Will Cain Country - Encore: Douglas Murray & How America’s Drug Crisis Is Worse Than You Think

Episode Date: September 1, 2025

Will is off today, so we thought we'd open up the vault and revisit a fascinating conversation with Douglas Murray, Documentarian and Author of 'The War on the West.' Murray joined Will for a sobering conversation about his documentary 'Douglas Murray Investigates America’s Drug Crisis.' From the streets of Philadelphia’s Kensington Avenue to overdoses in New York high-rises, Murray exposes the devastating toll of fentanyl, “Tranq,” and America’s poisoned drug supply. He and Will discuss why today’s crisis is unlike anything before, how mass migration and an open border fuel the epidemic, and why families, parents, and policymakers must rethink the way we confront addiction. Have a great Labor Day! Subscribe to 'Will Cain Country' on YouTube here: Watch Will Cain Country! Follow Will on X: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It is Wilcane Country, normally streaming live at the Wilcane Country. country YouTube channel every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern Time, but always available by subscribing to the podcast on Apple or on Spotify. Happy Labor Day, I'm off, but I wanted to dig into the vault and share with you an interview with friend of the show, Douglas Murray. Douglas is a best-selling author, columnist, and the creator of the documentary, Douglas Murray investigates America's drug crisis. He joined me to discuss the fentanyl epidemic, the rise of Trank, and how American cities like

Philadelphia and New York have become ground zero in this catastrophe. We dove into the human toll, the failures of policy, and whether securing the border could be a first step towards solving this crisis. Now let's get to Douglas Murray. He is the author of seven books, including The War on the West. He's a columnist at The New York Post, and as I mentioned, also a documentarian of Douglas Murray investigates America's drug crisis. Hey, Douglas.

Hey, well, good to be with you again. so I watched your documentary it's 26 minutes it's a nice length it's um man it's something i mean we can talk about it and statistics are cold and sometimes even listening to um someone's family who who's been lost to fentanyl i don't want to say that it's harder to resonate with that but when you just see firsthand these people choosing to take drugs like trank and just watching their own skin eat away from them it's just something to see on your television screen has got to be something to see in person, Douglas.

Yes, I mean, I've been looking into this story for about a year or so now. I've always been interested in it because I think that there's something very strange that's happened in American recent years where we've sort of got used to the idea that, yeah, you know, 107,000 Americans die in a year of overdose deaths.

But, you know, well, what can we? do about it i i'm so stunned by that i mean more than a hundred thousand of your citizens every year dying from a preventable cause should be something that you know is way beyond politics and yet we instead it's sort of gone the other way it's accepted like the weather or something and it's not an actual disaster it's not inevitable and the human misery uh that it causes that I saw and, you know, I've seen a lot of American cities, but I focus obviously on New York and Philadelphia in this documentary and in my recent pieces for the post. Because partly it's because in a city like, say, San Francisco, the drug problem is sort of relatively spread out.

In Philadelphia, it's condensed in particular into this one area known as Kensington Avenue. And it's just the condensed version of the much bigger American drug crisis. And you're right, the scenes that you see there are, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it includes injuries and wounds that I, that I haven't seen outside of war zones. And why? So, I remember it's a bit a, it's not a bit. It is a, it was, because it's dead. It was a joke mostly of a journalistic institution, Weiss, but I do remember Vice doing pieces, and I remember them doing one in Russia on people taking something called Croc. So I think that's where they mixed a lot of like household cleaning products together with some other stuff that gave them a high, and it ate

their skin away. And I remember looking at that. I think they became scaly, and then it became abscesses, and they eventually lost limbs. And even then, though, it's like, well, that's Russia, that's far away. You know, there's a different level of, you know, of power. poverty, maybe even depravity, you know, but this is here. And tell me about Trank, like, because the images in your documentary, it's the same as what I saw in Russia. I mean, it is abscesses and limbs wasting away. Yes, I mean, at least the severe necrosis and amputation of limbs or limbs just

falling off. Trank is relatively new into the drug supply in the U.S. It's come in in the last few years. Philadelphia is a sort of ground zero for it, and it started to spread out from there around parts of the rest of the country as well. It's like fentanyl. It's one of these relatively new things

that's come into the drug supply. Some people know that they're taking it. Others don't know. Others don't care, sadly. But yes, I mean, it's the trank that's leading to the worst. wounds but it's the fentanyl that's leading to the most deaths and that is that is simply because it's wide more widespread at the moment in America I mean this is to do

with a supply of drugs into America and I still don't think that enough American parents and and indeed their children realize what has actually gone on with the American drug supply in recent years this is not experimenting with drugs now is not like it was in the 1960s where somebody had a few puffs of marijuana and got into the summer of love. This is a drug supply

obviously coming through Mexico, some of it made in Mexico, much of it made in China, synthetic opioids. And what happens is that a drug like fentanyl, which is lethal in the tiniest

imaginable quantities, has found its way into the supply of drugs like cocaine in America into the supplies of heroin if you're a habitual heroin user as I discovered you you might be on 10 bags of heroin a day but the fentanyl will give you a high because the heroin no longer does it but if you are somebody who is totally unused to the fentanyl and takes a recreational drug and as I found out you know fentanyl has even been found in the weed supply in America so and there are people who have died thinking they're going to smoke a joint and the

joint has got fentanyl in it and they the catastrophic injuries this causes i mean somebody who i spoke with um who's a couple whose daughter died of it's one of three professionals in new york who died one one friday night um a couple of years ago because they're the drug dealer the supplier in New York to young professionals was selling cocaine laced with fentanyl and he'd cut it himself so he had a total responsibility for that but one of the grieving parents told me that the people who that when the first responders the police went into her apartment to her and the other people it was like they'd been shot in the back of the head the body just it just collapses it's it's it's unbelievably dangerous what is

happening and as I say until people realize this and that it's really different from anything we've seen before this is going to just keep rocketing out of control so I have a lot of follow-up questions I'm going to do one more on Trank before I get back into fentanyl because I have a lot of questions about what you said about fentanyl tell me the why on Trank real quick like so I think you said in the documentary it's for large animals it depresses the central nervous system so what is that it's it's is an opioid type effect and people are choosing to take it and are they mixing it with something or they're just getting their hands on this horse cocktail and taking it and watching their

skin eat away they're getting their hands on it probably not i mean i spoke to one uh addict who so said that it has sort of found his way it's way into the drug supply that he had and he'd been injecting for about eight years i think and uh and it he certainly wasn't wasn't eager to be taking Trank, but it had ended up in his drug supply. But quite often this seems to happen, like with the fentanyl, because the drug that's being cut in to the main drug is cheaper. And I would expect that somewhere back in the line, whoever's cutting the drugs, has put in Trank as a relatively cheap substitute for something else like heroin.

But yes, I mean, it's probably... It looks like leprosy. they it's like leprosy it looks like they have leprosy it's also um it causes this horrific thing which i saw a lot of in philadelphia and and elsewhere but particularly in philly where people kind of freeze like statues i mean they they there's oh is that what i see those videos that they're on trank those people yeah a lot of those are on trank and they literally just will stand up they'll remain standing hunched over and freeze and just be like that for ages.

And, you know, you discovered by, I mean, you discover so many interesting and awful things when looking at this subject. But I mean, one thing I discovered was that I spoke to a local doctor who said, you know, well, the thing is the hospitals aren't very keen on bringing these people in. Because if we were, you know, we obviously have a duty to revive them. But they can very often get violent with the medical staff because they've interrupted their high. Now, you and I might think, well, what the hell was the enjoyment you were getting from being a frozen statue on a street? But, you know, we're dealing with a real crisis here.

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of death they're sitting there beginning to hold hands with the devil right and you bring them back to the light life and they're mad you mad you messed up their high with Narcan. That's right. And by the way, unless anyone think, again, that this is some kind of fringe problem in America, Narcan, you've just referred to, the thing that can revive somebody

from an overdose. It's a nasal ingestion spray, and you just shoot it up somebody's nose, and it kind of kicks the brain back to life. You know, Governor Hockel and the health authorities in

New York State recommend that all New Yorkers carry Narcan with us. That is the recommended health advice in New York State that every New Yorker should be walking around with Narcan. Now you may say, well, well, why? Because of the enormous number of overdose deaths in New York. Now, again, again, about what I said at the beginning well, you know, that's not normal or it shouldn't be normal,

that that is the health advice for New Yorkers that because you're likely to stumble over somebody overdosing on the subway in the street or a party, you should have this thing that was previously only used and needing to be used by medical professionals. I didn't realize, so I've seen those pictures and they all come from that Kensington Street in Philadelphia of those people frozen, like you said.

And what's wild about them being frozen is they're so off balance. They look like they would tip over with the slightest push. So I don't know what it is in Trank. It shuts down the central nervous system, but somehow maintain some balleretic ballerina balance in there. I don't know how they're standing, is the point. They should be on the ground.

I don't get it. Well, a lot of people are on the ground. I mean, I saw a guy inject an overdose. And I don't know if he overdosed. He suddenly injected just as I was there. And so went staggering down the street. And these bizarre movements. as you say it's like the body and flight it's and then he just sort of collapsed down the street

and lay there you know and you know it's and one of the sad things about it a young school girl a young black american school girl walked past said to me is he dead i was just checking that his lips weren't going blue i said i don't think so and i actually said this is effed up this is effed up you know that was her this is a school girl like why why is she growing up in a city of which she's just used to treading over potentially dead bodies. Back to fentanyl. So, you know, the answer is easy, and I think you've already given it to us. I guess the answer is tolerance.

But we talk so much about fentanyl and how, like, you know, one microgram of fentanyl can kill you. But then you've got in your documentary a guy outside of, by the way, a safe use center, shooting it up himself, fentanyl. He's got a needle, and he's shooting fentanyl. into his arm and I and I'm like how is he doing that when we hear all these stories of other people who encounter even cops you know some microgram of it and get killed and I guess I guess the answer is just tolerance it's a tolerance thing I discover that guy in question yes that was just in

Washington Heights um and uh he uh uses heroin uh therefore needs and the heroin um that he takes keeps him I didn't realize this until then. It just keeps you at a level. It doesn't actually give you a high after a certain amount of time. So the high is sought from the fentanyl. Now, he has a particular tolerance for it because he's obviously doing it all the time.

And yeah, and he burned up the fentanyl shot it up in front of me in the street, which I didn't ask him to do. He just showed me. And there was a cop car just behind us. And, you know, the lights flashing. I was sort of, you know, couldn't believe it really um but i also spoke to a dealer in uh on camera who said to me that

that the the he said that the danger with his clients was that uh if they are taking if they're taking uh heroin plus fentanyl and they go to into prison for some other offense or sometimes a drug related offense not often it seems um the the danger point is when they come out because they're immediately trying to go on what they had before. Whereas, in fact, if they've had any withdrawal in prison, which they're likely to have done, their tolerance for the fentanyl has gone back down. So he said actually quite often what happens is people come out of prison.

They take what they were taking before and they die. I've heard that about rehab as well. Yeah. Yeah, people to go to rehab don't realize their tolerance has been totally adjusted, do what they did before they went into rehab. and die. Dealers actually, so, so, Douglas, you and I've had conversations about, you know,

Israel, Ukraine. I've always made this argument. I, you know, I don't think we've ever talked about this in particular. Specifically in Iran, and I'm going to tie this into drug dealers, but like, I've always seen Iran, Douglas, as a rational actor, meaning, yeah, they have a dystopian, you know, or in their minds, utopian worldview of total Islamic domination. But in pursuit of that irrational goal, they will make rational choices, meaning self-preservation, survival.

That's the most ultimately at the base. That is the most rational human motivation. Like, if we all understand that everybody on the same page wants to continue to survive, we can at least move forward with some rational steps. That's the hard thing about a suicide bomber. Can't do anything about that guy. He's off the reservation when it comes to reason. The drug dealer is a rational actor. Like, he doesn't want to get busted.

He doesn't want to lose his clientele to death. So I've always been curious. You even have that drug dealer who cut his coke with fentanyl. And a shocking moment, he's got a text to another dealer saying, hey, give this to some girls and see what happens. It's an irrational act. Now, maybe he's a moron, right? But I would think that drug dealers, Douglas,

wouldn't want to be poisoning their clientele. I would think they wouldn't want to be giving people who don't want fentanyl. fentanyl because they either risk arrest or death and so I can't I've never been able to figure out why fentanyl is in things where the client doesn't want it to be fentanyl so quite often it's simply that the drugs are mixed in you know a laboratory if you want to call it that in Mexico and that the standards of hygiene and separation and separation of powers isn't exactly what it could be in a Mexican drug lab, who'd have thought.

So a lot of it is going to be at that point in the supply. The dealer who you refer to there who killed the three people in New York, it was found guilty of their deaths and sentenced to prison. Yes, what he did is that he seemed clear that he knew that he had what he called strong staff. and then when he didn't hear from the three people he'd sold to that evening he tried to sell it on to another dealer he was completely culpable but you're right that that's relatively unusual and and dealers that I spoke to said that well you know I wouldn't do that why would I cut other drugs in I want the

client to remain hooked I want their business right but I think what you have to realize is is simply, you know, maybe you'll get a dealer like that. Maybe you'll get one like the one who was going around Manhattan selling fentanyl-l-laced cocaine. The whole thing has become such a deadly gamble. And you could say, well, it always was. And that's true to some extent, but not like this. And so, you know, I said in my series of pieces in the post

about this whole crisis that the reason why I wanted to start in Philly and end with that particular story of the three New York professionals was I don't think this is Americans don't think this is other people problem don't think this is like lower class working class you know people whose lives aren't in order anything no it it may not affect you but the likelihood it'll somebody you know or somebody you love has become very, very high in America. We have a postal service that one dealer said to me is the best and biggest drug supply operation in the U.S. So it's not just big towns, it's small towns, it's everywhere.

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Join me every Monday to dive deeper into the latest political headlines and chat with remarkable guests. Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com or wherever you download podcasts. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. I have. I mean, I can't say that I've had like anybody in my family or even maybe a one degree of separation to my family who has died of fentanyl. but I think two to three degrees of separation, the answer is definitely yes. I know this family who sent their kid to college, he bought an Adderall online dead.

I know this family who went to college, bought this Xanax online fentanyl dead. Those stories, and we're not talking about the ones that you're on the news, they're the ones that you hear at the barbecue. You know, those stories are definitely around. I mean, I pray it doesn't touch much closer, but that's the one thing I tell my boys,

do not take pills any kind of pill you don't and by the way you know i don't want my boys doing anything right um i have not heard anecdotally the story of the of weed that you talk about i haven't heard that one the story in your documentary is cocaine i've heard about the pills um but if it's getting in everything you know i mean i got to be honest i even watch a documentary i was like i'm addicted to zen now it's a regulated over the product over-the-counter product that's the nicotine pouches i'm like what do i know about what's in it you know i mean everything you're taking at some point it just gets terrifying well yeah i mean i mean the the reality of that at least you know you're buying it from a regulated uh source yeah you know i mean the the tragedy of the

kind of and i've heard even more since the documentary came out i've heard from a lot of families across america and one of the ones that is is yes is is is what you just referred to which is somebody buying pills in Mexico, for instance, thinking that they are Xanax and they turn out have fentany. It happened again just a couple of weeks ago. A young college guy went to Mexico on a holiday with his friends and bought something he thought was just going to be a downer and it killed him. So, you know, I just think that... Oh, in Mexico, those look like pharmacies too. Absolutely, exactly. They look like pharmacies. You walk up, you're like, this looks professional. you know yeah and sometimes there's even a person in a white coat you just don't know what it is actually

they're selling you and i i just think there's i'm glad you said that about you you know your kids because i think one of the things that american parents are going to have to realize is that you know this is different this this the uh the the the whole society in a way we need to update our software our mental software about how we approach this whole issue and there you know i mean it's it's such a difficult issue that it's not something i i'm particularly dogmatic about i just say that you know that there are some people who think the solution is to make safe use sites or make sure the drug supply is tested more or there are places for safe injection or so on i think that solves a bit of the problem it doesn't solve the addiction problem it arguably ignites that

it could help solve the fentanyl poisoning problem but this is just vast will i mean as you know this is just a vast story i came away from your documentary going through it you know i was in australia recently and i australia has lots of problems but it doesn't have this problem oh it doesn't well i mean no one has the epidemic problem like america i mean fentanyl has its way into other markets it has cropped up in scotland uh it has cropped up in a lot of countries but i'm saying that the the phenomenon of like just accepting that your major cities will have people shooting up on the streets almost every other country in the developed world if you they every country has a drug problem every country but if you want to go to like

find the drug problem in glasgow you will have to go and find it and it's mainly going to be in like private houses and so but the idea that you're just your streets will be covered with it i had some friends visiting in new york a little while ago and you know first morning they're staying with me we walk out and a guy coming into my building says uh oh i wouldn't go right out right now i said why is a there's a guy's just shot up there and he's staggering around. Sure enough, outside my building in New York, there's a guy staggering around with a needle. These friends in the UK were like, what? I mean, like, that's normal. I say, yeah, that's kind of normal in New York. Yeah, yeah, there's a guy shooting up heroin in his arm and staggering around the

street. Yeah, that's kind of normal. Other people don't think it's normal. They just don't. Right. No, and I got to be honest. I'll be honest. I don't see that a lot in New York. You know, I spend two or three days a week in New York. I'm in Midtown in the Upper West side mostly, but I don't, I don't see that. I'm not rebutting that it exists. I just, you know, your documentary was a little depressing, well, as it would be. I don't have to do a comedy on this subject. Well, like you said, like you don't provide us at the end of solution. And I think it's because one doesn't exist, you know? I mean, the easy answer is do the minimum. The

would be secure the border best possible. That's not going to solve at all, right? But it certainly hurts it to the order's wide open. It is the minimum. Well, I mean, it just is. Everything has to start from there. It's like, how is it that synthetic Chinese opioids have ravaged America? They've got in.

They've got in. And, yeah, it doesn't solve everything. But securing the border should not be such, I, I mean, I also can't understand why it's a partisan issue. Why can't people just agree that if there was a way to save 100,000 Americans every year, this is a good thing to do. And it would be very, very much easier to save those lives if you simply secured the border. What, so you, just a couple more questions here, Douglas.

you talk about security the border, you talk about drug enforcement, you talk about laws, you talk about those safe use, you know, logistical areas. You've got that lady who's very good-hearted in the documentary, who's trying to help people who are in this situation. And she's basically like, you know, she kind of makes the argument for legalization. She says, you go to a bar, you know you're not going to buy moonshine and go blind. You know, we should do the same thing with drugs where, you know, at least we can ensure some level of safety, I guess, and regulation to it.

And I don't know where you are on that. And even as we're talking about, like, I do wonder, again, I don't know about marijuana being poisoned with fentanyl. I haven't heard that story, but I do wonder like, well, if that happens, is it happening in New Mexico and Colorado at the, you know, the legalized weed stores or is that a protection mechanism? I'm like you. I'm not dogmatic. I want to secure the border. I do think drugs should be illegal, but I'm not convinced that either of those positions solve this issue. No, I mean, there are people who simply say, well, we, you know, the war on drugs has failed, therefore, let's legalize.

Other people say we haven't really tried the war on drugs. Again, I would just go back to this point that this is different. This is different from previous drug issues. The problem with the idea of it legalizing it, as I see it, is that you have this really big problem, which is in the end it's not like going to a bar you know you can you can go to a bar right never never drunk rum before you'll order your rum it won't be moonshine and if you order a lot of rum you might have a sore head the next day but it's not likely you're going to die um the drugs we're talking about whether heroin or you know the other drugs that seem to be the major problems very

as opioids these are like they get you a lot further a lot faster than any of the of the things we have that are legal in society at the moment it's nothing like tobacco use it's nothing like the use of alcohol so i find that the idea that you would have these incredibly addictive and and lethal drugs sort of tested for that they don't have the ultimate lethality and them of something cut into them i i think would be to introduce an even wilder wild west into the american drug market and i i don't think it's one that society could actually live with i think it would cause a kind of complete breakdown um you know because you got to remember a lot of people they start off by just experimenting but you can experiment with alcohol and you know a lot of people have tricky relationships with alcohol throughout their whole life but it has nothing like the potency of what we're talking about with the drugs and you know we've seen it in recent years with of course the legal opioids that have been available on the american drug

market and the the horrors that that unleashed across america in terms of addiction so i don't think that's a good a good route and you know i have sympathy with the people who say look maybe we never will win this war probably it's not a winnable war but it's a war worth waging anyway i would simply say the for the most desirable thing is to get it off the streets that's that's the um that i mean that is just basic you know it's right to think about the rights of addicts and homeless people and others but it's also necessary to think of the rights of a population and if you get a safe use site like the one in washington heights go up near your home, around a 10 block radius from that site, there will be needles everywhere.

And residents up in Washington Heights have all testified to this, that since the safe use site opened, everywhere around it has gone down. Of course. Of course. So I'd say, yeah, think of the rights of these residents. We'll be right back on Will Kane Country. Listen to the all-new Brett Bear podcast featuring Common Ground, in-depth talks with lawmakers from opposite sides of the aisle, along with all your Brett Bear favorites like his All-Star panel and much more. Available now at Fox Newspodcasts.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

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into this one area of the city and let them have at it, whatever happens in that area of the city. It's also hard to find that legalization line like you're talking about. I think you're right. I was just in my head thinking maybe the line is something like, like you can, I, you know, I drink off and on. I think I have a healthy relationship with alcohol. I'd probably like anything else would like to drink more or less because it's, I know inherently it's not good for me, but you can, you know people who have, how about this, a not unhealthy relationship with alcohol? You could say the same thing about tobacco. Maybe you can make that same argument for marijuana. You can't come up with people that have a healthy relationship with heroin. I think, unless I'm, I'm open to the rebuttal of that in case somebody knows, but like, you know, we all know alcoholics. We all know people dying from emphysema, but we also know people who,

have a social drink and they have a healthy relationship with the vice you can't find that when it comes to the drugs that we're talking about no because you for obvious reasons i mean one is again is the they just magnificently addictive quality of it i mean you know there are certain drugs where users will tell you they tried it for first time and they thought oh this is good this is this is my drug and you know apart from anything else you become you know what i mean to riff of what you were just saying i mean you know we've all heard the phrase like functioning alcoholic there is no such thing as a functioning heroin user um there's not a functioning injector of hard or drugs uh by nature it will take over their life and

Again, on the toxicity thing, I mean, there's other drugs I didn't have time to go into in this documentary, but other drugs that are sort of seen as being party drugs, where again, because the strength has upped, it used to be like, you know, 18 months from getting onto the drug to like the bottom falling out of your life, which means, you know, you lose all your friends, you lose your partner probably, you'll, and you'll lose your house and your job. now the strength of some of these these drugs it means basically your life falls apart within a couple of months and jeez you know that's that's not enough time to calibrate really that's you know like people say i need to hit rock bottom i go you didn't need your life to hit rock bottom that fast and at a young age very often so i Our last thing, streets, street, I'm sorry, interrupt, go ahead. No, no, I'm saying, so, I mean, this is another example. Like, we have to be wiser to this. Parents have to be wiser. These kids have to be wiser to it. They were dealing in a totally different market now.

Streets of Kiev, for sure, and various parts of Ukraine, West Bank, Israel. Where does Kensington and Philadelphia or Washington, in heights late at night rank on your i don't feel so safe where i am right now scale why high actually quite high i mean i've been in really and um one of the things about war zones is that you um you you kind of always what it lives i my view is always i take the view on rockets and things which is it's just a roulette it may land on you and may not um but there's a sort of you know fatalism about it uh the only really unpleasant thing in the war zone i think is when you know you've got a sniper on you

and that's unpleasant because it feels personal. Well, it is personal. But the places like Kensington after dark, the problem is it can all just go south so fast. You just need one angry addict. I mean, I learned when I was there that a lot of the users come in in the daytime to buy their drugs and then get out

because they know it's unsafe after dark. And yeah, I mean, it's a very, very unsafe place. And I feel so sorry for the families who live nearby. You know, one of the unacknowledged, you know, consequences. It's not their fault. They happen to be in an area that's not that well off. But they did not need to live in an area where it's unsafe to go out of your house and where you will see unbelievable scenes all the time.

and so yes and i just had one other thing which is there is an element to this which again i don't understand the lack of urgency about this most of the women who are using uh will be you know people have said to me since the documentary came out like how do they afford this these kind of habits and one of the answers is most of the women will be selling their bodies in some way so this whole thing a lot of them will let me see say this whole thing has lots of extra dimensions of human misery apart from the drugs that come because of the drugs so you know if anyone thinks that's to be encouraged or you know tolerable i just say like what about what about taking this from a different route right what about

thinking of these women and whether or not that is the life which you should be laid out for them because i don't think anyone starts out wanting that life and they've got into it because of a toxic drug supply and a set of bad life decisions which you know we would all hope not to make but people make them right and that's one side of the spectrum the other is the intentional poisonings to take as you point out the documentary um america's youth um i think you just got to see it to be on honest, and it's right here if you're watching on YouTube, you can easily click over. It's Douglass Murray investigates America's drug crisis. It's really high quality, by the way,

Douglas, I know how hard of work these kind of things are. I know you put some work into this, your production team, your editing team. This took time, and this is really well done. So I think everyone should check it out. And I appreciate you jumping on with us today because after seeing it, I really want to talk about it. Thanks, Douglas. It's a great pleasure. Great to see you, Will. Take care. There you go. I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Douglas Murray. We hope you We'll download Will Cain Country at Spotify or Apple, and I will see you again next time. Listen ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcast,

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