Will Cain Country - Dave Smith: Has President-elect Trump Hired Neo-Cons? Plus, 'The View' Is Forced To Correct On Gaetz Claims

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

Story #1: Pete Hegseth nominated for Secretary of Defense. Rachel Campos Duffy's husband, former Congressman Sean Duffy, nominated for Secretary of Transportation. Will is the last man standing on FOX & Friends Weekend! Plus, Will shares about his experience on the 'PBD Podcast' and how a host of 'The View' was forced to issue a correction on her claims against Matt Gaetz. Story #2: Are the nominations of Pete Hegseth as Secretary of Defense, Senator Marco Rubio as Secretary of State, and Congressman Michael Waltz as National Security Advisor a disaster for U.S. foreign policy? Why did libertarians break for Trump this time around? Will is joined by comedian and libertarian, Dave Smith. Story #3: Will there be four, maybe five SEC teams in the College Football Playoff? Who gets left out? A conversation with The Crew.  Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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One. One, breaking news. Completing the Fox and Friends weekend trifecta. I have been named after Pete Hegsetheth was named. Secretary of Defense and Sean Duffy, Secretary of Transportation, I have been named the Secretary of Common Sense. I have been named the Secretary of Sports, the Ambassador of Texas. Last Man Standing. Welcome to Fox and Friends Weekend. I'm your host, Will Kane. Two, is Joe Biden trying to bait us into a war before the presidency of Donald Trump?

And is the appointment of Pete Higgs-eth as Secretary of Defense and Michael Waltz to the National security establishment, a disaster. We break that down with someone who has some questions, comedian Dave Smith. Three, Indiana, or a two-loss team from the SEC? We have got to break down the logjam of two lost teams in the southeastern conference. It is the Will Kane show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page, Terrestrial Radio, market to market across this great United States of America, and always on demand by subscribing at Apple or on Spotify. If you're watching a stream on YouTube, there's a text link underneath this live stream.

Inside, there's a little bit of button there, says subscribe to the Will Kane Show. We hope you will do so that way. You'll set a reminder and know that every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern Time, you can join us right here. Drop into the comments section and become a member of the Willis show. Sean Duffy, husband to my co-host, Rachel Campos Duffy, your new secretary of transportation. Fellas, I don't know how much longer we have together. The clock might be ticking, but I'm waiting for my cabinet appointment.

The only real question is what's left or what am I most suited for? Attorney General, taken, Solicitor General, filled. Labor? I have asked people on social media. most people suggested secretary of common sense there's got to be a new position i like that at one point it was the republic of texas perhaps an ambassador to texas what about something high up in doge working for elon musk cutting through uh red taping bureaucracy one would suggest i'm probably not doing a good job of that at fox news but i'm not ready to work 80 hours a week at minimal pay as that job has

been advertised by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy. No, instead, I'm wanting to build a powerhouse right here at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel. However, I just witnessed a real powerhouse. Guys, today I'm broadcasting to you live from northern Alabama, from basically a cotton field. And everyone knows that I'm a cotton farmer from West Texas. But I'm watching real cotton farmers here in Alabama and pick their cotton, grow the cotton, take it from seed to store. It's an incredible operation here, redland cotton. But I spent yesterday in Florida, I did the Patrick Bet David show. I got to tell you three, you members of the Willis Show, we have a ceiling to reach,

and we are not yet there. We know that, but it is an impressive operation. I'm talking about massive studio space, people working. An incredible show they're putting on there at PBD. And we got into it yesterday a little bit. We started talking about my friend and my former co-host, Pete Hegseth, our new nominee for Secretary of Defense. And I laid out what I think is happening in the media and what I think needs to happen. And I think there needs to be an army of lawyers waiting on that wall.

Watch. He is a real friend of mine, not a TV friend. I have said, when I'm done here on this planet, I want him to be one of the guys that carry my casket. Because I'm not objective, though, or that I have a bias, doesn't mean I'm wrong. Because of this, I know the truth about Pete Heggseth. And this is an incredible, incredible man with the right values, a flawed man who's made mistakes in his life, but a good man who wants to live up to his values and has principles and dearly loves the United States of America. This tattoo issue is nothing short of defamatory.

And I'm waiting for the army of lawyers to start attacking the mainstream media for what, look, I'm an attorney. I went to law school. For a public figure, the standard is malice or reckless disregard for the truth. That is malice. That is malice. That tattoo, as I go on to explain, is the Jerusalem cross on his chest. Something has been around since 1096. Something's been around since the Crusades.

and the tattoo of Deus Volt on his bicep means God wills it. Unless something's happened in the last thousand years to erase a millennia, because somebody appropriated a symbol on the internet, not unlike the OK symbol, which turned into the circle game and then somehow, through the internet, rabbit holes turned into a sign of white supremacy. Unless we've erased Christian history, that is what is tattooed on Pete Hegg-Seth. And for someone to not know that or to pretend otherwise to me is nothing short, as I mention, of malice. That's the standard for defaming a public figure, and I am waiting for the army of

lawyers. I actually think, fellas, that that message is starting to get through. That fear is starting to be felt in mainstream media. And well, it should be. I think that we have seen some instances in the last couple of weeks where clearly there's been a memo go out, perhaps at ABC, perhaps at CNN, and definitely at the view. Because I want you to watch something that happened the other day on the view, as Sunny Hosten was talking about Matt Gates' appointment to Attorney General. I want you to watch what she said and then what she was clearly forced to say minutes later on the view. How could you nominate someone with allegations of child trafficking across or trafficking across state lines and having sex with a 17-year-old? My understanding further on in the interview,

they discussed the fact that once he finds out that she's saying, he stops having sex with her. Sonny, you have a legal note. I do have a legal note. Thank you, Whoopi. Matt Gates has long denied all allegations, calling the claims, quote, invented, and saying in a statement to ABC News that this false smear following a three-year criminal investigation

should be viewed with great skepticism that DOJ investigation was closed with no charges being brought. We'll be right back. that is incredible we'll be right back the look on her face sunny hostin looks like she's been sucking on a lemon drop like she just ate something that rotted a few months ago she was clearly forced to issue that statement and she is none too happy about it reads all over her eyes in the way that she holds her mouth but i'm telling you guys listen as i said in that clip I'm not objective. I have my bias. I'm friends, very good friends with Hegseth. But what has

happened in the media, and I would argue now for several years, it's gotten out of control. The executives have lost control of people speaking beyond irresponsibly, recklessly. And I think in many cases, as I mentioned, with malice. And it's going to take some defamation. suits. It's going to take this army of lawyers to rein this back in. We've long lost the truth. We're now in full on propaganda, and we're defaming human beings with whom you disagree. But I'm not going to let that happen. This is a real friend. I'm not going to let that happen to Pete Heggseth. I think this will be a fascinating conversation. We'll talk about Matt Gates. We will talk about our future Secretary of Defense with Dave Smith, who's had some fascinating

debates with Chris Cuomo on Patrick Bet David a little bit later here in the Will Cane Show. But let's get started now with story number one. The left, I think, has now been baited into one of their worst positions, a weakness. They've been baited into insanity. Congresswoman Nancy Mace has championed a new bill that would force men to use the men's restroom on Capitol Hill. There is a transgender Congressman from Delaware who has been elected to Congress. This is a man who has transitioned into a woman. Well, there's quite some question, obviously, about where that person will use

the restroom. Nancy Mace has said, not in the women's restroom. This has caused social media and mainstream media to absolutely lose their mind over the last 48 hours. And in doing so, lean into their worst instincts, lean into insanity. I had this conversation yesterday with a friend on the left about this issue, transgender. And what I tried to communicate to her is I think I can speak for what I would assume is a largely held position on the right. I don't care what you do. I don't care what you do with your life. I don't care how you choose to live your life.

the problem is when your choices in life begin to dictate the reality of others this is the issue when it comes to sports of course there's empathy to be had for individuals and what they're going through and maybe even empathy for the choices they make and how they choose to live their life but that empathy can't become a distortion of objective reality and the imposition on the rest of society to live in another's delusion even if driven through empathy you don't have to live in a subjective reality to allow this congressman transition to a woman to use the woman's restroom prioritize putting one person's empathy one person's situation over the discomfort and empathy towards every other woman elected to Congress and if the left keeps running down this rabbit hole and having a fight not over how someone lives their life but how they force others to live their life. That's the debate over pronouns. What do I have to call you? That's the debate over sports. Where do I have to let you play? That's the debate over bathrooms. What space do we have to share? If you keep chasing this in, you're going to keep alienating. If the left keeps chasing

it, they're going to alienate the entire country. They're going to alienate America. Because while we are tolerant and even empathetic or loving towards how others want to live their life, it ends when you force your choices on the rest of America. My guest today on The Will Kane Show is a comedian. He's also a host a very successful podcast. He's been an incredible debater on several venues, from Pierce Morgan to Patrick Bet, David. And perhaps his most famous debate was one he had on Patrick Bet,

David's podcast, where he got to come face-to-face with one of the medias, I think biggest offenders of objective reality and truth. And even if he's got out of his own and corrected the course slightly, he can't just walk away from what he's done in the past. I'm talking of CNN's Chris Cuomo. Dave got face to face with Chris Cuomo some months ago to talk about the positions that Cuomo held on COVID. It was incredible.

It was justice. Watch. apologize i mean i don't know what i'm talking about apologize for for telling people take the vaccine for some okay let's just stick with joe rogan for mocking and smearing a person from the number one show at cnn and then years later admitting he was completely right about what he said how was that not attached to an apology if i ever smeared someone aggressively and then two years later i had to admit that i come out and just say all that what you said to pat on his podcast was exactly what joe rogan was saying this whole time you go first of all it's not horsy

it's used on people it's very safe and my doctor prescribed it to me that's why i'm taking it yes if i ever did that to someone i would apologize for that but it's but it's not the right context and right it's first of all it's both right it's veterinary grade and human grade i was not making a market which one do you think rogan was taken i hope he was taking the human grade if he was prescribed it which one do you think joe rogan who just signed his second two hundred million dollar deal was taking do you think he was stealing it out of the cat bowl or do you think he had a doctor who prescribed it to him. I'm sure they prescribed it.

So then you guys were all wrong for demonizing them. Not just wrong. In the same case as I'm talking about with The View and Matt Gates or the controversies of Pete Heggseth, not just wrong, malice, defamation in that case of Joe Rogan. Let's break all this down with Dave Smith. We're going to ask him about that moment with Chris Cuomo because Cuomo has come back. He called Dave a third-rate comedian. Let's get into that in coming up next on the Will Cain Show.

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and the Fox News Facebook page. Terrestrial radio, market-to-market, always available on Spotify or on Apple. Hit subscribe and also subscribe on YouTube. Joining me now is the host of Legion of Skanks and part of the problem, he's also a stand-up comic. He's been here on the Will Kane show several times. I've always enjoyed having the conversation. It's Dave Smith. What's up, Dave?

Well, thanks for having me. I'm glad to have you, even if you are a third-rate comedian, Dave. You know, you have now, you've now received the rebuttal. We just played your scuring face-to-face, so sweet, pure justice with Chris Cuomo. But you've now received the rebuttal, Dave. Let's play it for everyone watching at home. The idea that the guys that you see is just the last. level of talent. You're going to have better talent enter the space. Instead of like Dave

Smith, who's like a second, third tier comedian, you'll have Louis C.K. You'll have Sebastian Manascalco. You'll have Stephen A. Smith. You'll have Kevin Hart. You'll have a level talent that wants to enter the space and start owning these constituencies. You know, Benny Johnson, Ben Shapiro. This is not a level talent. Dave, what do you have to say about or to to Chris Cuomo. I mean, I don't know. I'm fine with him saying that. Saying like, I'm a third-rate comedian

compared to Louis C.K. is like, that's like Jordan. Like, okay, sure. It's like telling an NBA player, like, you're no Michael Jordan. Like, yeah, they all know that. I mean, maybe it's an insult to LeBron James, but it's not an insult to, like, anybody else in the league.

Chris Cuomo was a third-rate Cuomo. Like, he's not even one of the best Cuomo's up there. So I don't know. You know, I think that Chris doesn't really understand this environment. Like Louis C.K. is one of the greatest comedians who's ever lived. The idea that him or Kevin Hart are going to come in and take over the podcasting space, this is like when you see MSNBC saying they need to create their own Joe Rogan or something like that. It's like you don't really get that what you guys do will not translate to what Joe Rogan does.

There is no woke progressive who's going to go dominate the podcasting scene. And so I don't know. You know, I think he's got some bitter feelings toward me. I've said some not too kind things about him before, and that's fine. But I think it's a, I think he totally misunderstands this space. And as I've seen in all of the kind of election postmortems, nobody seem like nobody in the corporate media world seems to get it. They're, you know, the closest they'll come is like, oh, I think we went a little too woke

Or maybe the trans kid thing isn't as, you know, doesn't play as well with voters as possible. But the point is that the entire establishment of the legacy media is just so corrupt that people were looking for people who call out that corruption. You know, they there's, I've seen it like characterizes a right wing space. I was just listening to, I think on the view they were saying, oh, it's just the right wingers have, or no, is that lady from CNN was saying, The right wingers have these big platforms, but Joe Rogan isn't a right winger, and Glenn Greenwald isn't a right winger, Jimmy Dorr isn't a right winger. What they all have in common is that they call out the blatant, undeniable corruption of the establishment.

And then if you're not willing to do that, then you're never going to succeed in this space. That's just what it is. I don't know what he's talking about, A-lister's joining this space. I think that the better analogy he might need to wrap his head around, it's a little bit like saying, wait till Charlie Chaplin takes on the talkies. He's going to push out all these voice actors. It's moved on, man, because of what you're talking about. And it's moved on for what you did in that moment. Look, you and I, I've gotten to be, you know, I have gotten to be judicious about when I use the word friend. You know, I've never even met in person. We're friendly,

you know, I am truly friends with Pete Hegseth. And we're going to get into that in a moment, our future Secretary of Defense. But you and I are friendly, but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that when I give you this compliment, it is 100% genuine. What you did was absolutely amazing there with Chris Cuomo. You did an amazing job debating him, but you did it to his face. And I'm just, I'm taken over by curiosity, Dave. Like, what was it like after that? Like, when they cut the cameras at PBD, what was the interaction with Chris Cuomo? It was actually fine. You know, we didn't, we didn't interact much, but we spoke for like a few minutes afterward it would meet him and patch bet david and and it was like i think pat brought up the ufc and then

we just started talking about fighting briefly it was uh it was i kind of felt like i left it out there i got furious during the debate um but afterward i did you know i think i think chris knew what happened and he knew how it was going to go and you know he had kind of accepted that going in um but it wasn't i'll give him credit for that he wasn't like uh he wasn't nasty to me or anything after after the debate he did the more interesting thing to me was before the debate I only met him like 30 seconds before we went on and he looked he came in like we were at a funeral like he just seemed defeated before we started the thing and I think the big part of it is that he just knew like his track record on COVID is just it's indefensible

and so he kind of he didn't really know what to do in the debate so he figured he would just kind of pretend he had never said all of the stuff that he said. And Patrick Bet, David, he's got a real good team of people behind the control boards there. And they had all the receipts of when he had said the stuff. And so he was just left in a bad situation. They had the receipts. And you know, I'll give Chris a tad bit of respect for facing you, for facing Patrick Bet, David. But I think that you're absolutely right to call him out. You don't just get to pivot. You don't get to not face what you did. Because what you did, was what you were talking about a minute ago, Dave. It was corrupt. I mean, to tell those lies about

Rogan and at large about COVID was corrupt. And I think that's part of what I want to talk to you about today, because I made that argument yesterday on PBD, that what we're seeing in many of these cases, and I think we saw it with that clip from Sonny Hosten dealing with Matt Gates is beyond stupidity. It truly is. It's not simply reckless disregard. It's not mistakes. It's not opinionating. It is really malicious defamation. And I do think there has to be some accountability mechanism at some point. Let's back into some of those conversations because you're an interesting voice to talk about what's happened in the last 48 hours.

Joe Biden authorizes the Ukraine to use American missiles for long-range strikes on Russia. I think I heard this morning that the U.K. has done the same. Ukraine has fired U.K. manufactured missiles long-range to Russia. The timing of this is obviously very, very suspect when Donald Trump is positioned himself as someone was going to come in and negotiate a peace. And yet here we have the world powers, including Joe Biden, seemingly, I don't know, Dave, throwing a Hail Mary before their war in Ukraine is over, like this one last ramp up before it possibly could receive a peace under Donald Trump.

Yeah, I mean, it's so reckless and outrageous and just unprecedented and on multiple levels, right? So, I mean, we had an entire Cold War with the Soviet Union from the end of World War II, all the way up until at least 1989. And, you know, during this time, this was like the rise of the neo-conservative hawks and the thinking in Washington was, we're under this emergency. There's this evil ideology of communism

that is hell-bent on world domination. And so we have to fight wars in Vietnam and Korea, you know, proxy wars in Nicaragua. Wherever we got to go, we have to roll back communism. And look, I disagree with the cold warriors, but at least there was a, there was some truth to that. I mean, there was the Soviet Union.

They did have aspirations of world domination. But even then, we never had a policy this reckless. We always knew that we couldn't actually fight a direct war with the Soviet Union, with Russia, because we were both nuclear superpowers, and that's the, you know, that people understood the profound risk to humanity of doing that. So, number one, fighting this proxy war on Russia's border for the last few years has been like, more reckless than anything we ever did with the Soviet Union, which was obviously more of a threat than Putin's Russia. And then on top of that, I've just never seen anything like this before

where, you know, for all the people who say they believe in democracy so much, well, the people just spoke. And they voted against this regime that's been funding this proxy war. And they voted overwhelmingly for the guy who says he wants to negotiate an end to the war, which, what do you think they're doing? Well, you know, I don't know. What do you think this is? You know, I don't know. I mean, I think that you've got, I mean, they haven't been confirmed by the Senate yet, but you've got the prospect of Tulsi Gabbard being the boss of the intelligence community and Matt Gates being the boss of the Justice Department. And these were the mechanisms by which they launched the whole, you know, Russiagate hoax when Trump first won. So they don't have those tools potentially anymore. And maybe this is the game to try to get a provocation out of Vladimir Putin and then try to get Donald Trump's stuck in this war where he won't be able to pull out. I don't know. Maybe they're trying to get him to, you know, kind of come out and intervene in some way now in the in the lame duck session and try to throw the hatch act at him or something like that. I don't know. But it is such a

dangerous game to play. And I think Donald Trump's video response that he put out the other day was designed to be a signal to Putin and to Zelensky to just be like, hey, Vladimir Putin, don't overreact to this because a new administration's coming in in two months. And to let Zelensky know also that you better not take up Joe Biden on this because you're not going to have unconditional support going forward. Hopefully that's enough. I think that I would hope that Zelensky and Putin understand that about Donald

Trump. That's an interesting theory about let's not try to provoke Putin. Let's try to provoke Trump. Trump into stepping in to stop this escalation. And then you come after Trump for the Hatch or Logan Act because he's not supposed to negotiate with foreign leaders until he becomes president, not president-elect. But I do want to get into this with you. You have said that you are concerned. You are a very big fan of Tulsi. You just mentioned Matt Gates. I know you're a fan as well, and we'll talk about him, RFK. But you have your concerns about Marco Rubio. You have your concerns about Mike Waltz. And I've heard you voice your concerns about my friend and former co-host Pete Heggseth. In fact, you've gone to say that it's a disaster. Why do you think

these appointments are a disaster? Well, to be clear, I said Rubio is a disaster. And I would throw Waltz in there, too, as a disaster. I mean, look, these are people who have a long history of being absolutely married to the neoconservative, neoliberal consensus on foreign policy and have supported every one of the absolute catastrophic, disastrous wars of the last 25 years. Now, to your guy, Pete Hegseth, who I am, to use your distinction, friendly, but not really friends with, but I have met him at Fox News before. And I do think he's, I think he's a very smart. incapable guy, and I do think he's honest. I remember very vividly, he did this one segment,

this is many years ago on Fox News, where he was asked about his time in Afghanistan, and he just started openly talking about the epidemic of the warlords that we're propping up, raping little boys. And I was like blown away by the honesty. Like, I mean, I was well aware of this, but nobody ever talks about it. And so it was like, so, and I also think he's had some really good rhetoric on Ukraine. Like, I've heard him make very good points on that policy. And it seems to me that he was kind of a guy who did support the Cheney Bush foreign policy, but has reexamined that. So I don't know. He's a little bit more of a question mark to me, and we'll see what ends up happening. I just think that, look, the entire Donald Trump

America First movement from 2016 when he looked at Jeb Bush in the eyes and told him, your brother lied us into war has been that there's been a rejection of this foreign policy. And for good reason. I mean, who could, you know, in the, in the last 25 years, we've had major military conflicts and wars all throughout the region. I mean, in Afghanistan and Iraq, obviously, in Pakistan, in Syria, in Yemen, in Somalia, in Libya. And what they all have in common is that they were just absolute disasters, like catastrophes,

hundreds and hundreds of thousands of innocent dead people, trillions of dollars wasted, the region destabilized, and our bravest young men left wounded or injured or committing suicide by the tens of thousands. I mean, like, what policy could be more of a disaster than that? I can't think of anything else. And now I'm against almost every government policy,

but you'll have conservatives who will, like, rant about what minimum wage laws have done. Like, okay, yeah, they're pretty bad. but what about what about this and and and now we're fighting two proxy wars one with the biggest nuclear power in the world and another just in the biggest hotbed area of the world where there's looming threats of conflicts with Iran and Hezbollah and the Houthis and like and for what like I'm sorry but the overwhelming burden should be on you advocate of any of these wars to demonstrate very clearly how this is in America's interest except they can't do that because it's not and so

they do is just smear Tulsi Gabbard as a Russian trader or something like that for daring to question any of them. We'll get into Tulsi in just a moment. I share two things with you. I feel like, first of all, our integral position as a citizenry should be skepticism towards power, even if your friends are in power. You should have a level of skepticism towards any power. Second, once that power wants to do something with its power, we should be requiring them to articulate to us why it is in the interest of America, America first. Let me, though, then offer you, if not a defense, a perspective on what I think about all of those individuals. And I'm going to give you three quick ones. I know Michael Waltz, not as well, but I know Mike Waltz.

I definitely have sat on a couch and have known him for a decade in Pete Heggseth. I do think, one, Dave, there has been an evolution in many people's points of view over the past five to ten years when it comes to foreign policy. I do think in many of those instances, it's an honest recalculation. Does that mean it's one that you can count on into perpetuity? No, but I do think it's honest. Two, I think that there is a utilitarian effect to Donald Trump. So I've seen you tweet about this and nobody. within Trump world likes him anymore, but there was a utilitarian role to John Bolton.

And Trump's talked about it, and it's pretty funny when he talks about it. But he's like, you know, I'd sit down with these guys. And I've got this guy over here turning red in his face and his mustache is blaring out, and his eyes are reading hatred. And the other world, there's going, oh, my God, I think this guy wants war with me. You know, and all of a sudden Donald Trump becomes good cop. Some neo-conish instincts present, not driving, but present within this administration, actually doesn't scare me because I think you've also got Tulsi.

You've also got these other power players in there, and I've seen you call it incoherent. I don't think, this is where I think sometimes I've had this debate with you or I've moderated you with Ben Dominic. Like libertarianism sometimes, its failure is puritanical. It's puritanical and utopic. And like, do you need everybody singing from the same script as Donald Trump? No, there's a utilitarian purpose to having different points of view in that room. And then finally, third, though, I do trust Donald Trump's instinct.

He has been consistent in America first, and all of these people work for Donald Trump. Well, okay, so there's a lot there. The first thing I would say is that a lot of times, I think, when we talk about government in general, we confuse the mythology with the reality. And so to say that all of these people work for Donald Trump, well, I mean, I don't know. In his first four years, all the people under him certainly did not work for him. And in fact, a lot of the people who worked for him framed him for treason, knowing that they were lying. And so, no, I don't think it's like- Real quick, that's a fair rebuttal, a totally fair rebuttal that seems to be a priority to change

this time around with Trump. Now, that I agree with you about it. And I think there's a reason why he put outsiders at, you know, Tulsi and Matt Gates, those picks really do. That's a symbol that he is thinking the way you're talking about. But I do, look, I just, I'm familiar with the argument that Trump's made. I think he's got it completely wrong. And the truth is that having John Bolton by his side didn't, like, drive the North Koreans

to the table because they were so scared of him. They came to the table. He brought John Bolton in, and it killed the peace talks. And there's, you know, tens of millions of prisoners living under Kim Jong-un. It's a tragedy of our time that those peace talks didn't result in anything more. And, you know, I just don't really buy this idea that like as if the world hasn't gotten the message yet that America's willing to bomb some people or as if Donald Trump himself just from his first administration doesn't have like the street cred from all of the, you know, from Soleimani and bombing Syria and backing the Saudis in their war against Yemen. I mean, I don't think you actually need to keep these warhawks in your cabinet just so that people are scared of what the crazy guys. might do. I think that in his first administration, they were nothing but a net negative. And I think

they're probably going to be a net negative again here. And, you know, again, listen, your point about libertarianism being a little bit utopian, I think there are certainly libertarians who fall into that type of thinking. I don't think I'm guilty of that. I'm not arguing for none of this is utopian to me. I don't, I don't agree with Donald Trump on a lot of things. I don't agree with Tulsi on a lot of things. I don't agree with Matt Gates on a lot of things. But I do think that Tulsi is much better than the alternative would be there. And I think even better than Donald Trump's picks right now would be like, let's just have people who actually aren't Warhawks who believe in his vision.

I mean, there are plenty of people. Douglas Colonel McGregor, who Trump hired at the very end of his first term, is excellent on all of these issues. And nobody is mistaken enough to think that Douglas, Colonel McGregor, or Colonel Douglas McGregor, is like a wimp or something like that, or wouldn't attack somebody if that, or wouldn't respond if somebody attacked the United States of America. So I just don't, I just don't see it. I don't think that keeping the warhawks around. We'll have to see how it plays out. You're concerned about profligate

warmaking, you know, with these individuals. I, I see the upside of peace through strength, rebuilding strength. I hear you, you don't think we've been lacking in strength or in flexing our muscle. I think that we've lost a lot of credibility. However, that credibility is built on the world stage, particularly over the last four years. And I think, you know, walk softly and carry a big stick. And when I see, I hope Mike Waltz, I definitely think with Pete Heggseth, what we're building is a big stick. And Donald Trump's job is, although he's not necessarily a walk softly type guy. He has big words, but hopefully walks softly in wielding the weapon that is the United States military. You brought up Tulsi. You talk about the way the attacks are on her. You had a great moment of the night on Pierce, Morgan, with Joe Walsh, who I don't know what he is. Used to be right. Now he's left. Used to be neocon. Now he's indistinguishable from. And it is fascinating, Dave. That's a separate conversation, how Bill Crystal all of a sudden becomes indistinguishable from Joy Reed. That's something like that has happened with Joe Walsh. And here you are with Joe Walsh.

The argument is that there were a million off-ramps to the war in Ukraine. I know the argument, yeah. Chose to not take any of them and that this war could have been avoided and it could have been negotiated away. Now, the idea that if someone makes this argument, your counter to that is to say that you're a Putin asset. This is so, first off, it's just despicable and it's profoundly stupid. It makes absolutely no sense at all. But listen, at least during the original. McCarthyism period, at least during the House Committee on American activities, at least back

then, there were some communists. Nobody is loyal to Vladimir Putin. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You're entitled. No, Tulsi Gabbard, of course, is entitled to her opinion as a citizen of this country. But if for 10 years your opinion is identical to Russian propaganda, we are entitled to question that and someone like that. Yes, you're saying nothing. And I'm entitled to and I'm entitled to make the point that that's the dumbest argument I've ever heard in my life. You don't need the pat on the back. What you did so well there is, is listen to his words. That you're exactly right. To say someone is entitled to an opinion is saying nothing. That's not addressing the point. You're defaming her as a Russian asset. And as evidence, what that you point out

they're offering up is some correlation between her points of view and someone in Russian power might share. You're saying, oh, because you might have an opinion that is correlated similarly, you've carried it all the way to you're an agent of Russia. Yeah, it's just so ridiculous. And so then like, okay, if we're going to use that logic, then okay. I mean, I guess Donald Trump is an Israeli asset and Joe Walsh is a Ukrainian asset. And like, it doesn't make any sense. I mean, that's not, it's not an argument to say this foreign government agrees with you. And I get this all the time from, you know, people who will say like, you know, if you take one position, well, well, you agree with the social justice warrior leftists. Or if you take another position,

well, you agree with the white nationalist. Or even worse, you are a social justice warrior. You have that one opinion that is correlated to something they have, not you agree, but to use the analogy directly to you are a Russian asset. Oh, Dave, now you are a social justice warrior. Yeah, it'd be like if you were like, hey, I think Hitler was a really bad guy and they were like, you're a spreading Stalin propaganda. Yeah, you're a Stalinist. Okay. What? Like, I don't know. Stalin was right about that. He was wrong about a lot of other stuff, but that one was a good take. So what do you want? It's just, and it is, I mean, I was a little harsh, I guess, on Walsh there, but it's just, the thing is that it got, it gets me angry because it's, look,

whatever criticisms you have of Tulsi Gabbard, and I have some, I don't agree with her on, on several different, very important issues, but the woman served her country. I mean, she was embedded in a medical unit during the worst of the fighting in Iraq. So to come out and kind of, and call her a traitor, I just like, it's just so despicable to me. And then to have just for the argument to be so incredibly weak, like to make that type of accusation and back it up with absolutely nothing is just, it's so preposterous. And like, yeah, okay, I don't think we should have ever, I think we never should have had this war in Ukraine to begin with. And so, yeah, that's also what Putin, you know, agrees with. But so what does that mean?

Like, what is the standard there? That doesn't mean I like Vladimir Putin or that I mean. I'm, you know, there's a million different areas, by the way, when he goes in the last 10 years, Tulsi Gabbard, everything she says is what Vladimir put. It's not true. There's a million. Look at her position on human rights, her position on a free press, her position on Israel. Her position on a million different things are completely 180 degrees opposite of Vladimir Putin. It's all just so dumb.

I wanted to ask you about this while have you, Dave. This is a fascinating story. I think, I hope you've seen it. It's from the Washington Times. It's just from yesterday, but it's a whistleblower who within the FBI is, and this is a new story. It's going to sound like you've heard this story before, but you haven't heard this story if you're watching or listening. And the reason it sounds like it is because they've done this more than once. But this is now a whistleblower suggesting that in 2016, James Comey directed the FBI to investigate Donald Trump with a honeypot scheme.

Now, this is separate from, you know, Russia gay. and the Steele dossier and all of these different investigations in the FBI. This is early on they planted, I think I understand a honeypot accurately, but they planted FBI agents or assets within the Trump campaign to try to draw him into different types of scandals to investigate him. And I think it was open-ended, Dave. I don't even think it was a focused investigation. It wasn't like go look for him to see if there's a connection to Russia.

Go look for him for anything. It was an open-ended, let's put these honeypots. And by the way, I do think the definition of a honeypot or the common application was like women that you can kind of entice into different situations. But it's anything that attracts someone. You're trying to attract them to some type of wrongdoing. They did this before all that other stuff you've already heard, and it was directed by James Comey. Yeah. And I will say that, not that I have definitive proof of this, but the Trump Tower meeting that was.

such a big part of the early Russia gate nonsense certainly seemed to be a honeypot. And I don't know if that's true for sure, but it was like this Russian lady who basically told them she had dirt on Hillary Clinton and ended up meeting with all of them. And then she just didn't have anything, which by the way, it would not be illegal to meet with a Russian who said they had information that might be useful to you. But then she had nothing. And it just did feel like, oh, they're trying to lure them into something so that they can use that as the groundwork for, you know, spying on the campaign or, you know, entrapping them into

something. And look, listen, as crazy as this is, as wild as it would be that the FBI would be getting into domestic politics and trying to, you know, damage the leading Republican candidate at the time, the thing that will always just remain the craziest to me is that you would, you would imagine if you had any last remaining vestige of belief in the American system that even if you were going to cross that line, once he won and became the commander in chief, you'd have to stop because that is now your boss. And you, you know, you swore an oath to the Constitution like that you have to, you can't, but they didn't stop. And they continued for at least the first three years of his administration. And then even kind of with the Hunter Biden thing, kind of brought it back by

saying, oh, this is Russia interfering in the election again. Look, I am not, I know that there's a lot of people out there who get turned off by like the language of like retribution and stuff like that, but I do think that people need to be held accountable for this. And I'm not saying like the lowest level people, but the people who are higher up the food chain, like this is by maybe not treason by definition, but you truly did betray your country. I mean, like to try to be, to be, somebody in the intelligence apparatus and to be framing the sitting United States president for treason. You know, for all of the people who called

Donald Trump a dictator, it's like a dictator would probably handle that situation in a slightly different way than just letting it go. But these, and I'm not calling for any type of like extrajudicial justice, but these people should face trial. I mean, like people should go down for this. And for the COVID stuff too. I mean, it's just the level of corruption and lies.

and just pure evil is something that I don't think any healthy society can just tolerate and move on from. Well, I don't think anything's happened since I've been walking the cotton fields of Alabama this morning, but I know there's been suspicion or suggestion that Cash Patel could be the next lead of the FBI. I don't think there's been a new one announced this morning. Again, I was literally picking cotton. But between whether or not it's Cash Patel or RFK, who you're a big fan of, as in my, by the way, on many of these issues, many, many of these issues. Honestly, Pete Hegseth at DoD, who promises real change in a lot of ways with entrenched interests inside the Pentagon, or Matt Gates at the

Department of Justice, these people are not incremental change appointees. This is the potential for drastic change. It makes me wonder, this will be my last thing with you, Dave. Do you think that all of these individuals, or do you think there's one in particular, are not going to make it through the process. I mean, the big food lobby, the pharma lobby, these are powerful institutions in the United States are going to be very opposed to RFK. Yeah, I don't really know what the answer is to that,

but I think you're absolutely right in the spirit of the question that this is not, you already see people freaking out, but the thing is that what these guys all have in common is that they're outside of the corrupt, machine. And in fact, they're very critical of the blatant corruption. But that means that they're a real threat. I mean, this is, you're talking about, you know, that when you're talking about the United States federal government, it's, this is the biggest most powerful entrenched interests in the history of the world. You know, you're talking about, you know, Ron Paul, the greatest living

American hero. Ron Paul tweeted something the other day, or I guess he said it on his show. But he, you know, because Elon Musk was talking about cutting $2 trillion. And he goes, listen, that would be great that you're going to make a lot of enemies if you try to cut $2 trillion. And that's something people should be prepared for. You know, when Bobby Kennedy talks about rolling back the power of these big pharmaceutical companies who have the system completely rigged in their favor, you're talking about robbing people of hundreds of billions of dollars in profits. They're going to do everything in their power to fight back against that. And I don't know how these guys are going to do through their Senate confirmations, through the hearings. I would say that if we could ever get it done right now is the time.

I mean, Donald Trump just won in a dominant victory. The entire corporate media apparatus has been completely discredited. And he does have, you know, I know they love using these term mandates, but he's got a mandate as much as we, much more so than in 2016. And so now's the time. I think he's right to go for it with these picks, and we will see what happens. All right. You get more of that, plus more of that feisty debate from Dave Smith at part of the problem podcast as well as co-host of Legion of Skanks.

He's also, you know, maybe a second-tier comic. We want to go so far as Chris Cuomo, not third tier, but maybe a second-tier comic. Love having you on the show. Thank you, Dave. Thanks. Well, I appreciate it. all right all right when we come back indiana is undefeated we might have a fight across the mason dixon line because they may be having a debate against a two-loss team in tennessee georgia olmiss maybe

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horns on the outside undefeated Indiana it's the will cane show stream alive at foxnews.com on the fox news youtube channel and the fox news facebook page if you're on youtube drop into the comment section you become a member of our community a member of the willisha you can leave a comment we bring you into the show there's a poll question up right now two days you've been asking you guys back in new york have asked the audience a question what are you asking and what are you getting back in an answer so the poll question we put up is will Biden start world war three before Trump gets into office, and we have about 2,200 votes so far on it, and 62% say yes, he will. 38% say, no, he won't.

I mean, that's a terrifying response from the audience. We have, we have, what, it's not quite yet in December, so we have some time to go. My only hope on that before we transition to college football is that Vladimir Putin and Zelensky, both see the handwriting on the wall and see the inevitability and that they won't be baited by any aggressive action from NATO, from Europe, from Joe Biden into some type of response that requires an unavoidable then response from the West. And I hope that they can see that, you know, if not peace, negotiation is on the way. But it is incredibly suspect what's happening right now. It's incredibly suspect to be greenlighting long-range missiles into Russia.

It's the type of thing that if this does go wrong, history books look back on this period in American history with not a jaundiced, not a skeptical, but a damning eye towards Joe Biden. All right, let's talk on a lighter note about college football. Let me just go around the horn with you guys really quickly. There's a debate brewing. One of my old friends over at ESPN, Ryan Rosillo. This is really going to upset tinfoil Pat, I believe. One of my old friends, Ryan Rosillo, is debating one of my other old friends, his former co-host, Danny Connell, over Indiana. Ryan's argument is, look, man, and that's how he talks, by the way.

That's a pretty good impression. Look, man. I've watched college football. I see what I see. Indiana hasn't played anybody, and they don't look like Georgia. It is, though, a tough pill to swallow to say, here they are undefeated and you. like a two-loss Tennessee, you like a two-loss Ole Miss, you like a two-loss Georgia over Indiana. And maybe we're talking about even at that point of one-lost Indiana to Ohio State.

We've got that game coming up. But I'm going to go to you, Tinfoil. I am so incoherent on this. I really am. Because on one hand, I'm like, oh, you play the games, you reward the resume. That's the only right way to do this. but I do think Ryan has a point like Indiana has played

seven of the bottom eight teams in the big 10. That's who they're winning against. The terrible teams in the big 10. And I think in the end by the way, Ryan's argument is he hates these mega conferences and he hates the way this is gone because of the scheduling produces

this like I don't know, it's apples and oranges comparison. You can't come to a just argument between Ole Miss and Indiana tinfoil. I guess. You know, I'm probably on Ryan's side on this one. I hate the idea of the mega-confercies. I hate the idea of, like, I would go back even before BCS.

Blow it all up. You can't have more than 10 teams in a conference. Everything has to be regional within reason. So you can't have like SMU and ACCC or Stanford. You're on Ryan's side when it comes to blowing up the conferences, but you're not on Ryan's side taking Georgia over Indiana, right? I mean, you are the most diehardest of die-hard. Florida State fans. You got left out over last year. There's no way you're leaving out

Indiana. No, no. I don't, but I don't even think the playoff should exist because we can't compare it the same. Like it's apples and oranges. It's, it's, I mean, like if you look at Oregon, you know, I mean, they don't have to play Oregon. They don't have to play. I mean, they're probably going to play Ohio State and lose. So we're not going to have to have this conversation anymore. But like, I don't think we should have. Well, then it's a one loss, Indiana. Still. I mean, like, I don't know.

But Georgia hasn't looked great either. Like, Georgia went, had one big game against Texas, but they didn't look like dog crap all year long. So, I mean, like, I don't know. I think that, I think a lot of it is SEC bias, but I would blow the whole thing up. I mean, this whole system's not working. Why does the mountain west get an automatic bid? That's a group of five. The Mountain West is not.

But the group of five gets one automatic bid. The best team from the group of five conferences, it happens to be Boise State. I mean, there are some teams in real trouble here. I think the way this is shaken out. And those teams are teams like SMU, BYU, your one loss, can't take a second loss, obviously, teams that are going to be measured up, perhaps Indiana if they lose to Ohio State. they're going to be measured up against these two loss SEC teams by the way which could include Texas

what I've been reading lately is there's so much and I don't think this is completely fair but skepticism towards Texas because of who they've played I mean Texas scheduled the defending national champion in Michigan they had Georgia on their schedule now who these teams turn out to be is difficult and by the way Texas's opponent's record is almost the same as Georgia's

It's almost identical. Now, I don't know about the BCS strength of schedule stuff, but their opponent's record is almost the same, but I'm reading a two losses for Texas, and they may be out of the playoff. Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, like, I don't know. I just feel like there's a lot of, like,

I side with Danny on this that we should not be going and polling so early in the season, because now it's looking like every, one of these SEC teams is beating up on each other and it's just like good win over good after good good win because you know this team beat the other team when they were number 10 and so it gives a bigger strength of schedule um so we don't really know you know who is good and who's not good because we're going off of early season polling um which really but imagine imagine if it was a 14 playoff like this year with this kind of parody like that's not any not only the

Is that not easier? That is more unjust. And, I mean, do you feel confident you can identify the four best teams in the country right now? Like, I don't think you can. Who are the four best teams? I mean, you give Oregon and Ohio State two of those bids right now, but then what? Texas for now, as they have one loss. But it's difficult.

It's difficult. And by the way, Dan, like, I think a one lost Notre Dame is safe. but, I mean, I forgot to mention them. I was waiting for it. And they've got, they've got brand power. But, I mean, Notre Dame is not a guarantee for the playoff. I disagree. I think they are. But as Notre Dame fan, I also think there's way too much SEC bias going on. And that's just, you know, an unbiased opinion.

I'm saying also in the chat, Dragon Rider 77 says the same thing. So they agree with me. Someone's also saying UGA would smith. match every team outside the SEC besides possibly Ohio State and Oregon. Correct. I think that's true. Yeah.

I mean, there is. You play the games on the field. You play the games on the field. Like you can't. But we see what we see as well. We just, we know they're going to get wallups the second they get put up against an SEC team. So I mean, all right, if they're undefeated, give them a shot. But like at the end of the day, if Patrick, Patrick, right now, if Oleis played Miami, what do you think would happen?

I think Ole Miss probably has the edge, but that's why you play the games on the field. I mean, Miami's defense sucks. It's terrible. But they have enough of an offense to make it a challenge. Just like FSU's, like, we lost our quarterback. We had an elite defense. We should have been given a shot, you know? That's all I'm saying. And I'm very, I have a soft spot.

I have a soft spot in my heart for them, but I don't know about SMU versus Tennessee. I actually feel better about SMU than I do Miami. I actually do. Me too. I think they're better than Miami. That's interesting. They have a better defense. But, okay, how many, we need the SEC to beat up on itself.

That's what we need. We need some three losses here is what we got to have happening. Because what do we have, six teams right now that are one or two losses? Is that what it is? Six teams. And I don't know how many bids for the SEC. But, I mean, you could safely say four, right? Are you going to throw fit, Patrick, if it's four teams from the SEC?

I would. you would heck yeah you don't think there's four teams from the SEC there are the 12 best teams in the country no Texas Georgia Alabama I don't know if Tennessee is better than

I don't think Georgia deserves to be in it I mean look they just been looked not undeserving I don't know they're not the Georgia of old I think they should be out I would be hard pressed to find four that I would really believe in

The problem is they've all had this circular firing squad. It's like Georgia loses to Alabama and Ole Miss. Alabama lost to Tennessee. Ole Miss lost to some bad teams. And then you see them play other teams and you're like, oh yeah, the SEC isn't insane. I think you're going to get four SEC teams. I think you need to prepare for that. What's up, James?

I would say at least four teams. I mean, this is all well and good, and we debate it. But if we go to the betting odds, there's only five football teams that are less than plus 1,000 to win the national championship. And everybody else is far behind. And it's Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, Texas, Alabama. So we're going by Vegas. Those are the only five teams that are there. Maybe one of these teams sneaks in, but I don't see it.

It's going to be one of those five in January. And the reason is, I mean, like, the teams that are going to win, they tend to have the, highest blue chip ratio, which means that they have more four and five star players and everybody else. And the teams that, you know, like SMU probably is not going to win if they get a playoff. But they should be given that shot because they only have one loss and they're a pretty good team. I mean, like, I don't think Tennessee's better, you know, but. Well, they control their destiny. That's a good thing for SMU, right? They control their destiny. I would like to see SMU. I would like to see Colorado. I think they're entertaining. I'd love to see Colorado. I'd love to see Colorado.

get in as the Big 12 champion. And then I would like to see Notre Dame in there. I actually think you've earned it, Dan. That's a good win against A&M. After that horrific loss, I think you have earned your way outlier. I don't know if you're going to get two ACC teams. You're not going to get two Big 12 teams, I don't think. You get Boise State.

And then it's SEC and Big Ten. That's what it should be. That's what I think. That is going to crown the most. deserving national champion, and it's going to be the most entertaining product for everyone. And to bolstrup, James Point, last Friday's sports exclusive episode of the Will Can Shoe at Andy Staples, Vegas does know what they're talking about when it comes to these odds in these betting lines. They've got their information there in Las Vegas. All right, I didn't

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