people to compete at least against each other in a fair competitive way I don't think they should be excluded from sports I think we have to figure it out. I don't have the answer. A trans soccer league right now. If I gave you the Dallas-Port Worth Metroplex, could you field a trans league? Could you field one team? Well, I'm agreeing with you, but I'm saying as it becomes

more prevalent, it is something that we should deal with that I don't think a group of people should be denied that opportunity to participate in sports. Again, right now it's more nuance. It's not that prevalent, which is their argument, which is what's... But it's not that hard, Vince. It's not that hard. If you are trans,

go compete against the biological group of which you're part of. That's it. You're not denied the opportunity to play sports. You're not. You're just not, you're being denied the opportunity to play sports against your chosen opponent, in which case, when it's boys going against girls, it's an inferior opponent that you have a greater, forget dominate, make the team, get on the field, deny an opportunity to a girl. And I'm agreeing with you, Will. What I'm saying is, as it becomes more prevalent, if we're going in the direction where the numbers are going to increase. And you can start fielding teams, and it's going to be different. I'm just saying it's worth the conversation as of right now.

Yes, based on what we know, there's certain gender gaps. And like coach said, look, as it starts to age out, it's undeniable the advantage. Okay, great, we know that. But at some point in time, we may have to have this conversation. Hey, guys, I just want to go on record for something here. I am so excited about being on Will's show and being with you guys. I just want to let America know I am not a trans expert. Okay, we get this established.

Okay, sports, we'll talk a little bit about our country, maybe a little bit of Israel. How did I get on the trans show? Like, you guys didn't give me a head. You came on the show. You came on the show where anything goes. I'm sorry, Coach, if they didn't prepare you. but you're on the show where anything and everything can come up. But I will save you from the trans debate and going any further.

I will say, but I'm going to make one more point to Vince. You could start that team, and I don't think there would even be a big demand for it, because that's not what this is about. Ultimately, this is not about whether or not I have an opportunity to play. It's I want to play where I demand I should be able to play. So I think you could create that third category, and you're not giving me to demand because it doesn't solve the real problem and the real issue. All right, we'll get out of this now for coach.

I do know, I do, you know, I know you have something on this, Coach you want to talk about. So Zohran Mamdani is the mayor of New York City. He called this week for the arrest of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. But he acknowledged that he could not arrest Benjamin Netanyahu. The headline from New York Times reads, but he could denounce him. In a video message, the mayor of New York City said he could not legally arrest Israel's prime minister, but reinforced his position as the voice of the international. left. You talked a minute ago about, you know, the education and the mindset of people in this

country and how they feel about this country. In this case, he's talking about Israel. But this issue, and I know it's the one that's near and dear to your heart, this issue is becoming a defining issue, honestly, not just for the left, but for some larger growing segment of the right. Well, guys, genocide's a terrible thing, and it's important to define what it is and where it potentially exists. Right now, there are six million Arabs living in what we know as, you know, Judea or Israel. Back in 1948, there were about 160,000 Arabs living at that time. There are now six million. Two million in Gaza, two million in Judea and Samaria, and two million Israeli citizens. If Israel was committing genocide, they'd be really not very good at it,

because the Palestinian and Arab population has grown significantly. Where there has been a genocide is throughout North Africa and many other places around the world where there used to be large Jewish populations in Libya or Morocco or Lebanon or Iran. And now there are hardly any. Why? Because if they were still there, they'd be killed. That's just a fact. How do you explain that about, you know, when I took my basketball team to Israel, And we do that all the time because seeing is obviously believing and I wanted to get them closer to the roots of their Christian faith.

I want them to see where Jesus walked. I wanted them baptized in the Jordan River. I wanted to also go to the Holocaust Museum. When my guys are walking through the streets of Tel Aviv or Jerusalem, I'm going to like, coach. Like, half these people look like they're Arab. Maybe that's because they are. You know? And this is something that is completely misunderstood.

So when Mayor Mandami talks about a genocide, he's lying. He's wrong. The truth of the matter is that when Israel was born in 1948, the Jews in their declaration of independence asked, begged, there are a population to stay. And you know, many did. There are now 2 million Arab-Israeli citizens. But those that did not create what we now have today. And this, this Nakhba are of refugees that are simply not willing to live as neighbors in peace with the Israelis and with the Jews. That's the truth. That's the history of it. So when people talk about when a mayor says, let's free Palestine, who wouldn't want to free Palestine? I want Palestine to be free. What he's saying is free of the Jews. There are 22 Arab countries

in the Middle East. There is only one very small Jewish country in the Middle East. Why shouldn't the Jews be able to have sovereignty over this small country? Why can't Japanese have sovereignty of Japan. Chinese should have Bulgarians. What's the difference? And Mayor Mamdami is lying to people and they're believing it. And my job, your job, our job, is to

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I think that's fair. The rising popularity of him, you know, you've got Abdul Al-Sayed, who's in the primary for Michigan Senate. You, you know, and as I mentioned a moment ago, you definitely got segments to the right as well. So how concerned are you about the growth of this mindset? I'm concerned, all right, but I'm also hopeful. Why am I concerned? When the vote came up about defense, Israel defense, and understand that about $3.8 billion of this investment is returned to a tune about $3.4 billion being spent here in this country on the, with the,

with the military industrial complex. It's so incredibly misunderstood. But when you have 103 Democrats vote against that aid, against an ally that has gone toe to toe with the United States, they're the only ones that have actually fought side by side with us in the Middle East. It just simply doesn't make any sense. Will Vince, let me ask you a question.

If the United States was to lose an ally and lose that ally to China or Russia, you know, North Korea, Iran, let's just just, say those four, what country on earth could do us the greatest amount of damage by going over to that dark side? Which country? Are you talking any specific part of the world or? Any part of the world, any country in the world, Vince, if they were an ally of the United States right now and decided to join those four, who would you hate to lose and why? I would say it's between two. Go ahead, Vince. I would, I would go, I would go

go England somewhere in there because of, again, the longstanding relationship and their position in Europe. Is that a fair assessment as to where you're going? I would say, I get what coach is getting at. I think Israel, because of their capabilities, it's got to be in that, obviously in that discussion. Israel is a very capable nation that you don't want, which would be a very worthy adversary. But I would put Mexico. You can't. The number one protection of the United States. Yeah. The number one protection of the United States of America. throughout the entirety of its existence has been the existence of two gigantic oceans, the Atlantic and the Pacific. Quite honestly, it's what exempts us from a lot of these problems that plague Europe or any other part of the globe.

And we just simply can't have that at our doorstep in Mexico. I'm in Canada, too. There's no question. Mexico and Canada are extremely important allies because of the protection that they provide. You know, when I was in Israel and I was meeting with the ambassadors, and I was asking, like, what does an ambassador do all day? Like, what do you guys do? I see Mike Huckabee on the news of David Friedman. He's the ambassador. They tell me about 75% of their staff's job is to make sure that Israeli high tech, AI, cyber security, military defense, the golden dome, the lasers, all these things don't get sold to China or to Russia. Yeah. Stop and think. If we lost that technology and somebody else possesses it. I think that would put us in a really, really dangerous place.

So I think one of the things that doesn't get to stuff disgust enough, I'm a patriot, okay? My shirt says U.S.-Israel education. I'm America first. But I also believe that our relationship with Israel makes America safer and it makes America better. And to think that a country like Israel, if we don't want to be a country like Israel, if we don't want to be, to do business with Israel, and we don't want to be an ally of Israel's, and there are people out that you're talking about most of the left, some of the right, that don't want us to, God forbid Israel went to somebody else.

But Coach, one of the things I think you said that is the most important thing. You know, when we talk about history and you talk about what happened in Germany, you know, we don't have time machines to go back and to see what it was like. I think the thing that you hit on right out of the gate is what you do with your players and you bring them on the ground. This is a current situation, and I think one of the things that's missing that we don't have is we have a lot of people talking about the situation in Israel and Palestine in the Middle East. What we don't see is the actual people there. We're not getting footage of what is happening there. We get clips here and there. I mean, how is it possible to educate the American public by actually showing the relationships that you talked about in Israel, showing what's happening in Palestine, in the way. that's actually a human interaction as opposed to a talking head, a news person, a politician going to do whatever it is, a propaganda piece, whatever they're doing. How do we get to that

place? Well, Vince, you make a great point. Look, seeing is believing. And so I encourage people to see for themselves to go over there and to visit. I've been Israel a dozen times in the last 10 years. And I go into Judea, Samaria. I met with Palestinians and Palestinian leaders. They hate the Palestinian Authority. They're afraid of Hamas. There is movement within Judean, Samaria. Like Goldemeyer said, when the Arabs start hating the Jews and loving their children more, perhaps there could be peace. So visiting and seeing, obviously, for yourself. Look, the war is a horrible thing. And you can talk about all about Israel doing the best they can to prosecute this war and to try to get at the terrorists. But in urban areas like Gaza, where the terrorists are high.

in tunnels, they're hiding in plainclothes, so and so forth, and there are some casualties that are innocent, and it's an awful thing. People want it over quickly. Well, we got World War II over quickly by dropping a bomb on Japan. We got World War II over in Germany by dropping bombs on Dresden. Israel has not done that. And so they're losing the PR battle because this thing is lasting so long, but the truth is still the truth.

I'll say one more thing about the violence in Judea and Samaria, which I think is really really important. Since 1967, all right, in the Six-Day War, there have been about less than 200 Palestinian casualties at the hands of Israeli citizens. That's 200 too many. That's awful. In that same period, there have been over 1,800 Israeli civilians who were murdered at the hands of Palestinians. Okay? And so while violence on both sides is wrong, the violence from the Palestinians to the Jews in Israel is 10 times what it is the other way around. And that's just the truth. Those are the facts. Coach Bruce Pearl with us here today. You are an expert on basketball as well. And I don't know if this is the first time we've been with each other, Coach,

but I would be remiss if I didn't just pursue my curiosity on this. One of the things, how long have you been out now at Auburn? How many years has it been? I've been out about 10 months. I'm trying to coach America instead of coached coach basketball. about 10 months. So it's just one season. So you've already been a part of this radical earthquakeing shift in college basketball, but it's only picking up pace.

And you know, you talk about taking your players over there and you're talking about developing young men, much less developing players, which takes time. I don't know what you could do in one year. And this point, what are you looking at? 75%. I'd put the over under 75% roster turnover year over year. You are getting dudes on one-year deals.

That is an entirely different thing than what you did throughout your career. Well, it's one of the reasons why I stopped coaching, honestly. I needed the ministerial aspect of coaching to really feel like I was doing more than just coaching the game of basketball and getting a paycheck. I don't know what percentage of my players graduated, but the vast, vast majority of my players have graduated. And it, in it obviously took a village. It does take time.

You know, Coach Pat Dye used to say, you can coach him as hard as you love him. I don't fall in love in eight months. I just don't. We've got to go through some things. You know, it's not where you start, it's where you finish. And when you take a young man, he comes to you. He's immature. He lacks confidence.

He's going to make some mistakes. You get through that stuff together, and you begin to have some incredible success or whatever. You fall in love. And I love the process of falling in love. And then once you are now in love, you are together for the rest of your life. That's not happening anymore. And so the rules are set up where, yeah, transfers are what it is. The government can help.

Can they give us some limited liability protection so that we can sit down with our players and negotiate with them as a class of student athletes, bring back some of the old NCAA, but compensate these student athletes way more than what we did? We screwed it up. We did not recognize how much more these student athletes were worth and now we've lost trust on both sides of the island Washington DC the game is great on the court make no mistake football basketball It's awesome on the court but we're not graduating kids we aren't developed you know we're not developing We're not to teach them to flee not fight and I do think down the road We're gonna we're gonna see some even more negative effects for the way intercollegiate athletes is operating right now

I I wonder if If Indiana and in Michigan as well are reigning national champions in football and basketball, they showed a model where older kids, and they're going to reduce the ability to do that, you know, the proposed five-year rule. But the way to win in this environment is to get experienced kids, get 23-year-olds, get 24-year-olds on your team. And, you know, I had a, I don't think they'll mind me saying this. I was with Coach Sweeney, and he was like, they were telling me the math right now is if you're not a top, if you're not in the first three rounds of the NFL draft, you make more money staying in college.

So if you're a four or five, six rounder, you're going to be better off financially, staying in college. And with the NIL stuff, there's got to be a lot of basketball players to start going, I can make more money. Now they're going to bounce around schools, and that's the problem. They're not going to stay one place for four years, but they may stay in college for four or five years. Well, but just staying in college and you transfer from school to school, every time you transfer, you lose hours. And so none of these kids are graduating. So yeah, they're not running to the NBA before they're ready. As a result, the NBA has got a way better product.

They don't have all these 19-year-old, 20-year-old kids that can't play yet that you're going to invest money for. The other good thing about it is when those kids do go to the NBA at 23 and 24, they're now more ready to last long. So it's definitely helping, you know, the student athletes, but where it's killing is, look, we should have an age limit. It should be between 18 and say 24 maybe. maybe and if you're in that age group fine then you could play intercollegiate athletics but you should have to be able to age out so we can get some of our you know young kids some opportunities right now the key to winning is get old and stay old and it has nothing to do with graduating and and and I think I

think these problems are fixable let me say one last thing the average NFL football roster is a 300 million dollar roster the NFL is the most watch sport in America the number two most watch sport is college football and yet the average college football roster while it sounds crazy is 30 million 300 million to 30 million for something where the ratings are fairly close that's how much these student athletes are worth now the toothpaste is out of the bottom we got to stop the bleeding okay at some point if we don't sit down and negotiate and create some rules around intercollegiate athletics we could lose what we have and don't don't be shamed.

if the NCAA has to break up because there's never been a difference between Indiana and southern Indiana or Michigan and northern Michigan than there is right now. And that was not the case 10 years ago. Can I ask a coach a follow up with regards to the development of players? Because one of the things I'm seeing in the NBA draft is you're lucky if you can get that first round pick to even make your team. I mean, what I'm seeing is if you're not picking in the top. 10, teams are trading out and taking cash instead of a 25th pick. And the second round is almost non-existent. You know, people are taking players from Cyprus.

How is it possible that when we look at the NCAA and you look at all of these programs, that there's not 30 guys that are coming out, I mean, listen, I'm 57, coach. I'm not much younger than you. And I remember when you had that first round pick, that guy was a sixth-man guy. guarantee, if not a starter. Are we not seeing that? Am I wrong about this? What is the disconnect between the college game and the pro game? Well, both games are great because both games have got older, obviously older players. Look, the difference between an 18-year-old and a 20-year-old is vast. There's not much difference between a 28-year-old and a 30-year-old, 48-year-old and a 50-year-old.

But 18 to 20, it's enormous. And so we're denying opportunities to some of our young kids. Look, it's fixable. And we've got good people that are on it right now. I'd love to see Congress give us some limited antitrust protection and give us the opportunity to get it right, Vince. Thanks, Coach. Before you go, Coach, I just want to make sure we didn't cut you short.

Do you have anything else you want to say on the trans topic? No, but I'll end on. this because we're talking about the drafting guys going to the draft and players. This year, 12, the first 12 picks of the NBA draft, both mom and dad in the home. Being in coaching, I coached a lot of kids without dads or so on so forth. There were some amazing uncles, some amazing coaches. It can be done without a father in a home, but it's harder. And I think there was a model right there. And I know most of those families because I recruited everyone. of nobody finished second like Bruce Pearl. I finished second on about six kids that got drafted in the 12s top 12 spots. And I think it's worth giving a shout out. I think it's worth giving it a shout out to parents and families are right now to navigate, to try to find a way to stay together for the sake of your children. And these first 12 picks were great these guys were all young. They were disciplined. They were accountable. They were tough. And I'm telling you, it was the best draft the NBA's had in a dozen years. And that's,

story does not get enough attention. I didn't know that. I'm a gigantic sports fan. I watched the draft. I could probably rattle off the top 12 picks in order right now. I did not know that they were all the product of two-parent home. That's fascinating. That's why you had me on. You had me on for that and the transition. I get it. Coach Bruce Pearl of Auburn University and the U.S. Israel Education Association Chair. It's been great to have you on. We'd love to have you on again anytime. coach. Thank you. Thank you guys. All right. Take care, coach. Before we go today, I want,

I promised it and Vince said that I wouldn't fulfill it. So I'm going to fulfill it really quickly here. We're going to do it fast. How about this story? This is a story out of North Dakota. Two guys, 36 years old, figure out at the age of 36, that they were switched at birth, born in the same hospital on the same day in 1988 the hospital allegedly switched the two boys at birth and they were raised by each is that right okay it's about your age too um and raised by each other's biological parents they have sued the hospital now infinity money could not make this right infinity money. Yeah.

Billions cannot make this right. It depends, though. What family am I being switched with? I mean, if I'm being switched into a really wealthy family. Great question. Yeah, that's a good switch. I mean, if I'm getting switched to like, you know, a trail, yeah. If you vacation on Martha's Vineyard, then you're good.

Right. I'm staying with that. Right. If I was. That's really interesting. If I was Vinnie Walmart. I would love to know that. Yeah.

But you guys are making a joke about the socioeconomic things, and that's true. But it's also possible that, like, just one of the sets was better parents than the others, you know? And the kid that's like, I kind of lucked out. They said they met their real parents, and they said it was nice, but it was awkward. Yeah. As it would be. It's a true test of nature and nurture. And North Dakota, how many babies are there that you're screwing that one up?

I mean, what town is this in? They said they were the only two babies. They were the only two in the hospital that day. That's what I'm saying. And by the way, the hospital said, we don't accept responsibility. You know, who else did it? Did the parents go into the nursery and pick up the wrong one and go? And then he's like, no, I got him, sweetie.

I'll meet you at the car. Just some passive. I was like, let's see what happens if I switched these two. So when you hear some fun facts real fast? Yeah. Very quickly. So in the United States, only about eight physically documented permanent switches were reported between 1995 and 2008. So since DNA kind of became a thing, just in Pennsylvania, between 2014 and 2015, they found roughly 1,234 such events statewide.

B.S. Which is roughly two to three per day. That's what they say. Come on. That's no way, Patrick. Way higher. No. That's what I'm saying.

It's switching kids like crazy at hospitals. The article I read, Patrick, as the Guardian, says 18 a year is what they expect. They think it is. Get switched. They say roughly 4.6 births,000 live births. So I don't know. I've had kids. Patrick, you've had a lot of kids.

And you got another one on the way. Yeah, but at home. So they don't, they don't risk being switched. at home. The birth home birth? Yeah. You do that? Wow. Home school? You home birth. Wow. I don't. Yeah. Patrick's not delivering.

He does it Joseph Amary, old school style. He goes right outside in Florida, right out to the barn. How's the kid? Down by the river. Get to work. Get to work, son. Now, I put the bracelet on the kid pretty quick that says who the kid is, right? I mean, I kind of don't know how you do that as well. The last one and the next one are going to be hospital births, but they didn't leave our site.

They're not going to leave our site. I'll make sure there's no switcheruny. I mean, you get it. Babies all look the same. Yeah. At what point? I don't think they'll be switched with a black baby. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, yeah, I was born in Hackensack. It doesn't look like. My parents were definitely bringing me home. I mean. But assuming no huge racial switch up, you know, you know, you guys have a point like around age three, they're like, man, Jimmy doesn't look like me. Yeah. I know parents that look at a kid and they're like, you know what? Yeah, this one, something went wrong.

Well, you said the thing, Will, about, you know, the father's not being the actual father and not knowing forever. 10%. Yeah. That's crazy to me, too. I mean, that's, it kind of fits into this, but it's insane. I think you see, even if not physically, in behavior, you can see elements of yourself and your biological children, right? I say that. It could happen.

It could easily happen that. I mean, put the biological side. You raised the kid in your house. I mean, he's going to just do things. I mean, obviously, if he looks completely different and, you know, something going on. But he's being raised in your house, he's going to pick up the characteristics, everyone else, especially if there's other kids. If he's Some, Vince.

I'm a big, I'm a big nature over nurture guy. Some. I think, I think that a lot of those behavioral traits are genetic. I really do. Like doing this for Italian? Yeah.

Like, some kid just starts doing that out of nowhere. You're like, this ain't my kid. Like, I got, my kids are born in New York. Like,

what if somebody switched an Italian kid for me? And I'm looking up in a six and going, what are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What is this? What is this rim? Where's the rip?

What kind of sauce you put on our rib? Get some tomato sauce in here. You had barbecue sauce. We eat tomato sauce. What are you putting on this? I'm not sure he's mine. There's just something off about it. All right.

Comedian Vince August, we always love having him on. I should say not just comedian, former judge. Former judge. That's right. Former judge, Vince August. Thank you, Vince. Thank you, brother.

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