Will Cain Country - Cain On Sports: What Is Going On With Dak In Dallas?

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

Story #1: It's Opening Weekend for the 2024 MLB season! Could you name the top 10 most popular players by jersey sales? Story #2: With the Texas Longhorns now in the SEC, Will and OutKick's Barrett Sallee determine who's who in the conference by frat personas. Story #3: What is going on in Dallas? What is going on with Dak?   Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, it's Major League Baseball opening day, the opening weekend of the 2024 season. Could you name the top 10 most famous players in Major League Baseball by Jersey sales? Two, Texas is now in the SEC. Can we figure out who's who in the SEC if you were in a frat? Who's Texas, who's Georgia, who's LSU? And three, what's happening with that? Something's happening. What's happening in Dallas?

It's the Will Cain Show on Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel on the Fox News Facebook page, streaming live Monday through Thursday, 12 o'clock Eastern Time, and always on demand at Apple, Spotify, or on YouTube. Just hit subscribe. Today is a sports exclusive, Canaan Sports, Sports. edition of the Wilcane show. Yesterday, I got to go to Globe Life Field for opening day for the Texas Rangers, the World Series champion Texas Rangers. And I'm more into baseball than I've been in the better part of a decade. Earlier this week on the Wilcane show, we had

AJ Prisinski, the former World Series champion, an all-star catcher, and Fox Sports Baseball analyst on the Wilcane show to talk about, hey, is baseball healthy? or is baseball sick? And AJ and I walk through some various issues in baseball to see if its arrow is pointed up or arrow is pointed down. AJ brought up the lack of national stars. He said that baseball is a regional sport. And that certainly is the case for me. I can name for you the top, not just the entirety of the Rangers starting pitching rotation,

but their lineup. And I can even name, I don't know if I could do the top 10. I could probably do the top 10 prospects in the Texas Rangers minor league farm system from pitchers like Owen White and Jack Leiter to Kumar Rocker and Brock Porter to field players like Justin Foskew. And the guys will be on rookie of the year race this year, Evan Carter and Wyatt Langford. I can do that deep for my team for the Texas Rangers. But I don't know that I could name the 10 biggest players in baseball, the biggest stars.

by jersey sales. So could you? Let's start today with a little MLB quiz, with story number one. Can we name the biggest stars in baseball? Baseball is notorious that Mike Trout's been the biggest star for the last decade. And we used to play a game on the Will Cane show on ESPN, call up your buddy and ask them who Mack Trout was. Sports fans, friends, and very few could pass who is Mike Trout. But could I do it today? Could I name the biggest stars by jersey sales in Major League Baseball, despite how NIA am on the Texas Rangers? And what that reveals about it being a regional sport, what do even I know about it as a national sport? So we'll bring in the crew two a days, Dan Young, Establishment, James, and Tinfoil, Pat.

They're going to run me through a quiz, see if I can get the top 10 jersey sales in Major League Baseball. Ready, fellas? Ready to do it. All right. So you name a player. who you think is in the top 10 right now. I have the list in front of me. This is from 2023, the most popular jerseys being sold.

So what do you think would go in that list? All right. Number one I can get, it's got to be Shohei Otani is in the top 10. That's number one. He's in the top. He obviously, the angels at that point. So, yeah, he's number one on that list. Okay.

It would be like family feud where you just kind of guess and, you know. Yeah. Yeah. We'll come in, survey says, comes in at, number four. But I actually think I have the top two down pretty easily. I think Otani was one and I think Aaron Judge is number two. New York Yankees, Aaron Judge. That's incorrect. He's actually on that list pretty close, but he's not number two. Do you want me to give you where he is actually on the list? Yes. He's number three on that list. Aaron Judge,

very high, which I thought, but he's number three and not number two. Okay, but I'm so far doing pretty well. Two guesses. But this is where it actually peters out for me. This is where he gets more difficult. Okay. I am going to say Jose Al Tuve is in the top 10. That's correct. Jose Altuve is. He is a little higher up.

He is number six. I'm kind of surprising that one because he's a pretty controversial guy being on the Astros. But he's number six on that list. Astros are really popular. Big fan base. Big fan base in Houston. And such that I'm tempted to also offer up. Alex Bregman.

Yeah. And I think seeing but seeing but since I'm since I'm since I'm since I'm since I'm since I'm since I'm since I'm since I'm since I'm going to be struggling for even names. I am going to say Bregman is also in the top 10. He is.

He's down at number nine but he's still making the top 10. He's a likable player. I get that one. All right. I'm four for four so far. We're good. We're new. Well,

I got to think big markets. Um, I got to think Dodgers and Yankees. I think. Or I need to think international stars like, oh, Connie, but I've got to go Dodgers. I don't know, Bellinger Betts. I'm going, Mooky Betts is top 10.

Ooh, baby. Yep, number five, Mooky Betts is on that top list. He's in the top five, which I'm not surprised about. He's a great player. Dodgers, L.A., you know. I'm five for five, and I didn't get number two, though, so far. Nope. The second biggest jersey sale in Major League,

baseball this is going to get way way tougher for me um got at one time i would have said clayton kershaw as well but i don't know he said such on the back end of his career but how much like residual fame continues to drive jersey sales um who's the yankees guy outside of judge that would be the most popular uh i'll say i'm a little surprised at number two um you know he's he had a historic season yeah he had an historic season he's a great player pretty big market good team

you're gonna you're gonna kick your center I don't know yeah I am I'm not going for him just yet but I've got to think that despite the fact that he's like the biggest star that no one knows he makes the top 10 I have to think Mike Trout's in the top 10

he is Mike Trout's number 10 list he's there i mean it's just tough he's on a crappy team but it's probably the oldest player on that list too yep he is been around i'm doing way better than i would have i knew you would see you were down on yourself but i knew you would do this well because looking at this list is not surprising at all except a couple i wouldn't have gotten pregnant so i'm impressed one of them is one of them is a rookie of the year yeah you would know him will because he's in your division oh i was going to oriole's direction there for a minute um but i don't think the orio's or a rookie would put a jersey in the top 10 in the division

um i mean you want to stick with the astros mariners uh do you play him do you play mow be the show at all the video game okay never he won it he did very well in the home run derby I'm almost just for establishment, James. I want to say George Kirby. No, we're not going on that. I'm a picture. Everybody's talking about the Mariners rotation. Right team. Right.

Everybody's talking about the Mariners rotation. Everybody's talking about your boy, who you ran into high school at one time. He shoved into a locker up in Westchester. He'd together for 10 years. Worked out every day. It doesn't count. It's my best friend. Remember when he bullied me up on the luncheon?

Mariner's home run hitter I don't know I don't know yeah I don't I don't know so I'm gonna just to venture see if I can get I'm gonna say Kershaw's in the top 10 still he's not he's not in the top 10

let's see he's not even The pitchers The pitchers have trouble making these lists Not many pictures like a lot less pitchers Even I'm looking at the top 22 And there's not a lot of pitchers I don't know why, but they don't seem to make the top in Jersey sales. I don't know why that is.

Because you would think, honestly, you'd think Verlander would be up there as well. I would bet you in the early 2000s, late 90s. You have Clemens, Johnson, Pedro. No doubt. I bet you those guys were cleaning up. You still see Randy Johnson jerseys around. Yeah, that's true. I think DeGrom joining a new team would have been big.

There's no Garrett Cole on this list. Oh, Garrett Cole, yeah, that was, that's the Yankee. have picked okay so i'm i'm i'm running dry in the last four so let's do a thing you you give me a name i'll say you get if they're in or out don't give me just true give me some falses in there as well see if i can get him all right let's go with uh freddie freeman do you think they're in or out the top ten Atlanta braves was a dodger right um so a lot of fame there I'm gonna go freddie Freeman is in nope he's number 11 just out of the top 10 but he's He's up there. He's a big, he's a big time one there. All right, we're going to go with, how about Fernando Tatis Jr.

Oh. Yeah. I should have thought about. Oh. That's who I was thinking you would think of. Oh, also Juan Soto's. But so, yeah. Fernando Tatis Jr., no, Juan Soto, yes. No, Fernando Tatis Jr. is number four on the list. Really? Yeah, he's huge. kids love him. Why I asked about MLB the show. He was on the cover of it last year. You know, he's a big player. People love him. Yeah, yeah. And Soto is not in the top

10. Soto's not in the top 10. Juan Soto is not in the top 20. When did he get, did he play the full last year with the Padres? Yeah, I don't know. He created mid-season or before, okay. All right, let's go with another player. What do you think about Francisco Lindor?

The Mets. Popular player. Um, well, that's New York. Mm-hmm. Is he their marquee player with the Mets? I'll go yes on the door. No, he's number 19 on the list. You throw me a lot of curveballs here.

Throwing some curve balls here. Soon or later, it's got to be a true. It's got to be a true. All right. Let's go with Julio Rodriguez. Seattle Mariners. Is that the, the Mariners guy you're talking about? There we go.

There we go. he's number seven this is like filling in it's like filling in answer bubble on the SAT sooner or later C is right so I'm going to go yes he's number seven he's number seven on the list what about a Bryce Harper

oh gosh yes how did I forget Bryce Harper yes he's top 10 he's not even in the top 20 really yeah I'm on MLB shop dot com like I'm looking at the the jersey sales

maybe that maybe this is a maybe this list is all messed up because they're trying to sell out inventory probably they're messing with us maybe how is price harper not top 10 i don't know that's he's got it that was very surprising to me um did you guys ever fill out a test where you just filled out see the whole way you didn't know so you're just like i'm just going to go see and see what grade i get on the multiple choice little did you guys even have scantrons are you too young do you even know what i'm talking about i did i did for the little scantrons yeah yeah i was homeschooled you just find the

smartest kid in the class you get the same yeah exactly all right give me the rest of the top 10 i'm out what who did i miss all right so number two you missed ronald cunia junior from the atlanta braves he was number two on that list one more brave there yeah um then we had i thought we had a pre-show conversation and he was brought up and somebody said he wasn't so wasn't going with him so i so i said that pre-show conversation and i didn't think he was but i was wrong completely about that so that's my bad All right. Number eight. So I'm missing number eight. Yep. We have another brave. Matt Olson is on that list.

Oh, gosh. Never. Never would have gotten it. Yeah, me either. And then number nine is the other one I didn't get? No, we did. Number nine was Bregman. Oh, all right. Not bad. Not bad. No a few stars in Major League Baseball. There's your top 10 jersey sales. I don't know if you could get them, but I'm going to give myself a passing grade. I don't even feel bad about the ones that I didn't get, except for. maybe Ronald O'Cunia, Jr. But that one, that I was given bad information, which ruined my guessing. All right, coming up, Texas in the SEC, let's talk about who these stereotypes are in the

SCC, the various teams in the conference and who they are in your frat. And do we like the new rules in the NFL? Do we like banning the hip drop tackle and changing the kickoff? Should we just get rid of kickers? Let's do that next with outkicks, Barrett Sally. Why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a space that does it all for you, no matter the size? Whether you're taking over your parents' basement or moving to campus, IKEA has hundreds of design ideas and affordable options to complement any budget. After all, you're in your small space era. It's time to own it. Shop now at IKEA.ca.

Let's have some fun with the SEC, which one of these schools are what guy in your first? It is the Will Cane show streaming live Monday through Thursday, 12 o'clock Eastern time at Fox News.com and the Fox News YouTube channel and Facebook page. The Canaan Sports Edition, like every other episode in full air in part, is available for subscription. Free subscription. Just hit subscribe. When I say subscription, I want to be clear. You don't pay anything. Just hang out with the Will Cane show on YouTube or on Apple or on Spotify.

He is the host of the Covered and Smothered podcast. columnist at Outkick, and I'm glad to have him hanging out today on the Will Cane Show. It is Barrett Sally. He's a columnist at Outkick, and you can catch him as the college football, smothered and covered podcast. It is Barrett Sally on the Will Cane Show. What's up, Barrett? Oh, man, just cranking through an offseason, trying to keep kids out of trouble.

You know, driving is an issue a little bit for these kids, driving with expired license and things like that. So hopefully nothing bad happens with some of these kids in the college football world. Happy to be on with you. It's a pleasure to be on your show, big fan, and looking forward to this conversation. You're referencing, I think, Georgia. And people are talking about some of the stuff

that's going on with the Bulldogs. Is there a cultural problem at Georgia? I mean, I don't like to extrapolate off of a few situations and there's always kids they get into trouble. It's always a question, though, as well. Is it some kind of reflection of a bigger problem? Is it a cultural problem at Georgia? I don't think it's a cultural problem.

I think I call it an incident. program, right? There's just incidents that happen over and over again because like some of these are driving with a suspended license or improper use of a moped or things like that. So, you know, there are the more serious ones, obviously the tragic death of an offensive line and Devon Willock and Chandler LeCroy, a recruiting staffer last year. So those are serious, obviously. But growing up around the state of Georgia, I had a lot of friends that go to Athens. Athens PD, they make their money off traffic stops. that is that is big business for them so you know it it is a georgia player problem because it keeps

happening over and over again but i think more importantly it's just what happens in athens whether it be big things or small things a lot of kids get into trouble doing stuff like this so no i don't think it's a cultural problem kirby has addressed it um he addressed it actually this week uh as well so you just have to you can kind of move on from these things and try to educate players as much you possibly can but i mean will i know i did i don't know about you but i know I made some stupid mistakes when I was in college. I'm still making them, Barrett. I'm still making them.

I don't even want to talk about which of those violations I might be guilty of as we speak. Your knowledge of Georgia, your knowledge of the SEC, I kind of want to lead into that. So, of course, my school, Texas Longhorns, knew to the SEC next year. And I was thinking about how Texas fits into the SEC, Barrett. And it's interesting. A lot of Texas kids are starting to go to SEC schools. my brother went to Auburn as you did back in the day so he's he's a tiger war eagle but a lot of kids choosing Auburn a lot of kids choosing Georgia and it got me thinking to like who is what like

how do different schools fit into the SEC and I'll just tell you like as Texas comes in if we were saying you know the entire conference is your fraternity Texas is your frat brother that comes in with a big last name. His daddy's wealthy. He's entitled. Um, and I'm a fan and I'm a longhorn, but I know who I am. I know who we are. That's Texas. And so it's going to rub some people the wrong way in the SEC. I'm sure. Give me who like my perception, my brother have gone, having gone to Auburn and then of course relationship with Alabama. I think of Auburn as like the middle child, like the forgotten brother, the maybe the little bit bitter but quiet frat brother.

Who is like, give me some who these guys are, who these schools are in the SEC. Well, you mentioned Texas and how they're, the frat brother that comes in with the big name and everything. And like looking back at my college career, that guy, you know, that kind of frat brother can go in two directions, right?

He can become something, something big, you know, CEO, things like that. get his stuff together, use his connections to become someone in power, or they could be spoiled, they could go downhill in a hurry, drop out of college, and never be heard from again. And I think Texas is the former. Like I think a couple years ago, I would have said Texas is not ready for the SEC. Like when it was announced in 2021, I said Texas is not going to be ready for the SEC because Texas was sort of spinning its wheels and has been spending its wheels for a decade. But when Texas went to Alabama and played better SEC football than Alabama, because that's what it did.

You know, they won in the trenches. When that happened, granted, Alabama's offensive line has not been good. But that told me this team's ready. And it's because of Steve Sarkese. He understands, you know, how to win in the SEC, how to build a roster, how to build a roster in this day and age, which is completely different than it was five years ago. So, yeah, I think right now Texas is ready to be, I think, George's biggest threat, not only this year, but maybe moving forward because of the talent that Sark has access to, how he operates both from a financial perspective and from a transfer portal perspective. And so, yeah, I think Texas is going to be that new kid on the block, that new frat brother that uses his connections and becomes something really great. You mentioned Auburn. To me, I feel like Auburn, it has detached itself.

a little from Alabama because when Cam got there in 2010 and they won a national title, I think suddenly folks realized, hey, Auburn can win playing the way Auburn does, being what Auburn is. It's not Alabama's little brother. It's more like a little cousin where, yeah, sometimes they do things their way and they're successful and that's awesome, but they're still kind of in that shadow. But I think that if we're going to talk more about some of these, LSU is just the drunk frat brother that sometimes has an amazing night like that's just one of those things where sloppy passed out by 11 o'clock midnight uh but sometimes pukees and rallies and has himself a great time um so that that's kind of how i look like uh how i think of lSU i think

georgia right now is just it's it's the school president it's the frat the president of the fraternity it's the dude who makes all a's it's the dude that can do nothing wrong and i know last year was last year. Yeah, they lost in the SEC championship game. In other situations, it probably still would have made the college football playoff. But the chips fell where they were and Georgia didn't deserve a spot. But that doesn't take away from what it's become. Because it's, it's still a dynasty. I know that like if we're talking the word dynasty, I always view the word dynasty is like this is a group, a family of rulers. So you can't lose and still be ruling. But George is still kind of ruling college football right now.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. George's a dynasty. And LSU is, I don't know that he's out or out, he's out of the game early, but he's definitely the one that you're worried about is going to embarrass you tonight. He, but he could be a great time without a doubt, but he's going to get sloppy before this night's over. And Texas, I think you're right. First of all, Texas is set up.

I mean, the talent on campus is getting incredible and getting, maybe not quite there, but getting to the level of Georgia. And I just think the quarterback handoff from Quinn Ewers to Archmanning is going to set Texas up for a good four or five year run at the beginning of joining the SEC. By the way, I have like a thousand dollar bet. I have a second bet. I can't remember. But we went double or nothing this off season that I have a thousand dollar bet that Texas

will win the SEC within the first five years. I feel really good about that bet. my brother-in-law, who is Arkansas slash Texas Tech. You're going to win that. You're going to win that. I'm going to win that. Texas was the dude that was snort and coke and saying, do you know who my dad is? But, you know, he got threatened that the trust fund's going to dry up.

There will be nothing waiting for him. And he got his act together. And you're right. So now he's going to inherit the company and he's going to run the company. um a and m's weird because like a and m is texas's cousin that probably comes from oil wealth as well but that side of the family never left the farm never left the ranch and so they're still um you know kind of weird and

definitely rednecky and i love a nm for what it's worth i actually places a cult definitely weird but help me understand who like a and m is that dude at the attorney and you're like um I love that he hunts and fishes, but he's always, he's doing something weird at the campfire at night. Like, why is he, he's going to break out his guitar and sing again? Like, what is he doing? But distinguish A&M for me from Mississippi State. Because I think of Mississippi State also is like, he's the redneck and the frat.

Well, Texas A&M is the tryhard, right? Texas A&M is, like you said, bringing a guitar around a campfire but really sucks at guitar, right? he's really trying hard to meet the right girl or to borrow, but he doesn't have any game, right? Like that's kind of where Texas A&M is. Now, sometimes things work out. Sometimes he stumbles across a great song and people are entertained. Sometimes he gets lucky.

Like, whatever. That is, to me, Texas A&M is full of potential. Like, from a football perspective, like it's one of the few programs, and UCLA is in this, and Arizona state's in this group where I just thought I want to grab them and shake him and be like, why aren't you better than what you are?

you could be so much better and you know they they just there's it's almost like they they try really hard to take steps that are i guess going to pay off in the immediate future or they think will but they never think long term and that's why they got in trouble with the jimbo thing so they got in trouble with the mansells like it's they they're always taking a small step in the wrong direction even when they're moving forward which is like like when they got manzel in the SEC. So yeah, I mean, it's a difficult life if you're a Texas A&M fans because you're always so full of hope and you just get that rugpole all the time. And sometimes it's the fault of Texas A&M. A lot of times it is the administrative side. But, you know, it's it's got to be frustrated. For Mississippi

State, I redneck is not what I view written Mississippi State. I view Mississippi State as that drunk, fun uncle that you're always going to have a good time with, no matter what. like you are got he's going to annoy everybody around you he's going to embarrass you sometimes but it's a fun kind of embarrassment right um because i love mississippi state fans i love mississippi state a starkville it is a great place it is so much fun to go there and yeah they want their football team to win but i when it terms to when it comes to winning the party both of those mississippi schools do that better than anybody else in the sec but i i didn't know that about Starkville I didn't so that's good for me to know um you know who's a mystery to me

i want to do a few more schools a mystery to me is old miss because here's my perception of old miss it's like hottie toddy right it's like southern too proper like wearing the they wear they get dressed up right in like their sunday best i think do that for games um but then i think of it for games yeah but i think of you know miss so I have a theory. It's not a theory, but you've got two types of schools in almost every state. You've got the flagship institution, which becomes a little bit like the T-Sips, the Texas fan. That's from Dallas and Houston, all the proper places, all the right private schools or whatnot. And then you've got the land grant college, right? And that's a little more down-to-earth, you know, small-towners. And that's Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. That's what that is. That's Texas and Texas A&M. That's Auburn and Alabama. And that's Ole Miss and Mississippi State. But I was also Like somebody said this recently to me, they said, Ole Miss is Texas Tech, like, easy to get into academically. So they were more talking about, like, not known as a great academic institution.

So I'm having trouble reconciling who is Ole Miss. From a academic standpoint, yeah, maybe you can say Texas Tech. I think from a personality standpoint, I would think they're more SMU. If you're going to talk about schools that you're familiar with in Texas, area um very prim not prim proper uh preppy is the right way to go until yeah they get the girls get dressed up in prom dresses for football games against alcorn state and they have and that's great it's awesome if you haven't been to the grove go to the grove it's a can't miss uh tailgaining experience for sure uh dudes in pastel button ups with white visors tilted a little bit to the side

you know that's that's how they roll and that's great they own it it's awesome um so yeah uh when you're right about the state schools and they sort of have that air of superiority and they have that at Ole Miss and to an extent maybe they should at times based on the football success or based on the academics they compare it to Mississippi State and whatever um but to me the the attitude of the fans is is exactly like it is perceived nationwide which is a good thing because that they own it and it is awesome so um from a from a comparing it to texas tech from an academic perspective i okay yeah maybe i could see that i don't really know a whole lot about the academic situation at old miss i know i have some friends that went there and they are great dudes and they somehow made

it through there without failing i'm and because i don't know how that is yeah maybe that does make sense because i know for a fact if i did what they did i would not be graduated well that's i mean I don't think Old Miss and Texas Tech, because Texas Tech is not preppy and not prim and proper. And for the record, I don't know that I've ever met a dude that went to Tech that I didn't like. Like, tech dudes are awesome guys. But there's two other schools that I wanted to ask about. One is Tennessee, and I lived outside of Knoxville for about five months during COVID. And I grew very fond of the whole state of Tennessee.

but I don't really know like the stereotype of Tennessee it's kind of hard to peg because they have become so cynical right um about 10 15 years ago toward the I guess it was more like 20 now because I guess we're old dudes now but towards the end of the former years in the beginning of the Derek Doolander era era like it's one of those things where they they thought they should win they thought they should run college football just like Texas A&M does right like they they really thought that And then it just kept, the follies just kept coming on and on top of each other.

Oh, I got it. Building and building and building. I got it. Yeah. Good looking dude. Good looking dude that was killing it in the fraternity, but he started balding a little bit earlier than everybody else, and his confidence is shattered. Yes, ate too much pizza, drank too much Bushlight. Yes, that's 100%.

That's what Tennessee is. And now, to me, and look, I love Tennessee fans. And Vol fans on Twitter, they call themselves Vol Twitter. they are the best at interneting. I mean, they are awesome. They, right now, they, it's like one of the, that guy, that guy that went balding, you know, he drank too many bush life. I'd say right now Tennessee, he took Ozempic.

And now he's starting to look little. Now he's starting to feel it a little bit. He maybe got some hair plugs and he's looking pretty good and, you know, walks into the divorcee bar at age 48, 49, 50 and is like, dang, I'm, I'm a, I'm a 10. among these people so i'm back i think that i'm back and and look Tennessee is back to an extent when was the last time Tennessee was relevant in

football like it's it's been t martin literally since 2007 and now pretty darn good and might get better yeah because josh ibel's a good coach um okay last one this kind of ties into um it's part cc part acc and it ties into that two types of schools you know which kind of

which one i don't know that it defies my my breakdown of state by state but and and i'm getting a little inside knowledge because my nephew plays football uh offensive line for clemson and clemson south carolina is interesting because it's the opposite you would think clemson is the sort of like prestige institution and south carolina is the is the public school that you know is default for too many people but it's the opposite like south carolina is the one where you know i don't know all the kids from Columbia or wherever it is, maybe even Charleston, you know, want to go and be part of society. And Clemson was the Ag School, the engineering school. They were Auburn. They're,

they're A&M. But because they sound like a private school, Clemson, and because they're not good at football, it's seen externally outside of South Carolina as the opposite of what it actually is. You know what? You mentioned Clemson and Auburn. And I went to Auburn and I'm almost positive the same architect design the both campuses from a landscape and architectural standpoint. And they call it Auburn with a lake. And my comparison to Clemson is you're exactly right. They're the exact same school. The only difference is that when Auburn was good, when Auburn has been good, Alabama has as well. Clemson doesn't have to deal with that with South Carolina. Because if if Alabama wasn't there, Auburn would have won multiple national championships just like Clemson did.

it's the exact same thing just in a little bit of a different location that makes it a lot easier to become notable if you're Clemson and that's great like they've taken advantage of that and I love Davosweeney he's done done things there that they've craved for so long exactly like what was the case at Auburn before Cam Newton got there so yeah I mean I think that the comparison between the two is completely accurate I think the one difference in that state is that South Carolina University of South Carolina is nowhere close to what Alabama is so Clemson it's a lot of easy to for them to sort of become that most the most notable program, not in that state, but really in the ACC and really along the Atlantic coast at that point. You know, I'm a big fan of Shane Beamer, big fan, and I think he has South Carolina headed in a good direction. I am fascinated by, and I've thought about this as well, the schools you'd like to shake and say you should be better. You said A&M, you said UCLA.

I don't know. Do you think South Carolina is that, like, or is there a ceiling on what Shane Beamer can do at South Carolina. And we don't have to get caught up too much in South Carolina. Like, what are the other schools that you're like, wow, that's a brand, that's a recruiting base. That is a state where you could and should be better than what you've produced at UCLA. Yeah, I mean, I think with South Carolina, it's, they were so bad for so long. I mean, I'm talking like a century, literally more than a century.

They were horrible. And the fan base never wavered. got bigger and to me that support says something and when they got good with with stephen garcia and then clowny and laddimore and all those guys then yeah they saw hey we could be a top five team but they just haven't been to repeat it they've sort of been one or two steps behind everybody else so now in this new look SEC and what will eventually become the aFC NFC of college football which is you know kind of where we're headed south keralina i think missed its window a little bit because those late Spurrier years, like I think when Spurrier retired,

that was like the worst possible thing for that program because he could have groomed the next coach and he didn't. And then everything fell apart. And I think the ceiling for South Carolina, to me anyway, will be moving forward, hey, flirtation with the 12 or 14 team playoff in a couple of years and mostly just an eight or nine win team at best and a lot of times six and six and i think for south carolina you have to kind of take a step back for the fan base and you're the administration and say okay is that acceptable because based on the the history of the program in its entirety that's great that's awesome that's exactly where you want to be but in this day and age of instant gratification and with what they were able to do when cloudie was there i mean it might

not be enough i love shame beamer i think he's a tremendous coach i think he's a tremendous man i think he's he's tried his best to make south carolina marketable and he's done a pretty good job of it it's just so it's going to be so hard moving forward to to find an identity in the new world of college football fox news audio presents unsolved with james patterson every crime tells the story but some stories are left unfinished somebody knows real cases real people listen and follow now at fox true crime.com but who else so UCLA A&M like if you shook uh somebody in the shoulders said you should be better is there anybody else that kind of satisfies that I'm thinking outside of the SEC I mean Penn State is is good but they they seem to cap out at like you know top

yeah we they don't go for the over the hump from top 10 to legitimate top top four type team. Yeah, I mean, I think North Carolina's one. Because they have resources. Yeah, I think North Carolina should be a lot. Like when Mack was there the first time, they were phenomenal. And like they were in the mix for national championships. That's why you got the job at Texas.

I think the money that is there. The whole basketball football thing. No one can be good at both at the same time. I mean, just really quickly. Yeah, but it's not a basketball school. you know and they're doing they're doing a i mean they're like texas honestly like their their basketball program is fairly comparable to texas like all right a sweet 16 run maybe an elite eight run but not not in that top tier of college basketball ohio states flirted at times with that

as well um michigan michigan might be historically at least the best at being tops in both of those north carolina is a basketball school yeah michigan states i think one too like when we're talking about you know, land grant school and state school. Michigan State's one of those where there's really no reason why it can't be a really competitive little brother that throws some haymakers every once in a while and knocks Big Brother out. Like that, that to me should, that they should be able to do that. There's been obviously issues with the head coach with Mel Tucker. That's been a little bit of a problem. You know, the Antonio retired. He was phenomenal before Mel got there. They made a bad investment and now they're sort of an afterthought i think they they should be able to

land a few haymakers every once in a while beyond what they were in 15 when they made the playoff because that was you know they had they had a couple of good quarterbacks you know back to back and and got the job done that's so i think michigan state penn state's one that absolutely fits that mold and like i said the arizona schools Arizona state specifically being in metro phoenix having all that phoenix and the a state of the talent that's there, they can dip into Utah, which has got great offensive line talent, almost exclusive, almost all the time. Southern California, they can dip in, get some of those players out of the San Diego area.

So Arizona State's one that I look at, and especially in the Big 12 now, where, you know, there's really not a power, like, is it going to be Oklahoma State? Is it going to be, you know, Utah, is it going to be Arizona State? Why wouldn't it be Arizona State? Why couldn't it be Arizona State at this point? Right. Yeah, Arizona is a basketball school, so that's their problem. And we should point out, I would be remiss if I didn't say, you know, we talked about Alabama and Texas, Tennessee is probably, if you ranked them for the year 2020, 23, 24, Tennessee, are they the best combo football basketball school right now?

Like, they're pretty good at both. I don't know who's doing. Bama made the playoff and they're in the Sweet 16, so I think it had to be Bama. Two seed in Tennessee. Okay, all right. We'll give it to Bama right now. Because, I mean, Tennessee this year was good, but, I mean, Tennessee was not. that great.

Like, they were not great by, you know, normal football standards. Great by Tennessee standards. But, you know, 9 and 3, not really in the division championship hunt. I think that's enough to sort of set them back just a little bit. All right. I want to save a minute for NFL rules with you for just a second. But one last question on this college thing. You mentioned AFC, NFC.

So you're talking about SEC Big Ten. And eventually we have this super conference. So what happens to like, so Florida State and Clemson, they go to one of those, North Carolina. I don't know what happens with North Carolina. I mean, and what? The Big 12 ends up just, I don't know, minor league. I mean, it's going to be a good basketball conference, I guess. I don't know.

So you think the SEC and Big Ten are going to eat up some more teams, what's going to happen? Yeah, I mean, I think they will at some point that the contracts for these teams, like they've purposely made them smaller. right all the networks have made these like the fox deal with the big 12 i think ends in 31 which that was signed last year we never have something like that usually it's much longer than that so um i think yes you're going to get to that point but there's still going to be stragglers left over and but that are that are still competitive that still can sort of jump in you're not going to they're not going to separate completely you're going to have this sort of jumbled mess below the SEC and big 10 fSU and and clemson are definitely knocking on the SEC's door

I don't know if they're going to answer, and I said this on my share this week, if you're an SEC team, does Florida State and or Clemson or vote together give you $75 million in value? Because if they don't, then you're going to have to take a pay cut to have them in your conference. Is it worth it? Well, I don't know, maybe. Do you think as part of this, real quick, bear, as part of this shakeup, do you think anybody gets booted? Like, we just went through our frat brother thing for the SEC, and apologies to Arkansas, Missouri and Florida. No one's thinking Florida's at risk of getting dropped.

but like Vanderbilt's the nerd for the record who doesn't go to the parties. You got a boost the fraternity's GPA. That's what they're there for. He does boost the GPA. But like, do you think Vanderbilt and Missouri or even Mississippi State are at threat of not being a part of the future SEC? No, they'll be around. I mean, the SEC, especially with the founding members, they're not going to kick anybody out. And the Big Ten, they value academics.

so the ones that are nerds, so to speak, are going to stick around. I'm still kind of on the fence as to what happens. I do think you're going to develop an AFC-N-FC thing, but you're also going to have that sort of be, you know, presenting a shadow to the rest that teams can get out of. You know, I think in the Big 12, and I've said this this week, Florida State and Clemson could go to the Big 12 when that contract comes up. The media rights contract comes up in 2031 because they're going to

have five years of lawyers collecting billable hours anyway. So it times up kind of well. This idea that the Big Ten of the SEC are going to separate, to me, that was a threat to get what they wanted, which is more money, which is driving everything these days. And they got it with the college football playoff revenue distribution being weighted more towards those two conferences. So I don't think that we will have a pure sort of super conference or super conferences that only sort of worry about each other. It will stay dysfunctional because there's still value

in non-power-2 teams, non-power-to programs. And I always talk about college athletics this way. It's not clean, it's not proper, it's not symmetric, it's not supposed to be. It's a beautiful disaster. You know, that's okay.

Always has been. It's dysfunctional for a reason. And for me, that's a feature. That's not a bug. I love the fact. that it's beautifully dysfunctional. Oh, I like that. Yeah, you're right.

I mean, that's the history of college football. We used to vote on a national champion. This was never clean. It was never just. All right, I want to ask you about, you cover everything over at Outkick on the smothered and covered podcast as well, but I want to ask you about NFL real quick.

Just when it comes to rules. So two rules the NFL adopted this week. One was they got rid of the hip drop tackle, which everybody talked about all season long and was injuring guys. and they're going to reform kickoffs. Let's do kickoffs first. So this seems good.

I mean, the kicker's going to be lined up. It looked like a good, what, 20 yards behind the line. And the two lines are on like the receiving ins 40, roughly, I think it is. Yes. The kicker's on his own 35 or so on 40. And, you know, everybody's saying this is going to make, I saw Eric Galcoe who worked at the XFL, like Eric. smart guy help develop this for the XFL. He goes, it's just going to make kickoffs look more

like a running play. And it'll change the kind of guys you put back there. So it'll be less speedsters, guys that can fly. It'll be more guys that know how to pick a hole like a running back. And it'll be safer. So I think this is good. I am a little concerned that we're headed toward, I say I'm concerned because my son is a high school kicker and punter that we're headed towards the Larry David path. You know, Larry David said on the Rich Eisen Show, he just wants to do away with kickers, get them out of the game.

Right. And he makes a funny and compelling argument. It's like, game on the line. Let's pull this guy over here. I don't even practice with everybody over here to decide the game. And I get it, even though my kid's a kicker. But this seems good. This seems good, this new rule for kicking.

Yeah, I'm fine with it. You know, the XFL did basically the same thing last year. And look, I mean, I know traditional to say, well, it's a contact sport. you're you're taking things away from it or whatever but i mean honestly kickoffs are very dangerous you know they when you have you know a group of people running full speed from 20 yards away from each other and pounding each other in the head you're going to have injuries that's not if that that can be avoidable and so they're making it avoidable and i was fine with it watching in the xFL i thought

it was a it still kept a lot of the strategy in to to what is normally a a pretty boring event because kickoffs now, I mean, what, I don't even know the number, probably 75, 80 percent end up in touchbacks anyway. So if you're not going to have, or if, or if you're going to actually have returns, at least make them safe, at least make them look more like football plays. And it's exactly what it's doing. So I'm fine with it. The surprise onside kick, not being available anymore kind of sucks because I love those. But, you know, beyond that, you know, traditionalists will say they don't like it. It's going to take a week or two and then no one's going to think about it ever again. It'll be like the pitch clock in baseball. Do you even think about it anymore? No, and it's

only been around for a year. I love it. Um, are you with Larry David? Would you get rid of kickers? No, kickers are people too. I love kickers. Kickers are like the kickers to me are like the weird reliever out of the bullpen. Like you don't really know what they're thinking because they're never thinking normally, but they're always entertaining and important. I'm going to tell you something that stinks being a kicker's dad. There's no I mean, there's one scenario. Clearly, that's an upside. That's the game-winning kick, but I'm going to be honest. I don't think it's worth it. That's right. It's not worth it because if you don't make it, you hear your fellow parents. And it's your problem. It's just bad parenting if they don't make it. All right, hip-drop tackle, don't like this. All right, for me. And here's why. I just don't like gray legislation. I don't like how holding is impossible to tell. and inconsistent. I don't like basketball officiating.

I don't like pass interference because I don't like whether or not something's a catch. I just think that this is an example of places where we over-legislate, but under-define and then can't define, neither in the replay booth or on the field, something that's happening in real-time. And it's also like hitting the quarterback.

Like, I don't know what these defenders are supposed to do Now, I've actually had some guys on play defense and said, no, you can. Who was it? Brandon Seiler, I think it was like, no, you can. You can pull up, you can figure it out. I don't know if that's true or not. But this hip drop tackle, I mean, there's going to be all kinds of debate about like, are you behind the guy?

Are you, you know, on his side? I just, it's, I think it's a recipe for a mess. It's going to be a mess. Yeah, it's like targeting in college football. No one can define it. And when you see it, it might be targeting. It might not be. Who knows.

To me, I'm 100% in agreement with you. It's going to be loosely defined and no one's going to be able to define it. And it's going to vary based on official to official and game to game. And I think the egregious ones should absolutely be flagged. Like when you suplex a dude, okay, I mean, it's not WWE. Those guys practice how to do that without getting hurt. Football players don't. So if it's something like that, I agree.

but it's going to bleed into normal everyday tackles, right? You're going to have a guy running a sweep and it's just going to be sort of an accidental, you know, hip-drop tackle and you're going to fly 15 yards. It's like an accidental face mask or a face mask that costs 15 yards. I mean, you weren't doing it intentionally. You just had to get the dude down and it just sort of happened. And I don't like that stuff, you know, to me and getting back to the face mask thing.

I loved it when there was the 5 and the 15, the 5-yard face mask and the 15-yard face mask. Totally cool with that. that. And if you want to get this out of the game, do something like that. Because it is, it is obvious if someone suplexes a dude that, yeah, that's a penalty. There's no doubt about that. If you just sort of do it on accident, which is going to happen a lot because, you know, there are bodies flying at, you know, a million miles an hour at each other. It shouldn't be something that is, you know, just that is worth a 15-yard penalty. That just doesn't make sense to me.

And with you, that 5 and 15 is good. I think you can see some level of egregiousness or intentionality. You certainly can when it comes to face masks. Well, I went in targeting too, like in targeting for college football, if a dude goes headhunting, yeah, kick him out of the game. Like 100% kick him out of the game. If it's just like a situation where, hey, I'm going in for a tackle and I'm going to tackle you will and you kind of duck your head a little bit bracing for it

and I accidentally go helmet to helmet with you when I'm not meaning to, sorry. What do you want me to do, you know? Right, right. Smothered and covered, check it out. He'll keep you covered on college football and the sports world. And he's new columnist at Outkick.

It's Barrett, Sally. Man, this has been fun. Thanks for being on the Will Kane show. Thanks, Will, appreciate it. There you go. I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Barrett Sally. Again, check him out at Outkick. Next, what's going on with Dad?

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The stars, number one, almost every projection for postseason success suggests the Dallas stars are legitimate contenders for the Stanley Cup. Short up defense, incredible offense, rookies contributing. I'm excited about, hockey playoff time in the NHL.

The Dallas Mavericks are on a run. They've won nine of their last 10 games. They've climbed up to number, I think it is six in the Western Conference playoff seatings. And they want to avoid the play in tournament. And Kyrie and Luca are jelling and the big men, Daniel Gafford, and Derek lively look like studs, good, hopeful time for the Dallas Mavericks. Texas Rangers are your World Series champions.

But what's happening with the Dallas Cowboys? Dallas Cowboys have been completely absent from NFL free agency. They've done nothing really to make their team better this offseason. And what more, they're doing nothing about locking up their quarterback Dak Prescott for the future. He's scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent at the end of next season. Now is the time when you would think Jerry and Stephen Jones would work out an extension for Dak Prescott. Why? Because you'd lock up your quarterback for another five years, but you'd also alleviate your salary cap by stretching his salary and giving you some room to sign free agents.

Extending quarterbacks is about creating, in the short term, in the immediate term, salary cap space. And the Cowboys seem uninterested in creating salary cap space because they seem uninterested in extending Dak Prescott. So what are they going to do? Are they going to walk into this year letting him play out his contract? Are they just doing it for media attention? I wouldn't put it beyond Jerry Jones to do it when it has maximum impact. But something weird is happening in Dallas. And when I say weird, really unprecedented. The only parallel at all is Kirk Cousins. One of the few quarterbacks who is a starting franchise level quarterback, if not a Super Bowl level quarterback, a franchise starting quarterback, to ever hit unrestricted free agency.

When then the Redskins now commanders let him go to the Minnesota Vikings, Kirk Cousins raked it in. He made a ton of money. And he has again now with the Atlanta Falcons. But we rarely see a quarterback, even at Cousins level, make their way into free agency. Are the Cowboys going to allow this to happen with Dak Prescott? Let's be clear for a second about DAC. It's fine. You have doubts about DAC. I have my ups and downs with DAC. But here's some objective truths. DAC is a top 10 quarterback in the NFL. Dak has at times been an MVP candidate in the NFL. Almost every statistical measure places him well above the top 10, places him in the top five for his career and on a season by season basis. I'm talking about not just touchdowns

to interceptions, which that's important, not just yardage, but advanced metrics, like expected completion percentage, like air yards down field, like accuracy on the deep ball. DAC is great. He is a definite top 10, debatable top five, probably number seven quarterback in the NFL. And you don't see a quarterback like that hit unrestricted free agency. On the other hand, he doesn't have success in the playoffs. And I think it's fair. I think it's rational to ask the question whether or not he can ever get you over the hump.

I think that's okay. But you have to balance that sort of abstraction, that emotional, that opinion, that subjective gut against the objective evidence that I'm just laying out for you on who he is. If DAC reaches free agency, be clear about something. He will break the bank. He will have, I don't know how many teams looking to pay him top, top dollar. and if it only takes one, really two, to create a bidding war. But Dak will have four or five.

And they will be teams that face him twice a year that know who he is. The commanders, the giants. That's who Adam Schaefter suggested would be all-in suitors for Dak Prescott and others, because it's so hard to find one. The quarterback wilderness is the weirdest and worst and most desolate place in sports landscape. And I can't imagine a franchise willingly walking away, from, say, the 7th or 8th best quarterback in the NFL into the quarterback wilderness. That's not what the commanders did when they decided Cousins wasn't top tier.

I mean, you can't come up with an example of somebody letting a quarterback at that level walk to willingly go into the wilderness. Now, there's no way the Cowboys think that Trey Lance, what was he, the former number three overall pick in the draft that they got for a fourth round draft pick from the San Francisco 49ers is ready to take over and be the future of the franchise. No way. You can hope, but you can't expect or plan for that to be the case. And if they are going to let Dak walk, you would think they'd start this year in drafting his replacement. But who would that be? They picked 24th. I mean, that's going to be like Michael

Pinnock, perhaps, from Washington. And why would Michael Pinnock be better in any way than Dak Prescott except for that he's cheaper? And that's not an, I don't mean to wave my hand as somebody being cheaper because then you can bolster the rest of your lineup. But you know what? Cowboys haven't yet locked up C.D. Lamb. They've got to figure out what they're going to do with Michael Parsons. Jory Epstein, who's an NFL reporter for Yahoo, suggested C.D. Lam won't sign until Justin Jefferson does. Justin Jefferson sets the market for receivers, and then C.D. wants to get his money.

And she also quoted rival executives in the NFL saying, be careful with Micah. This was Epstein talking. She said, Micah shows up big in moments and games that don't matter. But when it comes to the plays and the games that do matter, where's Micah? So do you pay him? Do you break the bank? For me, that answer is obviously, yes. Michael Parsons is franchise. And yeah, I want to build my franchise around Michael Parsons.

I want to keep C.D. Lamb. But I can't imagine walking into the wilderness. Something is happening in Dallas. Now, part of it's tied to the fact that head coach Mike McCarthy kind of seems to be a dead man walking. like won and done. I don't know what he would have to do to save his job, weirdly after 3, 12, and 5 seasons. But at a minimum, it would be make the NFC championship game.

Otherwise, I think that the Cowboys find a new coach next year. I'm not telling you would, should, could. I'm telling you what I think will be. I think they'll have a new coach if they don't at a minimum, make the NFC championship game. And if you have a new coach, and you say does the new coach want to have $60 million, dollars, $55 million, wrapped up in Dak Prescott, a top seven, eight quarterback in the NFL

with questions about whether or not he can take you to the promised land. I don't know what's happening in Dallas, but I do get the sense something weird right now is happening with the Dallas Cowboys. Unfortunately, what's happening for the Cowboys is not the same thing. It's happening for the Rangers, the Mavericks, and the Stars. That's going to do it for me today here on the Wilcane Show. Kane on Sports Exclusive. Download, hit subscribe, YouTube, Apple, or Spotify. Follow me on Instagram, see Will Kane or on X.

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