Will Cain Country - Charlie Kirk's Words Distorted By Democrats (ft. Theresa Payton & Jack Posobiec)

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

Story #1: Will warns that the Left's celebrations or excusing of Charlie Kirk’s assassination has unleashed a political and cultural “freight train.” Normal Americans are being radicalized by the rhetoric, distortions, and silence from Democrats, and it's not just from those online.   Story #2: Former White House Chief Information Officer and CEO of cybersecurity firm Fortalice, Theresa Payton joins to examine how alleged assassin Tyler Robinson was radicalized through online echo chambers. She explains how platforms like Discord and Reddit can splinter into dark spaces, recruiting vulnerable people into dangerous ideologies.   Story #3: Jack Posobiec, Senior Editor at Human Events and Author of ‘Bulletproof: The Truth about the Assassination Attempts on Donald Trump,’ sits down with Will to reflect on the assassination’s impact, the climate of left-wing rhetoric, and life inside Turning Point headquarters after losing his close friend.   Subscribe to 'Will Cain Country' on YouTube here: ⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠ Follow 'Will Cain Country' on X (@willcainshow), Instagram (@willcainshow), TikTok (@willcainshow), and Facebook (@willcainnews) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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boarding a southwest flight from Dallas to Houston, I receive an email from one of our great and competent producers here at Wilcane Country. Tough week. Charlie Kurt. Unplug. Get off line. Touch grass. Recovery. It was a great sentiment. It's a difficult ask. But after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, I think we all needed to touch grass. We needed to touch humanity. We need to have a good time. We needed to unplug. We needed to re-center ourselves. We needed to go to church. My weekend was spent largely in the church of football. That southwest flight to Houston was to see a high school football game. In Houston, Texas, where my son did hit a 30-yard field goal and recover an onside kick.

On Saturday, I got up and I went to the University of Texas. Well, not only did I watch Texas struggle to be University of Texas El Paso, but I hung out of frat house. bounced around Austin and interacted with humanity. By Sunday, I was back in Dallas on the sidelines of a youth soccer game and once again, talking to normal people. And what you quickly realize is there is no unplugging from the assassination of Charlie Kirk. This is not something that is a conversation on X. This is something that is a conversation in America.

And I have a warning, and I meanness, in all sincerity and with goodwill. I have a warning to my friends on the left. Get it together or get left behind. You have unleashed a monster. Get ready for the freight train. Let's get into that with story number one. Robert Sterling on X. posted a long rant over the weekend. It resonated, and it also reflected my personal experience

bouncing around the state of Texas. Robert Sterling wrote, On X, my liberal friends are completely oblivious about how radicalizing the last week has been for tens of millions of normal Americans. Zero clue. I'm not talking about people who are online. I mean regular everyday American. Quote, normies. People who scroll through Facebook. Facebook post and Instagram reels from Dutch Bros. Drive-Thru line. Political moderates who have water cooler chats about Mahomes touchdowns and Bon Jovi concerts, not Twitter threads or Rachel Maddow monologues. Millions of them. Tens of millions. They're logging on, they're engaging, and they're furious. And I'll be candid. They blame you guys. They blame

the left. Why? Well, in part, some of what we saw from an artist in the UK, who a few months ago you might remember at a concert chanted death, death to the IDF. This weekend, Bob Villan decided to intro a song with this chant. I want to dedicate this next one to an actual piece of a human being. was worth because if you will be rest in peace Charlie

to like a piece of a piece of shit. Oh, to translate through the English accent in the noise called music. Bob Villan, again, self-described artist in the UK, said, I want to dedicate this next song to an absolute piece of shit. Pronouns was, were. You talk shit. You get bang.

Rest in piss, Charlie Kurt. But Will, what does Bob Villan have to do with the normal left? When I was in Austin, Texas this weekend, I was hanging out with several of my friends. which I would probably in the past described as reluctant supporters of Donald Trump. Not on the left. On the center right, they were absolutely radicalized of the events over the past week. Here, and I quote directly, were some words from one of my friends. I don't even want to talk to my friends on the left. I don't want your text and I don't want your call.

I don't want to talk to my friends on the left. Is that fair? they're not Bob villain. Here's the issue. Context and association. For the past decade, we've watched as the American left has indulged in existential rhetoric around every conceivable issue and disagreement. Whether or not that issue had to do with crime, whether not that issue touched on race. Whether or not that issue had been around transphobic.

transgenderism, whether or not that issue was around fascism and government. Every single disagreement was painted first with an ad hominem attack. Bigot, racist, transphobe, homophobe, misogynist, fascist, Nazi. And painted in an existential light. Ben Shapiro, appearing on the Bill Marshow on Friday night, put it well. You can't for over a decade fill people's ears and minds with the idea that every disagreement is a threat to their personal existence. News reports over the weekends suggest that suspected alleged Charlie Kirk assassin, Tyler Robinson,

had a transgender partner, a male transitioning to female. No one has been more radicalized than the transcommit. community. Dealing with underlying mental health issues, the trans community has been pumped full of drugs, pumped full of victimization. They're out to get you. Pumped full of existential fear, you will be erased and then unleashed on the public. But even broader than the trans community, the Normie left has walked around calling their neighbor a fascist. And then saying it's good to punch a Nazi in the face. No, not everyone on the left is Bob Villain.

But too many on the left have tolerated, indulged, celebrated that type of rhetoric and said nothing while the worst among them celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk. we saw the posts throughout the weekend we saw the news reports at fox this memorial disrupted a 19 year old arrested in arizona that vigil disrupted by horrific chance teachers in the dozens across america nurses in the dozens across America, doctors posting online, excusing the murder and assassination of Charlie Kirk. And then we look at the supposedly normal left and say, are you in the majority? Do you define what it means to be on the left? A freight train is headed your way, courtesy of the normies in the red, white and blue.

today people are playing the quote unquote greatest hits of charlie kirk it's the left playing what they think are condemning comments that do in fact validate that charlie was all the things they've been yelling for better part of a decade they've been saying he's a racist they've been saying you're a racist they've been saying you're a transphobe they've been saying he's a transphobe and today going viral and circulating around the internet are charlie's greatest hits me just ask you, if every single one of those were true, what's your point? If they were all true, why are you talking about them? If he actually were a racist and a bigot and a homophobe

and a transphobe, what's the point? Oh, really sad for his wife, really sad for his kids. I don't advocate for violence. But what do you mean? But, but his greatest hits. Let's talk about then, his greatest hits. Charlie, of course, was a quote-unquote enemy to the trans. Charlie was a transphobia, you're told. Charlie's a horrible human being. Hmm.

Let's together watch Charlie Kirk interacting with a trans person who walked to the front of the line and took the microphone at a event, not unlike the one where he was shot in the neck. Here is a trans person talking to Charlie Kirk. I just want to say I'm a transgender male. What at age should kids be able to get things like hormone therapy? Because I don't know what's true, what's not. Are you comfortable telling me your story?

I've known that since like third grade and I'm currently 19, almost 20. First of all, thank you so much for that. Yeah, of course. So I'm going to have an opinion that very few people will ever tell you, which is I want you to be very cautious putting drugs into your system in the pursuit of changing your body. I instead encourage you to work on what's going on in your brain first. I think what you need first and foremost is just a diagnosis, just someone that is going to listen to what you've gone through, listen to what else is going on. My prayer for you, and again, very few people will say this, I actually want to see you be comfortable. in how you were born.

I know that you might not feel that way, but I think that is something that you can achieve. I think that with the right team and the right people, you don't have to wage war on your body. You can learn to love your body. Now, is that a conversation that is filled with hate? Or is that a conversation that is filled with love? How do you define love?

Maybe that's what we really need to talk about as a country. How do you define love? because there is a large percentage of our country that believes the act of love is affirmation. It is enablement of anything and everything. And there is another part of our community that is brave and all too often rare that thinks it's an act of love to tell the truth. Here is Charlie again interacting with yet another trans individual much more boldly, much more adversarially and aggressively telling that person the truth. Through psychiatric care or psychological care. Transgenderism is a symptom of other underlying issues.

Bipolar tendencies, schizophrenia, anxiety, depression. Instead with kids, we shouldn't say, oh, we tell them that they have a body problem when in reality they have a brain issue that they're dealing with that needs counseling and love and compassion. And guess what? Most kids grow out of it. You do not need drugs. True.

Yes, it is. No, it's true. And Charlie told these same truths on a whole host of issues that today are played out of context. And with screaming headlines to paint him as just one of the things that they have done and said over the past decade. How about racist? Some of the clips going around are Charlie saying, for example, that if he got on a plane with a black pilot, he would wonder about their qualifications, the implication being that Charlie is a racist. But what he's having a conversation about is a truth put into context about affirmative action.

It's a truth that has been said from the bench of the Supreme Court of the United States by Justice Clarence Thomas. When you employ affirmative action and you pursue quotas in service of diversity, equity, and inclusion, you logically create in the populace a question about qualifications. If you say X percentage from X population has to hold X jobs, you're not holding. merit across the board. You're manipulating merit. You're lowering your standards. You're calling into question qualifications. Charlie told the truth about affirmative action and its implications both in reality and in the logical leaps of the human mind. Charlie told the truth about crime per capita crime rates when it came to black Americans. Does that make him a racist or a truth teller? And which one is an act of love? The lie to continue to allow murder?

or the truth to try to correct the problem starting from a place of reality. Let's keep doing a fact check on the quote-unquote greatest hits that make Charlie Kirk a villain and ask about the self-reflection on the left. Coming up on Wilcane Country. Your local Benjamin Moore retailer is more than a paint expert. There's someone with paint in their soul, a six cents honed over decades. And if you have a question about paint, It's almost as if they can read your mind. I sense you need a two-inch angle brush for the trim in your family room. Regal selected an eggshell finish and directions to the post office.

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along with all your Brett Bear favorites like his All-Star Panel and much more. Available now at Fox News Podcasts.com or wherever you get your podcasts. Charlie was called a homophobe. He's a hater. He hates gays. Author Stephen King posted that Charlie advocated for stoning gays. Of course, he never advocated for stoning gays. Of course, he never advocated for stoning gays.

And later, Stephen King had to ultimately post numerous apologies. So how did Charlie think about gays? Well, how about when he was confronted at a culture war conference by an anti-gay Republican? If you had your way, what would you do with gay people in America? What would I do with them? Yeah, because they're not allowed in the conservative movement, so would you just kick them out any time they show up at a Republican Party? If you were in charge, like what would you say,

you can't be part of the Republican Party? If somebody is advocating for being openly homosexual, yeah, they should not be part of the conservative movement. So every, so I just want to go through the list. Guy Benson, no place in the conservative movement. Dave Rubin, no place in the conservative movement. Peter Thiel, no place in the conservative movement. So just to go down the list.

If they are openly, if they are supporting open homosexuality, so I'm going to ask a very respectful question, as respectfully as I can. What does what they do in their private life concern you so much that you have to go up in front of a crowd? Charlie went on to say you don't support Donald Trump. But don't get it wrong. Charlie would quote the Bible. He would talk about morality. Whether not he agreed with homosexuality or what not he agreed with marriage biblically and whether or not it could be anything other than between a man and a woman. But he did so from a place of love. And that's why he had the friendship of Guy Benson and Dave Rubin and Amir Omar, who will be on the Will Kane show today at 4 o'clock on the Fox News Channel, debunking all of the lies told about Charlie Kirk. All of them gay, Amir Omar, a black gay man. you see they allow these clips they allow the screaming headlines to defy him for the left his greatest hits and who they want him to be and who they want him to be is only the thing that they've called me or you

for a decade you're a racist you're a hater you're a homophope you're a transphope you're a fascist but what you don't understand is no one cares anymore not the normies when you stand by At best, and at worst, celebrate murder. Who are you left? Are you this, as we heard, from the Oxford Union in the UK? To effectively create change in the world we desire. Inside, prop will argue that at times there is simply nothing else that can be required other than violent retaliation. And this is a view I wholeheartedly agree with.

The view that some institutions are too broken, too broken. aggressive, too oppressive to be reformed, like cancers of our society. They must and they should be taken down by any means necessary. They must and they should be taken down by any means necessary and violence is an appropriate response. See, I can ask you, who are you on the left? But my fear for you is that I regret to inform you. Normal Americans have decided. who you are. I'll go back to Robert Sterling on X. He said the following. When these Americans see blood erupt from the side of Charlie Kirk's neck, they don't see just a martyred political activist. They think of every extreme leftist they've ever met, who, one, calls anyone to the

right of Hillary Clinton a fascist, and two, constantly jokes, quote, jokes about punching Nazis and bashing the fash. They realize that there really do exist people who, who wish to see them dead for their moderately conservative political beliefs, their Christian faith, and even their color of skin. They ask themselves if the violence visited upon Charlie might one day show up on their own doorstep. And they blame you. Because even if you're just a center of the road liberal, you lack the courage to police your own ranks. You let modern-day Maoist Red Guards run loose across every facet of society.

And what started with social media struggle sessions has now turned into a 30-a-6 bullet. whole. These normal Americans are done. Maybe they're done taking your call. Maybe they don't want to respond to your text. And maybe they will in the future. But I think not before you police your own ranks, not before you achieve some level of self-awareness, as is always the case and as has always been embodied by the life of

Charlie Kirk, the demand is not that you agree, as I had to explain last week, to an institution that I patronize. My demand is not that you reflect my world, although I prefer that you do, but it is not my demand. My demand is that you show basic human decency. And that is lacking on the left and it's not a singular incident and you know it and I know it. And before your guard goes up and your antennas buzz and you retreat to your wall and you say, but there are crazies on the right. Yes, of course. There are always.

But be real right now. Look around. Listen to your friends at the barbecue or the ones that you're seeing post on Facebook. Be real right now. You have a problem. It's not a both sides issue. If you're reading posts that say, oh, what about Josh Shapiro's firebombing of his house? Not done by a righty.

Done by a lefty, a pro-Palestinian lefty that was mad about Shapiro, being a Jew. What about Melissa Hortman in Minnesota? Rip Melissa Hortman. We don't know the motivations of the killer in Minnesota that went after Democrat politicians. We know at least in part he had in his car. no king's flyers. Remember no king's day the protest against Donald Trump because he was a fascist a would-be king? What about the attempt to kidnapping of Gretchen Whitmer, which ended up being entrapment put in place by the FBI? There is no both sides. You have a problem, a big one on the left.

And maybe before you can self-police, maybe you need to also take a minute to look in the mirror. Self-awareness. Are you harboring in your heart the idea that everybody that disagrees with you is a racist and a homophobic. But you're the good person and they're the fascists. Oh yeah, we criticize you. I think that your political beliefs lead to a state totalitarianism in the form of communism. I do. I think it can lead that way. And I don't think you lead with what appears to be empathy, but always is self-congratiatory virtue signaling.

And I think narcissism is more often than not the guiding light. I don't see any real coherent set of principles. And so I have my criticisms and we'll have that debate. But you've got to stop suggesting that everyone that disagrees with you is an existential threat. Not just to America, but to you. Because you've created what I'm fearful of is a majority that can celebrate the assassination of Charlie Kurt. Tyler Robinson was 22 years old, had a transgender boyfriend, girlfriend, transgender person as his partner. He was also really active online on Discord.

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Jump into the comments section. We want to bring you into the show. We want to bring you into the Willisha. We're learning more and more about Tyler Robinson. and we're learning more and more about his online presence. It's something to think about here. Radicalized online, radicalized in our culture, radicalized by politicians. Let's get into it now with Teresa Payton.

She is the CEO of Fortalus. She's also the former White House Chief Information Officer, and we're glad to have her on Will King Country. Hi, Teresa. Hi, Will. It's good to be with you, difficult circumstances, but it's really good to be with you. Thank you. I'm glad to have you. Let's talk about what you've heard so far and what you've learned. It seems, and I think it's going to lead to some interesting and difficult questions as well, but it seems this Tyler Robinson character was very much of an online present, maybe in the dark channels, the Reddits, the 4chans, the discords. But he was there, and it appears that in the days following the murder while he was still at large, which was roughly, I believe, about 33, 36 hours.

He was even kind of, he didn't take credit, but he was interacting about the assassination. You know, what you did before, what you do now, what do you think about what you've learned about Tyler Robinson and his presence online? Yeah, if all of these posts turn out to be true and the investigation is ongoing, so there's a lot we still don't know, it's incredibly disturbing. But sadly, these platforms, Discord, Reddit, Twitch, other types of platforms in and of themselves are not bad platforms. And there's a lot of good connections that can happen on these platforms. But unfortunately, you kind of have these different groups that can get started up and people

can join it. And so you splinter off from sort of sharing things like, hey, I like rolling panda videos or I like to play this game and you can splinter off into lots of different topic areas. And unfortunately, some of these topic areas end up being very dark in some regards. They're recruiting people into ideologies. And I've been warning about this as a parent of three Gen Zs. I've been warning about this issue because it's personal for me. This isn't just hypothetical.

It's not textbook. I'm living it. And I feel a sense of responsibility to make sure that other parents and other, you know, teachers and other people who work with our youth are understanding this enormous responsibility we have. You know, we teach our children, don't talk to strangers. Well, well, there's strangers online. We teach our children, you know, if somebody offers you a piece of candy or asks you, help me go find my lost puppy, can you hop in my car? we teach our children not to do that, but these spaces end up being unmonitored and almost treated differently. And so we've been coming to this place for a long time, and we don't have all the

right governance and guardrails around these platforms. So the story is that Tyler Robinson came from a conservative family. There's been this sort of online fight. Was he a lefty? Was he a ratty? I think his ideology is still being sorted out, but it seems pretty common sense. I mean, in and of itself killing Charlie Kirk hence out of motivation but he came from a conservative family and yet still ended up in this place

and I've read different things and I think you're right let's go ahead and frame everything in it's early in the investigation Patel and Bongino are being very deliberate about what they know and what they don't know at this moment

but from what he wrote on his ammunition reportedly from what he said in these discord chats from his boyfriend that he had from the testimony of his family members and his friends that he had really fallen into some far-left ideology stuff. It makes you wonder how that happens coming from, you know, reportedly this conservative family. Now, I don't think that means that every conservative raises a conservative child.

But to really lose them to the far fringe, that's pretty terrifying. It is terrifying. I mean, you know, basically the evil in this world is reaching out trying to grab our families every day. I mean, that is, you know, what this family is dealing with. And it's unfortunate. And, you know, what I would say is we have to have more conversations about this. And they have to happen from a couple different places. For families, have conversations with. You know, this was a young man at this point, but have conversations with your children all the way through adulthood to talk to them about, you know, how are you getting your news online? How are you socializing online? What places are you visiting? I'd like to be there too. How can I join you in these places? So have those ongoing conversations.

There's not enough resources for families when they do see their loved ones slipping away from them, maybe going into an ideology that is not. not healthy for them, either for self-harm or sort of community harm, there's not enough resources for families to turn to. So we have to do a better job making those available. But also, big tech and our lawmakers in this country need to work together. There are too many instances, not just this instance, but we know recently that we had the lawsuit against Roblox because of different issues on Roblox. We have constant conversations around the addictive properties of algorithms and how maybe that's good and maybe that's bad.

We're having conversations around people are turning to chatbots for relationships that may or may not be healthy. So those types of governance and guardrails, we need to count on Silicon Valley, Big Tech, and our elected officials who make our laws to get together and help us navigate kind of, this brave new world that we find ourselves in. But there are multiple places where the weakest among us, which are our children through young adults, they need our support, they need our care. And candidly, as parents, we need more help. We need more guidebooks.

I work in this industry, but not everybody does. And we just have to have this be a unifying moment versus a divisive moment to come together for solutions. It's not gonna work if only, one group or one ideology says, well, I think I know the way out. We all have to come together, put differences aside, and say our nation, in order to heal, we have got to find the right solution for our young people all the way through young adults, and we have to find the solution. I get some complicated thoughts on that, which I think I'll be airing out in just a moment

with Jack Posobic, the editor of human events here on Wilcane Country. Trees, how about when you're talking, I'm just thinking about Mark Robinson, his father, man, I do think it's worth note of least that, and we'll have to learn a lot more. He turned his son in. Like, that is something. I don't know. I saw somebody post. That's a heroic thing to do because if I can think of anything in this world that I would absolutely do anything for and it's my children, you know, I mean, at some point I would even be like, you know, right and wrong. or secondary to my undying loyalty and purpose on this earth to continue the safety of my children.

And here's a man who saw that's not the right move here. I have to turn in my child. And we'll learn more, but just for a moment, I just want to, I can't imagine. God, I can't imagine what that man had to go through. I can't. And I just, you know, the first thing I thought, you know, after this happened, I thought about Charlie and his family and everybody who had to witness this horrific murder assassination is I thought, oh, the family of whoever did this. Because the loss and the tragedy of you have a loved one who somehow got ripped away from you and your core values and did something like this. And I can only imagine what his siblings and his mom and dad and others are going through

right now. Let me read you this comment from YouTube, Teresa. It's from somebody entitled Young Wolf. Just being on the Internet doesn't radicalize you. It's a huge part, but obviously much more to it than that. And then he goes on to post. How do you go from a presidential scholarship to college to dropping out in six months and assassinating Charlie Kirk?

It is an interesting question. And it does tie into what I started my show with today, and that is just this toxic soup of rhetoric coming from even the highest levels of office on the left about calling your political opponents fascist and Nazis and racist and homophobes and bigots and then repeated through educational institutions from like teachers and so forth all the way throughout just that's the point it's pervasive and it is everywhere on the left and I'm sure his online presence at some point played a role as well but he's swimming even in Utah in a toxic soup of I don't know at least validation and maybe even a charge a charge

that this is the path you should pursue. Murder. One of the things that in studying this for years, and I wrote about this in my book manipulated, is that because we don't spend enough time teaching critical thinking skills and digital citizenship, K through 12 and on, and again, equipping parents to be able

to have these conversations at the dinner table, It is the person who posted that comment. You're absolutely right. Being online and the ability to communicate and collaborate online in and of itself is not a bad thing. But because we skip over digital citizenship and we skip over making sure people have critical thinking skills, then if you don't know what to believe, then it makes you open to believing anything, which is how propaganda and campaigns can happen. And a manipulation campaign can be, you know, anything from you should go to bed early and you should be a health nut all the way through a very damaging ideology, which

leads to somebody thinking murder is an option, which murder is never the answer. And so because we're missing that in this country, it opens up people to the ideology and manipulation. So you're right. people who either were raised or just sort of have critical thinking skills or understand sort of the guardrails of digital citizenship, they are typically not going to be radicalized. But something happened here. We don't know. We may never know what happened to take somebody who had a scholarship to college so off the rails to take another human being's life.

We don't know what happened and we may never know. But that's what's missing in this country. Digital citizenship, critical thinking skills. And again, the governance and guardrails to help parents navigate this uncertainty, laws, group moderation, content moderation, way more can be done. And each time something horrible like this happens, we all ask questions, we have a dialogue about it. But sadly, I have to say, what's changed? changed. Yeah.

Other than our broken hearts are broken again. That question is going to be answered. Yeah, I think that question will be answered in the coming weeks and perhaps months. Something is going to change. I feel pretty confident in that. Something is going to change. I don't know that it's for the better. I don't know that it's for the worse.

But this does feel like not to be too cute, a turning point. All right, Teresa Payton, CEO of Fortalus, former White House Chief Information Officer. Thanks for being with us here today on Wilcane Country. Thanks for having me on. you bet earlier day I was on television and one of the hosts said to me will I hope you will be a voice

you know people are going to turn to you in this moment I hope you have a voice that brings us together that unifies us and I hear Teresa right there you know say you know

this is going to be after an issue that we all get it on you know Charlie Kirk's big thing was that he didn't moderate the truth for a false consensus he did it with a smile he was a happy warrior

he told really uncomfortable truths and that came off as controversial or even provocative and it offended the sensitive and I think that's the path there will be no unity built upon a lie there will be no unity you might get a momentary false kumbaya but you won't get any unity if we don't acknowledge the truth and right now the truth does not require both sides The truth requires the truth about the left. That with Jack Posobic when we come back on Will Kane Country. This episode is brought to you by Square.

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V-I. Porter to learn more. Charlie always listening and was respectful, says Nate Brown on YouTube. I've seen others say, you don't want to see what comes after, Charlie. On that, perhaps. The Onyx codec says, I don't think controversial figures on the right should be canceled, but I believe it's wise for everyone else to keep an eye on them. Otherwise, they might screw things up for the entire movement. I don't fully understand that comment,

and I don't see the problem right now on the right. It is Wilcane Country streaming live at Fox News, Facebook, the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, Spotify, and Apple. Joining me now, and I'm really glad to have him, because I think it's a first, long-wanted, first appeared now, is the senior editor at Human Events and the author of Bulletproof, The Truth About the Assassination Attempts on Donald Trump. It is Jack Posobic. What's up, Poso? Hey, Will. I hope you're doing well. I'm glad to be on here and glad to see her out there telling the story of our good friend.

thank you man i know you guys were good buddies and i'm really sorry for your loss um and uh i know everyone's hearing that a lot but you know it just can't be overstated that you're doing a job you're doing what you're supposed to do you're continuing on with a fight you also lost one of your good friends and i saw i think i just saw a clip i don't think it may have aired jack i'm not sure but i think you sat down and did an interview with cnnn which is kind of shocking on its own yeah it did but you did and and and i saw the host and something to you like, I can't remember. She may have been doing the both sidesism thing, you know.

She might have been doing the political rhetoric thing. And your response was, well, my friend's in a box. Yeah. Well, I think she was, she was better than some of the, you know, kind of hosts have been out there saying, you know, kind of trying to blame both sides and play those games. The way she asked it was, you know, are we in? a war and and that's that's when i responded like that i said i said yes they put my friend in a box and well i don't want to be in a war i don't want to be in a civil war i don't want to be in a

situation where there's where there's bullets flying here in the united states but you know as as a catholic father who's got kids in in a catholic school you know we started this month with that shooting which you know led to armed police at every catholic school in i think this country mine included and having to be there uh as well at our our first mass of the year going into the year and then just i don't even having trouble keep a track of time but i think it's just a week or like like less than a week later you know this happens and i have to explain to my boys that that mr charlie isn't going to be around anymore and and god called him up to heaven and And it's, you know, beyond what my own feelings are, it's just I don't even know how to explain this to my kids having to grow up in a world like this where this stuff keeps happening over and over.

Yeah, I don't know either. And I can hear, you know, I think I know where you are. I consume a lot of your content, Jack. We message here and there and I respect your work. And I can hear the strong. in two things. Obviously, you could hear the personal struggle, but like where we go from here as well, you know, I can hear that struggle. I mean, I don't want a civil war. But I'm not easily doing the thing that I'm supposed to do to satisfy the requirements of being a good unifier of the country, which is to do this pretense of this both sidesism. Yeah, there's extreme rhetoric on the right. And yeah, you're going to always find people that take positions that, but the issue is that this is a pervasive problem on the left. It's a rhetorical problem, a cultural problem, a leadership problem that is inculcated, inculcated a climate where, yeah, we're personally shocked, but I don't even know how professionally shocked I am that something like this ultimately happened. No, I mean, as shocking and as emotional is, it's not, it's not surprising. Surprise is not an emotion or feeling that I've had at all. It's, It's, you know, when it happened, you know, I sort of, I think like a lot of us, a certain profile popped into our minds.

And then as the pattern continued, we saw that the, you know, some of the facts slightly off, you know, but it generally fits a certain pattern that we've seen going on, Nashville, Minneapolis, now here in Utah, just outside Provo, Utah. and you know I think when and they asked me as well on CNN they said they said what do you feel about these calls for unity do you want a unity I said of course of course I do and you know that's what's the conservative response been I said the conservative response has been prayer vigils we've got I'm sitting here in turning point headquarters we've got a massive a 24-7 prayer vigil that's going on completely spontaneous completely which you know self-organizing which which Charlie would be thrilled about by the way to see that the people are just getting up and doing things on their own that's that's literally what charlie spent his entire life trying to inspire and and he did it he

you know we're we are in the turning point now and though what i would say though is though there's a certain percentage that doesn't want to unite and there's a certain percentage that has no interest in unity because they've lost touch with humanity they've lost touch with what it means to be human with what it means to live in reality they've disassociated with that reality and you can you could come up with all the psychological reasons but you know what we do need here is a a similar response and i've been saying this a long time uh with with the minneapolis shooter and i think it's the same here you know we used to have a problem will and i actually just heard you know in the promo during the break um serial killers serial killers were a huge problem in america and this was a a

phenomenon that seemed to pop up out of nowhere. And what do we do as a country? We set up our best minds and there's TV shows about this and documentaries, criminal minds, you know, behavioral science units. And what do they do? They work with law enforcement and they figure out what makes these people tick and they work to prevent these things from going on to have early intervention with people who might be sliding down that path, disassociative, which by the way, very much includes disassociation with identity because that is considered a break with reality psychologically and when so and when you have disassociative personality disorder that can lead you towards all of these very very dark places and so look what needs to be done it absolutely needs to be law enforcement

because regardless of where you are left right middle you know moderate et cetera independent libertarian we should all be able to agree that these types of violent acts have no place in our society and this murderous left-wing cancer that is celebrating them and i i was just i didn't realize but i was going to have a debate with a you know a leftist this morning who was just he was mocking erika he was mocking the children um not even going to say his name but he was he was laughing the entire time and he said well it's all trump's fault it's all trump's fault uh will they've lost touch with what it means to be human and you know there's something where absolutely the naming the shaming the humiliating i think that's part of it but if people cross that line

and start calling for violence that's where law enforcement's got to come in did you have that debate jack yes yeah we just we just taped it wow and that was the reaction and by the way because you said this my curiosity you're there right now you're at turning point point headquarters orders. Tell me how it feels and what the sentiment is behind the scenes at turning point. You know, it's, it's weird. I talk a lot for, for, you know, a living, I guess, and I can't even find the right word for this, but everything looks the same, but it all feels wrong. It, haunted, for lack of a better word, it just feels haunted. I mean, I don't mean haunted by Charlie, but just haunted by something. something is off a darkness you know i can look at the same chair that i sit in when when i do the show or the same camera the same you know equipment whatever but it's not the same because

something's wrong and right and i know what that something is that something is that my my friend's not going to burst through the door full of energy and and life and saying jack is is the life stream up are we up or we go and what are people in the comments saying let's go what's the list of topics for today and you keep waiting for that but there's that other sense that you know it's never going to happen again a moment ago you were talking about the way we dealt with serial killers and i mean i love that show mind hunter and i've been the one you were thinking of like like mind hunter criminal minds was i think yeah exactly and and they of course they they They canceled Mide Hunter because it was too good.

It was so good. Right. I keep waiting for a new season to come out. I didn't know. It'll be never, Will. But, you know, you bring that up, and it's interesting that you take that tact, and you're obviously right. I also wonder, you know, kind of knowing you, Jack, like, okay, what I feel like to at least some extent you're addressing there is that ultimately we're going to have to address the specifics of the trans issue. We're going to have to address the specifics of taking a percentage of the population of people,

you know, injecting a social contagion on top of a mental illness, injecting drugs and hormones into it, then victimizing them, telling them the world's out to get them, and then ultimately suggesting that it's an existential threat and that they are going to be erased. That's how you create an army of people ready to do violence. It's a logical stream of events. It's where it goes. However, and I think you would agree, Jack, that's only part of it. problem. Like, the other part of the problem is that the left has really taken that entire

soup as well and used it at large. Maybe not the hormones, right? But the existential threat, the victimization on every single issue creating a population of people that feel like opposing you and opposing me, set aside opposing Donald Trump. And most importantly, opposing their neighbors. That's what I feel like has been revealed in the celebration of Charlie's death. Opposing their neighbors is existential and therefore ultimately violent. Look, how many people out there who have lost, you know, friends, close friends, colleagues, family members because of politics, you know, they don't even send you a text on your birthday or Christmas. They don't show up. Thanksgiving. They don't sit around the table anymore.

And that's where it starts, right? It starts with this idea that, well, we can't associate with those people anymore. We have to shun them. And then shunning eventually turns to censoring because those people, well, they must be getting brainwashed somewhere. So the censorship comes from there. And then that gets ratchet up to arrests. And what did we see? We saw the arrest of a presidential candidate.

We saw the arrests of patriots, the arrests of patriots, the arrests of people. like Bannon Navarro last year, Catholics getting investigated. It just goes on down the line. And then suddenly you lose political power and it comes, well, what else can we do? Well, the most radical, which are used by the left, the most radical and the most mentally unstable, then you put a gun in their hands and you say there's Charlie Kirk and he's the one who's causing all these problems. And you don't need a planning meeting, Will. you don't need someone to sit down and walk them through it. They've already prearranged all that.

And all you need is just to wait for Charlie Kirk to announce his tour dates and you go find a roof. And so they've they've systematically done this. And that's where the cancer, I think, begins with going all the way back to the beginning and saying that it's not that we have a disagreement of opinion. It's that you are something less than if you're a conservative, if you're a Trump supporter, or, you know, any of the, the list of things that we're talking about that's also why by the way you talked about the victimization culture that's also why you see this rush from even very mainstream media publications to try to make it out as if charlie is not a victim um that that charlie was not victimized that somehow he was asking for it that somehow he himself was to blame because if charlie

is a victim then that means there must be a perpetrator and that means there must be a killer and suddenly if Charlie is a victim, that would repudiate the entire infrastructure and the moral superstructure of everything the left has been doing for the last 15 years. Right. Right. Wow. And in that way, his death, and people have said this, Charlie's death will make him more powerful than even he was at this point in his life. And I say at this point, because who knows where Charlie was going to go and what Charlie's going to do? But now, and Erica said this, his death is going to, I mean, do you know how many people have I've gotten texts from. I spent, I'm not talking about people in politics. I'm talking about, like,

again, normies, right? I spent the whole week in scrolling Charlie videos. Like, people, if you didn't know who he was, you do now. And this attempt to, quote unquote, play his greatest hits of, you know, taking him out of context or attaching some ad hominem slur to him, whatever it may be, I don't think it's going to work, because I think people are actually consuming a lot of Charlie. Yeah, they are. Look, God is clearly working. He's clearly using Charlie as an instrument. There's no question about that in my mind. And you're right, it's the effect not on, you know, those people who engage in the sort of political class. Everybody in that world, both sides knew and know who Charlie was. But it's on the vast, you know, kind of middle of the road, normy population out there all around the world, really. that wasn't really engaging with political content suddenly here they see charlie for the first time but you have to juxtapose it too because remember well they're seeing those videos right after they saw the last video so they saw the last video which is horrific and disgusting and

violent and it makes everyone sick and they say okay that horrible thing happens this is maybe the first case of mass PTSD that we've ever seen in the whole world you know this this this this gets killed and in the most gruesome way possible and then they turn back and they say why they say why because they want to answer the question why did this happen what what was this guy preaching and then you go and look at all of the videos and it just doesn't match up with what the media is telling you because here they see a guy he's yeah he's you know he stands bold he's conservative obviously but it's very middle of the road uh normal conservatism and and faith and he's talking about faith he's talking about marriage he's talking about kids he's talking about uh he's talking about

lowering taxes and getting government out of your way and, you know, setting up a society where everyone can be successful. And, and regardless of, you know, what anyone wants to say about the beliefs, he's just talking. He's just, he's just talking. He's sitting there with the microphone talking and he's offering people the chance to talk with him, even if they disagree. On that note, Jack, I am not interested in the conversation of who replaces Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk is irreplaceable. You do what you do. I do what I do. We reach the people we reach. Charlie really reached.

I spent the weekend, Jack, I went to the Texas Longhorns game. I actually even went to a frat house, not because I'm an old man wanting to hang out with 18-year-olds, because I actually had a son who was there and so forth. And you just kind of look across it, you know, and you're like, man, these are the ones that Charlie reached. It's incredible, right? Like, it's truly incredible. It's very generational.

I don't know how. Oh, it's so generational, man. And I don't know. I don't know how that continues. How do you continue reaching that generation? Which, if anything, right now, not just once, but needs more of that message. Well, you know, that's what Erica had to say the other night. And I was there, you know, in the very next room.

You know, I was choosing the studio. I was in the booth. And, you know, when she said that, she said the best way to honor Charlie is to continue his mission. And the best way to do that is just do what he always said, you know, turning point was always meant to be an institution that survived and lived, you know, sort of beyond Charlie and, you know, he would have gone off to do whatever he was going to do. And well, now he's on, he's on God's mission now, I guess, God's assignment, God's task. But, you know, the goal I think is, and, you know, Laura asked me this the other day.

She said, she said, well, who's the next Charlie Kirk? And I think, I think if somebody asked Charlie that, he would say, you are, right? Anyone can be. You don't, don't be the next Charlie Kirk. just be the next you and find a table and set it up in your park or on your campus or find a chair and a megaphone whatever it is and just go and do this and get active and be that light against this sea of darkness that we're currently seeing and you can do it too and oh by the way if you want some if you want to join with others then then turning point's going to be there and i mean erika and i've i've seen

her, you know, a number of times since this has happened. She's, I mean, I can't imagine, you know, I'm not going to say she's good, but she's strong. She's so strong. And it's, it's been incredible to watch her be risen up by God in this moment, too. And I really think that, you know, people are saying that video with Erica was Erica in an empty chair. And I said, I don't think so because I think Charlie was right there with her. That is poetic. That is incredible. As is the image of a sea of thousands of tables set up across college and high school campuses. You. What Charlie wanted. Being Charlie Kirk. I'm not going to make a promise, Jack, but in that spirit maybe of crossing lines or going into a place where I feel uncomfortable, maybe one day I'll take you up on that invitation to an Eagles game. I can't imagine it. But I can't think of a less safe place for me than an Eagles game.

Look, I mean, you want to hang out with, Will, you want to hang out with winners, so you might as well. The guys in the studio like that one, Jack. Okay. As we love your content, man, I love it everywhere that you are. Human events, Bulletproof the book with Steve, everywhere you are. Thanks so much for hanging out with us today, Jack. I hope we do it again soon. I'd love to.

Well, thank you very much. All right. Hang in there, buddy. all right there we go I think this will be a week of a lot of reflection but I really mean this today I mean this I know how it feels to have something laid at your feet I know that blame makes one step back

or get defensive in posture but as we have a week of self-reflection I do have friends on the left I think you have to have some deep look into the mirror right now the right's not perfect It's not. But you know what we will do for sure?

We'll have our debate. What will you do, Left? That's going to do for us today on Will Cain Country. We'll be back again here tomorrow. Same time, same place, streaming live. Will Cain Country YouTube channel, Spotify, and Apple. I'll see you next time. Listen to ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcast.

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