Will Cain Country - Does The Left Now Have 'Musk Derangement Syndrome?' 

Episode Date: February 12, 2025

Story #1: A conversation with The Crew: How the Left's infatuation with hating on Elon has now led to them taking up the cause of defending the waste, fraud, and abuse of your tax dollars.  Story #2: It's all about authenticity in modern American culture: A conversation with the author of 7 Rules Of Self-Reliance, Maha Abouelenein.  Story #3: A conversation with one of the OG's of Saturday Night Live, ahead of SNL's upcoming 50-year anniversary, Comedian Joe Piscopo.  Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, an absolutely fascinating moment in American history when the world's richest man and the forefront innovator of humankind stood beside the leader of the free world and explained to you, explain to me exactly how our money was being wasted, the insanity of when they at gunpoint confiscate our tax dollars and shuffle it off. to any number of programs. And in response to that, members of Congress, and the media go, authoritarian, protect my DE, I play in Ireland. Two, a branding expert on how Elon, Donald Trump, or Will Kane make it in modern American culture. Three, one of the OGs, Saturday Night Live joins us today for the 50th anniversary of that institute. S&L. It is the Will Kane show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News

page, terrestrial radio, market to market, coast to coast, and always available by subscribing at Spotify or on Apple. What's up? What's up, fellas? What's up? How are we doing today? We got a new lighting scheme in here. It's a little more mood lighting here.

A little less corporate. Yeah. How do you like it? How many layers of bureaucracy did you have to go through to change the light bulbs? About three or four. Zero, because I just didn't ask any questions. Ask for forgiveness later. Really?

No, I went through three or four. Oh, really? We wouldn't say that because that wouldn't be nice. Just kidding. Ah, bureaucracy. In the government. You know. You're talking about the government, right?

Yeah. Why are you trying to get me back on? Why are you trying to get me back on two a days? Why are you trying to get me back on the right track? Because that's what a producer does. You're the best, Will. Why am I the best? I love your...

I love your spirit. I love your tenacity. I love what we built here. What is going on? What are you doing? Why are you kissing my butt? What is going on? You always think I have some sort of ulterior motive. It's so ridiculous.

I just like how you and Patrick color coordinated today. We did. Yeah. I'm just trying to figure out how to get my vision forward. I don't know. What we have here is a failure to communicate, which is my job, so it's all on me. Communication. You know, I'm...

I'm... I'm being facetious. Kind of. Not really. Maybe a little bit. But I'm... I'm not just doing it. I'm not just riffing.

It's like, what is wrong with everyone in the world? Like, literally, what is wrong with everyone? Is this job justification? Is it you're on the take? Is you're getting kickbacks? Is it afraid of losing your job? I don't know what's going on. I watched yesterday, Elon Musk, in the Oval Office with Donald Trump, in my mind, very sincerely

explaining exactly something that I thought would get a 95—heel with it. A hundred percent approval rating. A hundred percent, right? Hey, maybe we want to be. won't waste your money. And somehow that is being received with anger. I don't even know what the right word is. Whatever we look up and we see Jasmine Crockett doing right now as we speak on the Senate Oversight Committee sub-hearing on Doge, whatever you want to call her performance, anger is what it looks like to me. Over someone telling us things like two days,

this yesterday from Elon which one are you looking for there will I was just going to let you pick okay I was just going to let you pick dude if you say what is the goal of dojo or and I think a significant part of the presidency

is to restore democracy this may say it seems like well are we in a democracy well if you don't have a feedback loop if there's not a good feedback loop from the people to the government and if you have rule of the bureaucrat if the bureaucracy is in charge and then what meaning does democracy actually have if the people cannot vote and have there will be decided by their elected representatives in the form of the president and and the Senate in the

house then we don't live in a democracy if we live in a bureaucracy that is first of all the visuals yesterday that happened live during the wheel can on Fox News Channel. It's stunning. So you've got Elon Musk in all black, basically, looking very Johnny Cash. You've got Donald Trump sitting at the Resolute Desk, and you got Little X. What is he, five, six years old? What is Little Lex?

Just running around. He looks like a three or four-year-old. Four years old. Four years old. In an overcoat, by the way. How do you feel about it what Elon was dressed in? I had a little bit of a problem with it. Why?

In the Oval Office. He's wearing a T-shirt with a belt buckle and a hat. It just seemed a little casual for me for the Oval Office, but I could be a curmudgeon. I don't know. Elvis wore those jumpsuits in the Oval Office. What? Jumps suit?

Yeah. He was friends with Nixon? Elvis Presley? Yeah. I don't. care even a little bit. I only care less about whether or not you would break up with your date for a bad Valentine's gift, which is currently up on the Will Kane show's social media feed inexplicably. I don't care what he's, what he's wearing.

I don't care. And I don't care about X running around. I actually found it, I found it endearing. it's so funny yesterday when that's happening just the aesthetics of the situation a i've never seen donald trump turn over the stage to someone like that i mean he sat silently and listened to ilan musk i mean i don't know what that says communicates respect communicates whatever i mean i guess for the left they're going to say it communicates that he's actually the shadow government and he's running things and whatever but i found that endearing about

Donald Trump, that he turned over so much of the stage to Elon Musk. I actually, you know, that's one of those things. Like, people don't know about Donald Trump, like, that he's a great listener. If you've ever been around him, like, he's a genuine listener. He listens to you. And he's, he's interested in your point of view, your opinion. That doesn't mean he's going to follow it, but he's interested in it. I mean, that kind of, like, generosity right there of sharing the stage of the Oval Office, by

the way. It's not necessarily like a rally stage either. It's the Oval Office. To share that stage, I don't know. I found that really endearing from Donald Trump. I also found X's presence endearing. He's running around behind the desk, kind of leaning all over the desk. He's knee-deep picking a booger, you know, I'd say for a good 10 minutes of the 40 minutes. He was knuckle-deep, you know, working on mining for gold. And then he's climbing around on his dad, you know. And he's like on his shoulders at one point and so people have opinions i pointed out yesterday the kid picking boogers and people like how dare you this is what kids do sometimes you know yeah you know what else though i have eyes and i'm going to say what i see i'm not making fun of the little man

like that's i know four-year-olds do that but i'm going to point it out we're all not going to pretend like it didn't happen not here not me uh And then the other people, there was some people that were like, this is so wonderful with the kid. And there are other people that were like, be more professional. You know what I mean? And like you shouldn't have your kid at such an important thing in the Oval Office.

And I don't even think those were partisan talking points, everything going on there. The partisan one was people going, you're using your kid as a prop. I think, you know, if you want to make a partisan joke, how about a man in charge of Wastrod and Abuse that doesn't waste money on a babysitter

Seems like a good fit to me Twitter liked that joke You liked it a lot You know who liked that? You know who liked that? May Musk liked it Right Nice

Mama liked it Yeah So I don't care how he's dressed Two A days I don't care about the kid I don't care about the boogers People are going after me in the chat About it

Real bad Going after who? me you're saying that yeah no one cares i guess i was wrong get him chat get him yeah um what i care about is that Elon Musk highlighted i don't know if you have this clip uh yeah the one of fraud like literally blank checks going out and checks what do you say without the commentary filled in and even worse than that uh check going to people that are 150 years old purportedly, meaning they're dead, okay, or they should be in the Guinness Book World Records. Like, just money going out, money going out. Play it.

What we're finding is that a bunch of the fraud is not even going to Americans. So I think we can all agree that if there's going to be fraud, it should at least go to Americans. But a bunch of the fraud rings that are operating in the United States and taking advantage of the federal government, especially in the entitlements programs, are actually foreign fraud rings that are operating in other countries and actually exporting money to other countries. countries. We should stop that. And this is big numbers. We're talking about a hundred to two hundred billion dollars a year. Serious money. By the way, I don't know if this is the clip you have from Trump. Trump said we're talking about potentially a trillion dollars a year, potentially in waste. Hundreds of billions, he said maybe a trillion. That's what Trump said. Let's listen to Donald Trump. Billions and billions of dollars in waste, fraud, and abuse, and I think it's very important.

And that's one of the reasons I got elected. I say, we're going to do that. Nobody had any idea it was that bad, that sick, and that corrupt. And it seems hard to believe that judges want to try and stop us from looking for corruption, especially when we found hundreds of millions of dollars worth much more than that in just a short period of time. We want to weed out the corruption. and it seems hard to believe that a judge could say, we don't want you to do that.

So maybe we have to look at the judges because that's a very serious. I think it's a very serious violation. So let me put some numbers out there so everybody fully understands. Our national debt is north right now of $36 trillion. Our annual deficit, and again, I don't want to be somebody

who's pedantic or patronizing. But I think sometimes, you know, again, back to the whole idea, we use these words. I'm not sure everybody fully understands the difference. That's how the debt is, you know, our total that we've racked up over time. We owe that money. Annually, we spend more than we take in, right? Annually, that's your deficit. Our annual deficit is $2 trillion.

So we're adding $2 trillion annually right now to that $36 trillion. So next year it's 38 and it's 40, but it'd probably go up. The deficit always seems to go up. so musk says yesterday we can cut that in half the deficit we could with doge's efforts we could get this down to a one trillion dollar deficit which that's sort of a big deal okay and in response to that elizabeth warren the new democratic star jasmine crocket Anderson Cooper at CNN. The outcry is that Elon Musk is a tech bro hacking. That's their term, by the way, hacking into the government for his own personal benefit. There's a great clip out there of Joe Rogan going, he's worth $400 billion.

Like, he and how many generations are set forever, forever. now I've never been that kind of wealthy so I don't know maybe there's something to like you never have enough but my thought process would be does he need to go like search for another 50 billion to add to his 400 billion by looking through the social security administration like what is this scam what is the scam and how does it benefit him I watched that entire thing because it aired during our show and I found it very sincere like just very sincere hey and I just think it's probably good that we have the world's richest man on it and that's what other people are saying if you care about an audit hire an auditor like I don't know like who are we talking about that I'm going to

trust EY yeah I yeah I guess their outrage is absolutely astounding to me it truly it truly is it's a moment of masks off reveal what are you protecting why are you so outraged about the opportunity here to do something that i thought every american left right democrat republican would be in on hey don't waste my money we all do realize this right like we get removed from the process but we do realize this your taxes are taken from you at gunpoint we do understand that we do understand that, correct? If you doubt that, don't pay your taxes and see what happens. If you doubt that characterization, don't pay your taxes and see what happens. They will come to get you. They will put you, they will arrest you. They will inevitably have guns on their hips when they do so.

And they will put you behind a set of bars for not paying the amount of money. They tell you that you and dare you mess up. Don't mess up. It's complicated as hell. It is complicated as hell. And the only way they get away with it is that, I don't know what, you could look this up. What percentage of us right now pay our taxes through W-2s?

It's just taken out so we don't think about it, right? But I don't know if any three of you guys or anybody watching have ever had to write a check to the government. That's a whole different process. How big does the check have to be? I don't know. Let me go through. I hope tax you know taxpayer dot com or whatever does a good job I hope my accountant does a good job

whoever right and then I hope they don't pay more than I have to as well because I don't want to be a boob I want to like keep as much of my money as possible so they make it as complicated as possible they take your money and you're not allowed apparently what we're learning right now you're not allowed to ask for what you're not allowed to say hey can we double check it's all going places we want it to go this is the nature of the relationship right now that we're seeing a complete freak out about first young james i think on one hand we could get mad that people are freaking out about it but i think trump and elon have stumbled onto some political gold here

by the fact that they're taking up an issue that when you take the politics out of it is so 955 that their opponents are just knee-jerk reaction opposing anything they do it's you would think but Elon's approval rating I saw this the other day is pretty low hmm I mean if I'm to trust

whatever poll that was I don't know what it was but but what he's doing right like it's up two days so I'm reading here from New York Times

a couple years ago they said 92% of tax filers continue to receive W2 income 92% that's possible

it's possible you have to pay above and beyond your W2 if you have non W2 income You know, W-2's employee, full-time employee-based taxation, but maybe you have some side gigs or whatever.

But honestly, like, collecting from your employer is the biggest thing that keeps the American taxpayer from absolute ride in the streets. It is, like, filling out and paying and writing a check and budgeting to have to write the check. Oh, that's tough. You know? By the way, and then not on top of that,

you have to make estimated payments four times a year. You have to guess what you're going to know. How about this? If you guys, you're all W-2s. I don't know if you've ever not been a W-2, right? So if you've a 1099 guy or whatever, 1099 is a freelancer or whatever it may be. So they don't withhold on you. So you're going to owe taxes. You know that by the end of the year, right? But you don't wait to the end of the year to find out how much you made and pay your taxes. No, the government doesn't like that. They want their money up front. They want it as quickly as possible. So you have to make estimated payments, quarterly. And again, you don't know what you're going to make for the year because 1099 work

is often boom and bust, right? Goes up, comes down, whatever it may be. So what you have to make it, you have to write a check four times a year with what they think you're going to end up owing at the end of the year. And if it so happens that by the end, you've underpaid, not only will you be paying the extra, you'll be paying a penalty for underpaying earlier. You see what I'm saying? like try to deal with the IRS when it's not W2 and it's not just taken out of your paycheck and you're going to understand the nature of this gig and what we're learning now is you don't get to ask any questions about how they spend your money after they take it from you none all right there's a lot of emotions mixed up and all that today but i think we got there

across the finish line uh coming up um Elon must talking about his approval rating his brand is something else. Donald Trump's brand, but I think we're almost living in the age of, it's like brands have become personalized, and at the same time, I'm wondering, I'm wondering if we're not beyond the age of even branding. Okay? I'll never forget this clip of Joe Rogan one time talking about branding, and he's like, that's gross, branding. So let's talk to an expert on branding. Next on the Wilcane show. Quick tip, you are ultimately selling the video, not the product. This script is a guide.

Though you can read it verbatim. What's that wrong? What's going on? Let's take a break, come back, get this right next time. Branding coming up on the Will Cain show. On July 18th, get excited. This is big!

For the summer's biggest adventure. I think I just smurf my pants. That's a little too excited. Sorry! Smurfs. Only dinner's July 18. We had on the show a few weeks ago talking about her book and how you can kind of stand out in a world that's completely and utterly crowded,

seven rules for self-reliance of self-reliance. And so we thought we'd get her back today to talk a little bit about the way so many big celebrities have broken through to the top. You know, it's not just celebrities, world leaders and dominate our mind when it comes to branding. It's the Will Cain Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel on the Fox News Facebook page. Maha Abuella Nane is the author of The Seven Rules for Self-Reliance, and she's back with us today here on the Will Cane Show. Hey, Maha. Well, it's great to see you again. Good to see you as well.

I'm going to kind of start. I know that when the producers talk to you and we kind of thought about coming back, and talking about everything going on in the world, one of the things we were going to talk about is like guys like Elon Musk, guys like Donald Trump, and the way that they have become just sort of ever-present everybody's mind. And I know that branding is something that you think about a lot.

I want to kind of pick up where I started to think in the last segment. Like, I almost feel like we're in a world that's post-branding. Now, I want to see what you think about that. You do have to simplify things in people's mind. because there's so much information. So you've got to simplify who's Wilcane. Oh, yeah, he's X guy, meaning fill in the blank guy. So there is an element of that.

But the sort of manufactured, thought out, calculated branding thing, I feel like we're post to that. Yeah. Logos are out. People are in. We got a great front row seat to that during the elections, right? It's the rise of personal brands and the fall of institution. So Donald Trump's brand is stronger than the Republican Party. Elon Musk's brand is stronger than X or Tesla or NASA or any of these things.

And you think about the way that this shift has happened is because people have access to technology and to information where anyone can publish anything to the world instantly. And we want to talk to them directly. We want to hear from them directly. And the power has shifted from institutions to individuals through social media. And it's great because you get unfiltered. you get authenticity, you get to trust them because you feel it's more credible because they're actually spending time talking to you. It's a change game. Right. Yeah. That's why I was

mad when a question went out today on the Will Cain Show feed. Would you break up with your partner over a bad Valentine's gift? I'm like, I would never have that conversation. That's not me. I'm like, let's be authentic to me. That's why I kind of get frustrated. about the concept of bureaucracy. How do, though, things that aren't personal, meaning direct, like Donald Trump goes directly to the voter. Now Elon Musk obviously goes directly to the people. How do things that aren't direct?

And I'm going to ask this in two ways, like Coca-Cola, right? Talk about a brand and talk about a calculated brand. How does that type of thing find a level of authenticity? But here's the second part, maha, when you have a hundred people involved in deciding what the brand will be. Yep. Think about this. I think CEOs really understand how important it is to build a personal brand. So if you're the CEO of Coca-Cola, for example, letting people go behind the curtain on how you make decisions, how you run the culture of the business.

What are some of the things you're doing with your employees and teams? How you're scaling your business globally. how you're scaling your culture globally. I think, you know, the reason why CEOs understand why this is so important is because if they invest in building their personal brands, A, it helps them retain employees, helps them hire the right talent. It gets them customers to be loyal to them because they feel more connected to their story. People are moved by stories.

That's why some of the most powerful brands captivate us because we're moved by their stories and we feel like we can connect with them because they're sharing more. So I feel like if companies can break down those walls, let people in, let them understand how they're running the business, I feel like I will be more loyal to a brand where I understand their decision making, how they handle the consumers, how they handle the environment, how they handle their team members and their leadership. Like we don't want corruption anymore. We want direct-to-consumer, unfiltered, authentic, real stuff, and we want it in a transparent way. Do you think that's in the antithesis of perfection? so in other words like i think for most of american consumer and political um history i'm gonna go back since we started the age of mass communication like workshopping and perfecting it has been the

goal and so what you're talking about is breaking down the walls and look i know i'm like half telling this story today but i'm a little frustrated about some things this morning and part of that is because, I mean, part of why I'm even saying that is because I want to be authentic. Like, just, I just, that's just, I am today. But the other part is I do think you tear down the walls is the point, because you have to treat the consumer authentically and let them in on the process. And it's like, you know, two days is my producer. He just put up a live read where I read the instructions from the advertiser to start,

you know, and I'm, and, you know, I guess in the past, like, I'm not mad at two days for that. Like, that's a mistake. A mistake happens, but I'm also not going to pretend like it didn't happen. So I just want to, I want to tear down the wall. I want everybody see our mistakes and what's really happening. Leaders have to be human and unscripted and learn how to brand themselves in the way that they authentically show up because we get it. We see things in real time.

We are understanding and we get it when someone's trying to script us and deliver key messages to us and it's not being their, you know, the real deal. And we know that. We can recognize it. And guess what? We have options. We can choose to put our dollars behind brands where we feel connected to them and that we feel like they're being unscripted and being more human

because we have access to do that. Do you think, like, I know you don't get that political. Like, it's almost how Donald Trump's running his presidency as well. The most important thing that we can see from anyone using social media or talking direct to the consumers, if they can tell stories that connect with the audience, directly, it allows us to see their thinking and while they're, you know, approaching problems or solutions that they're going after. And I feel like every company, every CEO, every brand needs

to learn how to do that. Yeah. I don't know that they all can. Who do you think is doing it the best? I mean, there's a lot of people that are really good at, you know, Elon Musk is very, what you see is what you get. It's really authentic in how he communicates and what he does. Same for the president. I can't deny that. But I think also you should think of some of the most, you know, inspiring leaders that run some of the big tech companies and how they're approaching.

Look at Mark Zuckerberg. We see how he's surfing. We see what he's doing with his families. Like he's trying to take us behind the scenes on more than just what he does as a CEO as a company. And that helps build a different, you know, opinion inside of him that we probably didn't see before. Yeah, I might disagree with you a little bit on Mark Zuckerberg, because that feels like it doesn't feel authentic. It doesn't.

It feels like it feels manufactured. Yeah. I mean, maybe it's real. Maybe it's not. That's the whole point. I don't know for sure. Yeah, but it's a good example of how CEOs are not just out there on their channels talking about business, talking about the company.

They're trying to do more. Whether you agree with that or not, that's obviously up for discussion. But I think it's the method of trying to do storytelling as a CEO, trying to show a different side of you besides what you're showing on the business side. let me ask you the biggest PR issue going on right now then okay okay how about this how would you handle this this is what i'm genuinely interested are you a sports fan are you sports fan i just got back from the super bowl you are all right me too okay the biggest story in sports why not people acknowledge it or not is the trade of lucca donchitch from the dallas mavericks to the los angeles

Lakers. It is. Okay? It's gigantic. And granted, I live in Dallas, but it's spirally. Now, what I mean by that is massive backlash in Dallas for this. Massive protests. People are upset. And I have gone into it and why that is. And I think maybe, you know, ownership and management didn't understand a lot of these things that going into it. I don't know. But here's how they've responded since, Maha. they're kicking fans out of the stadium who say things like Nico Harrison is the general manager so fire Nico right anybody that's doing something in stadium like that is getting booted from the stadium

and I think it's a pretty fascinating PR thing like what do you do in this situation you've done something that is completely alienated your customers so do you try to suppress it do you own it do you own your mistake and you can't if they and they They may genuinely not feel like it's a mistake. They don't think they made a mistake.

I think it's a difficult one. Fandom is we become crazy around our sports teams, right? We become unrational about what we, you know, want from our teams and our cities and our players. And I feel like, you know, he made a decision that affected a lot of people, you know, not just season ticket holders, but other people, sponsors, other people that were engaged in that, you know, organization. And so, you know, his teammates and everything, I mean, it's a huge trade. I mean, Anthony Edwards, I'm from Minnesota, so I'm a Timberwolves fan. I saw some comments about he was part of this potential trade and they were going to move and I would have killed myself if that happened.

Like you can't like give up your franchise players that easy. But I feel like they have some things that they need to do for their fans. They have some explaining to do and they have to compensate them and they have to make them whole. And they really do need to figure out a way to bring back that brand love because they lost a lot of trust and credibility. and fans are the ones that, you know, fill those stadiums and put people's jobs in line. Just for the record, you should have danced in the streets if they were able to trade Anthony Edwards for Luca Donchich.

You should have thrown a party in Minnesota. Really? I mean... I love, I love Ann. I'm too loyal to Ann. Well, Luca single-handedly destroyed your top-seeded Wolves team last year. I know, I know. He's unequivocally a better player.

And, by the way, check out your X-Feed this morning. uh anthony edwards has his own little scandal going on it looks like this morning so you might have gotten out of that just in time yeah i don't know we're not going to talk about right now because i don't know that it's 100 percent i don't know all the truth yet so uh the only thing i saw my anthony edwards there's a documentary coming out about him so i want to see what that's all about okay well check x maybe it's maybe it maybe it's real maybe it's not um i'll check i yeah i don't know but but the backlash suppressing the backlash feels like in this age to tie this conversation full circle suppressing it is not going to work

it just sort of like i don't yeah i don't know the right analogy used but that's going to pressure cook it and make it bigger and somehow you've got to let it let it happen let it air out and hope that you went over the long run i agree with you yeah you can't do that to your fans you can't you you you did a move that disappointed them let them air their frustration and their feelings and you take the decision and take the feedback from the decision and don't put it under the rug and ignore it. The fans are what makes the league. Yeah. Yeah. Fandom is a different kind of customer. It's a totally different. There's habitual, right? There's habitual customers. There's passion customers, which are fans. And I don't know. And then there's just drive-by customers, you know,

casuals. You know, that old policy, the customer is always right. Like, these are, paying customers. They are ticket holders. They're buying merch. They're eating food. They're contributing to the economy. These customers matter. Right. All right. Maha Abu Elanane. Great to see. You did such a good job on it. Like you're like you're you've got this down now. I'm pretty proud of myself. Maha Abu Elanin. Seven rules of self-reliance. Check her out. Appreciate you be in here with us today on the will thank you will good to see you again you too okay now listen we've been told our whole lives that wrinkle creams were the easiest way to look younger you know what though one doctor says that's nothing but old news according to dr john lake

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Why not talk to a legend? It's the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel on the Fox News Facebook page. Hit subscribe at Apple or on Spotify. Man, when I was a kid, I've told this guy this story several times. I had a couple of tapes. tapes for real my dad did they may have been beta max see we went beta max before we went vhs in my house and for you younger people you don't even know what i'm talking about you know tapes

you put in and we had the best of john balushi okay from saturday not live and we had the best of eddie murphy and i wore those tapes out okay and of course one of the guys you become a fan of And one of the guys you know from any of these best of tapes is the legendary Joe Piscopo. Let's bring him in now. He's become one of my friends by appearing on Fox and Friends. And this is his first time, I think, on the Will Kane show. It is Joe Piscopo. What's up, Joe?

Well, how hard can you work, man? The buzz at Foxwood friends with Rachel and the team this weekend was, do you see Will Cain's numbers, man, on Fox News? Do you see him he's crushing it? And then they go, when you do old K show up, thinking, oh, do you mean the Fox News Network at 4 o'clock in the afternoon? I say, he does a podcast too? You don't rest. I love you, my brother.

Look at you, man. Look at you. Not just podcasts, man. Thank you, buddy. You're streaming on all types of YouTube's and Facebooks as we speak. And you're on radio stations across the country right now. This is, um, what do we like, Joe? We like, uh, you are black and I am white.

You're blind as a bat, and I have sight. Very good, well, very good. You know, could you get away with it today? I don't know. Maybe now, maybe now in the new Trump era, but, you know, just a year or two ago, I don't know that you could, you know? By the way, you know this watching it. It was the one and only time.

I really, you know, because Eddie was so great to work with, Eddie Murphy was so great to work with. He's a comic genius, and he kind of gave back. And for me to say, you are blind as a bat, and I have sight. It was right at his face, but I went for it. I'd like TV. And thank goodness it got to laugh. And it just, it was.

The next line, Joe, the next line is side by side. What is it? Hold on. Hold on. By my mego. As a bat. And I has side by side. My amigo, negro, negro.

Let's not fight. So my question is, Even at the time, yeah, I loved how you, I loved how you drew out fight. It was awesome. You're playing Sinatra, he's playing Stevie Wonder, but I'm curious, even at the time with that line, that line, you know, my amigo, was that controversial even then?

Not then, no, because they, you know, I mean, with due respect, you know, I'm probably had to be an Italian-American, but, you know, even Frank Sinatra, you know, his nickname from D. Martin was Daigo. I mean, honestly, you know. So back then, you just did that stuff. you didn't even think about it.

So it was not like that. And I needed to rhyme. I had needed to rhyme it with Amigo. You know, so I mean, we were like searching, but you didn't think about it back then, man. And then even during dress rehearsals back then, we would get even more raw, you know? But to your point on that sketch,

I cleaned it up a little bit because I always wanted to protect Frank Sinatra. You know, he's my hero, my father's hero. So it was harsher than that. We actually softened it if you could believe it, but I got, I, you know what, we did, I working with Eddie made everything easy. Thank you.

With a shout out to Barry Blaustein, David Sheffield, the writers. You know, well, I love that you're doing every day. And we're in the, you know, I'm on the radio and a slide. But when you've got to come up with comedy material, with sketches, with props, you know, with other actors, with scenery and makeup, ah, that's a, it's a daunting task. I don't know how I did it for over four years, my brother. Well, it's a little bit like the conversation I was just having, Joe, and it's sort of my approach to do in TV. and everything is like I don't strive for perfection and I hate being scripted so I like to be out loud and own our mistakes and how about this acknowledge our mistakes acknowledge our imperfections

I think that's one of the charms of Saturday Night Live the fact that it was live introduced attention in it that hey it could go wrong and you know Jimmy Fallon or whoever laughs or cracks up during a sketch yeah yeah you don't want to happen every time but when it does it adds to it Do you know what I mean? I do exactly right. Yeah, you, like you doing your show today, I'm like a geek. I'm like a, I love media. I just love it and I'm like a fan.

So you're doing your show. Yeah, you're doing your show in a couple hours, right? You'll just do your show, you do this? Yeah. Do you do the podcast every day? God bless you, almost every day? Yep. I'd love, you know, sometimes I get just, I'll get back to this now, but let me just,

let me geek out for a second, Will. Can I do that? Can I do that? Because it's like, we're not, because I don't like, watch you kill me to or watch yourself or watch everybody getting up like one o'clock in the morning on the weekends you know and it was like it's like nuts and then you go and then sometimes you'll see brian on late at night or like uh we had dan hockman from the CIA our mutual friend you know who's great and he's on Sean then he gets on my show in the morning i tell you what it's happening night live the schedule was was was tough but we didn't work like that man

you know we we slept a little late we slept a little late brother you know what I'm saying don't want to be compared to kill me that man's never off television you know um hey by the way back to that skit real quick it's not the most controversial set out live skit i think back to um uh richard prior and and was it dan acroyd the remember that skit chevy chase yeah chevy chase yeah chevy chase yes i mean talk about pushing the envelope you know that's a great a great observation it was the word uh the word association sketch and it It was with Chevy and with Richard Pryor. And if you watch it now, if you play it now, I'm telling you,

the Gen Ziers will be shocked. But I got to tell you, that's the audition tape Eddie Murphy did. When I was hired already, and then they bought this young kid from Long Island up in Eddie Murphy. And I met him, and we hit it off, and it was great. And then the producers and the writer said, hey, Joe, would you read a sketch with this young kid? And I go, sure, let's do. What sketch you want to do? And it was that sketch, Will.

It was that sketch. So now I got Eddie doing prior I had to do Chevy And as Eddie And I know everybody knows the sketch It was like world famous Especially for my generation You know

So now Eddie's doing prior And I'm reading And I know the suits are there man At the 17th floor at NBC And Eddie just nailed it Nailed it Like just got with it And I knew right there

I said this is a kid's a comic genius And then we kind of And everybody loved it But they were afraid NBC was afraid to hire Eddie Because he was quote unquote too edgy, too edgy, check that out. So we all campaign, I remember going

to Gene Domainian at the time, who hired Eddie and I, you got to put them on. You know, they made him a featured player at first. They wouldn't even put him on at first, you know, because he was too edgy, but then we did a sports guy. You know, you know sports man, I did the sports guy, he played the basketball player. No white people

in the NBA, baby. I said, let's do it, man, and we had a blast. Who's your favorite? This isn't, are you part of the 50th anniversary this weekend, Joe? You're going to be there. You know, I'm glad you asked. Yes.

We have a big concert on Friday at Radio City. I'd say they've been so gracious to me. And I feel like I know you because we've seen each other so much backstage. So if I could just pull the curtain back a little bit and hopefully I don't get myself in trouble. You know, it's like 10 years ago they put me on. They had me do a Frank Sinatra thing, right? Which was great. And I was always honored to be there.

And then they treated me with such respect this time. They went back and forth. We emailed back and forth. They put me in all of the vital documentaries that they did. They said, Joe, you'd like a part of it. Because I'm really, I always felt like out of the loop in all of entertainment. I was just always on the outside. I don't know.

I just didn't get into the whole show business thing. And in SNL, we weren't hired by Lorne. Eddie and I were not hired by Lauren. We're hired by Gene Domainian. And then Dick Ebersaw, you know all too well. The Great Ebersoll was the guy that produced the show. And again, Lauren, I know Lorne, he's helped me out. he's a great, great guy, but I always felt on the outskirts.

So this time, I'm going to the concert, I'm taking my daughters, we're going to be at the three-hour broadcast. That's on Sunday, Sunday, on the 16th, and I'm just an observer. And you know what? Proud to be there, happy to be there, man, you know? Well, Joe, why have you felt on the outside? Now, I'm curious, there's an article up right now at foxnews.com about you. And it says, you said, I,

used to be a blue dog, I think you said blue dog Democrat, until Trump called you in like 16 or 17, and you've known Trump for a long time and liked them personally. And then you've been pretty open and you appear on places like Fox. I'm curious if that at all played a role and you feeling like an outsider. Like when I asked you, you're going to be there this weekend. If you had told me no, my next question would be, is it because you've been so open about your support for Donald Trump?

Like, how is that playing inside the role of SNL? Yeah, I think you just answered it, I think. But you know what, again, it is what it is. But I have a feeling it might have said, maybe, I don't know. It's like I just felt on the outside, maybe because I wasn't hired by Lauren, number one, I never got into the Hollywood. I'm not on the A list, B list. I'm not even on the wait list in Hollywood, man, you know what I'm saying?

I mean, it's not like, you know, I just never got into the group of a Jersey guy. I'm in my house now, man. I got kids, you know, I got a child that every exit in New Jersey will. You know what I mean? I just love what I do here. So I'm out of the loop. But yeah, there are people, despite us really being in the golden age of America and all and watching one of the greatest administrations at this point, three weeks in, I wish people would just stop and go, you know what? We were wrong.

This is, this is good. These guys knew what they were doing. but I think some people really have some animus But you know what? It is what it is I love them anyway I'm not gonna hate They want you to hate I'm not gonna hate like them

You know what I'm saying Who's your favorite guy To the extent that you're willing to answer this Joe Because the reason I say that is Even if somebody asks me this You're sitting there and you're going Well I don't want to leave somebody out And hurt somebody's feelings

But I'm still gonna ask you And see what you do Like who's your favorite to work with Like every time you and I've been together And you offset And it may be because I always bring up that one sketch that I loved when I was a kid. But we talk about Eddie. I mean, who was your favorite guy to work with? Well, I'll tell you, my favorite guy and the guy I admire

and is kind of a mentor and I think embodies everything about Saturday Night Live. That is great as Dan Aykroyd. Akroyd's my guy. Danny was just like the way he just portrayed his characters from within, not makeup. I was using prosthetics. Danny never used prosthetics. Danny never used aesthetics, as far as I know. It's just a great guy. But to work with, and I've worked with everybody, I've been on stage with Mr. Sinatra. That was a thrill of my life, of course. But I'll tell you, nobody better than Eddie Murphy, man. I got to tell you something. And I may, maybe I'm older. Maybe I'm old. Maybe I'm not. I can't be objective. But when you get somebody the talent of Eddie, like Robin Williams, like Pryor, you know, they, the good ones, the really

good superstars will they'll let you jump in they'll let you jump in robin williams was great at that robin was like he would go crazy he would get scream laughs and he step back let you do your thing man and then he would go back and it was like a beautiful ballet of comedy

we're right eddy was the same way brilliant as eddy was he would let you go for a second come back it was i thought you not since have i worked with anybody like that really it just and it's an instinct also that he's a great guy but to work with you can't you can't match murphy nobody better that's a really interesting thing

you just said and that's honestly how i felt on fox and friends not to compare what we were doing to what you guys are doing but the generosity you just described yes um it it it only comes from a place of real confidence i know how good i am i know how good you are and i know how good we are together you know and you often find other people that will box others out aren't quite as confident, and so they're trying to meet some thing inside of them. They have to feel like they have to, a bar they have to hit, where, I don't know, I can imagine what you're talking about where Eddie knows, we're going to be better together if I, if I release it for a little bit, and then I come back.

He was, it was impeccable, whether he did, and all those tapes you watched as a kid, the best of Eddie Murphy, you know, whether we did Solomon and Pudge, which was my favorite characters. And Michael Chey loved the characters that we did on that sketch, where we played the two old guys in the bar. Deon Deon, which maybe you couldn't do today, the two hairdressers, that was Eddie's bit, man. He said, he goes, no, you got to come on. You got to pay Blair, I think my name was. And we played back and forth on it like that. And I got to compliment you to your point. You can make the analogy because you going out on the limb for Pete Hegseth was awesome. I mean, God bless you for that. And you didn't let up. You did because now, they ask me, but no,

That's true, though, Will, when they asked me about Donald Trump, I know Trump 100 years, I know President Trump, excuse me, 100 years, I'm not on the inside. I don't go to dinner. I don't hang with them. And plus you and I, we don't, I don't, I don't idolize anybody. I don't, since Frank Sinatra passed away, my father, DiMaggio, those are my heroes. Now I'm not Gaga, but I know who to respect and I know about loyalty and friendship. And the way they ask me about Donald Trump, you can't marginalize now. Not now. The country is too teetering. too much. You can't marginalize UN headstrong, straight ahead as my father, the military guy would say onward and forward for Pete Hanksett and watch it, Pete, work out in Germany with the troops as Secretary of Defense was freaking

awesome, man, was it? So God bless you for that, my brother. Joe, I had to text him. I had to text him because do you know how many notes I got from, like, I'm talking about special forces types guys, but not just that, just like, you know, just dudes out there who are like, that was awesome. Him working

Now, and I was like, this really resonated with everybody. Him getting up and working out with the troops. It did. What of reason? That resonated. It really did, man. I feel, you know what? I was just saying that, too.

I got to do a bit. I got to do a bit. I think I mentioned on the radio. The best look at administration we've ever seen ever. I mean, you know, they can do it. Donald and Melania. You know, you're Christy Nome, Pam Bondi. Pete Hanks, that looks like John freaking Wayne.

You know what I mean? I was like, you know, isn't that great, though? They should do a model show, a runway show. I think for charity. I mean, we can keep going. RFK, Tulsi, you can keep going. You're right. It's a great looking, obviously Caroline Levin.

It's a great looking administration. But we digress. You said it there. You said it there in Mindigo, your favorite skit, your favorite sketch. What would it be? It was Solomon and Pudge. So we needed some material toward the end of the show. Like, we don't forget, 90-minute show.

So around 10 of 1 a.m., you know, they needed some fill time. They said, Joe and Eddie, would you come up with some material? And so Eddie and I sat down on the piano, 17th floor in the writer's wing. And I was at the piano, just tinkered at the piano. And Eddie was to my right. And he started saying, look, let me just do some old guys in the bar that I knew as a kid. And, you know, you'll be Pudge, I'll be Solomon, and I'll just pontificate, you go back and forth. We riffed it.

Now, when we went to do it, John Madden was host. the show, rest of all. And Madden was great. And then they said, we need you to, we had to put you back into what we call Tuscany Corner, which was the back end, the back end with the elevator for the great Arturo Tuscany used to come up when he was, he would conduct the NBC Symphony Orchestra

at there at NBC back in the day when it was a radio studio, not one sketch ever worked back in Tuscany Corner. They said, oh, Tuscany's ghost is going to kill the sketch, man. So really, so now, Madden does it, and I remember him walking off saying, good luck, or break a leg or something like that. He was leaving his sketch, me and Eddie went back to the corner, we played these two down and out guys in the bar.

We virtually improvised the whole sketch for about seven minutes, man. On live television, we had 8, 20, whatever a million we had, and we went in, and the punchline for Eddie and I was, yeah, that's crazy, man. And Eddie would say, yeah, that's crazy, anybody crazy. Like that, took a beat. They went to black, they went to commercial,

And I got filled with emotion. And Eddie and I walked back, buddy, buddy, you know, back to the good nights, onto the home base there. And that was that. And every time we did those sketches, if we did a half a dozen, maybe more of those Solomon and Pudge sketches were really from the heart, virtually improvised, that was my all-time favorite. Right. What year did you join? 80, man, 1980.

80. You were 40 years in. Yeah. I was. I was, Joe. You're five years in to Saturday Night Live. It started in 75. The beginning of it, the partying is notorious, right?

And then kind of the 90s, too, because you hear about it again with Chris Farley. Was it like that when you were there? You know what? It was a crazy party. Yeah, we write in the book. Can I hold my book up for a second? The publishers have been so great. I want you to.

I want you to. They'd be honored if I did this on the Wilcane podcast. But this is average joke. And I write about it. it just it came out just yesterday and I write about it in the book I never tried cocaine man and I was I'm a guy at the 80s and I never tried it because I'm obsessive compulsive and if I tried it I know it wouldn't stop at Norton did any and and maybe there was like a number of other people that didn't but was it

around I would suggest you read the book but they would sometimes and mean the hierarchy and not Ebersaw ever saw as you know straight and ever saw was like real clean cut you know and he ran it like a military operation But there were a couple guys there. You'd be picture their sketches, and they lay in lines out on the desk, man. You know, then they take the big pen out, the big pen out, and why you're doing you?

You're pitching the sketch, and you're, I'm a kid, man. I'm going, like, whoa, man. And then the punchline is, and this really happened. This guy, God bless him, he did so many drugs, and I respected him because he was still alive, you know? I said, wow, he had my respect because how could he still function? And after you pitch, pitch everything, and he snort, he would take a joint out of his pocket,

fire it up and go, that's not funny. Every single week. Every week, I know. Then finally, on a much more serious note, John Belushi died. And that came down, and it was pretty much around there.

Everybody stopped because if drugs could stop the great Belushi. This guy cleaned himself up and became almost like a pro athlete in shape. But, yeah, you would see it all over. I just, I hate it. I hated that. I hated. If you didn't do the drugs, you weren't on the inside. Like, you know what I mean? Like, and even at the comedy clubs, they people, no names mentioned. Big stars would come in. They'd go in the back of the bar, you know, and everybody, they would all get coped up. And I never, never like that premise of friendship. Like, we'll do drugs. That'll be, that'll be the conduit between you and I. They get about it. I never, I never, you know, never did it. Uh, really quick. So average show, you tell these stories, the story of your life. You see the book jacket cover says, a blue collar. guy, you know, in this world.

That's what you, what do we learn with average Joe? Survival, man. Survival, you know, I had cancer in 81 during Saturday night, I thought I was going to die by 35. And then they told me, no, you beat it, Joe. And I'm going like, wow, man. So I had to do catch up, you know, how to make up for a lot of stuff. It's survival and reinvention is what it is because I'm just a blue collar guy.

I go on stage, you know, and I entertain and do the best I can. Then I got to do it all over again. You know, the radio thing is an anomaly, which I love. doing this, being on Fox. Everybody's so great at Fox. I can't tell you how much fun I have at Fox, but it's about survival and reinvention and hang in there and don't get,

don't let that negativity or those naysayers get you down. It's a very positive attitude book. Now, I didn't throw anybody under the bus either, Will, my friend. Go check it out, average Joe. I'm a big fan of Joe Piscobo. Was before I met him even more so after getting to know him. So go check out average Joe.

And we'll get you on the record setting ratings program too joe okay we'll get you on both programs thank you joe we love you will keep up to great work congratulations thanks all right thank you joe piscopo my dad would lose his mind if you'd realize i just said goodbye or hello to joe piscopo my dad would lose his mind if you were still with us today all right that's going to do it for us today here on the will kane show i'll see you again four o'clock this afternoon and same time same place right here at fox news youtube fox news facebook Listen ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcast, and Amazon Prime members.

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