Will Cain Country - Did Trump Call to ‘Take Out’ California? Media Spin, Christian Nationalism, and the Border Crisis (ft. Vince August)

Episode Date: October 7, 2026

What did Trump really mean when he said “Let them take out Los Angeles”?  Will sits down with comedian and lawyer Vince August to dismantle the media narrative surrounding Donald Trump’s latest viral comment, exposing how headlines deliberately misread his speech and why this has become a recurring pattern in left-wing media.  Will and Vince also tackle the debate over "Christian nationalism" following Paramore singer Hayley Williams’ concert remarks, exploring America’s historical foundations, faith, and how the left weaponizes political labels. Plus, the guys analyze Chuck Schumer’s push to grant citizenship to millions of undocumented immigrants, the latest legal developments in the Cornell fraternity allegations, and where legal immigrants get their stance on immigration policy. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: Watch Will Cain Country! Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (@willcainshow), Instagram (@willcainshow), TikTok (@willcainshow), and Facebook (@WillCainNews⁠) Follow Will on X: @WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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today on Wilcane Country. In Country normally streaming live as we are today at the Fox News YouTube channel at the Fox News Facebook page, Wilcane Country YouTube channel and Facebook page. But at your leisure, just hit subscribe and follow at Spotify or on Apple. A lot of big news to get to today. But I been informed, we have to begin the show with the obligatory you can't just... No, you're not going to just start with news and dive in like we talk to each other

every day because we don't talk to each other. You know it's an act. I got to start with the news. And the parissocial people out there that you have relationships with want to know, when Will Kim comes to New York City, do you stay in one of those like mega penthouses that you own that you got docks by Mondami

and you're getting whacked on taxes? Are you super sweet Ritz Carlton? Like, where does Will Kane stay? Don't actually tell us where you're saying, but... He's definitely got a penthouse. I was in a mega penthouse last night. No, it has to be. Come on.

Obviously, it's not where I stay. I want to be careful talking out of school, but I did get invited to have drinks with someone here in New York. Oh, here comes a name drop. No, I'm not going to name drop. Oh, they're that elite. And I walked in and I could not believe.

Like, I'm talking Florida ceiling windows, a city block wide, almost a city block wide. Are we talking? Politicians, entertainers. You've heard enough. Okay. So we're sprinkled off. And I'm like, this exists. That's crazy.

That's incredible. This is who he runs with. And I think your followers should know. The other question I get all the time about me and you is with regards, because we bust each other's shops a lot. Dolly? And a lot of people like, look, obviously it's an act. It's very friendly. And a lot of people don't know.

So let's break down the third wall with Dan here. And I'm Italian. I'm going to get emotional. I'm going to try to keep... Really? You're Italian? Yeah, I'm going to try to keep this here. People say, what is the relationship? And I want everyone out there to know, I can't stand this man with every atom of my fiber and it's mutual. We hate each other. I can see the tears in your eyes.

We can't stand each other. everything from the perfect teeth and smile everything about this man bothers me I want everyone to know just the whole f***able thing that you have going on leave that out get that in post we'll get that in post

I stay ignorantly in a boutique hotel because of the neighborhood I want to stay in I lived here for 15 years I don't I didn't live in New York and it's my belief that people don't live in New York certainly at the age of

which I moved here and stayed, which I moved here in my 30s and stayed through my 40s. So I wasn't going to clubs. I wasn't seeking out the best restaurants, not really my thing. So I lived in a neighborhood. I lived on the Upper West Side

for the entirety of my 15 years. So that's where I want to be. I want to walk around where I used to walk around, go to the little pub on the corner and get a burger. That's what I want to do. That's New Yorker, no. That's what feels like New York.

Yeah, that's New Yorker. Actually, this person I was with last night, is living here for a limited amount of time. Like, what should I do? Should I, you know, have been to the Westminster dog show? I'm like, yeah, yeah, all that's great, you know, but that's not New York. No.

What I would do is I would walk. Yes. That's all I do. East Village, West Village. It doesn't matter where. Just a neighborhood, though. Honestly, you know what I told me? Walk north.

So I fell in love with New York coming here as a visitor, a tourist, but all that my wife and I did is walk. And we'd walk from this neighborhood to that neighborhood, mostly Manhattan, did Queens, did that. But my life as it's so developed in New York became from Upper West Side North to Harlem. I rarely went down to Tribeca, West Village, all the cool places. And so Harlem was a pretty big part of my life. Like, probably a daily basis because my son, my oldest, went to school in Harlem.

My boys both played sports in Harlem. And the point of that is saying if you walk north, And you do Harlem. And look, I'm not here to lie to you. There are elements that are sketchy and you need to have your head on a swivel. It's true. Jersey is the same way. Come on. Yeah. But you'll get away from the Chipotle's in the gaps. Right. And that's my point. Like, all of a sudden it's like, oh, this isn't the Mall of America. Right. And I can see. It's not time square. New York. Right. 57th to like 14th. It's not that. Right. And so that's what I advised him. Like, like, just go for a walk. And that looks like a cool. bar, I'm going to just go have a beer over here. And that's where you find a restaurant. Yeah, that's where you find the places.

Yep. Yeah. And to this day, if somebody said, do you miss New York, it's the only thing I miss about New York. And I honestly believe this, like the whole restaurants and all that. Look, man, I actually believe you take any top 30 size city in America, they're going to offer you the same restaurants as New York. There may be more quantity of them. You don't want to admit that.

but I can get Italian in Dallas. I'm not telling you it's as good as New York. I'm not telling you that, dude, but it's going to not be that far away. Now, there may be only one or two places in Dallas. That's the difference. And there's a hundred in New York. That's the difference.

We're talking about the best restaurants in the world. But I'm not a foodie. But every big city in America, and I don't care about the five-star, Michelin, all that. That's what we're talking about. That's what I'm talking about. You're talking about just regular. Maybe I'm a bad witness because you can take me to a five, what is it five star, Michelin, whatever they do?

Yeah, but that's different food. Michelin food is different food. It's very artsy food. To me, you're talking about approachable. Yeah, like legit Italian food is you walk in there and you sense that the people cooking it or the recipes are true to Italian food. And the same thing goes for all types of ethnic food. Like you can walk in there and get a feel for the restaurant. Absolutely.

Yes. My favorite Italian was a place on the Upper West Side called Celeste. And the dude would walk around. It's super tight. It's uncomfortable. And that part of New York, I do not miss. Like the idea that I have to have my meal next to this stranger because our tables are separated by that much. Yeah, but that's because you're boogey will now.

It's because I'm texting. He can't be near the people. He's not the people anymore. This lane is too narrow from my truck. You know, like, I don't want. But where he walks around and he talks to you and I'm like, what should I get? And I'm not suggesting this place has the best whatever it is in the city. but I don't care.

Right. That's authentic. Yeah. And that's all you want. Yeah. That's what you want. That's the only thing I miss about New York. But I'm not a Michelin guy.

You said it's three. It's on a scale of three. Yeah, three stars is the most. I'm not a foodie. And I'm not saying a lot of people are. Yeah, I'm a foodie. Are you? So like, I'm not sure I can tell the difference between a, I don't even know if I've ever

been to a three star, three and two. Like a nice wine. You can't tell between wine either. I can't tell wine. Yeah, yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't drink. I don't know the wine thing, but food, I can tell the difference. Yeah. I could tell by looking at it. Yeah. But I also grew up in a food business. Yeah. So my family had a food business.

So we were constantly around it. So that's a lot of the reasons why. Yeah. So when you grow up in that, that's just... You can screw up Italian food, though, pretty easy. No, yeah, you can. Oh, yeah. You can screw up Italian food bedtime.

I guess I'm not... I'm not discerning. Like, this is what I always say. Food, drink. I'm not discerning. Like it hits terminal velocity to me. Sure. Good is good.

Great. Well, maybe great. But then there's not like, I'm discerning on good conversation and thought. And that's why I think so little events. It's like I feel like I'm at McDonald's. Like, dude,

I'm actually a connoisseur on it. I know what a three-star Michelin conversation is. We needed to break down at the door wall. Just so people know. Just so people know the disdain. I want to start right here with. with the Willisha. Our boy, first round by, is here

live. Love having you here as always. I wonder if we'd get along if we met in person. I bet. Just like the brunch crew, I'm sure you would. Oh, I have much more faith in first round by than the brunch crew. Probably. You should. But they're all painted by you. So if I hate the brunch crew, it's your fault. And they should

know that. It's all your fault. How could I hate people I've never met? Only by what I'm told about them. There's your friend. Yeah. Right there. So tell me what first round by is saying right now. So I start the chat early before the show.

I open it up so anyone could say anything. First round by saw we, you know, I did the headline for Cornell 7. We're going to talk about it. But he goes, how about Mamdani on Theo Vaughn? Or how about Trump saying let them take out Los Angeles? Or how about J.D. you don't belong in America, quote. Okay. So he wants us to touch that stuff.

I'm not sure on all of those what he's talking about. Like I don't know the J.D. one. I also don't trust. I'm sorry for. I don't trust your characterization of the statement. Right. That's what I'm saying. You're paraphrasing of it. Mamdani, Theovon, has got to be about the definition of socialism.

I mean, it was a long interview, so I don't know what else. Just talking about them, just things he was saying. And how Mom Dani came across as better than everyone is kind of like pinning him as just the socialist, you know, stooge. Oh, I don't, I don't doubt that. Yeah. Mom Dani, like El Sayed is a gifted talker. Yeah.

But Trump. That's the one. That's the one. and I am fired up about it. Vince, if I had to pick, and I've been involved in media since 2010, and I've seen evolutions of different organizations and different individuals, if I had to pick a moment that rips the blindfold off the most, it is the very fine people hoax, and it is a hoax.

And I know this because it got me. This is a stage where I'm at ESPN. Actually, and I'm honestly at that point, not a big fan of Trump. And so I've got this stuff baked in, and then I'm told ad nauseum and on repetition that he called Nazis and white supremacist's very fine people, right? It probably lived with me like the public for years, years. And I'm ashamed to say that, how long it took me to get to the truth. But I also think that's the power of repetition and the demand on some level of individual investigation. But what I'm embarrassed about is how little investigation it took.

It took extending the clip 15 seconds. That's all it was. 15 seconds. Yeah. And then you hear him go, I'm not talking. talking about the Nazis and the white supremacist. This is on the level of very fine people. This idea that Trump is okay with or encourages or invites Iran to bomb L.A. or San Diego.

Now, first of all, that should not pass your sniff test. Just as a critically thinking human being, if somebody's told you and somebody said that, President of the United States or not, like, pick the public figure you hate the most. Hassan Pike or Nick Fuentes, whatever, whatever side of the political spectrum you come and you say that's the most odious person out there. If they said that, would you believe it? Somebody told you they said that. I'd be like, nope, I got to hear it for myself.

And so you're saying about the president of the United States, who a lot of people think is the most odious person they can think of, and they have these baked in thoughts of him, and they're told that's what he said. Well, let's just start with this. Let's listen. I don't know how long the clip is that you pulled, and I want some length to it.

Forty seconds. Should do. Should do. Let's listen to the president of the United States. And again, remember, with the word, it's just artificial, it's a little bit high, it's a small price to pay for keeping the world safe, keeping our country safe. They can take out a city. Let them take out Los Angeles. Let them take out San Diego.

That's, this is a very small price to pay, and it's going to be over soon. It's essentially almost over with, and they might keep going a little long, you know. They always say they have a big threshold for pain. They need it. Okay, that ought to do it. Okay, so that's turned into an invitation. Let them take San Diego. Let him take Los Angeles.

It's a small price to pay. Let's just critically think through this for a minute. What is he talking about? Top line. What is the subject matter of what he's talking about? War and Iran. War and Iran. Period.

He begins talking and he is talking about it's a small price to pay. What is he talking about? Get rid of nuclear weapons. And what's the price? Prices, right now, gas and everything else are with it. He's giving an economic message. And I didn't see this speech, and I'm doing this with you. Yeah.

Is this the first time you're seeing this? It's the first time I'm seeing this. That's exactly what he's saying. Yeah, and we didn't prep any of this. We didn't talk about this. Just so everyone... He's obviously affordability is the major issue in the midterm elections. People are talking about the economy.

He's acknowledging the gas prices are high. He's talking about why gas prices are a little higher right now, and he's talking about the war in Iran. And he's suggesting the importance of keeping them from getting a nuclear weapon is posited or weighed against the price, the rise and the price of gasoline. Okay? Now, let's start with this.

The president, he speaks in half sentences a lot, like a stream of consciousness speaker. Interrupts himself. Interrupts himself. And so then he says, and you could argue sloppy, but he just says things, and he goes, let them take San Diego or Los Angeles.

Is that suggesting? And then he says, and he returns to what are you saying before, it's a small price to pay. Is he saying, do you believe, with some critical thinking here, that he is saying, letting them take Los Angeles San Diego is a small price to pay?

The first thing you have to know about Trump, and this is the most important thing, and I don't care if you are a Trump supporter, you're not a Trump supporter. If you don't understand that, and he can be criticized for a lot of things, if you don't understand how much that man loves this country, I think if you don't start with that knowledge,

they don't believe that. They don't believe that. But you have to understand that that is a fact, And if you don't believe that, all you need to do is watch when he comes to New York City and meets with Mandami and the way those meetings go. When he went to California and met with Gavin Newsom. Look, he says a lot of things about the people that he meets with. But in the end, Donald Trump is willing to do whatever it takes to make this country better with anybody on the opposing side. He's met with Bill Maher, and then Bill Maher will leave the White House, and he'll go back to ripping Bill Maher.

That's his personality. I understand people don't like that about him. But if you honestly believe that Donald Trump doesn't love this country, if you're starting with that premise, then there's no way you're going to hear what he said the way it is in his brain and what he's saying, which is we are not going to, we are not going to pay the price of losing two cities for this war. It's worth it because to me,

I don't want to see San Diego get bombed. I don't want to see L.A. That's his mind. That's what he's saying. he's willing to do anything to protect this country. I disagree. Okay. And that's what he says.

And that's all he says. Tell me what he says. And that's the argument. And that's it. Next topic. This is why I disagree. I will grant you. Let's take first round by.

What if you don't believe the things that you said? Because I actually going to say this. You put qualitative statements into what you said. You gave your opinion. I agree with your opinion. I agree with your opinion. opinion that he loves America. I don't need that to prove my point. If you believe he hates America, if you believe that, you can still put on your critical thinking hat. And it doesn't take a lot.

We're not talking about, you know, algebra here. This is, what is algebra? This is, this is listening comprehension 101. 101. So even if you think he hates America, you hear. You hear. You. You hear. that you can't come to the conclusion he's saying no i'm good with san diego or los angeles no it's not that he hates america it's that he hates certain cities in america that he hates certain places because of who represents those people still i will let you come at it from that perspective yeah i will let you and still say you cannot come away from this clip with that conclusion well who is the you that you're talking to a rational human being okay a rational human being who is trying to understand the truth and has a modicum of critical thinking skills.

But we live in a populist society that is so unbelievably divided that there is a faction, whether you want to call it extreme left or not, that honestly believe all of his motivations are selfish. Let's take a quick break. We continue this with comedian, judge lawyer, Vince August, when we come back on Will King Country. Where some see heroes and other see egos. Bloomberg sees the era of Billy Billiard. air athletes. While others follow the noise, we follow the money. Learn more at Bloomberg.com. Welcome back to Will Kane country. We're still hanging out with our friend, lawyer and comedian, Vince August. Yeah, but okay, I feel like you're giving a pass. So what I want to get to is... I'm not giving a pass. I'm just saying that... I'm not willing to give them psychosis on this. I don't know how you hear this and don't hear what he's saying. He, it's a warning, not an invitation.

Let them take San Diego, let them take Los Angeles. The implied is, no way, it's a small price to pay higher gas price. But there's two U's here that we're talking about. The first U is CNN, MS Now. That's the first U, which is isolate this clip, and now we're going to define this clip based upon what we hear and tell the second you, which is our audience, which is looking for a reason,

to say, see? Oh, my condemnation is for the first you more broadly. So the headlines are all screamed it. Right. Every single one of them. You know, there's the story that CBS is pivoting under Barry Wise

to be more centrist. Dude, they ran with it. They ran with it. Disingenuously. That's my point. Right. They're not this stupid. No.

It's perfect for them, though. They're not this stupid. It's great for them. Yes. It's completely disingenuous. And the reason why they do it will is because of the second you. The second you is the people out there that have this loathing for him, okay, that we saw Robert

De Niro, we saw what's the other actor, the guy who plays the Hulk. Ruffalo. Ruffalo. We, there's, you understand that there's those people out there. Yeah. And when you take this clip and I, this is crack for these people. That's what, sorry, first round by respondent, he says it's the divisiveness of it and the crowd cheering it on for me.

No, but no, he's starting from conclusion. You're arguing from conclusion. It's because you believe that's what he said, but he didn't say that. And by the way, the crowd does not believe that's what he said. Nobody with a modicum of honest, critical thinking thinks that's what he's saying. In fact, I'm blown away. I don't even think it's that sloppy. He does speak.

It's a little sloppy. It's not that sloppy that you're like, oh, my God. You go, oh, oh, oh, yeah. And that's the natural action be like, huh? Oh, oh, gas, small price to pay. And again, to believe that people, I don't care how right-wing they are, QAnon Trumpers, whatever, that they would cheer that. Nobody would. Right.

That's the other part of it. He just says he doesn't fully understand what you think Trump was trying to say. Let me translate. Depriving Iran of a nuclear weapon is so important because they could take an American city that rising grass. PAS prices are a small price to pay. Right. That's the translation said, not that I'm the most.

I don't want to see a long, right sentence. You disagree, Dan? You don't think it's... No, no, no, no, I agree with you. I don't want to see a long-range missile take out San Diego and L.A. What are you saying is, you know,

if we don't do this... I don't think you say that. Yeah, you're going to take out San Diego. You're going to take out L.A. I'm not willing to do that. I'm willing to see this war through to the end. Look, and again, it doesn't take that much critical thing. It's a headline, though.

Trump says take out Los Angeles. phenomenal headline for, again, those to use. Yeah. And that's the important thing to remember here is the disingenuousness of taking that clip, and this has been done over and over and over with him. And the weird thing is, there's enough things that you can attack Trump on that you don't need to do this. Right. So to first round by, my argument to you is not become a Trumper.

I mean, in the overarching thing it is, but not in this argument. My argument is open your eyes. You don't need. I'm tired of this. stuff that the left is doing. And back to the very fine people. Once you open your eyes, and you take that blindfold off, I do think you can begin to see things more clearly.

It's my belief in trust that once you do, you'll actually end up agreeing with me more. And you don't want to, and that's fine. You listen to the show every day, and I love that and appreciate it, and we should have the debate. Yeah. But I am not, the difference between me and I think others in the media who I'm not, I'm not saying work here or other places. I'm not trying to snow you through falsehood. Okay, I will get it

wrong. That doesn't mean I'll always be right, but it is my belief that if you see the truth, you will end up agreeing with me, not 100% of time, more often than not. And so this is an example to me like very fine people. It's like, maybe you're not getting the truth from the people that call themselves unbiased or objective or whatever. In fact, you're getting complete and utter. And that That was Aaron Rupar who posted that. And he just posted that little part of the Trump quote in the video. Oh, he's just a... And listen, I'll speak to the first round by people out there by saying this, from my perspective, I don't understand in politics where we've come to a point where if you're a Republican or

you're Democrat, you can't objectively look at your side and critique your side without the people on your side attacking you for, something you're not saying. So for example, I could say about the Trump administration, look, I don't like what they're doing with the wild horses. I don't like what they're doing with pulling back protections for endangered species. And if you say that, then there are people on the right that will look you and be like, oh, dude, so what? Kamala's better? And it's like, no, no, no. That's not the conclusion to my statement. And this is a thing in politics that's become really disturbing, because I can criticize my football team around other people that cheer for my football team. I could criticize my family around my family members.

And no one says, dude, what are you going to do? Go live with another family. Dude, what are you going to do? Go root for the cowboy. Like, no one says that. But when you do it with politics, for whatever reason, if you criticize your side, it's immediately taking the other side or regretting your vote or some. People read immediately that, well, that's it.

I'm done with this. I need to vote for the other side. I can look at Trump as a person that wants to hold him accountable and say, look, there were certain things he says that. I roll my eyes. I'm like, come on, man, this is not one of them. And I'm the first one to rip him, and you know, I'll go after Trump for a lot of the thing. With the war, we've talked about it where I said, look, a year ago, he's like, Iran and Israel don't know what the F they're doing. They need to end this thing. And he got himself involved in a, they don't know what the F they're doing. We have to end this thing. And I'll say that. What's going on with wild horses?

Oh, yeah, they're slaughtering wild horses, selling them to the Middle East countries. they're pulling back all types of endangered species stuff. You've got to go after your boy Bergam on this one. This is... Well, I've got to think about it, too. I mean, the Old West do to me loves the idea of wild horses, but I'm not going to be irrational about it. I want to know the pros and the cons.

What's the wild horse population? What's it need to be? That kind of thing. But again, there were things you could legitimately attack. Older horses, 20 years old. Right. No, listen. Wow, really?

They got the senior horses. But this is not one of them. You know what I'm saying? There's a lot of things you can get this guy on. To do this, it shows a level of desperation in the media. That's disturbing. The war, not on our agenda. Yeah.

So the war, and I almost can feel you tune in and out, this is like an open conversation, is like how much the American public wants to talk about the war. And I'm not telling you the answer to that. That's an open conversation. I do think that if we're interested in the truth I think President Trump thought it would be a lot easier than it turned out to be 100%.

But I also think that we're, because of that, the story doesn't stop. The story continues. And I think the evidence is coming in pretty strongly that we're winning this war, like actively right now. It's not a war though. It's not a war though. That's a thing. Straight of where moves is export levels are back to pre-war levels.

We get ours out. They don't get theirs out. Hold on. The economy is cratering. Bad. Now, how long can they hold on? That's the open debate. Can they turn into North Korea? Like, make everybody eat cabbage, you know?

I'm dead serious. Really? And then the real question is, and I, this is some conversations I've had very recently, Bessent in particular is crushing them with everything going on economically. But there's a legitimate question. What happens at the back end of all this? economic punishment? What does collapse or whatever look like? Is it's doubtful? I think we have a well-earned

cynicism to whether or not people would rise up in the streets and that's probably not a realistic hope. So is it a coup? Is it an element within the existing power structure that says we can't do this anymore? We're taking out these dudes and we're going to be in charge and we'll be a little more amenable? Or is it that these dudes fold their hand and like, okay, bring in the nuclear inspectors, you know, whatever. I don't know the answer to that, but I know they're suffering. Right. Bad. And here's the thing that I say to everyone out there. Again, that's an attack. Dude is against the war. He's pro-DSA. No. Look, I'm going to say this outright. I don't, I'm not in intelligence briefings. Okay. I'm not sitting in the Pentagon knowing what's going on.

This is me as an outsider looking, seeing what could possibly be the result. You say we're winning the war. And I think militarily that that's a factual. statement. Economically, mostly. Okay. Like the military is creating the conditions where the economy can't recover. Where you see what I'm saying? Yes. Where the potential loss is, though, for us as Americans, is DSA candidates in the next four weeks rising to positions of power in this country, which can throw off a lot in our government and be a cost of the war. That's collateral damage. Now, again, I don't know. I know, but back to the thing about like what I feel like my job is, like I, when I bring that up, my hope is just tell you the truth. Yes. The best I can.

I can't tell you how that plays politically, right? Until you're right. It's a danger. Is there a political cost to the war and run? It looks like there could be. Yeah. We'll see in a month. Right. You know, and then that has to be weighed in the cost and benefits. But it's like the economy thing. Like, and you don't want to fall into the trap of Joe Biden. Like, people have a negative opinion of the economy. Consumer sentiment, economic sentiment is low. But the actual objective metrics of the economy over the last two years, really good. And listen.

Like real wages, unemployment, the reduction in inflation, which did go much better. Right. And then with the war, backtrack some. I want to make sure I get this point out. Trump could be, Trump, Ruby, this administration could be, 100% right on this and on target that post-Iran is going to look a lot better than pre-Iran based on again, I was against the war in Iraq. It's pretty undeniable. Iraq is in a better position today than it was 20 years ago. And we've all criticized the length and the cost

war in Iraq. I'll just say this historically. That's not that long. Iraq ended up being 20 years, 20 years for a better place historically. And I think we literally... I'm just talking historically. Like, look at countries. Overall history. Yeah. Whatever.

That ain't that long. And look, we just literally pulled out our last troops recently, like within the last month. Look at where that country is now. Was it worth the price? Looking back again, when it first starts, it's like, guys, this is not what we... This is not a 9-11 war. And anyone you talked about kind of knew what was going on and it's like weapon. What are we doing weapons and mass destruction?

But now, hindsight, was it worth it? It certainly looks like it. So, again, it's really hard to judge these things based on the now, based on what we're seeing, because, again, no one can foresee this. No one can crystal ball this thing that way. So you have to take the world leaders and the people and intelligence at their word that it's the right thing to do. Afghanistan, different than Iraq, by the way.

Oh, no, no, no, that's a completely different thing. Yeah. Yeah, no. Do we find the WMDs or? Did we find the WMD? We're still looking. But if you're interested again in getting to the right place, I actually think you're right. Like, I think history will judge.

You never know what will happen. But Iraq ended up being a very successful thing. Did it? Like, what wrong? Like the status of Iraq today? Oh, yeah. The status of Iraq today is completely, yeah. But to them or to us?

Well, but that, okay, fair question. To them. But fair question. Yeah. Like, because, you know, we suffered a cost. Sure. is, and the same thing if a viewer center going, what do I care about Iran?

Well, and I'm no neocon, it's like, well, what does a bad Iraq look like and impact America look like versus a good Iraq? Right. You know, and I think that's a legitimate debate. And then that measured against the cost, right? So let's say Venezuela is going to look good in five years, because I think the timeline on that might be much faster.

Yeah, that's a bit shorter. Much shorter. The cost was very low, very low. So you measure that. And Afghanistan, I think we'd have to say, is in, if not in a worse place, headed towards the same worst place. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe worse than that.

Yeah. I have a lot of buddies who fought over there. But that's a different country, too. It's as bad as when we first took. Afghanistan. But that's a completely different country, different makeup than Iraq. And, you know, they're very, they may be close in proximity, but they're very different in terms of their structure, in terms of how they're run, in terms of just, everything about the country. Right. So anyway. What's the latest, Dan, you put it in the headline

Cornell 7? Is it Sunny Hosten? What are we keeping up with? I mean, I'm getting updates. To me, and I'm sensitive to the algorithm that I in and the news that it feeds me, it gets worse for Jane Doe on a regular basis on a little bit by little bit, drab, drip, drip. And I'm also sensitive to what that information is. Like, what we're getting now is testimony from each of the boys. You know, we originally get Jane Doe's one-sided thing. Now we get, get their one-sided thing. But Sonny Hosten is interesting. She, on the view, she's straddled being a truth teller, essentially, shockingly, for the first time. Yeah. I do, I appreciate that this is get, this case is getting the attention it should. I actually don't like that Leticia James was who

was appointed to take over this. She's a political lightning rod and I don't want to see something as important as this become a partisan discussion. But also, she has prejudged the case. She put out a statement. She referred to Jane Doe as a victim, said that she was holding her in her heart and prayers. And her job is to adjudicate, was this assault? Was it consensual? And that's, I think that may be disqualifying for her. I agree with you on that. Wow. Nailed it. Yeah, daled it. Naled it. Yeah. I mean, sometimes you just can't take the lawyer out of a person. Well, honestly, I'm trying to be fair. I knew Sonny back in the day. And Sonny was a smart person. Yeah. I'm telling you. And, and much,

Much more, for like of a better word, normal. Now, I think she's done some really horrific things to extend. I don't usually like talking about people that I knew at some point, but she's been so bad on so many things that I would, and I wonder what this is about. Like, why she steps back into being rational. I'm going to tell you why. It's the lawyer in her.

I think when you have that professional background, and we both have that professional background, when you have that professional background and you have that analytical mind, it's really hard to shut off. even when you've become a caricature of yourself because that's what the public wants from you based on your TV persona

and the more outlandish things you say the more clicks, the more likes you get, the more you have to feed into that, the more your producers talk in your ear and say, hey, we have to pump this up more, this is what people want to hear, this is what people like. I think it's really... Nobody ever said that in my ear.

That stuff, nobody... I'd be curious. The only reason I said is people think they're in your ear telling you stuff. Like, it's not, it's actually not possible. I wonder, I wonder about a show like that because it's a, it's a hybrid. I've done that show a fair amount. It's a hybrid news entertainment show.

It's in the news division, but it's hybrid. Let's be honest. I think it's really hard for her to shut off, though, that mind that she got in law school, which trains you to think a certain way. You know it. I know it. And when you have that analytical ability to look at this thing, it's really hard to shut that off.

And I think that shows her inability to shut that off because she's right. Let's take a quick break. We continue this with comedian, judge, lawyer, Vince August, when we come back on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with our friend. Lawyer and comedian Vince August. I've never had a producer get into my ear and push me to go further. Go further.

No. And the reason I'm skeptical is it's people sometimes go, how do you, you know, you listen, they act like, you know. I'm not saying in real time. It's a spaceship. I'm not saying a real time. Oh, yeah, okay. Pre-show.

No, no, no, no. I don't mean real-time. I don't know, no, no. I mean, you know, prepping for the show. The only thing somebody ever's gotten my ear real-time is like I've, they have, quote-unquote, checked a fact or something in my ear. No, no, no, I don't mean real-time. Which pissed me off because there are times when, like, I know I'm right.

Right. I don't want to hear how you think there's some nuance to how I'm right. No, I'm talking about. I'm going to show you something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I do it so that they can see me because I'm talking about it.

We've seen this documented back in when Zuckerberg was at CNN. At CNN, wasn't him? What was his name? Yeah. Jeff Zucker. Jeff Zucker. I'm sorry, Zucker.

At CNN when they used to have the meetings and they used to say, look, these are the stories that were pushing. These are the lines we're pushing. And then you would see, got this, how many clips on YouTube of all the boxes and all the news people literally saying the same lines that you're seeing across the media. I've been in a meeting for 15 years. I don't know how that happens.

But we know it's happened. I know, of course. Yeah. So that's what I mean. I don't mean in real time. I mean, listen, this is what, this is the narrative. This is what we're going. Like, we just saw what this Trump thing. This is what, guys, he wants to blow up LA and San Diego. Come on, Will. You know that's happening at those networks right now. I just don't know if it's a memo that goes out. I don't think so because I've never received a memo like that. Then, then where's the person? Is it social contagion? Yes, where's the person at these networks? And we just saw the guy on ABC who said, I wanted to push back on this Biden thing. Guys, you know, he doesn't look that cognitive. Maybe we're, maybe we're. we should question it. I was told, shut up mind your own business, stay in your own lane. We just, there was just a guy on ABC who got fired who did that story that he wanted to talk about Biden's cognitive decline and they quashed it.

We saw, what was it, the other reporter on CBS that wanted to talk about the Epstein thing and they quashed that. So whether or not they're in your year telling you pre-show in meetings, look, push this narrative, there's certain consistencies that we're seeing that it looks pretty much like, Again, you become a caricature of yourself. This is what we're, this is the story that we're following. This is what we're selling right now in terms of this story and the angle we're taking. Not that it's happening in real time.

People tell me about that here. They're like, oh, does the Trump administration just give you notes every day? Like that kind of thing. Like the brunch crew is like, oh, did they get the memo today about to say this thing? It's ridiculous. Next time you get that, I want to know what the thing is that they think. I will. I want to know what the thing is.

Okay. But again, getting back to the point, I think she's breaking away from that because really her training is such that she can't even go to that's a bridge too far for her to look at Letitia James. I don't know anyone that can look at this. See what Letitia James put on a Facebook post and be like, come on, this can't be the person that's going to prosecute this. Now, having said that, having tried sex crimes cases, I will tell you this. The prosecutors in those divisions are they go for blood every single time. They don't want to hear any possible explanation. Your client did it. And there's no way around it. And I've been involved in two of those cases. Both wound up and not guilties.

One of them fell apart because the friend sat on the stand mid-trial, unbeknownst to the prosecutor, looked and said, I can't do this. And then told the truth in front of a jury. That's scary. Bam, case over. Egg on her face because, again, didn't want to listen to any other possible alternatives. You have prosecutors that are like that.

Your client is a POS. They did it. They're guilty. Getting maximum sentence. So there is the other side of that, too. Whether they put it in a post beforehand or not. You heard me mention the concept of social contagion when it comes to media repeating lines. So do you have this image of all these headlines?

Yeah. Do you have it? Okay. And I want to do this responsibly, but I still think this is shocking. All right, these are all headlines from the last three weeks. I'll just read a few of them. Mom allegedly stabs husband, two young children during early morning attack. Psycho, South Carolina mom stabs her two kids over 50 times an unhinged attack that leaves one-facing amputation.

How many? one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. A, Texas mom shoots daughter for in murder, suicide, hours after losing custody battle. Eight of these stories. So obviously, the question is, what's going on is this social contagion after Lindsay Clancy? At least in one of these stories, the accused was purportedly obsessed with Lindsay Clancy. Now, to be fair, okay? because it did occur to me first time.

I went to AI and I said, how many times does this happen? Is it a statistical anomaly? Right. Has it picked up since that? And I don't trust everything that comes out of AI nor do I think everybody should. It's sort of like a starting point.

Right. You know, and it suggests no that this is not. So I think that's a fair place to start. Are we covering it more, right? Are we aware of it more? Right. But I do think I am a big, believer in the concept of social contagion.

Oh, without a doubt. Yeah, I'm with you on this one all the way. And so I'm concerned. Yeah. That's how I'd paint my thoughts on these headlines. I'm really concerned. And the concern for me isn't so much that they turned her into a celebrity. The concern for me more was that she was a victim and the whole thing at the end.

So the kids somehow weren't the victim. she was the victim, whether she was the victim of postparton psychosis or the victim of a failed medical system that didn't treat her right. She wound up getting painted as a victim. I think we can agree with that. A cause. Right. And I think what happens in these cases is not that these women want to be, celebrity, want to have this trial thing. I think they, again, there's a point, Dan, right, where you assimilate with that victimhood. Yes.

And you're like, you know what? Your actions are justified by the fact that you're the victim of this circumstance. And your actions are justified. I think that's what the social contagion is. It's not even about fame. It's not even about, you know, the potential of a trial and being in that place. It's just, again, associating with her saying, yes, I understand what you're going through, Lindsay. Yes, I, too am a victim.

Let me act out on it. here's a prediction sexual assault claims on college campuses are going to skyrocket and attacks on fraternities are going to skyrocket again because of social contagion and the greater cause and you can see what's happening Cornell people have posted about some of these protests that are taking place it's turning into the quote unquote omnis cause

so Palestine Black Lives Matter everything under this banner and fraternities for that world as a concept are a very, very easy villain or desirable villain, right? There's no downside. Sorry? There's no downside of going after them. Well, I just think, you know, I think that the left has hated fraternities for a long time. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Pro culture? The visual. Yeah. So they can go after them without impunity. I think there's a visual attached to it. I also think it's like this idea that it's a bunch of rich, white privilege. Yes, that's what I'm saying, the visual.

Not, you know the dudes in the Cornell thing. They're not. A few are white. A few. There's an Asian. Yeah. There's black. There's Hispanic.

There's a lot. In just the seven. Right. But if you say the word sorority to most people, there's immediately the Hollywood version of what a sorority looks like. When you say fraternity to most people, there's immediate, look, I grew up with the Revenge of the nerds. That's the visual that comes.

And I think, again, that's where Hollywood intersects public life, where you automatically, you have this visual, whether you've been on this campus or not, I've seen these fraternities or not. You know, so it went from that animal house kind of view, you know, where there was, you know, the one where John Belushi's in, and then there's the other one where the more conservative. So I think the immediate reaction is, well, what is the visual that pops into my head when I hear sorority fraternity? You're exclusionary. Yes. And by the way, that's simultaneously a negative and a positive, you know? And by that token, they can become elitist. Right.

Do you know what I mean? Like, you're not one of us. You know, I've been through this, like, I think it's, I actually hate it about it. But it's like also endemic to the whole thing, which has positives too, right? Like, it's a club and you're not good enough for the club. Here's another one I can throw out there. And so people hate that. Right.

And people immediately have a visual. Country club. Yeah. You say country, what do you immediately think? Yeah. You're thinking rich people, playing tennis, playing golf. So there's certain things that immediately draw visuals, and there are people out there that, for the most part, yeah, that's not me.

Yeah, go ahead, get rid of them. Well, not only worse than that. Well, yeah. I hate them because they wouldn't accept me or they would exclude me. Those are legitimate feelings. There's a feeling of I don't belong. Yeah. I'm excluded.

Those people will exclude me. So you know what? Destroy them. Yeah. But we can say these things do and have happened for a long time in frats. Like it is a common thread throughout time that there's been assaults and this culture of covering things up. Like just saying that out there. So it's not coming out of nowhere.

Without denying that? Yeah. Is it, if you were targeting where sexual assault is the most common thing in society, do you think fraternities would make your top five places? I don't know. I don't. You don't? No. No. Now in your mind.

In college. No, I don't accept college. But I don't think college. All right. I think you're told that. I think you're given what I think is a bullshit statistic. About 30% of college girls have been sexually assaulted. I'd be curious to know.

I mean, Heather, I think it's Heather McDonald's is her name. She was like, if that were true and it's bullshit. By the way, we played the sound from Camille Poglia and Christian for Hitchens as well. You're going, that's total bullshit. Yeah. Then college campuses would be more dangerous than. African countries at Civil War. Totally.

Where rape is used as a weapon of war. And listen, I've never belonged to a frat, and I don't think... They wouldn't have you. No, never, never. No way. I wouldn't have never apply. The bias to Italians? Not my frat. This guy's putting me in a frat.

No way. Look at us. Vincent. We're out. Suzy sees the vowel in the last thing in my life getting in. I think it's a campus issue. I don't want to say it's going to be limited to fraternity. I think it's just you have partying on campus, you have young people on campus, and I just think the combination of young people, drugs, alcohol, fun, wildness, whatever, I don't want to limit that

to fraternity. You're on the right path. Kennedy said this yesterday. That is a stage in your life where you're tasting freedom for the first time, and you are going to make some of the biggest mistakes in your life. There's a lot of elements out were. Both males and females. Now you add in the drinking culture of college, absolutely, and drugs.

and you add that in. You add in, quite honestly, the sex liberation movement. Yeah. You add in feminism. And now you're making a cocktail that actually is really, really prone to those mistakes. Yeah. Now, I still don't think if you were saying we really need to get rape out of society, I don't think it would make your top five.

I have the stats, if you want. This is a Bureau of Justice. I already don't like them. But because I was so enthusiastic about it. I disagree. A preemptive I disagree is coming. I don't even like them. I hadn't heard them yet.

Don't like them. Well, no, it's at or near the victim's home, open public spaces. School property, college campuses make up about 8% of general. 8% of population statistics. That's all school. That's not just fraternities. That's all of school. And by the way, did that come in third when you were kind of doing your percentages?

Fifth. So it's at near the victim's home, 55%. open public spaces at or near relatives home enclosed public spaces I was in a safe family property college cases I was in a safe family

I thought family was in the beat of top rain reports one in five undergraduate women experienced sexual assault yeah that's the stuff that's I don't buy yeah that's not to say some don't and we just talked about the concoction

of things that make it possible sure but that's just too high but here's the statistic they stopped keeping many years ago, how many times does it happen between teacher, student, and high school? And they stopped keeping that statistic because the number was so high, it started to overwhelm the numbers that people were talking about that was happening in a Catholic church. And people are like, well, hold on a second. It's happening in public schools.

Because that's statutory rate. That's not. Right. And they were like, it's happening more in public schools than it ever happened than the church. Let's stop keeping these numbers. So there's, again, a lot of it is... What I think this is all in service? It's a trust relationship that gets breached is what my point is.

Yeah. Yeah. This entire conversation is in service of the idea that this has become about something more than actually what happened. And so you're not actually out there looking to purge society. And you told me this. It's like these people are saying, well, hopefully this will send a message to me. Break the eggs. And break a few eggs, even if it's injustice.

It doesn't matter. But here's the weird thing. Even if that is your major cause, why is this where you're focused? There are, like, I mean, no talk of the 250,000 supposed sexual assault victims in UK to the migrants from, what do we call it, Southeast Asia, mostly of, I think, believe, Pakistani background. Virtually no willingness to talk about rapes by illegal immigrants in America, whatever I may be. Not interested in any of that. And not interested in any of the top four, you just referenced just this, which says it's more about, I hate fraternities, I hate this, I hate that. See, now you just said the break a few eggs thing, and I'm immediately had the side that's saying the break a few eggs thing in my mind, which is, you know what? Sometimes you have to break a few eggs. These are the same people that would say the bombings that are happening in Gaza that are taking out Hamas or also taking out innocent lives is completely wrong. Well, Israelis can say, well, sometimes you've got to break a few eggs to get terrorists. So the same people that against break a few eggs here are okay, what break a few eggs there? And it's like, no. Look,

Look, it's either... Hold on. The first thing they'd say is they're not talking about death. They're talking about ruin his career. Right. But I should say there are people talk about online, Dad. Yeah, I was going to say I've seen castration. Yeah.

And all kinds of things like that too. So, you know, I mean, look, you can't just all of a sudden reach the conclusion without hearing. I mean, people already have these kids getting ready to get castration. Well, I love that hypocrisy that you point out. Yeah. What I would say is breaking a few eggs is never... a, you don't, the only place where, I think, war, the problem with war, and this is why we try to avoid war is breaking a few eggs is inevitable.

Justifying means. No, no, no. No. Not justified. Inevitable. Like, there's no such thing as a war where there weren't civilian deaths. It doesn't exist. It's impossible to avoid because of just the imprecision.

That's why you're super purpose. about war. Right. Don't, because you can't do a war without that. But the lack of imprecision, right. Whereas this, you can be precise. But, and they're applying war mentality. That's what my point is. That's my point. Or is it in your mind of war? Right. That's my point. Yeah. So it's, no, that was my point. You didn't make any kind of point. No, no, you, you expand it. You just took everything I said and said, that's like this is the guy. I disagree. I painted the most elite, the Mona Lisa, and he put a frame on it. What the hell was that? Totally disagree. I put him to Mona Lisa and he goes, look at He puts it behind a glass box and says, look at what I did.

I will not let this stand. I just got the elements. Did you just send me the elements? No, I sent at the beginning. Oh, I want to do this. Who is Haley Williams? Lead singer, Paramour. I don't know Paramore.

Super famous band, famous singer. What song? Super famous. Do you know them? He's his oldest me. I love it. You guys are just boomers. Look at him.

He's as old as me. Look at the grace on the sideburn. See, don't tie my hair. There it is. Let's take a quick break But continue this with comedian, judge, lawyer, Vince August when we come back on Will King Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country.

We're still hanging out with our friend. Lawyer and comedian Vince August. What do we think of gray only when it's right here? I think I'm going to be there soon. Yeah. Is that stupid looking? No, it's a good look. Just right here?

It's unique, yeah. No. It's like Eddie Munster. Yeah, no, no. Nobody ever looked at Eddie Munster and goes, cool. Yeah, exactly. Dude, come on. Now, maybe if it's up here.

Like a full-on skunk strike? Dude, if I had that, I would get every piece of gray out of that. You kill me. I would kill. You would die. Absolutely. Yeah. If I look like you, I'm not going to die.

Oh, yeah. I would be in that aisle just for men, whatever to how that stuff is called. I'd be calming that through that shit every day. You're gonna be. I say I'm not gonna die. You're gonna die. You're way too vain. Yeah.

Way too into himself to die. Way too vain. You're kidding me. Okay. So Haley Willems is super famous apparently. never heard of her she opened up for taylor swift on tour on airs oh yeah that that'll that'll help me out he's taylor swift um she said this on stage the greatest threat to america democracy is christian nationalism what does she say more after that no she just plays her song really that's it okay okay

well that was uh what is christian nationalism can i get a definition of what good question right can i get a definition? Well, before we do that, you can look it up, Dan, but I don't want you to do it yet. I would say this. This is how you get yourself in trouble. First, I'm going to say this and then get the definition. America is Christian nationalism. America is a Christian nationalist country.

It is, and always has been. It's not a matter of opinion, but a matter of historical fact. God is interwoven through our documents, Christian God, freedom of religion, but not divorced from the reality that almost every founder, Charlie Kirk had a wonderful thing on this, every state constitution, every step of the way America was a Christian nation and explicitly so. And nationalism means that you believe in the concept of the United States of America. I combine those two and I acknowledge that this nation state nationalism was rooted in and explicitly devoted to the principles of Christianity while also being open to freedom of religion.

or separation of church and state. Yeah, we had that, yeah. Yeah, so that's separation from church and state. But Christian nationalism doesn't mean that you codify the Bible as your law. It means that you as a people have that as the background, the cultural foundation of your law. Sure. And most of our laws are actually derived from Western Christian thought.

most of our lives, English common law. English common law sits atop the values, explicit, not just esoterically, of Christianity. You're not, this is like the thing that, this is, again, my favorite, the metaphor always, water, you live in a Christian nation, and you sit here and go, we can't become a Christian nation. You are, and you're the beneficiary of it.

There's an argument against it. That doesn't mean you have to be Christian, but make no mistake. You live in a country built upon, the cultural foundations of Christianity. You do. That's it. I mean, but culturally, the Bible is the backdrop

for most things art and political around the world. But law too, Jens. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. So, I mean, it's the backdrop of everything. That's why I want to know what her definition. I don't even know that she has a definition. He said, we're not, I don't even know what her definition.

I'm sure everyone has a different definition of what it is and I don't know what hers is. I think our founders were Christian. You believe it means imposing Christianity on everybody in America? No, I think just basing, running the country with a Christian lens. It already does and always has. And you always have. And you're the beneficiary of it. But I want to know what, but even like what you mean by Christian lens.

Like what's a Christian? Did you say Catholic? Yeah, I'm Catholic. Yeah. You say Catholics aren't Christians? Yeah. No, I'm saying. You separate that.

I think there's a difference in. So like, can I read the definition? Yeah, please do. Yeah. Let's start with that. Let's start with that. Christian nationalism is a political ideology that seeks to merge Christian and national identities, asserting that a country, particularly the United States, was founded as a Christian nation.

Everything I just said. Government should actively preserve and enforce Christian dominance in public life, laws, and culture. Okay. That's the part that I don't agree. Right. And I was going to say, what's your definition? That last part? The last part.

Enforcing Christian values. Like saying, like, we talked about this same-sex marriage or homosexuality, right? If we were a Christian nation, then that wouldn't be allowed because the Bible says you can't be, you shouldn't be homosexual. See, but I, see, now, I'm going to disagree with that because as a devout Christian, I don't have a problem with same-sex marriage because I come from- But the government could. Right, but the government could. Because I come from a perspective of, hey, listen, love your brother and sister, okay, unconditionally the same way that Jesus would love his brother and sister. Now, whether or not the lifestyle is my lifestyle or not doesn't matter.

So long as it doesn't impose or infringe upon anyone else's rights, I don't care. So, right. So, and I'm a Christian. So, again, I think everyone's relationship is personal. It's personal. So to say Christian, and that's why I always say, well, what's your definition of it? And I'm sure everyone has a different view of every religion. Like there are some people...

But you can inform how you vote. Yeah, but there are some people that have... a view of, you know, Muslims that I don't have because of my interactions with Muslims. I mean, one of the people that I trained with for years in MMA was a defout Muslim, and sometimes his fights would fall during Ramadan, and he had a fast all day long before his fight and go into a match, and I'm like, dude, really, you can't eat it. And he was the gentlest, nicest guy you would ever see. Now, again, okay, then great, you have anecdotal evidence.

But again, you know, that's my evidence of this person. person's relationship to his religion, my relationship to my religion. I think it's so personal that to just throw this broad brush over everybody and say, again, I think there's a visual that people have of what a Christian nationalist looks like. And I think it's, and I think it's, and it looks like Donald Trump. No. No. I think for her, for her it's not. No. It's Handmaid's Tale. It's Hollywood Vision. Or that. Or even more true. She thinks it's Trump, but you're right. It's not Trump because Trump's not really good. No, but she thinks it is. It would be more like a van Maybe he's a little more religious.

Okay. I don't even think it's that. I mean, maybe it was like a Huckabee. I don't even think there's a real-world corollary. I think it's Hollywood fantasy, dystopia, handmade's tale. Or it could be, yeah, it could be that, which is even more extreme. I think it's historically illiterate. That's what I think.

The greatest threat to democracy is Christian nationalism. We were founded, I believe, and I think that definition backed me up, we were founded on Christian nationalism. Yeah, I will concede, yes. Absolutely. The Christians came and created this. country and yet totally. So we're not a democracy. I always have to push back on that. We're a constitutional republic. Exactly. The first thing. But she's holding like her ideal vision of whatever we're supposed to be against the thing that we actually are and always have been. And again,

that's what's historically illiterate about it. Yeah. And so they, by definition, then therefore it can't be a threat. They're afraid of opens doors. It can't be a threat. Right. But someone would attack you and say, well, if the country was based on Christian nationalism or Christianity at its inception, and we had slaves out of the gate, well, that's not very Christian-like. So, again, there's a lot of pushback on what... Or women can't vote. Right. Women can't vote. So there's a lot of aspects of that, too, that you would say, okay, hold on a second.

We're not saying in all aspects the country was Christian. It's not like we took the New Testament and said, here's the Constitution, everybody. And I think that's what people have a problem discerning. I think it's also a weird thing to say in 2026 in that we've seen every study show outside of a small blip in the last

year that religion at large has been on the decline. We have become more secular, more secular, more secular, which I don't think is a good thing. No. You're right, why, too, selfishness. Sorry? Selfishness. People care about themselves. Yeah. Well, people, they can't have faith in anything if you only care about yourself. Right. So Christian nationalism. Right, if you become the center of the universe because you're so wrapped up in your Instagram world, your TikTok world, where, and here's the funny thing is the people that are so against Christianity in any form of religion seem to be very

godlike in their approach that they like to dole out punishment castration. They like to put themselves on a pedestal of having the highest possible morality. They're the morality, police, and everything. It's like, man, for people that don't like religion, you seem to be operating one.

They're pretty biblical. Yeah. Yeah. If the audience is saying anything about that, curious where they land on that conversation on Christian nationalism. Yeah, I mean, first round by saying chicken or egg, morality and politics can be independent of religious texts. Where does your morality come from? I hate this conversation.

Because it goes, what do you? I don't like that one. I know. You invented the world. Sure. Nothing existed before you got here. Yeah, but there was morality before Christianity. Your enlightenment is such a thing for everyone to behold.

It's really wild how you arrived on third base. How did you get here? It's so wild. Right. But it's chicken and egg like you just said, Dan, because you could say, well, morality existed before Christianity, but it didn't exist before God. So we could just continue to do that. Right. That's the point.

But like Christian texts, you know, there was, you know, ancient Greeks and, yeah, there's morality. I just am lucky to be surrounded by some. It's not me. Hey, listen, you got to zen out. You are right, though. That's ridiculous. I don't belong to a fraternity, so I have to set. in Iraq and just

nor should you in a Christian nationalist country I think it's so interesting a minute ago he goes I'm Catholic I got hung up on why

I just got hung up on I was joking because you said it's different than Christianity no I don't say that I don't oh I thought you said that no but people do

when Patrick was on because we're both Catholic we had a conversation with somebody I can't it's wild I know I guess it's not well

it is I actually think it is wild to Christians we're seeing as different No, I'm a Christian. But there are Christians that see us differently. No, there are. Yeah, I think that's wild, but I think it's largely not growing up around. Like, I didn't grow up around Catholics.

Yeah. I didn't. I had no idea. I didn't ever think Catholics weren't Christians. And I know some people, I do know that some people think that. And it was weird to hear a Catholic say that in reverse. Like, because I do think you distinguish yourself from Protestants. Yeah, yeah, probably. Do you think a Protestant's going to heaven? Well, anyone is.

It's so weird because when you start looking at the factions of the different types of Christianity, it has kind of an LGBTQ kind of thing happening to it, because you all kind of believe in the same thing, which is Christ, but you have your own different sex of your own, you know, that belief in Christ. That makes it kind of weird because you're Lutheran. Right, it's like we're all on the same side, but yet at the same time, we have to have the civil war against each other. Mormons are Christian technically.

Right. That's what I'm saying. And it's so weird because of the way I was raised, because I was raised in a Roman Catholic church. Then you went to a LaSalle High School, Jesuit College, and then I started studying theology, and my Christianity is just based on my relationship with Christ. And it's not tied to an organized religion.

And my favorite thing is to go to an empty church, you know, when I could just go. Sam. Yeah. Because it's my own personal journey. It is. I think it's very personal. it's sometimes hard to find that group of people that you can go and Protestant.

Is it? That's a Protestant thing. Is it a problem? I stopped going to Catholic churches. It's like I was telling you, remember a year ago we were talking about? I've been going to other denominations than Catholic churches. I find it interesting. Yeah, I mean, the whole Pope thing to me is like, you guys are bad Catholics. I need to get Rachel Campos down here. I used to teach it.

I was like Catholicism. Water at us. Yeah. Start coming in here with holy water. We're going to burn. All right. It's not a light topic to end it on, but I'll trust Vince to come around. Correct.

So reportedly during the Biden administration from 2021 through 2024, they allowed and did not pursue three million visa overstays. We talk a lot about illegal immigration and the border. You don't believe it. I've actually read this before. People don't talk about visa overstays. They're some of the biggest sources of illegal immigration. That changed during the Biden administration when flooding across the border.

But visa overstays are actually a huge part, and they didn't pursue them. Three million is a gigantic. gigantic number, a million a year, visa overstays, which are effectively illegal immigrants. That makes you an illegal immigrant. You stay past your visa. You're not allowed to be here anymore. So just for the audience, when a visa application goes in, what's the application process? I'm getting a visa to do what? Is it a work visa? You have all those. School visa, all of them. Vacation. Right. So there's all types of visas. When you go to Europe, stamp your passport, that's a visa. So there's all types. So three million people came in with these visa.

What is it in Europe? It's different country by country, but like, say you go to UK, stamp your passport, what is it, like 14 days usually or something like that? Like, um, just like if you go on vacation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So if you stay 15, you're illegally in the country. You're technically an overstay. Yeah. Right. So of the three million that have overstayed, they're all still here. Do we know? I don't know what the Trump administration has done since, right, since that. So, well, I mean, this number is in that story, it says these are leads. These aren't actual people overstaying. So the numbers, the amount of leads. Like people calling ICE and saying, hey I think this person's overseeing their visa.

So it's not necessarily that number of people. You know a lot of these are? I've heard this. This is going to be. I heard a lot of the Irish in New York to this day, like bartenders and so forth are kind of in that bucket. Because you only think South America. Yeah, yeah.

That's interesting. Don't come after me, Irish. I could be wrong. Yeah, I mean, I guess there's no way to know where those three million demographically are coming from in terms of what countries. But here's what I would think it would be easy to actually to figure out. The Biden administration and the left's approach at large to immigration is getting, it is not

getting, it is untenable. Like, just play, I think, let's play, I've got Sanders and Schumer, play Schumer. Yeah. Now more than ever, we're short of workers. We have a population that is not reproducing it on its own with the same level that it used to, the only way we're going to have a great future in America is if we welcome and embrace immigrants, the dreamers, and all of them, because our ultimate goal is to help the dreamers, but get a path to citizenship for all 11 million or however many undocumented.

There are here. Wow. The approach that they have, and I want to say to people that are on the left, do you not see the racism in the way they deal with immigrants with regards to, listen, we need to have kids. We need them to pick crops. That doesn't bother me. Of course, you know, racism doesn't bother you. No, what I'm saying is he starts with the truth on the population thing. Like, we're not reproducing.

Okay. And theoretically... So quick, let's get people that reproduce to come into the country. Well, okay, no, this is a legitimate, this is a legitimate intellectual... Quick call patent Florida? I mean, what do we do? Now, this is a legitimate intellectual argument that if you have a population that is declining, then you have a population that is dying. Which is happening in Italy, an unbelievable Japan, so forth. And then you have economic malaise because people are economies. Yes. And so the argument is that is a dying population. That is a problem. The one little caveat I'm going to put into this is we don't know what the future looks like in the AI world where maybe not as many people

are working and it takes jobs. But it could not. I don't know. Economically, it could create a whole bunch of new jobs. We'll see. But that's what I'm saying. The idea that we always need new people has a long historical record. And so the argument they're making is if we're not reproducing, we're going to have to have immigration to bolster our population. You need a population. Of course, he's ignoring, you know, every other important factor of immigration, cultural buy-in, fit, you know, what do they always call it with H-1B? He was like skills, all that stuff, ignoring everything.

But the wild part to me is he takes all that, which I think there's a, that's a true intellectual argument we can have. It's not the end of the argument. And then says, therefore, we need to give citizenship to all. he basically says every illegal immigrant in the country. He calls him undocumented and he says the 11 million. It's more than 11 million and they're illegal, but he's saying make them all citizens. And this is now the position.

This is my point. This is the position and there's Biden looking at $3 million. The official position of Democrats is open it up, let as many people in as possible and make them citizens. But one reason only to make them registered Democrat voters. Let's get to the punchline right then and there. Let's stop wasting time with what this discussion is about. It's not about workers. It's not about we need more voters.

Trump won the Hispanic vote, didn't he? Last election? Did he get over 50%? He did historically well. He did his story, but he's not getting over 50%. And they want captive voters. And the problem is, and part of the reason why people look at Hispanic voters and black voters and they're like, oh my God, I can't believe they're voting for Trump.

And they're not voting for Trump. they're voting for Republican ideas, which is, hey, you know what, we're doing better in society. Yeah, I don't want to pay more taxes. Do you know, I want to be able to own a gun. The Trump approval, people were talking about he's gone down with Latinos. But you know what his number one issue with Latinos? Immigration. That's where he gets the highest numbers with Latinos.

Because they don't want immigrants. No, no, no. I hate it when you guys do that. It's not that they don't want immigrants. That's so bad. No, they want legal. Yeah, Schumer did it too. They want legal immigration.

Right. Like, did you know you did that? Yeah. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. I think you didn't know you did it. No, I was saying that's how you've ingested it. No, my thought process was legal immigrants, right?

Don't want people to come here illegally. They wanted to do how they did. Yeah. That's what I meant. And there's a lot of reasons they may be opposed to it. Yeah. They may be opposed to the same reason I am. Oh, there's too many people.

They're not assimilated. Oh, they should do it like I did. Oh, the job market. Yeah. Oh, you need an illegal process. You can go into why they believe that way, but they believe that. I seriously. Yeah.

Yeah Anyway But that's a crazy stance I mean I don't think a lot of people On the left are that way People I talk to A lot of people The brunch crew

All that they're for some Pathway to Citizenship Yeah But also not letting people stay here They're okay with that There's even people on the right That are into the pathway to citizenship The argument is

Oh they've been here for 10 years They're good people And so forth But I mean they still didn't do it the right way Yeah I'm the son of immigrants I mean, they came here, had to go through all of the proper channels. You know, back then, you had to get tested 10 different ways for every possible disease. Yeah.

What year did your folks come over? My parents came over in 1957. That's way past the Italian wave for people coming. Why were they so late? My father's employer brought him here. So it was for work purposes. Yeah. Not the typical Italian family.

No, it wasn't, yeah, the war's over. Let's jump on a boat and go. Yeah. Yeah. And my people weren't considered white until what? The 1930s and 40s? I mean, what was that? That's interesting. That's probably true. Yeah, no, for Southern Italians. Is it the 30s or 40s?

Yeah, because there was actually a law case. There was a rape case. I'm sorry, a marriage case. Not a rape case. I've raped in my head because it's all we've been talking to. There was a marriage case in, I think it was Alabama, where a black man married a Sicilian woman, and he was being tried for interracial marriage, which was against the law. Misagination laws? Yes, and they couldn't prove that the Sicilian woman was in fact white. So the charge was dismissed because Sicilians were considered black or non-white.

Non-white. For the longest, yeah, until like the 40s. So they were in like, Italians were in two different categories, the northern Italians and the southern Italians. Yeah. So that was, you know, a thing that happened. until at least maybe the 40s. Yeah.

I started thinking about this Instagram video, so it was too sloppy to talk about it. It was about, you know, the idea of interracial marriage and creasing and so forth and like what happens if, like, is it we would want to believe, like I think in our heads, then everybody sort of becomes the same cross-pollination of genetics.

You know what I'm talking about? But it's not actually what happens in human genetics. That doesn't happen, that it still begins to separate itself out and it pointed to like look at Brazil or or or or Mexico there's still racial stratifications do you see what I'm saying yeah and that just happens genetically like you could that the thought process is if you threw everybody into the same pot right then it would all we're all going to be homogeneous but that's not what happens that's not what

happens at all no yeah isn't that interesting that is very interesting um seems counterintuitive what did Bernie say about this same thing same thing yeah same thing yeah the way of citizenship for everybody. Okay. Make everybody legal. All right, man. Vince August. You got through it.

You still hate each other? Say something funny. Considering how much we hate each other. I can't believe we got through this. I can't wait to get away from this, man. I have to be honest. This is long as I can sit across me. We'll do Zoom next time.

With your perfect teeth. Get away from me. Perfect smile. Look at. Oh, it makes me sick. Vince August, everybody. Vince runs his mouth on X. It's not. It's Advent's August 21. Oh, yeah. Thank you, buddy.

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