Will Cain Country - Can We Still Talk About Race Honestly? (ft. Lawrence Jones & Adam Carolla)

Episode Date: July 1, 2026

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here today in the country. What's up, Lawrence? What's happening? Why do you always have to say my full name? I mean, it's a name that I'm proud of, but it's like, you know, that only happens when I'm in trouble, and it's like a little bit of PTSD. Lawrence Billy Jones, the third. I love every bit of it. I love every single entry in that. name. I like the first. I like the middle and I like the third. I like it all. Every single thing that was put into that name tells a story and a name should tell a story. You're not Larry, you're Lawrence. You're not William, you're Billy. And you're not the first, you're the third. That's right. What I'm going on. You know what? I may need to clip this and send this to people when they

misname me because you're right. You're 100%. I would never criticize you saying the full name ever again. That mattered. Thank you. Thank you. One week ago, in the wake of the conviction of Carmelo Anthony in the murder of Austin Metcalfe. And after the sentencing of Carmelo Anthony and after an interview on the Will Kane show on the Fox News channel with the father of Austin Metcalfe, Jeff Metcalf,

I got a text from my friend and the co-host of Fox and Friends Lawrence Jones. That text read, we should do a podcast. We should have a conversation. We should talk about Carmelo Anthony. My response to Lawrence was, I'm always up for a conversation on or off air with you, Lawrence. And I'm even more up to talk with you in what I presume is a conversation about race. But I said to you, but what's the angle? because the story feels a bit over. Of course, the story did force us to confront a national

conversation about race. On my part, Lawrence, I was a little bit eye-opened and upset that I saw such tribalism, at least in some significant segment of Black America that was willing to set aside the evidence. Damn the torpedoes. No matter what we heard or saw on video or in witness testimony did not matter, there was almost a tribal instinct to defend Carmelo Ante I think that is a conversation worthy of continuation. But I leave it to you, man. What did you want when you text me to continue to talk about when it comes to Carmelo Anthony? Well, you know, Will, you've been covering this case from the very beginning.

And I guess because of scheduling conflicts or me being in mornings and you being in even, we never could sync up to discuss the case. And I'm actually going to disagree with you. The case is not over. right there was a conviction but there is an entire movement now behind this case and the facts are now on record now and most of everything that was said before the trial is still being said now now i had questions about the case before the trial but it put aside all of my questions because i listened to the evidence that's what you're supposed to do but many people

did not. Or they may be ignorant toward the evidence, and I think that is a problem right now. Because I think that we're getting ready to get into this this racial, this tribalism case,

or the same old bad actors are now involved, and I think it's going to do society, America and large, some harm. By people are going to follow themselves prey to, Go into this corner and the facts just don't support it. They just don't.

All right. Well, let's set the stage. And this is the question that I've asked. How the question is at a larger level is how much buy-in is there among black America towards the innocence or defense of Carmelo Anthony? Because, you know, if I go on to social media, my temptation is to say a lot. I had Jeffrey Meade. This may have been when you texted me. I had Jeffrey Meade, you know, social media commentator, Black, on my show. And I asked him and he said, I'm going to guess 60% of Black America. But on the other hand, I don't think it's the same old familiar figures, Lawrence. Like, there's no Ben Crump. There's no Al Sharpton. Like, this case was so obvious it couldn't even bring in the biggest race hustlers in America. And it was left. to two-bit hustlers like Dominique Alexander.

He became the front-facing voice of making this racial. And he's a nobody trying to become a somebody. I mean, he's literally a felon, I think, of shaking a baby. He's just, he's not even to the level of Ben Crump. And that says something about the quality of this case that you couldn't even get Al Sharpton to stand out front. Well, they're involved for the appeal now. all of those actors that you are,

you just named are a part of the appeal process, saying that he got... Are they, I hadn't seen that? So Sharpton and Trump are all jumping in now? Yeah, the national NACP is involved. Sharpton's involved. Bing Crump is involved. And for me, I guess I didn't look at it as Dominique,

being a nobody, because I'm from Dallas, and I knew who he was. So, you know, there was a period of time when you and I were working at another network, and you were based in New York, but I was still based in Dallas. So anytime something would occur in Dallas, he would always be on the scene.

So for me, it wasn't a nobody, I guess nationally, yes, a nobody. But locally, I've known him for a long time. I've known his story. I've known the trouble that he's gotten into, and he's always involved. And I would say this will, those bad,

actors are now involved because they're saying that the system is rigged, that he got an unfair trial, right? They're saying that the jury system was tampered with. They're saying that there was no black person or a person of color on the jury. They're saying that the witnesses that were there that day, no person that was black or a person of color, me and Latino or anyone else, testified against him. And, you know, I go back and forth because it's not true. Because of course it's not true. Of course it's not true. All of that is false. And by the way, one of the main witnesses that turned it all around for me in this case was a black man, a black young boy. I always wanted to know, Will, who invited him into the tent? Now, of course, he was not invited

into the tent, but I found out who he knew in the tent. And even that person in the trial said, I was kind of weirded out by the whole thing. I didn't know why he was there. He was the aggressor. He did say that Austin pushed him, but he said that he was the team leader and that everyone in their head, that's what his job was, was to protect the team. So again, we'll, you know, I saw that conversation with Jeffrey. And I think the number is accurate, but with a caveat, people, and maybe it's ignorant.

Maybe it's because maybe they should educate themselves about the case. But many people, friends of mine that are smart people that aren't races, that aren't race hustlers, don't know these facts. So I go back and forth. Strip the case that been televised. I think it would have put undue scrutiny on those kids. I believe they would have been tormented as a result of that. And I don't think we would have had the same trial. But on the other hand, I wish the public could have seen that information.

I was reading transcripts every day. Here's the thing. Okay. All right. So we're getting to it now. Okay. You think Jeffrey's roughly right. 60% of Black America is going to rally to the defense of Carmelo Anthony or see it through the lens that we just discussed.

We can talk in a minute about the grounds of the appeal because we should just dismiss, first of all. The idea that there was no witness testimony against Carmelo that was anybody but why it is absurd. It's just factually untrue. And by the way, my conversation. with Jeff Meade, you know, or not Jeff Meade, Jeff Metcalf, I found fascinating in that I asked him, because, you know, Austin had a twin brother, Hunter, and I said, like, what's life been like for Hunter at school? Because this thing's turned into this racial thing nationwide. Right, right, right, right. But what's it like in Frisco? What's it like when he goes to school? Like, is he dealing with racial

tension? Is there racial tension in the school? And Metcalf's like, no, it's the opposite. Like, black, why everybody's rallied around Austin and Hunter and then the football team. And they were all buddies. Like Austin was friends with those black students you're talking about that testified. He was teammates and friends with them. And so this thing that's happening, right, on CNN and in front of the courthouse and on national, it is not happening in the actual world in which this occurred. And that is super wild when you think about it.

That's wild. Well, it's wild and then it's not because the moment this became a national story, then the racial element of this was going to become a thing, right? Once you, that's the only reason why this is the national story is race. Let's just be honest about it. This happens all the time, right? Well, yeah, I'm just trying to think. You know? Yeah, but murder and attract me.

Yes. Yes, you're right, Lawrence. You're 80% right. Do I think if two white students had murdered each other at a track meet, a high school track meet, it would still be a big story. I do, actually. I think it'd be a pretty big story. Just because they're kids, it's a high school track meet.

Maybe, maybe I'm wrong. But I know the race inflamed it for sure. Let me tell you why I say that. Let me say why I say that. For four years on the channel, when I initially started, that's all I come. That's all I covered was violence. Kids killing other kids or drive-bys. It was depressing.

I felt like I was in Chicago every week on a murder scene, right? And most of it was at the hands of kids. They would kill each other at school. They would kill each other outside of school. And there was no national coverage of these incidents, right? I would see local reporters there, but I was the only one with a national, you know, Mike's black. Here we are. Hold on. Let me ask a question.

Because here we are to have an honest conversation about race and its role. Were these black on black crimes? Because we don't talk about black on black crimes. Most of them. Most of them are Hispanic or black or black. That's worthy of its own discussion, how little that's discussed. But if Carmelo had been white and Austin's white, I do think it would have been a story. If they were both black, it's less of a story. And you can say, okay, this is where it gets interesting.

People would be like, why? Because nobody cares about it. Or why? Because we never talk about black on black crime. I don't know, but I think that I'm right in my estimation. I think the white on white. Yeah. Go ahead.

The white on white is more likely if it's like a school shooting. That's when it becomes a story. I don't think you see otherwise. I just, this is why I disagree. What becomes news is what is out of the ordinary, right? What we decide what we cover based on what is new and then what is we don't expect it to happen, right? There's this new language out of the ordinary, and that's what we dedicate our resources for because it gravitates the audience. So yes, they would have covered it, but it would have been a headline.

It wouldn't have been people on the ground covering the trial. What made it different is that it had been put in the ether that a black man was surrounded in what was considered, you know, a middle class, upper class area. And he had defended himself against it and the person happened to be white, right? This is why people surge resources to cover this story. But all of that was not true. It was not true. And the people that I speak to today still believe that to be true.

And that's why I go back and forth with saying, man, maybe they needed to see this in the courtroom. And maybe it would be different. Let me ask you a difficult question, okay? I have an instinct here, which means that's something that I'm saying is like, I think, but I'm not totally convinced of what? I'm about to say, but I'm, I think it wouldn't have mattered. It wouldn't have mattered, Lawrence. I think that the people that are defending Carmelo Anthony in some small percentage are ignorant of the facts, but in the majority of the percentage, don't give a shit about the facts. That's what I truly believe. And by the way, I think that's a lot. I think that's been proven out. Like Michael

Brown, hands up, don't shoot, right? Didn't happen. Nobody cares. They don't care. They don't care. They don't care. It doesn't impact their position, meaning they've already got their position they've chosen on that, and the facts are impervious to their feelings. And I think that the people who defend Carmelo Anthony would not be swayed no matter how much they were bombarded with the facts. I think, will, you are correct to a certain degree, right? I do believe there is a large, probably like 40% of people feel that way. And I felt the need to explain myself after the verdict because after I said what I said about the verdict, then I got hit with, you know, the typical racial aspect of why aren't you standing with us? Yeah, some of that, some of that, some of that. And there is this worldview within the community where because there were injustice that happened historically, that somehow we need to continue to put our hands on the skills to undo those wrongs, right?

For example, it's the whole OJ theory. No one ever thought OJ was innocent. That was not, you know, I see people that say. that all the time they thought in their heart to heart that that he was in. That's never the conversation. Actually, there's comedians that do skits about this and say, we all knew, but they wanted to check the system and show them, or as least many people say, let them feel our pain. And for me, just the way I grew up, man, they can't go along with that. It had nothing to do with that. A justice system, you can't use the justice system in that. way. It's wrong. It's barbaric. It's unjust. It's not for us to be believers. It's not Christian light. So there is a good 30 to 40% that, you know, subscribe to their worldview. I'm just talking about the people that I know that are educated people that aren't hateful, that do believe in facts. it troubles me when I speak to them and they tell me these theories that are just not true.

And I have to shoot them down, shoot them. So then I say, okay, these are my friends that are educated, right? And they have this view. So hold on. What's the reaction when you do that? When you share facts, when you feel like they're misinformed, let's let's narrow, let's, just dial this in. You're talking about black friends who are educated, who are misinformed. on the facts and then you have this conversation and you lay out the facts, what is the reaction?

It is, I didn't know that. Is that really true? Then they start to question me because I'm still the brother that works at Fox News. So is that right? So they think you're lying or you're wrong. Right, right, right. Right, right. It's either or it's like, really, why didn't I know about that then?

You know, it is, why hasn't that not been reported? Like, why hasn't, you know what I'm saying? So that's what I'm saying. There is a certain part of the population that didn't get the facts of this case, man. They did not get the facts of this case. And let me tell you something. You think this is over? No, no, no, no, no, no.

This is just beginning. He does have a great defense attorney. Hold on. Lawrence, have you changed any minds in these private conversations? I'm curious. Do you think you've changed any minds? I've changed a few. And then the question, because then this, then it turns legal, then it turns legal, which is he should have never put his hands on him.

To which I say, maybe he should not. But the penalty of putting your hands on someone is not death. Right. It's not death. Right. It's not death. Right. Well, self-defense.

No, no, no. I'm sorry. That's not a legal argument. So then you turn into the law versus the law. Nor a moral or common sense-based argument. They don't even believe that. Nobody believes that if you're pushed, it's reasonable to respond with murder. No one believes that.

There's some people that do will. Some people do, yeah. It will, especially in the South, too. There's some people who you put your hands on them and you get what you get. You get what you get. That's barbaric. You can't live in a sense. civilized society if you believe that truly.

You know? So maybe is my demographic? What you're describing is that racial? Do you think that's a black culture thing? You get what you get? I don't think it's a, it depends. Maybe it's social economic too as well. The reason I ask that, Lawrence, is if the racial, if the racial roles were reversed, I don't think anybody would be making that argument.

Right? No, they will. They would be. Carmelo pushes Austin and Austin stabs Carmelow. People are not defending Austin on those grounds. You got what he got. No, but I'm saying if a brother is, let's say South Dallas, let's make it local for people don't know it's the hood of Dallas of the Metroplex, right?

If a brother puts a hand on another brother and he dies as a result of that, they're going to say he should never put his hands on him. That's barbaric. You can't do that. When you know better, you do better. You learn if you have weapons, whether it be your hands or a gun proportionality. Like if someone punches you, do you shoot them or stab them? Right.

100%. Right to a gun fight. You know, there's a reason why there's whole courses about use of force, right? To understand that, right? What is proportionate? So, Will, for those people, and look, I'm not going to dismiss and say racial argument is not a part of this, because I do believe that it's a part of this conversation. But what I'm telling is that there are some people that subscribe from where I go, where I'm from, that if you put your hands on someone and you die as a result of putting in the end, that's on you. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with Lawrence Jones, co-host of Fox and Friends here on Wilcane Country.

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with any other promotion. Expires July 31st, 2026. Must be 21 order to order. Please drink responsibly. Welcome back to Will Kane country. We're still hanging out with the host of Fox and Friends, Lawrence Jones. Wild. It's not right. I mean, that's, look, look, to take it out of the realm of race,

that's like almost a Wild West level of sense of justice. But we don't live in the Wild West anymore. And our... Frontier justice. Some people think they do. Right. Yeah.

Some people live worse than the wild west right now. You know, the funny thing is, man, even in the wild west, you know, you go before a judge and you'd lay out, he pushed me. So I shot him. I don't even think back then it would have flown. Right. It's a matter of, do you get caught and does the community mad at you? You know? Right.

Right. But even in the 1800s, our sense of justice wouldn't have forgiven that proportional use of force. I want to get into your prediction going forward that you think this is going to be racially explosive in America. Well, I don't think Carmelo has a snowball's chance in hell on his appeal. None. I agree. You don't, you know, a right to a jury of your peers. I do think this will come back into the news, and that will probably be what it hinges on, that concept, a right to a jury of your peers.

But a right to a jury of your peers does not mean anything racially. It doesn't mean anything racially. In fact, the Supreme Court has... How many people know that? It's explicit. I know. They don't. You're right.

But I'm making the legal part. But I'm making the legal part right now. We'll get back to the conversational part. Yeah. The Supreme Court has said specifically that does not mean you get somebody that looks like you on a jury. It means your peers is usually your quote unquote neighbors, right? So you live in this neighborhood. You're put on trial in this jurisdiction.

Then the people on that jury are from your... jurisdiction. I'm not going to be tried by a bunch of New Yorkers in Texas, right? This is what we mean by peers. Carmelo and his family lived in Frisco. Historically, a white community. Everybody knows is racially changing. Everybody's heard the stats about 30% Indian and, you know,

of course, everybody knows about Latino growth in Texas and there's been a lot of, actually you talked about, you know, South Dallas, a lot of black migration to Collin County. That's right. Different parts of it. Right. So it's getting pretty diverse. But, But from what I understand, and I spoke to the prosecutor about this,

I think it was only two or three black jurors in the pool, and they all disqualified themselves. Right. They all disqualified themselves saying they could not be impartial. Done. Over. So nobody did anything here that's appealable legally with the jury. Right. But to that point, Will, people don't know that aspect of the facts.

they just hear that three black people, and by the way, most of the Supreme Court decisions on the jury maker is about the jury pool, which is what they're going to confront right now, right? You're not even entitled for a jury that is set on that gets selected of a racial demographic, right? But the jury pool has to be reflective of the community, right? So there's been multiple times. challenges to the Supreme Court where people have similar cases, right, where they wanted a makeup to look like them. And it didn't. And the prosecutor has cause to strike people. So they're going to challenge that. I do think this and Will, you can bet your money on it. At some point, you're going to see a challenge for ineffective counsel. Ineffective counsel. No. And I'm going to tell you why. You know this, Lawrence.

You know this. Their court-appointed lawyer for free is one of the biggest time criminal defense lawyers in North Texas. Of course he is. Him and the prosecutor used to practice together. You fired him? How about those apples? They struck gold on their court appointee. They struck gold and fired him.

And then spent money on this guy who, by the way, all my buddies tell me, good lawyer. Good lawyer. The guy that they got. Yes. Yes. But you know what? You also, and look, I don't know his parents. I don't know his parents.

I'm going to prefer. I'm just speaking. Take the motion out of this. This is from law student to fellow lawyer I hear. This case could have been solved with a simple plea deal. Totally. Camillo probably would have just been spending 10 years in prison, 7 to 10 years in prison. I totally agree.

Fall on his knees. fall on his knees, take responsibility, apologize. And by the way, I think Carmelo, the other thing about this is, I think Carmelo should, even as it is, be thanking his lucky stars. I think 35 years, which means probably 17 in prison, is, thank your lucky stars for murder. That's as good as it gets. The only reason, and I hate to keep going back to this,

the only reason why that did not happen is because you had people from the outside exploit this situation. And they did a racial narrative that never even made it into the courtroom, ever. Right. It never made its way into the court. There was no suggestion of it. And by the way, can I just say one thing because we didn't have much time to talk about it. But the prosecutor didn't even get over their skis, right?

They didn't even overcharge. They didn't overcharge. They didn't paint. They didn't do this long process. They kept it bare bones. They didn't try to go for the juggler here. They just put on a simple murder case. And that was it.

No flashingness. It was one week. None of that. Is that because they're age, probably, because they're younger? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So.

Twofold. I think there was always sympathy at every level. When I say sympathy, some level of sympathy from the prosecutors to the judge to the jurors, everybody involved, took Carmelo's age into account. That's why he got what he got. It's not because there was some debate about his guilt. This was an open and shut case. It was less than a week, I believe, or was it five, six days.

That in a murder trial, that's boom, boom, boom. It's done. And the jury was gone for two hours, right? Yes, because the evidence was so clear. And, you know, what did it for me, too, not just to witness that, because I want to to know who Camelo knew under the tent. But when the defense put on a witness, they straight up lied. And by the way, the prosecution has such grace with this, this young man who said that Camillo was surrounded, right? He goes one out of like 12 witnesses said that, right?

Right, right. And folded, by the way, folded. The prosecutor looks at him like, now look at the video. That's not true, is it? What's what I saw? This is what I saw. But that's not in the video. Here's the video. And he crumbled. He crumbled on the sand.

And at that point, that was it. Now, how many people know about that? A lot of people don't know about that. I know my friends didn't know about it. So, you know. Okay, so what happens, Lawrence, really quick. So what is your prediction? Like, I'm disheartened, Lawrence.

You actually give me more hope. Because if, see, here's the thing, if people are misinformed, then information can solve misinformation. You see what I'm saying? Like, if there's a significant percentage of Black America that is supporting Carmelo Anthony because they don't have the facts, they're misinformed, which, by the way, I think you're right, there's plenty of reason to be misinformed or people purposely trying to misinformed them. Dominic Alexander being one of them, right? Saying it was an all-white jury. False. Right.

false not an all white jury um so but if you're right that gives me hope that means the truth can set you free that means the truth will guide you but if you're wrong lawrence and people don't get damn about the facts and they're tribalistic and they're seeking revenge that's kind of what you described earlier systemic revenge that's really really scarier and more disheartening and more pessimistic and I feel like I have a lot of evidence. And by the way, Patrick and I've talked about this. You know, I do believe that black America for the last 15 years. Yeah, I think that's a pretty fair estimate.

Let's say starting in about 2013-14, didn't give a damn about the facts. They didn't give a damn about the facts in Michael Brown. They didn't give a damn about the facts in Trayvon Martin, which, by the way, Trayvon Martin, I think you can care about the facts and still come out in a gray area on that one. Oh, 100%. Less so on Michael Brown. Less so on Michael Brown. Less so even more on, let's go, what, what was it, Maciah? Macia, what was it, Macias last name, Bryant?

Macia Bryant. She was, you know who she is? Remember her? She's the one LeBron commented on. She's the one with the knife. She's the one LeBron commented on. Oh, that's right. That's right.

That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. knife attacking another black girl about to stab her cop-shoots or saves the other black girl. That's right. Brianna, Brianna Turner. Taylor.

Taylor, Taylor, full of misinformation. By the way, also, that one, these are more complicated cases than Carmelo. Way more. But still, but still didn't. There's evidence. And then there's Jacob Blake. That one was pretty clear, by the way. Jacob Blake, bad deal.

By the way, that's his dad, Jacob Blake's dad, who was out front of Carmelo Anthony's trial saying horrific things. Did you see that? Wow. I didn't know that was his father. He's the guy out front of Carmelo Anthony's trial. What is he saying, guys? Do you remember that stuff?

Was he saying, we're here to kill crackers? Do you remember the guy saying all the cracker stuff? Cracker, cracker, cracker, cracker, video. Did you see that, Lawrence? He said, only good crackers is a dead cracker. Yes, I saw that. Only good crackers a deck. That's Jacob Blake's father.

That's Jacob Blake's father. So all those cases, and then, of course, George Floyd as well, I just don't think there was any interest in the facts. And so that's what makes me very, very concerned. And this is what Patrick and I've talked about. There's going to be a, I think it's already begun, whipsaw effect, that kind of black tribalism will lead to white tribalism. And now we're post-justice, post-facts, just simply in the tribal. tribalism world. Well, look, I don't think it's going to lead that. I think we're there. That's what I think we're there. I think we're there. It's already happened. And it's

unfortunate, man, because I do think the bulk of America, the bulk of America, they reject this stuff. They really do. They reject this. I have conversation. I think I got pretty much the best diverse group of friends politically and from a racial standpoint. point as well, right? And I think in large part, most of them rejects. But every once in a while, it rears his head. It rears his head where the people feel like they have to fight for the group, right? And there's proper fighting for the group, by the way. Let me explain. I want black Americans. to succeed. And so I try to invest in schools that impact our neighborhood. I try to do back to school. Wait, wait. You want, you want Black America to secede. That's right. I do. I do.

And I want our education system. Hold on. Hold on. Dan. Dan, is Adam Krola there yet? I haven't seen him walk in. Not yet. We're waiting on them. Okay. So I'm under no time pressure here with Lawrence. Adam Kroll was going to be joining us here in this moment. Do you want Texas? to succeed too? Because I'm kind of into that. No, no, no, no, not succeed, but I mean, like, be successful. Oh, I thought he said succeed. Right, right, right, no, no, no.

That's his accent, dude. I'm sorry. I'm so, I'm so country, and I would expect to text them to understand my country, thank you, thank you. Did you, did you hear succeed? Did you hear succeed or succeed? I heard succeed. I knew what he was saying. I heard succeed.

And by the way, I thought, This is about to get interesting. I want to know what he means. I wasn't bad. I'm like, this is going to, what does he mean? Let's get into this. That would have been a good podcast. But when I say that some of my white friends, they do, that does perturably.

Why can't you just say all of us succeed? Now, why you got to racialize in and all that? It's like, you know, it's like when people say they're colorblind, it always bugs me because we, we all see color. We do. And I do. I do want my community to succumbed. I do want our education. Can I add to that? I want Black America to succeed. Succeed. Right. Right. See, there you go. I want, I do. I do, Lawrence. And I don't say that

abstractly like, oh, I want this demographic. No. Right, right, right. I find Black America's success story or, or, you know, to be honest, some great level of a lack of a success story. confounding and something that we need to solve as a country, but needs to be controlled, it needs to be solved primarily by you, not me, because you have the ability more than I, you know, you and I being, um, right, right, right. No, I follow you. I follow you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so like, I can acknowledge the difficulty of history and the position it puts black America in to succeed from, right? And I, like, that's real. But I think, right, right, right, right. the people that control the conversation in in black america literally won't fast forward

the clock from then and they hold i truly believe this i think that there's two things that hold black america back on its success story okay that we're getting real now one i think it's plagued with hustlers i think there are jesse jackson light ever since his success story personal success story. Right. You have an army of people who have been launched. And what they do is they sell victimhood to the masses. And we know that it sells.

It sells to everybody. Everybody. Right. Right. And so it's sports commentators. We could rattle off the names. It's political commentators. You can rattle off the names.

And I truly believe they're a cancer on Black America. I truly believe they peddle victimhood, which is a cancer. victimhood teaches you that you can't, not that you can. That's one. Go ahead. We'll do part two in another podcast, but I'm going to give you the Cliff Nose version on what I believe will turn this around. It's very simple.

And it's the debate, honestly, we're having in society right now. It's going to be capitalism that solves Black America. Capitalism versus Socialism. For a long time, the people that are smart said how you improve my community is education. And I think that is wrong. I think their hearts were in the right place, but that's wrong. I do want school choice to happen because our kids need quality education. But just because someone becomes college educated doesn't mean that you solve the issue.

Honestly, I think the college education is making it worse because what they do. teach on the college campuses is much of the same ideology. But if you solve it with green, yes, it's money. Because once you understand what the green is, you're going to start doing business with everyone, you're going to get yourself out of the community or you're going to build the community up and you're going to realize the exchange of green matters more than anything in this country. That's what matters.

And by the way, Lawrence, we're not. It's not theoretical. We can pick from other ethnic groups who have to have to have to have to had to come from behind the eight ball. Now, this is where the conversation gets derailed. It's like, well, not behind the eight ball as much as this ethnic group. Fine. But whatever you put it, Jews post-World War II, Asian Americans post-World War II, there are success models to pick from, to look at. And you're right.

Once you get there, it's like, you know, everybody is, everybody looks out for number one in business. meaning every human being an individual, and you do business, and you let the best win, and all that. Now, is education a critical component on the way to success through capitalism? Part of it. Yes. Not not. Yes. But that doesn't mean you go to a university.

You know, you just got to be informed. You got to be informed, you know, on certain things. So that deserves a deep dive. Can I know you got, do you have to go? Do you have to go? No, no, I'm all set. Okay. Let's take a quick break.

continue this conversation with Lawrence Jones, co-host of Fox and Friends here on Will Cain Country. Welcome back to Will Cain Country. We're still hanging out with the host of Fox and Friends, Lawrence Jones. We can do a part two, and we should continue this conversation. I know that everybody that ever talks about race says, oh, everyone should talk about race like this, but whether the audience feels a certain way or not, all I know is I appreciate this conversation. I appreciate the ability to speak honestly. The other one, Lawrence's culture. And that's the harder God's honest truth conversation. And okay. So I point to, okay. So we start with this. Not all cultures are equal. I think you believe that. Everybody

believes that, right? Like you look at Islamic countries versus Christian countries and this and that. And so this isn't race. This is culture, right? Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. There's a way you live your life. The patterns of living life, right? Right. And there are some corrosive elements in black American culture that gets in the way of success. And I don't think that's even controversial. We know that.

Look, to be honest, and I know this is like a Ben Shapiro take, but he's right. There's uplifting and downgrading music. And you feed that into your brain on a regular basis and it has an effect. It's just true. And it's true of everything, you know? I disagree. Well. I totally.

disagree on the music part because, you know, I think that if you want to expose black people more to that economic message, that that is through music, right? That is that that that that is why Donald Trump was loved in black America before he ran for president, right? Because everybody wanted to be the Donald Trump. Every rapper pretty much has had used Donald Trump. as a comparison. The reason why I pushed back against that, because that would be equivalent to saying that video games is bad for white culture. I disagree with that. It's expression. Video games, it's expression, right?

It's entertainment. But, Lawrence, it manifests. It manifests into, and I know you've dealt with this, Lawrence. I'm sure we haven't talked about. I'm sure you have. It manifests into you're not real. unless you buy into the culture of degeneracy, as it manifests in a couple of different ways.

You know, you're a sellout, you're this. If you succeed on these traditional metrics, then you're not real. And that's a problem culturally. I guess I would say, give me an example of what you mean by that. When you say it's not real. What do you mean? Having a flashy car, having the, what do you mean?

How about this? There's plenty of research to back this up. And anecdotally, and I think statistically, the black kid in class who is doing well is not celebrated, but rather maligned. He is not seen. Of course he's maligned. Well, the music is one part, one part that leads to a culture that venerates, venerates not success unless it comes in one of two ways. really on the athletic field or in the music industry. It venerates that kind of success and it downgrades other success.

What if the music is just an expression of that part of the culture? 100% it. Everybody says that. It says that, but you choose what to express, right? You choose to exalt or you choose to, you know, revel in the... Doesn't mean you're sad all the time. Okay. Let me give you a version.

Doesn't sad music make you sad? It can make you happier. You could live in the sadness, you know? I'm going to be honest with a little. The music is Donald. And I'm very sad. Yeah. I know you are.

The music is Donald Trump. Nice car. Jet. Right. Gold. Should I keep going? That's part of it. Women.

Right. Part of it is also crime, violence. That's. It talks about that stuff, too. Well, that, but that's only parts of it. Right? It's like, you know, how do you obtain that? Now, should certain things be critiqu- But all I'm saying is that is entertainment, is entertainment.

Now, do we need to finesse some things within the culture to correct the routes to get there? Absolutely. But you're talking about a bulk of people on a low second social economic status that are trying to get there. right? So you got to teach them how to get there, right? How to be the billionaire. I don't agree with, you know, some of the stuff, you know, having all the women and all that type of stuff. But, you know, you can build to that. But who's going to do the teaching, Lawrence? And this is going to back to the culture issue. Who's going to do the teaching? Well, I know my answer, you know? I think to some degree I know your answer. Fathers do most of the teaching on the right way to live and the right way to succeed. A hundred percent. And 70 percent of black kids are born into single family, you know, no father.

So single mother homes. Yeah, but it's single mother's home. See, and Will, I used to say this stat all the time because I was, I was guilty of it because I know the impact that it had on my child that having my father there, right, in the home. Right. But just because a father is not in the household doesn't mean that the father is not present. in the child's life. Right? Yeah.

And guess, but it doesn't have to be zero to lose the impact. Well, I'm not saying it's zero will, but I'm saying they don't track that. They don't track if the father is present. Divorce is running rampant. You're getting ready to see that number skyrocket amongst every single racial group. Fathers are not in the household, but that doesn't mean they're not present. that doesn't mean they're not present. Now, what I say will, the majority of kids that I dealt with in the juvenile system

did not have their fathers at all 100%. Probably 90% of them weren't present in their life at all. Right. Never saw them in a court appearance. So I'm not trying to discredit what you're saying because it does matter. It does matter. Having my dad to discipline me when I tried to buck up and all that, having them be right there does matter.

But I've evolved on that particular point. If you could prescribe, if you could prescribe one thing, and you only get one to supercharge the black success story, what would that prescription be? Mine would be the fatherhood issue. Mine would be financial literacy. That's what it would be. It would be financial literacy. You got to know money, man. We're important to education.

You got to know money. Yeah. You need education of how the money works, how it travels, what you should invest in, what you should do. And it will change your whole money. My mentor tells me this all the time. LJ. money is freedom. There is a general. People will stop thinking that they're in.

press when they realize that if they just had a little bit of money, you don't have to be rich. You don't have to be rich, but you need a little bit of money to navigate this world. And for Americans, if you're an American, it is open for you. It is open sesame for you. And so my message for young people is teach these young people financial literacy. Just because they have a father in their home doesn't mean it's got to check. Camelo's dad was there. Yeah, I know.

It's no guarantee. Yeah, it's no guarantee. It's no guarantee. But it's, I think, I just think I'm a little further back on the scale than you are. So in other words, like, who's going to teach financial literacy? It's not going to be the school. So it's everything, every life lesson comes from essentially, and I'm not discounting the role of a mother. A mother teaches a kid other things in life that are important.

but so much comes back to that father. It does. I mean, most of the time you're going to learn financial literacy from your father. Most of the time you're going to learn you don't stab in response to a push from your father. You're also going to learn from your father, you know, he hits you, you hit him. He's going to teach you that side of the equation too. The mother is going to teach you empathy and love and those things that are important. I think strong educators are important too, though.

100% You can't put that much on them, man You can't put that much on them I still think it's more important than people realize That's a big deal And I think for about 10 years I had the same perspective as you

I mean I wrote a whole book American man Where I'm talking about If you want to solve America Men have to take their place in society So I agree with you I'm not going to say I don't give up on anything. So I'm not going to say I've given up because I haven't.

But I have found another way, I think, from my perspective. Are you going to do something? Are you going to create an organization or write a book about this? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Every time, do I have to break news every time I come on here about something happening in my life? I'm just a good listener.

I'm just a good listener. All of a sudden. You're a good lawyer. You're a good lawyer. That's what it is. Can't be everybody's dad, so I guess I'm going to have to write a book about financial literacy. I mean, basically.

Guys, I don't think Adam Crowe is happening. I don't know. I kind of check around the floor. He's not there, so we're in wait. All right. But we're happy to have Lawrence. Lawrence has been kind enough. Oh, no, man.

I always enjoy. I think we have real conversations. Agreed. I did. Thanks for texting me. I'm glad you texted me. I said you want to do this. I did a poll.

I did a poll question of the audience if you want to hear. I said, can Americans still have an honest conversation about race? 54% said yes and 46% say no. So it's a little split. Well, when you can, it's a rarity, I feel like. You know why people can't have an honest conversation? race is sensitive.

It's sensitive. Race is sensitive. It's just like everybody comes from different background perspectives. It's emotional. And that's okay. But when you're having a conversation, you've got to take the offenses, especially when you're operating with someone in good faith

and put that to the side. So when I say something that offends you, I'm not saying it to hurt you. I'm just offering you my perspective, then you can go back and forth and all that type of stuff. But we can't, everybody always says honest conversation. But honesty only happens if the person can give their unfiltered worldview on the matter without being chestized as a hateful person. You said it, so I feel like I'm allowed to say it now, but like law school. Can I mention law school?

Yeah, yeah, you can say? say, you can say. Have you read much Justice Thomas yet? I have. I just read his opinion, which was great on the birthright citizenship. Correct. Correct. A genius. Oh, yeah, legal mind.

One of the best Supreme Court justices in the history of America. Only problem for Justice Thomas is for a large part of his career, he was overshadowed by maybe the best ever in Scalia. but, um, like if you're carving a mountain of Supreme court justices, Thomas is on there. Oh, 100% and you combine that with his bravery. You talk about being called a sellout and Uncle Tom and everything else under the sun. And by the way, his personal story, you do his personal story, Lawrence, like where he grew up and, and all that, like, he grew up, uh, I think it's South Carolina. Was it Georgia or South Carolina? I think, I think South Carolina in the, in the, like, I don't,

I want to get this right, but like the swamp backwoods of South Carolina in like a tiny town. He had to walk into town, which I believe town was Charleston. It could have been Savannah. I could have been, I can't remember. And he grew up speaking Gullah. Gullah is a regional African-American dialect. It's not, I don't even know if it sounds like, I've never heard Gola. So I don't know if it sounds like English or what it is.

So he literally had he had to learn English basically. What an amazing man. Incredible. He's not my favorite justice. Thanks for hanging out. Even though he's on my Mount Rushboard, my current favorite justice is Neil Gorsuch. Really? Because we just have 100%.

Wow. I haven't read enough Gorsuch. I feel like he's been... I mean, he's a fairly new justice, so that's understandable. But Neil Gorsuch is... Among the new guys, I would have picked Alito. I mean, he's not that new. He's been around from...

He's not new. He's old. He's one of the older ones. Gorsuch is good. Well, I know, but new for me because he wasn't there when I was in law school. Oh, I got you. Well, you're that old. I'm sorry.

Yeah, that's right. Okay. I got the instructions, Dan. Adams coming up. All right, Lawrence, it's been a lot of fun. Thanks for hanging out with this, man. I appreciate you all the time you've given us. All right, take care, buddy.

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Are you getting Adam on? Yeah, there's a lot of things going on right now, but it's all right. Yeah. Oh, there he is. Are you in the building? You're in the building somewhere in New York? Yeah, I'm actually in Dr. Drew's condominium. Oh, really?

Yeah. You guys are pretty good buddies then, huh? Do you stay with Dr. Drew when you come to New York at him? Well, I stay in his condo oftentimes if he is not in New York. So we're close enough that I use his condo, but not so close that we're actually spooning together in the same bed. You don't want to wake up in your boxers and have coffee together in the morning, but you're happy to come over at his con. I do, but his wife is so uptight. I don't even want to bring her up.

Oh gosh. Either this is a really good friendship or we found the cracks in the friendship that we shouldn't be airing publicly. I don't know which at this point is the accurate description. Oh, we've done some crack finding. That I can promise you. Adam Carolla, host of the Adam Carolla show, who's also featured on Fox Nation's newest evil America's daredevil. It's about evil can evil. Before we get into evil, can evil, Adam, I'm curious about something. You know, I watch you.

I see you. I saw you recently with Bill Maher. And I'm familiar, right? I'm familiar with your commentary and your kind of point of view. I was thinking about this this this morning, Adam. And I was thinking about this kind of in context of what's going on in America.

I'm seeing, you know, the rise of the Democratic Socialist and so forth. And I was just thinking, I wonder, are you optimistic or pessimistic about sort of the next 20-year arc of America? Well, I guess I would be optimistic for some people and pessimistic for others. You know, I always said when Dr. Drew, who would say to me, where are we going, what's the future?

Because I was predicted a lot of things. You know, I wrote a book 16 years ago called And 50 years, We'll Be Chicks. And most of the stuff I wrote about came true pretty fast. And so I told Dr. Drew the future is going to be safe spaces and octagon. We're just going to people who want to be free, want to own guns, want to have a good time, want to wakeboard, want to not have the federal government involved with their lives to the extent that they do. And blue cities are just going to move to Florida or Texas or where have you. and then the bluer cities, the Seattle's and the L.A.s and the Manhattans and the Portland's are just going to get bluer,

and then they're going to fall apart, and then they're going to have to go to the red states to try to bail them out or fix them or beg them not to leave with their businesses and their taxes. So if you live in a L.A. or Seattle or a Manhattan, it's going to get worse over the next 20 years. But if you want to move to Florida, then I think it'll get better. Do you think, okay, that's political tribalization. I just got done speaking like 45 minutes with Lawrence Jones about race. Do you think we're headed towards more racial tribal tribalization? I think you'll head toward more in those cities that cultivate it like those blue cities. I think when you get outside of those cities, you're not going to.

see it, it's not cultivated. There's, you know, the politicians can't run on race and newspapers can't count on circulation because of race. So you leave all the race hustlers behind. The race hustlers are your Gavin Newsom's and your Karen Basses and all Mondani and all those. You'll leave and the LA Times and the New York Times. You're just going to get away from the race hustlers. So it's going to be more and more of a thing in the blue.

cities and less and less in the red cities. Let's take quick break, but continue this conversation with Adam Carolla here on Wilcane Country. Okay, so what you describe is a pretty balkanized America, or at least bifurcated America. Now, I do try to be somewhat familiar with history to realize we weren't always like one huge unified kumbaya circle. In fact, one could argue, really, that's a specific period of time that lasted from about 1935 or 1940 through, let's call it 2010.

And what we're doing is kind of going back to who we were before that. We were always balkanized, tribalized. I say that little bit of history context because I wonder how a nation continues if it's that balkanized. Like, I live in a red state. I have no interest in bailing you out Portland, none. and if you chose that path, we're not unified, you live with your own consequences. So I don't know what that means.

And obviously, violence lurks at the end of every trail. Like, and if we're headed down that trail, the question is, how much further do we go until we hit violence? I mean, I don't know that those cities are going to be that capable of violence. I mean, they're capable of sort of pushing and shoving. and shouting, but I don't know that they're that weaponized or organized, or they don't have training and weapons and things like that. So I just think it's going to keep going. I think it's going to, you're going to move to places in municipalities that agree with

you where you like the school system and the curriculum and the way the place is governed, and you'll just write out your days there. And I do believe that Seattle and Portland and L.A. and the crumbling blue cities will have to come for a bailout at some point. They're going to need help. But I don't necessarily think it's that bad. It's sort of like you have a choice. And if you're in a, you know, if you're in a blue city and you don't like where it's heading, you can you can move to a red city. And if you are in a red city.

Adam. What's that? How come you have it? It's a good, it's a good point. I got my businesses and my properties and things of that nature in Los Angeles. I would live in parts of Los Angeles that were basically little red bastions in the middle of a deep blue city. You know, you don't have do, you know, you can live in, let's say, Orange County, California, and it's a little slice of red in the middle, in the middle of blue, and it's clean and it's nice and it's safe, and people are pretty happy there. They would be miserable if they had to move into Los Angeles, of course, our parts of the San Fernando Valley. But I am planning my escape for, you know, a multitude of reasons. Okay. Okay. I think I

you this last time. Is that Texas? Is that Florida? Is that Utah? What is that? For now, I think it's Nevada. And I know people are sort of like, well, why Nevada? Because, you know, Texas and Florida and all those places are pretty nice. Nevada is striking distance to L.A. And if my kids are in town or if friends or whatever, can literally just get my car and make it, make it. to L.A. in three and a half or four hours. So for me, right, kind of hedging my bets and physically getting out of L.A., but being able to get back for a meeting or an event or what have you.

All right. Okay. Adam is also a part of this new Fox Nation special, Evil America's Daredevil. It's about Evil Knievel. No surprise, really, that Adam would be into Evil Knievel. I mean, you're into cars and masculinity and such. but what is it that he I mean I guess a daredevil does a pretty good job of embodying all of that have you always been into him like since you're a kid were you paying attention what was he the 70s

were you always into evil caneval? Yeah yeah yeah he was hugely iconic back in the day and I you know we were always trying to jump our dirt bikes ramp to ramp and do all that crazy stuff yes that was the idea I mean he's such an American character and you know now you see the cracks and the flaws and the dependencies and things like that back then he was just larger than life and and he lived his life that way and he I mean he's a

really interesting character he's also if anybody is playing the game 20 questions you will win with evil can evil every time because people will say is this person a sports star? And you go, nope. And they go, is he an actor? Nope. Author? No.

Politician? Nope. But I know this person's name? Yep. It's a household name. Yes. And they'll keep asking questions. And every answer will be no, because no, he was not a politician.

He was not an actor. He's not a TV actor. He was not, you can kind of go like, well, he did a little bit of acting, but that's not what he's known for. and then they'll start going crazy. They'll be like, Ben and Jerry, like, nope. They'll never get Evil Caneval on 20 questions. But it's kind of interesting.

That's kind of who he was. He had his own category. And did he become a verb? He became a thing. I'm a little younger than you. So if I'm jumping bikes in the 80s, you know, it's not that I watched Evil Caneval jump the fountains in Vegas, but I knew that

If I did something badass, I yelled evil-kineval. You know, I knew if anybody did anything that you're like, ooh, that was risky. You called that guy evil-kineval. I don't know if kids still hold those two words, evil-k-neville, in that same level of recognition. But nobody replaced it. Let's put it this way. If they don't, they're not yelling somebody else's name. I don't know who would it be.

Johnny Knoxville? I don't know who we're... I mean, the reality is, is... The equipment and the technology has become so advanced that the guys today can do what he did back then because there's technical aspects of it. Like, you know, the whole bike's made of aluminum. They have a mono shock. The rear travel on the suspension was nothing. Now there's like 14 inches. Like they can easily do what he did back then because he was basically. doing it on a street bike. Like, I mean, you have to imagine jumping

and getting that kind of air on essentially a Harley street bike versus a motocross bike, which is just sort of nuts. And I interviewed him back in the day, and he was such a hard ass that I was trying to explain to him that jumping 14 buses on a street bike was insane. And he's like, that Harley's one of the finest

motorcycles that were built. I was like, now I'm not saying anything about Harley Davidson. I'm just saying it on a street bike. Like if you if you looked at the jumps, a lot of the jumps he missed. He made the jump. It's just when he landed, the suspension was so bad that the bike popped up and got sideways and out of shape. And then he would eat crap, you know. So like he made it. he just didn't land some of the stuff because the technology was so old. What is that? Like, it's kind of funny how he's one of one. Like I said Johnny Knoxville, but Johnny did stunts and that kind of thing.

But his bit was bigger than simply, you know, doing a jump. There's maybe it's a market opening. Like, who is the modern day evil can evil? I mean, I guess we watch Alex Honnold free solo. El Capiton and that kind of thing. I just watched this documentary called The Dark Wizard on HBO about this climber who high-wired without a harness,

without any I guess we do have those guys. They're just more in extreme sports. No one's replaced Evil Caneval. No. Because also Evil Caneval wasn't just the stunts and risking his life.

It was having custom Rolls Royces with his name on it, airplanes with his name on it, speedboats with his name on it, action figures, stunt cycles, beating reporters with a baseball bat, and then going in front of the judge and saying he'd do it again, you know, like entering Rolls Royce in a smash-up derby. like the evil caneval wasn't just about the stunt it was about the cape and you know the affect and

and and crashing and living and there was a lot more to it you know it was a lot of it was the dress and the attitude but showmanship yeah red white and blue too all all of that Hey, are you a motorcycle guy? I know you're a car guy. Are you a motorcycle guy too? Everything? Yes, I have. I rode motorcycles pretty much exclusively just for transportation when I was when I was poor.

So I've definitely had a couple of ninjas, a couple of Honda 4004, like some endurros and some dirt bikes and stuff. I'm not a, you know, totally into it motorcycle guy, but I've definitely ridden a lot. I'll tell you what drives me nuts, Will, as a former motorcycle guy. When I see guys in the NFL and they're celebrating a touchdown, they do this move. I'll put my hands up where they go, brum. They do both hands. And I'm like, there's not a throttle on the left side. There's only throttle on the right side.

That's the clutch side, you idiot. So what they need to do is pull in with the clutch side and then do the hands with this side. But they don't do that. They go, room, room. And someone needs to pull them aside to coach and go, you obviously do not write a motorcycle. This is not, Bill Caneel never did this. He did one hand. There would be a long time.

I think someone made a motorcycle with two throttles. I think the last time we had you was in January. So I'm getting you once every six months. And from now on, I just want the interview to be about things that drive me nuts. I want Adam Carolla's things. things that are really bothering me. Last time it was vans, because I told you I wear vans every once in a while, and you told me about all the checkered van guys in L.A.

I just want a list of the latest stuff that's pissing off Adam Carolla. Checkered slip-on van guy is right up there with guy who pulls ponytail through back of ball cap. I want you to know that, Will. No, I'm not in with him. I don't think so. I was in California this weekend, and I'll let you go after this out of it. And interestingly, you're probably never here. You know, it's funny. You got all the money in the world and you're famous. And yet, you don't ever get to this place where I am. And I'm like, I'm 51. I've worn boots and jeans most of my life, but I do enjoy comfort now. And everything's built around footwear. And I was in California, and I ended up talking to this guy.

and it was in Ohio, which is beautiful, by the way. And I said to my wife afterwards, that dude was really California, right? And she's like, yeah, like he had on the slip-on leather shoes that, you know, they're not loafers, they're loose construction. And he had it on the cardigan over the t-shirt and swoopy hair. You know, he looked like a well-to-do California guy. And I was like, but I can't do that look. She's like, no, you can't do that look. And, you know, I'm at that stage where if I'm not in boots and jeans, I don't know the look.

I don't feel like you've ever struggled with that, Adam. Let me tell you something about you and your slip-on fans. That is a gateway shoe to a crock. You understand? No. No. Oh, yeah, sure. You say no.

They all say no. But six months later, we're rocking the crocs. So be very careful. It's literally a slippery slope you're on. I'd like to think I can draw a line, Adam. I can draw a line. Check in with me in a couple of years. We'll see if I'm.

I'm wearing crooks. I'm going to put my bed on. No, I will. Okay. All right, check out Adam. Of course, at the Adam Carolla show, but also on evil America's daredevil. It's up now at Fox Nation. Adam, always good to talk to you. Thanks for your time today. Thanks, well. All right, take care. There you goes, Adam Carolla. Before we go, two a day, Dan, ten, four, Pat, I have something, man, there was a lot of things that we discussed. You didn't send me any viewer comments. Oh, I never got to Mexico with Adam. Yeah, here's what I want to say.

Okay? Bring you guys back up. Yeah, I wanted to ask Adam about that. I totally forgot about this. All right, so I tuned in last night. And Mexico versus Ecuador. Now, I don't know if this hits your radar. It hits my radar for a couple of reasons.

A, I'm into the World Cup. I'm into soccer. B, I live in Texas. And honestly, the Mexican national team, If we're being real, like, I see evidence of its popularity as much as I see evidence of the in New York, too. The U.S. team, right? In New York, really?

Oh, yeah, big time. I'm not going to do the thing I did yesterday about who you should be rooting for. But I am going to say there is an awesome level of passion around that Mexican team. And it was in Mexico City, Azteca. And the passion was off the charts, off the charts. The people were going nuts. see a three people died in the celebration afterwards? No.

Have you seen the videos of people on the streets? No. Asphyxiation. Crushed. Man, you forget that's a real deal. Don't get in big crowds. Don't get in big crowds. But what struck me was the beginning of the game.

And it's not just a Mexican team. I've seen it with a couple of teams now. I don't know what you're laughing at, Patrick. I think he's muted. I was just talking to myself, so. Sorry. I'm trying to do a lot of things here, guys. I know.

Were you muted? Saying something and muted again? I just don't trust you to mute yourself. That's why I don't keep your fator. I meet myself all the time, except for that one time I cleared my throat this week. That's all it took. The Mexican team was standing there, belting out their national anthem.

every single player on the team. Watch this. Look at that. And the people in the stands. Belting. And, man, belting it out. Not like,

not mouthing the words. Like, it jumped it out to me. Singing loud. What's that? It jumped out to me noticeably before you even texted us. I was looking at it.

I was like, wow, they really loved their anthem. And if you show the American team, first off, you show a football team, basically nobody is. You know, there are guys standing stoically. There are some guys standing looking down. Maybe that's the culture of football.

And maybe because it's not a national team, you know. They're just playing the anthem before a professional game. If you show the U.S. men's national team, you're going to probably hit 50% tonight. You watch, we've got a big game tonight. This is it. We've got to win, Bosnia. I'd say 50% of the guys will be singing it, you know. then another 25%

will be standing there stoically, you know, reverently and then another 25% maybe looking down or shifting their weight back and forth or something like that. I'm just saying 100% of Mexico was belting it out. And I've seen it with a few

other teams in this World Cup and I just was like, what? What? You're going to show America now? Yeah, let's see. All right, let's see it. What's so proud stripes and bright stars I haven't seen the team

I only see the singers Who are these pretty boys? Dan and Shane is making Tom Cruise is singing I mean this is bad video We haven't seen the men's team Always seen as one player Tim Riem who was singing The camera is trained on Dan and Shea

I know what are you doing guys There we go. Okay. Pulisic Adams are singing. Is McKinney? Yeah, McKinney's singing. I think McKinney's singing. Maybe it's the style of our anthem, too, you know?

That it's a little more subdued. It's a ballad instead of like a... But the song is an old drinking song. So they took an old drinking song and then added words to it. So it should be something that's... Mexico? No, us. Or America?

America. That's an old drinking song? I didn't know that. Yeah, it's like an English drinking song. It was a very popular song of the time, and we, and Francis Scott Key added the words to it. Well, it's not quite everybody in the club getting tipsy. I mean, that's a drinking song. Imagine drinking at the bar with everybody.

Yeah. I tweeted this out last night. I mean, it could be that they don't have. critical theory or a reckoning of all the sins of their forefathers in Mexico, or they don't have an education system that teaches them how evil Mexico is. I don't know. I'll profess ignorance. I don't know much about the Mexican education system or the state of Mexican politics

and the internal debates. But it could be that there's not a whole segment of society or a political party that's constantly trying to capitalize on anti-Mexicanism. Instead, we have that here, anti-Americanism. It's literally part of the platform of the DSA now. the new monikers of the new flag bearers of the Democrat Party. It could be that. They were literally breeding hatred of country in America,

that they're not doing so in other countries. Go ahead real quick, Patrick. So just in case you are interested in getting crocs, they have like a lot of accessories, including, you know, the balls they put on the trucks, that you can get some of those for the back of your crocs. So just the next time Adam's on. Yeah, truck nuts.

But you have a lot. for crock nuts as well. Do you wear crocs, Patrick? No. That's too much. I would say vans are further away from crocs than what you wear, Patrick. You do, Dan?

I wear the ones without holes, though. Hey dudes. Hey dudes are closer to crocs than vans. Hey dudes are worse than all of them. Too thick. Hey dudes in my mind are one step away from CROX. Yeah, to the further words. There's no intermediary step between hey dudes and crocs.

That's literally your next step is into Crocs. You're just saying, like, I live here now. This is who I am. I've given up my footwear choices, and that's it for the rest of my life. Well, I live in Florida, yeah, we have given up. That's kind of what you said. I mean, I'm not going to be a flip-flop guy, so, yeah. And I'm not going to be a crock guy.

Are flip-flops worse than all those? They might be. Yeah, that's bad. No, no, I love flip-flops. You wear them with jeans? You're a flip-flop with jeans guy? Timeless and traditional. There was a time.

Not anymore, but after my weekend in California, you know, my boys wore flip-flops. How about this? I was this really nice golf course? I just can't, he's going to hear this. Every time I do this, this clip gets back. Don't clip it. I'm just having trouble getting him to stay between the lines.

You know what I mean? He's constantly pulling his truck into the ditch. And as a result, we're all pulled into the ditch. and so we're going to play golf and getting him up for a non-a-a-t time is really tough anyway and what does the dude come strolling out in? Cackies, because it's a nice golf course

and it was a little cold in the morning and flip-flops. I'm like, dude, you can't golf in flip-flops. I had to send him back and he was super upset with me like, yes, I can. I play on public courses all the time in flip-flops. I'm like, we're not playing on a public course. You can't play in your flip-flops.

But, no, they literally won't let you. But I'll have to say, he didn't look bad. The flip-flops with the pants, it didn't look bad. Flip-flops are only good in a locker shower or by the pool. That's it. That's all they're good for. Like rainbows or harry-maris, leather, a leather flip-flop, not rubber. Not like that.

No one must see your toes. Yeah. I got nice toes. I don't know about your toes. My toes are nice. They're not good, Will. For myself. You haven't seen my toes.

You don't. No, I'm going to say yours are. Fine. Mine aren't. I don't want to see my feet. I agree. I believe you on that. I believe you on that.

I don't want you wearing footballops either. That's going to do it for us today here on Will Can Country. Hope you follow us on Spotify or Apple. We'll see you again next time. Listen to ad free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcast. And Amazon Prime members, you can listen to this show, ad free on the Amazon Music app.