Will Cain Country - Dems MELTDOWN Over Trump’s Iran Ceasefire—Win or “TACO”? (ft. Michele Tafoya & Ari Fleischer)

Episode Date: April 8, 2026

U.S. Candidate for Senate in Minnesota Michele Tafoya joins Will to discuss the democratic blowback to President Donald Trump’s Iran ceasefire deal, also sharing her thoughts on the nuances of America’s immigration issues, Minnesota’s fraud problem, and the allegations surrounding NFL Reporter Dianna Russini and New England Patriots Head Coach Mike Vrabel.Plus, Fox News Contributor and Former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer helps recap the Iranian ceasefire. Will it hold? Does a long term deal get reached? Is regime change on the table? Ari also unpacks how the Iran conflict has altered political norms and what it means for the future of NATO as Western European countries have failed to uphold their commitments.Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠⁠)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Did the left invoke the 25th Amendment? Did we nuke the annihilation of the civilization of Iran? Did we win? With Fox News contributor and former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer and U.S. Senate candidate from Minnesota, Michelle Tofoyer. It is Wilcane Country. Streaming live at the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page. We're here for you, Spotify, Apple.

Hours before the deadline for the end of the civilization, President Donald Trump and the leaders of Iran through intermediaries in Pakistan negotiate a temporary two-week ceasefire during that period. The Strait of Hormuz will be open, and the two parties will work on a deal that looks insurmountable. The 10-point plan offered by Iran is on its face absurd. continue nuclear enrichment U.S. troops out of the region, Iranian control of the Strait of Hormuz. The 15-point plan required by President Donald Trump, the antithesis of those, and more. How do you come to something that survives the two-week ceasefire and promotes peace and stability across the world? We're going to be discussing that shortly with Fox News contributor, former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer. But it was a rough day for the roller coaster schizophrenics inflicted with TDS.

It was a rough day this spanned invocations of the 25th Amendment to proclamations of Taco. The 25th Amendment, of course, is a mechanism by which you can declare the President of the United States unfit for office. That was the line. That was the narrative. That was the conversation leading up to. President Trump's deadline for Iran, wherein he promised the end of a civilization. Congressman Sri Tanedar, who seems to be calling for impeachment on a bi-weekly basis, posted Trump just threatened to slaughter 100 million people.

It's clear he's unfit to be president. The 25th Amendment must be invoked. If Vance, Ruby, and others continue to be spineless cowards, Congress must do everything possible to stop Trump and this war. He was joined by Congresswoman Ilan Omar, who said, this is not okay. Invoke the 25th Amendment. Impeach removed. The unhinged lunatic must be removed from office. But it was a roller coaster, as I mentioned, for the schizophrenic TDS.

It was, by the end of the day, one wherein that he had gone from, a madman set to slaughter 100 million to a chicken who stopped his bombing. I'll give you Jimmy Kimmel. So all day to day, everyone, most notably the people of Iran were wondering if their civilization was going to die tonight. Well, good news. It didn't. It was the Taco Tuesday of all Taco Tuesdays. I thought the president decided not to drop the Tahrouca. Drop the bomb, you're a madman. Don't drop the bomb. You're a chicken.

And the headlines followed. Iran crows that Trump's taco shows who's really. in charge. A day on the brink with Iran ended with a taco and gave grave constitutional questions. And Trump just tacoed away American credibility as he backs down on Iran threats. Don't bomb. Bomb. Madman.

Chicken. There is zero seriousness within TDS. The absurdity is laid before your eyes on an hourly basis. The contradictions and the insanity are hard to keep up with it in some way that will play to their advantage. If you can't keep up with the insanity, you can't fully catalog. All that you have to know is no matter whether it's peace or war, strategy or insanity. The only guiding light for most of these people is, in fact, constant. hatred of Donald Trump. Michelle Tofoy is running for Senate from the great state of Minnesota. She

is former sideline reporter for NBC and she joins us now here on Will King Country. Hi, Michelle. Howdy. How you doing? Oh, that howdy just kind of slipped out, Will. I feel, you know, I'm sitting here in Minnesota, but I'm talking to you so I had to say, howdy, Will. Pandering. Pandering to what you see as a host who might speak in howdy terms. I've never really, I don't think, in any sense of seriousness, use the term, howdy, not in my life. Okay. That's, of course. I apologize.

Good morning, Will. Good afternoon. Good morning. When I went to school in California, I was asked if I rode a horse to school. You, by the way, are from Manhattan Beach. And I did not fully realize that about you because, of course, I associate you with Minnesota. But you're from Manhattan Beach. So let me do the same thing.

You know, people in California asked me if I rode a horse to school growing up in Texas. Growing up in Manhattan Beach, were you around like Dogtown and the Z-boys? Were you in the surf skate culture of the 1980s Manhattan Beach? I was not. I was definitely in the beach culture, but I was not in the surf and skate culture. I wasn't quite coordinated enough to do that, Will, but I sure envied those who were. I grew up in Manhattan Beach before it was a well. well-known place, you know. It was much smaller. It was very much off the beaten path, and

it was a great place to grow up. I mean, I can only imagine. I've seen all the documentaries. I don't know if you even know what I'm referencing, the Dogtown and Z-Boys, the guys that ultimately became the amazing skateboarders, like, of the 1980s and sort of the place where they invented skateboarding as a thing that took off in America in the 70s and 80s. And I love that. I was around the beach boys. Yeah, it's fancy now. Right around the block from us, a couple streets away from us, the beach boys manager had his office. And we used to try to lurk around there to see if any of the beach boys were going to go in there. That was a big point of pride for those of us in the beach cities. Oh, wow. Beach boys, see if you can get a good look or a date with Brian Wilson. That might have been a roller coaster. As has this roller coaster been for the left when it comes to Iran. Here, I'll play for you, Michelle, the way. Aaron Burnett of CNN characterized the ceasefire with Iran. There will be some who will call it, you know, Taco.

Trump always chickens out, which is making way too light of it, but it is also a truth, which is that he makes giant threats that he does not follow through on. In this case, Michelle, the threat was something they were concerned would be the annihilation of 100 million people, and now he's held to a standard of not living up to his promise to annihilate a civilization. The word taco has been repeated quite a bit. It almost seems as though everyone had their marching orders to use that term, Will. The threats, the language, the tweets, the truths that the president posts are not necessarily for the audience that these people think they are for.

They're for an international audience. They're for the mullahs. They're for various people. And I was also asked about this earlier this morning on a different, on a local radio show. Look, they freaked out about his language, and then they said he caved. His language brought about this, you know, this, hey, we want to talk. Now, look, I don't trust the Iranian leadership, if you want to call it that, as far as I can throw them.

There's a lot to hold your breath over still in this thing. But anyone who thinks that this president was going to annihilate all of Iran, I think is fooling. themselves, but they loved to use it in order to talk about 25th Amendment and all those things and how crazy he is. The man knows how to negotiate and we'll see where this one goes. Look, I kind of wish, I kind of was curious to see how far they would have gone last night. Listen, I've got friends in Minnesota from Iran. A number of Iranians came here after the revolution 47 years ago. And they are, they want this thing. to end fully. They want the job done. They are happy with what this president is doing. And so,

look, for 47 years now, this regime has been taking out Americans, unprovoked, putting our kids in Arlington and Walter Reed. And for 47 years now, presidents of the United States have made threats, have tried to assuage, have sent cash, have tried to negotiate, and nothing has worked. I'm old enough to remember when Jen Saki, the press secretary under Biden, said that Iran was growing ever closer to having a nuclear weapon. What happened to those statements? All of a sudden, now they're just wrong and we shouldn't be doing anything? I'm unclear on the hypocrisy here. I'm afraid your friends in Minnesota, Iranians might not want to hold their breath because I don't know that any ceasefire or permanent peace deal will include free and fair elections in a Democratic Iran. We're going to get into the

details of those negotiations a little bit later here with Ari Fleischer. But the 25th Amendment concept that the president is unfit for office, Michelle, is based upon the post that he made that by 8 p.m. last night, he would end the civilization of Iran. Here is the 25th Amendment invocations that we talked about, Representative Melanie Stansbury, just because the president announces he's agreed to a two-week ceasefire. Moments before he threatened to commit war crimes does not mean he is suddenly fit to serve. Hashtag 25th Amendment. Meanwhile, Bill Crystal, formerly of the weekly standard, Neocon magazine, posted The Mother of All Tacos.

Bill Crystal is a fascinating experiment in human psychology. The interesting thing about this to me is Selena Zito, once famously said, that the left makes a constant mistake or a willful ignorant act in taking Donald Trump literally but not seriously. So whatever the words are that come out of his mouth, they hold him to the exact definitional standards of those words, but not really taking serious what he might actually mean. But in this case, they couldn't even in my mind, Michelle, they couldn't even really take him literally because ending a civilization does not mean killing 92 million people. It does not mean nuking Iran.

And my favorite example of this, hypocrisy and proving my point, is I know nobody watches MS now, formerly MSNBC, but it's my job to tell you what they're saying. Laurence O'Donnell spent Monday night saying a bunch of funny things, you know, that when Pete Hegseth says we leave no man behind, that it's not gender inclusive. Oh, dear God. No man or woman behind. I seem to remember Hux Sass saying. He said it with a straight face. You know, the president said we leave no American behind, by the way, just to clear that one up. Go ahead.

Well, I think he did say no man behind as well. But, I mean, I think it's implied, you know, when Neil Armstrong, you know, stepped onto the moon, if all the moon skeptics will forgive me for one moment. He said, one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. No one really thought, well, what about the women? You know, it's because man means something more than simply male. But, um, Lawrence, Donald said that Donald Trump had already ended the civilization in America. He'd already done that.

And so we need to worry about him ending another civilization. And I got to thinking, well, there's 300 some odd million of us still alive in America. So if he ended our civilization, maybe civilization means something more than genocide. You know, civilization is a stage in human society and development. And if you end that, which I don't think he has in America, I think he's preserved it. But if you end that in Iran, that doesn't mean genocide. Right. Right. I thought there was a terrific piece in the Wall Street Journal this morning by Matthew Hennessy about, you know, mean tweets or harsh tweets are not war crimes.

Threatening to do something is not a war crime. It's a tactic. And so he writes this great article about how if you could just take some deep breaths and stay with me on this argument, you will see that, you know, again, words are words. Actions are something else. we put an awful lot of power in these words. And again, I would argue they were not for certain audiences and they were for others. And I've heard other people saying worrying about, oh, how's the rest of the world going to view us? Well, ultimately, what's, I'm looking for results here. I do want to see some massive change in Iran and in our relationship and in the scope of the Middle East. And if we see that, and by the way, the Abraham Accords have laid the groundwork for that. those were achieved under the president in his first term.

If we see that, then those results will speak much louder than any tweet could. Meanwhile, Michelle, this is a, I've got a host, honestly, of really awful stories of things that are happening in America. And I, you know, it's one of those things that when I think about, and you've been in the content business, it's such a downer. and you're like, do people want to talk about this? Do they want to hear about this? Do they even want to know? But I think we must know. And there's three crime stories that are really, really at the forefront of my attention today.

One is this terrible story out of, I believe it was in Texas, a FedEx driver, abducted, a nine-year-old girl, got her into the back of his FedEx truck. There's horrible images. You can see if her standing there all innocent-faced as he just drives away. And he ultimately murders her. You know, I'm not sure the death penalty is even good enough for this guy. I've seen people on social media, and it's hard for me not to emotionally agree, like torture, public torture. Yeah. Just, yeah. For this kind of human being. That's one, Michelle.

Yeah. You know, I'm so distracted by the fact that my dog is trying to get in the office, but that I'll just say this. That story is horrific. It's every parent's nightmare. It's the death penalty is not enough for this. I can't use the words even on a podcast for this monster, this creature. It is sick. It is, we can't tolerate this stuff. And it seems to me that we have tolerated more and more smaller crimes in America. And then even here in Minnesota, we've seen murderers let out of prison after a year. What are we saying?

And so the things just seem to be getting worse along those lines, along the kinds of crimes. along the kinds of crimes that we are seeing in this would have supposedly the most civilized country in the world. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with Senate candidate from Minnesota, Michelle Tofoya, on Will Kane Country. This episode is brought to you by Tellus Online Security. Oh, tax season is the worst. You mean hack season?

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Conditions apply. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with candidate for Senate, former NFL sideline reporter Michelle Tofoya. What kind of dog is walking into your office trying to co-host here? He's trying to, I'm going to, it's a, come here, Jersey. It's a mini Labradoodle, and he thinks he wants. He wants in the office, then he doesn't want in the office. So I just let him in, sorry.

Oh, yeah, let him in. He can sit up on the table next to you. That would be great. He's in. A mini Labradoodle. Named? Yes. Named.

Jersey, four years old. We needed a hypoallergenic dog, which is why we went with a doodle. Okay, okay, named Jersey. Is that for New Jersey? Is that for like a jersey in the NFL? It was just a name I threw out, and both of my kids agreed on it. It was the first one they agreed on. on. So we just said, that's it. We're sticking with it.

All right. Kids always have bad taste, by the way, when it comes to naming conventions. They're always going to end up with something like jet or some just cool sounding noun. And I'm always like, I think you should pick the most random, out of fashion human name. Like, I would love a dog named Lewis because I think it's hilarious when you're at the dog park or out in public. And you're like, Lewis, come here. And everybody looks over and like, Like, who's he yelling at? Scott. Get over here, Lewis.

Sit. Yeah, no, those are good. A lot of people name their dogs Kevin lately after a certain animated character. But, you know, a jersey it is. Sorry if it sucks. You know what's great about Scott is, yeah, I mean, Lewis, even when you hear that, because your brain will say a little bit like, well, that's kind of odd. You don't meet a lot of Lewis's.

But if somebody is yelling for Scott or Mark to come. It sounds really funny. Would you please sit down, Scott? Everybody's over there like, who is he talking to? Scott, get over here. Yeah, I know. Okay, hard turn again, because there's these other two stories. And one is out of Missouri, where a 15-year-old boy was duped into believing that he was going to meet a girl,

and he was murdered. And the reports are that he begged for his life. I just don't want to die. to murderers that were 18 years old and also were, I believe, illegal immigrants. And then another story of a Haitian migrant that came in under the Biden administration. And he looks like he just randomly attacks this lady walking out a convenience store at a gas station with a hammer. And it's on video and just brutally ends her life. And these two have another, beyond simply our tolerance of criminals or our reluctance for harsh punishment,

these two have another tie that binds, Michelle, and that is, like, what is, and it's a story that, obviously, we've seen play out at different levels in Minnesota, but what is our tolerance for crimes committed by illegal aliens? And I don't care about macro stats on how much they commit crime compared to, you know, Native born citizens. I mean, it's like, why would you add more gasoline on the fire? What's the point? If we've already got to fire, why import gasoline? Well said. It's a, it's the perfect analogy. very disturbed by people that want to protect criminals. And I don't understand it. I truly don't understand it. I'm perplexed by judges that are sympathetic toward criminals over the victims. I don't get it. It doesn't make sense to me. When it comes to the immigration portion of this, look, a country has borders, and we have them for a reason. And as citizens of this country, We are protected by a government that we choose and we give consent to protecting us and protecting our natural rights. One of those main rights, as we know, is the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I think the most important job of any government, local or federal, is to protect its citizens and their natural rights.

And what we do when we allow criminals inside our borders and, in fact, welcome them, we are now, risking the lives of other Americans who are here as citizens of this country under this Constitution. Just because someone comes here illegally, to me, that does not imply that they are allowed to do whatever they want, particularly when it comes to hurting people. To me, again, it's very simple. We are a country. We have a constitution. The Constitution was designed to protect the natural rights of our citizens, the first one being life. And so when we allow others to come in and we do not punish or do not deport or do not handle this crime in a way that is consistent with our values, as they've been written in the declaration and then the Constitution, we're out of,

we're out of sorts here. Something's wrong. And it's a problem. And to me, it needs to be fixed. And it's a massive problem, the whole entire immigration system. And I think Congress has kind of been dragging their feet on this because it's a really good issue to fundraise over, Will, let's be honest. Michelle, you're running for Senate. Where would you stand on the debate going on right now within the Republican Party as several Republican congressmen and women have talked about trying to push what they call the Dignity Act? I believe it also has a Spanish name as well, and Mike Lawler and others, Maria Salazar, are pushing it forward. They're insisting that it is not amnesty, but it does provide a pathway to citizenship. Where would you

stand on something like the Dignity Act? I'm going to say I need to see all the specifics, because just the idea of a bill can be really good, but then you can slide in a specific that I would not agree with. I will say this. Immigration is a very nuanced problem. I've had people come to me, Will, and say, what's your number? I'm like, what do you mean? Well, how many have to leave and how many do you let in? And I said, I don't think that's a number that I want to set.

And they're like, no, it needs to be a zero-sum game. You kick some out and you don't let any in. And it's like, hold on, hold on. This is such a more nuanced issue. I've talked to farmers here in Minnesota who use seasonal workers, employ seasonal workers that are some of the best, workers they've ever had. If we can make that fair for these seasonal workers and appropriate in the terms of what does that entail for these workers that come here to work, I think that's

worth looking at. We need to look at the people who have been here for years and years and years and decide, are they people that we want to stay here? Do we give them full citizenship? Or do we say, you know, there's a different level of citizenship for different kinds of people. do they get to vote? Do you pay taxes? I think anyone who lives here as a person who's living in our country needs to be a taxpayer. But, you know, so there are a lot of categories to this. But one thing that we're clearly not very good at doing is vetting people. And I think during the four years of the Biden administration, things were so bad. There was no way to handle the volume of people that came into the country, whether it was the northern or southern border or however they

got here. And the volume was so massive that to do any kind of serious vetting was next to impossible. And you see it too with these two, the niece and niece's daughters of, you know, the Iranian terrorist who was murdered or taken out, assassinated a few years ago. And they're living in L.A. and they're living large. They're leaving the complete inverse life of a woman in Tehran or anywhere else in Iran. They're not living the values of the country that they claim they love, which is Iran, and they hate America, and they are here and they're living life, and they asked for amnesty, and yet they've been going back and forth between the United States and Iran. How did that get past us? How is that an acceptable citizen to have here?

No, we welcomed it in is the answer to that. We gave student visas. We gave refugee status. We are not hawkish on immigration. There have been improvements under the Trump administration's self deportations are up. Net migration is down. There have been incredible improvements under the Trump administration. But this Dignity Act, I would suggest as you look into it. The hard part is to ever answer this question. When did you come in? Because it proposes if you've been here for over five years and doesn't apply to the Biden administration's open borer era. But you never know. That's the point of being illegal. How long have you been here? We don't know. Because you've been here illegally. We don't know. They don't know unless there's a record of it. And like you say,

it's impossible to know. And, you know, this was done something like. this was done once before in the 1980s under Ronald Reagan, and he did suggest it's one of his biggest regrets. Many point to it being the moment that California actually turned blue. So I would gently guide you towards skepticism on something that once again would open a door we've seen open before. It's not a zero-sum game on immigration. It is a very tough barrier to immigration that only serves one thing. Do you – is it in service of America first? Are these issues that you find that people are interested in Minnesota?

This and fraud, and they are tied together. Is this resonating in Minnesota? I mean, it certainly does nationally. But we do look up there to state that always votes blue and go, do you give a damn in Minnesota? I know. It's a question that I ask whenever I meet with people, which is every single day. And it's not just about immigration, but it's the fraud, I think, here, that really sort of shown a light on some of the bad immigration practices that Minnesota has implemented and being a magnet state. It's a lot of the reason that Tim Walls has had to step

down from running for a third term. He saw the writing on the wall, right? And people are angry. People are angry. But again, I would suggest to you, we saw what happened here with a lot of our citizens here in Minnesota, in the Twin Cities in particular, trying to protect even criminals who were here illegally. So I'm confused by that. I'm perplexed by that. And I would say probably the majority of Minnesotans are angry over the fraud more so than anything else. We've all been stolen from here, Will. And money that was supposed to go for good went for terrible, went to criminals. So everyone is plenty angry about that.

When they look at their paychecks or they look at any kind of tax form and they see how much they've paid in taxes, and they ask themselves, have they even fixed the potholes in my neighborhood? Or did instead someone get a Rolex watch out of the deal? You know, how are schools working out? Good. Not so good. So they are starting, I think, really to turn the page on this and understand they were robbed. They know it.

And they're ticked off. Well, good. I mean, I have people who aren't Minnesota saying, when is there ever going to be any kind of accountability? They want to see somebody go to jail. And sometimes I have to say to them. That's really hard. But ultimately, the kind of accountability, I mean, the first level of accountability is political. And like they can't continue to hold office.

And if the people don't hold them accountable, that's on the people of Minnesota. So I'm glad. We'll see. We'll see. Hey, before you go, Michelle, I did want to ask you about something from your own line of work. I'm going to wait. Well, you know what? I'm not going to wait into this carefully because I actually don't.

I don't know what your take is. And I'll tell you where I think my response will take you right now. Let's go. Well, let's go. You could be much more judgmental or harsh than I might. be on this story. So New York Times reporter, NFL reporter, Diana Rossini, was photographed at a resort in Arizona with New England Patriots head coach Mike Frable. And it was very familiar. I think they were holding hands in a picture, but it could have been at the beginning of a greeting.

They hugged, they snapped a still photo of them hugging. They sat pool side or hot tub side on some lounge chairs next to each other. I think there was later a photo when they were at dinner. she says she was on a girl's trip with a couple of other friends and he says, I can't remember where the circumstances it brought him to this resort in Sedona. Now, a lot of people have gone a lot of ways. Oh my God, they're both married or they have an affair. Oh, my God. People are saying this is access journalism. This is what this is, trading favors and trading intimacy for information. I will say at the outset, I know Diana, you know, a little, we're friendly. We work together for several years. I always like Diana. And so whenever that's always a hard bridge for me to cross.

Like I like someone personally, you know, so am I biased? If you dislike somebody, like I don't like Lawrence O'Donnell, am I biased in that direction? But I think people are going a little far in what they can prove right now. It could just be that you have a lot of relationships with these coaches and, you know, that you know them. You work with them. and if you saw them at a resort in Arizona, you'd probably hug. If you and I saw each other, we'd probably hug. You know, maybe it would be weird if we were in our bathing suits, maybe a little bit.

But I don't know. I don't know if you can go the way everybody is going all the way. You look at the photographic evidence and there are a few snapshots where I go, huh, because they look like they're kind of dancing in one of them and, you know, they're hugging. And I thought to myself, okay, put yourself in this position. I've been to plenty of owners meetings where all the coaches are. You know, you're all at a resort in Hawaii or whatever it happens to be. I've known Mike Vrable.

I like Mike Rable. So I'm with you on that level of how do I look at this? As a journalist, you know, I think I've probably, hey, hugged a coach, Andy Reid. I've known for so long. you have different relationships with different coaches. And I know she covered Tennessee for quite a while, and so when variable was the head coach there. So I don't want to say this is absurd,

and they're having an affair. I also would say it's just not the way that I would do journalism. That's what I would say to you. You know, it's not the way I would do journalism. I don't know that I'd, now look, They were out in public and they probably knew they were being photographed to a certain extent at the pool side and all of that. Well, I don't know. I can't get in their brains. They're both adamantly denying that this is anything more than friendliness. But again, I guess the rooftop photos kind of made me go, hmm, but just, yeah, it could totally be circumstantial and they could totally both be innocent.

I think we need to be very, very careful about interpreting snapshots this way. I think that's what's fair. I think that's what's fair. All right, United States Senate candidate for Minnesota, Michelle Tofoya, always good to talk to you. We'll hug when we see each other in person. I'll hug you, Will. Bye. Thank you.

Okay. Bye. Coming up, former White House press secretary, Ari Fleischer, on the details of this ceasefire with Iran and the end of NATO on Wilcane Country. By the way, over on, I believe, on YouTube, Dan. you and Patrick, I always can tell. YouTube comments in black, Facebook comments in white. Anne Breitrich said, I had a cat named Steve. That's excellent.

That is an excellent name. Steve, get off the counter. Lauren Fulford says, My brother-in-law's chocolate lab was named Paul Newman. Okay, but that's a little obvious. It's not a pet, unless you call him Paul. If you call him just Paul, we're off and running. I like it.

And Joel Llewellyn says, neighbor's dog is Warren. I like that. He probably stands in his front yard going, who is Warren? Warren. By the way. Get your butt over here. You know, I spent some time in the summer in Hawaii. I was just on a few weeks ago, spring break.

You know, when you see friends and their wives. And it is always a little different when, you know, you give the hug and everybody's in bathing suits. You know, you're shirtless. Where do the hands go? Where are the arms go? Do we hug? oh, oh, this is a lot of skin. You know, it's, it's another, it's another level.

But I think we all push through and accept it. I mean, the awkward thing to be like, oh, we can't be hugging, you know, we're in our bathing seats, right? I mean, I think that the way to keep everything, the way you keep the wheels grease, the axles running, the transmission smooth, is you just move forward. Move forward. That's what you do. And you do the hug and you don't linger and you, and you act like it was all normal. like everybody was wearing a chastity belt i think that's i think that's the advice from will king it's a tough situation joining us now uh well we got the perfect expert on that i would assume i guess

um he's a former white house press secretary so uh i don't know how you go from chastity belt to me joins us now chastity belt to me what do you do what do i do you see your friend on vacation your friends, your friends with his wife, you're by the pool, she's got her abatine son, you got you hug, right? Move forward. You give the hug. You just do it and you, and you just move forward. I suspect that's one of those arms length hugs, you know, you're three feet apart,

your feet don't get close to each other and you do one of those long distance arm hugs. Awkward hugs. You have hips out hug, a hips out hug, right? You know what I mean? Where do you do that deal? Buts out, let's hug. shoulder hug. Ari Fleischer with us here on Wilkney country. Before we get into what I really am interested in talking to Ari about here today, something else did occur to me through the course of my

conversation with Michelle Tofoya. And I think I want to ask Ari about this, because Ari, as you may or may not know, I live in Dallas. My studios I'm broadcasting to you from right now are in Dallas. And by virtue of that, I run into a lot of guys who are from your either current or former world. I run into a lot of Bush Republicans. And I do find that one of the things, one of the places where there's a divide between maybe where I am, certainly where Trump world is, and I think where modern day republicanism sits, and Bush republicanism is the hawkishness on immigration. I even had this conversation in the past week with somebody from this world, and they were like, this is, you know, not something I can

sign up for. We need to be compassionate. We need to be welcoming. We need to, you know, go down a path that perhaps we did once before. And I'm curious where you are, as I think we're in a moment where we're having a much more open discussion, not just about illegal immigration, not just about the border, but what's the appropriate level of legal immigration, from where, with what kind of vetting, who? And we're having a hawkish, appropriate, in my mind, conversation on immigration. Yeah, well, I think that ship has sailed. I think America's moved on. The world is a different place than it was in the early 2000s. And that shouldn't surprise anybody.

It's part of the American story. America always changes. So simply because President Bush and a lot of Republicans back then were for a comprehensive immigration reform and had different views 25 years ago, doesn't mean that those same Republicans hold those views now, especially after the disastrous Biden years in which 10 million people came into our country illegally.

So the reason I say that, ship sailed is the anti-comprehensive immigration reform point of view prevailed. It won. It took over the party. I don't think you're going to see a lot of people clinging to a 25-year-old idea. Yeah. No, I think you're probably right. I don't. So for therefore, therefore, I would suggest, Ari, the current push by some Republicans in Congress, Mike Lala Maria Salazar for the Dignity Act, it feels like a dead man walking. It feels like it, and I've had. had both on my program. I've had Salazar for a long-form debate on the Dignity Act here on Will Cain Country. I've had Lawler for a good 10-minute debate on the Fox News as Will Cain Show.

I don't see, unless, by the way, they got like every Democrat on board with them and the handful of Republicans. I think it's actually probably, I think it's like two dozen. Is it two dozen? Maybe just shy of two dozen Republicans, but it does feel a bit like the Dignity Act is a dead man walking. Yeah, and let me just tell you where I am on this, having been the spokesman for a president who 25 years ago supported comprehensive immigration reform. I would love comprehensive immigration reform to take place. I would love for Congress to be able to unite on something that the president, President Trump, could sign into law that tells people what their status is in America.

I've long given up on citizenship for anybody who came into the country illegally. The fact that you came here illegally for no matter what circumstances means you'll never become a citizen. The question is, is there anything that can be done to stop people for having to live in the shadows? Somebody who's been here for 30 years is working, contributing. But here's the problem with that, which is why this is such a tough issue. Where does anybody draw the line? Why is it 30 years? So if you came here 29 years ago, you're good.

It came here 30 years ago, I mean, 29 years ago, you're bad. 30 years ago, you're good. How about 10 years? How about 5 years? How about yesterday? And I don't know how or where to draw that line, because anybody who came here illegally should be subject to deportation. That's just principled.

So could a line be drawn that says you'll never be a citizen, but you don't have to live in the shadows. You don't have to fear deportation because you've been exemplary, you've done all the things we want people who love America to do. Tell me how and where that line can be fairly drawn. And that's how you get the comprehensive immigration reform. I just don't know anybody smart enough to know how to draw that line. The other thing I suggest are, in addition to where do you draw that line, you know, I would challenge you in this conversation.

What does it mean to live in the shadows? It's a term that we coughed in here, right? And in your characterization, that person, the person, quote unquote, living in the shadows will never become a citizen. But could they get some kind of permanent status? Well, that means they probably are not going to be voting. permanent status and citizenship, that's a big line of demarcation. Can you vote in our elections? But I would suggest even the people that supposedly live in the shadows really don't live in any shadows. Their kids go to public schools paid for by taxpayer dollars. Their access to the health care system and for that matter, the welfare system, we've proven to be pretty open.

And so therefore, what are they actually doing in the shadows? And I heard you say fear of deportation. Well, that hasn't been a real fear in America for an illegal immigrant for quite some. time, decades, in fact. And even now, when it supposedly is a fear, we're seeing a major public outcry about deportation. So I'm not even sure anymore what it means to live in the shadows. They effectively have permanent status short of citizenship. The issue of welfare, 100%. Zero people who come here illegally should get welfare. Zero. That's not why you come here. You come here for America's opportunities and to make something of them for yourself and hopefully your family.

So 100% agreement on that, you know, the school issue is really tough too. Because he just can't have incentives to come to America illegally. And that's why I actually support deportation. That's why I've been a vociferous advocate of what ICE is doing. And where I differ with you on that, well, is I do believe ICE is, and that they should, when they go after really bad guys and if they find somebody who is here illegally, along the way, or it's part of it. They go into a home and they find one really bad guy,

but they find the other people there are also illegal. They're going to arrest those people, and those people should be deported. I mean, if you do show up for your hearing, your asylum hearing, if you played all the games to stay in America illegally and ICE finds you, yeah, you should be deported. So you get back to it then.

I don't know what the right number is, 20 million, 30 million, Total people here were legally. People argue about what the number is. It's a huge number. We're not capable of deporting all of them. That won't happen. So what do you do with the ones who are here? Do you let them live in a black market economy

where they're getting benefits here, school there, they live in a sanctuary state, they're getting even more? Or do you try for a comprehensive reform that draws that line somewhere? And the argument's been no, because how do you draw that line? So therefore, what do you do with this? rest. Well, you either deport them or they're going to continue to live in shadows. All right, Ari Fleischer's with us here today. And I wanted to speak to Ari about NATO. But before we get into some of the really interesting things you've had to say about NATO,

let's talk about the breaking news of the last 12 hours, 12 to 15 hours. And that is the temporary two-week ceasefire. President Trump, through intermediaries in Pakistan, has negotiated with someone, someone. It looks like maybe the Iatollah, Sun, in Iran. on one hand, Ari, you know, we've already talked today about the ridiculous system of the left on the 25th Amendment and and claims of taco. But what I am curious about is the way you see this here. Iran has a 10-point plan on its face absurd, all of it. I think every single point on the 10-point plan is absurd and not going to happen.

It includes their ability to continue nuclear enrichment without oversight. It includes getting American troops out of the region. It includes them controlling the Strait of Hormuz. And then there's President Trump's 15-point plan, which is essentially, without going through all 15 of them, the antithesis of Iran's 10-point plan. So what does that mean for the next two weeks? But it means whatever President Trump wants it to mean. And that's where the president has always found his leverage. But I think the big open questions remain.

What's going to happen to the Strait of Hormuz? What's going to happen to the enriched uranium? And will the RRGC stay in control? And I differ with you a little will. I think the group we're negotiating with now through Pakistan are some of the politicians in Iran. And I think there's a real split between those politicians and the IRGC. The IRGC has no interest in compromise.

And they're the problem. They've always been the problem. So long as they have power, they're going to remain. a problem. They're the ones who are continuing to fire missiles, our Gulf State allies and Israel after the ceasefire was supposed to have gone into effect. So what's President Trump thinking here? Number one, I think he's continuing to think this has been a very effective move against China, and I 100% agree with that. There's a whole China element to what he's done in Venezuela and Iran that presents massive problems for China's energy security, which is great news for

the United States because we need to keep China, we cannot let China be even more strong than they're becoming. Two, what does it mean for free shipping in the Strait of Hormuz, international shipping? There are zero tolls, zero controlled by Iran. It is international waters. And we proved that when we created the United States Navy and the United States Marines back around 1800 to take on the Barbary Pirates. Europe paid ransom to these pirates as they always do.

The United States said we're different. We don't pay ransoms. We're going to send in the troops. And that's exactly what we did with the Marines in Tripoli. And we opened up the Mediterranean and we didn't pay ransoms. And we've been sailing those seas ever since. International waters, free sailing, no mines, no attacks. That's yet to be really tested.

I think it's too soon. But we're going to know that in a couple days. It shouldn't take any longer than that. And then the enriched uranium remains a huge problem. Now, is it so buried that they're never going to get meaningful access to it? I'm not a scientist. I don't know. Here, you just have to trust President Trump and our intelligence agencies that if they say Iran can't get their hands on it, you have to believe that.

But frankly, well, I won't sleep well at night so long as the IRGC has any control over Iran. The real hope I remain having is that the Iranian people will stand up and take down. the IRGC, and we're going to have an entirely new Middle East where we are not expected to accept terrorism as a way of life, as a way of law, as a way of living, the way it's been for 47 years. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with former White House Press Secretary R.A. Fleischer on Will Kane Country. When the weather cools down, Golden Nugget Online Casino turns up the heat.

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real regime change for a variety of reasons. What happened in January, tens of thousands of them being killed, this being seemingly a pretty ripe opportunity and it hasn't yet happened, probably with some discouragement from America and the Israelis. Not yet, not now. It's not the time. So maybe there's a green light at some point in the future where we see that prospect become reality. But I am curious what you think the reality is of the next two weeks. Does this ceasefire hold, A. B, does a permanent deal get accomplished? C, is there, does the war resume, if not in the next two weeks? This is why I say it really comes down to what President Trump thinks. And my guess is President Trump is going to keep his foot off this gas. I think he's going to be very satisfied and he should

be with the military results that we've had, with the amount of success we've had and demolishing so much of Iran and his guess is going to be that we're going to be able to figure out a way forward. Now President Trump, of course, will do whatever he deems to do and he's very hard to predict in that sense, which is one of his great strengths. Now, the fact that nobody around the world can say what he's going to do has allowed him to prevail in a lot of situations. And when you look at his track record in the Middle East, Abraham, of course, the way we've destroyed ISIS with a killing of Soleimani, his defensive.

Israel. It's hard to pick a fight with Donald Trump because he's done a lot of things right in the Middle East, and I support him on it. So you're asking me to predict what President Trump will do over the next 13 days. I can't do that. My guess is he's going to keep his foot off the gas because he's going to want to bring everybody home. Over on Facebook, Andrew Vidal says Trump lost his war against Iran with a smiley face. The smiley face, I find fascinating in that, it's almost gleeful. It's almost cheering for Iran. That's how much you've gotten to where you hate Trump. And by the way, I don't know by what definition one would suggest that war has been lost. Their Navy has been destroyed. Their air force has been destroyed. Their nuclear capabilities set back probably at least a

decade, maybe two, depending on where they can find this enriched uranium. Some thousand odd different leaders of the IRGC and the Mullahs have been killed. I don't know by what standard this has been lost. Cindy Young says our administration is doing a perfect job. And Will Rose says Trump plays Democrats like a fiddle. That is that is that is a fact. It is virtuoso musical performance in playing Democrats. So Ari, you had a series of tweets that I found really interesting about our relationship with NATO. And I think you followed it up by suggesting you've gotten some real pushback, you know, from maybe friends, maybe former colleagues. And what you said is, first, a cold, in my mind, a clear-eyed analysis of, first of all, the status quo,

which is, you know, Spain, Italy, UK have not had our backs. And there's just no, by any definition, we have theirs. We are 16% of the NATO budget. We are their defense mechanism. And in return for that, we get nothing from them when it comes to Iran. Meanwhile, by the way, you know, there are countries like Poland and Hungary and the Gulf states that are, are stepping up to partner with us. And I think you proposed, I don't know if you said this is the time for us to pull out, but this is a time for real self-reflection on what we as the United States are getting out of NATO. Yeah. And well, actually, interestingly to me, this goes back to your first question about immigration reform.

The world changes. Times change. And you've got to keep up. You've got to have new decisions about events simply because if you don't, you get left behind in an old world thinking. And I will never do that. So my reflections, especially haven't been at the table with a lot of these nations for discussions about getting NATO to increase their defense spending. For 24 polite years, presidents Clinton, then Bush, where I sat at the table and watched it, and then Obama. 24 polite years, they asked, American presidents did, increase your NATO spending. and for 24 polite years, we got the same excuses.

We'd love to, Georges, we would love it, social welfare, it's so expensive. We got run around after run around after run around of reasons why they wanted to do it, but they never could. But yes, we're going to take into consideration. And along comes Trump. The bull in the China shop says enough, and he got results. So this is where I'm not locked into. any one way of thinking. I'm locked into results. And what I've seen now are the results come from Eastern Europe and not from Western Europe. And this Iran war has proved that. The nations of

Eastern Europe, particularly Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, interestingly Denmark, and Norway and Finland. They're the new nations that are making the spending into NATO. The UK, to its credit, has exceeded 3% of its GDP on NATO, and UK has let us use their bases in the Iran operation for limited purposes, mostly if it's, they call it defense-oriented and they fudge what the word defense means. The rest of them? Absolute lacquards. Spain, Italy, France, and I'm going to throw Canada in there because Canada continues to be just under 2% of spending for defense. Canada. So there are a lot of nations that are NATO nations that don't want to really do anything about it. And in the past, when they spent money on defense, it was for things like pensions,

for their veterans. It wasn't for the things that you need to fight and win a war. And so it's time for Western nations of NATO to get confronted with this. I don't want, nor do I support the destruction of NATO? You said something about immigration. What's that? The reason you brought up immigration, are you telling me that the reason that some of these countries like Italy, Spain, and France have ceased to be serious, serious partners at the table is because of their own migration problems? No. And therefore, I don't know what. That is a serious problem they have now, but that's not the point.

My point of bringing up immigration was you asked me about comprehensive immigration reform at the beginning. I just want to make clear times change. The world changes. Just because somebody believed something in 2001 should not lock them in 25 years later to the same thinking. when the world has changed in Western Europe hasn't carried its weight. That was the point I was making. Right. But I don't want to destroy NATO.

I want to rearrange NATO. I want to have the nations that are the faces of freedom, the nations that know how to fight, the nations that spend on defense, be our best friends. You know, Bahrain is what they call a non-NATO ally. It has basically all the benefits of NATO without being in NATO. And the face of our fiercest friends is shifting to East Europe, to the UAE, to Bahrain, to Kuwait, to Israel. I'm hoping, and I think it's happening, to Saudi Arabia.

And this is where our efforts need to shift when it comes to confronting where our threats are. There's another issue with Asia, of course, with Japan, Australia, South Korea, against China. But France is doing it to itself. Italy is doing it to itself. United Kingdoms do it to itself, declining populations, immigration problems, weak spending on defense, and then no overflight rights. They won't let us overfly for us to run these missions. They make us fly thousands of miles around through the Straits of Gibraltar.

I thought they were opposed to carbon footprints, yet they won't let us fly the most direct route. So, yeah, I'm fed up with that Western Europe, and I think there's a time of reckoning that needs to come. Okay, two questions as a follow-up. Did those countries, this comment or a moment ago said President Trump plays Democrats like a fiddle? Did those countries not play the United States of America like a fiddle in some ways? In other words, they knew they didn't have to increase their defense budgets because the calculus was America needs a military presence in Europe as much as we need our own military presence in Europe. And so what they have calculated is what you'll hear today, Ari, is well, if you de-emphasize NATO, or the United States pulls out of NATO, which is not something that you suggested here today,

then that plays into Putin's hands. And everyone in the past is going, yeah, well, we can't do that. Can't play into Putin's hand. So I guess we'll keep putting up with this crap from Europe. That's why I will. I think the calculation is even more cynical. They calculated, they played us, and this was Trump's point. They played us because they knew when push came to shove, the United States would still have their back.

because that's who we are. That's what we've done. That's what we always do. And now we don't really need them to help us in Iran. All we want is overflight rights. Is that too much to ask? And they won't even give us that. They would love Iran to be destroyed. They would love the price of oil to drop. They would love for the Strait of Hermuz to not have to pay ransoms and pay and pay exorbitant prices and oil, the terror premium that everybody around the world has to pay. But they won't support us. So, yeah, it's been a cynical West Europe that has played us taking advantage of us, really, ever since World War II. NATO worked out well to deter a Soviet invasion.

But that's a 75-year-old treaty. It needs to be renewed and changed if it's going to be effective going forward against other enemies. Well, the technical and real politic origins of NATO are exactly as you described. It was a countermeasure against the growth of the Soviet Union. But I do think it's worth saying that there was another tie that bound NATO as well, and that was a common culture and belief in Western civilization. Now that, back to the migration point, is something many are questioning about the future of Europe. Are you still dedicated to the future of Western civilization?

But it does also make me wonder, should we not be a little skeptical of getting, of making our new allies, Bahrain, UAE, Saudi Arabia, people who are not invested. And in fact, in many cases, antagonistic to Western civilization. Yeah, you notice I didn't say Qatar or gutter. I said the UAE, Bahrain, outstanding countries, very pro-Western, very capitalistic, free. women's rights, allied with Israel, they all have diplomatic relations with Israel. I think Morocco is another one of those nations we need to talk about. Morocco could do an awful lot and Morocco is one of the most pro-Western tolerant nations you

will ever find on this earth and they love America. It's a huge American tourist destination. So there are other ways to do this and yes they're Muslim but in many ways the Muslims of the UAE, Kuwait, Morocco are very different from the Muslims who have gone into London and into Paris and are looking to set up Sharia law in those countries. And we have to be wise enough to recognize the differences among these Muslim groups. And that's important to note too. So yeah, I mean it is a little ironic, right, that Western Europe, with its Muslim influx, is a problem for Western values. But I submit to you, Western values are a lot. and strong in UAE, Kuwait, and Morocco, and some of these other nations.

All right. I'll have to look into that. Count me a little skeptical, but I have never been. I will admit to you, I have never been, and really looked into the value differences between some of these various Muslim countries. All right, really good stuff, Ari. Appreciate the insight and independent thought. Good to have you here today.

Keep the butt out when you're hugging in a bathing suit, Ari. Thank you. Thank you, Will. All right, there he goes. Ari Fleischer, Fox News contributor here on Will King Country. Back over on Facebook, Will Rose says Iran has attacked 13 neighboring countries of theirs. Cameron, Carmen Durkin says, cool, threatening an entire civilization just a joke. Carmen, I really challenge you to this.

If you can do it, I'm serious. Define civilization. You know, I brought this up yesterday in a little bit of a, handoff with Martha McCallum yesterday on Fox News, and I saw a post by someone who said they're a fan of mine and they defend my show. Who do you have to defend me to? Everybody loves a wheelchair. And this was a bridge too far, me digging into the word civilization. Come on, man. I mean, just have common sense or use literal definitions. Ending a civilization does not mean annihilation, genocide. It does not mean that. You're filling in blanks.

And, I mean, if you don't trust me, trust the usage of the concept of the ending of civilization to Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC. And Amanda Robinson says, invoke the 25th Amendment. But Amanda, but in a very sane twist of events, you have done it in all caps. So we know you're serious. We know you're serious, Amanda. Caps law. Listen to me. Invoke the 25th Amendment.

That's what that sounds. I'm yelling it. Yeah. I'm using my outside voice. That's what it sounds like. We should have an amendment. Is 25th Amendment invocations in all caps stage one TDS? Or is that stage 5 TES?

Three and a half. I'm going. It's about a 3.5 on the Richter scale. Stage. It's just basic boomer. What's stage one TDS? When you see someone in stage one CDS, what are the symptoms that you know you might still have time to get that person vaccinated.

So one is not that bad. Five is bad. That's what we're doing? Yeah, only on DefCon does it count down. Everything else counts up, I think. Okay. DefCon and golf. That's true. I think stage one, I don't know.

What do you think, Patrick? I don't. I got it. I know the answer. I think a couple of my buddies have stage one. I really do sometimes. Like, it is your initial. Prism of seeing everything. So they would look at somebody like me. I have some friends who say this to me and say, I

Grant Trump benefit of the doubt and look for victories when they are not there objectively in reality. And I think that stage one TDS is approaching everything with initial skepticism and denial. And the heart the thing is about that there's a track record like tariffs. or Venezuela. And the stage oneer is like, you're going to destroy the world economy. We're going to have massive inflation, right? And it's on the issue, maybe. It's not so much on the personality of Donald Trump. And they just constantly approach every issue as though this is absurd and stupid. And the implication is he's a buffoon and he's going to destroy everything. When the track record suggests that's not an appropriate consistent skepticism. And maybe I'm not an apologist, but I'm paying attention to a track record where your initial instinct. That doesn't mean the instinct has to carry you through all the way.

If the evidence comes back, this was bad, you've got to be able to say this was bad. But your first initial instinct to something, is it skepticism? Or is it, it's probably going to be okay. This is part of a larger plan. And we have a track record of success. I think that's stage one. Yeah, I think that's stage one. And, by the way, I don't know if there is a vaccine.

What stage is it where you see a story and then you just have to decide how. this is going to make Trump look bad? What stage is that of TDS? No matter what it is, it could be anything. Well, I think that's like stage three maybe. It's not full invoke the 25th Amendment in all caps. That's full stage five. But it's like this has to be Trump's fault somehow.

TDS. That's stage three? Yeah, probably. Yeah, three, you're getting close. You have thought about hitting Caps lock. You've thought about it. And you're close. You started typing it, then deleted it, and then went in lower kids. You're like, I should go to Facebook and hit Caps lock for sure.

You've thought about it. You might not yet have done it, but you've thought about it. I want them to know how my... All right, that's going to do it for us today. I want my aunt to see this in all caps. Stage 5. That's going to do it for us today here on Will Kane Country. We hope you will join us tomorrow.

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