Will Cain Country - Congressman Ronny Jackson & Joey Jones: Is It Right To Deport Mahmoud Khalil? Will The Government Shut Down?

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

Story #1: Are we on the verge of a government shutdown because of Senate Democrats? Congressman Ronny Jackson (R-TX) joins the show to discuss that and all things Texas. Story #2: What on earth did Author of ‘Unbroken Bonds Of Battle’ & FOX News contributor Joey Jones have to say on the phone to Colin Kaepernick? Why is CNN so unself-aware? And what did The View's Sunny Hostin and 'Lil Yachty' have to say about Black Lives Matter. Story #3: Yesterday, Will hosted a debate on the 4PM TV version of The Will Cain Show on whether or not Mahmoud Khalil could be deported or if that would be a First Amendment violation. Will's also shares a story about Judge Jeanine Pirro stopping by during the commercial break to give her thoughts on the matter. Will & The Crew break it down. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, are we on the verge of a government shutdown now because of Senate Democrats? Why was Chuck Schumer once so open to cutting waste, fraud, and abuse in Social Security, and today says the devil is Elon Musk? A conversation with Congressman Ronnie Jackson. Two, free speech. Have we violated the First Amendment by deporting? someone who would call for the end of Western civilization, or are we protecting the United States of America? Second take. Three, Sunny Austin says BLM was the greatest civil rights era

since the 1960s. Little Yachty said it was a scam. It is the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Terrestrial radio, three dozen stations across this great United States of America, adding stations almost daily, but always on demand if you're listening on radio by subscribing at Apple or on Spotify. We'd love you to do so. We'd love you to give us a five-star review, if you think it's so deserved. We'd love you to leave a comment whether or not that's on Spotify, Apple, or if you're listening live on Facebook or YouTube, once you jump into the comments, once you become part of the show, not just an audience member passively watching, but an

active participant in the Wilcane show. We love to think of you as a member of the Wallitia. We've got a big show for you today. Joey Jones, my friend, is going to join us a little bit later. We're going to break down whether or not BLM was one of the greatest civil rights movement in American history or a full-on scam. That's what rapper Little Yachty says. We also got to talk about condescension and ignorance. I don't know that they are absolutely tied at the hip, but there seems to be a strong correlation, at least when it comes to personalities and maybe in your personal life and maybe even among the Brooklyn brunch crew that ignorance and condescension go hand in hand. Let's break that down with Joey Jones. But let's get started with story number one. Congressman Ronnie Jackson originally from as it turns out

Levelland, Texas. You're from, we're born, were you raised? Tell me, give me a little color, Congressman, please, on your West Texas roots. Yeah, no, absolutely. Well, most people don't where Love Land's at, but I feel like you do. But it's 30 miles west of Lubbock. I was born and raised there, I lived there until I moved away when I was, I don't know, 21 or something. I went to school at Texas A&M for a couple of years and then went into the military. So, yeah, it's, that's my home. Yeah, sorry. I didn't know you had to spend four years in College Station. My apologies to you and your family. I do know Love the Land, Congressman. I married into a family, a long line of cotton farmers. And so that's all we have there is cotton and wool. Let me

tell you something um you know i don't think this is you know level land i know level lands there's nothing about this that should sound fancy but i did uh inherit not through my family but through my in-laws a cotton farm outside of level land just north of level land oh you kidding me you still have it yeah i still have it man i'm a cotton farmer well you got to come out there which i have visited once congressman okay so i went and we're like we got to see the farm so we went out there and i need to I'm going to pull up my map, because it's actually a little dot on the map north of level land if we were trying to zero in on the city that is closest. But we met with the farmer. I think it was at, you know, probably a Waterburger or Dairy Queen in Level Land.

And we went out to the farm. And out there, there's no fence line. It's like the old west. It's the southern plains. And there's no point. Why would you build a fence? There's no point. So you can't tell where your farm ends and the next guys begins.

You might be able to tell by some differentiation in the crop or a small crop line separation, but you could stand. You can stand in one spot and you can see, I don't know how many miles into the distance, because it's so flat and so unbroken by trees or topography. Yeah, you can see forever. It used to be waste-high grass with nothing but buffaloes and some Comanche Indians, and that was all those out there. I haven't done this, Congressman, and you and I are going to get to the news of the day,

but I'm going to follow my own selfish curiosity. You know, I've read, I don't know if you've ever read Empire of Summer Moon by... It's a great book. I've read it. It's awesome. It's incredible. It's about the Comanche Nation. And they talk about two things that fascinate me, one of a jumping off point of what you just said. It was an ocean of grass. Like, basically where I'm from, Sherman, which is at the Cross Timbers region of Texas, which is where East Texas meets the plains. It's this transitional period between hardwoods

into what ends up being the rolling and then flat southern plains of Texas. That was the fort line. That was like the eastern edge of the Comanche Empire. And that's where— Called Comancherea, yeah. Of Comancherea. And that's where a lot of people died. That's where Cynthia Ann Parker was kidnapped, you know.

And when you stood on that timber line or you stood at that Cross Timbers region and looked west, Gwen described it as an ocean of grass. Like all it was was this vast ocean of grass that, was inhabited by hostile Comanchee Indians. And in a way, it's kind of wild to think when the settlers pushed west, they almost arrived at the shore. Like, that's the shore of America on dry land. And as you looked out at that waste high grass, you know, and this is like oversimplifying it, but like sharks in the ocean out there amidst the grass was the Comanchees. And that was survival and battle. It was dangerous. They were the, you know as well as I do. We'll read the book.

They're the ISIS of the Indians at the time. I mean, they killed anyone who ventured into Camancheria. It didn't matter who you were, you know, whether you were white or Spanish or Mexican or other Indians. They just, they slaughtered everybody that came into that region. So it was a difficult, it was one of the last areas in the entire country to be settled. And what I like about you describing it, and you're not alone, like Gwen does make a comparison between the clash of civilizations at that point, between the settlers and the Comanches in that, you know, he describes as a time warp. Like he doesn't make an argument that they were morally inferior. or any genetic or cultural way,

but rather if you had gone back in time and visited our ancestors, you would have seen the same level of brutality, you would have seen the same level of violence. What it was was that civilization had progressed probably a thousand years beyond that moment, and they were still in that moment of evolution. And he does compare it to, like,

that clash of civilizations is not unlike the clash you see between Western civilization and ISIS. Yeah, and I've got to tell you, well, I grew up in Level Land, but I currently live in Amarillo, and I live on the edge of Paladur Canyon on the canyon rim, just literally on top of the spot where the last stand of the Quahadis, which were part of the Comanche Indians, and Quana Parker made their last stand. That's where I live right now.

Okay, Congressman, we're supposed to be talking about a CR, but I love this more than talking about a CR. I told you I had two things I wanted to jump off of. One was that ocean of grass. The second was Paladuro. So I have never been to Paladero Canyon, and I want to go. and you're up in Amarillo now. So for those listening who aren't from Texas, don't understand this history,

this is like taking all that flat land. And tell me if I'm wrong, because I haven't been. It's not the Grand Canyon, but it's the second biggest, I think, to the Grand Canyon in the United States. Yeah, it is. And then it just deep cuts from that flatland deep into this canyon land.

And that was where the Comanche's made their last stand. That's where they, ultimately, that's where they always went to get away from the Rangers, get away from the Army. And I don't know, it's so odd that that that, geographic thing exists out there amidst the flatlands. I want to see it. It's awesome. You come see me and I'll take you and I'll show you all around. I'll show you great stuff out there. It's fun. I'd love to. Okay, let's talk about the CR with Congressman Ronny Jackson. So it looks like

Senate Democrats are going to not allow this House passed continuing resolution to get through the Senate. You need 60 votes. Now, what's odd about this is, I know you voted for it everybody, but Thomas Massey did. Some people voted for it reluctantly, Congressman, because it does continue government spending. And so it's a continuation of basically where we've been. It's not accomplishing anything significant when it comes to cuts like we've been looking at and advocating for with Doge. And yet, Democrats have a problem with this.

They have a problem maintaining current spending levels in the Senate. So they're just going to say, what do they want? What stand are they making? We must increase government spending? Yeah, I know. It doesn't make any sense. You know, I voted for it reluctantly as well. I'm not in favor of CRs.

I don't like CRs. I think that, you know, that's not the way the government was designed to work. But in this particular case, it does freeze the spending. I even proposed at one point that we not call them a CR, and I call it a CR this time, call it the Doge pause, you know, so that we can just freeze where we're at right now and let Doge continue to keep doing the work that they're doing while we get the appropriations bills put together and incorporate in statute some of the stuff that Doge is doing because we as members of Congress have to put everything that's happening in the executive branch right now and everything that Doge is doing,

we have to legislate and put that into statute or else it's not going to matter because, you know, next time the Democrats get the White House are just going to overturn everything. So we have to make it permanent. So that's what we're working on right now. The Democrats are in a bad spot. I mean, you know, I was reading today that if they shut the government down, then they open it up to let OMB go in and decide who's critical employee and who's not. And then that gives those even more authority or more ability to get rid of more government employees. And, you know, to be honest with you, they're just clueless right now, the Democrats are. They don't have a leader. They have no situational awareness about what's happening right now. They think that the American people are upset that Elon Musk and Doge is going in and cutting thousands and thousands of government jobs and getting rid of some of its bureaucracy, while simultaneously the American people are applauding this. You know, go to my district. People are excited about what's happening in D.C. right now and Elon Musk and President Trump

and what they're doing for our country. I think the Democrats, they have to wake up. Congressman, in your district, as we just pointed out, you have a lot of farmers. I do. You know, cotton farmers are a little south of Amarillo, but you have a lot of farmers, you've got ranchers. Are they concerned?

Because we hear this line a lot about, you know, cutbacks in – because, look, if you and I are being real, we know this. The federal government does support the farming industry a lot with subsidies. Even crop insurance, which is backed by the federal government in many of these cases. Are they – are they – look, set aside Republican Democrat. You have to at some point even set aside conservative and liberal. Every person in this society at some point is dependent on. upon the government. And I'm not even passing moral judgment. Like, we are, we are not. And we are.

We have Social Security. We have Medicare. We have a lot of programs that when it comes down to voting, people are like, but I need it. I may not like that the government does this, but I need my farm subsidy. How are your farmers reacting to these cuts? Well, they're worried about it too. They need a farm bill. We were supposed to do a farm bill the year before last, not even this last year. We didn't do it. It's been two years since we were supposed to pass a farm bill, which is a five-year authorization. We haven't done that yet. So I'm hoping that if we get the CR done, that it gives us some time to get the farm bill done and get it properly done so we can take care of our farmers. And I think our farmers trust that we're going to do that. They're a little

bit concerned about some of the tariffs right now, to be honest with you, because there's a lot of trade. I mean, they sell a lot of cotton overseas. You know, a lot of cattle. I have more fed cattle than anywhere in the country in my district. So they're a little worried about that. But last time this happened, they stood with the president, and they sucked it up, and they took some of the pain, and the president made it up to him. And he's committed to doing that again. President Trump loves farmers and ranchers and there may be some short-term pain and suffering and I think my farmers and my ranchers and my district understand that but they know this is a fight for the survival of this country and a fight for future generations and they know that we have to make some changes

we cannot continue to do the things that we've been doing for the last four years and they get it I want to talk about that fight for the future of the country first of all a guy who has become a friend he's he's an executive here at Fox he said something to me at the Super Bowl he said will talking about my new show and you know we're trying to do this something different on the show and luckily it's working and we have even bigger visions of how it's going to be different than regular cable news. He said to me, often when we talk, we start on third base and the viewer needs to know how you get from how you got to third base. What's the first and second base of this issue? And I want to do that for a second, just a second together. You brought

up a CR and you said, we shouldn't be doing CRs, right? I don't want to take for granted that the average listener and viewer today understands what a continuing resolution is versus the normal budgeting process. and you said, hey, we shouldn't be doing these CRs. I think a lot of people feel that way. Like, we should be spending annual spending budgets, passing annual spending. Explain to me the difference between a CR and putting a budget together and a spending bill. Well, the way it's supposed to work is the, you know, the House puts together a budget,

the president puts together a budget. Everybody comes up with the budget. They decide what the top line number is, how much money is going to be spent in every area. And then we do appropriations bills. And there's 12 of them, right? There's defense and, you know, there's homeland and, you know, and transportation. We have all these 12 appropriations bills, and the committees are supposed to get together and talk about what kind of spending is going to be in those appropriations bills.

They put those together. They pass them at a committee. They send them to the floor of the House. Then we vote on all 12 of the appropriations bills. And then that is actually how the money in the government is supposed to be spent. It's a process that is supposed to take place by September 30 of every year. But what happens every year, every year since I've been here, we can't do that. We've not done that since I've been here.

Do you know how long has been since we've done that? I don't know. It's been a long time. but I've been here five years. It hasn't happened yet. And when you see a CR come up, it's just an indication that the government is not doing what they're supposed to be doing. They're not getting the job done because the continuing resolution is just like you said, kicking the can down the road, sticking with last year spending. I hate them because it really waste a lot of money on the military front as well because all of the new programs that we have,

some of the legacy programs that we're supposed to cut. None of that stuff happens under a CR normally. And so you're basically wasting money on old programs and not spending the money. on the new innovative programs that are going to keep us, you know, in the fight with China. And that stuff doesn't happen. So it's really bad, and that's just one example, is defense. But what happens instead is we do the CR, and then you've heard this term too. This is even an uglier term, the omnibus. So at the end of the year, they take all of those appropriations that we didn't go through proper,

you know, order to get to. They cram them into one big bill called the omnibus that has all kinds of other garbage and wasteful spending in it. and they passed that the day before Christmas so that everybody can go home for the Christmas break. And that's how the government's been funded since I've been here. It's a horrible program. It's a horrible process. We're working hard in the Republican Party right now to fix that. Now that we have the House, the Senate and the White House, we're going to fix that. It would be a lot easier, quite honest, if we had 60 seats in the Senate. That's a big problem

for us right now because nothing passes in the Senate without 60 votes and we have 53 Republicans there. But we're doing a pretty good job in the House. I've been surprised this time that we're keeping the Republican Party in the House together. It's a fight. I mean, President Trump has to get on the phone and twist arms every time a big vote comes up. But so far, he's been successful in making that happen, and we're sticking together. We're passing stuff out of the House. We need the Senate to help us out now. We need some of these centrist Democrats in the Senate who are going to be up for re-election next time to realize that the American people are done with this garbage. They want the government to function, and they need to get on board. They need to pass this CR. We need to get these

appropriations, bills passed. And then the Republicans, we need to get, the reconciliation bill passed that will only need 50 votes in the Senate, but we have some special stuff we need to do in there. But we can do that without 60 votes in the Senate, and we better do that when the time comes. Well, back to that idea of the future of the country is on the line. I'll share this. I woke up this morning. I saw this on Investopedia, and it was breaking down how we got to $36 trillion in debt. And it went through the various, not just presidencies, but major events, because it's sort of like how it spikes, you know, Great Depression. Medicare. COVID. Financial COVID, but the financial crisis of 2008, all this. And then you can see

where it leaps and how it goes. And honestly, if we're being real, like a lot of it happened under Ronald Reagan, you know, it took a huge jump under Ronald Reagan. But you also have to do this. It's not just the total figure. It's debt to GDP. And we, because if you're, because like you and I or anybody at home, if you make more, you can borrow more. You can afford to borrow more. So that's why you bring GDP in. GDP is what we make, you know, so we can borrow, according to it. But see, put this up two days. This is the debt to GDP chart. And it goes back over time. And two days, it's a little far away from me to read. So you see the big spike there. First of all, what year does that chart start? For those listening at home, this is a line graph

going from what year to what year. Starts to 1970 to 2020. Okay, 17 to 2020. And debt to GDP for most of that, the first two-thirds of that timeline is under, what is that, 60%. Under 40%. Under 40%. Under 40%. Okay. So then it spikes. What year does it start to spike? Starts to spike over 60% up top 2015. All right. Most people point to 09 is really the beginning of the big spike. But you peak at some point, I think it's 2020 congressman, at 120% of GDP, right? Yeah.

And I think that the whatever, you know, the World Bank or whoever looks at this stuff, the World Monetary, International Monetary Fund says if you're over 70, 77%, you're in a dangerous spot. And we are. And we spike. This is like really a dangerous spot in terms of now debt to GDP. Yeah, no, we have more going out than we have coming in right now. It's obviously unsustainable. And I don't even know it's going to be painful to try to get us back to a reasonable level, but we're going to try our best to do it. You know, this last year, Will, it was astonishing to me. But the interest that we pay on that debt this year exceeded our defense spending. So we spend more money on the interest.

interest every year to pay off our debt than we do on defense spending now. I think that, Congress, that's a trillion dollars in interest payments. That's right. And we're about, what, 900 and something on defense? That's right, yeah. So, you know, there's no way to, I mean, can you imagine what we could do with all that money? We could take that money, and we could double our defense spending or spend it elsewhere, you know, if we didn't have this massive debt.

Or taxless. Yeah, or taxless, right? We could cut taxes. We could spend more in defense. We wouldn't be worried about China right now, you know? China would, there would be no way China would even be thinking about ever contesting us. So I, the debt is, is really destroying our country. It's making us weak.

Can I push you on one thing? Because you brought in defense several times. And of course, you know, we have a mutual friend, the Secretary of Defense. Yeah. But how much is enough on defense? And I say that in genuine curiosity, not as a debate point. Because I did see a chart the other day. I'm going to say it's 980.

You probably know exact. but $980 billion annually on defense budget. The next closest, like you bring up China. Isn't China's defense budget like 250? It is. It's a fraction of ours. But, you know, they don't have to, the procurement and the process that we go through to buy our defense industrial base and the military and the way that we buy these new

weapons and ships and stuff is totally broken. And so we're working on that right now too because 980 should be way more than we need, right? It should be more than enough. So we have to clean up the process. You know, China's hard to compete with because of their labor cost and because their government and their private sector are essentially the same. And, you know, and they don't, you know, they can do anything they want. And, you know, cost is not, you know, they don't have to worry about some of the stuff that we have to worry about when we're trying to contract with these big defense, you know, companies. But look, we got to fix that.

We have more than enough money that's going to defense. I think Pete's going to do a great job of going in there. There's a lot of bureaucracy in the Department of Defense that's wasteful, too. I think he's going to go in there. He's going to clean up all of this wasteful bureaucracy. We're going to redistribute some of the money that's available to us and put everything into making sure that we are a lethal fighting force. That's what he said over and over.

And some of these legacy programs that are out there, we're spending money on, they need to go away. One of the things I've been astonished with since I've been on the House Armed Services Committee is some of these big defense contractors like Boeing and whatnot. They have some equity or some type of establishment, established, presence in every single district in all 435 districts that are represented by Congress pretty much. And so they can turn the screws on everybody. And so a lot of times we spend money on these legacy programs that we should have cut our losses on those and spent that money somewhere a long time ago. So I think that, you know, the chairman of the House Armed Services

Committee right now, Mike Rogers, is very interested in making sure we clean up that process. That's the focus of this year's National Defense Authorization Act is to clean up that process and start making sure that we are ready to fight the next fight with China. And we can't do that until we stop wasting money. Okay. So last thing, I know you've got to go here in just a moment or two. Yesterday, Congressman, on the 4 o'clock television version of the Will Cane show, I made this moment, this economic moment in history comparison to 1980 to 1982 and Ronald Reagan. And the way that he was received at that time, the concern among pundits, economists, and world leaders about what was happening on the American economy. He made radical changes to tax

policy and regulation. We got some of that going on as well right now. But everything you're talking about is radical. I mean, so radical that I maintain, I think, a healthy level of skepticism. You're actually going to be able to do it. Like, are you going to be able to reform procurement in the Defense Department? But when you do radical things, there's a transition period. We're probably seeing some of that right now in the economy. It's not easy. And there's a price to pay. And in 1982, Ronald Reagan paid that price. They lost 26 seats in the House. They lost one seat in the Senate. Public is going through a rough economic period in the short term to try to get to long-term sustainability, which is what we're talking about, right? So the question is

what does this do? And politics aren't the most important thing, but they're part of it because it measures how long you can continue. Can you only get, do you have a year and a half? Do you have two years? Or can you actually work for four years? And what have worked for four years? Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan worked together. You had Democrats working with Ronald Reagan to continue on in that process. It doesn't seem like that's anywhere on the table of possibility for you. At one point, Chuck Schumer sounded like this when it came to Social Security and Ways Fraud and Abuse. About a third of all of the spending that's done in Medicare, Medicaid, I would imagine a lot of it's in the private sector as well, doesn't go to really good health care, goes to other things.

and the real nub of this is how do we ring that waste out that fraud, abuse, duplication without interfering with the good care that we want every person on Medicare, Medicaid, and private insurance to get. He's talking about Medicare there, but he was concerned, and now he's not. Now he thinks Elon is doing the devil's work. Yeah, it's crazy. You know, we've talked about this. I'm on the Ag Committee as well, and we've talked about cleaning up the SNAP program because it's just billions and billions. of dollars and fraud, stuff that's being stolen. Some of us are not even staying in this country.

It's going overseas. Did you talk talking about that? The Democrats lose their mind like you're trying to cut the program or cut, you know, what's available to the recipients. We're not. We're just trying to clean it up. We're trying to get rid of the way so we can spend it elsewhere. The same thing with Medicare, Medicaid, all these programs. We could say billions and billions of dollars. It would be trillions before we're over cleaning up these programs, but they will not concede to anything, even getting rid of fraud, waste, and abuse. So, you know, they got to change things, but you're right. You're right to be skeptical. I don't know, like, you know, how this is going to happen. We better approach this every single day, me and my Republican colleagues, like we have a

year and a half left. I hope we have the full four years of the Trump administration, but we could lose the House in the midterms. When you're talking about the Reagan years, they had a much bigger margin back then. We have a one or two seat majority right now. So it's going to be really hard to keep the house potentially. So we should assume that we're going to lose the house in the midterms and we should make sure everything that needs to be done gets done in the next year and a half. There's no time to mess around. We've got to get it done now. And hopefully the one good thing we got going for is that Biden left such an absolute disaster that I think that even a year and a half down the road, there's still going to be a lot of good things that have happened.

Things are going to be so much better in people's day-to-day lives because of the disaster that was left behind in the Biden administration that hopefully we do keep the house and we got another couple of years to go at this. But we're stupid if we don't act like we have a year and a half left and get it all done. Really good. I will take you up on your invitation to come out there to West Texas and visit Pal Deer Canyon. Looking forward to it. We just got to get it on the schedule. Congressman Ryan Jackson, thank you so much. Thank you, Will. All right. There he goes. All right, let's take a quick break. We had a debate yesterday on the Will Cantrell. I thought it was a really incredible debate. It was Glenn Greenwald,

who I think is a principled free speech fighter against Brooke Goldstein, who argued that this Columbia protest organizer, Palestinian guy, does not as a green card holder have the First Amendment rights to maintain that green card. So is this a debate that we are violating our own foundations, free speech, in order to kick somebody out who said they want to end Western civilization? I'm going to share this with you. We're going to comment together. We're going to watch it, internalizing, comment together coming up on the Will Cain show. It is time to take the quiz. It's five questions in less than five minutes.

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We are. A militia. Just lean into all the bad things they want to say. All the little things that set their tingleys off. It's a fun play on words. And it's also a sideways path to introducing my next guest who was not in a militia, but the actual standing army. He was a Marine.

But you're never a former Marine. You're always a Marine. It's Joey Jones. What's up, Joey? That's right. Not much, man. I don't know. You're calling me a soldier. That's like me calling you a, I don't know, a Falcons fan or something. It would just be, or a Redskins fan, almost a rivalry there. That's just terrible stuff there. Soldier is only Army. The Army. Did I say Soldier? You know what that stands for. Did I say Soldier? No, you said Army. You said part of the Standing Army.

Oh, I said it's part of the standing army. Standing military. Yeah. Yeah, I know. It's semantics, but it means everything to jar heads. You know, Army means ain't ready to be. be Marines, I thought I would say that, so your comments would liven up a little bit. Does any of your, does any of your loyalty to the Marines flow at all? Like, give me a percentage basis, zero to 100, flow at all to the Navy. Okay. If, when Army plays one day a year, one day a year. Is that the day? And the only reason why, yeah, Army Navy, and that's the only reason why is a lot of those cadets or midshipmen. I mean, will go be in the Marine Corps.

So they go from the Naval Academy to be Marine Corps officers. So for that reason alone. And you have a lot of Marine instructors at the Naval Academy. So for one day a year, you are, you feel emotional towards Navy. I fight this fight all the time. Everybody thinks because on the Marine Corps seal where it says Department of the Navy, they think that means the Marine Corps is a Department of the Navy. And not to nerd out, but really what that's talking about is under the Secretary of the Navy,

Navy, you have two branches of service. Navy on one side, Marine on the other. So the Marine Corps is in the Department of the Navy. It's not a Department of the Navy. We're just using the word Navy two different ways. One as a branch of service and another as a department of DOD. Did your dad serve? No, he should have. It was a brick and block Mason, man. He very disciplined, worked hard. He set me up really well to be a Marine. The reason I asked about your dad's- Yeah, I found it on my own. That's what's going to say. Wanted to see the path to the Marines. Yeah. Was out of curiosity, Joy, was it a recruiting?

where did this no no yeah no I'll tell you exactly what happened my two best friends one of them his dad was a Marine and our school teacher and football coach and he's a real real tough SOB and the other one our third best friend his uncle was a Marine and his dad was career air force so those two guys knew they would go to the military their whole lives I came from moonshiners and roughnecks like my if my family was doing public service it was in an orange jumpsuit on Sunday because we had too much fun running moonshine on Saturday. Yeah. I mean, I'm telling you, I've seen my dad pick up beer cans, you know. And so for me, I didn't want to leave a small town, but my two best friends talked me into it. We were all going to go. And then it just worked out

that I went first. So they kind of got me on that one. And that's why it was Marines, though, because they were focused on Marines. We were all going to go to the Marine Corps. Chris went to college and went to the Marine Corps from college, Keith, the other guy, who was the most gung-ho, he fell the one test you can't fell before going to boot camp, which is peeing in a cup. So he had to wait a month, and then he ended up going to the Army. That's what they do is they pass them back and forth. Like if you embarrass the Marine recruiter, he's going to take you down the Army and vice versa. That's interesting. I was curious how you, without familial inertia, in other words, like following in your dad's footsteps, how you, you know.

you went Marine Corps instead of Army, or Navy, for that matter, or Air Force. Yeah, it was easy for me. Nobody walks into a room. This is On Scott's Truth, and I'm not talking crap. You have a soldier, sailor, airman, Marine. Each of the soldier sailor airmen, it's a 50-50 chance that I'm going to say, man, I was going to join the Marine Corps, but. You never hear a Marine say, I was going to join the Army, but.

It just doesn't work that way. And interpret that how you may. Okay. All right, Marine Joey Jones here with us on the Wilcane show. Okay, I want you to listen to this, Joey. This is Sonny Hosten talking about not just BLM, but the fact that the BLM is not a monument. It was like a crosswalk that was painted. It was a mural.

A mural for in honor of BLM has been taken down by the mayor of Washington, D.C. Because she was going to be deprived federal funds. And this is Sunny Houston talking about BLM. I'm saddened by it because I do think that the Black Lives Matters. Movement has been co-opted and they're trying to erase it, obviously, but it's probably the second most important civil rights movement in American history, the first, of course, which resulted in the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and then the Voting Rights Act of 1965. So I'm devastated by it because it's just a continuation of the erasure of American history.

Of course, I take it a little personally because one of my closest friends is Alicia Garza, who wrote the letter that started the Black Lives Matter movement, and she is one of our thought leaders. The erasure of American history is a little rich. I mean, that was like if you ranked BLM's top five priorities, like one of them of the top five, I don't know if it was number one, but it was, I'm going to say it was in the top three, was the erasure of American history,

taking down every statue you don't like and every American figure. who you ever not liked has to disappear from the history books. Yeah, I think you have to look at this a little bit with a magnifying glass, right? She's talking about the second most important civil rights movement in American history. I mean, I'm no woman, but I think suffrage is up there in the top two, right? Like, that's literally half the population getting the same rights as the other half. I feel like that's got to be top two, right? Because that overlaps race and, I mean, gender's half the country, right?

I mean, to me, suffrage has got to be top two. And then the civil rights movement has to be top two. So she's already wrong. And as a woman, I just don't know how she could forget that. But we'll move on. Shouldn't there be a protest by the trans movement at this point? Like, where do they rank? We need Sonny Hauston's top five in the current trans civil rights movement.

I mean, if you are depriving them of their identity, I don't know how high that ranks, but they'll... I would put the ADA up there, you know, American with Disabilities Act. It's the only way I get into a government. building, you know, is up the ramp, so maybe that's up there. I don't know. I guess we're all just selfish, you know, who am I to disparage Sonny Hosten's BLM movement as a civil? But like, don't you have to have some consequence? Like, don't you have to have produced something to be a civil rights movement? Otherwise, isn't it just a, it's kind of mute, right? Like, what are the top five accomplishments of BLM, regardless of their priorities? Their number one accomplishment was the

shame American corporations and giving a boatload of untraced money to people that enrich themselves. And maybe she's right. Maybe it was co-opted by those people. Like maybe that much of it's right. But that is the result. That is the largest result of it. I had four level seats to this.

I was on the phone with Colin Kaepernick and tried to understand where he was coming from. And then he went on TV a couple weeks later wearing pig socks and was it Castro or one of the one of the Central American dictators wearing a shirt saying that I've supported him calling cops pigs. I mean, it was pretty terrible. Well, you've told me that probably in the back of an SUV on the way to some party where neither of us fit in. Um, the, the, the, um, call with Colin Kaepernick. What, well, tell me about that. Like, how does that come together? So there's got named Nate Boyer, who was an army of gray. He's got a really cool story. Longhorn.

So, yeah, he's a Texas guy. So he got out of the Army, I think, at 29. I don't think he played football at Texas. Dilley was in his 30s. Yeah, real quick. That story is awesome. Nate was a Green Beret and afterwards played for the University of Texas Longhorns, special teamer, guy that ran out the American flag before every game under Mac Brown.

And Nate's a great dude. Yeah, he was a long snapper. Played DB a little bit, you know, a little white guy. You're not going to get a whole lot playing time at DB. and he ended up getting invited up to Seattle. He did all a preseason with him. They gave him a spot on the team, and then they had a wide receiver get hurt,

and he had to bring in another one. But all that being said, Nate developed a little bit of fame and notoriety for being this guy that was a rookie in the NFL at 34, something like that. And so anyway, when Colin Kaepernick first set on the bench, Nate wrote him a letter, published it in the military time, saying, hey, I appreciate what you're doing. I appreciate the message you're sending.

I'm not in your shoes, so I don't know what you're talking about. I'm willing to listen if you're willing to stand. Colin invited him out to a game in San Francisco. I forgot who they were playing. And they went back and forth in the locker room before the game. And what they landed on was that Colin Kaepernick would kneel instead of sit. And Nate's mentality on that was kneeling, it shows some deliberate respect, right? You kneel when a player gets hurt.

You kneel at certain moments. So it shows some posture. It shows observance of the national anthem, but also a protest. test. And had Colin Kaepernick really messaged it correctly, I think that would have landed in a much different way. Nate stood beside him with his hand over his heart, and Colin knelt, and I don't remember if he put his hand over his heart or not, but he showed some respect. And so after that, I reached out to Nate and said, hey, man, I have this platform. I appreciate what's happening there. I've got this friend Benjamin Watson that I've talked to about this

that's in the NFL. He has a different perspective, but I've talked to him. I'd love to get on the phone and help, you know, like maybe get Colin back to standing. And Colin entertained a phone call with us. There was another player. I don't want to say his name because I'm afraid I'll get it wrong. There was another player from the 49ers on there. We had this great call. Eric Creed.

That's Eric Creed's who I believe it was. But I asked Nate the other day, he's like, was that Eric Reed? And he said, I can't remember it. And I just don't want to say it if it isn't fat. But that's who I think it was. And afterwards, we really thought we might do this like fireside chat and really talk about like, see, let America see Colin and Eric. respond to us, you know, why this is important and why having reverence for that flag and anthem

in spite of our country's difficulties or flaws is the, that is the game, right? That is what matters. And we had this great call. And then like a week later, Collins's on there saying all these inflammatory things and goes, and Nate Boyer, Joey Jones supports me in this. And it's like, no, bro, I do not. I do not support wearing pig socks and police uniforms. I do not support wearing Castro or I forgot it's the other guy, Che Guevara. those two on his shirt and he just went down this very negative path and i told nata said look all this dude's doing is drawing a line in the sand and daring people to step over it he's creating sides on an issue that that really should be more about a conversation and um and so i obviously was very

adamant and loud about my opposition to where he took it whether not colin kappernick had earnest beliefs in the beginning he quickly allowed that i think this is will kane talking but i think, to morph into, if not self-enrichment, self-aggrandizement. And so, you know, it became about Colin. It was a cult about Colin. And I think because of that, he becomes pretty emblematic to take this back full circle to BLM. I mean, BLM's accomplishments were to buy mansions. And it becomes inescapable at some point that it was just, I mean, Little Yachty, by the way, can I name a little Yachty song? Do I know one two a days? Highly doubt it.

What's Little Yachty's biggest hit? Let's see. Do you know one, Joey? I barely know the name Little Yachty. But I know the name. Same. I know he's a name. You can put Little in front of any word, and I think it was a rap.

The funny thing is, Joey, like, I definitely have heard of Little Yadi. But if you said, hey, Will, if James came and said, Will, do you listen to Little Joey? I'd be like, no, but I think I've heard of him. I think I've heard of him. Because it's right. You put Little in front of everything. You're like, oh, he's famous. He's a famous rapper.

His name's Lil Bob. Flex up? Flex up. Yeah, that's his biggest one. Or Gucci Flip Flops. Gucci Flip Flops. Yeah, that's a big one, apparently. Hey, don't ring a bell.

But Lil Yadi was on a cooking show with somebody else I've never heard of. But it must be a thing. And BLM came up. Watch. BLM? BLM is a scam. Clip that. Sit it to the fucking new.

BLM was. It was literally a scam. They had bought mansions, and you probably want to know anything about it because you don't care about black people. I do care about black people. No. The name of that show is cooking with starving celebs? Feeding starving celebrities. Feeding starving celebrities.

Okay, so the host is black. Lil Yadi's black. And he says, you don't care about black people. And then she goes, you cut the clip off for some of the gold. She goes, she pointed to her skin and goes, I obviously care about black people. I'm chocolate and he's like he then he said like oh he then he said it's a disguise

he said that her she said that's a dis Lil Yadi said that's a disguise and then she starts pointing out oh you you cut it off because you know what he said after that then she goes he goes if you care about black people

why is your entire staff white he looks around all the cameramen and everybody in the room and she goes they're not white you know something like I support minorities and then you could hear one of the producers or camera in the background goes I'm gay

and then he goes and Lilliani goes I can play the full audio he goes I have a gay Do you want to hear He's like What are we doing here

It was literally a scam They had bought mansions And you probably want to know anything about it Because you don't care about black people I don't follow black rules Look at my chocolate You're mad It's a disguise

I think I'm literally The most pro-black person in this room because you have an all-white style. They're not white. They're P-O-C. Thank you. Boy, don't laugh. I do have a gay, so I'll also.

A gay? What a little yachtie does not give an F. He's going to, he's going to say whatever he has to say. He's anti-woke, Joey. That's what's funny about this is, There's Black Lives Matter to the organization, and a lot of people want to make that distinction, Black Lives Matter of the movement. But the movement was started under false pretense. The movement was started with Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, when Michael Brown charged a cop to attack him

after a cop was responding to Michael Brown attacking someone else, and the cop used his lawful self-defense to stop Michael Brown from attacking him. And the whole hands up don't shoot. So the entire movement was under this pretense that cops are out there just killing black men left and right, which is both factually and statistically not true, but even on given examples. There are some that were, I believe it's Philando Castile. That's real sketchy. There's a young woman that was killed in her apartment just because the cop went to the wrong apartment. There are absolutely some cases to where people are killed, but to link the race into it. What happened here, I believe it was Officer Roth, was his last name, here in Atlanta at a drive-firm.

through to make it about race, you would need some factual evidence in almost every time that falls apart. There are instances where cops aren't well trained, they overreact, they get scared when they shouldn't, and it's a tough job, but you're not supposed, you know, you're not allowed to. You don't get to make mistakes. There are instances where cops go to jail for unlawfully using their weapon, but you need to be able to prove it's about race to even have this movement, and it's simply not true. And even you doing that, like I think I disagree with your characterization on Brianna Taylor, which is, but the thing about it is. But I don't disagree because I can't do it, Joey, right now. I can't, I believe they had a search warrant for the right house and her boyfriend

started shooting and that's what it was. But see, but the point is, you know what though, Joey, the point isn't there's more than one instance, I believe. And the point is that you and I, it's not, the facts matter. And I don't have all the facts at hand in this moment, but when it, given the time in talking about these, when I was talking about it, I knew those facts cold. I knew the facts cold on on Bubba Wallace. I knew the facts, which isn't obviously a cop shooting, but the facts matter when the public story is just simply race, all the facts are washed away. And you have to, in that moment, and it's a heated moment, you go, no, okay, hold on, let me look at the facts of Michael Brown, George Floyd, Brianna Taylor, Macquia Bryant, Philandro Castile. You have to

look at the facts of all of them. And by the way, I just don't have all of those accessible in my memory at any given moment to be able to do it. I have a lot, I have a lot, but it deserves fidelity that you know the facts cold. And then when all the facts fail, then maybe you can get down to race. But it can't be your knee-jerk, top-line headline in the New York Times. You just can't. That's not journalism. Journalism is supposed to be caring about the facts.

No, absolutely. And the thing is, you know, here's the deal. I don't roll around with a rebel flag on the back of my truck. I don't roll around, I don't present myself as someone who habitually breaks the law. Those are two things that, like, I'm thinking race, but I'm just thinking of like, basically what I'm thinking of is that quintessential, not redneck, because some people see that as a term of endearment, but like white trash figure that I can think of in my community, missing teeth because they've been on meth, doing nefarious things, not real smart.

And when a cop sees that, he's on high alert as soon as he sees that, because he's seen that 100 times, and 99 of those 100 times, that presentation comes with search warrants, domestic violence, drug use, unlawfully possessing a weapon, and a whole rap sheet of stuff. And so the thing is, like, you're asking these cops to walk into a situation that 99 times out of 100 is bad for them, but to give the benefit of the doubt. And that's what they're supposed to do. That is their job, and it's a tough job. but to make that all about race rather than all these context clues of someone wearing a certain color bandana

using certain language you know like if it's hateful or what have you even the music they're listening to in the lyrics of the song that are listening to in that moment you're asking every single cop in this country to ignore those things which is what they're supposed to do but as a human being can you and that is the real conversation we should have been having our police trained correctly is everyone that wears a badge someone that should be wearing a badge and then on top of that are we as citizens taking responsibility for ourselves to make every interaction with police officers safe and easy? I mean, if I get pulled over, my hands go out the window. If I have a loaded gun in the car, I declare it when they get there. Like, I'm not afraid of my life, but I'm afraid of him or her getting afraid of their life. Right. And everyone should have that responsibility. It's part of living in a free country where you can't arm yourself. More of the Will Kane Show right after this. I'm Janisteen. Join me every Sunday as I focus on

on stories of hope and people who are truly rays of sunshine in their community and across the world. Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com. This is Jason Chaffetz from the Jason in the House podcast. Join me every Monday to dive deeper into the latest political headlines and chat with remarkable guests. Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com or wherever you download podcasts. I may have told you, do you know the, do you know the origin, the origin, of the term redneck? I would

imagine it has to do with your neck turning red, but I don't know. That's what everybody thinks. No. Because you're a manual labor you work out in the sun, your neck turns red.

No, no, it goes back to the coal mines in Appalachia. And you think I'm wrong? Why are you shaking your head? No, no, no. You just have the weirdest knowledge. Like the most random knowledge you just search it out.

I love it. Well, this is because I read Demon Copperhead. And you said you read it. Did you read it? Halfway through. It's a little slow. Okay.

You quit on Demon Copperhead. I did. That's a real mark on your character. But I think I learned this starting in Demon Copperhead, but maybe I wrote Wikipedia Rabbit Hold from there and learning about, I got real interested in those ethnic minorities that no one ever hears about, like, the Melungeons. Donald Trump's heard of him because he's talked about the Lumby's. He's made them a federally recognized tribe.

But these are really interesting little niche ethnic groups in America. But in that rabbit hole, I found out. No, it's, the federal government was called in to put down a coal mine strike, Joey, somewhere in Appalachia. Because you had the coal towns, the coal towns, everything supported the mine, the town, the workers, everybody. And in some of those instances, the coal mining company owned everything in town, right? So if you struck. Yeah, you wouldn't get paid in dollars, you'd get paid credits that you'd have to use at the store to coal mine own. Exactly.

So if you went on strike, like, it was a big deal back in those days. So they called in the Army and the Army came in to quell this strike and the coal miners and the factory people and the townspeople who wanted to continue to resist basically started a guerrilla war. I mean, in the mountains against the Army, but they weren't regulars. They didn't have uniforms, so they wore red scarves. They wore red scarves to signify to each other who they were. And I think that's where the term redneck originates. I'm pretty sure. I'm going to put my confidence level at 85% on that.

You can fact check me two days. You've at least read that somewhere. So while you're doing that, see if you can push this button. I want to play for Joey Abby Phillips on CNN. He kind of also another litmus test for how to be in MAGA world. I mean, is this the new reality for this MAGA era of politicians that they don't back down when they're confronted with facts? It's clear as day. The FBI put out statistics.

Crime is going down. You don't have to twist the facts. The FBI quietly comes out with this new data that shows actually violent crime is up 4.5% during that time frame. Keep going to it. It is play part two. The only person making an accusation that people are not getting what they've asked for is Trump falsely claiming that the administration is withholding resources because of political affiliation. And that is just not true. Well, the Federal Emergency Management Agency is facing major backlash after confirming reports

that a supervisor ordered disaster relief workers to avoid homes with Trump yard signs. There's actually not any evidence linking any of Hunter Biden's wrongdoings to Joe Biden. You're incorrect. You think that Biden would actually pardon Hunter Biden, despite him saying pretty. Yes, as a father, he would. No. He's going to get pardoned by his dad. There's no question about that.

The president has ruled out pardoning his son. Breaking news. President Biden has just pardoned his son. All right, Joey, that montage shows you. And I don't expect everybody knows who she is. Abby Phillips is a host on CNN that you most likely have only ever seen, because just being real here, like 300,000 people watch CNN, which isn't very much. And they, it's that show what Scott Jennings is usually slapping somebody down on. That's where you would have seen her.

And she managed to do something, Joey, that I thought was worth commentary on. Combine ignorance and condescension into one beautifully wrapped Big Bill, one package. And it's a common human trait, to be honest, but she personifies it pretty good. Like, consistently wrong, never in doubt. And James, you put it really well. She sounds like, when she's talking to Scott Jennings, what'd you say? She sounds like that 10th grade English teacher that has a couple boys in her class who, she knows they're smart but still thinks that like they need some direction and she knows the world

better than them so she talks down very much talks down while being wrong joey yeah you know two things in life get me in a bad spot when somebody imposes their will on me driving and when somebody talks down to me like basically if you verbally or physically back me in a corner i'm coming out swinging so hats off to scott jennings i guess because you can't talk to me like that You know, my drill instructor could talk to me like that, and my dad could have if he chose to and he never did. And they're gone. Like, my dad's dead and my drill instructor is retired. I can't stand it.

You know, it's not even a pride thing. It's a communicate. It's a, how do you respond to that? Really, what you feel almost like helpless because you can't respond that. You can't get a point across to that. The implication, the unsaid thing that's in that tone of voice is how stupid you are. Man, I used to say this all the time. I only ever got superheated on first take when I got that tone.

when somebody gave me that tone. Stephen A doing Stephen A things and telling me that I'm wrong and being, you know, how he is, very performative. Over the top. It doesn't bother me. Dunn't bother me. In fact, you know, he could say any number of things to me about how stupid what I had to say was. Doesn't bother me. It is that one form of, you are so dumb, but I'm not going to say it.

It's in my voice. And by the way, Abby Phillips isn't the only one. Like, it's a, there's actually, most of the time that entire panel is that way on CNN. You know what I mean? It's actually sort of like, in your head, if you think of a tone and you associate that tone to a channel, that's the tone you associate to that channel. I'm willing to be self-aware. What is our tone? And I hope mine's different.

I do. I hope mine's different just because I want mine to be me. Just me. That's all I want to be. But, you know, you can associate tones to things that you hear. and they have, they, they are tonally condescending. By the way, what is MSNBC's tone? It's, uh, it's not condescension as much insanity.

Wine drunk? Wine drunk. Yeah. What do you, what do you think, Joey? Well, I think it's, it's something we've acknowledged about the left for a long time. And, you know, I'm all about, like in the Marine Corps, if I'm going to inspect your uniform, I'm going to wear that same uniform, and I better not have what's wrong with mine when I'm pointing it out with yours. So when you first started playing those clips, it's like my mind goes to,

how do we on the right stop ourselves from doing the same thing? It sounded pretty easy. Like Joe Biden said he wasn't going to pardon Hunter Biden. Of course I'm going to go on TV and say, there's no way. And then it happens. And so with someone like President Trump, who is very malleable. And I think that's the most graceful way to say it. He is a malleable guy.

He said this recently, we're talking about terrorists. He's got room to move. And so when he says something like, we're going to take all the troops out of Afghanistan, I know to interpret that to mean we're going to stop trying to win a war in Afghanistan. And if we leave some guys there or gals there because we need to, that's okay. In his mind, it's still taking all the troops out, all the combat troops out. This hyperbole that he speaks in, I know how to interpret it. But I don't expect someone that watches MSNBC or CNN, no matter how few of them there are, to interpret that.

So a lot of the attacks on Donald Trump are when people take him literally when he is not, he's playing in this gray area even with his words. And so one of the hardest things in your job and my job is to be able to acknowledge our own opinion and our own bias in it, but also try to shoot it straight and try to say, okay, that's what he says he's going to do, but this is not going to be easy to do it. And we might see some other version of that come to fruition. And so when I hear somebody sit there and speak so matter-of-factly and so arrogantly about a politician, in my mind, I'm thinking, what is wrong with you? There isn't a politician up there that I would carry the water for that hard and heavy. because they can change tomorrow, and they do, and they always have a justification for it. We used to use the term flip-flopper until they all were flip-floppers, and it doesn't matter

anymore. But then the graceful side of that is, sometimes as a politician, you learn more about this issue. Sometimes as a politician, the bet you made doesn't pay off. And I really want to give props to the ones that do change, or mind are honest about it. We just really hadn't had one since probably JFK. You kind of raised your finger when I was talking a moment ago about our tone at Fox. You can tell me what you think it is? Like, what is our tone?

I think the one thing, I think the best example is to watch the five. I get, every time I go on the five, I hear people grab up and complain about Jessica or Tarlov. But the truth is, whether it's Harold or Jessica, peers when he's on, or Geraldo when he was on, Harald was a little bit different. But those first three I named, there are moments where they win the argument. Maybe it's just on this one fact with Jesse or Greg, or maybe it's on something that they're bringing on top.

And you don't see everyone around the table. lose their mind, their hair's on fire, you're hateful, you're a terrible person. When you watch that show with Scott Jennings, and that's all you saw, and you believed everything everyone else was saying, you think Scott Jennings is the devil reincarnate. You think he is the worst person in the world. I mean, it's direct personal attack half the time on there. I think he's aging. I think this whole thing has taken a toll. I remember the Levitart show used to talk about Max Kellerman was turning gray.

When you're laughing about this, you already know what I'm talking about two days, that Max grayed over his two or three years on first tag because of just, the constant fire blast of Stephen A. takes in his face. So it was like washing him out. He was losing skin color and hair color. I think that might be happening to Scott. Like these clips I'm seeing over time. I'm sure.

I think it's like starting to wear. I'm not trying to insult Scott, but he looks a little tired, as one might be, of that constant fire hose of condescension. All right, two of days, you have an update. Was I 85% right on rednecks? The internet is trending towards you being correct. But if you Google just redneck, it says from the idea of the back of the neck being sunburned from outdoor work. So that's just Google.

But then where did redneck come from? Slate.com. All these other websites say the term redneck derived from members of labor unions in the coal industry who wore red bandanas to signify their loyalty. Boom. That sounds like 100%. But then they're saying on Reddit, the etymology of redneck is. as laborers, outdoorsman. It was used to spread fear of communist militants.

Some people are saying? That's Reddit. What are we doing? You're just grabbing every random thing you see? I'm trying to just... I don't like that the support you gave me was Slate. I wish you could have come up with something better than Slate. But I'm now increased my conference level of 95%.

No, you're right. You're right. Okay. Yeah. All right, Joey. So you can't be a redneck. Sorry. You didn't?

You didn't participate in the labor union uprising in the coal mines until that happened. Yeah, I'm good with country. I'm good with country. I'm even good with hillbilly. Those are the terms of endearment with derogatory nature that I'm good with. I'm not a hillbilly, never been. I'm not a redneck. Never been an outdoor labor, you know, even if we assign that meaning to it.

I've thought about that, Joey. Like, I think country is fair for me. You know, I grew up in a town of 30,000 people that was rural, not a not a, not a suburb. I think that qualifies as country. Small town at the very least. Small town guy. But not a cowboy. Don't pretend to be dressed like one. Not a cowboy. I played like a cowboy for a little bit. Yeah, it's kind of interesting to think like it's like you and I both know don't fake it. So pick the right one. What are you? You know what I mean? Like pick the right word here. What are you? Because I don't want to be around a bunch of

Cowboys, pretend like I'm a cowboy. That doesn't feel good. No. Yeah, Cowboys, it starts it when you start walking. I mean, to be a cowboy, it's a lifestyle. You can know how to ride a horse and rope, and, you know, I'll wear a pearl snap from time to time, but, no, that ain't me. I respect it, but I didn't do it. Country Hill, Billy, Marine, Joey Jones. Always good to have you on the Wheel Cane Show. There we go. Thanks, man. Thanks, brother. All right, there he goes. Okay, don't go anywhere. I mean, it's a long show today. I don't mind it. I think sometimes along the show goes, it means it's the better it is that day. And we're going to take a break. When you come back, I want you to hear this debate.

I think this debate is everything on First Amendment issues versus deporting people that hate Western civilization. Next on the Will Cain Show. Listen and follow now at Foxtruecrime.com. Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy host of the Tragaddy podcast. I hope you will join me every Tuesday and Thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves a little bit better on the other side. Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com.

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to bring everybody together. We got to find a way to tie on our red neck scarves and mount up, Wallycia. What's up? Yeah. I mean, yeah, totally. Thanks for your contribution to this. Absolutely. It is the Will Kane Show streaming live at foxnews.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Okay, yesterday, I wanted to share this with you because this did happen on Terrestrial Television on the Fox News Channel. I got interested in this debate about this guy who organized the protests at Columbia in support of, look, in support, in opposition to Israel, in support of Palestinians, and characterized by many in support of Hamas.

The only reason I say that that way as characterized by many is, like the whole thing with Joey talking about Black Lives Matter and all these different cases, I don't have the facts at my ready hand of what this guy said specifically were his calls, specifically for Hamas. I do know it did go well beyond speech. I do know that they harassed students. I do know they took over government college buildings. And I do know that he's posted about ending Western civilization. He has posted that is his goal to end Western civilization. He is a green card holder. He is a Palestinian. He's a doctoral student at Columbia. There is some reporting out there, by the way, that he had sponsored by the U.K.

They had a U.K. sponsorship for higher education to do something. There's some interesting details about who he is personally. But married to an American citizen, I believe, therefore a permanent resident. So the question is, what kind of rights does this guy have? Like, his green card has been revoked. He's been detained by ICE. And the Trump administration says they're going to deport him because he is not somebody we want in America. Others go, whoa, whoa, whoa, First Amendment.

One of those was Glenn Greenwald, who said, I thought we were for free speech, people on the right. There is Brooke Goldstein. She's saying, this is not a speech issue, and we had this debate yesterday. Enjoy. I find you, and for that matter, our relationship interesting, because in the past I might have agreed with you vociferously. Recently, more agreement. I'm not sure where I stand here today, Glenn, but I know you look at this and you think many on the right have all of a sudden abandoned their defense of free speech. Oh, there's no question that they have.

I mean, this is what happens when you're actually a principled free speech advocate instead of one who only objects to censorship when it's your political allies who are being targeted, which is that a lot of people say they believe in. I think that's a fair point. Jumping out of the gates, that's a fair point. And something I've always been skeptical of. Listen, everyone has to have some level of self-awareness and look themselves in the mirror. The truth is, at our base human instinct, we have a lot of, we have a lot of things. that drive us. We have fear. We have greed. We have power. This is why we need God. This is my personal opinion. This is the role of God to overcome some of these base level human instincts.

And part of that is it's very hard to believe in principles because often what you want is what's best for yourself. And you believe something, then you believe in free speech when it's in your service. When you hate something, you don't believe in free speech because you don't like it. The whole point, as many people said, is I hate what you have to say, but I'll defend you the death your right to say it. We will let Nazis. Yes, we will let Nazis march in small town America. That is the idea of the first amendment. I think Glenn starts out with a very fair point about hypocrisy on both sides when it comes to free speech. Free speech, except when it comes to the ideas they most hate, which they want silence.

I just want to make one crucial point, which is you had said people on the far left like Rashida Talib believe that legal residents in the United States have the right of free speech. that is an indisputable proposition that the Supreme Court has for 200 years affirmed. And just imagine if that weren't the case, it would mean that if, say, like, Jordan Peterson, who's not an American citizen, but is always in the United States, were to go and denounce the Biden White House. The Biden White House could arrest him and deport him, and nobody could object on constitutional grounds because he's a foreigner.

Of course, people legally in the United States have the right of free speech. And we don't want to create any kind of a framework, especially on calls. campuses, as the American right has been saying, where because of the argument that minority groups are endangered by certain views, black people or trans people or whatever, we have to censor those views in order to create a safe environment. And that's exactly what so many American conservatives that have great loyal to Israel are now doing. I appreciate you saying that in correcting me on the longstanding policy on the United States

First Amendment. I also would say, in correction of myself, it's not just the far left in Rashida Talib. It is, as you said, principal individuals, including those on the right, that would bring up the First Amendment. However, I will now go to you, Brooke. This man was also a green card holder. That is conditional, according to immigration policy. Now, what are the conditions where you can revoke someone's green card? Right.

Well, thank you, Will, for having me. I have to say at the outset that the debate about free speech here is irrelevant because Mahmoud Khalil was not detained, and he's not being threatened with deportation because of his speech. He was detained because of his conduct. He's not someone who is just standing there holding a sign that said, I love Hamas and kill all the Jews. This is someone who is accused of engaging in a criminal conspiracy and organizing mass civil rights violations, mass trespass, assaults,

destruction of property, hostile takeovers of private property, property and campuses. This is conduct. And so when you have conduct that's indefensible, of question of when speech and conduct overlap. I mean, you protest, you march. Is that conduct or is that speech? Now, this guy has gone much further, right? And she's pointing out, he did things like takeover buildings. You can't take over a building and go, free speech. So she's drawing, I think, a really smart delineation here between what this guy did and any of the debate over free speech. Of course, people are going to, you know, come and start crying, free speech, free speech.

But Glenn is smart enough to know that this is not a speech case. There are actions here. And it's because of those actions that he is being detained. And hopefully he will be deported because he has absolutely no right to be in this country and violate the provisions of his green card, which specifically say that you cannot engage in criminal activity. activity that endangers the public safety. And that is the activity he's engaged. Now, he does have a due process right because, you know, this is a democracy. We're not a dictatorship. We don't just round people up on the street and throw them out, right? He has a due process right now to challenge his detention. And the government will have to prove, they will have to prove by clear and convincing evidence that he engaged in conduct that violated his green card. So this free speech, I should tell you guys, right after this segment.

Okay, you guys, James, Youngest Testament, James, in two of days were in the studio yesterday for the show. Right after this segment, uh, Judge Janine comes, barreling into my studio. Out of nowhere. How'd she know you were there? Out of nowhere. There's so many studios. Boom, she's in. She asked 100%.

She was in the green room for the five, which comes on right after my show. Okay, yeah. And they had the TVs on. I know how it is over there at Studio M. And they were listening. She was watching. And you can hear her losing her shit. You can hear her in your head getting mad, at me, probably, too, and saying, this is all BS.

And so she said, what's due to her they in? Which, by the way, required her, it's on the same floor, but it required her to walk across the building. And go through two security checkpoints, meaning she had to use her badge twice, you know, to get in. She walks around here confidently. And so she walked across the elevator banks through two security checkpoints, into the other end of the floor, down the hallway to that studio waited for commercial break barrels into my studio right

which just for the record I tell you all that only for comedic purposes I don't care I don't care it was awesome I like it in fact she texted me later and I was like I would not have cared if you said during the middle of the segment

I want in on this debate I would have owned it said take a wide shot and put a mic on Judge Jeanette and an IFB so she can hear these two I would have done that and it had been amazing television and a better debate for it

I would have but she came in afterwards as a commercial break and she said to me this is all nonsense she used a word which I can't even pronounce this is non-judiciable

judicable maybe a scorpus or something and I said judicable she goes aren't you a lawyer and I'm like aren't you a lawyer well I'm like eh

you know kind of you know and she's like this is not a criminal proceeding there is no burden of the proof there is no judge there is no immigration judge this is a green card holder

who can have it revoked by the secretary of period. Marker Rubio can say, you're gone. That's the point she wanted to make. You're caught up here. It's not free speech. It's not a burden of proof. It's not an immigration judge. It is, boom, Secretary of State, gone. That's her position. It was pretty compelling. Could have just been her entrance as well. Go ahead, two days. Debate is a decoy, and Glenn knows that. Glenn? The way criminality works in the United States is that you have to be charged with a crime and then

convicted of one. Not only hasn't he ever been convicted of any crime, he's never even been charged with a crime. If he had been engaged in all this criminality and assaulting people and burning things that is being claimed, why hasn't the Trump Justice Department or the New York Police Department, which arrested hundreds of Columbia students in connection with these protests, why didn't they arrest him and charge him with these crimes? Marker Rubio, who is the Secretary of State who revoked his green card, said that the argument for revoking it is not. Not that he committed crimes. It is that his political opinion and political activism is a danger because it does not align with American foreign policy.

You have had all kinds of conservatives and Trump supporters throughout the campaign promising to come in and take all sorts of actions against people who are critics of Israel or protesting against Israel. There's obviously a huge political speech component to this case. And the solution for somebody legally United States who's accused of committing a crime is not to come on cable news. and say, oh, they did all these crimes, it's to charge them with crimes. He's not charged with any crime. He just had his visa revoked based on no process whatsoever. That's not the evidence required under the Immigration and Nationality Act. The government has to prove by clear and convincing evidence, not that he committed a crime,

but that he engaged and was convicted for it, but that he engaged in criminal activity. That is exactly what's going to happen. There's going to be a proceeding where the burden of proof is, on the government now to prove that he can be deported for violating the law. And believe me, if all they have is speech, the government's not going to win. This is not a free speech debate. And really quick, Brooke, what would be the burden of proof? What is the burden of proof to prove that he did what? To prove that he engaged in actions that violated the civil rights of other Americans, that he organized and was part of a conspiracy to take over to trust

pass to destroy public property to prevent Jewish students from entering into campus and so on and so far. We can see the Americans can see with their own eyes what happened at Columbia University. We're not stupid. We can see that it was beyond

speech. These criminal encampments were not just speech. They were action. They were activity and we have absolutely everybody. Dude, that wasn't just a bark. That was a pound of dogs barking. If anybody knows Glenn Greenwald, he's a huge A huge dog guy.

Oh, that's huge. Like, I don't even know how I know that somehow. I don't think I follow him on, like, Instagram. I think he has, like, 10 dogs. That's... Like that kind of thing. Sounded like it? He lives in Brazil, I think.

Brazil? Fascinating. Yeah. In Brazil, huge dog guy. Dogs everywhere, okay? Something has set his dogs off during the middle of this segment, and here they go. And I start smiling on TV. Was it truth set them off?

They were set off by the truth. They'd had enough of Brooke Goldstein. It had enough. The dogs are over it. They're barking back. So the dogs start barking. He lives in Rio de Janeiro, by the way. All right, wow. I've never been to Brazil. I'd like to go.

And so the dogs start barking. I have to own it. You can see me smiling. Roll tape. To get people out of the country who are endangering the public safety and national security of our country. Can you imagine the office? Can you imagine if we weren't allowed to deport him what this country would look like? I have to, I hear you. I hear the clear and convincing. short of a criminal conviction that can show that you are, I believe, the standard of national security of the United States.

Glenn, I hope you're unmuted. Your dogs joined the conversation for a short bit, and I appreciate their contribution. I'm going to put this last thing to you, Glenn, and it's worthy of a deeper conversation. I do worry that at some point the First Amendment, which, Glenn, I would consider myself a principled proponent of the First Amendment, and I hear Brooke that that's a red herring. It's not a part of this conversation. I hear you, Brooke. But I do worry that it's not a suicide pact. And we can't follow the past. of Europe in having people who don't believe in the foundational elements of Western civilization and calling for the end of Western civilization, then being protected by the exact foundations of Western civilization?

No, no, but Will, you're advocating the European model. In Europe, ideas are banned, and you can go to jail for them, and people do, if you say things that the state concludes is a threat to the national order to national security. J.D. Vance just went to Germany and shited them. for having that. We don't have that tradition in the United States. We have a tradition of free speech where you're even allowed to advocate the overthrow of the U.S. government, and that's how the country was founded. And the Supreme Court has repeatedly said, you're even allowed to do that. And therefore, of course, you're allowed to even criticize the sacred nation of Israel. I hear you. And by the way,

you're right. What that says to me in the end is we have to be much more serious about vetting people that come into this country and being more serious about our immigration policies. Because once they do, They have availed of some very serious rights here in the United States. Hey, this is a great conversation. I appreciated it. Hearing both sides, I truly do. And I'm glad for this to be a venue to have this conversation. Brooke, Glenn, and Glenn's dogs.

Thank you for being on The Will Kane Show. Oh, yeah. I thought that was awesome. Not to pat myself. I just enjoyed it. I watched the second. I appreciate what Judge Janine said that the debate is off of the appropriate analysis in terms of it's simply the discretion of the secretary. area of state. I actually want to get to that conversation that was the last bit with me and

Glenn. Like, I think that is a serious debate. Like, can the tenets of Western civilization survive the attack on Western civilization? Can a society of tolerance survive an attack from intolerance? Do you have to be a tolerant of intolerance? And, I mean, it puts you in a very serious pickle and some serious binds when you say, you know, we have free speech. So you can say anything you want, including that we should all kill ourselves. You know, that's what a guy saying he wants to end Western civilization is saying. And I don't know the answer to that question. And look, I went to law school.

I actually, I'm probably not as big of an expert on it as Glenn Greenwald or Goldstein. But I'm pretty good on it. I'm pretty boned up on it. Like, it wasn't just three years in law school that I learned and then left it behind. Like, I continue to keep up on First Amendment law. I continue to keep up with that stuff. And I think the only takeaway is the point I made at Glenn at the end. We can't become Europe.

We can't import people who don't share these values. That's the entire thing. I have a 25-minute conversation coming up with Vivek Ramo Svajwamy about this exact thing. What's it mean to be American? How do you become American? How do you have buy-in to the American dream? Vivek makes an interesting point. This will air probably early next week here on the show.

So go subscribe on Spotify and Apple so you don't miss it. 25 minutes with Vivek on this, LeVos, you and I can move to Italy and spend the entire rest of our lives in Italy. We'll never be Italians. We can move to Spain and do the same thing. We'll never be Spaniards. There are very few countries where you can move and become something, but you can become something in America. Then the question is, how? How do you become American? It's not simply a passport, green card, or I would even offer a citizenship document. You have to buy in to the idea of what it is to be an American. Otherwise, I don't think you belong.

I'm going to be blunt. I don't think he belong in America. All right, that's going to do it for us today here on The Will King Show. I hope you enjoyed this episode. If so, I hope you'll share it with your friends. Hit a five-star review. Send it far and wide. We will see you again next time.

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