Will Cain Country - Cain On Sports: Brian Kilmeade on O.J. Simpsons Death and Much More

Episode Date: April 12, 2024

On this edition of Will's Friday sports episode on The Will Cain Show, Will sits down with the host of ‘The Brian Kilmeade Show’ and Co-host of Fox & Friends Brian Kilmeade.  Brian reacts to the life and death of the polarizing O.J. Simpson. PLUS, can Caitlin Clark bring the ratings from the NCAA to the WNBA or will she just blend in once she gets to her professional career?   Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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OJ Simpson, Caitlin Clark, the Masters, and why are field hockey sticks so little? A wonderful mess with Brian Kilby. It's the Will Kane Show on-demand. Kane on Sports every Friday by subscribing at Apple, Spotify, or at Fox News podcast, or going over to YouTube and subscribing to The Will Kane Show, you can keep up with every Friday episode of Kane on Sports of the Will Kane Show. Today, we are joined by the host of Fox and Friends and the host of the Brian Kilmead show on Fox News Radio to discuss the death of O.J. Simpson

and then just a mess of stream of consciousness across the world of sports, as is always the case when you talk with Brian Kilmead. Brian Kilmead co-host of Fox and Friends. I was really excited to have you on the show today to talk about the death of O.J. Simpson because I was told, while everybody else is saying O.J. Simpson, murderer, burn in hell. You actually have a unique take, something you have to say that you'd like to speak kindly and praise, O.J. Simpson. Okay. I bet I would fire your researcher and your background check. and your personal assistant,

as well as the producer of your podcast and the one sponsoring it. I also like to apologize to your sponsors. I have to make the host look bad and actually say... Oh, I'm misinformed? Yes, you are well misinformed. Is anyone praising them? Didn't even Caitlin Jenner say good riddance or something to that degree? They were once best friends.

You know, that's actually why I messed around with you here at the beginning. It's like, everybody's saying the same thing. Yeah, OJ's terrible. But Mark Lamont Hill, former CNN. and contributor, tweeted the following. O.J. Simpson was an abusive liar who abandoned his community long before he killed two people in cold blood. His acquittal for murder was the correct and necessary result of a racist criminal legal system, but he's still a monster, not a martyr. Well, that's a little interesting. I know Mark Lamont Hill. He used to come on. Fox News a lot. I found him really

intriguing, but he is way out there, way to the left, and he also is an agitator. He wants people to comment on him like Will Kane on your very successful podcast. My take is this. There's a couple of things, and I can't take credit for this. I'm on the air with Mike Roe, which is not the perfect guest for OJ's death, but I'm on the air and I know OJ's dead. Okay, so he said, he took a deep breath and he did a Will Kane, and he said, do you realize that's the first time we stopped believing what we were seeing and we know what was right? And I go, really, like they tell us now the borders, you know, the border is sealed. There was no crisis. We know it's different. They tell us crime is going down. We know that's not the case. You know, they tell us leaving

Afghanistan was a fantastic thing. Listen to Admiral Kirby. They tell us the economy's going great, but you talk to people they don't feel that way. He says it really started in 94. He says it started when we watched that. We were all talking about it. Hundreds of millions of people talking about it every day was a real-life soap opera. And we knew he was guilty. We knew he almost killed himself, and A.J. Kellogg's basically admitted to it. We knew Kardashian stole the clothes and hit him somewhere. Kardashian clearly knew he was guilty. And then we found out that he isn't. And we stopped believing what we know. And we started dividing. And I can't take credit for it. But the more I thought about it, the division really started there too.

Yeah, you know, that's what I said yesterday on the Will Kane show, Brian, as I said, at least from my generation, Generation X, I feel like it was the beginning of the realization that the characters are more important than the plot, that the fact's less important than social justice. And although I think we went through an era of racial harmony through the mid-2000s, or at least more racial harmony, that ultimately fell apart in about 2013, this was the beginning of everyone understanding reality, but seeing the verdict of insanity. I don't know if you watched the ESPN five-part OJ Simpson documentary from a few years. back. But, you know, there was a juror in that documentary that gave an interview who said,

so you're saying everyone in that jury box, 90 percent, understood that this was retribution for Rodney King. And she said, yep. And the interviewer goes, do you think that's right? And she goes, don't know, kind of shrugs your shoulders. Don't care. This wasn't about OJ. It wasn't about Nicole Brown Simpson. It wasn't about Ronald Goldman. It was about black and white. point, I did not see the documentary, but I was out in Los Angeles for Rodney King. And I remember coming back, I worked in Ontario and lived in Malibu, not the rich part of Malibu, but the time where you can rent a house, rent one room in a house, beautiful view, horrible accommodations, more than that later. And I remember driving back because there was a curfew and looking left

and right, the whole, literally the whole city was on fire on both sides of the 10 freeway. And I thought to myself, I'll never, I'll never see anything like this again. And then we find out the next year, we have this drama again in Los Angeles and an earthquake in between, I might add, in California. So it was one crazy time in California at the time. What year? Wait, wait, wait. So you were there? What year were we talking about?

I was there from 90 to 94. So, Brian, I know exactly what you're talking about because that's when I was at Pepperdine from 93 to 97. So you're talking about probably closer to 93, 99. We had two fires and an earthquake, and I was in Malibu. I did know my future colleague was also right there in Malibu. On a side note, on Las Flores Canyon Drive, there used to be the sea lion on the other side. Remember the sea lion on the other side of the street? It's a new name now.

But on Las Flores Canyon Drive, you'd whip around, whip around. I lost everything I owned, which wasn't much, because I was making probably $23,000 a year. That's before taxes. I was taking home $5.96 every two weeks and lived in Malibu, so I literally were rationing out for my gas per gallon to see if I could get to work every day. So I lost absolutely everything three weeks before I got married. But let's make this about OJ. So my wife was really getting nothing but credit card debt. So she was really proud, not even a place.

Although I did get a place in Marina Del Rey, and I was never able to fully live there with her because I got a job back in Long Island. And I've been here since. But I just think this is, I think you brought up a good point. It's not so much O.J. The verdict's out and in. He had to live his own special life of hell. And right now, he's experiencing what he's experiencing. And he lived it for 25 years. But this brings us back to where we were at that time, what we thought and what has happened since. And that's pretty amazing. You know, you got earthquakes, fires 9-11. Great moments in history. World War II started, I guess, for previous generation. But for us, you don't know anybody that was over the age of 13, everybody remembers where they were. And what was going on at the time? For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin

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tells the story, but some stories are left unfinished. Somebody knows. Real cases, real people. Listen and follow now at Foxtruecrime.com. Yeah, you're talking about the white bronco car chase. Right, everyone made their way to intelligence. I was in college. I was at Pepperdine.

Where were you? You were watching the New York Knicks? So I'm watching the Nick games because, as everybody knows, Knicks haven't won the World Championship until it's 1972. And the Patrick Ewing led Knicks are leading the Houston Rockets three games to two. One game from winning it all. and still while they're playing this epic battle this would last for ages to bet when centers really mattered in basketball more than any other position

people were watching according to the reporters there i was watching a sports bar but watching in the hall the chase and were leaving the game that's how crazy this was so um it went for a while because we didn't have cell phones back then and it was almost like word of mouth i mean you had time to make your way to a television. That's how long the car chase went on. You had time to hear about it and get to a television. Brian, you should watch that documentary.

It's five parts. So here's another part that I found fascinating about this. So you're a little older than me. I would imagine you remember O.J. the football player. I don't remember O.J. the football player. Because I'm a fan, of course, I know how good he was. But my first introduction was O.J. the celebrity. like O.J. the actor in Naked Gun, OJ, the commentator on television, football broadcasts.

They talk about two fascinating things in OJ's life. First of all, he did not align himself with the athletes of the 70s like Jim Brown and Kreme Abdul-Jabbar. He did not want to be a racial justice warrior. He wanted to be a post-racial celebrity. And there was actually some really fascinating analysis in this documentary. me like in that way he might have done more for black america than even the activist because he was the first black guy in like a toothpaste ad or in that famous hertz rental car ad and he was

doing things to break down racial barriers in america but then when he is tried for murder his attorneys like johnny cochran uh and as you pointed out Kardashian and shapiro they went to his house so the the judge was going to allow the jury to tour his home and the jury was overwhelmingly a black and they went through and they took down all the pictures of he and his family all the art that that was like quote unquote white and replaced the furniture with like instead of it being renaissance replica but more like you know something you might find in watts replace the art with like black artists you know they created an image of oj that was an oj to all of a sudden now become the social justice warrior that as you pointed out at the beginning becomes that

the beginning of this entire thing that we live with today of social justice. And you know that I hosted a show at Jim Brown, and we stayed friends with 25 years. And he was, before OJ. killed anybody, he would tell me, he's not who he appears. You think you're going to like, you would not like that guy. He'd say, Brian, he's not a good guy. He comes off nights. He goes, whatever you think of me, I'm me. He goes, and people would know him to play golf with him.

And he was getting sloppy. His words to me, he was getting sloppy with his drug use at the time, you know, doing Coke in front of fans. and seeing doing other things. And they saw that that side of him. Now, I didn't know about the domestic abuse. I don't know too many people that did. Maybe the other sportscaster friends did, you know, when OJ would be missing for a weekend

or the wives would talk to each other. But the fact that you can hear Nicole Brown saying, I know, you know, you know who he is and you know his with his records and he's coming over here and he's going to kill me. And she's actually saying this and then it happens and that adds to the unbelievableness of this whole thing, if that's a word, that he gets acquitted on it.

But what he meant is quite interesting. I would say this is that he had everything. And as a player, I never saw him play in person that I remember, but I did go to Chase Stadium a couple of times. I don't know if it was the Bills that I remember. But the grace in which he ran was unbelievable, especially because people were powering people over back then. And then you see this guy who looked like he was in a dance recital,

who was just so elusive and I also remember thinking of myself he's finally with a good team in San Francisco I wonder if he'll do well and he just had nothing left and at the end and he just made that instant transition to towering inferno

and he did movies in between and then he just sportscaster battle of the network stars and then we watched him with naked gun showed the sense of humor he was a guy everybody wanted to book everybody wanted to talk football with

that the players liked hanging around and the other thing is it kind of hurt Marcus Allen because Marcus Allen looked up to him was associated with him and now he's in the middle of this case and he had to take his high profile and just drop it and go listen I don't want to talk about it for a few years

and I got to know him from interviewing him after he was done couldn't be a nicer guy he's a Fox fan and after a while like in the beginning he's like I don't want to do any interviews he didn't do interviews for years because he didn't want this coming up I didn't know Marcus Allen was a fan of Fox.

That's awesome. I used to want to go to USC. When people say they watch me, they have to be a fan of Fox. But we have very similar athletic ability. That's just another entry into the example of your humility. People said they're a big fan, and you assume that it means Fox.

But in reality, it could very well be. It's just a big fan of Brian Kilme. My wife's a fan. My wife's a fan. The other day, she said, You know who's funny? Brian, he's funny. I belly laughed.

I said, he's not funny, not intentionally funny. So that hurts my feelings, and I now like your wife better, who I do not believe I have met. And I think that's, and now I know why. I know. Yeah, now you know why, exactly. Got to keep her away from Casanova. And let me just add, let me just add this.

I know this is his day of semi-morning, but The Rock used to like me better, until you walted into Fox, left ESPN. The Rock used to be the guy. I used to be his go-to guy. And now I lost the Rock too. Is that right? Yeah. Oh, is that right?

Yeah, but I'm gone now. I mean, is that, do you even talk to other people besides the Rock? Like, do you touch base every day? Oh, we texted 10. We texted 10 times today. You did not. That is unbelievable. You just text me and you just say, Brian Kilmeet says he knows you.

and just see what happens. I'm not going to do that. And I'm going to tell you why. I haven't texted him 10 times today. And the last text I sent him, I didn't get a response. So I feel like, you know when you don't get a response, now you start to feel like I don't know how many more that I can send before I feel desperate. So I've only got one or two left in me.

And if they don't get a response, then – so I'm not going to burn up one of my two on Brian. So I have one person in my life like that, and I overestimated my jelly roll. I overestimated my friendship. I go, we really hit it off. He goes, hey, buddy, take down my number. Let's keep in touch. I'm going to be coming through.

I got one text back, so it's 1 to 10. And I texted him, congratulations, as if he cares, of reward just to kind of start it up again. I got nothing. Wow. See, that's the play, right? 10 to 1, you're way over. You became the desperate friend.

Yeah, at this point, they're mocking. You became the desperate friend with jelly roll. Right. It's like, I got nobody else. He's probably like, don't you even talk to Ainsley and Steve and Lauren. Is there anybody else there? That's a funny thing. If I looked up

Kill Me Will Kane ratio right now, which one do you think that goes? What do you mean by that? Texts between us. Oh, me and you? I feel like, yeah, I haven't been put into the position of he's ghosting me,

but I'm going to say that it's two or three to one. Like, I'll send you something here and there and I get nothing in response. But I don't feel hurt about it and I know I'm going to get one eventually. And by the way, I'm a notoriously bad texter. People say I'm awful, and I think you might be worse.

Or maybe it's personal to me. Well, a couple of things like, I'll read it. I'll go, okay, that's interesting. I never think to myself I should answer or say that back to the person. Like when someone hit me here with a few things about O.J., I'm like, oh, that's interesting. I never thought to myself they were expecting me to say, hey, thanks, or, you know, because I just, you know, got to keep moving. Also, congratulations on the Will Kane show. So, I mean, this, you're in the audio business now.

We should, we have something else to bond with. I know. I know. And you just got Dallas for the Brian Kilmead show, I think, right? Or you're about to get Dallas. Well, I told you that in a break for a reason. I'm not supposed to talk about that? What is wrong with you? We can cut that. This isn't live. No, you can leave. May 6th, Dallas is going to get something special. Thank you. Well, appreciate it. I can trust you with anything.

I didn't know. No, no, no. It's going to come down to Dallas, too, for it. a special and I'm going to drag you out with me because I told them within a month I'm coming down there to celebrate going into Dallas see if they're going to embrace me. That was like you in text. You told me that that day and I was like, yeah, that's awesome.

That's interesting, but the details of the date and the speculative nature of it didn't register. Right. So I didn't know that I was crossing or shooting out of the gates too early. Just remind me a mental note, don't ever tell Will anything. Are you a big golfer?

You're big into Masters. You're big into golf. No, I mean, I've covered some major events, especially when they were out east on Long Island. I covered one Masters, I believe. But when I'm around you, I feel like you're talking about and you're interested in the live tour and a lot of these golf stars. But it doesn't come from a place, you're not a golfer.

You don't have time to golf. all the time. Well, put it this way. If I had a knack for it, like, I could play tennis. I'm not saying I'm great, but if you said to me, I'm a decent play you want to play, I would be able to play. My serve's not great, but I love tennis because you get hustle. With golf, you sit there and you go, what was I thinking? Like, what was my, where was my elbow? What was I, where was my back swing? Where were my feet? Nothing's natural about it. And I keep saying, you know, I've had some of the most impressive people give me lessons that you can imagine, and it just doesn't stick.

But I've been to the players, been to the players, sawgrass, some of the best courses. Why, you do? No, I'm very similar to you. Like, I actually wish I played golf. I would like to play golf. All my friends play golf, and I feel like I'm missing out. But this has been going on for 20 years, right? I remember back in law school, they'd go golf, and I'd be like, well, I'll do something else.

but you know over time you can't avoid it so i'll play once a year twice a year how are you how are you not good oh no but i'm not so bad either that i say i'm never doing this again i'm just good enough that i say you know if i gave a little time to this i might be respectable so i'm hoping but it's not good but well i'm also embarrassed i'm not good enough not to be embarrassed so i don't want to go with a bunch of guys who are playing serious golf if they're having beers, I'll go. If it's a course with just a couple of guys who also don't play it, I'll go. But I'm not doing country club fancy golf.

I'm embarrassed. So, Will, the other thing is we get invited to a lot of these events. They're like, hey, would you golf in my tournament? And some of them, you know, the rocks aren't going to call me anymore. You would at one point. But like, these people ask you to go. And I always go, are you doing something after? Can I give something to the silent auction?

But can you imagine if we're like Bill Hammer. Bill Hammer loves golf, goes to everything he's invited to. I know Tom Coughlin invited me to his tournament and it's in Pontevira where I have a house and I thought that would be perfect and I thought to myself, can't. I'll show up after. Give someone to sell an auction

because it would only lessen his view of me. I remember Greg Norman said to me, Brian, would you host my shark shootout? I go, great. He goes, so I want you to be in my force and we'll golf together and I go absolutely not. And he goes, no, no, I'll golf with you. I'll help you.

I go, nope. you have a certain opinion of me now, it will decrease exponentially if you see me go out. So I'd rather not date you because I know we're going to break up. So that's my theory. Yeah, I feel the same way. I feel the same way. I'm a no. Any of these like charities, celebrity, go?

Nope. I'm a no. Right. But I will tell myself, I'll tell myself, I will do this. When's the tournament? How long do I have? Could I get myself respectable before then? So here's my question for you, Kilmead, if you were invited to play Augusta,

Augusta, of course, the home course of the Masters, which everybody says, you know, that's the best, that's it, that's the top, right? Would you go? Would you take that invitation for a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to play Augusta? Not at the Masters, you know, some of the time. Okay, if it was a non-tournament thing where I could do it, where it's not one of those like those, what is it called, what Brett Bear plays in all the time? Does he play those celebrity things?

So if it was one of those where people aren't gathered around, I would do it. But I would probably need two months. And I would commit to playing five times a week. That'll be it. You could go. I think you and I might be golf partners. I didn't think so. Perfect match.

If I just knew where the ball was going, I could say, wow, what was that? You know, why did I try to bend it that? But I just have no idea where the ball is going. Oh, well, I'm pretty. I'm pleased when I get forward progression of the ball, even if it shanks, left or right. Like, I, it's the club face on ball that, that, I hate it when I, like, hit a lot of grass and it goes about four feet in front of me or something like that. That's what I'm embarrassed of. And I'll lose all the balls in the sleeve.

Well, the guy that I saw swimming with the Navy Seals, I am shocked that this is the type of game you have. To me, you're probably eminently coachable. And there's so many great golf instructors where you are in Texas. I can't believe you wouldn't take advantage of that. Because you know who asked me to golf with them? President Bush and Dan Rooney so I did that three years in a row

and I was able to go out with the president And you went out with President Bush? Yeah I did three times, three straight years because I would have a chance to talk to him after And that What did Bush think of you? He thinks I'm terrible and he's like if you say to him

I saw Brian Kilmead and he got and he said you guys golfed together before you could say together he'd go he is terrible so but he kept inviting me back at Dan Rooney of course the guy that I like so much that doesn't get appreciated until you meet him is George W. Bush. He has a great presence about him

underappreciated but probably not in Texas. They appreciate him in Texas. All right well even though you don't play golf I know you like the Masters. We've got the masters going on this weekend. The live players are back and it's just it's just teed off So, you know, I'm a big Scotty Sheffler fan now. That's the guy I root for in these kind of things. But, hey, by the way, you're, I can't pin you down either because you're a soccer guy, but you don't watch soccer.

And so I can't talk soccer with you. I know, it's crazy. I'll bring this up on this tour. This sport, it's not in trouble because it's got its base, but Liv coming in has really imploded this sport. And I'm friends with Greg Norman. and I know he's been ostracized to a degree, but he felt as though the PGA was not rewarding their players. It's too hard to break in.

They treat them like old single A baseball players before they actually make the tour. This gives them an additional opportunity. Maybe opens up the purse strings. Maybe makes the PGA better. But right now, they're in oblivion. I mean, what the hell is going on? I mean, live, there's a merger.

There is no merger. How do they come together? What is team sports? Why are they wearing shorts? Why don't I ever see a live tournament on television? Why doesn't anyone care? Where do they get $350 million to play a single golfer? But I just do think that there's got to be some type of change to the game to make it a little bit more intriguing.

I like it. But somebody step up and work this merger. What the hell is going on? Because we know these guys. We know Dustin Johnson. We know these guys. DeCambot. But where's the next generation?

If you're telling me the PGA's here and lives here, that means you're fracturing the audience even more. That means it's going to be harder to get fans involved with two tours. I know everyone says no one watches live. But if all the best players are here and you're going to continue not to give them points, they're going to have to cave at some point and let them have points. And I'm fascinated at where it's out right now. That's what I find intriguing because these players are going.

You know where the $350 million. You know where the money comes from. I mean, that's the Saudi Investment Fund. I mean, yeah. But has it makes sense? I'm with you. Well, it doesn't. I mean, the same way it's in the soccer world, it's like, it's not a capitalist enterprise.

And could I segue, wait a soccer for a second? Yeah. What I care about and what I think is so intriguing, I'm going to dive into this league sooner or later. By the way, I think Alex Ferguson is in a bar right across the street from us. Really? Sir Alex Ferguson, yeah. I got texted this morning, and I said, if he ever comes in, please let me know. Rod Stewart goes at that same bar.

We had a Christmas party there one time. I think you might remember. The musician, Rod Stewart? Yeah, Rod Stewart also. These guys are big soccer guys, and the guy who owns the bar is Irish. And every time they come in, they know to go there. It's a big soccer bar. Every soccer player knows they get treated like royalty when they go there and they get privacy.

So it's where Alex Ferguson's come in. Did Rod Stewart text you this morning? I wish he did. But the guy who owns the club did, and I had a chance to meet him, and he said, what we're going to do is going to work you in, and you're going to get to know him. Then you're going to ask the question, can you interview him? But what I find intriguing, and this is what people should care about, for the first time in my life, we were watching players, American players in their 20s, playing top-level international soccer.

Not just Polisic over in Italy, you're seeing them all around. People want a piece of them. we used to see at 32 years old Landon Donovan playing for Everton coming off the bench and now we're saying give me that 19 year old, 22 year old that's all the things that have to happen to compete also if there's anything good about our broken border you got to think some are soccer players

you know we're getting all of South America I mean we so you got to think some are soccer players and if not they're going to have kids born here that Pete Higgseth can race right as his own so we are increasing the threat of terrorism but on the other hand our soccer team it's going to get a little bit better we've got to get a lot better the Venezuelans with the neck tattoo you looked in you had great ball skills maybe we can reform you what position did you play outside back and and midfield it is time to take the

quiz it's five questions in less than five minutes we ask people on the streets of new york city to play along. Let's see how you do. Take the quiz every day at the quiz. dot box. Then come back here to see how you did. Thank you for taking the quiz. So like full back, outside back, like right or left back? It's a 70s term full back.

And then... Yeah. I could use my left foot. I was a player just solid at best. Division 2. All my friends were Division 1, great players. I was from a huge town of Division 1 soccer players. Fast? Not yet. I was just gaining foot speed

when I had to stop playing. I'm going to be like Tom Brady. Tom Brady outran at 46 years old. He outran his 40 when he was in the combines. So I'm going to work on tech. Did you say not yet like you're about to start getting fast? Exactly. I don't want to give up.

Like you're just turning the corner? That's what I'm saying. I don't want to give up. I'm not saying the verdict's in yet. I'm saying that right now you don't want me on your team, but I might work on it. How old are you? How old do you think I am? I looked it up last weekend or the weekend before, so I know how old you are.

I'm working on my speed now. How fast are? 59 years old. How fast? Are you fast? Not yet. 59. Not yet. I'm going to get that. Hey, listen, Tyson's fighting Jake Paul. If he wins that fight, that'll inspire me to go back playing. I'm going to explore my eligibility. All right. Last thing with Brian Kilmeetier, I am fascinated with what you have to say about this. So Caitlin Clark explodes the ratings in Women's College. basketball, Brian. 18 million people watch the final, more than watch the men's national championship final. What will happen? Did she just raise the floor for women's college basketball? I don't think so. Clay Travis said it's the Ronda Rousey effect. Once she's gone, women's college basketball will

come back down to earth. I think that is true. The question is, will she now have the same ratings effect on the WNBA? Will she bring new attention in the same way she did to women's college basketball to professional basketball? Okay, number one, you know, I don't have to feign interest in women's sports. I've always pulled for them from

day one, and I have two daughters play college style, one still playing, one just finished. I and I coached it. I'm just as into it, so I don't have to fake while I hope women wish them the best. They play a different style of play. Got it. Understand. So I was

I was there, and I think you know, is this why you brought me to this? Because one of the things they did at New Sport, they said, okay, we're going to give everyone beats. I go, okay, everyone wants baseball and football. I said, give me boxing, give me soccer. They laughed, and I said, you can give me women's basketball. And it was the emergency Yukon, Gino, Oriama, Rebecca Lobo, and Jen Rosati, Carol Walters, who was actually taller than Reca Lobo. And I watched the way they played, and I watched the place sell out. And I watched the passion, which they had, guys going as crazy as the women, students for them. And I go, this has arrived.

And I looked at Tennessee, Pat Summitt. I saw what she did as a player and a coach. I go, this sport has arrived. The rivalry is here. I watched Gina OREM is so disappointed that St. John doesn't put their program together because we need a big team in New York. And I go, this has arrived. I was shocked that after the Olympics, it just kind of went down, not at Stores, Connecticut,

not at Tennessee, maybe not in South Carolina, but it didn't catch on. Then they watched the WNBA, and no one promoted. votes it. Nobody has, nobody's out at the, at the CYOs and the, uh, and the youth league saying, go to the game tonight. So Madison Square Garden, they literally had nobody at the liberty and they all are absorbing losses until they decide giving it some attention. Know what they have to do is back to the wide world of sports thing. Why do we care, why do we care about these players fighters? Because we used to watch and I'm older than you, obviously, uh, Howard Cosell tell me about these fighters. Tell me about these players.

He got me to care about it. And then when I watched them, I cared. Sell me about people other than Caitlin Clark. These people got great stories. Sell me about them. Then when they match up, I'm ready to go. You know who's done this brilliantly? UFC.

If you put on ESPN, they tell me about these fighters, 15 minutes and 15 minutes. And next thing, you know, I'm caught up. I watch that guy. I got to care about the players, and they have great stories. They all don't have to be the best. But what Caitlin Clark has got to do with Rebecca Lobo didn't. She was not a dominant player in the next level. Lisa Leslie was.

So she's got to find a way to dominate. If she becomes a Freddie Adieu in soccer, if she becomes somebody that has trouble getting off the bench, in basketball you can't hide. So when she's not hitting any shots, if he can't get a shot off, she's not quick enough. I think she is. She's going to be great. You think so? No, she's, yes, she's legit.

She's good. She's going to be great in the WNBA. I don't know. Well, listen, I'm with you. I used to have this debate, Brian. So, first of all, I'm with you on stories. That's why we watch. That's why we care.

We want stories. But that being said, I used to have this debate on ESPN all the time that with women's athletes, advocates, like, they would say the reason that there's not more attention on women's sports is it doesn't get the media attention. And it's like a little bit of a tail wag the dog, like her chicken or egg thing. Like, do you need an audience to be there for the media industry around it to want to be there? Or is it vice versa? And I just don't know. I think Caitlin is, I forget who has the top pick. It's the Indiana team.

I just don't know what they're called. Yeah, I don't know either. But I think there's a built-in mechanism that makes you care about the Tennessee lady volunteers, the lady voles, the Yukon lady huskies, the lady longhorns. The people care in a collegiate environment. And they don't care about the New York Liberty, the Dallas wings, the Chicago sky. And, okay, how do they start to care? I hear you on the stories. part of it. They need a star. They need more stars like Caitlin Clark, but I'm a little pessimistic

on like this is going to be a big moment for the WNBA. I would say this. I mean, they got to do the grind work that soccer had to do for years. They would go into the clubs. They'd have the players go in and say, I want you to meet the center forward with the Cosmos. I want you to meet the such as the rapids. And they'd go in and be part of the community. And next thing you know, that player, you don't give the tickets away, but you give them certain passes. You do the things that they do in youth sports. You bring the players down there and the eight-year-olds. get to play against eight-year-olds before the game and after the game. And then these kids sign autographs, and you get the autograph signed for them,

and you sign the balls for them, and then you create these relationships. It's grassroots. You pay them a little bit more. The NBA pays better, but you have to just tell these ladies, you are football when college football in the 60s. You are soccer in the 70s. He goes, I even know it doesn't seem fair, you just got to go sell this thing. Whoever thought UFC, I did the first four, would be one of the hottest sports in the country.

They would go out and to meet the people, they would go sign the autographs, they'd meet the fans, they'd be accessible in the gyms. I would go back and do that. Go out and earn it. Tell the stories. And I would say the other thing to bring up, I need girls to watch girls women play sports. They have to watch. A hundred percent. Yes.

Get the women, get the moms. Yes. You can't ask, you can't just have it. be the men saying, hey, you need to watch women's sports too. Where are the women watching women's sports? Right. Yeah, my daughter says to me, would you bring me to the garden for a Nick game? She never says bring me to the Liberty game.

She played soccer all through high school. And I go, wow, that's interesting. You know, the Warriors coming into town. And, you know, part of it is they're not anywhere. I mean, I would put the posters in the schools. You know how to do it. Marketing people watching us right now, they know how to do it. They were selling indoor soccer for a while by going out to these teams.

and, hey, that's the guy that came to my practice. That's the woman that came over and told me how to shoot. You know, we used to see what's like Collie Lloyd still runs clinics. In the beginning was get the word out about the national team. You used to have open practices, invite the clubs down to watch them practice. Then the coach would turn around and have a coaches club meeting with all the local coaches and the national team coaches to talk to them. Many people go, well, I'm above that.

Not really. You know, you're not, it's not that big. There's only a soccer and basketball. It's your eighth. You're nice. Hockey. It's got to work harder than NBA. Sorry.

Doesn't mean you're less of an athlete. Tell lacrosse players. These are the best athletes in the world. We've got the best lacrosse players who win the world championships. Guess what? They've got to have other jobs. It's just the way it is. Right.

Right. You're not LeBron James. It's not the NBA. That's a great analogy. You've got to compare yourself to lacrosse or soccer of the 70s. Yeah. And that's how you build up. It just means this is the American appetite right now in sports.

I mean, I hear in Ireland, they're watching men's fields. hockey. All right? So I'm not going to, but I appreciate their culture. They have men's field hockey? Yeah. I thought that was lacrosse. I thought field hockey was for girls.

Scotland? Oh. Right. No, they'll play field hockey. And think about it. Why is it, girls? And why is that stick so small? I mean, has everyone got scoliosis?

You bent over so much. I mean, can you give them a normal size stick? You're exactly right. You're so hunched over. That's got to be bad for your back. Absolutely. And by the way, do you have a fall on turf, on field hockey turf? We used to practice on it sometimes. It will tear your whole epidermis off. Why they do this to people? Why is that stick so small? Can you lengthen it? All right. Ryan Kilmead, what a wonderful mess as it always is. Right. One of my favorites. Why did you have me on OJ? Check out. OJ's dead.

Why did I have you on OJ? No, you know you had me just to be a bit. I put a bow on it. We started with OJ. Let's end with OJ. OJ. Dead. 74. Yeah. There's the bow on it.

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