Will Cain Country - Did ICE Just Make Rent Cheaper? (ft. David Marcus)

Episode Date: September 28, 2026

The numbers are in, and mass deportations look pretty good for your wallet. The mainstream media is not happy about it. FOX News Columnist David Marcus joins the show to discuss the truth about mass migration, and the selfish reasons why left-wing elites keep pushing for it. Plus, Will and the crew breaks down the real reason why AOC hasn’t been invited to Montana, the true motives of Democratic Socialists, and how much right-wing cynicism over the President Trump’s second term will hurt the GOP in midterms. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCainNews⁠) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mass deportations bringing rent down. As DHS floods certain areas in those areas now become more affordable for Americans. But how many jobs are still going to foreigners? How big of a star is AOC? With foxnews.com roving correspondent, David Marcus. It is Will Kane Country. streaming live with the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page. Always here, just hit follow at Spotify or on Apple.

FoxNews.com, David, Marcus, hanging out with me in two of days, Dan, today. What's up, David? Not much. How you know, man? Sorry about, no, not. I won't mention it. It's fine. I already mentioned it earlier. You all know what it means. Go ahead.

Go on ahead. I mean, tough loss, man. It can't halfway. You can't halfway insult me. It was fun to watch. Yeah, especially the end And two guys are talking And I could just assume the Eagles are going to win tonight

Yeah At least the long orange one Yeah, there you go You know, yeah That was great Kind of, was it? I mean Exactly, kind of

Like I mean A win's a win That's a win That's a tough place to go in get a win. It's true. And, oh, oh, oh, a win's a win. Last week, oh, the Eagles won ugly.

That's the old with the Titans. Now it's a win. All right. Well, in college football, in the SEC, a win is a win. It's not, I mean, 100,000 people, stadium rocking, you know, and to go in, not play their best, but to hang on and beat Tennessee, that's a good win for. the Longhorns. That was really cool, by the way.

I wish I had been able to go. Air Force One looked like it just buzzed the tower of the entire stadium. Did you guys see that? Oh, yeah. The video of how low Air Force One flew over? You live in a bubble that I don't even know, Dan. Like, what is, what are they upset about? They're just like, oh, how do she in egotistical?

He has to fly over the stadium with Air Force One. Yeah, that was all I saw in my algorithm. How do she in egotistical? With this kind of stuff, or with like, you know, the memes that the White House puts out or whatever, there's really like three very distinct types of people. There's the people who hate Trump and whatever he does, they're going to hate it. There's the people who love Trump and whatever he does, they're going to love it. And then there's the people who neither love nor hate Trump and none of this stuff even registers to them. It's like, what are you going to do?

Do you think there's a lot of people out there in that third group? actually. Yeah. It's like you think there's a lot of people out there that are sort of like... They're quiet though. Eh, I don't have an opinion on Donald Trump. I don't have an opinion, but like he doesn't dominate my life. Like, I don't have

a poster of him in my house and I don't spend my weekends putting on pink hats to go protests. But it might be people who voted for in the first time and not the second time. Sure, you know. Okay, fine. Yes. So to me, you know, that's actually, the way you

framed that, David, that is the majority of America. The majority of America is not, like politics probably ranks fourth in their life, maybe. Yeah. You know, their family is one, or their faith in their family are right there together, intermingled. You know, their job and the economy, like literally, how am I going to make money tomorrow? How am I going to provide? Yeah, but I don't even want to put qualifiers on that, Dan. I don't want to call it surviving.

And on the flip side, I don't want to call it like, because, you know, the flip side is the world of people who, surviving paints a picture of someone who is trying to go paycheck to paycheck. And that person definitely exists. That person, I mean, that person is maybe not a dime a dozen. That's a good chunk. There's another chunk who on the surface are doing very well financially, but they're also focused on that. Do you know what I mean? How can I do better? How can I make? They're the same. Those two people are focused on the same thing coming at it from different angles. And I don't, I don't even like calling it the economy because that's almost like a generic broad term. Like what's GDP? What's the stock market? What's unemployment? What's inflation? It's not like that. It's more like, you know, what do the next six months look for me like? And I think if you're rich or you're poor or in between, that is real high for a lot, for most people, like right under faith and family, right? And then, you know, and then sports and social life, social life and sports together would outrank politics.

like when people around, they're talking, they're hanging out, that's kind of where their conversation goes. And then politics. So I agree with you, David, that that group, if we're defining it that way, is gigantic. I just don't know that even those people don't have an opinion on Donald Trump. It's just not driving them to your point. They have an opinion. If asked. Yeah, I mean, you make an interesting point, Will, and I was thinking about this the other day, and it had never occurred to me before. But I checked in with our friends Salina Zito to see if she had found something similar and she has. Just I went back to think about over the past few years the people I've met who I sincerely believed were on the fence. And it's not that many, right?

But you meet these people and it's like, oof, I really am on the fence and I believe them. Just going back through my mental notebook, I even looked at my physical notes, I would estimate that more than half of those people own and operate their own business on some level, whether they are a plumber with one truck, whether they're a factory owner, whether a franchisee, those people have a very different relationship and a much more transactional relationship to politics, whereas employees can kind of afford to be purely ideological. That's my guess anyway. But there's no doubt in my mind. I think that's right.

I think that's really well characterized. So I want to tie to tie off the ribbon on this part of the conversation. My point is those people that you just described, and we're not going to call them no opinion on Donald Trump, that's not accurate. But their relationship to politics and the economy at large is transactional. They're not focused on this through the lens of maybe who you're going to vote for. We'll come back to that. Those people inside of Neeland Stadium, Dan, they did not look at that flyover and say, do she. they thought that's freaking awesome.

Because that's not about Donald Trump. That's about America. That's about, look, air force. Those people are going to chant USA, USA. Do you understand what I'm saying? And where the people you're talking about have gotten to the point where they see an American flag being flown and they think that's a political point being made. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah.

They see Air Force One and they don't see the U.S. of A. They see Donald Trump. Yeah. And so that whole thing at Tennessee on Saturday, I mean, I think if you hated on that, you are trapped in an algorithm and a social circle that is not representative of America. Now, David, here's what's interesting. The people that you described and that I described, and I don't want to make everything political, but these are going to tie into a couple issues I want to talk about today. I don't think those people look at whatever they're disappointed in. So let's say they're disappointed in the interest rates or this, you know, again, I don't like using the economy at large.

Whatever it is that's impacting them transactionally. And right now, that's probably primarily interest rates, right? On the high end, it's interest rates on the, on the, well, it's inflation. And who wrote, oh, it was one of those big tech. guys, Bill Ackman maybe, he wrote this interesting post about, you know, the idea of the Fed is that higher interest rates are supposed to counteract inflation. That's what that is. Lower interest rates can enable inflation, but lower unemployment, right? So this is what's, what the, the purpose of the Fed is to try to strike balance in that. And he's like,

interest rates are actually part of inflation. It's the cost of money. That's raising the cost of money. And he's saying that he thinks that the cost of money has decoupled from inflation and the economy at large. The point is, at one end, the transactional end, that small business owner, they're focused on interest rates. At the employee end, they're focused on inflation. They're kind of focused on the same things. I don't think either end of that, I don't like inflation and gas prices and grocery prices, or I don't like interest rates, will turn and go, so therefore, let me vote for the party that flooded the country with 20 million people. I don't think that's going to happen.

I think that's fair. I mean, I do think that's the other side of the coin, right? You can say, you know, prices are too high, but do we... Now, you could say, like, people have short memories. You know, there's certainly polling that suggests that there are Americans, you know, who think that the economy was better under Biden. But I'm with you. I mean, I think people have long enough memories to remember that it was a...

a much more gut-wrenching economic situation under Biden than what we see today. So, yeah, I agree with you. And I will say, like, I saw an interesting thing from Axios that there was like the list of what voters are most concerned about. And the economy is always number one. It's always going to be number one. Number two now is fraud. And I can tell you in Minnesota, number one is fraud.

And very much tied to immigration and some of the stuff that we're going to talk about today. So, yeah, I mean, there are, there are, anyone who tells you, no, the only thing that matters is the economy. Nonsense, because it's, you know, in Texas, different things matter than matter in Minnesota and different things matter than matter in Florida. So it's, it really doesn't work that way. I do think that category of voter that we're, we're, I don't even like calling them voting. voters. That's the thing. Like, not everything comes down to the midterms, not everything comes down to political parties. There's just Americans who are making decisions about the future of their country. That category of person that we're talking about, I do think they are motivated

by cultural issues. Like, I think that, like, even if they thought Democrats could steward the economy in a way more favorable to them, which I can't believe they would come to that conclusion. But let's just say that they did. I think that back to the point, Dan, that category of person likes Air Force One flying over the station. That category of person wants to yell USA, USA. That category of person doesn't want, you know, the trans stuff, the colonialism, race-based stuff. They don't want that stuff. And immigration is tougher, David, because

immigration gets wrapped up in this like, I don't know, I guess, emotional, empathetic lens of like deporting non-criminals. But I don't think, I'm just having trouble. I don't think that person, you're right, memories are short. I can't see that person going back to the Democrat Party. I can't. Yeah, especially since the Democrats don't seem to be awkward and much that's new. Yeah. Right.

I mean, Rokan is kind of trying. Like, he's got his whole, like, FDR New Deal thing going on. But it's still Medicare for all. It's still, you know, way too much immigration. It's still way too many H-1Bs. You know, it's not as transformative as I think he would like people to believe. And it's why I don't think it's gaining very much traction, frankly. I think their economic message free is so powerful that it could.

That could. win people over, you know, but it's too wrapped up right now in H-1B's immigration, colonialism, trans, all that. It's just too. Go ahead. Yeah, I mean, you know, the immigration issue, Palestine. You know, I was writing the other day. There's really, there's two things going on.

There's the fraud, and then there's the cultural question. And I think everybody, for the most part, is on the same page with the fraud. And, well, people are infuriated. The woman who drove me to the airport from St. Cloud down to Minneapolis, let me just tell you what she told me and who she is. Her name's Lynn. She's 62. She and a friend of hers share a one-seat beauty salon that they share the rent on.

and half the week it's one woman half the week it's the other um she also drives ubers on the weekend but she owns her own home a very middle class lifestyle her kid just got married and's going to italy on the honeymoon she goes on vacation twice a year but she's driving me to the airport doing uber right she tells me that recently she picked up an immigrant woman recent immigrant woman who was bragging to her friend that she had just gotten government subsidized housing the better news for her was that her boyfriend already had government subsidized housing so their plan was to rent her government subsidized housing out to other immigrants for cash will i could see the knuckles going white on lynn's face she was up over 80 miles an hour i was

worried i was going to die in this car because lynn was so furious over this but wouldn't you be if you had her life and you were driving Uber to save up to be able to go on vacation and someone sitting in your Uber saying, oh, the government gave me a free house, now I'm going to rent it out to another immigrant and make some cash. It's infuriating. And that drives whether you want to call them voters, whether you call them Americans. Native-born Americans are driven nuts by that. And it's not the only example. They all knew. They all saw people who don't have jobs driving a brand new Lexus. They all drove by these business centers that were empty.

They all saw that there were no kids in the daycare center. And now all of their suspicions are confirmed, and they're very, very angry about it, as they should be. Let's take a quick break. But continue this with Fox News.com columnist David Marcus when we come back on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with FoxNews.com columnist David. David, I have an intern here in Dallas, and I was right like five minutes before the show, I said, hey, there's this guy that I follow on Instagram, and he goes around the country, and he does sort of these, I don't know, they're like documentary shorts on what's happening in certain little hidden pockets, real America, you know, real America. I remembered it while you saw me on my phone. His name is Peter Santanello.

Do you know, have you ever heard of him? I have, but it sounds intriguing. That's what I want you to do for the Will Kane show. You are doing it. David has a column up right now at Fox News.com where he spent time in St. Cloud, Minnesota, wherein he writes about this story that he just shared with us, but also visits the downtown and talks about, you know,

how the downtown is doing. And you described it well. Your metaphor was a good-looking hockey player missing a few teeth. like the downtown is kind of doing well, but there's still some empty storefronts. You know, I come from a town like that, David. I mean, literally a town square, the courthouse in the middle, the old courthouse, you know, had to build a new one. But my dad's office was on the town square, across from the courthouse.

And I used to walk the square my whole life from the 1980s forward. And I saw that town square go from active and vibrant, you know, to pretty dead. and a lot of empty spots. And you know, you hope it comes back. And the way it comes back is almost always, like, God bless them, people with a hope in a restaurant or open a boutique. That's what happens you hope in these small towns. So I know exactly what you're talking about.

And I think this is the America that I've been talking about through the lens of immigration and that you just covered in St. Cloud. And I think, you know, you should keep doing this and we should give you a video camera. And you should do this for our show. That's what I think. Well, I mean, that sounds good to me, man. Come shoot it. One way or the other, I'm going to be out there during October.

But specifically regarding the downtown, right? And this is all over the country. And it's why I think J.D. Vance's populist message, and specifically on immigration, is useful. There's two problems with the insular immigrant communities coming into a place like St. Cloud. I've also seen it in Springfield, Ohio. You see it in Texas to some degree with some of the more insular South Asian communities. The problem is, even if you give 1,500 jobs to these Somali or Haitian immigrants, they don't go downtown. They just don't.

And so whereas if, like, I'll ask you, in your town, like, we just heard today that in Iowa there's going to be a new steel plant with 1,700 jobs. What would 1,700 jobs going to native-born Americans? due to that town where you grew up, Will, or due to St. Cloud, Minnesota. What would happen is, you know, Bobby gets his paycheck, and he takes Susie on a date downtown on Friday night, and Clarice is the waitress, and she does well on tips that night, and she gets her car washed the next day, and that guy gets paid. And that's how these towns operate. When you have these communities, like the Somalis and the Haitians, no, you know, Ahmed gets paid. he spends all of his money in their enclave.

And worse than that, a lot of that money goes out of the country. Out of the country. So you can't save these towns and these downtowns with these kind of immigrant jobs, even if they are H-1Bs. You need to give those jobs to the kind of Americans who are going to go to the sports bar and watch football on Sunday. Right. You know, interestingly, in Texas,

So you brought this up earlier. You've got the fraud issue and the cultural issue. So you brought up to South Asians, which is an H-1B. But more importantly, a family reunification chain migration story. There's not enough H-1Bs to explain the explosion in populations. They're simply not enough. We're going to talk about H-1Bs in just a moment. What happens is the H-1B is given, and it is a chain that leads to 15 to 20 new other.

people that may not necessarily qualify under the original H-1B's parameters, which is special skill, this and that, right? Just because you, there is a role for H-1Bs, okay? It is the idea, we need a highly skilled set of labor that we don't have here in America and they have there, so we're going to bring them in. That's the purpose of the H-1B, right? And there shouldn't be that many of those. Like, in theory, you know, how much better could someone from India or and then China's second, but India, I believe, is 70% of H-1B visa grants. And I think China's another 15. How much better, how many people could truly be educated in things and prepare to do things better than Americans?

It can't be that many. It just doesn't make any sense. But then the 15 other people they bring, they don't qualify at all. all is the geniuses, the high skills that we're hoping to bring over here. And I believe that, again, I think 75% of legal migration in America in this decade, meaning now that we're post-1965, the Hart Sellers Act, is through family reunification. Like when you think about legal immigration, we talk about H-1Bs, yeah, okay, that's part of it. What you really need to understand is 75% of it is chain migration, family reunification.

Yeah, and those people will go into industries that certainly do not require any special skills. And in a lot of parts of our country, we just sort of accept that there's an ethnic tie to certain, and this has always been true, from the time of Chinese laundries to Italian pizza places, this has always been true to some extent that ethnic groups will latch on to certain businesses. But, you know, we have this attitude that, like, there's jobs that, like, Native-born American people won't do. And it's always interesting to me, until I moved to West Virginia,

and really until I started traveling the byways of the country, I almost never saw a white person working at a fast food restaurant. Like, you live in New York City, right? Do you ever see that? Not really. I mean, never.

It just doesn't happen, right? I see it all over the country. Why? Right? I see maids in hotels all over the country. And it's because it's not that nobody wants to do it. It's that when you bring these groups in, it naturally kind of, you know, different groups take over sort of different types of functions.

And you know, it's a problem. And I don't know, Will like, I even have a problem just at the H-1B level. Like I don't, I like Vance's idea of this is gonna cost you an extra $100,000 because you're undercutting American workers, first of all, and second of all, and I think more importantly, everything I just said about how you're not getting assimilation, pardon me, you're not getting a little league coach, you know, you're not getting somebody who's going to be a leader at church. It's got to be America for Americans. It just has to be.

So here is J.D. Vance talking about the H-1B issue. Go ahead. Dan. We looked at the fraud in the system and we said, you know, one, Congress is not going to pass a law changing this. There just isn't the political will to do it. So what are the things that we can do administratively to ensure that if a tech company is going to try to get an H-1B visa, it's an actual genius. It's a person that is going to significantly enrich the tech ecosystem or the American economy. You know, you're not just replacing one accountant who makes $60,000 with a lower wage foreign accountant who makes $45,000 a year. That is not. what the program exists for. And so we came up with this idea to impose a $100,000 fee. The H-1B should not exist to replace American workers with low-wage foreigners. It should exist to enrich the American economy. And that's exactly what we're trying to make sure it does. You know, the other thing about this when they say Americans won't do these jobs, whatever those jobs are. And I saw a video of James Talarico making his argument that it's it's kind of what you said. It's the the landscaper, the crop picker, the maid, Americans won't do those jobs.

But what, you know, that's more of an illegal immigration conversation, actually. That's an illegal immigration. The legal side right there, what you're doing there is you're crowding out the exact people who are complaining about their future economic prospects, and that's entry-level jobs. You know, that is young people, that is middle class, that is how do I get started in my career? career. And I can hire a 22-year-old, 23, 25-year-old for 60, right, who really doesn't know that much yet. They just got out of college. They've got to learn on the job a little bit. Or I can hire a 35-year-old Indian dude for 45 who's been doing this for 10 years or doing something like it

for 10 years. That's who we're hurting. Yeah. And, and, and, You know, it is. I mean, look, at the end of the day, it's the Chamber of Commerce, right? And we were talking about housing. You know, when I, I've told you this before. When I was in Springfield, the number one issue I heard about the Haitian migration was housing, that people's kids couldn't go rent the single family home anymore because there were 10 Haitians living in it.

Well, guess who owns? And is renting that home? The same guy who owns the factory who says, oh, thank God for the Haitians. They don't do drugs and they like to do overtime. and they show up on time. And, you know, all of this is coming from the business owners. And at a certain point, I think Vance is absolutely right to say to the business owners, not anymore. You got to hire Americans.

This isn't about you. This is about the town that you're in. This is about a community being able to thrive. And you need to be a part of that community. Is there anything with contracting jobs outside the United States, like any sort of regulation there? So, I mean, that's got to be a huge thing. You mean like outsourcing? Yeah, just outsourcing.

I mean, if you stop that, too, I mean, that creates jobs here. Well, I'll tell you, during the Ellis Island period, this is something people don't talk about a whole lot. But we always say, oh, there were no restrictions in the Ellis Island period. There were a couple things that could get you sent back. One was being an anarchist, but another was if it could be shown that you were coming for a specific job, that was illegal. Huh. Now, it happened, but it was absolutely illegal. If you got to Ellis Island and said, yeah, my cousins got to.

a job waiting for me, they'd send you back. Really? I didn't know that. That's wild. Yeah. No, that was the fear. I mean, the fear was all these, you know, business owners will just start importing people. Oh, right. So they made that illegal. I just watched gangs in New York. That's so good. It's a great one. That last shock with the Twin Towers. Oh, my God. Every time.

Okay. So then there's this story that's come out. I think, Dan, I'm going to put this chart up because I don't think, I think you have a headline, but I want to show this chart. This is from DHS. DHS says that rents are dropping in cities where the deportations and ice focus has been the strongest. So here's what DHS puts out. I don't know if you can, it's awful bright and white, Dan, so I don't know, oh, you got it. Look at me doubting you. You got it. Yeah, I did. DHS is reducing your rent. Texas accounted for about a quarter of ICE. arrests in July and posted the country's sharpest rent drops.

With San Antonio down 4.8%, Austin, 4.3%, Dallas and Houston, about 3%. And it says, Miami's average rent is down 2.6%. Phoenix is down over 4%. Atlanta down over 3%. Nashville, over 5%. New Orleans down 8%. And then they say research shows that illegal worker inflows, push rents and home prices up. That inflow has been reversed in the streets.

in the states running the hardest interior enforcement. Want lower cost of living? Support mass deportations. Now, I want to say, you know, this is probably multifactorial. It's probably, you know, if you wanted to write a critique and say, well, what's driving rents down in these places? Is it just immigration? Probably not just immigration. There's been an expansion of housing supply in a lot of these.

I can't speak to New Orleans. But in most of Texas, because, you know, zoning, it's easier to build homes. is easier to build multifamily. It's easier to build a lot of that stuff. But at the same time, there's been a huge inflow, too, domestic migration into these places. So if rents are going down and immigration enforcement is going up, that is one of the factors. Although I said it could be multifactorial, that's obviously one of the factors, and that's an easy supply demand calculus. Easy supply demand calculus.

And this immigration story needs to be painted more as the economic story we're talking about, because it is tied to it. It is tied to housing. It is tied to jobs. It is tied to traffic. It is tied to crime. It is tied to inflation. More people buying goods. So I don't know. This is a good, if this message is exactly the kind of message is how this immigration enforcement needs to be characterized. This is an economic story for America. Yeah. I mean, look at the story I just told. I mean, Now you're not competing with, you know, immigrants getting government subsidized rent. I mean, you know, the government doesn't care how much they're paying once they're paying, right? So they'll pay whatever to the landlords, and the landlords will take to Section 8 or we'll take, you know, whatever the thing is.

And then the guy who's actually trying to work, you know, is up against it. The other thing I was here in Insane Cloud was employers who would hire these immigrants, but then the immigrants will only, work so many hours because if they get over too many hours, then their benefits cut off. So these are all perverse incentives that just make everything, especially housing, more expensive. And to your point, Will, you know, three weeks ago, we were all together in Dallas. Well, not, you know, not all this, but you and I were together in Dallas. And J.D. Vance had been chosen to really be the messenger of the midterms for the Republicans. And I feel like that got a little lost over the last two weeks.

But when I was, I didn't go to St. Cloud thinking like, I'm going to end up writing about J.D. Vance. But by my second or third day walking around St. Cloud, I went back and looked at that speech. And I'm like, what did he talk about? First, he talked about American needs to be built by American hands. So we need more jobs for native-born Americans. Then what do you talk about? Fraud, specifically in regard to immigrants. Then what did he talk about?

Culture. What is the culture of your town like? And I'm like, this is it. It's like, this is the message. And so I would just camp J.D. Vance out in Michigan, in Minnesota, in Ohio, in these places. Because I think this message resonates enormously well. Let's take a quick break. But continue this with FoxNews.com columnist David Marcus when we come back on Will Cain Country.

Welcome back to Will Cain Country. We're still hanging out with Fox News.com columnist David Marcus. Well, this is why I think. think, you know, when I got back into this line of work, which is now 15 years ago, more than 15 years ago, what drew me back was not the conversation over horse race politics. I actually don't love the horse race politic conversation. I like the philosophical and cultural conversation about what it is to be an American and where we're headed as America and as a people. And why did I get on to that? Oh, midterms. You know, I, I'm, I. I don't know, I

I don't get jazzed. Okay, let's talk about what the latest polling is out of Minnesota. Michelle Tofoya versus, you know, whatever. And but I'm going to find the midterms really interesting as a reflection of what is important to America. Like where, where, because you're telling us something, David, that is not what you hear. And you know that. And that's why you do it. But not what you hear from pollsters out of Washington, D.C. and now.

Hold on. Can I just cut you up for one second? Well, because you just said something really important. about how polling and about how the narrative works, right? You just said Michelle Tafoya versus whoever, right? To whoever is Peggy Flanagan, who is the sitting lieutenant governor of Minnesota, who helped to oversee over all, you know, all of this fraud, who wears t-shirts that say protect trans kids with giant knives on them.

That really means, let's stab people, you know, if they misgendered. This is an abject leftist, lunatic who nobody in the country has heard about because the media doesn't want her out there and because even though Minnesota has been all but tied for a month most of the media it's starting to change now but they refuse to put it on the list of toss-ups because they do not want Peggy Flanagan out there and and that's what's going on and I'm not this is not a tin hat conspiracy I'm not this is not people you know twisting handlebar mustache it's just how our system works and it's got to change because that's got to be a story that the American people look at. The story that I'm

interested in, yes, I hear what you're saying, is what is important to Americans. Yeah. Because here's how it would be told to me right now. And some of this is true. Some of it is false. Okay, Americans are, the affordability crisis is number one. And I say that instead of the economy, because that's how they're characterizing it with inflation and so forth, right? you said fraud the media and i know and david you are as well we're both part of the media but um would have you believe the fraud story is sort of a right wing um tempest in a teapot right right yeah yeah that's how that's that's that's a phrase for the left and and so will it actually play a role in the elections that obviously david's answer is yes

Whereas you know what's getting a lot, what's getting a lot, what's getting a lot more attention? And I'm not saying this shouldn't, is corruption with Trump. Like, right? That's got, like, crypto coins. Not actual fraud. Don Jr.'s. And Don Jr.'s wedding and all. Well, I don't know.

I mean, I don't know. Well, sure, but. I don't know why a Russian paid for Don Jr.'s wedding, you know. But what is actually going to motivate this back to this, you're in St. Cloud, Minnesota. And I want to talk to real Americans and where they are. Like, what is the thing that they care about? And I just, to your point of Peggy Flanagan, here's the thing. I think they do care about.

I think they are transactional more than ideological, most people. And I think they do care about their own pocketbooks primarily. I think culture matters because you start messing with people's kids and you trans their kids, you mask their kids, you kick them out of school, you tell their kids they're racist. You can't do that crap. Okay. That is the biggest loser message. the stupidest thing the Democrats did going all in on that stuff. But I think the socialism

stuff becomes transactional. And I think that can sell. And so you see right now, like AOC, I did this this morning in Fox, hasn't been invited to campaign in Montana. And I'm like, well, AOC is a talented politician in her circle. But she's not going to be the salesman for socialism. She's not going to be the one that carries that transactional message that could be powerful to shift the direction of the country. But there will be somebody. You know, it's not Abdul al-Said either. It's not Abdul-Said. I don't think it's James Tala Rico. No, because he's not a true believer in socialism. Bernie, you know, Bernie was able to do it on some level, I think, because he wasn't taken seriously for so long.

Yeah, that's a great point. Well, I don't know. You know, I think a lot of people would like it to be Mamdani. I don't see that. I've never heard anybody on the road. He's the best. When I say best, not that I like him the most, he's the most talented politician of all those we just rattled off.

By the way, I'll say. I think all of, well, hold on. He didn't get, he was a Democratic nominee. None of them had the complete picture. Yeah, but Mondani was a Democratic nominee for mayor and he didn't get 50% of the vote. That's true. In New York City. I don't know, man.

I'm not willing to crown him, you know, the next Bill Clinton based on that result. I'm just not. You know, maybe I'm not seeing it. If Gavin Newsom weren't such a slime ball, if Gavin Newsom weren't such a slime ball and he could carry that message with, like, integrity, like, he actually believed it. And he Somebody like Gavin Newsom Yeah He's just not a socialist

He's a narcissistic He's a narcissist He's a narcissistic Oh I think Well He's either a socialist or he's wearing socialism As a Trogent horse

It's his Trojan horse To get in Exactly To his true ideology I don't think it's Offer Shapiro either by the way El Saeed El Saeed

No, Al-Said's a socialist. I mean, he's... He stated he wasn't. We just saw yesterday, like six examples of him over the last five years saying there should be no such thing as private health insurance. And now he says, oh, well, there should be. Come on. Stop. That hangs out with a Zon Piker.

But look, more generally, I think that the Democrats are realizing that socialism doesn't play. That's why you're not seeing... For most. In swing states. That's why you're seeing Al-Sahoeia. See, I disagree, David. I disagree. I disagree. I agree with data.

I disagree. I think that the reason you distance yourself from those characters isn't because of their... Again, I'm not endorsing. For anybody listening and watching, you've got to understand, I'm just analyzing, right? I'm trying to analyze the playing field. I'm not endorsing. I think that the reason that those people have limited ceilings and they could be repellent to someone trying to get elected is less about the socialism stuff and more about

the Palestinian, anti-American third-worldism of their stuff. Like, nobody wants that. You know, I spoke somebody very high up who's not one said to me, like, none of these people are actually trying to sell socialism, the current people. They are using that to why I was saying as the Trojan horse for really an anti-American third-world ideology. I mean, go to, what is El-Sayed? Where's his family from?

Are they Egyptian? I can't remember. Egypt. Yeah. Elon Omar, you know, go with each one of these people. And, you know, when they slip up and they go, our people or, you know, what they're fighting for, they criticize America. And they laud their historical. Those aren't socialist countries.

Those countries aren't socialism. Their third world authoritarianism, tribalism. And that's what those people are about. And they're not true socialism. What's interesting about that? that will is that when I was hearing all of these stories, and I've heard them over the years, but specifically in St. Cloud, and I was hearing these stories about fraud, you know, about I'm going to sublet my government, you know, funded housing, or I'm going to take advantage of the program where, you know, I can watch my grandmother,

but I'm not actually going to do it. I'm just going to take the money, right? When you come from these countries that have corrupt, horrible governments, the attitude is, is get whatever the hell you can from them. If it's there, take it. If you can grab it. Transactional. By the way, transactional. Yes.

But the American attitude is or at least used to be, and I still think is for a lot of people, that they would be ashamed to do that. That they would feel like they were stealing. If they did that. On the fraud side. On the fraud side, yeah. That you don't do that because we're all sort of

all in this together, and if we commit fraud against the government, we're hurting our neighbors and we're hurting our community and we're hurting everybody. I don't think that's the attitude that people from the countries that you're describing have when they first come simply based on their own experiences of having dealt with their own governments. In fact, they think you're an idiot if you don't. You're an idiot if you don't because somebody else is. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And, you know, I don't know how you fix that other than more assimilation, other than more understanding of like, this is not what we do here. But they also want more help from the government.

Right. You know, but they won't defraud it. Anyway, the warning I'm trying to give, and I know I've been on this for another week or two, is that I actually think if any of these idiots figured it out, they divorced themselves from their third worldism. they divorce themselves from unfettered migration. They would divorce themselves from the ridiculous cultural issues. And selling people the transaction of socialism might actually play, like the actual transaction of socialism. Now, that's a purely economic message.

And I would hope America would reject it. Don't get me wrong. I would hope America would reject it. But I'm not sure they would. I think America, the only way for you to win on that other message is by changing America. What do you think? That's why they, that's why they import illegals. What do you think, if I were to say AOC, El-Said, Ilhan Omar, and Mamdani, let's throw those four out.

If they could have a choice between socialism in the United States or the destruction of the state of Israel, which do you think they pick? Who's they, real quick? Mamdani, AOC, El-Said, and Ilhan Omar. What are those four people want or whatever you said? Those people? Would they rather have socialism in the United States or the destruction of Israel? A thousand percent. Destruction of Israel.

Yeah. No doubt. No doubt. You know, I would argue that they would rather have the trans issue alive than socially. in the United States because those are I agree this is my point we're on the same page yes yes right it's like what they're really trying to do is sort of like break reality to make all of they're trying to destroy Western civilization they have an animus towards Western civilization and all of its trappings because they feel like Western civilization has given them the short end of the

stick that's what it is those country those people from those countries believe that the reason that their countries are less developed and less prosperous than those of Western civilization is because they were exploited by Western civilization. This freaking is Black Panther. This is colonialism. They believe without the British Empire that Wakanda would exist. You see what I'm saying? That is what they believe.

With no evidence. Well, no, plenty of evidence, plenty of evidence, just in the opposite. Right, yes, right, yes. No, I, you know, I, you know, I. So that's what drives them, not socialism. Socialism is only the awarding of power for the continuation of destruction. Socialism is a mechanism through which you award yourself more agency and power to get the ultimate goal. And the ultimate goal, by the way, might not even be written down somewhere.

You know, they don't have like a manifesto necessarily. It's a freaking mindset. It's a mind virus. So the socialism they mean is essentially taking down. Western civilization and not actually socialism, like some people actually talk about it, like private, like private. Not Bernie. Bernie's probably a true believer.

Bernie actually is selling an economic message that he may or may not believe. And that's why at various times in his life, Bernie has been somebody that you couldn't predict. Like Bernie was not anti-gun control. Bernie was also not for open borders. He wasn't for all that stuff because he understood those two things can't go together and actually work. Bernie will now sidle up to these people. because he understands they are the ones with the energy and the path to power.

What I think Bernie may not fully come to grips with is they don't actually want the same thing as you, Bernie. They don't want that. But close enough. So the Joe Rogan, the Joe Rogan Bernie bro, remember the Bernie Bros? Yeah. Where are they now? Are they fully, are the Bernie bros fully in the camp of Zoramam Dani? Are they fully in the camp of AOC?

I don't know the answer to that. I don't know. Yeah, it's a great question. You know, I've often told the story of the very first Trump rally that I ever went to, and it was freezing cold night in February of 2016 in Manchester, New Hampshire. And you weren't supposed to, I don't know if you covered Trump stuff, but they really try to keep the reporters like penned in, and that's not how I work. So I just kind of shoved my pass and went and talked among the people. there were at least three people I met at that rally who I said, you know, well, who were you thinking about voting for who said to me, you know, I really can't decide between Trump and Bernie Sanders. And at the time, it was like, I'm sorry, what did you say?

At the time, it made no sense. Yeah. In retrospect, it makes a lot of sense. They wanted. I think a lot of Bernie bros did become Trump guys, by the way. Yes. I think that they wanted, and maybe vice versa. You know, they wanted change.

They wanted the old system broken up. And over time, that started making. sense to me, but I'll be honest, I was confused as hell. So tear down the system no matter who? Yes. Just not this anymore. The economic system, not Western civilization.

No, no, no, not Western civilization. And have our guy on the inside. See, that's what I'm getting at. Is like, this Western civilization animus stuff, it's super dangerous. But I don't think it has widespread

popular appeal over the long term. I don't, and the, the caveat being, this is why the immigration stuff is so important, because you can't import people from across the world in the tens of millions who hate anti, who hate Western civilization. You can't do that. Then you'll lose the whole project. But the socialism thing, that's different. And they actually don't, Bernie, Bernie is, Bernie is the right guy in terms of like he's the closest we've got. There's not a younger version of him right now that I can think of. Well, first round bias says Bernie and Mom Dani have way more similarities than you're giving them credit for.

I don't think that's true. I think Mom Dani wears the Bernie stuff as a skin suit. That doesn't mean he won't implement some of the policies. But his goal, his in-state, is not the same as Bernie's. man my favorite stuff is you remember the awkward videos of Bernie trying to appear with people it was this was back in like 2018 during the the whole or 18 to 20 the race the race reckoning of America and do you remember that moment on stage where like there was a black woman and Bernie wanted to speak but then he didn't want this person to speak I can't

remember it was like you can't speak because you're not the right or in the right order he got shouted down by a black crowd or something I can't remember what it was but it was like Bernie was confused. He's like, whoa, I thought we were doing this thing, but we're doing a different thing. Well, go back to Occupy Wall Street, right, which was really arguably where Bernie and his anti-corporatism began. So this is October of 2011. Obama's still in his first term. And listen, I spent a lot of time down at Occupy Wall Street, not as a occupier.

How bad did it smell? That was at the very beginning of. of when I was starting to do journalism. So I was down there a lot. And one of the things people forget about Occupy Wall Street is their government, to the extent that they had one, was called the General Assembly. And the way the General Assembly would work

was every night you would assemble and the leadership would create the speaker list based on something called a progressive stack. So what the progressive stack meant was, depending on how, you know, much oppression your identity was under, you would speak earlier. So a trans, black lesbian would go up near the top. Even back then.

2011, this is where they introduced it. The progressive stack, right? If you were a gay white man, you might have a chance, like sort of, if you were a straight white dude, man, you weren't talking. Like, just wasn't happening. And the attitude was the argument they were making was, well, for so long, straight white men have had such a big voice that now we need to to invert that.

Same thing we saw in academia, same thing we saw on everything else. But yeah, from 2011, that identity stuff had already started to invade the socialism, the occupied, the 1% stuff. To your point, Will, in a very different way than Sanders, who was not an identitarian, had ever really talked about it. Let's take a quick break, but continue. us with FoxNews.com columnist David Marcus when we come back on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with FoxNews.com columnist David.

Yeah, that's a good way put it. I don't think Sanders is, is, was, or however has been an identitarian. I think that wasn't part of his whole calculus. One last thing, David, so when it comes to the midterms, and really we'll see how it plays in 2028, to your point on J.D. Vance, The question will be how much are people blackpilled? And by blackpilled, we mean cynical, right, to the point at which they can't see any progress, any positives. And the more I look at, you know, I've got some buddies. I had a call this morning for the guy who's like, dude, this economy is on the edge. It's teetering on the edge.

Like we're headed for something awful. I'm like, okay. And he gives me this metric, this metric. this metric or this metric and, you know, if interest rates stay at seven and a half percent, do you understand how many people are going to go bankrupt and how many real estate developments and then the downstream effect of this, that? But the idea that Donald Trump hasn't lived up to his promises and haven't, that black pilling, I think, is totally contra to the evidence, totally contra.

Like, I would love to speak to someone who feels like Donald. Trump hasn't done what he promised he would do. Okay. So this, I'm going to offer you first, one piece of evidence in a video. The piece of evidence is that inflation is at 3% even with the war in Iran. So everybody points to the war in Iran. But inflation is at 3%. That's not comfortable.

3% inflation, especially if it's not keeping up with wage, and it's right there, like wage growth and inflation are right here, like quarter to quarter. But the problem is the 9% inflation we had under Biden. So all those prices are baked in. The 3% is the growth. Everybody knows how that works, right? The rate of inflation is at 3%. But we had 9% for 3, 4 years.

And that is baked in. That's never coming down. That means the price of the loaf went up then, and now it's only going up 3%. So that's a victory for Trump. You're not going to get the prices back down unless you want deflation. And deflation requires a recession. You have to have to fully have.

a recession to get that stuff done. But then the border thing, and this is what we're talking about, with deportations, rents, the Trump administration has made massive gains on the H-1B thing. Let me just tell you, that is happening. As much as we see our algorithms and how bad, they're making big progress on that. And then the downstream effects of all this stuff. So here's Bill Maher talking on Friday night about what border enforcement has done. Forget all those stuff. Let's just talk about what it's meant for, what do you call it? We talked about it for years.

Deaths of despair, deaths of despair, right? Remember when we talked about that? Overdose, suicide, you know, all that stuff? Basically, this is what Marr is talking about. Play that, Dan. But here's what's crazy. The progress we've made in the last few years in both street drugs and prescription drugs is truly phenomenal and no one's talking about it. Deaths involving fentanyl are down 55% from their peak. Cocaine down 37% heroin, 89%. There's been a 34% decrease in meth-related deaths, which has led to a 64% increase in teeth. Wow, we've got Jonathan Swan here. What happened? It's not like American suddenly became a people who make good decisions.

Oh, and then he goes on to say it's the border. Yeah, we have the rest. He goes on to say, oh, you do go. Yeah, let's hear the attribution, he says. And it's not just drug crime that's way down. It's all crime. And again, probably much of it is not political. It's because you can't move two inches in America without being tracked, photographed,

and followed by a flock camera. But it's also because when Democrats expand the safety net, there are less desperate people. And because Trump is a... badass. No, I don't agree with many of his methods, like how they sometimes just deport people to countries. Well, they have absolutely no connection like Megan and Harry. Is doing it this way the right thing? No. But it's just childish to pretend that when you elect a fuck around and find out president, a no more Mr. Nice Guy booting your ass, V for Vendetta, kick in and take names, say hello to my little friend, president.

That's not going to have some effect on crime. I mean, he's talking about crime. I want Jonathan Swan in the audience, man. Mar was slayed. Who is that? Jonathan Swan looked like he was about to fall off his chair. It's just killing. Now, listen, can I tell you a funny thing about Mar?

I was saying this before the show. When I was in Dallas, I met this guy, and the first night I met him, He described himself as like a moderate Democrat and specifically it's like I'm sort of like a Bill Mar centrist, right? And I was like, okay, that's cool. I met him like the next night. I met him again. He had read my column and it sort of figured out like exactly who I was.

And he pulls me aside and he goes, Dave, I'm like a total Trump maga guy. But like I can't say that in there. So that's why I say I'm a Bill Mar type centrist. And this is apparently the code now For Republicans who can't you see you're nodding I have to do it to lefties See? I mean

And right? Why are you doing it right now? And what? You're going to You're saying something publicly Damn it But that's true, you have to hide it Yeah

Because he takes issue by issue Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you saying, Dan? You're MAGA, your total Trump guy? No, no, no. I'm saying I have to do it on both. sides because it puts me down the middle. So I could say I'm like Bill Marr, so if I'm talking to a group

of right-wing people or left-wing people, I don't have to describe myself as something specific. Is this crazy thing to say? Is this crazy thing to say? Is Bill Marr? Is he like super in touch with America?

Like, in other words, think about Bill Mar. Super skeptical of Islam. I'm just trying to think He wants an expanded social safety net. That's clear what he said in that thing. He apparently, though, is pretty for border enforcement and immigration enforcement and crackdowns on crime.

Against the way Trump's doing it. But he came up as a sort of pox on. He has to be anti-Trump. He's a pox on both your houses guy. But in the current environment, and he's been doing that for 25 years, but in the current environment, being a poxon both your houses guy kind of. makes you a conservative because if you're not screaming from the rooftop that Donald Trump is 10 minutes away from destroying the American experiment yeah then

you're a conservative right right being a Democrat is the is the former yeah I mean you can't be a Democrat unless you're John Fetterman and say like I like kind of like some of what Trump does I kind of don't like someone what Trump does I was having a conversation this weekend the same thing I was talking to someone who hates Trump and I wasn't I didn't hate Trump enough And so they got angry with me in that conversation. I wasn't angry enough at him and swearing at him enough. I'm so glad I don't live up there anymore. I'm so glad I don't live up there anymore.

Brother, it's getting harder every day. I'll tell you what. Texas is looking at right. Well, if I could say about your buddy who called you this morning, I think he used the right word. I think the word in terms of cost of living is Americans feel on edge. And I am watching gas prices higher right now than is, is going to be comfortable for a lot of Republicans. I'd like to see for the GOP that come down a bit.

But to your point, under Joe Biden, we were well over the edge. I mean, we were splattered on the street below. So that's the difference. Yes, people feel nervous. Right. People are worried about it. Right.

They aren't despondent the way they were in 2022, 2023. Yeah. And the GOP has to hope that it stays that way. And I suspect that it will over the next month. But again, for me, I'm a little worried about the gas prices. Because if those gas prices kick over $5, you could start to see people move back into that terrified mode. And that could be a problem.

Meanwhile, here's the deal. The Cowboys didn't deserve to win that game. They weren't the better team. However, they put themselves in position to win that game, and they fully should have. You don't have an excuse from not getting in the end zone when you're sitting at the two-yard line. get in the end zone. You're playing for the win. Win the game.

And they didn't. They kicked the field goal. And then to play soft defense and give up a 27-yard pass, let the dude kick the winning field goal. It's just dumb, dumb football. Dumb football. Why is he throwing it on the end zone on purpose? But you could have won. What was that?

I don't know. Didn't the coach literally say they planned for that to throw out of the end zone? They threw it away. Yeah. Yeah, because they ran because stack scrambled. Dax scrambled on second down, which meant they had to use the last timeout after he was tacked.

So what's the point in that play? You burn, you burn, the idea is you're going to burn a little time, but not really. You burn two seconds, maybe. Dax should have thrown the ball away on second down and saved the timeout. Then you can run, you can throw, because you've got that time out to use before the...

But listen, man, I'm sorry. I just think you have... I think you have a quarterback in back in Dak Prescott, who is capable of putting up Hall of Fame numbers, but does not have the ability to win football games. And it happens, man. He doesn't have that four-minute drill.

Jaylen Hertz is the opposite. Jalen Hertz is near the bottom. I saw a video. I saw a video. I'm, I'm, I'm, who'd you say? Jalen Hertz. Jalen Hertz. Yeah, but that's a product also. But, but that's a product of who he's got around him.

It's a product of who he's got around him and his coaching staff. He also doesn't make a lot of mistakes. He literally can't throw the ball over the middle. He could only throw the ball to the sides. He lost Andrew Brown. I think, I saw a video and I actually thought it was absurd at the beginning, but I think I agreed with it in the end, and it was this. You ever seen that game?

So how many teams make the playoffs now? 12. It said, how many playoff quarterbacks from last year would you trade for Dak Prescott? And they bid. One guy's like one guy's like one. Next guy's like five. And next guy goes nine. And the final guy goes 12.

And they're like what? And he went through all 12 starting quarterbacks in the playoffs last chair. And legit, Dax better than all of them. I do believe that. At the end, he's better than every single one. From Brock Purdy and Sam Darnold to Jalen Hertz. And everybody in between. I don't think he's better than Tony Romo.

I don't think he's better than Tony Romo. Do you think he's better than Tony Romo? I don't. Oh, I don't know. They're very similar. actually, Dave. They're very similar in terms of like the ability to do everything you need from a quarterback, right? To read a defense, to make the right play, to deliver the ball accurately. But there's a couple. I'll give you this. For both of those guys, there was a couple of plays a game

where you feel like you had to make it and it doesn't get made at a consistent basis. I'm not saying it never gets made at a consistent basis. But the truth is, the guys that do make those plays are very rare. is Tony Romo come on, we know the answer. Probably not. And neither is that. The answer's no. And neither is that Prescott.

Yeah. But they're both better than Eli. But they're both better than Eli. And Eli probably will be. Well, again, are they better than Eli? Because what Eli was able to do twice was construct a playoff run where when it was most important,

he got it done. It's two different. I say that as an Eagles fan. I have no love for Opie. But, like, you know, it is what it is. By the way, we're going to wind this show up. But that's a really difficult position for the Cowboys to be in, because you're talking about a guy that legitimately is a,

I think this is legit, a top seven quarterback in the NFL. I put that number, that's me being trying to be accurate, not hyperbolic. But maybe not good enough to win at all. Maybe, right? So, you know, how do I, trade up. That's the question. How do I trade up from seven? Because like, in the NFL, people get in love with the next guy. Would anybody, do you know who people have had ranked ahead of DAC for years now? Justin Herbert. Would anybody trade DAC for Justin Herbert at this point? No. No way. No way.

I don't think you trade DAC for a quarterback. You may give you another one? Drake May. Do you a Herschel Walker said. Does anybody think Drake May is better than DAC now? Last year, everybody loves saying that. No. These guys have windows and maybe Drake May will come back and maybe Justin Herbert will finally figure it out at some point. Maybe those things will happen. But we actually know with DAC with 10 years of evidence, you're going to have a top seven quarterback. But the question isn't do you trade DAC for another quarterback? The question is do you do the Herschel Walker thing? Do you trade DAC for a million draft picks and a couple of players and say, okay, and try to win the Super Bowl with Sam Darnold.

And try to win the quarter. That's right. And then try to win with the gun like Sam Donald. That's the debate. Go grab somebody. Yeah. That's what you would do. I mean, you wouldn't do a quarter.

I mean, when was the last time there was a quarterback for quarterback swap in the NFL? No, I wasn't talking about a legit trade. I'm saying it was more of a would you rather have. Yeah. But you give up, you give us the realistic one. It's like, would you rather have DAC or Sam Darnold plus everything else Seattle got to invest in. That's the debate. Matt Stafford? Matt Stafford is legit. Yeah, it would take Stafford. I think Carson Wentz could take the Cowboys

to the promised land. I mean, Stafford threw a pick six last night, dude. Yeah, that's true. Any through three interceptions in a playoff game last year. Carson wins. I have had that debate. I had that debate for years, and I probably don't have any greater victories on my ledger than that. It was me against the world. Me against Dan Orlovski and every other comments. commentator on ESPN. And who won that one? Dack or Carson wins? Thank you. I think that one is my Super Bowl. That's my Super Bowl. Because you don't have any real ones. I mean, recently. Oh, good. All I care about Facebook playoffs is back. All right, make sure to check out David Marcus at, yeah, okay, at voxenews.com. And by the way, check out that new column he has where he's inside the city of St. Cloud, Minnesota. It really is good, David. I've read it. It's really good.

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