Will Cain Country - Dr. Oz Exposes Healthcare Fraud in California! (ft. Nate Morris)

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

Story 1: It’s been a seat dominated by one man for over four decades but that will likely change very soon. Candidate for U.S. Senate in Kentucky, Nate Morris, explains what inspired him to run f...or the seat currently held by long-time incumbent Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and where he stands on some of the more controversial issues in U.S. politics.Story 2: Is the NFL lacking in diversity? Will and The Crew react to a statement from NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell claiming that the league had “a lot of work to do” to achieve racial diversity among their head coaches, before investigating the disturbing recurrence of patients checking into hospitals with active artillery shells lodged in their rectums.Story 3: Administrator of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services Dr. Mehmet Oz joins Will to break down his investigation into healthcare fraud, explaining how the misuse of millions of dollars in funds has been normalized by politicians like Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-CA). Administrator Dr. Oz breaks down how he identifies fraud, what he’s doing to prevent it, and what makes Medicare and Medicaid such an easy target to begin with.Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠⁠)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The last endorsement of Charlie Kirk. Candidate for Senate in Kentucky, Nate Morris. How many coaches in the NFL? Black represents justice. How many black coaches should there be in the NFL? In searching for fraud, Russian, Armenian, mob fraud in California with Dr. Mehmet Oz. It is Wilcane Country streaming live at the Wilcane Country YouTube channel and the Willcane Facebook page.
Starting point is 00:01:06 But we're always here whether or not you're listening on Terrestrial Radio or streaming live on the internet by following us at Spotify or on Apple. We've got a big show for you today. Dr. Memet Oz has been walking the streets of California looking for fraud. And for that, Governor Gavin Newsom has called him a racist. Not because he's looking for Somalis, but because he's looking into a Russian, Armenian mob, Medicare, Medicaid fraud on the streets of Van Nuys. Why would that be racist? Well, because Dr. Mehmed Oz is a Turk, because he is of Turkish descent. And with historical tensions and atrocities between the Turks and the Armenians, Governor Gavin Newsom says, this is racist.
Starting point is 00:01:53 It's not fraud. This is because Dr. Mehmet Oz has it out for Armenians. We'll ask Dr. Oz. Coming up here in just a little bit here on Will Cain country. Coaching grades are out in the NFL. You say to me, Will, I don't care. I say to you, well, I have a question. How many black coaches in the NFL represent justice?
Starting point is 00:02:18 On a biannual basis, we have a conversation in sports media about, the Rooney rule, if you're not a huge sports fan. It's essentially an affirmative action type of rule within the NFL that requires every NFL team to interview minorities before they make the ultimate decision of who their next head coach will be. And the purpose of this was to really honestly not increase the number of Lebanese head coaches like Robert Sala, the new head coach of the Tennessee Titans. No, it was really not to ensure that you got Ron Rivera Latino as head coach. in the NFL. It was to ensure that you got more black head coaches. And so I have a very simple proposition, a very simple question. And this really applies to anything when you talk about the
Starting point is 00:03:01 concept of affirmative action. What number represents justice? Roughly 11% of the American population is black. If 11% of the head coaches were black, would that be justice? Roughly 70% of the players in the NFL are black. Does that mean there need to be 70% head coaches in the NFL to represent justice? What is the number? number where we realize we have arrived at a place in America where we are no longer racist. That's coming up here in just a little bit on Will Cain country. But we start today with the last endorsement of Charlie Kirk. Nate Morris is running for Senate.
Starting point is 00:03:45 It will be vacated seat of Mitch McConnell. He is running for Senate from the great state of Kentucky, and he joins us now. What's up, Nate? Hey, Will, great to be with you. Great to be with you as well. I think it's hard to avoid starting with where Charlie left off. I'm just curious from a personal level and from a professional honor. What does it mean?
Starting point is 00:04:16 And what was your relationship with? You're the last endorsement of him. So what does that mean for you, your relationship with Charlie? Charlie Kirk. Yeah, well, it's so special and it's such a tremendous responsibility. You know, well, when I was looking at getting in the race, I mean, one of the people I've talked to was Charlie. And I said, Charlie, what do you think about this U.S. Senate seat? And he said, Nate, he said, this seat is so important that if you decide to do this, he said, I will come to Kentucky and I will help you launch your campaign. That's how important this is.
Starting point is 00:04:47 And Charlie saw that Mitch McConnell, who's been in the sea for over 40 years, had been stabbing the president in the back, had been thwarting the will of the America First Movement. And he said, we got to get a change, Nate. And that's why he came to Kentucky to launch our campaign. And I'm so proud to be his last endorsement. And we think about that every day on the campaign trail. We think about the responsibility. And it's one of the great honors in my life. And that's why we're going to fight so hard.
Starting point is 00:05:16 and when we win this race, we're going to dedicate this thing to Charlie. What is it that you guys shared? What vision of America? What ideology? What is it that you shared with Charlie? Yeah, you know, we talked about so much. And I was on a show, you know, quite a bit. And I think the biggest thing is that, Will, we're in a fight of good and evil in this country.
Starting point is 00:05:39 A lot of people say it's Democrat versus Republican, but Charlie was very adamant. This is good versus evil that's going on in the United States. today and around the world. And I agree with that. And I also think that Charlie was was very enthusiastic about our view on immigration. You know, Will, I've called for a full moratorium on any new immigration coming into the country until we deport every single one of these illegals. You know, the mainstream media won't say it.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Democrats won't say it. A lot of Republicans won't say it. But we were invaded under Joe Biden. We were flooded with over 20 million people. We know nothing about. And a lot of people say the. the balance of the country hangs with if these illegals go back or not. And I agree with that. But I think more importantly, it's about Western civilization. We're fighting for our country,
Starting point is 00:06:26 but we're also fighting to save Western civilization in the process. You know, Nate, if you're at all familiar with anything that I have ever said or any content that I've ever put out, you probably would know that you and I share a similar concern. We share a concern for the threat to Western civilization. We share a concern over mass migration. both legal and illegal, and that we have to figure out how to preserve what is the most successful and principled way of life that really has ever graced the history of humans on this planet. But I am also a realist, Nate, and I do wonder, I do wonder how the deportation efforts are playing politically. I'm not suggesting it that I know yet, but I do wonder. I walk
Starting point is 00:07:20 Watch this seat in Texas just outside of Fort Worth. It went heavily for Donald Trump. It's been Republican since the 1990s, and a Democrat just took a special election. And everybody's trying to sort it out, Nate. They're trying to figure it out. Why did this happen? How did this happen? What played?
Starting point is 00:07:37 And there are many who think, well, this is because of what people are seeing on the streets of Minneapolis. This is what people think of ICE. I'm curious, because you're a realist. You have to be when you're running for office. You at very least have to look at data. You're probably aware of polls. What is the public's attitude? And what does that mean for your race in Kentucky right now towards deportation?
Starting point is 00:08:01 I mean, look, Will, it's really simple. I mean, we've even seen the polls. I mean, the American people were overwhelmingly in support. I mean, CNN ran a whole segment on this that every illegal has got to go back. And there's going to be some tough conversations. There's got to be a lot of tough action. And quite frankly, Will, I don't think we can get tough enough. We've got to double down our efforts.
Starting point is 00:08:21 I mean, this nonsense going on in Minnesota, it's not lost on me that it seems like all the trouble that's been stirred up in our country lately comes from Minnesota. And it's clowns like Tim Walls that have put our country into having these difficult conversations because of his lack of leadership. And because he thwarts the president, he thwarts ice, every chance he gets. And, you know, let's remember all the turmoil that was caused in 2020. It all came out of Minnesota. And the same people that are crying about ICE or the same people that were promoting Black Lives Matter, that were promoting defund the police and all this nonsense that we knew was a complete sham. And so, Will, as far as I'm concerned, I don't think we can get tough enough. And that's why this moratorium has got to happen.
Starting point is 00:09:06 We got to take a pause. Every illegal has got to go back. And I don't, you know, the circumstances really don't matter at this point. You know, Western civilization hangs in the balance. And we've got to keep charging and be more forceful than ever. And I totally agree. Do you worry, though, Nate, that the public will say to a pollster, yes, I believe if you're here illegally, you should return to your home country. But then recoil at the enforcement of that opinion.
Starting point is 00:09:42 Recoil at the enforcement of that law. Do you worry that people say one thing and not even think one thing until the rubber meets the road, until the niceties turn into the physical force of deportation? Well, Will, I don't really care about what the poll say. I know what we've got to do to save the country. And we've got to get every illegal to go back to save this country. Because if not, I mean, you look over at the United Kingdom, I mean, you know, I'm a garbage man by trade. I built one of the largest waste management companies in the United States. Well, garbage took me all over the world.
Starting point is 00:10:19 And I tell you, I spent some time in the United Kingdom. Their country is gone. Their country is absolutely gone. You know, my friend J.D. Vance said that they will be the first Islamic nation in the next decade to have a nuclear weapon. And that's because of mass migration and having wide open borders. And the same thinking that created all that mess and allowed Europe to fall is coming here to the United States. And that's why we got to get so, so tough. And look, I think that there's going to be tough conversations.
Starting point is 00:10:49 There's going to be tough calls that we have to make. But we can't get tough enough because so much hangs in the balance to save the country. And Charlie knew this. I think that's why he became so supportive of our candidacy. And that's why he went all in. And this was his last endorsement as he knew that I was going to be willing to fight. You know, I'm not a politician. Well, I've never run for office.
Starting point is 00:11:11 I don't need the job. I don't need the money. I'm funding a lot of this thing myself. I felt like if I didn't get in the race, we were going to have one of Mitch McConnell's cronies and a career politician continue to run this country off a cliff. And that's why we need people that are willing to go to the Senate and fight. And that's why I'm in this race.
Starting point is 00:11:29 And that's why we're going to win this election. I totally agree, Nate. And I think that how you characterize that. And talking about what JD has pointed out about the UK paints this accurately as an existential fight for Western civilization. I think when I ask you about the poll, and I ask you about the pulse of the public, what I'm then transitioning into
Starting point is 00:11:52 is a conversation about salesmanship and electability. Ultimately, we have to get 51% of the people to agree or see this through the same lens that you or I see this. And I don't know. Maybe they already do. Maybe they do. And the polls are all off.
Starting point is 00:12:10 and the celebrities at the Grammys represent a radical minority. And I'm not an expert on polling. I'm not an expert. I don't think that I know at any given moment exactly where the public stands. I more firmly plant my feet on principle and hope that I can persuade from the position of the principal. But I do wonder, and that's why I've never run for office, Nate, you know, and I don't know that I ever will. But that is sort of the calculation you constantly have to make as a man who runs for office. right? Can I sell my principle? Where is the public? And I do wonder with the public right now,
Starting point is 00:12:47 I don't think, for the record, Nate, I don't think that Billy Elish represents the average American. I don't think she represents the opinion of 51% of Americans. But you know who I do worry about, Nate? I do worry about that suburban mom that listens to Billy Elish that might someday vote red and on other days vote blue. who might post a black box on Instagram when the entire world is losing its mind over race. But at other times goes, yeah, there's no way that girls or boys should play in girls' sports. And so I wonder about your job and my job in selling this existential crisis of Western civilization to that mom that is necessary for you to hold power in Washington, D.C. Yeah, look, well, as a leader and as a party, we have to clearly articulate what's at stake here. And obviously, we know that's Western civilization.
Starting point is 00:13:42 But let's also talk about the folks, the mothers that are out there. And think about the young people, their children, that are trying to get opportunity, that are trying to get access to the economy, trying to get a job, trying to get housing, trying to get the education that they need. Illegal immigration compromises all of that. Illegal immigrants take away opportunities from law-abiding American citizens. And in many cases, American citizens that have been here for many generations helping to build this country and all the nonsense, for instance, that we see in Minnesota, you know, the Somali case,
Starting point is 00:14:16 I mean, they're taking away from law-abiding American citizens. And that's absolutely unacceptable. And look, I'll take the folks that I meet on the campaign trail every day around Kentucky. I'll listen to them any day over what Bad Bunny has to say. I don't really care what Bad Bunny has to say because, you know, he doesn't have an authentic American experience in Middle America and have to deal with things like NAFTA and have to deal with China entering the WTO and watching your jobs go overseas and watching your family hurt. He hasn't seen that. So shame on him.
Starting point is 00:14:50 And, you know, he needs to stick to singing and performing. And we'll take care of the policy. You know what in the past, Nate, what I would have said is the best way to sell what you just described is to say that illegal immigrant, legal, I mean, illegal immigrant, criminal or simply illegal. takes away not just from the abstraction of the average American, but takes away from your child. It takes away the educational resources in the public school from your child. It takes away the medical services that are paid for through communal tax dollars from your child. And you would hope that the mama bear inside that mother would understand the lesson,
Starting point is 00:15:31 understand the principle through the lens of their own children. But concerningly, Nate, we see a growth. I think this is accurate. I think this is accurate. We see a growth in mothers really willing to sacrifice the interest of their own children for the public virtue signal of their own reputation. Whether or not that's embracing, you know, hormonal treatments and trans nonsense, or it's allowing elementary school teachers to march their kids out of school
Starting point is 00:15:59 in education, learning environments for hours on in to go yell, you know, kindness is the way on the streets of Austin or name your city in solidarity with Minneapolis. I don't know that those moms still are the ones that you're trying to reach. But I am concerned that this public virtue signaling, this toxic empathy has pulled a lot of women even away from the protection of their own children. Well, and that's why, again, Will, I have been so forceful in discussing this issue and showcasing to the people of Kentucky and the people of this country, that this issue of deporting these illegals has got to happen because they are compromising generations of their family, their futures, their job prospects,
Starting point is 00:16:45 their education, their health care, because they allow these illegals to stay. And they don't get tough. We've got to get so tough because, look, we know that if people have a job, that solves a lot of problems, Will. People have economic opportunity and they see hope. But, you know, these illegals that come in
Starting point is 00:17:02 and take opportunity and take away resources from law-abiding citizens, that doesn't provide a lot of hope for folks here in the middle of the country that are trying to make a better way and trying to build on what the previous generation did. And so I think this issue is so important. And that's why we're going to continue to lead on this and communicate directly to the Kentuckians and to the people around this country of why this has got to happen and why we've got to save this country by getting tough. So you brought up economics. I want to talk to you for a moment about economics. President Donald Trump, Vice President J.D. Vance, Charlie Kirk, myself, yourself, I think it's a fair characterization to say that over the last 10 years there's been an embrace on the right of a certain level of economic populism. The idea that not capitalism but corporatism, the perversion of capitalism has left behind the average American, has left behind the blue-collar worker.
Starting point is 00:17:59 And we need to have leadership that understands you can't have a bifurcated society. You can't have elites and hollow out the middle class and leave the poverty. That you have to have a system that works on whole for the average American. But populism, as it's often famously said, is a fire that can burn out of control. It can warm you or it can burn you down. And the left has embraced a similar kind of – not the left. a similar, but it has embraced populism in a different kind of way. Mom Donnie, rent control, maybe basic level income, universal income, obviously public health care.
Starting point is 00:18:45 How do you distinguish what you see a vision of economic populism that doesn't burn out of control into Mom Donnie style populism? Yeah, look, it's a. great question, Will, but what I'll say is, you know, I'm so proud, you know, Will, I was raised by a single mom. We were on food stamps. We struggled financially. I had a dad that left when I was very young, and I had 19 of my family members working in an auto plan in Kentucky. I mean, we built cars and trucks for a living. And I'm proud that right now we're living in a time in our country's history where we could celebrate the American worker again
Starting point is 00:19:25 because of President Trump. But we can't forget some of these terrible policies that the elites have put on working class people like NAFTA and China entering the WTO. I mean, these are two things that I saw firsthand. People I knew lost their job immediately because they had career politicians, they had people that were disconnected
Starting point is 00:19:44 from the middle of the country, from a working class experience, create these policies that didn't benefit the American people and didn't help create a better life for our people and for the next generation. And that's why I'm so adamant about this seat, going to Washington, going to the Senate as a job creator. You know, well, I've created thousands of jobs in my career.
Starting point is 00:20:07 You know, I started with $10,000 on a credit card and built a company to $700 million in revenue, took it public on the New York Stock Exchange. I've seen every facet of entrepreneurship, small business growth. And we've got to have people that understand how to create jobs. We've got to have people that understand. and have a relationship with working class Americans and what that's like to struggle and to fight. Because let me tell you, a lot of these people in Washington, D.C., they have no idea what that's like.
Starting point is 00:20:35 They have no idea what it's like to sign the front of a paycheck. They've only signed the back. And so I think, again, we've had a lack of leadership and somebody I'll be replacing. You know, been in the Senate for over 40 years, Will. I mean, he's been in there before the Internet was created. I mean, what do you possibly know about creating jobs in this economy? and building people up and giving people opportunity. But I think we've got to stay focused on working-class Americans.
Starting point is 00:21:01 They've been hurting and they hurt so bad under Joe Biden. You know, I hear all the time, Nate, you have no idea what I'm going through right now. I can barely buy groceries. I can't pay my light bill. And that's because of the inflation that was put on working-class Americans because of Joe Biden's spending. And we've also got to have people that understand that and can't spend out of control like we've had under Joe Biden. under Joe Biden. And thank God for President Trump because he's curbing that inflation
Starting point is 00:21:27 and helping our country get back on track and get the economy going again and giving everybody confidence that a better days ahead. All right. Nate Moore, you're running against Andy Barr and Daniel Cameron. It's Mitch McConnell's seat in Kentucky. He's the last endorsement of Charlie Kirk. And laying out a vision, I think, is fairly characterized. When it comes to immigration or economics as America first, I think that's the ultimately, that's the way to characterize what we just talked about. here for the last 20 minutes. Nate, it's been great to talk to you. I hope to see more of you.
Starting point is 00:21:59 Thank you so much for your time today. Thank you, Will. It's so good to be with you and your listeners. All right. Thank you so much. There's Nate Morris running for Senate in the great state of Kentucky. Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Kane Country. This is Ainsley Earhart. Thank you for joining me for the 52 episode podcast series, The Life of Jesus. A listening experience that will provide hope, comfort, and understanding of the greatest story ever told. Listen and follow now at Fox News Podcasts.com or wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome back to Will Cain Country. Two at A's Dan, tinfoil Pat, with us here today.
Starting point is 00:22:35 A little bit later in the show, we're going to be joined by Dr. Membitt, Oz, administrator of Center for Medicaid and Medicaid Services, who's looking at fraud in the state of California. And about time, you know, this Minneapolis and Minnesota's story has to go beyond. And we all seem to intuitively in a gut instinct think you've got to. You've got to turn to California. Not just. Not just, not exclusively.
Starting point is 00:22:57 But it's like the drug cartel thing. I think I had my finger on the pulse of it when I said, if you're going after drug cartels, do you really start in Venezuela or do you start in Mexico? And I think that was validated ultimately that Venezuela was about much more than narco boats in the Caribbean. I think that's been validated. If you're going after fraud, the Mexican cartel of fraud, The Sinaloa cartel has to be in California. So, yeah, we should look into it everywhere else as well.
Starting point is 00:23:32 But if you're going for the bulk, if you're, you know, going to the place where the rats are nesting, you know, not picking them off as they run along the streets of New York, but you're going to the nest, the nest has to be in California. So we're going to ask that in just a moment. with Dr. Meminoz. But the story out of the NFL is the number of coaches, 10 coaching vacancies, right, this hiring cycle. And zero of those coaching vacancies have gone to coaches who are black. I don't use the modern day term of people of color because does Robert Sala not count? Right?
Starting point is 00:24:15 I mean, does he not count as a person of color? No one's counting him as that. Yeah, right. He's Lebanese. Robert Salas, Lebanese. And so we have to be specific, as I was a little bit earlier. They don't really mean persons of color, the critics of the NFL's hiring policies. They don't count.
Starting point is 00:24:34 Like Ron Rivera, when Ron Rivera, remember Ron Rivera, is hired, you can almost feel the air lead out of the balloon. Wow, that's not exactly what we were talking about. Close, but, uh. And by the way, Patrick makes a great point. And I've got to looking at this. Okay, by the way, here's how many black coaches there are in the NFL. Technically, the way that everybody is saying it, there are three black coaches in the NFL right now. That is D'Amico Ryan's Houston, Texans, it's Todd Bowles, Tampa Bay, Buccaneers,
Starting point is 00:25:08 and it's Aaron Glenn, New York Jets. But nobody is counting, and he's not a head coach anymore, but he was. Mike McDaniel, former head coach of the Miami Dolphins. And it is interesting. He's never counted. I feel like he's never on the lists. And to be fair, even when you said, I'm like, wait, Mike McDaniel's black? But he is black.
Starting point is 00:25:31 Like, he's half black. His dad was black. His mom was white. I just looked it up. I did not know that. Right? Because they don't count him and they don't talk about it. I did not know that.
Starting point is 00:25:43 Yeah. Here's a question, Toos. Why? Why? That doesn't make any sense. Patrick Mahomes is counted as a black quarterback, is he not? He's half black, half white. I think he's the exact same scenario.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Black dad, white mom. Russ Wilson? Patrick Mahomes is counted. Yeah, Russ Wilson. Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd is counted as black as a player and now as a coach. And he's his light skinned as Mike McDaniel. So what's the deal?
Starting point is 00:26:13 Like, why does Mike McDaniel not get counted? Why does the, I'd love to figure this out. I do love Miami Mike, though. What is the deal? Is it the glasses? It might be. I don't understand. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:28 That was really funny. But, all right, so right now, because it's Super Bowl week, and this hiring cycle has just gone through, and coaching grades are coming out, by the way, this is presented by Polly Market, coaching grades for the 10 teams, nine teams at this point, on this coaching list, at least in this. That's not nice. Look at these grades. They gave A through D, two A's, one B, three C's, two D's, and then they gave the Pittsburgh
Starting point is 00:26:59 Steelers hiring Mike McCarthy a WTF. I can agree as a Packer fan. Mike McCarthy has to be one of the most disrespected coaching candidate head coaches in the history of football. Mike McCarthy won a Super Bowl with the Green Bay Packers. By the way, then a Dallas Cowboy head coach, and I believe in his seasons with the Cowboys, he won like 10, 11 games almost every year. And everybody here thinks he was a disappointment, right? And now the world is going, ho-hum, the Steelers hired Mike McCarthy, what a letdown.
Starting point is 00:27:34 Like, what a – if you're Mike McCarthy, you've got to be sitting there going, just like Mike McDaniels sitting around going, I'm not black. Mike McCarthy's going, I'm a WTF hire? Why am I a WTF higher? 175 and 112 as a head coach. which is great. He's sitting there going, wait a minute, Joe Brady gets a B. And I got a WTF. I won a Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:28:02 I've won 170 games in the NFL. Like, why am I the WTF? I agree with that. I think Aaron Rogers ruined it for him. I'm with you, Mike. Well, he's going to be, now, I don't know if Aaron Rogers is going to come back to the Steelers, but now they're back together, and I think Rogers gave him an endorsement. But if you're not familiar with these names, none of these guys are black, these new head coaches in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:28:27 So everybody's making a deal, 0 for 10 in this hiring cycle. And so it's an article in Super Bowl Weeks. It's being asked of Roger Goodell. Why? What can the league do? And for the record, here's what the league does. The league has the Rooney rule. And if you're listening, you're not that big of sports.
Starting point is 00:28:48 I don't care about anything. head coaches. I do think you should care. I think this is an interesting cultural debate. It's an interesting affirmative action debate. It's an interesting societal debate. Okay. So the NFL requires every team to interview a minority before they make a hire. That's called the Rooney Rule. And the idea is that it gives minority candidates exposure to the hiring practice, the employers, aka the owners in the NFL. Because the argument is, well, there's no back then, there's not black head coaches because they're not even getting interviews. they don't have the relationships. They're not getting other owners. So they put in the Rooney rule, and you have to. And it now applies, I believe, to offensive and defensive coordinator as well.
Starting point is 00:29:29 It's not just head coach. And it hasn't changed that much, the Rooney rule. It hasn't changed the numbers and the hiring practices. But here's the question I have. And I've gone back to this every time. I'm going to ask you guys this, two a days and ten four pat. What number represents justice. This is the debate on DEI as well, right? When it's like we're going to have hiring practices across corporate America. I am dead serious, curious, because that's never been quantified. It seems like that would have to be a bar you would have to set, right?
Starting point is 00:30:07 If we think X, and we'll define X together in a moment, represents a healthy and just ecosystem and therefore if you fall below something is a skew and probably not fall below on a singular occasion but continuously you see what I'm saying okay let's just pick a number 20% if if 20% represents equilibrium justice then you wouldn't go well this year we fell below the 20% you'd have to go we're continually falling below the 20% we're continually falling below and then you'd raise your eyebrows and go, why, right? But you have to establish that number. And it's never established. Not on ESPN, not on the talk shows, not with the NFL. My question is, how can you have a conversation about injustice if you can't define justice? You see what I mean? What I said
Starting point is 00:31:03 earlier, I believe the black population of America is between 11 and 13 percent. Does that mean justice is 11 to 13 percent of the coaches being black? No, that's ridiculous. will because 70% of the league and the players are black. Okay, well, hold on for saying that requires me to assume players and coaches are one and the same. They're not. There is overlap. A lot of times players go into coaching. Sometimes coaches have never played. But there's some overlap, but it's certainly not one for one. I think that gets people. But so I don't think 70% can reasonably argue to be justice equilibrium. So what is the number? What is the number that represents justice?
Starting point is 00:31:47 I'm genuinely curious. Because I think, I think to it, I'll let you answer this. I saw you had your hand up. I think the idea of there not being a number actually allows the conversation and the grievance to continue. That's my point. I don't think there's really any interest in defining justice because if you define justice, then you can never scream or you have to be accountable when you scream injustice. That's what they, I mean, we don't know what it is, and that, therefore, it just should be that way.
Starting point is 00:32:19 And I also think what you said about the 70% of the league being black also, I think that throws people off being like, hey, wait, this doesn't seem right, you know, as it just says optics. But yeah, I think, I think there is no number that you could throw out there. Well, okay, there's this as well, and we always over it under index this. I set aside the racial prism. I've had a conversation, why is the media liberal, right? Why is the oil and gas industry kind of conservative? And there's a lot of things that go into that, like geography, at least historically, much of the media was always centered in New York, Washington, D.C., and Los Angeles. And people that live in those places and people that move to those places often tend to be more liberal.
Starting point is 00:33:07 Okay, so there's part that's in the recipe. but the biggest one that is always underappreciated is self-selection mechanism. Who chooses to go into those businesses, right? And for example, in my business, in this business, definitely historically, people that are left-leaning choose to go into media. More so, more so than people that are right-leaning. Why? Well, because quite honestly, like there's this like ideology or mindset, is it H.L. Minkin is sort of like a lot of people in media would point him as sort of the patron saying
Starting point is 00:33:44 to media. And he said something like the purpose of media is to afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted. That's certainly not how I view the role of the media. That's a kind of a lefty idea. I'm going to afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted. My job, I think, is to tell the truth. It's not very complicated. It's sort of here. Tell the truth. And so if the vast majority people to go into this business think the idea is that you're supposed to afflict the comfortable, then you're going to do everything through that lens, and then people self-select into that business. Same thing. If you go into oil and gas, who the men and women choosing to go into oil and gas? They tend to have more conservative leanings. Finance is a weird
Starting point is 00:34:30 one, by the way. Finance is sort of weird. I think people become conservative going to finance. I don't know. I don't think that's true. Really? I think they might start out conservative. I think they actually start out conservative. Or they're conservative in the middle ground of their career. Two days, there is a thing that happens among the very wealthy where they begin to adopt liberal ideas as a handbag. Like, it's almost like collecting a, oh, dude. Like, you've never been this liberal your whole life, but now you're super rich.
Starting point is 00:35:03 So you are. Why? You think the opposite. Well, maybe guilt. No, maybe guilt over how much you've. made, or it is like wearing designer clothes. At some point, it becomes like wearing designer clothes. Have you seen my handbag? Have you seen my trans kid? You know, or have you seen how I feel about my own virtue? My inclusivity. Have you seen my sign in my yard? Yeah. There's a, there's a thing that
Starting point is 00:35:28 happens at a certain wealth level where liberal ideas are like a fancy car. Interesting. You drive a jaguar and you believe that no one is illegal. A pinco. Like those things do have some overlap. And I find it particularly in this sort of finance world, I feel like, more so than other industries. But my point in all of this is in coaching, there's also self-selection mechanism. Who chooses to go in to be coaches? And I'm not talking about who chooses and wants to be an NFL coach, like any industry.
Starting point is 00:36:01 Who's ready to go be a graduate assistant? Who's ready to go be a quarterback? coach, who's ready to coach in high school, who's ready to coach in college, and who wants to work their way up. And there is some racial self-selection mechanism in who is feeding that pipeline of coaches. And I'm not saying it's 100-0. I'm just saying there are a lot of reasons why these numbers end up the way they do. You can take what I say and believe it or not, or you can just take this. Racist. Like that's the other, that's the other, that's, that's the other, That's what the counter argument is.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Racist. Not complicated. You don't have to think much beyond it. It's simple. That's the beginning and the end of the argument. I don't know why, but you are. Racist. So,
Starting point is 00:36:45 like, all the things I've laid out to you. Too many words. This dude, too many words. Always suspected this guy on NFL on ESPN. Listen to him. Making all these excuses. Racist. You're right.
Starting point is 00:37:01 You know what? In the end, it could just be. There's 32 racists who have no interest in winning. and just like, I'm not going to pick the best guy for the job. No. I don't want the best guy. Yeah, let's give it a shot. You know, we'll try not to do that.
Starting point is 00:37:16 See what happens. Well, seven of the teams that have those openings, some of the 10 teams, have hired black coaches in the past. That's something that people don't really, it's like, why would they be racist now when they've already done it before? That's what have you done for me lately is the mentality. Well, that's my whole point, though. No, they're counting, Patrick.
Starting point is 00:37:39 You're exactly right. They're not counting that. They're counting right now. It's a game every year. What number we're hired and what number is the total number in the league. Right now, it's three out of 32. So that's 10 percent, right? 10 percent for next year.
Starting point is 00:37:53 Counting Robert Salah, if we're doing people of color, it's four out of 32. So what is the number that represents true justice? What is the number that represents equilibrium? Is it 20 percent? At least eight. Is it the national average of 11 to 13%? What is the number? And by the way, if we're doing this, well, what percentage of the United States population is Asian?
Starting point is 00:38:14 Do we have that when it comes to coaches? I just pulled up. What percentage of the country is white? Hispanic population is 19 to 20. The Asian population? The Hispanic population is about 20% of the population. How many Hispanic head coaches are there? I think we're zero, right?
Starting point is 00:38:35 right now, right? Zero. Yeah. Right. Zero Asians. Right? Are we at zero Asians? I think so. Same thing with cornerbacks. Cooper DeGine's carrying a lot of weight on the whole population percentage thing when it comes to cornerbacks and defensive backs in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:38:54 We need to measure that for perfect societal representation. Do we just care? What is justice? Do we just care about this in the NFL? Is that it? or do people get up in arms like this for all the other sports? Because it can't be as diverse in other sports more than it is the NFL. I think the NBA is more diverse.
Starting point is 00:39:14 It is in the NBA. Well, I know, but like, do they care about baseball? You know, managers? Boy, baseball sure flies into the radar, right? Yeah. Like, why is no one up in arms about that? I remember when I joined ESPN, a guy told me, a guy told me when I joined his thing, Will, you should do a story on what happened to the black baseball player. Like, they're gone.
Starting point is 00:39:34 Like, in the 70s, that was a good percentage of the league, you know? And now, and I mean, that's an interesting conversation about young black kids not choosing baseball, choosing basketball or whatever it may be, good athletes, not wanting to play baseball anymore. 5%. That's pretty dang fascinating, right? No, but it's African American. 5%. 5% to 6% are black players in Major League Baseball. No, but that's African American, though.
Starting point is 00:40:02 You know, we still have Hispanic black. I'm just talking about African-American. Not. No, but that's what we're talking about, Patrick. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I just want to make sure. Not a Spanish players.
Starting point is 00:40:12 There are, it is minority. 39% minority is the league. 60% white. Wait, so 5% African-American in Major League Baseball. What was it in the 70s? Can you look that up? I'm going to, let's guess before he gets it. 30%.
Starting point is 00:40:30 30% of Major League Baseball in the 19-1. 1970s African American? It is 16 to 19%. 16 to 19%. Still a big drop. Yeah. Still a big drop. By the way, are you screaming racism about that?
Starting point is 00:40:52 Is anybody screaming racism about that? No. I read a thing 15 years ago they were. C.C. Sabathia was getting out there. They were like, we got to get kids on the streets. Yeah, it was a big deal like a few years ago. Well, but that's not screaming that they're not hiring black players in defiance of merit because of racism, but that's what we do when it comes to coaching. They understand and acknowledge it's more complicated when it comes to what's happened in baseball over the last 40 years.
Starting point is 00:41:21 Might it be similar when it comes to coaching? Might it be more complicated or racist? But that means it's because there are 70% black players in the NFL, right? So that's the reason why? Why what? People get up in arms about the coaching. Because they don't care about it. I mean, I guess.
Starting point is 00:41:43 They think that that, I think that correlation, they draw an absolute correlation between those two stats with no complicating factors in between. That's choosing to go into coaching versus who's going into the broadcast booth versus who's going into retirement versus who's doing whatever they want after their playing career.
Starting point is 00:42:05 All right. This is a good opportunity. I think for us to take a quick break. When we come back, two a day's Dan and tinfoil pat have forwarded me a headline that I swear that I have seen no less than three times. It's incredibly grotesque and dangerous. And I don't understand if we're all telling the same story over and over again because I don't know how this could be happening more than once.
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Starting point is 00:43:28 and always available by subscribing on Spotify or on Apple. I swear that I've seen this headline from Dan and Patrick. Like a year or two ago, I'm holding back a sneeze. If you wonder what I'm doing with my face, I'm trying to hold back a sneeze. It's really bad for you, right? Just let her fly, baby. Yep. You got to go.
Starting point is 00:43:50 Your eyes can just pop out. Click the headline up. Okay. Yeah. That's what happens when you keep your eyes open when you sneeze, right? Oh, yeah. What's up on the screen? It's up on.
Starting point is 00:44:03 New York Post. I found a third one. New York Post. Hospital evacuated after 8-inch World War I artillery shell discovered in patients' butt. This is... Here's the thing about this headline I've seen this before
Starting point is 00:44:27 fellas I swear a year ago I saw a similar story Dan you've got a fact check me on this this story has come up more than once
Starting point is 00:44:34 so you're right what are you doing Patrick are you holding up eight inches is that what you're doing I was thinking like it's like eight inches so it was like
Starting point is 00:44:45 this a joke in there somewhere around right so it's this diameter roughly okay But I was thinking like when I first read it, I was thinking eight inches, but it's like, no, no, this is a mortar round. This is like a big shell.
Starting point is 00:44:59 Eight inches. Eight inches of length, surely. Not. No, I think diameter. Come on. This is artillery. This is an artillery shell. There's no way.
Starting point is 00:45:12 I bet you my hand is about six inches. So another two inches. Diameter? No way, man. That can't. That can't. No way. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:45:25 Right? Oh, okay. I'm sorry. It says eight inches long. So it is, it was length. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:35 Thank you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Really quickly. I found it. Dr. Oz is on hold. And I don't want Dr. Oz waiting while we discover the truth and the details behind
Starting point is 00:45:48 this story. Hello, sir. But I do want this before. gets to Dr. Oz. Two days. This has come up more than once. Which tells me this is a little bit of a thing. Is this happened twice, three times?
Starting point is 00:46:01 And I'm talking an artillery shell from one of the World Wars. I can't vouch that it was World War I. Could it be World War II before. Has been found in a patient's rectum at the hospital, forcing the hospital to, like, clear out. Tell me if I'm right. How has this happened more than once? Yes, it has. So article in 2021, bomb squad called to hospital after man gets World War II mortar stuck in his rectum.
Starting point is 00:46:28 So that's from 2021. So this has happened before. Is this a thing? Is there a Reddit sub-community that is into this? Is this the same guy? We need to find out if it's the same guy. That would be key. Is this this guy?
Starting point is 00:46:43 Or is there is this community? Because this is not, the details are random enough that you would not. expected to repeat itself, but it has now. And I'm, punishment, fantasy football punishment. I am wondering if we have a problem. You know, once, shame on you. Twice, shame on me. The me in this case is America. We've got to figure out what's going on in America. We've got to figure out what's going on in California as well. Dr. Membadoz is the administrator for, Senator for Medicaid and Medicaid Services. And he has been in California. He has been on the streets, I believe, of Van eyes looking into some fraud, which, by the way, Dr. Oz, shame on you.
Starting point is 00:47:27 Shame on you for caring about fraud. As it turns out, according to California, Governor Newsom, this reveals you are a racist. Yeah, but I thought you had a little video of the governor accusing me because I keep hearing it all over the place, but what I'm not hearing from Governor Newsom is any really strategically wise plan of dealing with the massive fraud that's hurting the most vulnerable people in California. And just so everyone was on the same page here, we've been all over the country. I've been to South Florida, where we've got a problem that's, I think, driven by a lot of the Cuban community that might be supported by the Cuban government. That's around durable medical
Starting point is 00:48:03 equipment, wheelchairs, knee braces. We've got the obvious problem in Minnesota where we've been visiting in the Somalian community there, and others as well, have been defarming the government, generating 100 times more bills for, for example, autism than they had expected. Why? Because they've declared every child in the state to have the condition, so they're funding it, even though it's really, we believe, mostly fraudulent. But L.A. is sort of the epicenter. And L.A. is a cautionary tale, because we've known for a while that there was a seven-fold increase in hospice. Again, hospice is something you go into when you're in your last six months of life, theoretically, you're dying of condition like cancer. It's a very delicate time. You want to give people the, they
Starting point is 00:48:49 care they need, but you take them off Medicare. You take away their other insurance to give them the hospice management. And when you pull people into hospice dishonestly, when you trick them, they lose their Medicare coverage. So when they actually get illnesses because they're not really dying of a problem, they shouldn't have been in hospice. You can't take care of them. And we've had folks, I've met with families of parents. Governor Newsom's actions are costing that there's taxpayers a lot of money, but more importantly, they're costing. They're costing them. investing Americans' lives. The question, and I'm asking this to everybody, maybe you have an answer will, is why?
Starting point is 00:49:24 Like, why is he tolerating this? Who benefits? I went and visited a Russian community where this, by the way, the leader of the mafia, who is responsible for a lot of the hospice fraud fled the country when the DOJ came after, went back to Russia. But we've got a Russian community involved, but other groups as well, has become endemic. Because of the hospice fraud being tolerated, now it's spread to home health care, when there was an effort to try to slow this down. Those fraudsters went over Nevada. I went to Nevada.
Starting point is 00:49:53 Vegas has got the same problem. It's a copycat, just a small JV version of California. It spread to New Mexico to Arizona, spread to Texas. So if we don't stomp this out, these bad guys realize they can make money off Medicaid and Medicare. Foreign countries are involved, and foreign nationals are engaged in this process because they don't care about our country. We're not going to tolerate that the president is livid about this. He's appropriately going to after all these states where we seem to tolerate some of these fraudulent activities. And some of it is just directly against the national interest. I can tolerate the tolerance for illegal immigrants getting full health benefits, including
Starting point is 00:50:29 vision and dental, things you don't get on Medicare even. We don't give that to Medicaid patients in other parts of the country. But in California, if you hear illegally, you get it all. And we've actually gone after California and collected back $1.6 billion. Not all of it back yet. We're going to get it all. but we've got probably half that money already back in the federal coffers. So Californians admitting that they were doing this wrong.
Starting point is 00:50:54 Well, I want to try to answer your question. And I have several follow-ups from what you just said. But I want to explain to the audience, and I'm sure you know, and I want to let you address what Governor Gavin Newsom is saying. The reason I jokingly said that you're looking into fraud and that makes you a racist is that the claim is you are looking into a tie. in your investigation allegations, between the Russian Armenian mafia, Armenian community in certain areas of Los Angeles, Medicare, Medicaid, fraud, and you are of Turkish descent. So what Newsom is tying into there is historical ties and problems between Turkey and Armenia, Turkish citizens and Armenian citizens. and he is insinuating that has bled over into America, into your investigation, into fraud. You know, he can make those accusations that I hope the audience probably feels the same way that I do,
Starting point is 00:51:57 which is, go ahead, make whatever allegations you desire. Just do your job. You know, go in there, deal with the fraud, protect the vulnerable. You know, I'm sitting here in Washington in the Humphrey's building. Hubert Humphrey is a beautiful quote at the entrance way. It says it's a moral obligation of government, including the California leadership. to take care of those at the dawn of their life, children, 53% of kids are covered by Medicaid and CHAP programs I administer.
Starting point is 00:52:23 You have to take care of people at the twilight of their life, you know, older folks, especially if they're having disabilities. You've got to take care of people who are living in the shadows. Folks with substance use disorder, you know, lots of conditions that we're going to cost money for communities. But we're a great nation. We're going to take care of our most vulnerable. When you tolerate widespread, systemic, organized fraud, you're causing a problem. And these allegations are not me just making up the numbers.
Starting point is 00:52:47 I actually am looking at the numbers. It's my job to pay the bills. We think there's probably $3.5 billion of fraud just in Los Angeles. Forget about California, just in L.A. around hospice and home health care. We believe that there are people being hurt. I've gotten whistleblower notices, but what they're really saying when I met with the community leaders in L.A. is why is no one listening to us?
Starting point is 00:53:09 We're crying for help. In fairness, people in other states, like home health care provides. saying they're getting squeezed on because there's so much fraud in LA that there's not enough money to go around. 9% will, 9% of all the money we spend in America on home health care is spent in Los Angeles. That's five times more than you would expect. And that means there's less money for home health care in other states. And you've got taxpayers in New Mexico, which is, again, a blue state. Taxpayers in New Mexico, but a state that's not that affluent compared to California are paying taxes,
Starting point is 00:53:41 federal taxes that go to support fraud in Los Angeles. It's just morally wrong. It's reprehensible. And the fact that the governor won't deal with the problem and instead accuses me, which is just wasting everyone's time. Fix the problem. Help your people. Is the answer to your question, why is this tolerated? Is it the same thing that we suspect in Minnesota, that there is political advantage for allowing this to go on? So obviously in Minnesota there should be, and I hope there continues to be, investigation into the political payoff, which could simply come in the form of voter turnout, voter allegiances. It could be more complex for the political leadership of Minnesota to allow this fraud to go on within the Somali communities of Minneapolis and St. Paul. You brought up Cubans and you're looking at something in Florida. You're looking at this Russian-Armenian thing in L.A. is the answer?
Starting point is 00:54:41 somehow then tied to the political payoff of whoever that may be, the leadership in California, including Gavin Newsom. I think this is weaponized political patronage. Let's just take what happened in Minnesota is a good example. Actually, let me just take a step back. I don't know if you know this will, but by federal law, if we sign you up for Medicaid, we also have to offer you the option to sign up to vote. So it's a voter enrollment process. The thing about this, if I went to an NRA convention and was legally abolished, oblige to sign up everybody to vote. I'm signing up Republicans. You're signing up people who are taking health benefits in this country and I'm now signing them up to vote. There's a good
Starting point is 00:55:22 chance that people giving you those health benefits, especially if they're not checking very carefully if you deserve them, are going to vote for you. We saw that happen. We believe in Minnesota. We're seeing it in California where there's other factors to play as well. We even have union involvement in some of these decisions that makes me concerned that this is just a big rotating circle where everyone is getting a little bit of their opportunity to sit at the trough and eat, but they all benefit the broader ecosystem that's been built there. The amount of fraud will is hard to explain. It's so rampant right now that I had a whistleblower doctor who is running five hospices, which by the way in itself you should never be able to do.
Starting point is 00:56:01 Why do I need five, why can't I run one hospice and make it big? Why do I have to have five hospices? The reason is because you keep the numbers in each hospice small. so they're below the threshold for the government to check. They don't have to report to us what their outcomes are. Remember, many of these hospices, they're all supposed to have, you know, people who are at the end of their life. They have 100% survival rates, 100%. I mean, it's better survival rate than you and I have for six months.
Starting point is 00:56:25 So there's obviously something going wrong, but this guy, this whistleblowers, building a massive beautiful house with all the money has all gotten gains. And the plumber comes in and says, hey, listen, I hear you made the money to build this house with the hospice. I've got a side hustle. I own a hospice too. The plumber.
Starting point is 00:56:43 And then the carpenter overhears the conversation and says, you know what, me too. I got a side hustle hospice. Everybody, the owner of the house and the contractors all own hospices.
Starting point is 00:56:53 This is what's going on. No longer is there a fear that someone's checking on you. And that's why I'm concerned that we've normalized fraud. And as it gets weaponized, because it does have political patronage as an opportunity,
Starting point is 00:57:08 We give up, also we open our flank for foreign governments to play a role. We know there are foreign nationals involved, our foreign governments involved. I've heard those accusations about Cuba. I've heard them about Russia. I haven't not heard it about Somalia, but I do believe the money is going back to Somalia and may have the ability to do other untoward things there because of that. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with Dr. Mehmet Oz, administrator for CMS on Wilcane Country.
Starting point is 00:57:36 Welcome back to Wilcane Country. We're still hanging out with Dr. Mehmet Oz, CMS administrator looking into fraud in California. Okay, I have two follow-ups quickly, Dr. Oz. Let's talk about the role of immigrant or minority communities in some of this fraud. Is the suggestion then the reason this proliferates in, say, a given community, it's because a model is created. I've certainly heard this when it comes to the Somali thing, right?
Starting point is 00:58:02 I've interviewed men who are immigrants from Somalia. I interviewed a man from Maine. talks about the cultural push into this corruption, into living a life off of the welfare system, not just as a taker, but but as a business enterprise as well. Is it like a model is created and that model proliferates state to state or community to community within these, I don't know if they're all immigrant, I don't know if, you know, whatever, these racially homogenous or ethnically distinct communities, a model is created and it's proliferated?
Starting point is 00:58:40 Well, I think you did a beautiful job articulating what we're thinking. I can't prove it, but a lot of Medicaid money is spent for home and community services. Let me explain what that means. Normally you think we're paying for hernia operations, right? That's not where a lot of the money is going. It's going to pay for things your family used to do for you. You carry the groceries up to stairs. Negotiate your rent or your contract for your rental property.
Starting point is 00:59:07 taking you into a home after you've had a procedure done. These are things your family would do for you, right? Now, if it's only a family working with a family and you get to decide who is helping you and you pick your neighbor's son and they pick your son, pretty much everybody in the community is being employed to work for the generation above them.
Starting point is 00:59:27 We have states in America where the number one job is home health care aid. It's become bigger than retail sales. It's the number one way you get a paycheck. So you're not creating an entire infrastructure. Now within a homogenous community, it's a little easier to gain the system. You know, we're gonna pay all the parents
Starting point is 00:59:45 to tell us this honestly that their kids have autism. Or we're all gonna have the kids drive us to our clinic appointments, charge a couple hundred dollars per drive and then collect that money and split it with the next generation. This is what's happening, and it's a business model. It's not a flaw that it's prone to fraud,
Starting point is 01:00:03 it's actually a feature. It's a great way to making money. There were people in Philadelphia, opening home health care facilities and child care facilities in Minnesota because it was a great business model. They don't have to have anybody actually walking through the doors. You're just charging money to the government. If you've got a system for doing that and you get paid, you can buy a new house, big, bigger car. I hear this, by the way, all over the country. And we've only talked about a few states now. I won't regale you, but my job is to see all the
Starting point is 01:00:29 numbers. So we can sort of tell when all of a sudden it's a lot more expensive to deal with, you know, Medicaid population in one state versus another, and that's happening often because there's fraud involved, not because you have more people needing services. Do you think that your job is the one where, so I would have to guess Dr. Oz, and I don't think this is just an uneducated guess. Medicare and Medicaid are the biggest homes for fraud in governmental spending. I'm just thinking if there's anything else I need to throw in there as a caveat. I think obviously the defense industrial complex needs to be analyzed. And it's not exclusive to these minority communities that would be my presumption. It's huge. I read an article in the
Starting point is 01:01:13 Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago about prescription medications renewed online and that these big companies can continue to shell out. You opt in, you subscribe, and it's overprescribed. And the implication is there are cabinets across America full of drugs that will never be taken, that will never be consumed because in this case, I'm expanding the conversation beyond these minority communities and this type of fraud. We're talking about big companies now because they just keep pumping out the pills on the subscription and charging and charging and charging and charging. And there's no in consumer for this amount of demand that's being pumped out.
Starting point is 01:01:51 The large part of what I'm getting at is there's fraud everywhere. Is there not? In Medicare and Medicaid, it's got to be gigantic. We believe it's well over $100 billion. dollars and to your point because we're the largest operating business so to speak we dole out if you add the affordable care act the obamacare monies that we dole out it's probably two trillion dollars that passes through these doors so there's a lot of opportunities for bad players to target us we're like a big you know hippopotamus wandering through the the uh the jungle
Starting point is 01:02:24 and people are taking shots at us and they can get a beneficiary number right if you're one of the 68 million people on Medicare or the 72 million people on Medicaid, someone can get your number and they can begin to use that to weaponize it against us. You can get a provider's number, doctor's ID number, even if they're unaware, they'll still start getting big checks that can divert it to a different bank account and get shipped overseas. And for this reason, we've got a lot of departments in the government working together. Scott Besson and I working together trying to deal with some of the bank fraud issues. And by the way, when these guys break the law, they don't just break the law in health care. They steal the money from health care because it's an easy
Starting point is 01:03:00 target, but they're wired. They do wire fraud. They're sending money back overseas where they can do untoward things. They get involved in other businesses. They just steal money. And they are financing their operations by the easiest target of all, which is Medicare. Now, what's the solution? Because I am more optimistic about this than any other time that I think I've been alive. Why? First, in surgery, the first thing you do will when someone calls you in the help is you open the wool and you shine the light it. You got to understand what the problem is. We have a better understanding of the magnitude of this fraud, and part because of the president and Secretary Kennedy, because they're just, these are, I mean, they are crusading on this topic.
Starting point is 01:03:37 They're so upset about the fact that we're stealing from our most vulnerable. We're hurting the people need to help the most. So we've identified the magnitude of the problem. We're getting a better grasp on it. Now we've got the difficult task of getting folks. A lot of states don't want to hear from us because it's a business model. If I'm paying the salaries for the most employed people in New York State, right? Well, then why would I want to cut that fraud out? You know, the federal government's paying money to my citizens and that money goes into the economy and it helps us in other ways. So, you know, I'm not going to crack down on that. If I was the governor of California and I'm watching billions of dollars, the federal
Starting point is 01:04:13 dollars come into my coffers, some of it maybe go on to the wrong people, but it's okay because they'll spend money in our communities. They buy hamburgers and, you know, beds and the like, so they'll generate commerce. So it's not a flaw. It's a feature of the system that is not working well. But the big benefit we have well is what the banking industry noticed as well. Bank managers don't detect fraud well because they're not fraudsters, but AI does.
Starting point is 01:04:39 AI is able to think like a fraudster and identify aberrancies better than anyone else could do by hand. We're using these same tools now in government. We have not sent out billions of dollars of money that were charged to us because we're identifying these. And then we're going to the root cause. We want to take out,
Starting point is 01:04:55 who are using political patronage as a motivating tool who are not trying to enforce the law. That's why I'm going after Governor Newsom if he's not going to take this seriously. And we've sent letters threatening to defer future revenue based on the track record in Minnesota and in California. We want them to fix the problem. And if they don't fix the problem,
Starting point is 01:05:16 we're going to defer Medicaid payments. Now, you can use the ability for CMS to regulate to go after people, but you can also use the tool we have. the tool we have that we make the payments. So if we don't pay the bills, you're going to start listening to us. Again, we're not asking you do anything you shouldn't want to do for yourself. You should want to fix this problem if you're leading one of our states.
Starting point is 01:05:36 All right, we wish you the best of luck. It's a bear. And the ultimate victim in all of this is the taxpayer. Just nonsense money going out the door everywhere. $100 billion. That's huge. Dr. Membadoz, we wish you the best of luck. Thank you so much for joining us here today.
Starting point is 01:05:53 God bless you, Will. All right. Take care. All right. Before we go today, let's revisit. First, let me address the Wollition. So Sharon Houston on Facebook says Biden and Harris created this chaos with their illegal aliens entering our country through their open borders, endangering Americans. I've traveled on pilgrimages. And this I know. I was not allowed into any country without my passport in hand. Laws are laws in place for a reason. And then Sean Townsend says, we can do so much for Americans if we have a secure board. order, let the educated people come in like the Iranians.
Starting point is 01:06:30 Well, we have a secure border. We have a secure border. Now we have a secure border. I've not yet to figure out what happened in that interim, everything that came in while it was wide open. Jeff Fish says on Facebook, the Grammys are for stupid people. And Steve Rappas says, we voted for law and order. That means our borders are secure.
Starting point is 01:06:51 And people here must follow law. No more Biden crime will be tolerated. that's hearing from you, the Willisha. So back to our story of the day, two days. So is it an 8-inch artillery shell found in a man's rectum? They got to clear the hospital because, hey, even though it's from World War I, I guess it's live ammo. It could go off. This was...
Starting point is 01:07:14 Go ahead, tinfoil. You have some expertise? You have some expertise on the study? So I don't have expertise, but Dave Spogelberg said... Oh, Spaggy. Eight-inch diameter is not uncommon. Battleship guns are 12 to 16 inches. Uncommon for what?
Starting point is 01:07:30 I'd say it's uncommon for recums. Yeah. What are you talking about, dog? I think he's saying it's not uncommon to be in existence, but I think it would be uncommon for this application. Yeah. Also, this was an episode of Grey's Anatomy, by the way. Did you know that?
Starting point is 01:07:50 Really? Yes. This literal situation was an episode in Grey's Anatomy, A very, very popular episode. And I'm not going to tell you what happens, but... Maybe that's... My boy Kyle Chandler's in that episode, so love him. Does it go off?
Starting point is 01:08:05 Does it go off? Damn it, Will. May or may not go off. Yeah. Really? Do you think that these dudes got their idea from Grey's Anatomy? Because I want to know... If you really want to know my curiosity,
Starting point is 01:08:18 I would like fly on the wall camera when the guy decides huh, that would be interesting. You know? Like he's looking across the room. He's got his memorabilia. He's got his collection of things that he's, you know, had over life. Maybe he's got, you know, a helmet or a vintage, you know, what was the rifle? Carbine, M1 Carbine?
Starting point is 01:08:46 M1. I don't know. And he's looking over there and he sees that shell. And he goes, you know it could be fun. You know, I want to know. Why a live explosive? That moment. What do you do it?
Starting point is 01:09:00 The risk, baby. I guess. But, God, dang. I think he's probably not even thinking that it's live. I think he's thinking, look at the shape of that thing. That's what I'm guessing. You can find anything that's shaped like that. It doesn't have to explode.
Starting point is 01:09:19 I just want to know what two dudes. How many things are shit like that, Dan? At least two. Shut up. Did we confirm it's not the same guy, right? He didn't go back for a second round. That would be true life. I'm addicted to putting bombs in my rectum.
Starting point is 01:09:33 This guy's only 24. So I doubt that's the same guy. Yeah. Because it was, what, four years ago? I think in 21, if I remember that story correctly, it was an older man that did it. I believe if I remember that story correctly. Connor just facts searched. That's insane.
Starting point is 01:09:48 Another degree of difficulty. Insane. It's kind of like Legos. They have like the ages on it. You know, like 10 to 99. The flexibility at 88. Interesting. You know?
Starting point is 01:10:01 Tell me more about that, Dan. No, I don't know. I'm just trying to imagine how this would happen. But, you know, I don't want to anymore. Now, people said, no initial explanation as to why the shell ended up in the man's body. But local media speculated that it might have had something to do with his social life. Maybe someone did it to him. We don't know he did to himself.
Starting point is 01:10:22 Maybe it's like a. jackass situation, he fell asleep? We don't know he did it to himself. Yeah. Fair. So a drawing with Sharpie, they put artillery up his butt. Yeah. Solid joke.
Starting point is 01:10:34 Yeah. He had to been heavily sedated, I would assume. Got him. Let's just, assuming that's not the case for one moment, let's in the show today with a public service announcement, please do not put World War I or World War II era ammunition up your rectum. Please don't. After that, the world is wide open to you.
Starting point is 01:10:55 If you can find modern, whatever. We're going to sit with the problem we have today, World War I and World War II Air Ammunition. All right, thanks for joining us here today on that PSA. That's going to do it for us. Make sure you subscribe at Spotify or Apple or YouTube, and we'll see you again next time. Listen to ad free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcast. And Amazon Prime members, you can listen to this show, ad free on the Amazon Music app.

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