Will Cain Country - David Harsanyi: Former Congressman Matt Gaetz Withdraws From Attorney General Consideration 

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

Story #1: MSNBC craters! Panic among the ranks! Joe Scarborough & Mika Brzezinski visit President-elect Donald Trump as other talent call agents asking about their futures as Comcast spins off MSNBC.... Will breaks it all down with FOX News Contributor, Joe Concha. Story #2: Will's Rabbit Hole: What the novel 'Demon Copperhead' can tell us about the story of America.   Story #3: During the show, former Congressman Matt Gaetz (R-FL) withdrew his nomination for Attorney General. What's next for Gaetz and the remaining nominees? The Author of ‘The Rise Of Blue Anon: How The Democrats Became A Party Of Conspiracy Theorists,’ David Harsanyi, breaks it all down. Plus, he shares the Democrat's three wildest conspiracies. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing WillCainShow@fox.com Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 One, MSNBC craters, panic within talent. Joe and Mika visit Trump, reporters and anchors, calling media reporters and asking, what is my future, because Comcast has finally decided to sell MSNBC. We'll break it all down with Joe Concha. Two, Will's rabbit hole. I'm reading Demon Copperhead, an absolutely rock-solid recommendation for a novel. But it's led me down the rabbit hole of wondering, who are the Melungeon? Redbones, Lumbies, Ramapo, the Hidden Tribes of America.
Starting point is 00:00:50 Three, Blue Anon, the three biggest conspiracies of the left. a conversation with the author of a new book, David Harsani, on Blue and On. It is the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Always on demand by subscribing on Apple or Spotify or dropping down in the text description underneath this live string and finding the little button that suggests subscribe to the Will. Wilcane show on YouTube. It's been insane. It's been crazy. It's been
Starting point is 00:01:32 great. It's been wonderful here on the Willcane show. Fellas, we are growing the Wallitia exponentially. I see the smile on tinfoil's pace. Everybody's upset. This is something else. What's happening here?
Starting point is 00:01:47 It's happening. We're doing it. We're doing it. It's really awesome. Between, you know, the audience that has found through Patrick Bet David, through an incredible guest yesterday, Dave Smith. Just an insane week for us, two weeks for us, around the election of Donald Trump as president of the United States.
Starting point is 00:02:08 The Wollisha has grown, and we are so excited that new hundreds of thousands of you are joining us here on YouTube, on Facebook, on Spotify, on Apple, on radio. It is, it's worth it. It's all worth it. I've been working on it. There you go. No, you don't put the elbow tucked. Keep the elbow tucked.
Starting point is 00:02:26 you just move this part. Yeah, there you go. There you go. The chest stays straight. There you go. That's more like it. Yeah, don't extend in a punch. Yes.
Starting point is 00:02:35 You're telling me. Keep the elbows. It's more just this motion. Into the ribs. And then just up and back. And then there's the occasional flare. This, that, or. Yeah, yeah, that's when he's getting really frisky.
Starting point is 00:02:46 Then he, then he. You know, it's taking everyone by storm, the Trump dance. USA Today reporter Nancy Armour suggested a new column that there's going to be some regret within the ranks of the NFL. She suggested that players in the NFL and across the sports spectrum and in popular culture are going to look back on this moment when they've normalized Donald Trump, when they've normalized the Trump dance with regret. Once their friends are deported and their entitlements cut, they're all going to look back on this and think, what role did I play in normalizing Donald Trump? she thinks it is as ben has opined on cnnonin it's simply a popular trend a fad you know like a kentucky waterfall that one day you'll look back on your high school yearbook and regret what i would suggest to her is she is the trend she is the fad and it's well out of style what took place over the last five to ten
Starting point is 00:03:44 years is the exception in america you know jaguar has a new ad out where they're seemingly advertising cars but there's not a car to be seen in the ad it looks like the Benetton ads from the 1980s. It's androgynous, multiracial sex being sold that is simultaneously not inspirational nor sexy. But what's sad about the Jaguar ad is it's a fad, tardy by five years. It existed in a moment of time
Starting point is 00:04:17 where it suggested that cool was defined by the radical left. And I would suggest that Nancy Armour in her column suggesting athletes will one day regret the Trump dance is also a moment in time where she was at the peak of her popularity, her ideas most mainstreamed. 2018, no, I don't think this is just a popular trend. I think this is cathartic. I think it's blowing off steam. I think it's a coming out party. I think you're seeing how people really felt. I don't think Christian Polisich is just following a TikTok dance trend. I think Christian Polisich is now Captain America. I think the guys in the end zone at the NFL, I think
Starting point is 00:04:53 John Jones are letting you know what they think about Donald Trump, what they think about America. And that lets us know exactly who now. Five years tardy to the party is about to go away in America. Story number one. Comcast, the parent company of NBC, NBC Universal, MSNBC, CNBC, Oxygen, Sci-Fi has announced that they are going to spin-off their cable channels from the parent company, spin-off MSNBC away from NBC. This has caused absolute panic within the halls of 30 Rock. You see, MSNBC isn't a news gathering organization. It's not a news organization.
Starting point is 00:05:43 It's simply infotainment. It's entertainment. It is opinion. They don't have their own cameras. They don't have their own reporters. Everything is built on the back of NBC, meaning leading many to wonder, well, what is the future for Joe Scarborough?
Starting point is 00:06:00 What is the future for Mika Bresenski? What's the future for Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow? Well, for their part, Joe and Mika have made their pilgrimage to Mar-a-Lago. Earlier this week, they went to meet with Donald Trump, the man that for the better part of a decade, they have called Hitler. they sat down with their own self-described Nazi.
Starting point is 00:06:23 What's the motivation for Joe and Mika going to Mara Lago? Well, many are saying they're trying to avoid personal retribution. I guess keep themselves out of the camp by kissing the ring of Hitler. More than likely what you're looking at as two craven individuals doing anything they can to remain relevant and understanding what I described to you at the beginning of this show. Their day is come and gone. The trend is over. The fad has faded.
Starting point is 00:06:47 It's no longer 2018. America has come out of the closet as red, white and blue, USA. But they also have to be wondering, what's the future for their lives at MSNBC, Joe and Mika? What's the future for that network? Bill O'Reilly here formerly of Fox News was on News Nation saying, this is NBC itself far left, ostracizing themselves from those who are hateful conspiratorial. left because that's what they are at MSNBC that's not that's not hyperbolic rhetoric it's not
Starting point is 00:07:24 even dripping in hatred it's simply an objective scientific microscopic clear-eyed analysis no one can look at joy read and think that you're getting the news no you're getting hate and as such it's embarrassing for even far left NBC and also it is completely now devoid of credibility. Why? Because so many people have been exposed, not just for being stupid or hateful, but for being wrong. Alan Lickman is a longtime presidential prognosticator. He's got his 12 keys that have told you the right person that's going to win the presidency for 30 years. But Alan Lickman was horrifically wrong when it came to Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. And now he's getting it. He's getting it shoved back into his face. I give you, far left,
Starting point is 00:08:17 commentator, Jank Weiger, and Alan Lickman on Pierce Morgan. You don't know anything. You attacked me personally. You're so deluded. I've only been a professor. I just 51 years published. I've never been able to finish a thought. How many books have you published?
Starting point is 00:08:32 No, because you're personally attacking me. Again, say whatever you want, but I'm not going to stand for personal thoughts. You were preposterously and stupidly wrong. So, okay, all right, can I just finish a goddamn thought? ever on this show. No, not if you're asking well, I admitted I was wrong. I don't need you to call me stupid.
Starting point is 00:08:53 Okay. Can I just say it's great to see you Democrats all getting along so well. Don't call me stupid. I admitted I was wrong. It's panic. You can hear that. It's largely because Lickman's a fraud.
Starting point is 00:09:06 He's a fraud. He had his 12 keys, all unscientific. It's like the way that many of us analyze sports. It is sports. You know, here's the different factors that I go into saying the Jets are going to win. Wrong. you know, he's got his 12 factors that he got lucky. He got lucky several times in a row.
Starting point is 00:09:21 You know, this is the scientific equivalent of you in the backyard shooting hoops going, if I make the next shot, she'll date me. Then when you miss going best two out of three, then when you miss going best three out of five, you've all done this. We know it. It's not science. It's Alan Lickman. And now Lickman, instead of admitting that he's wrong in any substantial way, is blaming it on the voters. Watch Alan Lickman. so the idea that trump was this great charismatic figure is absolute nonsense and again if he looked at his campaign it was the worst campaign we've ever seen in the history of the country as victory had nothing to do with trump's charisma nothing to do with his campaign he's not wrong it's just
Starting point is 00:10:04 america that got got it wrong this is you shooting hoops in the backyard this isn't science this is something unworthy of credibility. And that is what has been populating not just MSNBC, but CNN, but CBS, but ABC. And yes, even the parent company who now is afraid or ashamed of its redheaded step-cous in BC. Let's break down the implosion in mainstream media with Fox News contributor, media analyst Joe Concha. What's up, Joe? How are we doing there, Will? That was a great monologue, by the way.
Starting point is 00:10:42 Good. I'm watching it again. Thank you so much. All right. Hold on. Thank you so much, man. What do you want to talk about? We have talked, Joe, about the MSNBC and CNN ratings crater.
Starting point is 00:10:55 But what we're seeing today is something incredibly new. And the announcement that Comcast wants to spin off MSNBC, your thoughts? I think they'll get pennies on the dollar. Well, I think it's basically a worthwhile. product at this point. And if I got to hear one more time, and I don't know if you get this when you're just out and about talking to people, when they say, well, Fox is really just the rights version of MSNBC. Stop right there. All right. Because on election night, we'll have people like Brett Baer, an actual journalist, an actual anchor, or Martha McCallum,
Starting point is 00:11:29 or Sandra Smith, or Bill Hemmer. I could go down the line as far as the journalist that we have. And you go over to MSNBC, and who are their election night anchors? Rachel Maddow, opinion person, Joy Reid opinion person, Nicole Wallace opinion person, Lawrence O'Donnell opinion person, Jen Saki opinion person. So that's the difference here if you want to break that down. But overall, what we saw in 2016 was a Trump bump, right? It was actually very good for these networks that Trump was elected because, well, he's unpredictable. And a lot of people like to hate watching or his supporters or as loyal as we've ever seen in politics. So that was all good for all votes. And they all rose after he won in 2016. This time around, it's going in the
Starting point is 00:12:08 opposite direction. And I don't think they're coming back because the difference now is there are podcasts like yours or Joe Rogans or all these other options. People just read X all day. They don't even go and read the New York Times anymore. So I think with all those options, I think people can be like, you know what, I was lied to. These people are crazy, by the way, Joe Scarborough, Mika Brasinski, not only calling Trump Hitler, but saying he's going to execute U.S. generals. He's going to jail anybody who disagrees with him, that he's, what else, Terminate the Constitution. I got a whole list down here. He didn't do any of those things from 2017 to 2021. So how could you say he's going to do it now? That's why I think this is a permanent death spiral for MSNBC, CNN, where they're not even getting like 400,000 viewers on average. How small that is. That means you're not even getting 10,000 viewers on average per state. And that's really hard to do, Will. I think at this show, the Will Kane show, had 350,000 viewers yesterday. And shame on you, Joe. Shame on you. Shame on you.
Starting point is 00:13:05 for forgetting Chris Hayes. I mean, he's doing his best Rachel Maddow impersonation. He can't do any more. And you forgot that he sits on that election night special. And I just feel bad for God's been in prime time for 10 years. And you forget about Chris Hayes. It's just shame on your job. He forgot about Chris Hayes.
Starting point is 00:13:23 They said, we want to get Jen Socking in here. Chris, can you give up a night of your show and give it to Jen? Yeah, you're right. He does do an excellent imitation of Rachel Maddow, but nothing beats Dallas Maverick's owner, Mark Cuban. I mean, that thing was to a T. I mean, that was like Dana Carvey doing George H.W. Bush. I was very impressed by that.
Starting point is 00:13:41 Well, I know you were. It is impressive. It is impressive. Former Dallas Mavericks owner, Mark Cuban. Former Dallas Maverick's owner. You know, Joe, you talked about Fox. I do want to build upon what you had to say because you mentioned the journalists on Fox News. And I would add two other notes to the distinguishing factor.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Let me actually add three notes, the distinguishing elements that make Fox nothing like MSNBC. number one millions watch fox tens of thousands of watch msnbc fox is a behemoth msnbc is a tadpole second in addition to the journalist that you just mentioned how about tray yinxed you know how about all the men and women in the field in the middle east in the ukraine news gathering bill malusian on the border fox does actual reporting actual journalists in the field msnbc has nothing of the kind joe they have nothing of the kind. They lean on the muscle of NBC. So if they are sold off, they are nothing. They are nothing. Honestly, they're nothing and they're actually less than the Will Kane show. Because I can bring Trey Yinks on. I can bring Bill Malusian onto the Will Kane show. They do not have
Starting point is 00:14:52 reporting capability. They're less than a digital product than like the Will Kane show. And finally, opinion, Joe, you know, you rattled off that all those people are. opinion. And it's true that Fox, we have opinion. Jesse Waters' opinion. Sean Hannity is opinion. Will Kane is opinion. But I would set those opinions up against anything said by Joy Reid or Rachel Madd out over the last decade any day of the week. There's a sense of responsibility in sharing your opinion grounded in the truth that is just vastly different. No one on this network perpetuated the Russia collusion hoax. And we're going to have David Harsania on a little bit to talk about the three biggest conspiracies of the left. But the real
Starting point is 00:15:30 difference in the conspiracies from the left and the right is that the left's conspiracies are mainstreamed. They're laundered through the likes of MSNBC. So even when you put opinion side by side, it's nothing like what you're getting on MSNBC versus Fox. Oh, boy, you're so right about that. And you know what I think keeps me in line. And look, I always like to prep anyway. You know, what's the old Navy SEAL saying? The more we sweat in training, the less we believe in more kind of thing. So whenever I join you on Fox and Friends weekend, even for like Rachel's cultural breakdown. I have notes for that because I know that there are nefarious forces out there like media matters that watch and listen to every single thing we say and then they'll write a story
Starting point is 00:16:11 about if you get even one fact wrong and then places like media pick up stories like that and then before you know it's going viral over maybe you just misspoke or maybe you didn't do your homework. So I try in my opinion and I used to be a reporter but I've gone to the opinion side and quite frankly it's more fun because I know that if I get it wrong it's going to be called out in some way, shape, or form, or just by people watching Fox who may be fans on X, like, hey, Joe, you said this. I think you meant this type of thing. I'm like, oh, all right, good to know. But yeah, their facts, their opinions are not based in any sort of reality whatsoever. And I think that's why you brought up Bill Malusian before, just as an example. And Bill does
Starting point is 00:16:45 great work and has much better hair than both of us. That I do know. And that's probably why I'm wearing a hat right now. But Bill is a serious reporter who does excellent work at the border. And I think when Donald Trump won, not just all those swing states to the popular vote, NBC viewers must have been like, what, the border is such a big deal? Like exit polls, say that was a number two issue? I don't think it's really that bad. And then like, well, if you watch Fox, you probably would know that it is worse than even probably being reported. So yeah, between Malusian, you mentioned Trey Yanks, who does a great, Benjamin Hall, our friend who, you know, lost his ability to, you know, basically walk. You know, he had young kids at home. You hear these
Starting point is 00:17:21 stories. He put himself in harm's way. And then finally a shout out to our White House correspondence. Peter Ducey, who a little bit, little trivia question. My son in elementary school has the same teacher that Peter had at the same elementary school, which is quite the, quite the trivia stat there. And Jackie, right, right? They ask great questions in that press room. And they always go viral because no one else is asking the good questions. And I would hope that the correspondence there finally wake up and be like, okay, maybe I should be asking, let me look at Gallup and see what the five most important issues are to voters. Maybe I should be asking about that more and say climate change abortion in January 6th less.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Well, Bill O'Reilly suggested, and this will be our final topic together with Joe Concha, Bill O'Reilly suggested last night, Joe, that the next in line after MSNBC for a market self-correction or at least a corporate sense of responsibility would be the view. I've made the case, and I don't say this lightly, Joe, because I am a free speech absolutist, But there are limitations to free speech. One of the limitations that our law recognizes is defamation. Defamation telling untruths about other people out there in the world, whether not private or public is a different standard, but telling untruths about them that damages
Starting point is 00:18:37 them in some quantifiable way. That would include reputation. What we've seen yesterday was Sonny Hosten forced to go on-air mid-show, mid-segment, and issue essentially a correction about the things she was saying. saying about Matt Gates. I think the view CNN and what we're seeing with MSNBC is in line, Joe, for some serious market correction. Now, that can come in many ways, Joe. That could come in the form of defamation suit. I think it could come in the form of an attorney general under Donald Trump reexamining public broadcast airwaves that are licensed by CBS, NBC and ABC that are
Starting point is 00:19:16 as part of their charter supposed to serve the public interest. And I think you have a very strong case to make they are not serving the public interest or it could come simply by some sense of corporate responsibility the likes of which we may be seeing here now at comcast what do you think will happen to the view ABC CNN CBS overall you're going to see a lot of consolidation you're going to see the layoffs that we're going to see at CNN soon it's just not a sustainable model because without the ad revenue coming in we all know what happens from there as far as the view, people don't realize that they are under the ABC News umbrella, not entertainment, which is what it should be under, I guess, if you want to call that entertainment, but news.
Starting point is 00:20:00 And at some point, there has to be a comeuppance. I mean, we saw Whoopi Goldberg go after this bakery on Staten Island saying that they won't serve. I don't have the full story. I kind of went by it and you can probably fill in the blanks, but basically won't serve certain people based on religious belief. Is that what happened there? And the guy proved that he does. She made the accusation that a bakery on.
Starting point is 00:20:20 Staten Island, supposedly her favorite, and she wanted to have the views celebration of her birthday catered by this bakery on Staten Island, denied her service because of her political point of view. As it turns out, and as it's explained by their attorney, their boiler was down, and they didn't feel secure about their ability to fulfill the order. Whoopi took that as an insult to Whoopi and then took the power and muscle she has. By the way, she's the more powerful figure in this dynamic. She took the airwaves of ABC and absolutely went after this small bakery on Staten Island.
Starting point is 00:20:55 Yeah. And what was the result, right? Again, I go back to X. X then fact checks Whoopi. X is not a person. It's millions of people. And now the bakery is having its best business it has ever had as a result of Whoopie lying about what happened. So I think that's like the great corrector here is that there are a bunch of Paul Revere's on there,
Starting point is 00:21:16 you know, screaming saying, that's wrong and we're going to hold you to account. And then you get what's called ratioed into oblivion. And then a business like that actually thrives when in the past without X, it would have been Whoopi's word versus them. And with the media behind whoopee probably, she would have got away with it. She isn't this time. And hopefully there's a lawsuit coming her way as well as a result. Thanks for filling in blank on that, by the way. Well, I think we are going to see, I think we're going to see in financial terms, we'd call it market correction, Joe. In justice terms, we call it accountability. I do have a sense we're about to see a pivot, some accountability for the insanity that has been spouted off from these quote-unquote
Starting point is 00:21:53 mainstream sources for far too long. I'm really happy we got to have you on with what? A Browns Jersey, Joe Concha? Is that what I'm seeing? Am I seeing the Cleveland Browns? Correct. It's a Kevin Mack jersey, and I own every NFL jersey home and away. It's my one vice that my wife allows me to have. and then I'll wear the jersey of the team that's playing tonight. And obviously we have the Steelers in Cleveland in a very cold and possibly snowy brown stadium. So that's going to be very, very fun to watch. Joe, you have a home and away for all 32 NFL teams. And I assume if you're wearing Kevin Mack, you don't have necessarily just contemporary jerseys.
Starting point is 00:22:29 So you got retro, you got vintage as well. So I have to ask, what are your two jerseys for the Dallas Cowboys? Oh, I have Bill Bates. The one rule is that it has to be the old school jersey. Yeah, Bill Bates, great safety, very underrated because he wasn't on any Super Bowl teams, I don't think. So that was that. So yeah, Bill Bates and then my away jersey,
Starting point is 00:22:47 which is actually the Navy one, is Roger Stolbeck. The player has to be older than me or else. I feel weird. I can't wear Trevor Lawrence. That's incredible. I have to give you props on your taste. You picked like a quintessential cowboy on both fronts, one very popular, obviously Captain America, Roger Stalbock,
Starting point is 00:23:04 the other more of a niche inside Dallas respect for Bill Bates. Great job. just so impressive Joe Concha right here on the wheel cage. Thank you, Joe. Yeah, have a good one. Take care. All right, there he goes. Joe Concha. By the way, over there on YouTube, the folks are talking.
Starting point is 00:23:23 And Leftoid says MSNBC and CNN do more spinning than a washing machine. Suzanne, again, my boss, chiming in on the YouTube comments. Suzanne, the blonde, suspicious, my boss, Suzanne, says, I feel like Fox hosts actually like each other too, unlike MSNBC. And then Sean Lombard says, Elon will buy it, turn around, and make tons of money. I don't think Elon's going to be interested in MSNBC. Very popular segment in the past.
Starting point is 00:23:57 We haven't dusted it off in a few months. Will's rabbit hole. Obviously, I'm not always just tuned in to politics, not exclusively seeking relief in sports. In fact, with the pitiful play of the Dallas Cowboys, I found other ways to spend my leisure time. I've been reading. And when I fall down a rabbit hole, I want to share with you what I've learned. Today, let's talk about race, tribes, Appalachia, hidden tribes within America, including the Malungians. Next on the Will Cain Show. This is Jimmy Phala, inviting you to join me for Fox Across America,
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Starting point is 00:25:32 we'll talk about that when we sit down with david harsanii the author of a brand new book blue anon about the three biggest conspiracy theories on the left i've been reading fellas um a book called demon copperhead it's by an author name barbara king solver now you know i've talked to you guys about the power of recommendation from time to time like the way it works is for me at least i got to hear something about two or three times like and once i hear it it I'd say two or three times, I start cluing in. Oh, maybe this is pretty good. But Barbara Kingsolver kind of in my head was like, okay, that's going to be chick lit.
Starting point is 00:26:12 I'm going to be honest. Like, I have trouble connecting to music or movies or books that are not designed to connect with me. And I don't feel sexist about that. I mean, Taylor Swift doesn't talk to me. She's not trying to talk to me. So why would I connect with Taylor Swift? I was actually in a car yesterday in Alabama with a Fox and Friends producer. And she said, we'll just try it.
Starting point is 00:26:38 Let's just try a little Taylor Swift. So I did. Which songs? I did. So there was one called Cowboy Like Me. It was all right. Yeah. I mean, I didn't hate it.
Starting point is 00:26:49 And there was another one she told me was the song that Taylor Swift wrote about Jake Gyllenhaal. You know, one for breakup songs. Was that the long one? Yeah. Ten minute version. I don't know. That's the thing. James, it's not bad. I will tell you, it's not bad, but it's not designed for me.
Starting point is 00:27:07 It's good work. So, you know, like, if I listen to Zach Bryan or Jason Isbel, and even if I don't share their politics, I know that what they're talking about is sort of designed for me to identify with. And these different artists, I do. I get what you're talking about, man. And that doesn't make me sexist. That just sort of makes me the appropriate consumer, you know. So I had a similar presumption about the book, or any book by Barbara Kingsolver. But boy, was I wrong. I was so wrong about Demon Copperhead. So Demon Copperhead is about a boy who grows up in Appalachis,
Starting point is 00:27:47 western, southern western, the furthest western county in Virginia, on the border of northeastern Tennessee. And he grows up in a community and in a family that is just prototypically what we come to think of as Appalachian. I mean, coal mining, poverty, opioids, the whole deal. And he grows up in orphan. He grows up in foster care. And it's about his life navigating this, starting from about the age of 10.
Starting point is 00:28:16 And I don't know, because I haven't finished the book, like, how old he is by the time the book ends. But it's a lot about high school football. It's really great. And it's incredible the way this woman, who's not middle age, she's old. I would suggest, I don't know how old she is, but she looks on the book jacket cover like 60-ish, 60. it's incredible boys she is captured like the voice of a redneck young man i can't even tell you how like that's what dan i don't know if you read fiction but because i know you love music you should read this book for no other reason than to hear the voice of this kid and then you're all
Starting point is 00:28:53 constantly reminding yourself it's written by an old woman i mean it is phenomenal phenomenal nominal writing, demon copperhead. But, by the way, in the course of this book, I learned as a quasi-side rabbit hole the origins, which I never knew, of the term redneck. Does anybody know where that comes from? Do you know why certain people are called redneck? Sun. You get the sunburn sunburn on your neck, working outside? Certain minds. That's what I thought. That's what I thought as well, the back of your neck being sunburned from being bent over working manual labor in the son no huh it's it originates at least i learned this in this book and it is fiction but it's grounded in like um you know local history of the region that that the coal mines and towns of appalachia were
Starting point is 00:29:43 largely owned by the business and anyone that lived or worked in that town not only worked for the coal mine but they shoped at grocery stores owned by the coal mine everything they bought was by the mines and at some point I believe it was in the early 1900s, the coal miners go on strike against the coal mine. Well, the mining companies then bring in union soldiers,
Starting point is 00:30:06 like American soldiers, to quell this rebellion, to quell this strike. And the miners took to the mountains and took to the hills and fought back against the militiaed soldiers in Appalachia.
Starting point is 00:30:19 And they identified themselves, the fellow miners, the local militia, by wearing red scarfs around their neck. And so they became known as rednecks as they fought. I forget the name of the war, but it's like in American history, it's one of these wars that is real, localized,
Starting point is 00:30:36 but a significant story in the story of America. But I'm reading this book, okay, and the main character is a boy named Demon Copperhead. Demon is a nickname. His name is Damon, and I can't remember how he got the name Copperhead, but it's not his Christian last name. But part of it is because of the way he looks. he's got like shock red hair
Starting point is 00:30:57 real bright like green eyes and dark skin like tan it's described almost as like he's tan but through the book they keep throwing this term around and he says
Starting point is 00:31:09 I'm a malungent and it's a capitalized M and throughout the book they talk a lot here and there about malungians and enough that she never really does a historical lesson on what is a malungent and I'm like I got to know what this is
Starting point is 00:31:22 And so, as is the mark of any good piece of content that I consume, I'd fall down the rabbit hole. I'm on Wikipedia. Now I'm on Google. Now I'm reading about this or that. So, interesting, right? Yeah. Like, curiosity peaked. What's a malungian?
Starting point is 00:31:37 So, malungians are sort of a subset of ethnic people, particular to this region of the country. Northeastern Tennessee, western Virginia. But their origins are somewhat mysterious. is. So the popular conception is they are tri-racial. They are black, white, and Native American, Indian. And in the book, they talk about that a little bit. Do you have Cherokee in you? You know, what it may be. But I've read now, most DNA tests suggest, and it's
Starting point is 00:32:08 really, really hard to trace, because we're talking about a population of people that sort of popped up out of nowhere in the 1700s. And so it's hard to identify. There's common last names, some common last names, but like who's a malungian, who's not a malungian? And so it's like, who do you do DNA tests on? But DNA tests, like 23 and me, don't show a ton of Native American that they have sub-Saharan African and, you know, Western European DNA. So what it most likely is, is, you know, mixed race breeding in marriages dating back to the 1700s at a time when, by the way, obviously that would have been incredibly controversial, and yes, laws dating up until
Starting point is 00:32:52 the early 1900s in Virginia that banned miscegenation, banned mixed race. So what happened is it's almost like this new category of people was identified, in part we should say, to avoid racial discrimination, to avoid segregation. No, I'm not subject to this law or that law. I'm a lungeant. I'm not black, right? But what I found equally fascinating is First, there are suggestions that we've had already before Obama, the first black president or the first president who is Melungeon. Could you guess who that might be? Clinton? Not looks-wise, but they said Clinton was the first black president. And this president, you wouldn't identify with that geographical region.
Starting point is 00:33:40 But his family did come from somewhere near this region of the country. He would have represented a. he would have represented a separate state when he ran for president. What do you got, tinfoil? Was it Jefferson? No, so you got to go between Clinton Jefferson timeline-wise. That's a pretty big one.
Starting point is 00:33:59 Frontalogy. All right. So from Virginia? Western part of the Virginia? Okay, let me give you a few more hints. How about here are a few characteristics people talk about with Malenjin. Yes, darker-complected skin, high cheekbones.
Starting point is 00:34:14 I'll give you this. His mother was from Virginia. He represented the state of Illinois. Lincoln? He represented Illinois. Lincoln. What? There are some suggestions online that Lincoln was Melungeon. But secondarily, here's the secondary curiosity for me that this peat.
Starting point is 00:34:36 There are people all across this country that are micro-sub-small-group ethnicities, racial groups, slash tribes that are fascinating. So there's a group called the Dixons in Florida, in the Panhandle. Same thing. Are they part Cherokee? Are they part Indian? Are they mixed black, white? There is in southwestern Louisiana, a larger geographic region, a group of people
Starting point is 00:35:02 called Redbone. In North Carolina, there was a group still is called Croats. And then it seems like an extension of this called the Lombin. Okay, now this one, and they think maybe even Melanjans as well, are connected to something that we talked about in a previous rabbit hole here. Jamestown is the first American colony to take, but it's not the first American colony. The lost colony of Roanoke is the first failed attempt at establishing a Western European colony on this continent. But they disappeared. The lost colony of Roanoke disappeared, and no one knows what happened to them.
Starting point is 00:35:41 Did they starve? Were they slaughtered by Indians? Or there is a suggestion. And Patrick, I think you remember we talked about this. Virginia Dare is the first Western European woman born on America. She was a baby born here. And, you know, Dare, V Dare is still a thing on the far right in many places, but it's not just a far right thing. It's like historical. She's the first, essentially white woman born on America. She was part of the lost colony of Roanoke. So the third theory is they disappeared. into the Indian tribes. And they intermarried and they became a new group of people that they think are connected to Croats or became Lumby's. But then finally, the group that has previously captured my attention
Starting point is 00:36:24 and sent me down a rabbit hole that I didn't do on the show is the Ramapo of Northern New Jersey. And I don't know if you Northeasterners are aware of that, but you got the Ramapo Mountains, right? I remember watching a movie called Out of the Furnace with Christian Bale.
Starting point is 00:36:37 Love that movie. It's really good movie. So good. Okay, do you remember, they go to those fights, and Woody Harrelson plays a Ramaphos, right? Yeah. And so two days, that sent me down the rabbit hole. Who are the Ramapo?
Starting point is 00:36:48 Yep. Well, it's very similar to the Malungians. Are they American Indian? Because the Ramapo are a state of New Jersey recognized tribe. But I don't think they're a federally recognized tribe. They claim Indian heritage. But there's a working theory that they are what's called the Jackson Whites of New York, which were free blacks who served, I think, who fought with the British maybe.
Starting point is 00:37:10 I'm not positive on that. And then they kind of fled or moved out to the mountains of New Jersey. And here's what's fascinating. So finally, here are my big three. I wanted to share with you guys my three takeaways of this being more than just to simply, hey, did you know about malungeons? So first, it is one, the, you guys know I'm attracted to this. But the lesson in hyperlocalism that is the incredible true sense of the word diversity
Starting point is 00:37:41 of America. Like each one of these tribes I described for you, they're actually like one or two counties in each of those states. Like, you know, the Dixon's in Florida, one or two counties, the Melanjans, two, one or two counties, the Ramapo, one or two, really small. And you don't know about it unless you're from those areas. I'll give you another, for example, there's the Turks in South Carolina. And people thought, are they the same thing? Are they claiming to be sort of Turkish in order to escape? No, they've done DNA tests. They're actually descendants of like, a small group of Turks who moved to the United States in the 1700s, and they've remained insular and with each other in a couple of counties in South Carolina.
Starting point is 00:38:20 And how would you know about this if you weren't from this area of the country? So I just think in a world that reduces everything to black and white, you know, meaning literally you're black, you're white, maybe you're Latino. It's such a rich sense of real diversity that you only get to see through the microscope of hyperlocalism. Second, I think you do have to acknowledge that all of these groups, are connected into America's racial past and history. Like they are attempting to escape in some ways, the black and white, right? They are attempting to qualify themselves as something separate from those two ways
Starting point is 00:38:55 that we created laws for much of our history. And then third, the deep history, because everything I'm explaining to you dates back to the 16 and 1700s. I come from Texas. Our history is 200 years old. It's 200 years old. three, four hundred years old here. And when you have a scope of history that long, it's just really fascinating. And of course, my family probably comes from Tennessee or Alabama and my wife's family
Starting point is 00:39:24 comes from Kentucky and before that, Virginia. So we all have our deeper connections. But when you live in a place with that deeper, longer sense of history, set aside Europe, how interesting it is that you can develop these little pockets of color, of richness that I think just makes this whole thing so special, America. And by the way, I cannot recommend it enough. Demon Copperhead. You should read Demon Copperhead. Two days, you got something you want to tell me. Matt Gates has just tweeted out. I had excellent meetings with senators yesterday. I appreciate their thought feedback in the incredible support of so many while the momentum was strong it is clear that my confirmation was unfairly becoming a distraction to the critical work of trump vance wow matt gates
Starting point is 00:40:17 i assume with this suggesting he is declining his nominee as attorney general yep big news breaking news breaking news here on the will cane show boy that is something to really think about believe I have this correct. The last time the Senate declined to confirm a nominee to a cabinet position for a president was 1989. We are not seeing that here with Matt Gates, but he's saying that the writing was on the wall, so he will move to pulling his nomination as Attorney General. That is breaking news, and that is worthy of deeper analysis. Perhaps we'll get into that, plus the three biggest conspiracies of the left with the author of a brand new book, Blue and On, David Harsani, next on the Will Cain Show.
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Starting point is 00:42:05 we speak. We invite you into the conversation. I think this is fascinating. It is, I don't want to call it wholly unexpected or a shock, but it's still, I think, a surprise. As I mentioned, no cabinet nominee had been declined by the Senate since 1989. I believe that was George H.W. Bush's nominee for Secretary of Defense, who had his own controversies, but also there were questions about his party loyalty, like who he had been aligned with in the past, was he a true Republican, and he did not get the support of the Senate. Now, whether or not Matt Gates would have got support of the Senate, I think I would have thought came down to the will of Donald Trump. It would take quite a senator to right now thwart the will of Donald Trump. Donald Trump overwhelmingly
Starting point is 00:42:56 winning for president of the United States, well over 300 electoral votes. a clear mandate. And I think marching forward, real power to define the future of Republican, of the Republican Party. And if he said, I want Matt Gates, I think it would have taken some real act of defiance from a United States senator. So it does suggest that Donald Trump, perhaps, was ready as well to move on from Matt Gates. He's officially now no longer a congressman as well. I think there are definitely chess pieces in play here, hard to process. What does that mean for other a cabinet appointees? What does that mean for Robert F. Kennedy Jr., for Tulsi Gabbard, for Pete Heggseth?
Starting point is 00:43:39 I don't know, and I think it's something I've got to sit back and think about, but I can also help process it with you here, drop into the comment section, and let me know what you think here on the Wilkins show. We can also talk about this with David Harsani. David Harsani is the author of a new book, The Rise of Blue and On, how Democrats became the party of conspiracy theorists. I want to get into this book. David has laid out for us today.
Starting point is 00:44:01 The three biggest conspiracies forwarded, championed, disseminated by the left. But David, first, I want to get your reaction to the news, the breaking news about Matt Gates. Well, I assume he went to the Senate and enough of them said they weren't going to, you know, support him. You only need four or five to do so. Obviously, you have some senators who aren't, you know, were pretty moderate. And a few others who don't probably aren't as loyalty. to Donald Trump, as one might expect. So that's how I view it.
Starting point is 00:44:35 I think that there was just, if there's no path forward, he was probably either asked or saw the writing on the wall and stepped aside. Let me ask you some chess-based questions, David. Do you think that this is a shock? Is it a surprise? There are those who suggested this was the fate of this appointment from the beginning, that there was a great anticipation of Matt Gates, was never going to get confirmed. He's already, as you mentioned, very unpopular within some
Starting point is 00:45:05 circles of Republicans. Do you think this is chess in some way being played by Donald Trump or that he had a real interest in making sure that Matt Gates was Attorney General? I have no, you know, inside information, but it seemed to me he was serious about it. I don't think Donald Trump really, I think he's pretty straightforward. I don't think he plays the 3D chess like his fans often believe. I think he's straightforward. I think he wanted him. I think from what I read, he was convinced by Gates himself, kind of like the last person in the room. And frankly, he moved forward without even vetting him. Typically, with cabinet positions, you kind of feel out the Senate, you see who they like, who they don't like. But I, you know, maybe Donald
Starting point is 00:45:47 Trump was testing their loyalty in a way. I don't know. That could be true. But he wasn't really vetted. I mean, honestly, he is a big name sort of online, but he's a backbencher, really. He hasn't done that much. I'm not sure what qualifications he had or maybe people just felt he wasn't the right guy. So it is surprising that it happened because usually you get your way when you're president. But considering who we're talking about, I'm not sure it's that crazy to believe that he's, you know, that he would need to step aside. The ethics thing, you know, it's a complicated situation. Well, so I would not push back, but forward the conversation with with this.
Starting point is 00:46:23 I think that I probably disagree with whether or not Matt Gates. was vetted at least when it came to his personal record. Nothing is a surprise. Matt Gates has been drug across headlines in the media for the better part of a couple of years. So no scandal caught Trump by surprise when it comes to Matt Gates. Now, whether or not Donald Trump vetted Matt Gates in terms of pushback or popularity within the Senate might be a separate question.
Starting point is 00:46:48 But I think that goes back again to Trump believing that, hey, don't go against Donald Trump. As for qualifications, David, I don't know. Gates is incredibly smart. I mean, that is undeniable. Like, he's just a smart, smart guy. He intellectually knows the law is, is, is, is well-educated and articulates conservative points of view in way that I think actually very few can, even while caging it in constitutionalism or in the legal framework. Gates' style, I think, in the end, is his undoing, more so than ethics or a lack of qualification. he just made a lot of guys mad he just always made guys on the right mad he was willing to go that way i mean kevin mccarthy hates the guy right and i don't know who else but kevin mccarthy's got
Starting point is 00:47:38 a lot of friends and a lot of those types republicans hated gates my suspicion is in the end that's why they weren't going to vote for him they hate matt gates i mean it's completely part of it i mean you have to build goodwill with people in power to you know get power and i mean listen he took down he took down the Speaker of the House for personal reasons. It was pretty clear that they had a problem with each other. And, you know, there was no plan to see who was going to be the next speaker. He just did that. I think that rub people the wrong way. I don't argue that he has a high IQ. But let me just be a devil's advocate for a minute and say he's the type of guy, I think at least, that I would be nervous, that he would be more loyal to the president than he would be to the Constitution. I know I have
Starting point is 00:48:24 I have no particular thing that I can point to to say that that's true. But he is known because he is a Trump loyalist. I mean, that's why he's known. That's why he was probably picked by Donald Trump, which is completely his prerogative to do. But it's also a Senate as an independent institution that needs to protect itself as well and do its job. So, you know, I don't know. I think there are better people to do that job. If you really want to fix the justice department, I don't mean qualifications like, oh, boy, you ran some institution. I mean qualifications, like he's shown the ability to destroy something and then fix it. You can't just destroy the Justice Department. It needs to be fixed. It's going to exist. It's not going anywhere, no matter what people think. So anyway, I don't know. Those are just my immediate thoughts. I just heard about this. David, on on who might be a new appointee for Attorney General? I haven't thought about it. I'm not sure. It'll probably be a wild card. It's going to be hard, actually, for the Senate to come back again and say no to the second pick, right? So he can maybe pick whoever he feels like right now without much pushback. Oh, I should be careful. My phone's
Starting point is 00:49:28 ringing right now. This could be it. This could be the call. I mean, I don't know why you'd leave me out of the Fox and Friends weekend appointments to the cabinet. Here's the one I'm suited to, Attorney General. Meanwhile, real Donald Trump has tweeted or put on true social. I greatly appreciate the recent effort of Matt Gates and seeking approval to be Attorney General. He was doing very well, but at the same time did not want to be a distraction for the administration for which he has much respect. Matt has a wonderful future, and I look forward to watching all the great things he will do. Last question on this note, David, what do you think this means for his other appointees? Is this a crack in the wall? Does this show a bit of weakness that senators will
Starting point is 00:50:05 now think they can flex their muscle on their opinions on Pete Heggseth or Tulsi Gabbard or Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.? Or do you think this is sort of like, you're getting one, but you're not taking down my cabinet from Donald Trump? I, again, just from my point of view, I mean, like someone like Tulsi, obviously a lot of the senators are not going to like her history and stuff, but I don't know that there's anything there to say you can't have this cabinet member. You know, she served, you know, she's just as qualified as a lot of people that other, you know, historically the norm is that you let them go. I think that about most of his people, not RFK Jr. I'm kind of alone on this lately, but I think he's a terrible pick. He is a conspiracy theorist. He is not, his disposition is not for this job. I think a lot of senators probably, I think if he has a confirmation hearing, he's going to have to answer a lot of questions about all the crazy stuff he said. That's going to be a tough spot, I think, for him. But we'll see.
Starting point is 00:51:02 I could be wrong about that. I hope you're wrong. I disagree with you about Robert F.K. Jr. I don't intend to have a debate on RFK here now today in the time we have together. By the way, David is the writer at the Washington Examiner. He does focus on, for example, his accusation of Robert F.K. Jr. being a conspiracy theorist, Don't want that undercut, by the way, what he's about to tell us, the three biggest conspiracies of the left,
Starting point is 00:51:24 although Robert F. K. Jr. from much of his career, a man of the left. But you've got a new book out called The Rise of Blue and On, how the Democrats became a party of conspiracy theorist. I should start at the front, David. I have a, I have sort of a mixed feeling at the minute that the idea of conspiracy theory is even invoked, because the right has been the victim of so much dismissal on the ground of conspiracy theory. And many of those conspiracy theories, notably around COVID and others, have turned out to be true. But, you know, I think actually your back book jacket
Starting point is 00:52:02 does a good job of laying the groundwork of why the left is the primary, primary province of conspiracy. And I'm just going to read you a few quotes that you have on the back of the book, Blue and On. You have, now it's a vast Russian conspiracy, Hillary Clinton, quote, more we learn about the 2016 election, the more illegitimate it becomes. America deserves to know whether we have a fake president in the Oval Office, House Democratic caucus leader, Hakeem Jeffreys. And then finally, and folks, look, the survival of our planet is on the ballot. And that sounds like hyperbole, but it genuinely is. Joe Biden, 46th president of the United States, talking about the survival of our planet. David, why do you think the left became
Starting point is 00:52:50 the party of conspiracy theorists. Well, two things. Just to talk about what you just said, there's a lot of gaslighting that goes on with the term conspiracy theory, going all the way back to Hillary 1998, going on the Today Show and saying there's a vast right-wing conspiracy against her husband, you know, with all the stuff that was true about Monica Lewinsky. So they gaslight that way. And obviously, we should have an open mind to all kinds of ideas. But once they're debunked, got to move on. Why do I think the left is the, I put it this way, no one is immune from conspiracy theories and paranoia in politics. It's been that way since ancient history. The difference is that the left will take conspiracy
Starting point is 00:53:28 theories, let's say Russia, Russia collusion hoax, they'll launder it through media, they'll calibrate it for maximum plausibility, they will bring in so-called experts who will give it credibility, people we used to believe in trust in the past, they will disseminate it through institutions, of government, of higher education, of all of that. So when you have all of that against you, it's incredibly difficult to debunk it. People think that the bigger and crazier a conspiracy theory is, the easier it is to debunk. It's not true because the bigger it is, the more, you know, whenever you debunk something, they're like, oh, that's exactly what a person would say, you know, and then they build on it and build on it.
Starting point is 00:54:06 So that's what happened to the Russia collusion hoax. It is the most successful conspiracy theory of all time. it Donald Trump could not even govern for three and a half years at least of his presidency because it was enveloped by this thing and everyone on the left was basically a part of it. So I think that's the difference, more effective. It's not like, you know, on social media. Yeah. What's that? Yeah, it's not Randos on Facebook. That's the huge difference. It's not Randos on Facebook. It's not marginalized voices. It's the most powerful voices in media that are actually the ones that push these conspiracies. And we're going to go through the three.
Starting point is 00:54:40 biggest here that have been pushed from the highest of mountain tops on the left but they again i have this mixed feeling like conspiracy it's such a cudgel it's been designed to stamp down you know dissenting voices but at the same time i love this joke uh two guys two conspiracy theorists die and go to heaven have you heard this j david and they die and go to heaven they're standing at the gates of st peter and um he says before you guys enter i'm just gonna i'm gonna grant you one question anything you want to know. I'll be up front, honest, all knowing, all seeing, you get the truth. What do you want to ask me? And these two conspiracy theories look at each other and go, okay, this is it, this is it, let's do it. Okay, who killed JFK? And St. Peter looks at him and goes, Lee Harvey Oswald
Starting point is 00:55:28 from the schoolbook depository. And they look at each other and they go, this thing is bigger than we thought. You know, it goes all the way to heaven. There's no end. to satisfying a conspiracy theorist questions or answers. That's great. Yeah, exactly right. Exactly right. All right. Let's go through what you think are the three biggest conspiracies spread by the left. First, number one, what do you think is the biggest conspiracy spread by the left? Well, I just want to quickly say, when I say conspiracy and you're right about conspiracy theories, I also am talking about paranoia, paranoia that drives your political ideals, right?
Starting point is 00:56:08 So one of the worst, the most pernicious, I think, is paranoia about race. Everything has become identitarian recently, but more than that, convincing people, a large group of people, black Americans, I think 67% of them believe that there's a systematic effort to try to stop them from voting, for instance. Now, it is easier to vote today than it ever has been. They will mail you a ballot in Korean, in any language you want. All you have to do is mail it back. It's never been this easy to vote in no place as easy to vote.
Starting point is 00:56:38 vote. But not just that. The idea that police are hunting black men. I'm not, again, I'm not saying there's never a cop who's terrible or racist. I'm saying that there was no systemic effort to kill young black men. The BLM movement was driven by a bunch of incidents. Some were racially motivated, but most of the big ones were not. Michael Brown, you know, these are, I wouldn't call them conspiracy theories. They're fake news, right? And they drove a whole movement that was adopted by giant corporations that republicans were participating in um so that that that i think is one of the one of the worst um yeah i i agree to the point of voter suppression like that's okay let's give an example of each of what you're talking about on the point of voter
Starting point is 00:57:26 suppression the best example is the new voter integrity law in georgia right passed by governor brian kimp it was described by joe biden as jim eagle jim eagle jim crow 2.0 the Major League Baseball pulled their all-star game because of this law in Georgia. I believe Coca-Cola and Delta originally suggested they were going to withhold business from the state of Georgia, or at least they wrote letters protesting it. I know for a fact that in 2020, I think it was 2.7 million people voted in Georgia. In 2024, the number is well, well over 3 million people. So more people voted.
Starting point is 00:58:03 It's easy to vote. no one is trying to suppress the vote and then i actually think it is a conspiracy dave on the police hunting down black men you take isolated incidences that are unrelated you draw an overarching narrative among them when they're un disconnected other than you know two random isolated instances in the skin colors involved and sometimes not even that you know like machia bryant was is that a white officer might have been some of these are black officers as well right so yeah um and you make everybody believes something that is not true. And yeah, it's fake news, but also I do think that's a conspiracy. You write in the book about this, which I think is pretty interesting, you write about
Starting point is 00:58:43 the Democrats of the past were the champion of marginalized groups and minorities, and by proxy then victims, but they've run out of victims. So they have to continue to invent new things, new traumas, new classes, new incidences of victimization. That's exactly right. Typically, conspiracy theories are believed by people who feel powerless, who feel like they're victims. They believe shadowy forces are, you know, have a concerted effort to steal from them or whatever it is. I'm not, you know, so what happens when you run every institution? What happens when you're running the government? Well, you have to create new classes of victims like you just mentioned. So they do that with women. They do that with, you know, all kinds of minorities. I don't think
Starting point is 00:59:27 it's working anymore. I think this election showed that that maybe the fever is broken on that. We'll see. But, you know, so this is a, how can I say it? It's like a holistic effort to scare people, basically. Minority is everything from little kids in elementary school who are given, you know, or high school or given like 16, 19 project books or whatever, you know, it starts young and it just continues through. So it's not one conspiracy. It's this current of paranoia. Yeah. And you wrote about this in the book, too. That's, this victimization pursuit is sort of this handmade tale, handmade's tail vision as well of America,
Starting point is 01:00:02 that they're, I mean, that one's right now. That's the movie they're running. That's the conspiracy they're running right now. I think women have showed up in that costume to vote. Yeah. I mean,
Starting point is 01:00:12 if you show up in that costume, something is wrong with, like you don't understand context of history. You don't understand anything. Women today in America are freer and safer than women have been anywhere in the world ever. The idea that because some people are pro-life that you have no freedoms, that you're going to be in a Christian Theocracy, which is another
Starting point is 01:00:33 kind of strand of paranoia, is insane. I mean, I talk about this in the book, but there are cynical people who spread conspiracy theories. Morning Joe, for instance, will tell you that journalists are going to be shot and round up. And then there are credulous people who leave that stuff. So the credulous people are the ones who dress up in the nun outfit and show up to vote. the cynical people just move on to meet with Donald Trump, you know, after the election. And the credulous people might pick up a gun and try to shoot Donald Trump, right? They believe that they've been stripped of their agency, that fascism is coming or whatever. Obviously, I don't want to chill speech.
Starting point is 01:01:11 You should say whatever you want, but it is what it is, right? So second biggest conspiracy theory that you've offered us here today is election denialism. And I want to start with this one because the, um, Anyone watching, and I know we often do have people from the left or not on the right who watch the Will Cain show, I see you in the comments section. By the way, you should just take a note and just share it with our audience. I see your comments coming in, like Ted Smith, who has suggested Will Cain for Attorney General. Thank you, Ted.
Starting point is 01:01:43 You know, we'll see if the call comes in. And Sean Flanagan, same thing, Will Cain for Attorney General. So I will see. We'll see. Otherwise, I'll be back here next week hosting the Will Cain Show. um i'd rather have you as anyone on the left is no head of doge doge head is i think that job is taken i think that's even out of the vague all that's left all this left is the 80 hour a week for minimum pay jobs and i don't want that one at doge uh so anyone watching from the left daves and be like
Starting point is 01:02:16 what did you guys do in 2020 election denialism da da da da da da you point out the long history of the left denying the legitimacy of elections? Yeah. I mean, think about 2000. Now I'm an older dude. I remember 2000, and I remember that every major Democrat said it had been stolen, that someone, something that happened in Florida and that the Supreme Court had stepped in and stolen it from Al Gore. But of course, there were independent recounts of Florida. In fact, in most of them, the vote total went expanded for George W. Bush, not contracted, and he won that election. 2004 came along, and everyone forgets this. Every major Democrat, I'm not joking, I laid out
Starting point is 01:03:02 in the book, claimed that something had happened in Ohio that needed investigating, that there had been illegitimacy. They undermined the veracity of election. A bunch of Democrats tried to stop the votes from being, you know, from the election, you know, going through the house. And And then to 2016, the next time they lost, no Democrat. I mean, every single Democrat was on the record with this insane theory that the president had illegally won or that the election wasn't real because he was a Russian asset. The New York Times, the Washington Post, and all these major institutions, they will all entertain any conspiracy theory you have about Republicans winning.
Starting point is 01:03:43 I'll give you a quick example. Last year, in the New York Times, there was like an 8,000 word. story from this dude who's like 80-something years old. It was around in Texas in the 80s who says that Ronald Reagan stole the 1980 election because he had made a secret deal with Iran so for them to hold the hostages until, you know, after the election. Now, right. First of all, Ronald Reagan won for many, many other reasons. It was a massive landslide. But that's a nutty conspiracy. There was no, there was no evidence, nothing to back this up. But they will entertain it like some crazy conspiracy theory site you know there's no journalistic integrity in something like that but they
Starting point is 01:04:22 will do it so anyway um yeah election denials you go back to the 80s you go back to the 80s Dave I don't know because I didn't get into this chapter of the book which I intend to blue anon the rise of blue and on but we've done it on the news like okay 2000 I believe in 04 that john carrier his surrogates did question the legitimacy of that election they didn't in 08 but they did with Stacey Abrams in Georgia, recently, recently. And I would imagine there's many, many other examples. I mean, just rhetorically, like, this is, like, I don't know that any Republican leader, even Donald Trump, I'm just trying to do a mental catalog of Donald Trump's rhetoric.
Starting point is 01:05:06 So, but any leader or mainstream media personality would go so far to say, America needs to know, deserves to know whether we have a fake president in the Oval Office, that's Hakeem Jeffries, talking about Donald Trump in 2016. I mean, even when they, yeah, even when they lose, let's say, governorship, or they'll lose whatever, they'll talk about gerrymandering. Even though they are the biggest purveyors, I mean, they have been gerrymandering forever, or they'll talk about suppression of the vote. There's always some reason why they delegitimize a victory on the right.
Starting point is 01:05:40 There are no more inclined to believe elections than anyone on, you know, on the, you know, on the left. The left and right are equally unable to deal with this. Though I would say, I think actually the left is worse, but whatever. You know, I mean, I'm just saying no one's immune. But again, New York Times runs that piece. No conservatives aren't going back, you know, and talking about other elections being stolen retroactively in revisionist histories. So, yeah, this is just more paranoia. Again, this difference is that it's laundered from the highest of mountaintops when it comes to the conspiracies on the left. Okay. And then third, We asked Dave to give us his three biggest.
Starting point is 01:06:16 He covers many, many more, by the way, in the rise of blue and on. But I asked him, give me your three biggest conspiracies perpetuated by the left, laundered and filtered through the mainstream media. And you did not hesitate, Dave, when it came to number one, your biggest conspiracy perpetuated by the left, Russian collusion. Yeah, I think Russia collusion hoax invented in an opophile laundered again through the media. and by every institution, we had congressional investigations. We had all of that. We went through all that. And it was the most effective there was, but here's a thing.
Starting point is 01:06:52 There was no reckoning for it. Adam Schiff has a better job today than he did then when he was lying about this. Journalists, no one lost their job, maybe in the beginning, one or two, but no one afterwards. They all had better jobs. Then they went on and hid the gaslit, like you were mentioning, how they do this. Joe Biden's presidency. Anyone who pointed out that he was acuity had failed him and that he couldn't, you know,
Starting point is 01:07:16 physically do it anymore were called conspiracy theorists. They hit it. And then on a dime, they just turned around and pushed the guy out and put someone else in. This is an activist media in that way. And they use conspiracy theory, disinformation, misinformation, misinformation to chill speech and to gaslight you when they themselves are engaged in spreading it and, you know, doing their best to make you believe it. Same thing they're doing now with Tulsi.
Starting point is 01:07:41 I saw someone said she's probably a Russian asset. I mean, I don't know that they can kick the habit just because they lost this election. No, we talked about that yesterday with comedian Dave Smith on the show. And he's like, it's such a malicious logical fallacy. Oh, you have some opinions that overlap with opinions of perhaps Vladimir Putin. That makes you a Russian asset. Like the leap there is gigantic. And it's defamatory in my mind.
Starting point is 01:08:06 And it needs some accountability. Yeah, from the steel dossier to the computers that were set up to, you know, by Mark Elias and all these others through professors to analyze the election to create, it truly is a conspiracy. And by the way, the Russia collusion hoax is not even a conspiracy. It's been completely unwound and certainly hasn't been laundered or revisited through the mainstream media. It is one of the biggest, what was it, four, five-year conspiracies screamed from the mountaintops of mainstream media that I don't know, before we go, I don't know where we are, Dave. does the public believe it? I don't know what polling is on public believing that Donald Trump is a Russian asset placed into the presidency by Vladimir Putin. You know, I think they stopped polling it. Like, and they did the same thing with 9-11 truth.
Starting point is 01:08:52 There was in 2006, there was a poll that showed 50% of Democrats thought George Bush knew about 9-11. Then in 2018, there was a poll that said, not that Trump had, Russians had dropped some Facebook ads, but that they had literally gotten into the machines and changed vote totals. That's what they believe. That's what the question was. and then they stop polling it. I don't think anyone polls it anymore. I assume, I think, you know, because it was a much more convincing victory this time, it's a little more difficult to get all conspiratorial, but I'm not sure it's over.
Starting point is 01:09:20 Everyone thinks, you know, it's done and they won't do it anymore. I don't know. I expect something to happen. I mean, I just, it's their nature. I get my hair cut on the Upper West Side of New York, Dave. I sat in the barber's chair this just a week ago, and obviously the primary client tell on the Upper West Side is the left. And I asked him how it's going. Like how, how, how's everybody feeling? He said it's mass depression. And then he began to tell me about, and I've
Starting point is 01:09:46 forgotten them, but the conspiracies of why Donald Trump won. It has to do with Elon Musk, you know, and Joe Rogan and what did Elon Musk do to ensure that Donald Trump won. But don't put it past them. They didn't just see the results of this and go, dang, we got blown out. Maybe we should readjust our game plan. No, there's some conspiracies floating up there about 2024 as well. There's so much laid out here. It's really smart. Dave's a really smart guy. I've known Dave for a long time. Our paths crossed various places like National Review.
Starting point is 01:10:17 And he's written a great book here about the rise of Blue Anon, how Democrats became the Party of Conspiracy Theirists. It's out now. By the way, he's got a quote on the front, a great, great writer, Rush Limbaugh, quote about David Harsani. So there you go right there, the rise of Bluon. Go pick it up wherever you get your books. Dave, thanks very much for joining us today on the Will Cain Show.
Starting point is 01:10:38 Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Okay, we'll talk soon, I hope. There he goes, Dave Arsani. Now, I did just get a text from my son saying, are you going to be Attorney General? No indication, as of yet. I will tell you, everyone needs to understand. I'm going squirrel hunting this weekend.
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