Will Cain Country - Can The Secret Service Be Saved? PLUS, Dems Reject Netanyahu

Episode Date: July 24, 2024

Featuring Guest Host - FOX Nation Host Johnny Joey Jones Story #1: Breaking down the failed assassination attempt & Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu's visit with Congressman Brian Mast (R-FL). Story #2: Did former President Trump get the Secret Service D Team? A conversation with Former Intelligence Special Agent within the DoD, Seth Jahn.  Story #3: The crew ranks the best burgers in America. Can Texas burgers beat California burgers? Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Good afternoon. It is just a little bit afternoon here in Georgia. I'm your guest host today for the Will Kane show, Joey Jones, and man, I'm so excited to sit in this chair and feel and keep it warm for Will for a day or two here. So I just want you guys know it's an exciting opportunity for me to be here. Man, we've got a big show today. I've got a couple of buddies coming on that you all know. at least one of them. Congressman Brian Mass, a guy recovered with. He's been to Israel. He's

been to multiple wars. Now he's in Congress, and he's got a lot to say about both this assassination attempt and what's happening with Benjamin Denton Yahoo today. And then somebody really special, you probably haven't heard from a guy named Seth John. He's kind of a jack of all trades, a little bit of an international man of mystery. But really, he's just a great guy. He's a good friend of mine. He was an Army Ranger, Green Beret, worked for some of those three-letter agencies, and he's got a lot of insight on what just about everyone's talking about, including Congress, which is this assassination attempt and what's going to happen with the Secret Service moving forward.

There's a lot of big news. We know Joe Biden dropped out of the race, and it looks like Kamala Harris is going to pick it up. We'll talk a little bit about that today, more about that tomorrow. But to not keep a congressman waiting, I think the first thing to do is just go ahead and bring in Congressman Brian Mast. Congressman Mast, thanks for joining me, man. What's up, buddy? How you doing?

I'm good. I want to call you buddy. I want to call you brother, but, you know, I respect the office, even though I've known you for a long time. I want to get this conversation started, telling folks kind of why you and I call each other buddy, and maybe an opportunity for me to brag on you a little bit. I'll start it by saying, my first memory of you is seeing you with your hand sewn to your stomach coming down to watch folks learning to use prosthetic legs and to save your

hand to get blood flow to it, and then eventually starting to use prosthetics with your hands still so on your stomach. I just wanted to give people, give you a chance to tell people how you know me. Man, you know, so Johnny and I, Johnny, what day were you injured? So I, I know we've talked about this. I was injured August 6, 2010. So I don't know if I was injured right before or right after. Yeah. You were injured just before me, but I think we were both transported out of, you know, Afghanistan to launch stool to back to the United States pretty close to the same windows. You and I were right there on top of each other. And then our hospital rooms were directly next to each other.

So, you know, the two of us tooling around in wheelchairs taped up. We got those little, you know, medical carts on poles with tubes coming out of them, sucking bad fluids out of us, things like that. But you're bringing up definitely one of the most uncomfortable things I can ever speak about in life. And that is to have your hand stoned to you. Every time you just move, you wince, you turn, you're trying to sleep, whatever. that finger feels like it's pulling away but I will tell you a quick joke I use this all the time in politics and I tell people you know it's true because I use a cane getting around sometimes not always and so when I have a cane or a microphone in my right hand and I start really pointing around with my left hand and you know I end up giving people the middle finger because I don't have a left index finger and you know I don't try to give them the middle finger usually I did that so my finger was cut off but they tried to grow it back so it comes in an angle so if I want to point my finger at my kids I got to turn my hand out this way to make sure I'm pointing at him

but not to the other kid, you know. It looks like a little trigger finger there. That's exactly right now. I'm always on fire. I'd brag on YouTube. I call them triple J. Johnny Joey Jones. That's what I always call them by.

We are brothers, you know, bomb tech brothers, marine bomb tech, army bomb tech. And we all do joint schooling together at, you know, a Navy school on an Air Force base in Destin, Florida. It is a small world. But, you know, across the board, our fellow bomb techs, we go towards. the hazard that everybody else wants to get away from. And so I do absolutely love you as my brother. Man, I appreciate that. I want to come back to the bomb tech thing. That's one of the reasons I want to have you on today. But first of all, probably third, fourth, fifth down the list of

important news today in any other week. It would be at the top. And that's that the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, is here to speak at a joint session of Congress. I know you've got a pretty intimate background with the country of Israel, the state of Israel. And I'd love for you to share some of that and kind of give us your perspective. Yeah, you know, I was at school at Harvard after I left the military and there was a similar war going on in 2014, not to the extent that it's going on right now, but between Israel and Gaza. And while I was a student at Harvard, I just saw just a ton of these anti-Israel protests going on there. Back at that time, people draping themselves in Palestinian flags. And one night,

some of these protesters out on a lawn at the Boston Commons, big park there, they started harassing me and my family, and not for doing anything out there related to Israel or the war or anything. I was just out hanging out with my family, watching my kids play in the park, but they recognize me as a U.S. service member, which I always tell people is not difficult, right? I don't have any legs, and I wear a hat that says Army Rangers, basically anybody can figure it out. And, you know, that night, after that, I got home and I said, look, this hypocrisy, this ridiculousness, these people come and bring this to our family. You know, you don't always know the fights that are going to get laid in front of you, but you got to go have that fight

when it does. I said, I'm going to find a way. I'm going to go and show my support for Israel and just against this hypocrisy. And I ended up going to Israel and serving for a stent with their military, got to know some of their bomb texts, a group known as Yaha Loam and, you know, medical bases and things like that, just great experience being able to, you know, juxtapose our two militaries to one another. And, you know, beyond that, being a representative, member of Congress, I've spent time over there after the October 7 attacks. I went over there and I visited with wounded warriors. you know what are their wounded warriors amputees just like you and i had people visiting with us and walter reed you know telling us hey life's going to go on if you make it go on here's what you

can expect out of the recovery i went there and did that with uh with some of those service members there you know you told me about that and this was before you were in congress it was before i was on fox the way i am now and you told me about that experience you shared that with me i haven't heard you campaign with it because it's something that you did for yourself and to learn and grow and I wanted to share that story with people. Fast forward to now you are a member of Congress. I do have a platform that you're joining me on right now, borrowed from Will, I guess.

And I want people, if we shook some of the partisanship away, and I'm not asking you to be somebody you're not, but just if we shook some of that partisanship away and looked at it objectively as possible, when this joint session comes together and Kamala Harris doesn't take her seat as the president of the Senate that is rightfully hers and customarily something she would do, is that a big deal?

Is it no big deal? Is there a justifiable reason for her absence? Is it purely politics? Like, what is the real world? Why is that happening and what should we gleaned from it? I think if you literally look at today, you're going to see Kamal Harris not present. You're also going to see J.D. Vance, a member of the Senate, not present. And so politically, you could make arguments on both sides of that, why are they not doing that?

But the truth is, in the end, you do have politically J.D. Vance staunch supporter of Israel. And then you have Kamala Harris that is doing this specifically for the purpose of making a statement, not wanting to be seen on that stage. And part of an administration that is just putting their finger in the air and saying, which way is the wind blowing right now, what city am I'm in? That's the direction that I'm going to give a speech based upon this Israel-Gaza war. And so it is a direct shot on that. You have Nancy Pelosi as another example, right? She is not attending this. She's been very forthright before that she doesn't want any U.S. weapons transfers to Israel,

doesn't want to support our ally in a time of war, right? That's essentially a sanction. And, you know, at the same time, saying she's not going to attend the speech because she doesn't support what's going on there. That is the truth of what's going on there. And you can't divest that from the politics of it because it is political. When you have an administration that goes and give one message in Miami Beach, but they give a totally different message in Detroit, Michigan, because of their audiences, they're doing that because they only see political emergencies, not national security emergencies.

Yeah, and I guess that's my question is kind of a really simple why. Like, I remember back after 9-11, when we were in thralleled an hour two wars, there was this term, radical Islamic terrorists, and everybody was upset because the Obama administration wouldn't use it. They would almost go out of their way to not integrate Islamic into terrorists. even though we're prefacing it with radical not saying all Islamists are terrorists by any means but saying that's this type

this is a specific breed of terrorism it's got a name and a culture associated to it Islam's being bastardized to justify it so if we go back 20 years and that was the narrative that's how people reacted is that what has gotten the Democrat Party to a place where they don't want to be seen on stage with Benjamin Netanyahu is it a pandering

to a subgroup of Americans and immigrants that are Muslim Is it a real worldview that they think Israel actually is the bad guy in this scenario? What is your read there? I think you're scratching the surface, you know, scratching below the surface in the right way to get to what is the truth of this. And what I would actually put it on is this. And I think it's this, some people use the term toxic masculinity that falls kind of in

the same conversation. And what I put it on is right now we're in this world for many people where strength equals evil. If you're showing strength in what you do in your moral compass, in your absolutes, and you're standing firm in what you can do, or your literal ability to deter and defeat the enemy, then you know, you're in a situation that people are looking at you saying, well, you're evil, you must be wrong. They're not looking at it objectively that there is an evil over here and you're actually defeating it and you are in the right. And that's why you have all of these entities right now, coming out against, against Israel. You have, you have Hamas,

which runs the health authority in Gaza, the Palestinian run health authority. And then they will literally, Hamas will tell a lie. The health authority will repeat that lie. Unra, that's a part of the United Nations, will then parrot that lie and amplify it to the associated press. And the associated press will tell it to the entire world. And everybody takes it as gospel. And it couldn't be further from the truth. Like when they said, hey, Israel bombed this hospital, you know, the Al-Aa hospital back earlier on in this war. It wasn't true at all. It was a Palestinian Islamic jihad rocket that misfired and hit it. But they took that whole route of media. And why did they do it, in my opinion, again, going back to scratching that service? I think

they do it because they see strength as evil. The Obama administration went around on an apology to her in the same window that you're talking and saw strength as evil. was going to apologize for the American strength that had, you know, been so successful around the globe. And you see the same thing out of Biden and Harris, in my opinion. You know, this is Biden. He's the same guy that got pushed out of Afghanistan that we had won. He's the same guy that just got pushed out of office. He's a weak president. And they applaud the weakness of the president instead of looking for the strong president. Yeah, you know, kind of on that topic, Trump might say something nice about,

Chi in China or Putin, or it's perceived nice, like he's a strong leader or he's a smart leader or that's a real tough guy. And I don't know what world you hear that and say, well, Trump just believes in what they believe in and supports them. I think there's kind of a similar way to kind mold that. I don't know. I think did we lose Brian there for a second, guys? Oh, man, we'll get him back. But if we get a chance to get him back on here, we're going to talk to him because as a bomb tech, he actually has supported the Secret Service and something I know about. And I really want to talk to him about it. But in case we don't get him back, just to finish that thought about this idea of Israel, I don't know what Benjamin Netanyahu's politics are inside the country

of Israel. I don't know if Israel popular, unpopular. I think they're probably about as divided as we are. I know there's a lot of liberal, progressive people in Israel and Tel Aviv. But I don't think we have to support Benjamin Netanyahu's domestic policies to support a country that we're allied with, that we share intelligence with, going to war to defend itself and keep itself around, to keep terrorists that would also like to kill us at bay. And I think that that's something the Democrats just really don't understand sometimes. I think we see it in a lot of ways. There's this purity test that they want to apply to everybody that we want to go meet with

or align ourselves with. Ironically, they don't seem to have near as much of a problem with China. Now that we got Brian back, I want to bring that back up, Congressman. When I was just talking to the audience about was this idea that we, yeah, exactly. We don't have to align ourselves with everything domestic policy. And is that a place maybe where the Democrats are messing up? I think you're looking at those world leaders, right? You're continuing on, well, if President Trump says something that is a true assessment of Vladimir Putin or of Kim Jong-un or someone else, that's a positive thing.

And I think this is a good place to really juxtapose gaslighting the American people versus what foreign intelligence agencies, what their job is to do and what they really do for their leaders, right? President Trump isn't gaslighting the American people saying, listen, Putin is a tactician, is a smart guy in this way. He might do things that we think are stupid on the world stage, but that doesn't mean he's not calculating and smart about the way he does things. and to take your enemy seriously, that's how you do that versus the American media gaslights the world and say, well, Joe Biden is just fine. There's no cognitive decline. He's running the country. There's nothing going on here, nothing to see here. Don't believe what you see on camera when things are impromptu. Just believe what we tell you. That's gaslight. Those foreign intelligence agencies, they don't get to gaslight Vladimir Putin. They don't get to gaslight Xi Jinping. They don't get to gaslight Xi Jinping. They don't get to gaslight Kim Jong-U. They're giving their leaders a true assessment of what they're actually seeing out of Joe Biden.

That's what Donald Trump is doing for America. He's not gaslighting the people saying, well, Vladimir Putin has no brain and he can't think about how to do this. And he's totally unsuccessful in these ways. No, he's telling them the truth. He is smart. He is a tactician. This is what he has at his disposal. This is how we do things smartly as America.

That's the way that you truly assess your enemy. And I guess what I was trying to get at there is if President Trump can say Putin or Chi are smart tacticians, they wage war and they're good at it, it's what he said about Putin, and it's hard to disagree with that in that latest interview. Why can't a Democrat who might disagree with all of Benjamin Netanyahu's policy, why can't they objectively say this is our ally, this is someone we should support, whatever happens within their country is different, but I guess my point is you have that sometimes sever this like purity test on we can only say nice things about people we agree with

or we can only agree with nice people. I'll tell you exactly why it is. And you're bringing up a question that I've asked numerous times in Congress and it revolves around the one word you just said objectively because they're not looking at it literally objectively. I've had, I sit on the Foreign Affairs Committee. I deal with, you know, with Gaza, with Israel, Afghanistan, withdraw, you name it. I deal with these things on a daily basis. And I constantly ask, We get these people that come in from the administration, and they'll come here and they say, I'm here to express American support as this part of government for a two-state solution, right? Meaning they want to make a country out of Gaza, that's run by Hamas, a country that's run by terrorists.

They want to make them a country. So, and I'll ask them literally in that way. Well, can you tell me, have you objectively assessed that? They won't answer that question, even if they have or have not objectively looked at it. Well, you know, if you have objectively assessed it, who do you assess would be the leader of that country if you made Gaza country? Would it be the terrorist organization of Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad or Fatah or Al-Akska Martyrs Brigade or take your pick? Or somebody else, who do you objectively assess it would be? Well, we can't answer that.

We didn't assess that. We don't know that. You know, all the things that they should objectively look at that should lead them to, smart policy or smart calculations for America, they are literally not objectively doing. And they will tell you they are not objectively doing that. They're just being driven by ideology, not objectivity. Man, I hope they figure it out. I mean, I don't know how we survive with the type of withdrawal we had from Afghanistan.

I don't know how we survive and not get attacked again by this type of terrorism. if we don't keep a strong partner in Israel. I mean, it's such a base for intelligence and opportunity to see something coming before it gets here. I mean, I think obviously they had a bad day in October where they have to do their own investigation on why their intelligence failed,

but they have been very strong for us. And I know that, and you know that for first-hand. One of the reasons why we know that is we shared- point on that, Johnny, just to say, objectively, these people need to remember, there are still Americans being held there. That's right. That's right.

I couldn't have said that better myself. It blows my mind that if Americans are held by terrorists, Americans aren't going to get them. I think that's the part that bothers me, is what, do we not have a plan there? Listen, I don't have as much time with you. You're a busy man. I got a couple of minutes here. I did want to ask you about this. There's this thing called a VIPSA VIP Special Assignment.

A lot of people don't know this. A lot of the assets within the Secret Service come from active duty military. One of those are their bomb techs. And so we go through and we do what's called find or function. We either find it or we function it. right but at least the president doesn't get it and we're looking for explosive devices before a president goes somewhere i just wanted you real quick to kind of reflect on your experience with the cigarette service and any observations you have not just on this one thing that happened but as a culture

and an agency with having worked with them over the years yeah just you and i have done these bib submissions we go out there for potis president vice president foreign dignitaries that are here any place that they go there is a detail that's checking out wherever they go and like Like you said, we find her function things as the bomb tech. Did somebody place a bomb some here, leave somewhere behind? Is it in an air vent? Is it under a seat? Is it in a computer monitor?

What's looking to be that? It could be a thousand different things, a thousand different places. But it is literally our lane to make sure that there is no error, no instance that we failed, that if you or I need to function a device in order to find it, that that's what takes place. That's the seriousness by which you and I had been tasked. to protect these principles, what we would call the principles. And again, as you've heard people say about the Secret Service, it is a no-fail mission. And if a device was not found, and even if it didn't go off, if it wasn't found, that is absolutely a failure that is totally unacceptable. And we should

all be fired for our job if that were in fact the case. And so that's the nature of the work. It's no different standard than what the Secret Service falls under. And you and I have been on this, I don't know how many times you've been on them, but I've been on them many times, and we take that very, very seriously. Yeah, and I think, before I let you go here, I think that's something I probably shouldn't have, but I've had a chance to read the EOD report that came back to active duty of the six texts that were there. Man, they applied life-saving steps. They helped get on the ones that were injured. They helped get the crowd out of the way. They helped do essentially what would be

similar to like a post-blast analysis and now analyzing things after the fact. And, you know, It makes me wonder, and I want to lean into you on this, there was a gun apparently staged somewhere, a ladder might have been staged somewhere. He had explosives in his car that was parked somewhere. When you're a bomb tech from the military and you know how to do your job and you go there to do it, does the Secret Service give you limitations? You can check here, you can't check there. Is this indicative of another failure in leadership as far as maybe they were looking inside the crowd, but not outside the crowd, which was 50 yards outside the crowd? I wasn't on the ground there, obviously, but I have to believe in part, the Secret Service said, this is the area that we want you to check, right?

They're going to say, this is the secure area, this is where we're putting fencing, this is this, this is where we want you to look, this parking lot area, this seating area, this stage area, this area along the, the egress point for what will be the president, the point where the president is coming in, the point where the president may stage as a hold room or somewhere else like that, outside of that area. You name it. They're going to give you some level of direction on parameters. But beyond that, it is up to you to make sure that your part of that mission does not fail. Yeah, it seems like maybe they need to readdress this whole idea of having 15 different agencies involved in one op because the communication was obviously a problem. I'm not sure, man. We can pontificate all day, but I respect the people that put their lives on the line for public servants. I just, I want them to be managed and led well too. And in the House here, there will be a committee that's going to be voted on today in the House to create a committee.

I want to say it's seven Republicans, seven Democrats that will be specifically investigating exactly what happened with this assassination attempt. Any chance you'll be on it with your unique experience with the Secret Service? Ultimately, the speaker is going to decide everybody that will be on it. There's a chance that I'll be on it. There's a chance that individuals like Corey Mills, one of my colleagues from Florida who trained sniper. that he'll be on it. There'll probably be people that have been law enforcement, investigators, prosecutors, you name it.

I don't know exactly what the speaker is planning to make of that seven and seven makeup, but he's going to decide ultimately who he wants on it. All right, man, I'm going to let you go. I've got two questions for you. You don't have to answer one. You can pick one or the other. Number one, are you wearing a suit mullet today? And I think you know what that means.

And number two, is there a place for you in the Trump administration? you know let's start with uh i'll start with the second one uh i love president trump i chair his veterans campaign across the country and i think he's the only one that's in this race that is fighting and this is something that i say this you know to my heart to you i think he's the only one in this race that's fighting to make our country make america worth your sacrifice my sacrifice the sacrifice of all of our friends that got left behind in Afghanistan to make it worth that sacrifice. And if there's a home for me in the administration, you know, with the VA or with the Army or with state or somewhere, I will 100% answer that call for the president.

We love you in the VA. What about that suit, mullet? What's you get? What's you rocking today? So I always shorts, right? I mean, I can step back at step forward here. I don't know if I can step back far enough. but you know always shorts and you know i laughed about it sometimes i'm in politics and people

be like oh he just wants people to see his legs and things like that and i tell people a couple of things on that because it makes me laugh when people when people try to pick on me for wearing shorts and a blazer i'm like look number one my pants are hemmed at the same place that yours are at the end of my limb that's where everybody hemmed their pants that's right say number two if i was in a wheelchair would that so offend you would i need to put like a horse blank it over the wheelchair because you're too sensitive to be able to see that wheelchair rolling around. I better cover that up as well. And then the third thing, I'll tell you two other things on it. You know, and you know these, but not everybody gets this. I tell people, try putting your

leg out straight and turning your foot to 90 degrees because our feet don't turn. They don't articulate with your shoes on. And try putting a pair of pants on and off. And, you know, truth be told, is just this became more convenient to wear shorts than asking my wife to help me every single time I had to get my pants over top of those shoes on the end of my feet. And the truth be told also, sometimes we just fall down because we're on prosthetics. And I got tired of buying new pants every time I fell over and tearing the knees on them. So for me, shorts just made sense. Man, I hope they don't pick on you like they do me.

Because when I'm sitting on that couch on Fox and Friends, they love to get on Twitter and let me know how I'm just trying to show my legs off. It's like, Lord, help them. You know what? Some people are just miserable, brother. But we're not. You need some backing, Johnny. You know, you and I will go there and we'll show them where we put two prosthetic feet.

That's exactly right. Listen, Congressman Brian Masked, Army veteran, a close friend of mine, a hero of mine, actually. I appreciate your brother. Thanks for joining us. Love your brother. Good to talk to you. Take care, man. All right.

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We just had an amazing guest on. Brian Mass is one of those guys. I don't even know if I agree with all of his politics, but I certainly agree with the fact he's doing it for the right reasons. And that's who we need in Congress. But not all those people, we just need in Congress. Sometimes we just need them in our community, in our friend group. We need them serving the country in other ways.

And another one of those guys that I've had a chance to get to know is a guy named Seth John. And I want to talk a little bit about him before I bring him in here. So Seth, like, you remember those Dosecchi's commercials where it's like the most interesting man in the world And every commercial, the guy's jumping out of airplanes or jet, you know, skiing on the backs of dolphins or doing ridiculous things. You know those people actually exist. It's like if Forrest Gump and Jason Bourne were put into one human being, there's those people out there that no matter what they do, they're good at it and they're adventurous, and then they do it for good causes. So they end up doing amazing things, maybe for our military and other stuff. Seth John's one of those guys.

I'm not going to get into all of it because at the end of the day, this guy's still doing a lot of work and we can't let. all of his cover blow, but this guy's done everything from Olympic sports to auto racing to saving people in dire situations. He's been on every continent you can think of, but he started his career in the United States Army. So I want to bring on Army veterans, Seth John, a good friend of mine. What's up, brother? How's it going? Does that be a good-looking animal?

How are you, bro? Thanks for joining us. Of course, you've got the beard and you've got probably some kind of renaissance painting up you or something. I can't see what it is from here. But you're just, you know, you've got culture is what it is. I don't have any culture, man. I'm still getting the same haircut the Marine Corps made me get. You know what I mean? Like, I don't have any style. I don't have culture. You're steeped with it. I'd love to for you. Just tell us a little bit about your background as we get started here. Joey, the most impressive people that I've ever known in my career are also

some of the most humble man. So you're not fooling anybody, but I appreciate you. Very, very generous assessment. You gave me there, man. Yeah, I started off my career in the Army. I served 11 years in the U.S. Army Special Operations. Transitioned from that, I was a SWAT sniper and a breacher for four years and then served in the intelligence community as a counterintelligence special agent for five years and have essentially been contracting ever since. I know that you've done a lot of work in places that end up in the news.

And, you know, you've come on, I think, Fox a time or two, but for the most part, you keep a low profile and you just try to get your job done. You really, your occupation, I guess, is just saving people's lives. From that perspective, you know, the big news story, maybe not today, but over the last week and a half has been this assassination attempt on President, former President Donald Trump. I've been talking to Secret Service agents. I just had Brian Mast on.

He did Vipses like I did for EOD. I talked to guys that are working on the civilian side looking at the bomb reports from what this guy had. But you and I had a conversation just kind of like the overall, like from the 30,000 foot view of how an op like this goes down and the difference between the president of the United States and a former president or a candidate. I know you were a sniper. I know you've helped train the Secret Service. Give me your perspective on when you get into a situation like this where it's a former president who's a candidate as opposed to maybe what people think happens for the president of the United States. Absolutely, man. First and foremost,

most to not recognize that this was an absolutely apocalyptic failure on the secret service part is if you don't you know if you can't acknowledge that then you're just recklessly naive with that being said I don't want to just dog on secret service because there are some absolutely phenomenal special agents that serve within their ranks this is a thing I think a lot of people don't really understand about the secret service though is you know they have approximately 8500 personnel A relatively small number of them are actually dedicated to the PPD, to the presidential protection details. The individuals that are tasked to POTUS are their A team. B team would be V POTUS, and there is a significant diminishment in between those two assignments,

and then you're getting into their families, their children, wives, and then you're getting into presidential candidates or former presidents, POTUS within the United States. So once you get to somebody like Trump, you're talking about their D or F team. And it's, you know, there is a significant drop off. But this is the thing about the Secret Services. Their primary function is counterfeit currency, is financial crimes. Like you said, a relatively small number of them are specifically dedicated to the PPD missions and the protective detail missions.

Their training is only a couple months at Fletsey, actually in Georgia, the federal law enforcement training center. And then they'll have, I believe it's 16 weeks in D.C. at their academy where they're learning investigations. And I had a lot of problems with how Cheetah was putting, you know, kind of passing the buck essentially because they definitely have a very robust investigative capabilities within the Secret Service for sure. You know, you're talking about passing the buck. One thing that I find interesting, and you and I were talking about this, the Secret Service does one small part of a huge effort when it comes to guarding a president or a former president.

And what I mean by that is they've got the special agents there that are guarding the body and they've got the advanced party. I can't remember their tactical element. I can't remember the right. It's TSI, TSI, TCI, something like that. And those are guys that go in first and they liaise on with local law enforcement, Medivac routes, Kazavak routes, look at the court on, which is the area you're going to survey as what you'll search and seize anything. They develop policy, but they're leaning on so many different other agencies.

They're leaning on DOD for EOD support. They're leaning on other agencies for tech support or signal. They're leaning on local law enforcement for outer perimeter. Is there an argument here that either the Secret Service is doing too much in the way of counterfeit and it needs to be a different service that does protection, or is there an argument here that they need to expand and encompass those within their ranks so that there's enough bodies and communication when they get there to do it and do it their way? What's your observation there?

So it's a really interesting point you bring up. I would love to see, especially serving in some of the contracting agencies, agencies that I've served with with chalk full of our most elite, not ours, but the world's most elite war fighters that are J-Soc operators that actually are who provide the Secret Service with their training, a significant amount of their training, to the point where they'll come out of those training curriculum and being like, man, the Secret Service needs to scrap their entire handbook. Like, why are we not allocating or appropriating our most valuable assets and resources, especially as we're transitioning out of GWAT and putting some of these individuals

into essentially our best into those capacities. Do you mean like recruiting special operators to be secret service agents? Is that kind of thing? Is that what you mean? For sure. And you're seeing like culturally a lot of the true patriots, a lot of the individuals that are, you know, qualified to be there are transitioning out, especially with the, during the COVID mandates and stuff like that. These, the guys within these J-Soc ranks that have those type of credentials and qualifications are,

they are our best. I'll also say, though, like, you know, the things that the Secret Service do really well at is in their, you know, pre-screened, their site security surveys and their TVAS, their threatened vulnerability assessment screenings. they have a lot of resources, I think they have like a $3 billion budget now that are appropriated to that mission. I mean, so without getting into the classified methodologies and all of that, but, you know, they're the ones that are conducting all the surveillance detection routes, all the on-site. They have a pretty robust drone and counter drone program, which that argument has been brought up where this 20-year-old untrained kid was utilizing drone capability, thermal optics, all of these things when you're talking about the cat. teams or the counter sniper teams that didn't have a line aside because of these trees. There's optics in technology nowadays, especially with that type of budget and mission. To me, it is an absolutely egregious, I don't even think there's a word for it.

When you're talking about just disregard for the threat matrix that was surrounding President Trump and to completely disregard that is, and not provide a more robust security element for him, especially after it's been being requested for two years, I think is just appalling. You know, when I was neodetech, and I want to bring this in because this is our military experience, when I was neodytech, if there was a bomb in the middle of a field, and that field was 150 yards in any direction flat, but there's a hilltop 200 yards in that direction, and there's a building 300 yards in that direction,

and there is defilade a place someone could hide 150 yards in that direction. even if my parameters 100 yards, it just became 200 yards over there and 300 yards over there and 150 yards over there because distance only matters as much as opportunity and you know you can shoot from 2, 3 or 400 yards. So like can you think of a scenario in your military or your agency career where the idea that, well, yeah, that looks like that could be a threat, but it's outside the perimeter. so we're just going to leave it to the Afghan National Army to look at. Absolutely not. I mean, and I love that you brought up your EOD experience.

I was always really impressed with the totality of information and the things that you guys have to process on the spot in those situations. I mean, we're talking about, again, a 20-year-old kid that somehow circumvented some of the world's most elite security operatives and agents. and fired off a minimum of three rounds, up to five rounds, I believe, at his target within zeroing range, within 150 meters is just, I can't even wrap my head around that. It's hard for me as a former counterintelligence special agent. I'm constantly assessing the internal threat, and I'm not getting all conspiracy theoryish

or anything like that. I do chalk it up to just a really ineptitude at the end of the day. But it is hard to not account for the totality of the information that we have. And I think it'd be irresponsible not to at least address the potentiality for an insider threat, at least. I don't go to that direction solely for one reason because of who would be actioning that mission. If it was, there would have been a zero fail on that. And there had been and so many people that had to be involved in it. But when you're talking about, you know, a kid who, who, again, circumvented

that level of security, has all the socials white, you know, there's multiple reports within 20 minutes. And keep in mind on those freaks, and you brought up a really great point with these guys. Also, these are always joint task force with the local law enforcement or even where I served within Special Forces Regiment, like our, you know, when I was in there called SIF teams or Criff teams and then now C-TAC teams like these are guys to do all the area reconnaissance with these guys they're supplementing their mission they're always leaning heavily on the the police counter-sniper's as well you know these you know so

to get all of these individuals are on the same emergency radio freaks when you have an individual that has been called out 20 minutes prior and then multiple untrained observers as well saying hey we're We see him up there and to not take the principle, take Trump off of that stage or prevent him from going up there. I can't wrap my head around that process, how that doesn't happen. You know, so. Now I'm with you, 100%. I wanted to move the conversation a little bit because I think people have heard an assessment of what happened from maybe not there are a lot of folks like you in the world.

But from experienced folks to when it comes to security, you do some private security as well. So you go, you can look, if you're going to a football game because of your background, you know exactly what type of security is there. And more importantly, how effective it is. How much of it is deterrence versus actual detection and stopping it. You know, take this same, I guess, 30,000 foot view of the Secret Service. Hey, we thought they were, you know, I talked to the producers of this show. He's like, look, man, I thought that was the best of the best.

Well, no, it's not. I mean, there's nothing against Secret Service agents. I know some, they work hard, but they're only as good as the training they receive, and they don't get the best training. And they aren't ran like military units. So apply that same logic to Border Patrol, TSA, all the things that we rely on to keep us safe, that people in these big cities rely on to walk around with their face and their phone all the time. And just give me your reflections on that. Yeah, I mean, Joey, if we took your badass little babies and, uh,

and put them out on that field and said, hey, you know, from a call of duty or halo perspective, where do you think the greatest threat is here? Like, your kids would be like, probably right there, dad. So, you know, we kind of tapped into it earlier regarding, you know, the cultural shift and the introduction of really ridiculous criterion that they're assessing for in these positions, whether that be race, or sex like who gives a crap give the position to the most qualified individual so you're seeing a cultural shift within these triple letter agencies as well as within the DOD that is that are pushing out some of the more you know impressive and credentialed individuals into the private sector into the contracting sphere so yeah i hope i'd answer your question there i might have got off track there book but when you're when not well the the service are there they're I mean she was one of her primary objectives was integrating a 30% DEI hire rate like how do you how do you rationalize that as a professional you know what I mean would you want that to to

those same uh considerations when your wife or your husband's going into surgery and the surgeon is like oh that's could we get a female like and when this guy was top of his class at at Harvard medicine or whatever the case may be. It's just ridiculous notion. Yeah, I guess I guess what my question, you did answer a question I had. And you're right. Like this, like when we watched that, I don't know if you watched that hearing yesterday, but I think some of the Republican congressmen kind of looked like assholes a little bit. I don't know if I'm supposed to say that. My apologies.

I agree. They looked mean and bullish because, you know, they're like, you're a DEI hire. Well, listen, she was in the Secret Service for 26 years. So I don't know if she's qualified, if she was the most qualified, I think the most important thing is she didn't do her job right. Like, however she got there, she didn't do her job right. And then you pile on top of that. You compound the idea that, and doing her job, she's pushing out people that may be more experienced because maybe they got a DUI, something that, you know, something negative, maybe just one

little excuse to push that person out, bringing this person in that looks great on paper, but you're not sitting there getting assessment for how they're going to react in a bad situation because we can all say what's going to happen or like say how we'll react or show it in training but you know as well as I do when the stuff hits the fan it's either in you or it isn't and that's what I want to know and the reason why I bring that up is okay go ahead yeah no I'm sorry Rodney me interrupt you man I absolutely agree and the thing that I think is is most apparent here is especially as we're again transitioning out of a you know two-decade g-watt level of operational experience from the operators and these soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines that have come out of those

career fields and transition into these positions is I've always said that I will know everything I need to know about the man next to me as soon as that first round is cracked off. Not us firing off the first round as soon as the first round is cracked off at us. I will know what that individual's medal is. And when you have these individuals that don't have that type of operational experience, I put so much more value into the operational experience than I do. even the credentials, honestly, at this point. What I saw was some of these cat teams, basic stuff, even coming off the glass.

You know, I know we've seen that video. He's coming off the glass. That wasn't the counter-sniper team that was responsible for neutralizing that threat in that instance. But to me, that just showed such an egregious lack of experience. And what you mean by that, I just want to make sure. No, no, I just want to make sure the audience those. When you say coming off the glass, there is now a viral video where, a counter sniper is sited in

and he takes his head up when he does that he can't shoot right because he's not looking through the sights of that gun the time it takes to get back down could be the time it takes to get the round off and what you're talking about there is just discipline training and the instinct that you condition in someone

I think another good example again it's going viral and it's kind of memeish now but there's the female Secret Service agent outside the vehicle and she's struggling to get her gun holstered. And I think what where people screw up is don't worry about the aesthetic of that human.

I've got friends in my life that are dumpy looking, but they can get the job done. You know what I mean? Like they can get the job done. Someone's aesthetic is not indicative of their performance. So take the fact it's a female out. Take the fact that you might not think she's the build you would want her to be. The visual of seeing her so perturbed or so I guess, combulated that she can't reholster her weapon, which should be muscle memory, right?

Like, you should train that so much, you could do it, you know, with pepper spray in your eyes. You actually, guys like me and you have trained doing that with pepper spray in our eyes. And so, like, what, you know, what do you pick up when you see that as someone who's trained? What do you see? Like, other people might see, oh, that's a female or she's not six foot tall. What do you see? It's such a great question, Joey. The thing that I immediately reflect on right there is working with a lot of the professionals that I work with now and hearing their pipelines through the Marsok Marine Special Operation Command or Navy SEAL Buds or Special Forces assessment and selection, you know, or the Q-Course, all these guys, they're constantly

bringing in researchers to evaluate and conduct different types of testing of these individuals in these controlled environments because it's very rare for them to get any type of data and to push men and women now to those limits both physically, mentally and emotionally. And one of the things that I thought was really interesting. And one of the reports that I've personally seen myself is that was synonymous with all the individuals that were going to either graduate or become selected was that they had a 40, it was almost a 40 page chemical profile on these individuals. And the one thing that was synonymous with every single one of the people that were going to make it was that their neuropeptide wide, their cortisol, their adrenaline

would spike much higher, much faster, being able to identify a threat and then return almost immediately, whereas 99% of the population, and look, everyone's special in their own way, right? You got a caveat, those sort of things, these type of conversations will remain at this threshold where their fine motor skills start to dissipate, their focus, they start getting tunnel vision with the special operators who make it through those pipelines, they identify it, they return to a place where they can make a functional decision under duress. And so all of the training that we received, all of the training that I've got, even within the military, within law enforcement, intelligence community, it was always under stress. Stress fires are what we call.

We go run an O-course, get an elevated heart rate, have simulated rounds, cracking off, and stuff like that, and then engage targets, go through, you fall back on your lowest level of training, were exactly what you said, it becomes muscle memory. What I saw there was a complete lack of training, a complete lack of experience, a frazzled, you know, presidential protective detail that couldn't even perform basic, you know, human functions under stress and duress. Yeah, and I think what I want to bring from that is a regular citizen, it doesn't make you a bad person.

I don't hate that woman. I don't wish her ill will, you know. And I think like, I think what. referring to the hearing yesterday, like, we have to differentiate between, like, being mean and demanding performance. Like, if you and I were in a unit together and I perform that way, you would be four foot up my butt telling me how bad I was because you want to live and you want me to live. That doesn't mean we're not going to go out and grab a beer together and be buds.

I mean, so the idea is we can demand optimal performance from these jobs without it being that we hate you because you're a woman or you're not six foot tall. That's really not even the point here at all. There's no margin for error in these type of career fields, period. Like there should be no deviation from the standard, which is excellence. Their job was very, one sole job. Keep the principal alive. That's it.

And it was extremely fortunate that Trump's life wasn't taken that day. It's wild. Yeah, I think the argument is they did not keep him alive. and perhaps bad marksmanship or the hand of God did. And that's tough, man. Hey, man, before I let you go, you've got this wealth of knowledge. You've got this wealth of experience. How old are you?

41. So you're 41 years old. I'm 38. In military operator terms, we are old men, right? So I know you're not out there hooking and jabbing with the special operations community or three-letter agencies anymore. You're up to other things. But is there anything you can tell us about that you're up to,

bring that experience and serve the public in a bigger way. You know, it's, thank you for saying that, Joey. Like, it is difficult to see where we're at now culturally and politically in our country to not, for me personally. And look, I got nothing but love for all of my service members and all, nothing but respect for those who raised their hand. But it has almost become a point of shame for me, knowing, especially during the absolutely abysmal. If the history books are accurate, the Afghanistan, withdrawal will go down in history is one of the most appalling foreign policy decisions that's ever been conducted. When that happened, I went into a really dark place. I realized real quickly

that most of the missions that I was conducting was serving the greed of men and really cowardly politicians that were the ones determining my presence in those areas of operations. So to transition out of that, to answer your question, and take those skill sets and make them applicable into a pure mission. The things that I'm most passionate about now are counter child sex trafficking. I'm very heavily involved in that. As you just specified, I did take a couple rounds in one of my last operations there, so I have transitioned into more of a mission planning managerial role. But I also work for doing the National Director of Security for an organization called CDF. We're looking to a lot of the political corruption as well as empowering citizens

on the ground level and giving them an outlet to exploit some of the corruption within their communities. So those are the two things for me that I feel very grateful to be able to take those things and put them into, again, a more altruistic and a more pure mission. one of the most interesting men in the world Seth John also a good buddy of mine and a hero of this country man thanks so much for joining us thanks for sharing that insight just talking real with me hey so great before you joy look forward to kicking wendy soon man

give me shout all right bud take care thanks for joining us all right listen we're going to wrap this show up here in just a minute we're going to take one more break here on the will cane show we'll come back and wrap it up Listen to the all-new Brett Bear podcast featuring Common Ground, in-depth talks with lawmakers from opposite sides of the aisle, along with all your Brett Bear favorites like his all-star panel and much more.

Available now at foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Will Kane Show. Man, we've had a good time here today. We've got just enough time to kind of wrap this up, talk about some more important things like American culture or where we get our food or maybe even some questions that somebody asked. I want to bring in Dan, Patrick, and James. Guys, what did you guys think about Seth John?

Pretty cool dude, huh? That was fascinating. I love hearing about all that stuff because I'm, you know, I wasn't a never a military member, and it's cool hearing about those things and the, and like, the nitty-grated the details of that kind of life and those things you've guys done. And it's really, really cool to hear that conversation.

Yeah, really impressive guy. Yeah, yeah. No, when I came on your show, I think last week or week before, I saw Will get on to you about that sweater vest. I mean, they had a whole dye shop about it. Yeah. I think that we need to tell Brian Mast that, well, yeah, that's fair. That's fair.

I think we need to tell Brian Mast, if he's going to wear shorts, he needs to just do like a vest, right? Kind of balance it out. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, dude. Yeah, it's so true That was funny though I like the suit mullet

The suit mullet thing was really funny I didn't get it at first And then I understood We were talking about I used to wear them It's business up top Party down below That's what it is

So Dan in the break You were asked me about So what were you asking me? Yeah so someone in the chat was wondering While you guys were having that conversation Why is it called the Secret Service People were wondering

I don't know if you have any answer I kind of looked it up And have like a semi-answer but if you, I don't know if you want to give a stab at it. Okay, so I'm going to preface this by saying, I do not have a clue. But I pride myself in my intuition, my ability to like pull stuff out of the year. Some people might say to bull crap. I say to take an educated guess.

When I was talking to, I think it was Seth about this, we were talking about how all the other, like the secret service brings in all these other agencies, right? Yep. So it's like at some point you go, why is there a secret service instead of just like the military protecting the president. It's my suspicion that the original idea there is to have a group of at the time men who were only loyal to the president. That way you don't have a Julius Caesar situation where a general tells the subordinates, hey, go take out the president. I think there is some legitimacy to have an agency that is autonomous from any other agency

whose only loyalty and boss is the president. So I don't know if that answers your question, but I think that might be why it's like got its own little name and culture. I do have an answer. I googled it as you were speaking. This is from the secret service.gov. So this could be the right answer. Due to the investigative nature of the undercover secret services operatives, investigative duties, their identities were to remain secret, therefore creating the name secret service.

Both sides in the Civil War had a secret service intelligence division that ran espionage. So that's the answer. So it's a little bit like what I'm saying. You know, they're less susceptible. Like, I'm going to bullcrap my way into being right now. They're less susceptible to being influenced to outside influences even within the ranks. And so I totally take credit for that. Okay.

What else we got, guys? Well, Patrick, you had a topic here. What was the topic about Chick-fil-A here? oh so chick flay fell to third in the fast food best fast food rankings in america but i think you wanted you wanted to talk about what is the best fast food burger out there well you know you you inspired me so like it's hard for me to get on this chick flay conversation because i lived in the hometown of chick flay i'm from georgia it's the lord's chicken there's all these reasons why i love filet, and I think people know that. And, you know, if I came on the Will Kane show, I think I'd be

remiss because, you know, Texas doesn't have that. They don't have Chick-fil-A. I mean, they don't have anything like Chick-fil-A. I mean, they've got some churches chicken here and maybe some bo-jangles there, but, you know, with all their pride there in Texas, they don't have Chick-fil-A. So I think it's almost unfair for me to pontificate on how awesome Chick-fil-A is. So I thought, why don't we make this topic about regional pride in your fast food and say, what can we use that kind of goes everywhere? And it's burgers, right? They're like five or six burger joints that are either all across the country or known across

the country. I bet you guys could name the top five that I'm thinking of, but I'll just go ahead and say it to keep from putting you on the spot. And this is in no particular order because I'll tell you the order later. You've got Waterburger that Texas is really, really proud of. You've got In-N-Out Burger from California, Christian Conservative family-owned. All right. you've got five guys and you know like you probably don't know it in manhattan but that stuff

that costs of money um that's three i'll you know fourthly i'll say here in the south we've got cookout and it's really good never heard of that um and then maybe in that fifth category we'll put your run-of-the-mill McDonald's hardies windies and i'll let you guys say of those like national change you can pick which one kind of gets that in the category of best burger joints around the country. What do you say? Oh, cookout easily among those. And granted, you're getting some other things besides burgers,

but you show up there with a $10 bill and you could feed a family of four. What do you think, Patrick? What do you think, Patrick? You know, I got to say I'm very, very partial to the slider. I really enjoy a good crystal burger. Okay. As far as I know it's not quality. You know, it's like, it's definitely better after 10 p.m.

This is fast food. So, but I like a good crystal. And then maybe like as far as quality goes, Culver's, I think is, I love the burger burger. Oh, man, that's so Midwest. I guess I'm bad for not remembering Culver's. We actually had one there in noon and Georgia. So I'll put them in that number five. Get rid of the McDonald's.

I've never, I'm from Connecticut. I've never heard of any of these things. We've had the basic, like, I don't know, a Culver. is. I don't know what crystals is. I don't know what any of these things are. We had basic like McDonald's, Wendy's, things like that. I love the Wendy's burger. I'm putting Wendy's number one for me.

I know it's weird. You have a white castle? We don't have a white castle. We didn't get a chick fillet until like five years ago. Listen, this is poor people's stuff, man. They don't know. There's nothing to... Connecticut doesn't know anything about this. I'm going to, before we wrap the show up,

I'm going to give my take on this. So here's the deal. Starting at number one. This is on quality and taste alone, In-N-Out burger. And I'm going to tell you why. The menu's simple. It doesn't have a lot going on. It's got all the necessary ingredients. It's got a bun.

It's got a burger. It's got cheese, lettuce, tomato, some sauce. If you look into In-N-Out burger, a couple things there. They have to source all of their products, all of their food products. They have to be sourced within a certain distance. So it's not like a bunch of frozen, been grown in a lab stuff. In-N-Out burger is owned by a Christian conservative family that's holding it down in California. It's a good quality burger no matter where you go.

And what sucks for Texas is they own Waterburger, right? But if you've got an In-N-Out burger across from a water burger, Waterburger can't hold a candle, in my opinion. So number one is In-N-Out. Number two is cookout, love their stuff, super affordable. You get like a 99-cent taco wrapped in tin full. Makes you feel like you're proud to be poor, you know, like that's how I grew up. You know, like Taco Bell used to be.

Yeah, yeah. So you got In-N-Out burger, then cook-out. All right. Then Waterburger, simply because it is out of Texas, and their honey butter chicken biscuit is solid. But I really don't care for the burgers as much. And then maybe five guys or, I don't know, what did you say, Culver's?

I like the cheese curds. After those three, it drops off tremendously. Because five guys, it costs you $20 to buy a burger, some fries, and a Coke, and a fast food restaurant. So expensive. it's true for one person yeah you know it's absurd yeah well i think we solved the you guys yeah i'm not getting any pushback because apparently you know i got the northeast here and and you guys don't don't indulge in the in the fast food burgers like i do or want to so um we're

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