Will Cain Country - Democrats Go Red: NYC Embraces Socialist Agenda Of Mamdani (ft. Abby Hornacek & Nick Bare)

Episode Date: June 25, 2025

Story #1: Will keeps you up to date on the Iranian/Israel conflict as the mainstream media tries to undermine the success of President Donald Trump's bombing campaign despite the Administration's claims otherwise. Plus, As Zohran Mamdani wins the Democrat Party nomination for Mayor of New York City, just what will politics look like in the future of America for both the Left and Right? Story #2: Host of ‘PARK’d,' Abby Hornacek is back on FOX Nation exploring America’s most beautiful National Parks. She sits down with Will to discuss which Park she thinks is most underrated and shares her top 5 National Parks after having visited over 40 of the 63 in our great country. Story #3: Author of ‘GO ONE MORE,' Nick Bare joins Will to discuss how to build your ideal life using intentionality and consistently good effort. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to Will Cain Country on YouTube here: Watch Will Cain Country! Follow Will on X: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for $5.5 plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery. One, Zoran Mamdani, a Democrat socialist who wants to defund the police, create free grocery stores, and everybody rides the bus for free, has won the Democrat primary for mayor in New York City. But what does that mean as we see these radicals

take over the left about the future for Democrats? And as an offshoot, we're always an oppositional political system in the United States. So what does it mean for the right? What does it mean for the future of MAGA? Two, Abby Hornacek joins us to rank her top. Top five national parks. And three, Nick Bear, on intentionality and brick by brick, how you build your life of success.

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conversation with the author for brand new book, Not Sick of Winning, Michael Malice. You want to have fun with that conversation? Ask yourself who comes off of Mount Rushmore. Who gets recarved if Rushmore's can only be four and never five. And I personally vote for expanding Rushmore to five. Something that makes sense about five. Every time you say, hey, who's the Mount Rushmore of NFL quarterbacks? You intuitively want to go to five.

You don't want to stop it four. So why do we stop at four? Go to five. on Mount Rushmore. A lot of controversy. Online. What are you talking about? Online for that.

Oh, yeah. A lot of controversy when we post those clips. People saying that it's too early. We're only one year and less than one year into a second term. Or you're an insane person for even suggesting that,

that kind of thing. I'm an insane person. I don't know. Some people are just saying. I'm just relaying to you. Here. If you're listening in your car radio if you have your earbuds in if you're watching on youtube or facebook i want you to look

directly into my eyes i want you look directly into my eyes right now and this is what i will tell you i know how this media business works i've been doing it for a long time i know how to go viral i know how to say something controversial i know the point of provoking an audience i know the point in accumulating an audience i've never been very good at it if you'll notice my social medias aren't exactly exploding, they're not vibrant, they're not constantly viral. No, we produce content that is center around the idea of authenticity. I say what I believe. And if I say something that appears to be maximalist or insane or intended for virality, look into my eyes. I promise you, I mean it. Donald Trump belongs on Mount Rushmore. And I'm here to tell you

if you think that not the case, you're probably somewhere stuck in the loop that he has created. Granted, he has redefined every aspect of our political landscape. He has made everything from left to right about Donald Trump, only in my mind increasing the consequentialism of this presidency. There's, of course, substance as well. Tarots, free trade, middle class, blue collar, elitism, dovishness on foreign policy, hawkishness on foreign policy, interventionism, isolationism. On every level, he has redefined the way we think about politics. Now, if you think that it's a negative,

that he's redefined it in some way that's malicious, well, that's where I think you might be stuck in a loop, but I can't begrudge you your opinion. You feel the way you feel, but know that you are downstream from Donald Trump. We're all downstream from the singular vision of one man, Donald Trump. and in my mind when this is over it won't be seen as malicious it won't be seen as nefarious it won't be seen as a negative it will be seen not only as one of the most consequential presidencies in over a half a century but it will be seen as one of the most important presidencies in the history of america he belongs on mount rushmore as evidence of that i continue to give you the incredible events unfolding in Israel and Iran, wherein a matter of a couple of hours, he not only took out

Iran's nuclear capabilities, but also negotiated peace, at least momentary, but still holding peace between Israel and Iran. Yesterday, reporting emerged, notably from New York Times and CNN, that our bombing campaign in Iran was less successful than led to believe. that in fact it only set back Iran's nuclear enrichment program by a few months. It's pretty interesting that these leaks, this information, these reports came from those inside the Defense Intelligence Agency. How would one know at this point? How would one be able to ascertain exactly the extent of our bombing campaign in Iran? We could look at satellite imagery.

We might have human intelligence, most likely that, you know, human intelligence coming from either Iranians or Mossad, Israeli Mossad. But at this point, we simply don't have a way of knowing. And it makes you wonder about the motivations and the veracity of any leak to CNN or the New York Times. Defense Secretary Pete Hegset took on this story, took on that narrative, took on those motivations yesterday in the Netherlands. There's a reason the president calls out fake news for what it is. These pilots, these refuelers, these fighters, these air defenders, the skill and the courage it took to go into enemy territory flying 36 hours on behalf of the American people in the world to take out a nuclear program is beyond what anyone in this audience can fathom. And then the instinct, the instinct of CNN, the instinct of the New York Times is to try to find a way to spin it for their own political reasons to try to hurt President Trump.

or our country. So if you want to make an assessment of what happened at Fordo, you better get a big shovel and go really deep because Iran's nuclear program is obliterated. And somebody, somewhere is trying to leak something to say, oh, with low confidence, we think maybe it's moderate. Those that dropped the bombs precisely in the right place know exactly what happened when that exploded. And you know who else knows? Iran. that if you want to know the truth, you're going to have to get a big shovel to dig underneath Fordo. I think it is interesting to get into the details for just one moment. There is several levels to analyze this. There is uranium, enriched uranium, reportedly to 60% in Iran.

There are centrifuges, which further enriched that uranium from 60% to 90%. There are reactors. And then there's the process of turning enriched uranium into the metallic substance needed to create a weapon to marshal a bomb. Each one of these critical infrastructures are important to the process of a nuclear Iran. The report never suggested the entire program had been obliterated, but the key features of the program had been obliterated. And current reporting suggests we bottlenecked several of those moments, the metallic process of turning it into a weapon. It's granted, we still don't know exactly where 60% enriched uranium exists within Iran. How much of it is buried underneath Fordo or Ishfahan or Natanz?

and what's left of the centrifuges that would increase it from 60% to 90%. But both Donald Trump and Secretary of Defense Pete Heggseth maintain they have been set back, and as well I heard from General David Petraeus, with some level of confidence, years in their program. Secretary of State Marco Rubio also this morning took on the idea of these leakers. Watch. They are way behind where they were just seven days ago. Now anything in the world can be rebuilt, but now we know where it is. If they try to rebuild it, we'll have options there as well.

But all this leakers stuff, these leakers are professional stabbers. That's what they are. They go out and they read this stuff and then they tell you what it says against the law, but they characterize it for you in a way that's absolutely false. There's no way Iran comes to the table of somehow nothing had happened. This was complete and total obliteration. They're in bad shape. They are way behind today compared to where they were just seven days ago because of what the president did.

If you're listening on Spotify or Apple or on terrestrial radio, it is interesting to watch the face of President Donald Trump as he listens to Pete Heggseth or Marco Rubio. I think he can only be described as a face of pride. He smiles. He listens. He beams with pride as they speak. And then he takes to the microphone himself. And he said, by the way, if Iran does begin the process of rebuilding nukes, guess what? Guess what we'll do?

You might have seen it over this past weekend. Listen. If the Iranians do rebuild, would the United States, would the United States strike again? Sure. But I'm not going to have to worry about that. It's gone for years, years. Very tough to rebuild because the whole thing is collapsed. In other words, inside, it's all collapsed.

Nobody can get in to see it because it's collapsed. You can't go in to see a room that has, you know, 10 million tons of rock in it. And the tunnels are totally collapsed. Well, they've already looked at the tunnels that this was an unbelievable hit. And we'll hit them again if they rebuild their nukes. Taking you back to that motivation and that confidence, the report itself, which New York Times and CNN ran with was on its face and self-admittedly a very low confidence. So why is it the blaring headline? Why is it the blaring headline from CNN and the New York Times?

Because it is an attack on Donald Trump. And if that attack requires you at times to accept Iranian intelligence or push Iranian propaganda or wave Iranian flags in the streets of New York, or to argue against incredible Rushmoreian levels of accomplishment when it comes to peace, well, then that tells you all you need to know about those that are ready to run with that narrative. Here again is President Trump on CNN and MSNBC. Genius pilots and genius people in the military, and they're not being given credit for it because we have scum that's in this group, and not all your VR, you have some great reporters, but you have scum, CNN is scum, MSDNC is scum, the New York Times is scum, they're bad people, they're sick, and what they've done is they're trying to make this unbelievable victory into something less. Now, even they admit that it was hit very hard, okay? But it wasn't. It was hit brutally. There you go. Careful where you get your information. Don't listen to cheerleaders or pom-pom waivers either.

And I would hope that that's not the category where I have fallen into. I think I'm objective. I'm not going viral. I'm not trying to be a maximalist. I'm telling you my authentic and honest opinion. You have seen remarkable events over the last 72 hours. Events on their own, which demand the Nobel Peace. prize.

Events when combined with the repositioning of our economy, the focus on the blue collar, on the middle class, and the total redefinition of political parties is absolutely and totally Rush Morian. Speaking of the repositioning of political parties, I have a deep conversation I want to get into with you with here. And the boys on the staff and the will issue with story number one. Zoran Mamadi, a Democrat socialist, has just won the Democrat nomination for mayor of New York City. What does New York City have to do with you, Buffalo, you, Dallas, you, the state of Washington.

What does it have to do with everyone listening here today? Well, it shows a constant, progressive, and consistent march on the left to go further left. Who is Zohran Mamadi? Well, as I mentioned, he is a self-proclaimed Democrat socialist. His proposals in the past have included defunding the police in New York City, creating free grocery stores, government-owned grocery stores, positively Soviet, free bus rides, among many, many other things, such as arresting Benjamin Netanyahu should he set foot in New York City. It is a huge, not just lurch, but leap further left for a city that is in the past,

elected a guy who was an avowed communist in his past, Bill de Blasio. And I think the interesting conversation is what this means about the future, not just of the left, but of the right. First, let's take a look for a moment at who voted for Zoran Mamadi. This is from the New York Times. This is spreading down the voting blocks, the demos. Let's focus on the neighborhoods first. What you'll see, first of all, in his race against Andrew Cuomo, Cuomo won the Upper West Side and the Upper East side. Mamadi won other boroughs and neighborhoods by great margins. Bedstide plus 43% for Mahmadi.

Crown Heights plus 25%. Mamadi won Astoria, Williamsburg, Park Slope. Why? What does that mean? Well, you can guess why he won or rather why he lost the Upper West Side and the Upper East Side. That's a strong Jewish vote against a Muslim who's taken very, very antagonistic stances against Israel. but who did he win if he didn't win the jewish vote on the upper west side who did he win in new york city well here's who he won he won white voters he lost black voters he had a small margin of

victory with Hispanic voters he won asian voters a massive by the way category that includes not just people from east asian descent but Pakistan India Asia goes all the way, includes the Arabian countries. So it's hard to know exactly who that encompasses when you classify it as Asian. But what's really interesting, not just beyond the demos, is the income levels. This I find absolutely fascinating. I told you he lost with black voters, barely one with Latino voters. Well, you know who he lost with?

Poor voters. Or those making under $50,000 a year in New York City. Take a look at this. Cuomo won that contingency from 50 to 100,000, or even above 100,000, it goes to Mamdani. He won wealthy, white voters in neighborhoods like Williamsburg and Park Slope. He won, in short, tinfoil, the Brooklyn brunch crew. Now, you've told us all on our calls this morning, that's not true. He didn't win, literally, your friends, in the Brooklyn brunch crew.

But what we know that he won is educated, wealthy, white women who continue to drive this party further and further left. As someone said, they won't be satisfied until they completely destroy whatever remnants remain of Western civilization. And whether or not that is Brandon Johnson in Chicago or this lady in Los Angeles, a vice mayor in Los Angeles County or state, who called on the 18th Street Gangs. the cholos literally she called on the gangsters to stand up against ice you have continued and mounting evidence of a further and further leftward leap for democrats now the likes of james carver will tell you no no no no there's moderates winning in new jersey and this place know the future of the democratic party but i'm afraid to tell you those are becoming exceptions

and not the rules the party is increasingly defined by jasmine crockett the party is increasingly defined by AOC. Now, you may take umbrage with that. Oh, those are Fox News clips. That's who you play. No. Zoran Mamadi just won the primary for Democrat in New York City. So, here's what I think.

If you think about the future political landscape of America, I think the left is becoming increasingly irrelevant. Meaning, I don't think it's going to play. In a two-party system, you can't go this way and expect to get a governing majority, not on a national level. maybe in San Francisco. And then you see the fallout. They're seeing it now in Chicago with the Chicago Tribune's editorial board riding to New Yorker saying,

hey, don't go down this road. We did. Look at our city. But I don't think you're going to get a governing majority in America, making them increasingly irrelevant. Now, I remember, and I want to say this up front,

I remember MSNBC in 2012 after Barack Obama's overwhelming win against Mitt Romney saying, the future of the Republican Party is over. It's a governing minority. It is southern white. men and nothing more and they are relegated to permanent minority status and that blew up in their face

spectacularly so i have some humility about this diagnosis for the future of democrats but back to the consequential president donald trump he is the great question we just saw a massive divide on the right within maga over foreign policy israel iran intervention isolationism we just saw a massive divide and the only thing in my mind holding together this coalition is the power and the personality of one man, Donald Trump. I don't know what it looks like afterwards. Is J.D. Vance capable of keeping it all together? Be real. I don't know.

I like J.D. Vance, but we cannot overlook the power of Donald Trump. But that same power is also what animates the left. So with no Donald Trump, do they come back to their senses? Do they retreat from insanity? Do they stop lurching and leaping further left? I don't know. This is why you're so consequential. Maybe they do, maybe they don't.

But let's for a moment presume, before I bring you guys in, tinfoil, before I bring you in two days, let's for a moment presume they can't. You've gone too far. And any rational lefty or even any coalition of MAGA that you could currently look at and go, wow, maybe in the future they could be called Democrats. Say MAGA split. We're still a two-party system and we have been for 150 years. So we're not going to be a European Parliament. Even if we factionalize off, and I do think as I talked to Michael Malice about, factions are the biggest, maybe possibility slash probability and problem for the future of America.

It's what the founders worried about. Read the Federalist Papers. They were concerned, not about parties, but about factions. They weren't concerned about ideology. They were concerned about factions, groups of people voting in their own self-interest, cohesively identifying through some small thing that brings them together. Obviously, the most obvious historical pattern is race. And we hope that's not the future of America.

But factions in some form or fashion look to be a possibility, if not a probability. Still, we have a two-party system and always have, at least the last 150 years. We don't have a parliament. So it's designed and built for either or. One verse two, black versus white, A verse B. That's how it's built. So what is the future of Democrats? is it some faction of the of the maga movement that goes i don't like where this is headed i'm not

here i'm dovish i'm isolationist i go to the left or i go to democrats even if it's not that much of a step to the left i don't know wokeism is a problem so for the left not to be permanent irrelevance they'd have to step away from things like insane wokeness right and that doesn't seem to be possible. My point is, if it's just Donald Trump that they're a reaction to, there's a point at which you've gone too far and there's no coming back into your insanity. And if that's the case, it's over for Democrats. And your new, your future Democrat Party will be some factionalization, some split among

the right. I don't know. Maybe when Donald Trump is not center stage, the left comes back to its senses. But I think it's pretty fascinating to think about the future, and I'm pretty certain it doesn't look a lot like the past. Go ahead, two days. No, like I told you before, with the Brooklyn brunch crew, the Democrat friends I have, they are kind of getting away from the woke side of things and going a little more towards the moderate middle. And the only underlying thing, like you said, is Donald Trump. They just can't get over it.

So no matter what, there's no common ground between Republicans and Democrats when that's the case. They just can't see past it. They won't see past it. Okay, so take that element out of the equation. Take out Donald Trump. They're moderate. My concern. They're middle of the road.

My concern for the Brooklyn brunch crew is they are consensus driven. They are acceptability driven. They are Overton window driven. And then over the last five years, that acceptability included BLM. That acceptability included tearing down statues. That acceptability included transgenderism. That acceptability included COVID fearmongering. That's not acceptable.

today. And so they shift with that Overton window. But if you have a Zohan Mamradi making it acceptable once again, I'm afraid the Brooklyn brunch crew is untethered from reason. Is it Donald Trump? Is that the only reason

they're untethered? It is a good argument and it's not one I'm willing to dismiss. When you wake up one day and you are against peace, when you wake up one day and you're waving an Iranian flag, you've got to look in mirror and go, man, my hate is really driving me into some bad places. My hatred of Donald Trump is driven me into some really ugly places. I'm concerned for your friends, for the Brooklyn

brunch group, for the left. Sam. That this ship doesn't find its way back to harbor. Go ahead, tinfoil. Oh, I just don't know if the Democrat Party can be claimed. Um, any remnant group because they've consolidated so much power in order to try to stay away from the Bernie Sanders types. I think that you're looking, we've talked about it a long time with Ross Pro. I think you're looking at potentially a third party. We're not going to get fractionalized like Europe, but I think that you're going to start seeing a rise in that kind of alternative at some point. You know, and everybody says that. And by the way, I think there's a real deep conversation post-Donald Trump, you do have to consider the future of the MAGA movement,

but the third-party way has been something talked about for so long, and it's just our system is not built that way. Our system is built for either or A or B, one versus two. And I don't think one and two, Republicans and Democrats look anything in the future like they looked like in the past. Welcome New York City to Zoran Mamdani. Well, the top five national parks. Let's break it down with the host of Parked on Fox Nation, Abby Hornacek, next on Will Cain Country. This is Jimmy Phala, inviting you to join me for Fox Across America, where we'll discuss every single one of the Democrats' dumb ideas. Just kidding, it's only a three-hour show.

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extravaganza is running on the Fox News channel and I hear it during the commercial breaks at times here on Will King Country. I thought I might share a little bit from the Willisher right here. Here's Angry Mama Bear over on X. She tweets to Lawrence Jones. What did those Yankees do to our boy Will Kane

in his new commercial for his shows? He wears a Stetson with dress shoes and makes him do a weird tip with his ball cap? Oh, hell no. And then Danielle Jones on X says, I listen to the TV show on Sirius XM and download the radio show as a podcast. I travel for work. I just caught the commercial on the DVR.

I was going to call it cheesy, but the eye sparkle won me over. Keep having fun. We connect with your authenticity. Thank you, Daniel. Boys, I mean, we do have to at some point address this. We're going to have to break this thing down. I think we're going to have to play the commercial one man, two hats. Heart of the matter from a heart of the air on the show.

and break it down. I think we have to. Okay. I think we have to. I think we owe it to our audience. I think that it can be like a therapy session in a way, you know. We'll see what our next guest has to say about it. Well, our next guest came down to Texas last week, and she was wearing cowboy boots.

And she suggested to me for her show Ride to Work on Fox Nation that she wanted to ride a horse into work. And I don't really know. I don't know how serious that that that suggestion was or not. We're going to have to deal. We're going to have to deal with the Texas image from the New York perspective. Because sooner or later, you Fox people are going to turn me into howdy duty. I'm going to have to be careful here. You know, I live in a metropolis, Abby.

I live in Dallas. Hold on, Will. I got to cut you off. I've got to cut you off because I'm not coming from a New York perspective. I'm coming from an Arizona perspective. We do ride horses in Arizona. And you ride horses in Texas. Don't pretend.

I know you're in Dallas. Not to work. I know. But I thought we could have fun. I didn't think you actually rode a horse to work. But I think you should. Abby Hornacek, the host of Fox Nation, is here with us on Wilcane Country. When I went to college in California, I went to Pepperdine.

I remember sitting at the lunch table and people genuinely asking me, hey, do you ride a horse to school? like what is it like I don't think they were Abby I don't think they were I think this like Texas how many pairs I saw you in your cowboy boots how many pairs of cowboy boots do you have I have I have four to five pairs of cowboy boots oh nice yes yes I do love and I and it is not a costume like you have said before it is real I wear my cowboy boots when I go horseback riding when I'm on a ranch when I go to the rodeos things like that but I'm surprised that did you have frosted tips in college because you played water polo stop it stop it i'm

surprised they you maybe you wore a cowboy hat to cover the frosted tips who knows uh my culture is not your costume um i've been wanting to say that and i get to really say that um i didn't have frosted tips but i will in all self-awareness and honesty with you and the audience tell you that every time i've moved outside of texas whether or not that be california montana or new york my texas gets turned up a little bit. You know, it gets turned up. You think so, as it should? I mean, I think that's also cliche.

Yeah, I think we could turn up the Texas here in New York a little bit after the election. I remember going to this bar in Malibu, California, wearing wranglers. Back then, they made some loose fit wranglers. I still do. But this was at the front end of the loose fit wranglers. And, you know, I had some of those. And I had, like, bright, like, I didn't have a brush popper on, but it was a starched, bold, striped shirt. and I remember getting made fun of at a bar. I do.

Remember somebody saying, I didn't know Ranglers made baggy jeans. That'll stick with you. I got it. All right, Abby Hornacek is here. She is the host of Parked on Fox Nation. I told Abby, we did this the other day on social media. I don't know that it's been posted, but I did ask Abby. First of all, she rides horses.

She's a woman of adventure, and she does this as part of her series. She's done some credible places. And shockingly, I still, I think this is a true statement. The National Parks of America are a, if not hidden, underappreciated gym of this country, gyms which I have had the privilege and pleasure to go see many of them, but not like you, Abby. I love it. I love going to the National Parks. And you've seen, have you seen them all? You haven't seen them all. How many have you seen? Uh, you know what? I'm, it's funny you ask this question because this morning I was thinking about it because I haven't,

I don't have an official count, but I believe it's around 45, 46. Really? Uh, we have 63, so we've got a ways to go, which, you know, I'm happy that I haven't seen them all because that means we can keep hopefully doing parks. But, you know, I think the way that you describe their national parks is so accurate. I know that people know about the parks, obviously. They always say, oh, I want to go out in nature. But our country has such varied nature and topography. And I think this season in particular really showcases the biodiversity of what we have. You can go to a lush rainforest in the Pacific Northwest at Olympic National Park. You could go go to the bad lands of South Dakota and and you could travel to the most one of the most

renowned national parks in our country in dry tortugas where you can only access it by access it by boat or seaplane so we have so many things we can do and I just I don't know how people haven't been it's incredible that is okay um of the what is it 20 some odd left to do that you have not yet visited what do you think's the biggest one like what's left on the checklist that you'd go, I can't believe I haven't been to this one yet. Can you name that? Have you been to Big Bend in Texas?

We have not been to Big Bend. That is a big one, pun intended, yes, that's a huge one that we have not been to. And I think Texas has so much to offer. And I would like to see it. So it's a little hard to get to. So I think we'll do that.

We're starting to plan season nine and it might make its way into season nine. So you'll have to watch season eight first and then potentially Big Ben. But I'm trying to think of, you know, there are some, in Alaska. We've done Denali, which I really wanted to hit in Alaska and Kinai Fjords National Park, both in Alaska. But there are six there. So some of them are super, super remote.

It's hard to travel with a TV show. But I'm trying to think, we've got to hit the Hawaii one still. It's a little far from New York. So we're trying to get behind that one. But we've hit a ton of them, like the big ones, Yosemite, Zion, all the parks. in Utah, which I know you've traveled around with your family as well. So the one's on the West Coast and like the Southwest really are so different than you get on the East Coast because you have all this red rock and it's been a road. It's hard to imagine that all these desert landscapes were once covered by water.

Right. So do you get into that, Abby? You get into a lot of the history and the story. So like, for example, you do Big Bend. first of all you've got to like you've got to ride the canyons of the Rio Grande you got to ride a boat through the canyons a raft through the hope that the water is high enough and do that I think you get into also like I don't know how you avoid the you know Mexican drug cartel stuff Poncho Villa a lot has happened in these areas where there with the overlap of Mexico and the United States historically beyond simply the the natural features of it but the stories that are integrated into so many of these natural parks I find fascinating. So, for example, to your point, when I went from ESPN to Fox, I told you the story, Abby, I had, I believe it was about a two-month lag between my last day at ESPN and my first day at Fox, and it was during COVID. And we wanted to take some time as a family. And we were living in Tennessee, close to the Smoky Mountains and in the Smoky Mountains during COVID. And then so we drove. And we drove throughout the South. We did like Civil War

battlefields like Vicks. We stopped at the Bonnie and Clyde Museum in Louisiana, came on over to Texas, and it went straight up, and we did Rushmore. We went to Montana, but we didn't do Glacier, and I regret that. You were at Mount Rushmore? No, because I just didn't, it was, you know, there was a bit of a schedule to stay on everything. I regret it because it's just a little east of Rushmore. But you know what?

You can watch it in season eight of Parked. Yes. And by the way, this is a, yes, we're not going to forget to promote this entire thing is about watching Parks on Fox Nation. that the badlands are really cool. I mean, really cool and otherworldly. And that's the thing in the end. Everything is otherworldly.

But what I was getting at is the otherworldliness of Utah is what blew me away. I knew the famous ones. I'd been to Yellowstone several times. I've never been to Yosemite, but I've read and seen a lot about Yosemite. You know the famous ones. But then I get to Utah. I had never given credit to it. And I actually loved the history of, like, Butch Cassidy and the Outlaw game.

that head out in these places in southern Utah. I don't know. I love the history and the stories that are part of these parks as well. Well, that's what I do highlight that a lot. I love talking about the geological history, but also the human history, because the way that in a place like Big Bend or Badlands, that people had to learn how to survive when they're voyaging over

and trying to survive. I remember we did some in Arizona, and I, obviously, you've got Grand Canyon, Petrified Forest National Park, and when we were doing Petrified Forest, I learned that the Native Americans used to use cacti. There's a thing called the jumping cactus. I don't know if you have those in Texas, but basically if you get close enough to it, it sort of shoots its like a little ball of spikes at you, and it can get stuck in your skin.

Happen to my dad once. But the Native Americans learned that they could take fire and burn off the spikes on the cactus. They cut it open. It has as much vitamin C as an orange. So they would eat it. And then as a weapon for anyone coming in, they would use catapults and they would throw them at anybody

who was trying to come into their camps. So I love to hear how people make use of the land. And we were Crater Lake National Park. We were kayaking, night kayaking. And we were learning that, you know, the beavers, how they build the dam, right, with sticks and mud. early people, when they were settling the land, they observed the animals and saw what resources

they were using. And then they started implementing that in their own lives. So we learn from nature and then we have to adapt to it. And now it's, you know, people make their home in all sorts of places. And I just think that's so fascinating. Absolutely. Okay, I've asked Abby today give us her top five national parks so far. But I do want to ask you this, because one of my favorite things about that trip was the discovery part of this I'm glad that I went to Bryce Canyon National Park in Utah

it wasn't on my list I didn't know much about it and then I loved it right so like in your mind of the 43 40 some odd parks that you've already been to like what do you feel like is the most underappreciated or if you're talking to somebody and everybody wants to talk about Yellowstone

and Yosemite you're like yeah but this one right here this is a huge value by like nobody goes or people don't go enough and don't know how cool this particular part is i'm going to point to one in utah which i feel like is i shouldn't do because all of them are so spectacular but i have to say capital reef national park um season four of parked we did a road trip and rented an RV and my parents came along which was really fun we hit a bunch of the ones in arizona Utah and Colorado Capitol Reef was everyone's favorite of all of them because we hadn't known much about it. It's, you know, the least visited National Park in Utah, but talk about otherworldly.

You feel like you're on Mars. We hiked with llamas because llamas talking about the human history were used a lot to carry goods across this rugged terrain. And there's a thing called the water pocket fold, which is basically a fold in the earth. So the kind of ecosystems that you get around that is just something that you don't see across other places in the country. And yeah, you have Zion, Bryce Canyon, like you mentioned, spectacular. You can see how nature has eroded away and really is an architect. And that's what I really, I think each national park offers something different because the way time has passed and shaped these places. You could go to a national park five years ago.

it's going to look completely different five years from now because it's, you know, we have that nature as an architect. So I've got to say Capitol Reef. And I will tell you, just from my own personal trips, like I did two different things, which I think add to it. One at Zion and Yellowstone, I stayed at a place. It's a business called Under Canvas where you stay in the really fancy. I've stayed in, yeah, both of those.

Glamping. It's glamping. It is. But it's awesome. Like, it's a nice, you know, walled tent with beds and heaters, and you're going to have a cocktail looking out over it, spectacular landscaping. But the other thing I like to do is I actually like the human part of the national parks as well, meaning I like Old Faithful Lodge at Yellowstone.

You walk in, you feel like Teddy Roosevelt built this thing. You know, I like going to Grand Canyon and staying on the rim. And I can't remember the name of the famous old hotel right there on the rim. of Grand Canyon, but I love those very, they were all probably built about the same time, which feels like 1930s, maybe these work projects, administration projects, but I love going into those old hotels that not every national park has them, but those that do, I think that's a cool part of the experience. Yeah, you think about the type of people who have been through of all generations. And I think about this in Yosemite, there's an overlook. You said you

haven't been to Yosemite, right? No. There is an overlook called Glacier Point, and it's of all the national parks, it's one of the best overlooks you can go to. And what I find fascinating is back in the day, to get up there, you couldn't just drive your car. They would use a horse-drawn carriage. And I'm thinking about these poor horses who are trying to lug these people up there. And the fact that we have such accessibility now, and, you know, people from, like John Muir walks those steps and all the iconic. natureists and people like that. But then you meet folks. Like, if you go to a national park, I always say it's the happiest people. You talk about Democrats, Republicans, so much in today's

world, doesn't matter when you're at the parks, because everyone's just having a good time, they're enjoying nature. You don't know what people's political views are. And, I mean, minus some things like Yosemite. I know it puts up some stuff. But when you're there, you don't feel that effect. We have people come up to us, like, who have maybe watched the show or something. And there was a woman who had told us that she was celebrating her foot-aversary. And I was like, what is that? And she goes, I had cancer in my foot. And they said that they had to amputate me from my knee down. And I, by the grace of God, was able to beat the cancer. They didn't have to amputate my leg. And now I go to a new national park every year to celebrate the fact that I can walk.

And I just, that story really hit me because, you know, we take so much for granted. And the fact that that we can take in this just gorgeous nature and see, you know, what God really has done with our country. It's a good reminder to be grateful. All right. Top five national parks now with Abby. We'll go through them fairly quickly, Abby, but I want you to tell us in the course of you giving us your top five from five to one,

what season of parked also your list can be found. So if you can remember. That's, I don't know if I can remember. Eight seasons of park. We'll see if you can. But go ahead. Let's start with what comes in at number five. Oh, gosh. You know, I just want to caveat this really quickly that my list constantly changes, depending on what time of the year, what's family-friendly, things like that. So I'll start with- The parks don't have feelings. They do, actually. They tell me all the time. Number five, I'm going to, I'm going to say, oh, gosh, I'm going to put Capital Reef there, which I know we already talked about.

So because it's so underrated, I love that one. Are you going to give your top five, or you just want me to go through my top? I want you to go through, but I'm going to call them out. So number five, Capitol Reef, which suggests the top four is going to be pretty good because that was her most underappreciated park for one of the favorites. So I can't wait to hear. Can't wait to hear. Now, number four.

I'm going to go with Glacier National Park because I am an animal lover, and you can see all sorts of wildlife here. And it's really interesting how glaciers have carved out the big, long valleys of glacier so a lot of really great activities too um in montana one of my great regrets lived in montana for a year never went to glacier huge mistake yes all right glacier comes in at number four number three also quick lake macdonald best place to skip rocks and i love skipping rocks so um yet number three is going to be yosemite which you know people get mad at me that i didn't put this as number one but i think you know so many people go to yosemite and there's a reason why we did

the half dome hike, which is, it was about 19 miles and then you get to the top and there's those cables. It's one of the most dangerous hikes in the country, but it is so worth it because you can feel what it's like to be on, you know, this big rock face that has been shaped over time. So the granite domes, the cascading waterfalls, every single overlook at Yosemite is top notch. And by the way, I think that these are all active, physical as you have been when you're doing the show. Got a hike. You got a raft. You got to see these parks beyond just the places where you get out of the car.

I think that's when you really take it all in. All right. What's number two? Zion. Got to go with Zion. If I could put all the Utah parks on here, I would. You know, you got the sheer verticality of these sandstone cliffs. And, of course, you've heard of the narrows, an incredible hike.

But you just, you feel so small when you're there because it's, everything is red and it's gorgeous. and Angel's landing offers. I don't know, you know, every year it erodes away. So if you're going to go, go now. But I... And it's interesting you bring that up because everybody thinks of the Narrows when they think of Zion.

And I hiked the Narrows, and it's long. The Narrows is a long hike up. You hike up the river. So you're in water and you've got to wear waiters during the hike and that kind of thing. And you're on River Rock. And there are times when it's really shallow. There's times when it's up to your hip, honestly.

And it can flood. But you are sheer, verticality cliffs on both sides but you love zion beyond the narrows i do because there's so much that it has to offer people think of that but uh angels landing and and so many other hikes that are kind of hidden gems too it's one of those ones where yeah you go to the overlooks but just exploring the national park you find ones that aren't on the map and and i love parks like that because the overlooks get quite crowded but that's a place that you can see good views from anywhere all right here we go drumbeat and number one according to parks abbey hornet i am going to go with

kenai fiords national park in alaska and i have to again caveat because this list constantly changes i had a personal just spectacular um experience at keeney fiords that's why i'm going to put it as number one alaska is just so different from anything that i've seen you have 38 glaciers Active glaciers still descending from the mountaintops in Kenai fjords. And there's really one glacier that is accessible exit glacier. So this is why I have to tell people you have to go with an adventure company. But what we did was we put on crampons. We hiked on to exit glacier.

And then they lowered us into a crevasse. And we got to ice pick our way out. And then there's another glacier called Bear Glacier. You go to Bear Glacier Lagoon and you can actually kayak where there are iceberg. And I just learned things there that I didn't know before. Like, this is probably dumb of me. I didn't realize you can't get right next to an iceberg if it's in the water because at any point it can capsize. And of course, we've all seen that graphic of like the amount of ice that's under the water.

Then, and then you only see it like, I want to say 15% of the iceberg. So if it capsizes, it's just going to take you right down underneath. So I would say that is so different than anything I've experienced being from Arizona, living, you know, in New York and Chicago and all over the place. So I would have to put Keenai Fjords as number one. Great list. Great list. No Yellowstone, no Grand Canyon. You know, I was thinking about the fact I left Yellowstone off.

I don't want to get canceled. So I'm going to put that as an honorable mention. But it is. It's, you know what, Yellowstone is up there. But I think it's because, like, we see it so often that it's not on my list because, I don't know, but obviously old faithful and it, it smells like sulfur. But it's a testament to how cool all these other parks actually are, I think. The Yellowstone didn't make your top five.

And it's also a testament to you being able to see at least some of this cathartically through Abby and parked on Fox Nation. Badlands and many more on season eight. But there's eight seasons there, 43 parks. Highlighted a lot of them right there. You should go check it out at Fox Nation. Always great to hang with you. Thanks, Abby. Thanks for having me, Will.

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Thank you for taking the quiz. Wilcane Country. Stream live at foxnews.com, Fox News, YouTube, Fox News, Facebook, Spotify, and Apple. We began today's conversation talking about the future of the left and the future of the right. Zoran Mamdani, winning the Democrat primary for mayor in New York City. will the left come back to it since his post Donald Trump? Will it follow people like Mamdani into not just further left, but into increasing irrelevance? Well, the Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer just posted on X.

I have known Zoran Mamdani since we worked together to provide debt relief for thousands of beleaguered taxi drivers and fought to stop a fracked gas plant in Astoria. He ran an impressive campaign that connected with New Yorkers about affordability, fairness, an opportunity. He just endorsed Zoran Mamdani for mayor in New York. That's about as establishment as it gets. Chuck Schumer, Senate Minority Leader, endorsing the lurch, the leap. Not just to the left, but in my mind when it comes to a national coalition into further irrelevance. Go one more. Find the clarity to make intentional, life-changing choices. That's the name of a brand new book, written by Nick Baer.

He's on YouTube. He's got a huge following on YouTube. And he talks to us today about this new book and how you can brick-by-bick build success. What's up, Nick? Well, what's going on? Thanks for having me. You bet, man.

Glad to have you. Let's talk a little bit about your book. Go one more. So I've been on a pretty good role here, Nick, getting to the gym. Vanity is a hell of a motivator. I got to be shirtless on national television come August to do the New York City Navy SEAL swim.

so I got to get in shape. And my buddy who I'm training with is always like, go one more, man, go one more. Like complete failure, complete failure. You can squeeze one more out. And so when I was thinking about and reading about your book, you take that whole idea, that one little thing, and you talk about it how it applies to every single thing that we're doing, every single habit, every single step towards success.

One more, one more. That's how you build success. So it's these small incremental decisions. we make that I believe compounded over time and for me I want to share the story of go one more because I think it's very meaningful and the book that I wrote go on more is about the evolution of those three simple words where I used to believe go one more was just an action and now I believe that is that is part of what go on more is but go on more is much greater than that it's actually an outcome that we can achieve by making very intentional life changing

choices. It's not just doing more of everything all the time for any reason. It's doing the right things at the right time for the right reasons that's going to shift the trajectory of your life. But the foundation and founding story of going more. I mean, I have a tattooed my arm. There's thousands of other people who have it tattooed on their arms and bodies as well now. I was training for my first marathon 2018. And before that, I was in the army. I ran a lot when I was in the Army. When I got out of the military, I literally said I will never run a day in my life again. And then a year later, I'm signed up for a marathon. And since then, I've done ultra marathons, 100 mile races, Iron Man's. But I was training for my first marathon. I had an 18 mile run on the schedule for that day,

which was the longest I would have ever run up until that point. I was 10 miles into this run. I quit on that run. I started walking back to the apartment that my wife and I were running at the time. And as I'm walking back to the house, the apartment, I'm thinking to myself, if I quit on this run, what else will I quit on in my life? Will I quit on my business? Will I quit on my family? Will I quit on my team? And through some of that self-reflection, I walked back to the trail, living in Austin, Texas at the time. So there's this beautiful Lady Bird Lake, Town Lake Loop around Austin, Texas.

And I went back to the trail. I finished the 18-mile run. one additional mile. I ran 19 miles that day, came back to the house, wrote one more under the bill of my hat, took a photo of it, posted on social media, and it went nuts. It went wild. All these other people started writing it on the bill of their hat, taking a photo of it, posting it. And that then evolved into what is now going more. I realized I struck a nerve in people. And that has become the foundation of my business but also the mission of my life and I've applied it to every aspect so that's why I say it's much more than just an action it's an outcome that I think we can all

achieve if we do more of the right things what do you mean you looked into with this book each and every one of those words individually go one more tell me tell me a little bit about that I mean to your point it's a phrase it's not just an action it's a it's a I'm don't want to diminish it to the concept of a mantra but tell me a little more about what you mean by you're you're looking into it piece by piece i mean go on more it's it's very simple uh to understand but i have this chapter in the book that talks about the difference between simple and easy right and i used to think that simple and easy were synonyms and i've come to realize that they're not.

I was just reading a section on the way here, actually, in the book, and Albert Einstein has these five ascending levels of intelligence, and the highest level of intelligence is simple. So go one more itself. They are three simple individual words that we can all understand. I mean, if you tell someone to go one more, it is very easy to take those words and put them into action. But just because they are simple does not.

mean it is easy to show up every single day and to apply that to every part of your life to keep going one more i mean the power in that is is absolutely remarkable and i don't use the word remarkable often because i believe and i've heard this from set goading before an incredible entrepreneur author and leader the difference between very good and remarkable is extreme when you apply go on more very simply in that compounds over time it produces remarkable results in your life and i have been one to experience those remarkable results for myself what are those results what have you experienced i mean if i think back to my childhood i grew up in central pennsylvania uh dad's side of the family were dairy farmers mom side of the family a lot of them

of the military. My mom was in education, special education specifically. The ceiling for what I thought I could achieve in my life was so limited based off of just my environment. And then I realized that one of my strengths and powers is just being extremely consistent. And that over time has led me to building the business that I run now. I mean, when I started my business in 2012, took a $20,000 loan out with a military associated bank, USAA. I told my dad we were going to make a million dollars that first year. He said, Nick, if it was that easy, everyone would do it. And year one, we did $20,000 in revenue.

Year two, we did $20,000 from revenue. Year three, we did $20,000 in revenue. It took us five years to struggle to get to seven figures. Then just getting to seven figures was an absolutely brutal awakening of realizing and learning the hard. of cash flow for a product-based business, but now getting that business to, you know, where we're at today, profitable, about 45 full-time employees. I've applied to consistency and lessons of going more to not only my business, but my

physical accomplishments, building a family, leading a team and family, happily married. I have an almost three-year-old daughter, one-year-old son, and it's just as my life has grown and you could argue become more complicated and responsibilities have increased applying the simple application of Go One More has, I believe, guided me into success that I believe is success. How did you realize that one of your superpowers was consistency? Honestly, I never was at a moment where I said, I'm going to be a very consistent person. I think that was part of what I learned growing up from both sides of my family.

I think that was just built into my my bloodline and DNA. But it was probably 2018 where one of my employees who still works with us today, great friend Jordan Utter, he recognized the fact that of all the things I'm working towards, he believes my greatest, where he believed back then my greatest characteristic and skill was just my ability to be extremely consistent. And my running coach, Jeff Cunningham, he has this quote that I absolutely love. And I quoted him in the book. And he says, it's better to be consistently good than occasionally great.

And if you look at the most successful people, they're not the ones that are going to throw the Hail Mary pass every single day or knock it out of the park with every business. and still they go after, but day in and day out, they are applying this ruthlessly consistent application to every part of their life. Being consistently good as opposed to occasionally great will lead you to where I believe you want to be. It might take much longer. It's not going to be a week, a month, a year from now.

But I mean, if I look at my business, I am now 13 years into building my brand. and there was never or not very oftenly the occasionally great but it's 13 years of being very consistently good okay I got a lot of things I want to fall up on did you play sports growing up I did but I was never a stud athlete I played sports I played baseball I played ice hockey but I was never the stud but yeah did did you see these characteristics in yourself

as a young athlete like you were consistent you were very good or good not occasionally great but it also paid off I'm curious if these habits began to build at all through that or even if they didn't build through that

did they illustrate themselves at all in that young formative experience in life I want to say with with sports or when I was younger you wouldn't be able to look at me and say Nick was extremely consistent in anything,

where X, Y, and Z. But when I was younger, I had a lot of passions that were driven by curiosity. I'd say I was entrepreneurial since I was younger. And then I went to college. I went to college on an Army ROTC scholarship.

I was studying nutrition at the Indiana University of Pennsylvania. And I believe that's where the consistency really started to build. It was my exposure to a military environment, it was my true passion and interest in training, in exercise, and in performance. And then when I started my business when I was in college, that's where I was so passionate

about what I was doing, that consistency wasn't something I had to wake up and choose to do. It was just something that I did. We'll be right back on Will Kane Country. I'm Janice Dean. Join me every Sunday as I focus on stories of hope and people who are truly rays of sunshine in their community and across the world. Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com. It is time to take the quiz. It's five questions in less than five minutes.

We ask people on the streets of New York City to play along. Let's see how you do. Take the quiz every day at the quiz.com. Then come back here to see how you did. Thank you for taking the quiz. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. Yeah, I'm wondering if that consistency had to be attached to something that you are passionate about, you know, and once you cared about it, it was easier to establish that consistency. You know, it's this thing where, and I struggle with it myself, so like, you know, people say, should you choose your passions in life?

Should you choose what you're good at, which are not often the same thing, what you're passionate about what you're good at are not the same things? And in the path to success, right? Is life about hitting home runs or is it about racking up singles? and I've gone back and forth on that because I'll be honest with you, Nick, I'm motivated by the home run. Like I wake up motivated. As I've gotten older,

I've come to appreciate, you know, compound interest and concepts like being, you know, Tony Gwynn, which was hitting singles and singles and singles until you're in the Hall of Fame consistently to your point, learning to value the small victories. But I just can't figure out, even with myself yet, if I need the concept of the home run to continue to grind out the singles, I need to see that there is a big moment, a payoff, or is it you just wake up one day and you're like,

the singles added up, man, the singles added up to something, as you pointed out, remarkable. Well, I think you put yourself in a position to hit the home runs when as the, if we're putting this in the baseball context right now, the athlete who shows up every day and doesn't miss batting practice and is showing up on time, putting in the reps, taking care of their training, the recovery, they might be very consistently hitting singles, but when they're put in the position with the perfect pitch in the right scenario, they are primed to hit that home run. As opposed to the person who strikes out nine out of ten times hits the one home run occasionally, I'd rather someone who's getting successful singles hits a home run,

as opposed to the person who's striking out and getting home runs. Yeah. You know, the other part of this is that I think that we as people are conditioned to be able to accept punishment, we're able to accept pain, and we're even able to at times be patient if we can see progression. That was a lot of peas. That was a really interesting alliteration I just strung together. But the point is, if you see progress, you can continue going, right?

And what I like about the story you told us about your business is that the first five years, I think you rattled off at least three to five years. It was 20,000, 20,000, after telling your dad, it would be a million in the first year. Now, if you were getting 20,000, then 70,000, then 150, you could continue to tell yourself, I'm on the right path, I'm progressing, I can keep struggling, I can keep fighting. There's got to be during that, let's call it stagnant period, right, of 2020, 2020, when it's like, I don't know, man, should I cut bait and try something else, right? Is the consistency leading towards remarkable?

And there's a few things there. One, it's how are you measuring success along the way? Like, subjectively and objectively, if revenue at that time was the only thing I was using to measure success, I would have been losing the entire time. But at that same time, I was measuring success in other ways. You know, what was I doing in the background of building the brand and setting the business up for the future to ensure that when we were ready for growth,

we could go and achieve it? One of my favorite books is by Tim Grover. It's called Winning. Tim Grover was the trainer for Kobe. and Michael Jordan, he talks about building confidence over time. And he says to build confidence, you have to go after this first win. So your first win in life is going to be challenging.

And it doesn't matter what the first win is. Maybe that first win is graduating high school or graduating college or your first big promotion or you sell your first business. It's all relative. To get that first win, it requires a lot of effort. And after you get that first win, feels really good. You build some confidence. And then after that, you probably set a larger goal

and that larger goal requires more work, more effort. But when you finally achieve it, which will probably come from with some failures, accompanied by failures, you build more and more confidence. So if I look at my life, I'm sure you can do the same and others as well. We've built all of this confidence over decades of time because we've set goals. We've made a plan. We went to accomplish them, might have missed, eventually got it, built confidence. Next goal, went after it, built confidence. And you did this over years and years and years. The amount of confidence you can build over decades is absolutely amazing. Right. If you're able to accomplish these habits and able to accomplish this consistency, which is a self-described superpower,

there is something else out there. And it's like, it's easy the easy analogy is is poker is do you chase bad hands right and um do you continue to put good money on top of bad money that's another thing people talk about when it comes to investments right i think i have a similar mindset to you not the same similar in some ways of i don't like quitting and i am as it turns out capable of grinding um but i have at times wondered hey maybe you should reevaluate everything. You know what I mean? Maybe you should step back. Are you putting good money on top of bad? Do you think that that has been something you have to balance? How do you balance that, that drive? You even write in here identity, right? Grit is an identity. I get that. It is. But I think

there are times, and I don't have a good example. Everyone has to ask it of their own personal life where it's like, you know, you have turned not quitting, the proverbial you, not you, Nick, but you have turned quitting into a religious proposition and you have to really ask yourself if you can continue to chase something that your whole grit is pushing you towards you know there's another angle this and also make sure you want what it produces i've always asked myself that as well because i'm that way make sure you want the success this produces because it does produce a certain kind of success do you want that payoff i just wonder sometimes about the self-evaluation prospect process while you're in this grind.

I mean, I think it's, you can't have this conversation without asking those questions. Because if you're working towards something that you actually don't want or you're not interested in anymore and you're doing it because you believe you have to be committed to it because you said you were going to do it, it's okay to stop doing that. There's this thing I talk about in the book and I quote Lewis Howells, it's called identity foreclosure. The example is say when you were younger and you decided you want to be a doctor and that's what you told everyone you were going to go to do. And then you went through all the schooling and you spent 10 to 12 years in the schooling and you finally become a doctor and you realize

when it's time to become a doctor, I actually don't want to do this anymore. But you feel obligated to because you told everyone you were going to and you committed to it, I think it would be foolish to spend the next 20 to 30 years of your life being a doctor if you don't. don't want to be a doctor in that moment decide to quit and go do something else you know there's been times where I've stopped doing what I was working towards and I thought I had to have this grand explanation of why and the reality was I just don't feel like it anymore I'm not passionate or interested in it and if you're doing something you're not passionate or interested in it's okay in certain situations and circumstances to pivot and go towards something else I'm not saying

every single time you decide I don't want to do this anymore you just quit and stop there is a time in place to continue pushing through the obstacles and resistance but in certain situations there has to be a level of awareness of I'm not going to pursue this anymore because it's not worth my time money or effort and that's why you bring up early in the book you talked about here intentionality yeah give some thought to what it is you're about to put grit into um also by the way just as we're kind of struggling through this, or I am, there is the, the, by the way, does anyone ever tell, who's your doppelganger? I'm just sitting here looking at you talking to you, and I got it right there.

I mean, it's a dead ringer, and so you're going to say it 100%. Who do people tell you you look like? No one, I never get that question. Come on, Nick. Never, never. Who do you think I look like? Two days. Can you see it?

I don't see it yet. I don't see it yet. Well, he's in person with you. He's wearing... No, it's an actor. And it's in, he's in person with you. He's not in person with me and he's wearing this hat. So maybe it's different without the hat.

Dude looks like Ryan Gosling. I'm not trying to like, you know, like... I see it. You do see it? Same face shape, you're right. Yeah. Wow, I appreciate that. That's a compliment.

Yeah, I know. It's such a huge compliment that I don't want to say it out loud. It makes me extremely suspect. But you got it. Man, you look like... uncomfortable I'm going to rip this clip and use it He looks like

A dude looks like gossling I don't know if you look that way Without the hat, never take it off See what happens for you You said you're married so The hat's always one It's always one Okay

Intentionality Paralysis by analysis That's another thing Like oh he's stuck in the state Of what it is I am going to do I'm going to devote myself I'm going to grind I'm going to have this grit

But I got to figure it out first because I you know I'm going to pour all this into it so intentionally I find and I'm guilty this is as much therapy as it is talking about people out there we I'm sure a lot of people can identify been stuck on analysis so we we had this um first of all I think that action will will be the cure of all things uh procrastination but we had this speaker come in and and talk to our team, our athletes, a few months ago, nearly a year ago. His name is Donald Miller, author, entrepreneur, leader. And he talked about these three components to maintaining momentum and acting on a decision.

And the first is you have to have curiosity. So the first step is there's something that you are curious about. Let's put it in context of a marathon. I'm curious and interested to know if I can run 26.2 miles. And then there is, the second stage is education. You go out, you educate yourself of, here's the shoes I need, here's a training plan I need, here's how I use nutrition to fuel my training. I have 16 weeks until this race here is from point A to point P, what I need to do to run 26.2 miles.

And then that third component is commitment. That is the action of saying, I'm going to do this. Here's the plan. Now I'm going to go execute. If you apply those three ingredients to everything that you do or want to do, it is a step-by-step process of, I'm curious, I'm interested, now I need to go learn, and now I need to commit. That commitment in itself will eliminate the fear of any procrastination, and you will make

progress you will maintain momentum because you've just followed those three steps yeah and i've found that action produces clarity and you know you can be stuck on analysis for a long time and then you start doing just do do do and then you refine you pivot you have revelations about what it is you want to do much easier through the process of action than through sitting there with analysis you're going to find out in mile five a lot more about when you want to run a marathon than you will by never starting well i think most people i mean that's the best part about the marathon is by if you run your first marathon mile 16 17 18 is a lot of regret of signing up for that marathon but you learn from that race yeah you know it's like that's part of the process

and i believe that most people and this has never been one of my problems so i'm i'm grateful over this, but a lot of people want to perfect something before moving on to the next. And sometimes it's better to just get the job done and then move on and keep making progress. So progress over perfection. Well, we talked a lot about Nick in his career, but it's also part of this, like he said, not this action, but this guiding force in life. Go One More, which he's written about, find the clarity to make intentional life-changing choices and Go One More by Nick Bear.

check them out on YouTube. I've really enjoyed the conversation, Nick. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Thank you. Okay, there he goes. Check out that book. Go One More by Nick Bear. All right, that's going to do it for us today here on Will Kane Country. We appreciate you hanging out with us today. If you liked it, we hope you leave a comment, YouTube, Facebook. We hope you subscribe. Apple, Spotify. See you again next time. Listen to ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcasts and Amazon Prime members. You can listen to this show, ad-free on the Amazon music app.

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