Will Cain Country - ENCORE: Will Revisits A Conversation w/ Riley Gaines On Trans Athletes & Caitlyn Clark

Episode Date: July 5, 2024

Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes have Harrison Butker’s back while Oregon sees yet another trans athlete dominates the girls. Will breaks it all down with author of the new book Swimming Against the Current: Fighting for Common Sense in a World That’s Lost its Mind and host of Outkick’s Gaines On Girls Podcast, Riley Gaines. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Caitlin Clark, white privilege, trans athletes, and wisdom with outkicks, Riley Gaines. It is the Will Cain Show, normally streaming live every Monday through Thursday, 12 o'clock Eastern time. Fox News.com, Fox YouTube, Fox Facebook, and on terrestrial radio, market to market, coast to coast, but always on demand by just hitting subscribe at Apple or on Spotify. I've had a couple of conversations with Riley Gaines. Riley Gaines, former swimmer at the University of Kentucky, SEC champion, NCAA, great, Riley Gaines. But more importantly, brave, fighter, when it comes to the issue of keeping men out of women's sports. But this time, when I sat down with Riley Gaines, I realized there's something more than just talking about trans athletes.

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All that more. Coming up here with Riley Gaines. It is the Will Cain Show streaming live at foxnews.com. Fox YouTube, Fox Facebook, share, subscribe, like, and leave a comment. Come hang out with us here on the Will Cain. So that brings us to story number two, which is the author of a brand new book entitled, Swimming Against the Current, Fighting for Common Sense in a world that's lost its mind. Riley Gaines joins me now on the Will Cain.

show. Hi, Riley. How you doing? Well, thank you so much for having me on. I'm good. I'm honored to be on with you. I always love having you on, Riley. I know you were hanging out. You were listening to what I had to say about Caitlin Clark. You got a new book about fighting for common sense. What do you think about dismissing Caitlin Clark as pretty privileged, tall privilege, white privilege? I had seen the article. I hadn't actually watched the video yet. I had no idea that they said tall privilege. Oh my gosh, how remarkable is that? I was mind blown by that. That's for sure. I think it's astounding that you have progressive and liberals who have said for so long, you know, why won't anyone watch the WMBA? Okay, now Caitlin Clark emerges and people start

watching the WMBA and they say, well, she's just pretty tall and white. That's what this is. It's astounding. Caitlin Clark has not got the coverage and the attention that she has rightfully gotten because she is white, tall, or pretty. It's because she's a phenom. I mean, just some of her accomplishments. She's the Big Ten all-time scoring record. She's the leading Division I women's career scorer. She of course holds all Iowa records. I mean, the list goes on. It's the same thing watching the view. It's the same thing that Jamal Hill said, saying that Caitlin Clark is problematic. All Caitlin

Clark has done is sold out arenas, set TV viewership records. She's brought millions of new eyes to women's collegiate basketball and now on to the WMBA. So saying she is problematic, I mean, to me it sounds like she's the problem solver and speaking to Jamel Hill. This is no surprise coming from her, professional and long-time race baiter while at ESPN. I remember she once stated that rooting for the Celtics was like saying that Hitler was a victim. Yes. And, And she said this because the Celtics were viewed as white. She's labeled President Trump as a white supremacist. She called for a boycott of the Dallas Cowboys and their sponsors after Jerry Jones demanded

that his team would respect the flag, speaking of flags and symbols and the anthem. So all of this to say, I don't think we should be surprised the direction that we are seeing, the media, people like Jamel Hill take this topic. But let's be very clear. Caitlin Clark has gotten the coverage that she has gotten because she's amazing. It is fascinating, isn't it, that so many people who accuse the rest of the world constantly of being racist, cannot see the world but through the lens of race. Any issue presented to them is reduced to black and white. And I shouldn't move on, Rodley, without pointing out.

There was another privilege mentioned, I think, both in that LA Times article quoting Jamel Hill and on The View. The fourth bit of privilege, beyond pretty tall and white, is straight privilege. Her popularity is also due to the fact that she's not a lesbian, with some significant percentage of the WNBA being gay, that now here's this straight white girl comes in, and she gets all of this attention and popularity. It's amazing to me how they can say this. When we have a media outlet or media outlets, we have academia, we have corporate America. who consistently and constantly prop up people for not being straight. And even so, this is what the viewers want to see is Caitlin Clark. And again, I don't think it's to reduce it down to her physical attributes

or the fact that she is straight, white, tall, or pretty, which might I just had, I think anyone's pretty next to someone like Britney Greiner. But besides the point, it's just, it's mind-blowing is what it is. I don't think there's a lot of words for it. But I think the American people see this for what it is. I really do believe that. Anyone can watch that clip of these women on the view and call this exactly what it is.

And it's exactly what you said. It's inherently racist. It does no good for anyone. It doesn't do good for Caitlin Clark. It doesn't do good for the WMBA. It doesn't do good for black people who are playing in the WMBA. This is harmful to every single person involved.

And the American people see that. And this undercuts the idea of white privilege. I saw you retweet this from Barstall President Dave Portnoy. He said, if it's her race, then why aren't Diana Tarasi, Page Buckets, Cameron Brink, Sue Bird, Ella Deladon, Brianna Stewart, Sabrina Ainooscu, and Kelsey Plum, more popular. All of those, WMBA stars, by the way, white, but they haven't received the popularity and stardom of Caitlin Clark. So what is it? Could it be something beyond her race?

You know, I love your note of optimism, and I do believe you're correct when you say the American public sees beyond this. I think that common sense does, and I think most of America retains common sense. But whether or not it's pockets of insanity or elite levels of insanity, Riley, we keep seeing things that would make us think we're losing common sense in America. And I give you yet another example, this time from the state of Oregon, where a sophomore, boy, running in a track meet I don't know I want to be careful I was going to say dominate

I don't actually know if he dominated but he won he won the state track meet against females and I don't know and I want to be careful I saw you on Fox and Friends so you kind of referenced it loosely

but I don't really know how often this is happening anymore but the anecdotal incidences of it happening just are getting to be undeniable it's clearly happening in Connecticut

in Oregon in state after state where men are entering women's sports and winning titles. Of course it is. And I do know how often this is happening because I receive messages daily every single day from young girls, from parents, from coaches,

from just concerned everyday common sense Americans who intuitively know that men and women are different. I receive messages daily, just like this story out of Oregon. You said you didn't know if he dominated. At the state championship, he didn't necessarily dominate. Yes, he won.

But the meat qualifying for their state championship, he won by over 50 meters is how much he won by. In the 200, right? In a 200. This is a boy who had never run track and field before. His background actually was in weightlifting. He had started running that season and wins the state championship. Keep in mind, these girls are not scrubs.

Several of these girls are committed to Division I, colleges to continue their athletic and academic careers. I believe the girl, he beat out in the 200, I was going to Vanderbilt to continue running. So look, in SEC school, these girls are not scrubs, and they got beat by a boy who had only just begun running. But again, we can't be surprised. It's the same story virtually every single time. And this is what I said on Fox and Friends. It's a seemingly mediocre, less than a an average boy who would be just that in the men's category but then decides to go into the women's category and becomes a record smasher. We're not seeing this happen the other way around. We're not

seeing girls decide to identify as boys and go in to boys' sports and dominate. We're not seeing girls identify as boys or women identify as men going into men's prisons. No, this is happening and it's most often adversely affecting women. Riley, forgive me. I think you and I have talked about this. Remind me of your events at Kentucky. What did you swim? What were your primary events?

I swam freestyle and butterfly. Sprint. Mid-distance sprint, yeah. So like in the fly, did you do the 100 fly? In free, did you do the 100 free? I did the 200. So in the 200 Butterfly, I swam a time of one minute 51 seconds, which is the SEC record. It makes me one of the fastest Americans of all time.

Just out of curiosity, Riley, what's your 100 fly time? I believe my 100 fly time is 51, maybe. Okay. Do you know 100 free time off the top of your head? 47. Okay. I was hoping for my own ego and some illustration of the difference between men and women that my times, I was a high school swimmer, walked on to a water pole team. It might be comparable, but you smoke me.

You smoke me because you're not just – maybe I'm less than me yoker, and you're way more than average when it comes to girls. I think – so my 100 fly was 54, and you said you were 51, and my 100 free was probably like a 49, and you said 47. So, you know, it is what it is. Raleigh smokes will. Now there's a difference in it. There's another gap, not just our gender gap, rally, is the time gap. You're very young. I'm very old.

And times get faster as time goes on. You know what I mean? Like, that's just swimming. I think tracks the same way. You can't compare times from 20 years ago to times today. It's weird. I don't know what that reflects because there's not that many technological advancements. There was the suit thing, you know, for a while.

while but um it's just human beings getting bigger stronger faster totally i am glad that i am done swimming now because you're right it's a whole new era of of speed and skills that's that's for sure uh but we did swim the same events um free and fly okay so i was going to ask you this when you said i get messages all the time can you just give me an example i'm curious like you said it's happening all the time i don't doubt that but we You're very inside this entire story and this entire movement. And you've become a voice not just of reason and strength, but you've become, I'm sure, a safe place for many people who are experiencing out there in America to turn to, to talk to, and ask for help.

So I'm curious what they say and what kind of messages you're getting and, you know, just give me an example of what you receive. Let me just read you a couple. These are just from over the past, I mean, few days even, not that long. This one says, hello, my name is Blank. I was encouraged to reach out to you after I competed against and lost in a head-to-head sudden death playoff at a professional golf tournament to an athlete who is a male. I was appalled by what I witnessed in the differences that occurred between the regulation holes in the sudden playoff. The boy, on average, hit it about 10 yards longer than me throughout the entire competition and over the last two events. I've played in 56 holes total with this boy.

So I believe I have a high understanding of his swing, his swing speed, his ball flight, and distances. Yet when the playoff began, suddenly he began swinging the club 10 to 15 miles per hour faster, increasing the length of his shot by 30 plus yards, giving him an advantage he had not previously had during the prior holes. He loves to claim that his distance has greatly decreased

since undergoing surgery and hormone treatment, but the only thing proven to me was that he is scaling it back, swinging only 70% because it's still plenty, plenty long enough, yet keeps people silent. Then when desired, he can turn it up to 100%. That's one. This one right here says, hey, I need advice. I'm a freshman at blank high school. I play basketball, volleyball, soccer. Sports are one of my favorite things. And tonight in a basketball game, our varsity team just lost because they have men playing on their girls team. I don't know what to do. We get yelled at when we stand up for ourselves, but I know we shouldn't be silent. What should I do?

do. I mean, I could keep going. Well, again, these are just this week. It's every single day. And it's the same, again, it's the same theme. Girls who want to stick up for themselves, girls who are terrified and understandably so, because they're threatened. They face threats and risk and intimidation from either their schools, administrators. It breaks my heart. That's why I so fiercely and so passionately care about this topic. Because again, I'm done, computer. You couldn't pay me to get into a pool. I would probably drown if I started swimming again. People say, oh, you're the swimmer.

I say, no, I am the swammer. That is what I am. I do not actively swim. You'll come back. I am a swammer. I don't know about that will. But again, this is why I care so much. There's a website and it's called she1.org

and we help contribute to the instances that have been accounted for counted for of women losing out on opportunities. And it's over 960 medals and trophies that have been taken from women by less than average men. 960. There's your anecdotes for you. Right. And thank you for sharing those with us. By the way, again, as a lifelong swimmer, you'll come back. And I mean, everyone wants nothing to do with the pool when they're done. It's an awful sport, to be honest. I mean, you're isolated. cold and push to physical exhaustion twice a day, yeah, and the coach yelling at you, you're done when you're done.

But then one day you're going to come back, and maybe you'll swim the Navy SEAL swim with me in the summer, and that would be awesome, by the way. I would love for you to do that. This is the transition to your book. The book is called Swimming Against the Current, Fighting for Common Sense, and a world that's lost its mind. I'm going to ask you, because I think you address all of this in the book. you also talk about it's in part of memoir you talk about your life so i'm going to ask you this question

in the context of the book that last uh email or text or message you received said what is your advice so what is your advice what do you talk about in swimming against the current well um i appreciate you asking this and it's something again i hear every day from from everyone not limited to just female athletes people saying what can we do how can we help push back um there's certainly a part in the book that speaks to, yes, it speaks to women. Yes, it speaks to parents. It speaks to, again, coaches. It speaks to our spiritual leaders who we so desperately need. It speaks to men. I think so often we ask ourselves the question of where are the feminists, which is a very valid question. And again, don't get me started on that. But I think just as often as we ask ourselves the question of

where are the feminists? We should be asking ourselves the question of where are the men? Why has this battle fallen almost entirely on the shoulders of young girls and women? So there are certainly parts in the book that address this in a much longer form, but what I will say, what we can do as everyday people, is one, first and foremost, and this has been the most central, at least in terms of something I had to understand in my life, is to trust God's calling for you. I did not feel prepared for this role. Certainly not. But I understand now that he doesn't call those who are prepared.

He prepares those who he calls. So answer when he calls. Secondly, we need parents who are willing to defend their kids. Again, the messages I receive from parents, they always, almost always say, well, I work in corporate America. There's just not a lot I can do or else I'll lose my job. Do I have to care about your own child? more than you do. If this isn't a hill you're willing to die on, a sacrifice you're willing

to make, then what in the world is? So we need to see parents who are willing to defend their daughters, defend their kids, teach their sons how to be strong men. All of those things are more in the book. How do they do that, Riley? You know, it's been, I think, something that I've said, I know my co-host, Rachel Campos-Duffie said the way you do that is not just raising your voice, but you got to walk off too. You got to walk off the field and decline to participate under these circumstances. Absolutely, and I'll tell you,

I've changed my mind on this. I didn't think that at first. Obviously, I competed against this boy. I didn't think it was fair for me, someone who had worked my entire life, 18 years of my short 22-year-old life at that point, the sacrifices that I had made, the dedication, the time, the hours,

the grueling practices. I didn't think it was fair for me to, to have to compromise in that way. I thought legislation will fix this. That's what I thought, truly. What a naive thought to wait for people to do the right thing unprovoked. We would be waiting for forever will. And when I changed my mind, I remember it pretty vividly was when the Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act was introduced in the U.S. House by Representative Greg Stuby, and it fell entirely on party lines, meaning 219 Republicans voted in favor,

of protecting women and girls in sports and all 203, every single last one of them, mothers and fathers of their own young daughters, all 203 Democrats voted in opposition of protecting women and girls in sports, and that's when it hit me. If we waited for legislation or policy makers or these elected bureaucrats and judges and officials

to do the right thing, like I said, we'd be waiting for forever. That's when I decided and changed my mind. it is up to us. If you are faced with competing against a boy, don't participate in the farce. I think people, and we're getting to that point, we've seen that, and we've seen it be effective.

There was a jiu-jitsu tournament down in Georgia, two boys set to compete against the girls. And yeah, this is jiu-jitsu. You're like putting heads between legs and squeezing and all kinds of stuff. but four girls said we're not we're not getting on the mat with a boy and within 21 hours not even a full 24 hours nagga which is the national grappling association changed their policy and said okay boys can't compete with the girls we saw it in west virginia recently five brave

13 year old middle school girls middle schoolers um they decided and again they reached out to me said Riley, are we not worthy of calling ourselves champions? Why do we have to fight for second place? How in the world does that not break your heart? 13-year-old girls have very loudly and clearly heard the message that they aren't worthy. Tragic is what that is. But they decided they wouldn't compete against a boy, a boy who had been taking hormone blockers since he was eight years old, which is what I would describe as criminal. Nonetheless, they all stepped out of the ring track and field they were throwing shot put and they just won a court case uh which is which is huge news so all of that to say the most powerful and effective way to say no enough is enough

is by not participating i think it's what you have to do and it's um a convenient perch from which i say that because i'm not in the field and i know like you said you competed against lea but you know in your sport and i'll consider it my sport as well and other sports like track i sat there on a thought to myself well you know what you could do is you could you could run your race you could swim your race and the reason why is it's such an individualized sport and you know this riley you compete against yourself often as much as you compete against somebody else you're always trying to better your own time right and so i said i thought if i'm in that situation maybe i swim and maybe I my goal is not to beat Leah Thomas my goal is to to hit a PR right another personal record

or break some other time record and then when it comes time to accept the medal or whatever no I won't participate in that I won I saw what happened here's my time it was the fastest time among girls but other sports don't have that same type of um you know circumstance they don't have that same type of situation certainly not jujitsu and so like I think even though I kind of put myself hypothetically into the situation that you were in or any other track and field or swimmers or whatever really honestly you got to just say no in the end otherwise it's always going to be this deal where there's a fake winner and a real winner you know there's just got to be a real competition totally and to your point i understand as well it's easier said than done um again

because of all the effort you know that all the effort you've put in and then you're like and i'm going to opt out now i've been building all these years to this meat you know and now i'm not going to get to swim because some dude is in the middle lane right and the threats and the risk that these girls face you heard and in just that one message that i shared we're were reprimanded if we say anything i know that's real again i face that but there are no grounds for any university any institution any entity to actually take action for um you silently or peacefully or or whatever you want to call it freely expressing your opposition to competing against a man that's what people need to realize and that's what the girls in west virginia sued over uh all five of the girls who stepped

out were then banned they banned the girls from girls sports rather than the boy no that would make way too much sense they banned the girls for for expressing their opposition and by conceding the their match um but then they went on to sue and they ruled it was entirely unconstitutional and viewpoint discrimination and these girls were allowed to compete so know your rights understand that this is the right side of history uh we we hear the word all the time inclusion and compassion and empathy let's be very clear it is not inclusive to ask a young girl to step aside and allow a man onto our podium that's not what inclusion is no that's exclusive and it's exclusive to the very female athletes who Title IX or the women's sporting category

was created to celebrate and protect. And it's not compassionate to ask a young girl to undress in front of a fully grown, fully naked, fully intact man. That is not what compassion is. So I think it's important to understand, one, our rights, but two, how our language has become entirely corrupt. well i love what you said about inclusion exclusion it's a point i've tried to make it's like inclusive of who you know you are excluding all of the girls who now have competed and trained

their entire life from reaping the the benefits and the spoils of their hard work um well i have you today i want to hit two current events and they're not unrelated um because we we talk about common sense common sense certainly is lost among um i guess our elite circles i saw you posting about this on x this hearing for a federal judge the other day where she granted the request based upon her a trans man I don't even trans woman so what was a man's request to go into a woman's prison and this guy was convicted of rape twice against a minor and then also subsequently convicted pled guilty to child porn trading in child porn and after all that this lady who's being asked as a Biden nomination to be approved to the bench, as a federal judge, granted this guy, based

upon his constitutional rights, the ability to go into a women's prison. This judge was raped over the calls by Senator Kennedy and Senator Cruz. But it's such an illustration. This is a person, this is an educated person. Maybe that's the problem. She went to Brown. But this is a person that we're entrusting with judgment, a judge, and she would choose to put a convicted rapist man into a women's prison. Disgusting is what this is. I encourage everyone to go watch that video. Senator Lee, Senator Cruz, Senator Kennedy,

they all had a really great line of questioning for this judge. But again, this is not unique. It's happening in New York. It's happening in Indiana, New Jersey, Ohio, California. Of course, in California. In recent weeks, in California alone, over 1,600 men applied to be women to get into women's prisons.

And they're being granted access into women's prisons. And it's the same story. It's these men who are convicted of heinous, awful things, majority of the time, some sort of sexual violence, violent crimes, child pornography, kidnapping, things of that nature. And they're getting into these prisons and they're impregnating these women.

You know what they did in California? I was actually on Super Bowl Sunday. The correctional officers worked overtime. They came into these all women's facilities, all women's institutions, and they installed condom dispensers and dental dams. And it's because now in these all women's prisons, AIDS and HIV are running rampant

because these male inmates who are coming from men's facilities, again, they're in these women's prisons and they're impregnating and raping these women. So now by installing condom dispensers, not only are they allowing for sexual intercourse, which is, is not supposed to be allowed in prisons. It's as if they're encouraging this behavior.

In New York, and they're all women's facilities, they have posted placards speaking to pregnancy prevention. Now, why would they have to speak to pregnancy prevention and in all women's facility? These federal judges, we've seen it across the board, they are failing at their most basic duty, and that's upholding the law. We've seen it in the 10th Circuit,

we've seen it in the Fourth Circuit, at watching these judges on this panel was almost comical if there weren't real consequences to this, to their actions. The other current event I wanted to hit with you was Chiefs Kicker Harrison Butker. It's a week old what he had to say. We saw the backlash to what he had to say at Benedictine College. But now what we've seen is head coach Andy Reid and quarterback Patrick Mahomes have his back. That seems big.

It's huge. And I think it's unique because these are two men who have spent an ample amount of time. I mean, what, Patrick Mahalam said he was, he's known for seven plus years. Andy Reid, obviously, I mean, on a day-to-day basis, spend time, spends time with Harrison Bucker. And they both said, this is an amazing person. Look, we are judging him by his character. No, we don't necessarily agree with everything he says or any of the other teammates, what they say all the time. But we can speak to his character.

And that's what the media has been missing out on. I was so stunned. I watched his speech, and I have my own thoughts about it. Of course, I agree entirely with his messaging. But, you know, it's a college graduation. Was it the right time to say it? I don't know. He did refer to women as homemakers.

Is that probably the best verbiage? Probably not. Also, the fact that he is someone who makes a substantial amount of money in this economy, not all women or household families. families. I think both parents have to work in many cases. And so I have my own thoughts there. Entirely agree with his message. But I was stunned to see this get the media coverage that it did. I mean, a week, like you said, a week it was the only thing on my timeline. Five years ago, six years ago, this wouldn't have gotten any coverage to be totally honest with you and understandably so

because this was a devout Catholic speaking at a Catholic institution, invited. to speak at this university to share a message heavily based and rooted in Catholicism. I was stunned to see the coverage that this got. But the leadership we saw by Coach Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, and I would imagine several other teammates, a part of the Chiefs, that was huge. So, Riley, a little bit earlier, and we'll start ending it up here, but a little bit earlier, you said, I want not just women, but men to stand up against all of this insanity. I'm just curious as I was listening to you, are you frustrated? I mean, to a much smaller degree, I know

a little bit of what your position is. I know what it means to be one person inside of an institution who's saying something and knowing that many more people agree with you. And being a little frustrated, well, why don't you say something too? You know, I know and I've had that experience at a much smaller level. You're doing this at a much greater level. And I was just curious listening to you when you said that, like, do you feel a little personally frustrated that you're doing something, taking a position so rooted in common sense, but requiring so much strength because it probably does feel lonely? Beyond frustrated.

At first, when I took this stance and I had people reaching out to me, renowned athletes, male and female, who we all know, they would message me and say, thank you for doing what you're doing. I can't say anything because I have sponsorships and I have endorsements and different partners. I can't say anything, but you keep taking those arrows. I thought to myself at first, you know, I was very humbled by this. I was honored by this. Right. Cool at first. I very quickly lost that sympathy. We are governed by some of the weakest morally bankrupt, spineless cowards. And again, every realm. the NCAA, even the president of the NCAA at the time,

Mark Emmert, who of course now the president is Charlie Baker, but the president during all this national championship stuff, Charlie Baker, I mean, excuse me, Mark Emmert, he publicly released a statement saying he unequivocally stood in his decision to allow Leah Thomas to swim with the women because it was based in evolving science. But privately, he tells me, Riley, you keep fighting, you keep going. Excuse me, the audacity to say that as if he,

He's not the one that we're fighting. Same thing in the U.S. House and the U.S. Senate. When I testified before, I've testified before Congress and Senate many times. But when I testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Senator Cory Booker comes up before the hearing, and he says, of course, a Democrat. He says, look, I played football at Stanford. I totally know where you're coming from. I get it.

And then he gets on the other side of the table and starts grilling me. weak, weak leaders at every level in this nation. So all of that to say, I'm not only frustrated, but I'm disheartened by the people who are unable to say something as simple and easy as men and women are different. So well put. So, Raleigh, swimming against the current, fighting for common sense in a world.

world that's lost, it's mine. It's out now. You talk about a lot of these issues. You talk about your life. What else should we know about swimming against the current? Yeah, it was a whirlwind, a fun process to be able to sit down and write this book. As you said, it speaks a little bit to my background. The family that I come from, it speaks to not national championships. It speaks to, of course, the unfair competition, the locker room aspect of what we face, the silencing that we faced, ultimately how we got here, the broader picture of what this means, because make no mistake, this is so much bigger than just not getting to hold the trophy on the podium, so much bigger than just women's sports. It speaks to the trajectory of where we're going,

and again, what we can, what we can do as everyday, everyday people. Raleigh, how old are you? I just turned 24. oh my god i feel the reason i'm i can't reason i can't believe that and here's the thing okay you you you might feel lonely um and and you might feel like you're the target of so many arrows i think you're also the target of a ton of compliments um for sure and i know you're you're aware of that um and i think at such a young age to be showered with compliments and with arrows can create a warped view of the world in an individual, you know, and sometimes people can't be ready for these things, you know, like not just ready for compliments and arrows, but also

ready for the depth of exposure. And I think, you know, the third time, you know, I've spoken, the second time we've spoken on camera, maybe. And I mean, here's yet another compliment that you'll have to take in stride. And that is the depth and breadth of your ability to speak to not just this one topic, which you've kind of become the voice on, but an understanding of so much more is way beyond remarkable for someone 24 years old. And I wasn't, and this is my job, and I've always had a passion and interest in, you know, the law and law school and philosophy and understanding things and all of that was built into getting to a point of view that it takes a long time in life to be confident on that ground and I'm blown away honestly yeah okay you've got you've got

the trans issue locked down but my feeling is you could probably speak intelligently and thoughtfully on any host of issues and stand up to a grilling as someone who has testified before congress you would hope but I don't know I just I think that's one more compliment that I want to offer you I'm just 24 years old and so thoughtful in the bottom line just so thoughtful and I imagine swimming against the current is going to give us all some insight into how you arrived at this place at the age of 24. So I think everybody should go buy the book. Well, thank you, Will. That actually is probably my favorite compliment I've ever received. So that's very sweet. And like you said, the support, the encouragement, the kind words, it's tenfold anything negative, without a doubt.

So thank you. well keep it up who knows where this life is going to take you but we can start by understanding where your life got started and swimming against the current thank you riley gains thanks well there you go hope you enjoyed that conversation with riley gains hit subscribe apple or spotify and we'll see you again next time listen to ad free with a fox news podcast plus subscription on apple podcast and amazon prime members you can listen to this show ad free on the amazon music app this is jason chaffetz from the jason and the house podcast Podcast. Join me every Monday to dive deeper into the latest political headlines and chat with

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