Will Cain Country - Erika Kirk Shares Charlie's Final Message

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

Story 1: Chairwoman and CEO of Turning Point USA, Erika Kirk joins Will to discuss the life and legacy of her late husband, Charlie Kirk. Erika goes over the message of Charlie’s final book, which he was scheduled to go on tour to promote in these very weeks, sharing how she and Charlie would disconnect from technology in order to be more present for one another. Erika also addresses the conspiracies surrounding Charlie’s assassination, and shares what Charlie would have wanted his legacy to be.Story 2: Will and The Crew react to his conversation with Erika Kirk, discussing whether they plan to disconnect more from technology. Plus, they take a closer look at how algorithmically fed content fuels the spread of conspiracy theories, particularly in the wake of tragedy.Story 3: Will and The Crew revisit last night’s FOX Christmas party from the perspective of Tinfoil Pat, who also gives his review of New York City after his first night in town.Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Wilcane Country. But let's get into story number one. Erica Kirk is the chairman and CEO of Turning Point USA. She is also here to talk about Charlie Kirk's last book, in the name of God, why honoring the Sabbath will transform your life. Hi, Erica. Hi, good morning. So I'd love to ask you just to start how you're doing, but I don't mean that as a broad ranging global question. I mean that on two fronts specifically that tied to today. Number one, how are you doing? You've been doing so much media. You're up here doing the box. So many interviews, Erica. I know. And that's the thing is that that's not something that I woke up one morning and said, I need to go on all of these TV shows.

I need to go on all of these podcasts. That's not at all how this happened. My husband finished this book back in July. All of this media, his media book tour itself was scheduled for all this whole time. It's already been scheduled. Every public speaking event that I have had outside of the memorial has been because my husband was supposed to do that. And I was honoring my husband and I was honoring his friendships. And for example, Megan Kelly, that last tour stop was supposed to be my husband.

Another example, New York Times with Andrew Ross Sorkin. That was an event my husband was supposed to do with him for deal books because his book was about to come out. Everything this week was because my husband was supposed to do that for his book tour. I cannot wait for a peaceful Christmas. That's what I'm looking forward to, being with my babies, focusing on Turning Point USA, putting our heads down and continuing to. get to work because we have midterms coming up and having an amazing 2026. This is not I am not looking to become a political pundit. I don't need a TV show. I don't want a TV show. I don't

want a radio show. I have my marching orders. I'm here to honor my husband and I'm here to do a service to him of making sure that his book gets out in the hands of millions across this world so that it can make a difference. That's what and yes, I'm, I'm, I'm doing just fine. I have my tea this morning. I got a good night's sleep and here we are, we're rolling. I'm glad. I know how exhausting it can be to be on so many different shows.

I hope you're honoring the Sabbath. I did learn recently in reading a new book, stopping the name of God that you can't just tell yourself that this will pass, that there'll be a new season, that you can rest when it's over. You have to be honoring that. I'm curious, are you amidst this entire whirlwind? Erica, are you honoring the Sabbath?

You have to pick and choose. There's times where I will turn my phone off for a few hours. Um, I've, I've, I haven't, I didn't choose just one specific full day as of yet. It used to be Friday night, all day Saturday, as you can imagine, things are a little frenetic, but also my mom is very sick. So I want to be able to be available in case she does go back into the hospital. So I'm trying to keep all of that in, in mind. Um, but if someone needs to get a hold of me, they will know how to get a hold of me.

So for example, in the book, he also talks about how you can sunset your devices. So once five o'clock hits, unless it's an absolute emergency and the world is burning, get a hold of me. If it's life or death, obviously get a hold of me. But once you set those boundaries, people respect them. And honestly, too, as we're trying to heal from this trauma, we're doing our best to make sure that as we continue forward, we're also creating our own little mini Sabbath throughout the day. So if that means you need to take an extra few hours and just breathe and go sit with the Lord, great because you can't do it on a full day. Do something. That's what this book is about. Do

something. It doesn't have to be perfect. It doesn't have to be legalistic. It doesn't have to be what everyone else is doing. Make it work for you. And that doesn't matter if you're a believer or a non-believer or if you're, you know, whatever you are. Just do what works best for you. And we will get into a little bit more of what Charlie talks about in Stop in the Name of God, which I did read this morning. I found it an incredibly compelling read. I actually, and and no offense to Charlie or to you, I think it's even more compelling than the title. I think this is going to apply to everyone,

regardless of even your own religiosity, your own belief. This is something that can make you a healthier person tied to biblical wisdom. And I do want to get into that in just a moment. But you're also, Erica, you're doing this, like what you just rattled off in a time of trauma,

doing all this media, running an organization, and then you're a mom, and then you have these two kids. I don't know how you balance. I truly don't know. I think of myself as, everyone listening probably does as well as a busy person. I know how incredibly busy your husband was, but yet you are also a mom. Yeah, I am.

But yeah, I got to tell you, it takes a village, and we have one heck of a village. Charlie handpicked all of the leadership on our team at Turning Point USA, Turning Point Action, the Charlie Kirk Show. He handpicked everyone, and that's what's so special, and that's what we even, I've told people this before, you know, our staff and everyone on our team were so mission focused and we realize even more so when it's like you, when you go to war with someone, that's a totally different level of just human instinct. I can't explain it, but the bond between all of us is way deeper than a nine to five. It's way more personal. I'm not saying that if someone does something

wrong, we don't fire them. That's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is that we are so bonded with something right now that is so traumatizing, but also we know and we believe so much in our God and his sovereignty and his goodness. And yes, it's painful, but we have a team that we can rely on. We're not doing this alone. I could not do this alone. And I do not take full credit. I am weak every morning I wake up. And when I wake up, I ask the Lord, give me grace. Fill me with your strength.

This is not human. This is not human. This is God. And I give him all the glory. Like I said to Glenn Beck earlier, this is, I don't care about the rest of the world's judgment. I don't. I have an audience of two. That's my lord and that's Charlie.

I mentioned to you that I wanted to ask you how you were doing based on two specifics. One is the requirements of your job right now and all of these media appearances. But the other is that today, today in just a couple of hours, Charlie's alleged assassin, Tyler Robinson, is going to make his first court appearance. How are you doing in that, in the reality of that news? you know what's so interesting well is that what i have found throughout this whole process is how our school system has really failed to educate us on how an actual trial works we are so used to law and order shows that we think it will be solved in a half hour that's not how this works. I personally am having our attorneys watch it. I have zero desire to look at that man

on camera. When the trial starts, it's a whole different ballgame. But right now, I guard my peace. I guard my heart and I guard my mind. I don't need to look at you. I have nothing to say to you. I know that this hearing is addressing having cameras in the courtroom. And I believe we strongly need to have cameras in the courtroom and i again i want people to be knowledgeable on the standpoint of this is a this is this is a this is a murder case my husband was murdered he did not die in a car accident so what i would love is for people to read up a little bit more or have others out there who understand the court system, explain it to us all. Because I had questions too. I remember asking my attorney, wait, hold on. You're telling me that we have to wait

almost a full year for this court case. Like, that blows my mind. Even after you request a speedy trial, like, we're not just sitting here not having questions. I question everything. I don't do it publicly. I don't need to have that on the airwaves. I don't find that necessary. I never did. But I ask every day, all different types of questions, because I want nothing more than justice for my husband, for myself, and for my family, and for our whole team. Erica, you famously and inspirationally at Charlie's Memorial forgave Tyler Robinson. have you, or do you have a desire to ever meet or speak to Tyler Robinson? I have no desire to meet that man. Why would I? Would you want to meet the assassin who murdered

your wife? I highly doubt it. I don't know. Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately for this conversation, I can't sit in your seat. I pray, no, no, I pray you never do. I pray you never do, but I really What I mean by that is I'm home. I truly, Erica, this is my humility to you and to your situation. I don't know. I can't. I'm never in a seat. No, I truly.

And I appreciate that honesty. I will tell you though that I don't. I have nothing to say to him. I don't. I have nothing to say to him. I, you, forgiveness is not a weakness. Do I forget what he did? No.

Do I let that absorb and consume me? No. But I have nothing to say to you. You murdered my husband. I have to tell my daughter every day and explain to her why daddy's not coming home. Why am I going to waste my breath? Yeah. Talking to a man I have nothing to say to because words, I just, I'll guard my words.

You know, that I don't know portion of where I sit today, which I'm very fortunate to sit in that position, I'm fortunate to not know. I only know how others react, you know. and there are some, I guess, maybe seeking understanding. I've seen victims do that. Maybe do you, do you, let's presume that's why they do. I don't know why they do,

but some families do meet the people who perpetrate this horrible thing on their families. And I would assume it's for understanding. I don't know. It's probably closure. I mean, everyone's different. I don't need closure. I don't need understanding.

Evil's evil. I don't have any questions for him. I don't. I don't have any questions for his family. I don't. What this boils down to, honestly, is that he made a decision. One day, he decided to let the smallest seed of evil in his heart. He decided not to extinguish that evil.

Instead, he decided to feed it. I don't need to ask him why he fed it. Evil is evil. So he kept feeding it. Feeding it. to the point where he murders my husband. My husband challenged ideas. He had people come to the front of the line

who did not agree with him. He would put the mic down and listen to what they had to say. And if people heckled them in the crowd, he would say, you guys stop. This takes a lot. This takes a lot to come up to the front of the line and to the mic and to talk. He would give them a chance.

He would use his words for good. and he would put his mic down and let the other person talk and instead you know I have nothing to say to them I get it their actions speak louder than their words ever could

let's take a quick break but continue this conversation with the chairman and CEO of Turning Point USA Erica Kirk here on Will Kane Country This is Ainsley Earhart. Thank you for joining me for the 52 episode podcast series, The Life of Jesus. A listening experience that will provide hope, comfort, and understanding of the greatest story ever told.

Listen and follow now at foxnewspodcasts.com, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You said several things that I would love to follow up with, but I want to take now a minute to talk about the book, which I don't give gratuitous compliments. I mean it when I say this is a really good book, and this is fascinating. The idea of the Sabbath, you know,

the idea of taking time, time away. And Charlie talks a lot in this book about the phone. I mean, just what that device in and of itself is. But then what you do with that time as well, and obviously it's a lot about connecting and being present and connecting with God. Would you, I think a good way to do this might be, would you walk us through?

You said a moment ago, it was Friday night to Saturday, so you guys did it together. Can you just walk me through what that was like? He turned his phone off, you turned yours off Friday night. For sure. So I don't know if you're an athlete, but Charlie and I were both athletes. And for us, trigger words were really a thing, meaning psychologically when you say something, you're committed to it. So for him, on Friday night, he'd come home, kids would run up to him, drop his backpack, he'd grab them.

He'd look at me, give me the biggest kiss and hug. And he would say, he'd pull up his phone, like proudly, and he'd be like turning off, off the phone, throw it in the junk drawer and say, Shabbat Shalom and he was free. That was the first main distinction of my rest has started and we'd have a home cooked meal. We'd go to my moms or we would stay at our house, be with the kids or we would go on a date night. Charlie was huge on putting our marriage first because we came first. You put the marriage first and the kids and he knew how important that was and we loved each other so much and he was such a good husband to me. He served me so well because both of us who had a servant's heart. I served him. He served me. It was never keeping score. It was never saying, oh, you came home late or you missed this

or you missed that. We never did that. We were on the same team, always same mission. And so when he came home and that phone was off, there would be times, I'm not going to lie on Saturday, when it's college football season and the ducks are on, we would have the ducks on. Okay. That would be the one time that we would have some form of screen time, but Charlie needed rest. And for him, that was an outlet. He used to say that if he wasn't in politics, he wanted to be a college football coach. I've seen the videos. They're amazing. The videos are amazing. By the way. He was a phenomenal quarterback. He had a great arm. Yes. And so for us, it was just being family time. And then he would find moments once the kids were napping or, you know, if we were doing different things and he would work into his schedule, okay, now I'm going to go sit and be alone with the Lord or I'm going to write. He would journal all the time.

And he gave himself that piece of knowing, like, if I want to be the man that God needs me to be and I'm going to step up, I need to give God time to allow for that to happen, to soften my heart, to read, to become a thought leader. my husband wasn't a mudslinger. He was a thought leader. He didn't get bogled down into drama. He didn't get boggled down in calling people names. He didn't do any infighting. He was a peacemaker. He was a bridge builder.

And he was very intentional with his time. And he knew that with his time, he would rather build than tear down. And so in order to be able to continue to build, he needed to take a rest and let the Lord be able to pour into him. And that's what he did. So it was Friday night through Saturday. And I'm really fascinated, Eric, by logistics.

Now, you and I are in different phases of life. Your kids are really young. Mine are older. I have teenage boys. But Charlie addresses all this, by the way, in the book. He addresses that everybody thinks they're too busy. And he's pretty humble about it. He's like, no disrespect.

I'm a really busy person. I have a three-hour show every day. I raise money for a $100 million organization. I have 300 employees. He's like, I get it. I get busy. But you can do this. And his argument in the book is you'll be better on the back end because of it.

you'll be better, healthier, spiritually, mentally, physically, and more productive on the back end of it. But I want to ask you about logistics for a minute because he brings up something that's this is a big deal to my family. It's kids sports. Eric, it takes up a ton of time. Now again, your kids are younger. But I was literally reading the book and I was like, okay. And Charlie says, go to your kids game. Just be present. Don't scroll your phone, you know, during the game or during warmups. Just be present. But this is my thing, Eric. And I know you said, don't be legalistic about it. but I use my phone for directions to the game. I coordinate with my wife on the phone.

Are we going to meet that? I use it to check the app to see what field we're on. I'm like, I use it all the time. So even if I'm present in this, how can I not have my phone? No, I get it. But here, be creative with me for a second. Let's pretend we're in like the early 90s. Yes.

Like Magellan style. I lived then. Yes, we pulled it off. When you print out MapQuest? Yes. Charlie actually loved challenging his brain with maps. I'm not even kidding. At night, he would sometimes look at maps on his phone.

I'd be like, baby, what are you doing? He's like, oh, I'm just looking at some maps here. And I'm like, what are you looking for? He's like, no, it's just really, you know, cathartic. I'm just like looking at the different routes and stuff. It would be either for hiking or for roadmaps. Because let me challenge you this way. Communicate with your spouse that at this time and this time, that is where you'll be.

I'm not saying, I'm not for me. Erica, I'm older than you. I actually did this. It's not theoretical for me. And now you're giving me the advice on the thing that I traveled Europe without a phone. I had the physical map. No, but that's what I'm saying.

Go back to that. But also, too, I'm not saying like if there was life or death, like, please use your phone. I'm not saying, like, don't be legalistic. But make it kind of creative where it's like, okay, it's 905. I'm still waiting. And then they show up at 907 and you're like,

well, you said 905. So I didn't have to send the where are you text? Right, right. But no, but just it would be kind of fun to try it out and then get your kids involved. Give them a printout of MapQuest. I don't even know if MapQuest is still alive. Okay, Google Maps. Give them the printout and say, all right, son, daughter, whatever.

You get to tell me when to turn left. I don't know. Make it fun. Well, did the whole family do the Sabbath together? Did you and Charlie sound like you did? And again, your kids are young, but we all know the whole iPad thing and the distraction thing. We don't do iPads. Okay. So your kids are always on the Sabbath. So, but you guys did it together. You did this together as a family.

We did. There were times truly where if things were, I don't know, for example, I'm trying to think of an event or something. I don't know, but I'll just throw out an example. If there was an event or something and Charlie really was waiting to hear back from someone that said, I can only give you an answer. tomorrow at this time, there would be a moment where, you know, I would keep my phone on and say, okay, don't text it, but call me, make a physical phone call to me. And that's different. I'm not sitting on social media. I'm not, I don't even have social media on my phone. He didn't either. You know, it, there's, again, it's not to be legalistic, but it's, like Charlie said, be present. Be intentional with your time. right make it make you don't have to make it fun like this is not supposed to be sacrifice you know

yeah i mean it it puts in a perspective like if you say i don't have time you're really saying i don't have time for god but what do you have time for you have time for the idols you have time for social media you have time for whatever else but you by you saying no i'm not going to take a rest like okay well you're the one who's missing out on the gift and benefit of that not god Well, it's, look, the Bible is an accumulation of thousands of years worth of wisdom, and the wisdom is derived through human trial and error and the law of God. And the idea of taking a rest isn't just something plucked out of the sky, some random rule. It's wisdom.

And I think he lays out that, both that history, the biblical foundation of that wisdom, and then the benefits of it. He lays it out really, really well in this book. By the way, Charlie didn't have social media on his phone? No. No. How do you tweet all the time? He learned he eventually took X off of his phone when it was still Twitter.

Gosh, the team would know the exact day and the exact month. But he realized that he would just aimlessly, and I watched him do it a few times. I know all of us are guilty of this. You literally open an app. You get out of it. Go to the next one. You go through three other apps. Yes.

And then, but you go through three other apps within seconds, go to your text. And then you go back to the app that you had just opened. Yes. And you're like, what's new? You're getting a dopamine rush. The problem is you're trying to get a fill of a dopamine rush that the Lord has put in you that only the Lord can fulfill. So if you're trying to get that dopamine fix from a black screen, you're not going to get it.

And that's why God is like, okay, just rest. No, we don't, I don't need to know the opinions of the world on my phone. If this is a new phone and a new phone number, the other phone and phone number is a black hole. But this one, like, if you have this number, it's because you're pretty much going to call me. I don't get too many text messages on it, but there's no reason why I need to, I don't need to be going down the bowels of Instagram to see all the fun chatter online. Okay. Okay. Let me just say this because I am going to follow up on that now. I just, I do want to say this with all genuineness. I do think the audience to check this. I do think it's a great read. It's an easy read, by the way. It's beautiful. And I do think it'll

make you better. I'm going to try it, Eric. How about that as an endorsement? I am going to try. I love it. You should. And start smart. I also like Saturday. I like Saturday as the day. You can choose any day. I know Charlie said that. It doesn't have to be any particular day. It's about the rhythm of six on, one off. But I do like the Friday night to Saturday things you guys did. I am going to try. I am. You should. And I say that with humility. You hear the word try. You'll become a better husband and your wife. will become a better wife and your marriage will flourish. Charlie viewed it as almost like the big secret. Yeah. And he wanted everyone to be in on it. Okay. I do want to ask you about this, Erica.

You did mention the rabbit holes. You did mention the chatter. You're very aware. That's very clear. And yesterday on Fox with Harris Faulkner, you began to address this. You probably have a few other times as well. But it's the conspiracies around Charlie's death. And, you know, when this first happened, you know that I do this every day for a living and you're a part of this. Most of the ugliness and everything was coming from a predictable direction, the left. Now it's, now it's on the right. It's, it's everywhere. And you, let me start here. You felt, I know you were asked, but you felt that now was your time to address it. Why? Well, like I said earlier, I just want a very peaceful Christmas. I want my team to have a peaceful Christmas. I'm not going to sit here and mudsling. Like I said earlier, I'm not

going to call names. I'm not going to insult. Everyone's loved my husband and we're all trying to figure out what happened. I have a little bit more insight because I'm a victim. So I get to see the autopsy report. I get to see all of the files that are prosecution, prosecution, excuse me, has pulled together. I trust that case. And so while everyone's trying to find the ultimate explanation of digging deeper and digging deeper, that's one thing. You know, if you want to dig into his Discord chats or whatever that guy was involved in,

I don't care. Have a heyday with that. Go right ahead. I'm not telling you to not ask questions. I just told you this. I ask questions literally daily. It's not what, that's not what this is about. What this is about is the accusations that somehow turning point USA, my husband's team, my husband's security team, my husband's friends, my husband's employees are somehow, and myself are somehow implicated in his murder.

That is a totally different line. totally different line so of course i am going to stand up for that that's a line in the sand because anyone who knew charlie and knows us that's sick it's sick but if you want to go after whatever you want to go after down that way of great but don't accuse us don't Over analyze, like honestly, Will, I have no idea how I would have reacted that day if I was there and I saw my husband be murdered. So how are you going to hyperanalyze those people that love my husband that were with him? That second, thinking that their reaction meant somehow they were involved in it. This is a one of one where social media has just had a heyday, tearing things.

apart. And what's so sad is that I know all of those people that were there that day. And I know all of the people who are impacted by this that are with at our close, close orbit. And it is painful to see on their face how exhausted they are to have to relive the trauma every single day. That's not fair. We are not robots. How do they consume it, Erica? How do you? How does it, I mean, social media how is it getting to you like i know you said the chatter well the team tells me i mean i don't i literally i do not watch one thing the team the team tells me if there's anything i need to know i mean honestly i say unless i really need to know tell me but if i don't please i don't need to hear it um but that's you know we try to they come in erika and they're like they're saying this

now this is the current line this is what's happening not all the time not all the time it'll sometimes it'll honestly it might not even be from the team i'll get a phone call from someone and be like hey did you know that somehow you're involved with romanian orphans being sex trafficked i'm like you've got to be kidding me like it just it becomes laughable at some point i mean i get again we have been lied to over and over again so there is a baseline of understanding of okay we're trying to seek the truth i get that again i'm not saying don't ask questions but when you turn questions and accusations and you don't have proof and you're leaving things open-ended as if our team or someone involved with our team is involved in it and then you sit there and hyper-analyze my body movements

my tears my frowns my voice infliction my faith if it's not real or if it is real i'm not going to waste my time with that i have nothing to prove to you where do you think it's coming from america you i beg your pardon what do you think it's coming from like what's the motivation that's for each individual person i everyone has their own motive i'm not going to assume what those motives are some it might be honestly grief is weird everyone grieves differently it's not linear comes in waves um everyone has their own personal relationship with charlie in a way where even if you didn't even meet him you have a personal relationship with him because you watched his videos or you went to a campus event then you get to

the next here where you actually did meet him that's another personal layer then you get to the next tier where you were actually a friend so i'm not going to sit here and question or hyperanalyze what someone's motives is that's that's in their own heart and that's what they have to deal with responding to the lord that i'm not going to go i you have to put your head down on your pillow at night and whatever your decision is that was your decision what i do ask though is that you keep in mind again there is a difference between questions and accusations and if you have accusations and you are going to go down that rabbit hole provide proof i don't care if you're a journalist or someone on x if you say accusations provide proof you can't just throw stuff out there and then

all of a sudden everyone thinks that somehow that's truth. It's not. And it's very hard to prove a negative. So if you say, well, I don't believe what they're saying, even though they're telling you the truth, well, how is the truth going to set you free if you don't believe the truth? So now you're just talking in circles. My only prayer for all of this is that all of us can remember that Charlie was a thought leader. He would not want his life and his legacy to revolve around his murder. He would want his life and legacy to revolve around helping deliver the youth vote, helping to build Turning Point USA, helping to make a difference on college campuses. That is what I pray we focus on. The justice will be served and trust me it will. And again,

you can have questions. But please honor my husband. Absolutely. I'm going to ask you one last question on this and this is I want you to know and I want everybody listening to know I'm trying to ask you about this in the most respectful way manner acknowledge you but I want you to everybody know this is the juggle and it's not woe is me it's like I don't want you to have to talk about something that you don't want to talk about I also don't want to be juvenile so the juvenile part of this is the purient digging in and it's also doing something that I've done so far in this interview which I haven't mentioned Candace Owens. I just didn't mention her name. And I didn't do that because I don't want to force you to talk about it if you don't want to. But everyone listening knows. And so after a while

I'm like, well, don't be juvenile. Everybody knows what you're talking about. And I'll be up front. I haven't kept up with it. I don't know everything. I don't know all the accusation. It's impossible. It's impossible to keep up with. So in a lot of ways, I guess I am asking about something that we're not addressing. And I don't think that's fair to the audience. So I'm going to ask you this last question on this. And what I'm going to say is you have made a choice that has changed in the last week. Your team has been talking. And you have also said that a bridge has been crossed talking about people that you know. What I'm curious about, Erica, is going forward, will you and the team, do you think you will talk about it more? Do you think you will address all of the

stuff? Because to your point, you said it, and I feel it. It's growing. It's not going away. you know the chatter the theories it's growing it's not going away so how do you think you'll address that going forward yeah the chatter will always be there regardless what if we spent all of our time going through every single accusation we'd get nothing done at the office nothing we were told that if we said stop, they would stop. And we said stop. And I'll say it again. Please stop.

We'll see if it's listened to. Erica, this has been a pleasure. Thank you so much for addressing things. Thank you so much for sharing Charlie's book. I do mean it. My husband loved you, by the way. Thank you. He absolutely adored you.

And he really enjoyed having very thoughtful conversations with you. And he genuinely appreciated your voice. And I think that that's what's very important right now is for us to all come together. Yes, there is a fracture happening, but it's not too late. The fracture does reveal some things, of course. But it also reveals that there is still good out there. And we can still come together and be united and still have that bridge. And I just want to say thank you for being one of those.

voices that my husband always adored. I'm deeply grateful for you. That means the world to me. Thank you so much. All right, Erica Kirk, chairman and CEO of Turning Point. Hope to see you soon, Erica. God bless you. Okay, let's take a quick break.

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Yeah. First of all, can I just say this about the... We're just going to talk now. You, me, everyone. The Sabbath, Tenfold was like, you know, I almost feel like that word is a turn off to people. Like, Sabbath. You read this book, and I mean it when I said that, I hope everybody knows this about me right now.

I don't give fake compliments. Like, I think I want to try this. Like, I told the guys this morning, one of my biggest challenges in my life right now it's probably because of my age maybe I need to get on testosterone Dan said they're going to start calling me low T-will

which I've never had it measured I don't say that one to steal your joke okay um dr. Martin McCarray is because they say with testosterone a lot of it's about energy yeah energy

and Ellie's back there Ellie's 23 she has no idea she has no idea I remember you have no idea what I'm talking about energy is such a thing like at this point it's like how do I maintain

a high level of productive energy. It's like such a thing. And then you start doing things. In the book, Charlie says he meets with David Englebert, who is a pastor and preacher. By the way, in Dallas now, and I've gotten to know him a little bit. And he's like, man, I'm drinking eight cups of coffee a day. And I'm just exhausted.

Charlie's telling the story. And he's like, do you observe the Sabbath? And he's like, no, man, I don't have time for that. And he's like, I think you do. And I think you'll be surprised. My point is, like, doing two shows, a day and then all the communication involved around the show and then I feel bad because you guys know this all three of you in there know this people ask me to do other shows and I want to do

their shows it's not that it's like how do I fit it in in this cycle that I have and my biggest challenge is I such a nice compliment Erica gave at the end is I want to be thoughtful and I've got to have quiet time to think about what I'm actually going to say and it's hard to find these moments now and energy energy energy, energy. And by the way, for me, it's not just coffee. I don't actually drink that much coffee. It's you guys know it to nicotine. It's a stimulant. It's the pouches. But at some point, I think I have to just consider, this thing is such a drain and a suck. It's also an amazing tool. I'm holding the phone. I have to consider that you've got a detox for 24 hours and be

100% present. And you'll be surprised where your thoughts take you. I love it. Your thoughts will take you in unique and interesting places. And I will come up with stuff for work. I will come up with like, oh, I want to talk about that. Oh, I'm into this when I just get to be present. And that's not even talk about connecting with the Lord. That's not even that part of it. You know, so I'm saying, what I'm saying to you is, you know, you think about Charlie's last book and there's a piece of you that's like, I wish it would be like his manifesto on America, you know? And instead, but no, instead, it's about this one day of your week, the smallest part of your week, the part that you're sad. And yet it's so symbolic of how it can be something

bigger, what it does to affect your weak, your energy, your focus, your connectedness to God, to your family, to presence. And just, it's like that, all those metaphors you hear like, you know, the journey of a thousand steps starts with a single step, of a thousand miles starts with a single step, you know? And a pebble turns into an avalanche as it starts to roll. It's like that little thing can become the manifesto. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. It can be the manifesto of, and by the way, Charlie journaled and spoke extensively. And I would imagine there's, I would hope they are, there's be some posthumous things compiled about what he thought about the future for Mary. He certainly laid it out there. Go ahead, two days.

No, and not to take God out of it, but you could also, if you don't have that in your life, you could use the same thing on the Saturdays and just, you know, take time to yourself and do it. Anyone could use it for any sort of purpose. And honestly, talking about it, I didn't even think about it this way, but I would like to try that. I used to work at Chick-Fleigh, I worked at Chick-Fleigh three different times, and we were always off on Sunday. Like, guaranteed.

Well, yeah. I mean, it's a big thing. But like, but there's a reason for it. And it was like, you don't even have to worship on that day. It was, you know, everybody thinks like it's Christian. Charlie talks about in the book that Saturday became essentially what, first of all, they became indistinguishable Saturday and Sunday. And the weekend done of itself, while it recognizes the need for a reset, it recognizes the rhythm of a human.

It was driven by labor, you know, and you've seen those stickers, the weekend brought to you by labor union. But the point is, there's a difference. between a Saturday and Sunday. Now, Charlie observed the Sabbath on Saturday, which kind of appeals to me in terms of, I think it's a little bit, like, what do they call it, the Sunday scary? Like, I think Sunday sometimes is the day I begin to think about Monday pretty heavily. It's Monday light. Saturday and Friday night are truly your ability. And the likelihood that Charlie writes in the book that he'd wake up on Sunday and be like, in the beginning, and be like, oh, my God, I got to check my phone. And he'd be like, there'd be like three texts that I felt like, oh, I need to respond to.

It's not as bad as you think. It's not as much as you think it is. And so, I don't know. I truly think it's really, really healthy. And I would like to try it. There's something freeing about not being as available to people, too. Oh, I want to go back to the secular thing. Okay, look, I'm not here to preach to you, Dan.

No, no, no, no, no. But, I just meant everyone could adopt this. That's what I was saying is, like, you know, even... Oh, no doubt. It would be healthy for you even if you didn't worship. That's what I mean. But here's the deal. Again, Charlie wrote this. And this is one of my favorite things. I've talked about it on the show several times. David Foster Wallace. David Foster Wallace. Are you a fan, Dave? You seem like you would be. Shut up. I hate that. You just said that. I'm good at this. I've read Infinite Just.

David Foster Wallace was an interesting dude. Probably didn't share my politics, but I don't know where it would have gone. And I don't know much. We shared one thing, an addiction to nicotine. He dipped Copenhagen all the way through. David Foster Walls committed suicide. He was an incredible writer, these things. Great movie about it, too. But one of my favorite things is that graduation speech. Have you ever watched it?

I brought it up several times. I don't think I have. I got the fish. When I brought up, you know, the two young fish, passing an older fish, what is water. But in that speech, it's like a 20-minute commencement address. It's really good. It's on YouTube.

He says, and Charlie wrote this in the book. Nobody gets a choice as to whether or not you worship. You do worship. It's a matter of what you worship. Worship is what you give your time and attention to. It's the thing that you prioritize.

It's what you put above all else. It's where you place your focus. And Wallace says this. He says, if you focus on money, if you worship money, you'll never have enough. If you focus on beauty, vanity, how you look, you'll always consider yourself ugly.

If you worship power, you will always seek it and never have enough. And then he says, if you worship intellect, smart, you will walk into every room feeling like a fraud. And he's right. You worship. You don't get to walk around saying, I don't worship. You do. It's a matter of what you worship. And he says, for my money, from my money, from my.

My money, Foster Wallace says this, you can do a lot worse and you probably can't do any better than worshiping the tenets of God. It'll be the most fulfilling thing. My point is, I don't, I never consider myself someone like who is, I don't consider myself someone who's worthy of doing what I'm doing right now with you. I don't. For whatever reason, I don't. And this is a difference between me and Charlie.

I'm not as smart as he was. I'm not as well read. I grew up every Sunday in church, every Sunday night in youth group. and my children ask me questions sometimes, and I go, I wish I had the answer for you on this. But I do know this, that if you go to church on Sunday morning, you do walk out refreshed. You do walk out reset.

So it's not just turning your phone off. It's not just playing a board game. It is those things with your kids or your family. It's not just date night. Those are all important. Those are great. And you should be present for those. But there is another level.

of this reset, of being focused on something even more than what is obviously in your surroundings, in worshiping. And I mean that. I think it is restorative. Truly restorative. Anyway, that was, I really enjoyed that conversation with Erica. Let's talk. I feel like she did too. Let's talk about, for a moment, the last thing. I got to this point in our conversation, and I said it all out loud, and I do feel this. way. But, okay, the conspiracies are swirling around Charlie's death, and they are really taking off. In our chat. Well, okay, so it's in our chat right now. And I am really, in today's day and age, I think we, you know, here's a word that I think is now in the graveyard that was

everything, one could argue 12 months ago. Verality. Verality. This is viral. I had a guy come up to me at the Christmas party last night, be like, will, these things you're doing, they're going super viral and I'm like really and I go because they're not in my algorithm yeah I'm not in my algorithm um so it's so tailored now everything is tailored to you and what you're hovering over it's not this is like the conversation we had this week about Luigi Mangione and picking a jury um I don't think it's a direct reflection of what you like so if you're getting Charlie Kirk conspiracy theories it doesn't mean you buy into them it means you're hovering over them that you're interested in them and the algorithm's factoring that in and giving you more. And your algorithm is not

reflective of anyone else's algorithm. So, and this is largely X, but it's also YouTube. It's more of a TikTok thing because they focus on topics. And I think more people are tailoring it to topic-based rather than like person-based. So the idea of follower counts and those kinds of things, they don't matter anymore. They're described as vanity metrics. And anybody that's absolutely, you know what I'm talking about. If you're on social media, like you get stuff all the time, you're like, I don't follow that person, but you don't even care anymore. like you hope interesting you know um and it could be a rando you have no idea if it's true or not i barely have follow anyways anymore it doesn't matter you know um um um tim um tim

the comedian that he's like hey man tim young like you don't like i'm really i don't i'm sorry like i don't i don't remember the last time i followed somebody exactly um there was yeah there was somebody else in my feed who who uh it might have been oh sean uh from the federal Sean Davis. It's like I see Sean Davis's stuff all the time. I didn't realize I didn't follow him. Yeah, you don't realize. So this is all algorithm-based. So my point out I'm taking you is I actually don't know. I don't know how widespread. It definitely feels like all of the conspiracies around Charlie's death are getting bigger, bigger. Could be my algorithm, but it's getting bigger. It's growing. It's more. It's more. That being said, I know Candace has millions of views and is huge

and all of that. So there's a real reflection that it is, it is big. I felt, I have no other way to explain this other than I felt juvenile talking around it. So I'm talking to her about the conspiracy. And it's not just Candace, by the way. There's a lot. There's a lot. But, you know, she is definitely the main one. And I just felt juvenile, like, talking around it.

Everybody knows. Everybody watching, you know, I know. So why are, it's not Voldemort. That's exactly what I was saying. It's stupid. Before the interview, I was like, is she voicemont? So, but I think I said it out loud, like, I don't want to force Erica to talk about something that she doesn't want to talk about, but she's begun to talk about it. So it's like, well,

do we talk about it? So, you know, I don't know. You want to, you want to go to the comments, both of you guys? I don't know. I respect the Willisha. I, it's not just right, I appreciate them and investing the time that you do and listening and being a part of what I think is a community and I hope a honest search for the truth. And I said in the thing, I don't, I haven't consumed enough. I just, I haven't consumed enough. In the, I'm going to say one more thing on this. We live in a world right now where there's a whole host of people and things that are said. And this is where the Talariko thing really pissed me off because I know I keep bringing up, but this is what I hate. Okay. Okay, there's reality. The reality is the conversation that we

had okay then there's an altered reality there's and that's an edited clip cut and edited clip okay that's a false reality now it's and then there's we're now in the in the world of a third layer and the third layer is the framing of the alternate reality so if you're being honest you probably even don't watch clips of a lot of people that you're told are a certain way or say a certain thing i'm guilty of it too you scroll there is a text text. Now in your algorithm, you may not even know who the person is. You may, you may not. And they say, you know, this famous person says this, thinks this, thinks this, is this. And you're like, oh, and there's a clip, presumably that supports what is said. And you're like,

oh, I guess that's what it is. And you don't even watch the altered reality. You don't even watch the clip anymore. So you're only told what to think. And now we live in this world of like people being told what to think about everyone. What I'm getting at is I recognize that and I have a ton of humility about like maybe it's not even humility. I should, but it's like there's so much. Like now I need to go on a deep dive investigation to have my own independent thought on that person, on that topic, on that thing.

And there's so much, I just know I can't trust that third layer of reality. But do you have to? Well, I don't know. And quite honestly, you can't on all of it. Yeah. There's literally not enough hours in the day to do all of it. It's a lot of nonsense out there. There's some validity to it.

All right. What do you got from the Willis? But it's hard because, like, sometimes, you know, you don't want to give oxygen to a flame. I think, like, that's kind of what she was saying, you know. Like, if you just say stop, it'll stop. Totally. I get it. But then it's like, well, it's getting oxygen somehow, you know. Well, I don't believe in that anymore, I think.

think she's in a different position because of who she is. But in her relationship to this entire thing, you can't ignore stuff anymore. I'm just saying as us, us, things don't go away by ignoring them. It just, I think that world is over. Like, you address things. That's, that's, that's the only way. I think, I don't, I don't know. But people have, let me just ask you this. People had a lot of criticism of Erica on the other side because she is doing all these appearances and whatever, people grieve in their different ways. What if she didn't do any of this? What if she went away?

Oh, interesting. My first question to Erica was not was how you doing, like with the media appearances. I actually meant that on a personal level. I know. Like, like, I know how exhausting it can be. People swing, people wield jackhammers.

But it is exhausting to do what she's doing right now. So I was just like, how you doing? Now you say that. I'm looking back at her answer. She must be getting flack for doing all this media. She is. Yeah. I didn't know that. That's the biggest thing I hear. Because the way she answered it, I was like, oh, that's kind of interesting how she's talking about it. She jumped in real fast. She did, and she's

like, I don't want to be doing all this. I'm doing this because this is what Charlie's supposed to do, and I was like, okay. That's the biggest criticism. I'm over here going, okay, but are you tired? I saw you didn't pick up on it at first. And so what you're telling me, and I'm unaware of this. This is the algorithm. She's getting a ton of flack for doing media, for

speaking, for being out there and talking about it. Even in our comment section right Now she's going to flag. Really? Yeah. So what would be better? She's promoting Charlie's book in his stead. Yes.

Some people think it's too soon and all this stuff. I don't agree with that. He wrote the book. It was scheduled to be published. The media appearances were scheduled. But that's why she jumped in real fast like that because she is hearing that a lot. I didn't know that. Yeah.

And that, like, but my question to you is, would it be better if she just didn't do any of this? No. Just grieved on her own by herself. You know, but then people would be like, well, why isn't she talking? She must be hiding something. But she's not... Either way. But she's not me.

She's not... I know. Ellie. She's not... In other words, she's not... What's on her... You just take it that at the surface level. Every individual is their own unique person, how they handle things.

But also, she's not capable of simply being a grieving widow. Sure. She also has this organization that's incredibly important that she's a part of it. Charlie apparently wanted her to take over. And she has to shoulder that burden. They employees. And it's still growing. and it's still growing.

And he wrote a book. She has, and she's a mom. She has, like, she didn't get a choice. She has to do it all. If she wrote a book. You sit there and you go, that's not how I would grieve. But you're not in that situation. How do we, how, what would you do?

I don't know. Anyway, go ahead. What are you getting? So a lot of, I think we're getting a lot of people coming from that algorithm on YouTube that do look up a lot of the Candace Owen stuff and watch Candice Owens. Okay. Because I would say it's about 60, 40, 40 being Candice Owen watchers that are saying, you can't believe a word she says, this

type of stuff. A lot of support, but I think we're just getting a lot of these people who just need to believe this stuff. I mean, need to believe that Candace Owens is right and need to believe that, you know, sometimes the truth can be more boring than what you think in your head. And so you need to make it a little more, a little more than what it is. But, you know, there's a lot of nice things people said about her. and a lot of support, but there is the

people saying some pretty gross things in the chat right now. Yeah? Yeah. Where are you? YouTube? Yeah. And Facebook. Huh? And Facebook. Also, we also have some comments. I've had to block some things. Some comments from people about, you know,

MapQuest. Very fascinating. Elie's never had to deal with that. We were just asking about it. So American Nightmare said, MapQuest made me 11 hour drive, 24 hours for me driving to New York City. Oh, it failed MapQuest failed that person? Yes. You know what I used to carry in my car?

It was one of those giant map books. Yep. Yeah. Loved it. My dad was a cable guy. For years. By the way, Charlie and I did have this in common like the thing. I didn't want to jump in like, me too. Me too. But, but I love maps. I collect maps. They hang on my walls at home. Get out. Yeah, yeah. Any place that I've lived

I try to get an old map of that place. So I've got Montana, Hawaii, Texas. this. I've got an old map of Manhattan. So I love them. And I can just stare at them. And like if you, if I watch a story, I don't know why this one popped into my head. Did you ever guys ever see out of the furnace? Christian Bale? I've seen it four times. Great, right? Yeah. So I had to like figure out where that was geographically. That story where it's setting. I'm getting on the map. I'm like, where is this? What are these towns like? Was that West Virginia, Dan? Or was it Pennsylvania? Pennsylvania? It was Appalachian Mountains, West Virginia. Yeah. I love that. I can stare at maps. Study. It is, it is cathartic like Erica was saying, if you look at it. Yeah. And Tiki Kim also said, I'm old. I remember taking road trips with my dad reading map books, book maps. So, yeah.

They're great. Put it on the hood of the car, just folding it out. Okay, I'm going to say this now, because we're going to talk about the Fox News Christmas Party, and it's just kind of, it's interesting that you say there's an algorithmically based audience with us today that maybe not be regular, watchers of this show or maybe not me on on fox news all i will say is this um i take seriously the concept of i don't know i take seriously that um i just think there's way too much certainty in the world fake certainty um and there's so much going on there's so much

information that even someone who does what i do for a living where you have to read and study and talk and share your beliefs. You have to know your limits of what you do and you don't know, okay? And you don't proceed from that with a closed mind. I think honestly, this is like one of the big cardinal sins of a place like CNN. Like everything is closed. Everything is closed. You watch a show, it's like, boom, no. This is what, but this way it is, boom, no, no more. And Erica said this. We live in a world where we've learned how fraudulent that entire thing is. Like that line of inquiry, that line of shutting down conversations, that thought process only metastasizes more and the more is not always right okay so whether or not it was COVID

whether or not it was the vaccine whether or not it's shutdowns whether or not it was race stuff whether or not it's BLM it was all boom no this boom no and it's it's honestly not just wrong it's grotesque it's a turnoff if you've ever been around somebody like that forget media just in person that that's but I also know that people like answers in direct and they don't, I don't know is very unsatisfying to everybody. I get it. It's, I know this from being a lawyer. I know this about juries. We had this conversation earlier this week about how Luigi Mangione's defense may come together and what the story is they'll try to tell because people don't like reasonable doubt. People don't like, I don't know. They like something else,

a positive story that they can attach themselves to, an affirmative story. Positive has too much of a complimentary association, an affirmative story that they gravitate towards. What I'm telling you is, I care about the truth. I want to pursue the truth. I can't invest in every single story to the level that others have. But I will say one thing that I think you should always keep in mind. And I tell you this from somebody who sat in these seats.

My only currency with you, my only currency in this world, quite honestly, is authenticity. Now it's cliched. Everybody says authenticity thing. Everybody does. But that doesn't matter. It's like President Trump talking about affordability.

Everybody says it. That doesn't mean you do anything about it. You actually care. Not everybody's real. I'm not indicting any one person. All I'm telling you is there are so many motivations in this seat and so many people, and the main one is you. It's you.

It's attention. You're the currency. And we're measured by it. What are my numbers like? What are the pod numbers? What are the YouTube numbers? What are the ratings on the tell? We're constantly measured by it.

Everybody wants to do great. And I'll just tell you how I approach it. I don't walk around the world with squinty eyes. Do you know what I mean about that? Like looking at everybody deep and peering into their soul and trying to figure out their motivations and being a skeptic.

It's not a fun way to go about the world, right? You meet people just like you would in the real world. You're like, is this person being honest with me? Is this person doing this in a pursuit of being real? Is this a real person doing real things in pursuit of real truth? And I do that now all the time. In the old days, it was almost easier.

It was like, I could read the New York Times and I could see the byline and I'd be like, nope, not. trustworthy authenticity. Now the demands on you, and I tell my boys this as well, the demands on you are overwhelming. They are overwhelming for you to do that on a constant basis, and I think you have to. I just think you have to. That's not to say any one person is a fraud or any one person is real, but it becomes your highest currency. While you become the currency, everybody else, your highest currency has to be, is this real? Is this person? Is this message? Is this pursuit real?

All I can do is make you this promise. I'm never going to be the expert on every single thing. I'm never going to get it all right. But I, over time, hopefully, I will earn you trusting that I am being real and trying to get to a real truth. tinfoil pad is one of the most unique people that I think all of us would agree we've ever met and he is in Manhattan for the first time and in that context he went to the fox news christmas party chock full of 500 people cocktails and how did it go well here's a little tease he walked across Manhattan to get there in the rain next on will cane country I look tired. I was just looking at myself.

I look tired. Oh, don't you give me that, Ellie. It is Wilcane Country streaming live at the Wilcane Country YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page and the Wilcane Facebook page. All right. Last night was the Fox News Christmas price.

I don't think it's annual. This is my first one I've ever gone to, by the way. I don't think it's annual. I don't know how often it happens. It's the first one in three years. First one in three years? Yep. that's lucky timing

for you yeah because you're up here for the will cane show Chris in country Christmas parties tonight that's tonight I woke up this morning I'm like I'm too old for two nights in a row I don't think I can do this that's why I went home

all right so Fox News Christmas party so I mean I think we're all kind of living this vicariously to some extent through the eyes and experiences of Patrick so Patrick is from Jacksonville I don't think he leaves his home. And by the way, Patrick, you've got arthritis at 38.

You're kind of limping around the building. And then you show up and you're like, I walked to the party in the rain. It was raining last night. It was saying. Yeah. Did that take you two hours to walk to the party? It was 40 minutes. Did you enjoy your walk in the rain?

No. I mean, I don't know. So when I was a young man, I was an electrical apprentice for a year. And I worked in a lot of wastewater treatment facilities, which are just where the poop water goes. Terrible smell. I was in hell's kitchen. It hit me.

It's that same smell. I'm like, New York smells like either weed or poop water. That's facts, especially in the rain. It's crazy. It wasn't a bad walk. Today, I barely got out of bed. I mean, like, it was, you know,

it hit me now, but like, yeah. At the time, I was like, I can do this. What do you? I mean, don't play a part. Don't do a bit What do you think of New York For real, one to ten What do you think of it?

It's like a seven He's rarely seen any of it So you like, yeah, no, he's been in Midtown Midtown Manhattan Beautiful, that's not New York That's true, Dan I used to, when I lived here I'd be like, don't judge New York on Midtown

Yeah, don't get out of here Don't get me wrong I don't want to live in any part of New York anymore But I will say I didn't live in Midtown ever You know, that's not really really my New York. It's not many people's New York. It's work and tourism.

Woody Allen's. It's Europeans, New York. Woody Allen's New York? Like, Times Square is not for people who live here. Oh, okay. I hate it during the Christmas time. I can't even get out of the building. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know what they change. We'll see what's

my mom, Donnie coming back. You used to walk out of the building, and they were selling the handbags and all that on the streets. And literally, you couldn't walk down the streets because half of the sidewalk was taken up by the dudes with the blankets and the handbags and the whatever else they sold, Dan, all the other stuff. They're all African. All African dudes, right?

They're mean. Are they? Yeah. I didn't really interact with them. They could be very intense. I wonder if those dudes are legal. I don't, didn't they? What do you mean you wonder?

So no? No, man. Did they get rounded up? They did. My wife saw it happen. She was downtown that day. It happened in the city. So that's not around anymore, by the way, right?

No. Canal Street. In front of the building, you know what else? they did like it was like a carnival out there Patrick like last year it would have been a carnival outside the building handbags the um caricature guys guys drawn caricatures of people the spray paint artists you know what i'm talking about spray paint artists where they make like a painting out of spray paints and then you buy that the dude this one was everywhere they have the circular camera that goes around you stand the middle and it plays empire state of mind by jZ and you get the you get the

little video you like it's like um Brian Kelly at LSU remember the video It's that video. You get that with New York going around you. Remember when Brian Kelly is behind the recruits at LSU? That's the way I do. They're going to be bad. Going like this. I'd have fired him for cause for that.

It was so homoerotic. It was, and you know it. We all know. I'm not saying Brian Kelly is gay. I'm saying that the video itself, like somebody should have said, somebody that worked at LSU should have said, coach, come look at this before we put it out.

Yeah. So all that was outside the building, all of it. It's all gone, Dan. It's all gone. There's a couple, but not as much. I know that all the Elmo's and the, who else is it? Elmo's and. Cookie monsters and.

There's not many cookie monsters, is there? I thought I saw one in videos. Those dudes are illegal. Those dudes are illegal immigrants under the costume. Well, that's why you're doing illegal, you're selling illegal stuff. Patrick. You got to see them when they take the hat off, the head, the helmet. off.

I'm not just, I'm not doing an ice thing. It's racist. Yeah, you, no, those dudes, buy those things, go out there and make money. Yeah. They're not legal immigrants. I don't care what you say, they're not legal immigrants. Well, I have to make a phone call

to Tom, so, after the show. He's gonna, he's gonna come into New York City for a few days and just get ice in here. Yeah, I'm very conflicted because, like, you know, well, I'm not gonna going to that. Yeah,

just isn't. Oh, right, right. What? Now I'm intrigued. You said everybody's in the algorithm, ready for a conspiracy. Let me introduce you to tin foil pad. What are you got?

This is his people. So, so seven out of ten, that's way higher than I would have thought. Yeah, it's been fairly nice. The Chick-fil-A is not very good, but... You've been to Chick-fil-A? Yeah.

You came all the way up here and was Chick-fil-A. Yeah. I wanted to make sure... I also have a food test coming, or a food review of... their sandwich that I'm going to do. I just want to see, like, can they make a... Isn't as good, you're right.

Can they make it? No, they do not do a good job. All right, so last night was the Fox News Christmas party. Big open venue, so like one big room. We were all in. The one thing I have a regret about the party is something I didn't do. They had cornhole. They had air hockey.

They had the largest foosball table I've ever seen. Like it was for 20 people to play foosball. The only problem is I got to, you're like, I want to play foosball. Cool, go gather nine other guys. You know, like, you've got to. Well, wasn't just big, it was long. Well, that's what I mean. Yeah.

Yeah. Any bumper pool? No bumper pool. Damn. Yeah, I would have dominated it. I would have dominated it. I'm going to make, I am going to bring bumper pool back. Did you know the guys in Dallas told me if you Google bumper pool, me and Brett come up playing bumper pool, like on the first page.

It's just not in the zeitgeist anymore. I'm starting a bumper pool business. Trust me, America. You're missing out. So you're bringing it back. I never knew it existed until you started playing bumper pool. Well, I think it, I don't know this for a fact. I don't know this for a fact. But everybody I meet says they had one at their grandma's house, my age, I guess. And so my bed is from that, it must have been a thing in the 60s and 70s. It must have had a moment where people got it. It was at their grandma's house. And that's why I had nostalgic feelings about it, why I got one for the Dallas Studios. But Ellie got one for the Dallas studios. He's giving you credit. Yeah, good. I can't hear anything now. So I have the answer. Okay, go ahead.

Peak popularity between the 1950s and 1970s. It was in all bars, pubs, rec rooms, and basements. It was a space-saving alternative to full-size billiards. Yes. Decline in the 80s. Not as, does it have in their rebounds in the 2020s because of Wilcane? Wait, wait. Will Kane bringing back bumper pool.

In Dallas, Texas I'm going to That's going to read that way Here in a little bit I'm bringing back Bumper Pool So So the party

In multiple bars What do you guys think 500 people Ellie Patrick? Would you go A lot of people 500 people? Yeah, it seems right

Honestly, Dan didn't go So really fun Really fun Yeah, I missed out And everybody is saying that I feel like It was great except I couldn't hear Jack.

Oh, man. It was so loud. My voice is a little fried. You hear this today? I think it's because I had to yell always to talk. Like, I had to get, like, right up on people. It, like, I felt like Ben Franklin with, like, the horn. You're not the biggest projected voice.

No. Yeah, I had to, like, get my voice a little hot, hey, you know, try to cut through the sound. Because I know, like, when you have that deeper voice, it kind of gets a lot. monotone. Oh, that's concerned with you. You're next to Dan. No one thinks you have a deep voice. Well, yes. No one could hear me because it just

goes with the low tones of the room. So, I'll give you guys a little, Patrick, I saw you a few times at the party, I lost you. Everybody was always concerned. Where's Patrick? Apparently there was a moment, and Ellie's behind you. Can you hear me? Can she hear right now? She can't hear you. There was a moment where

everybody's like, where's Patrick? And Dan, in the middle of the party, there was like an inflatable igloo. Okay? I didn't even notice it hardly because there's all the decorations. There was ladies on stilts. And in this igloo, I guess you could go. I was talking to some people that tried to make it the smoking pod that you could go in there and smoke a cigarette, but I don't know if they actually did that. But apparently at some point somebody told me, well, Patrick is in the igloo by himself. I have evidence of this. Listen, so I had that long wall. I had that long wall. five or six blocks I didn't realize blocks are much longer east to west than they are north to south that's right that was my mistake three it's not street it's the avenue's yes so going east to west avenue to avenue it's three city blocks going north south yeah so I was like I need to sit down I did get you know when I got there I was you know mingling a little bit but then I was like I just need to sit down for a second I try to sit down in this one area where there were like couches and stuff

and I was told, you cannot sit here. And I'm like, do you know who I am? I don't know. I don't know why. Was it VIP? I guess. Oh, wow. But it wasn't roped off or anything.

I just assumed people were just like, you know, still mingling. And there you are, by the way, in your Buffalo Jackson flannel and your hey dudes. And, you know, you're over there in the VIP. And they flagged you immediately. This guy's not VIP. Sir, you work? Sir, do you even work here? How the hell did you get in?

So I went So I just needed So I just I went to one of the bubbles I sat there for a couple minutes And then I got back up And then I kept bingling You know

I was there way longer Than I thought I'd be Did you Did I leave before you? Probably around the same time When did you guys leave? 945 So yeah

I left a little bit before you I said I was going for an hour Hour and a half I stayed Let's call it three Let's call it three Ellie Don't It was three hours

I had a good time. It's really fun to talk to people from every part of the company that you don't see a lot. Ad sales. Ad sales, by the way, there's some bros and ad sales, some dudes.

Surprising. Why? I found that the ratio of bros and dudes and ad sales was high. Hi. Okay. Yeah, I ran into Todd Pyro, fourth place regular season

fantasy player on our early... Talk about being open on Sunday as well. Yeah. What are you talking about? You're not in the fantasy playoffs. Oh, yeah. You got to buy just like me.

I have plenty of time to worship on Sunday. Yeah, you play a time. Yeah, Todd Piro's great. He's got a lot of energy. Okay. I was surprised because he has to wake up at the butt crack of dawn. I know. That's true.

I bet his alarm goes off in... I bet his alarm goes off at two. It could be even the ones. Yeah. Kill me two. He told me before that he usually takes a nap. Some, like, I don't know how when he had time to do that. All right.

Here's, so I did make my way to the dance floor at one point, because there was some good songs going on. And I looked up, first of all, I'm going to get, here's some awards. I'm going to hand out some awards. Life of the party, okay? Life of the party. Fox and Friends Weekend, Weatherman, Adam Klotz. Without a doubt.

Adam is a ball. Adam, and he goes for it. He's having fun, Adam, on the dance. floor having a great time you know who else is on the dance floor like I would like you need to pull her off Dana Perino Dana oh Dana was front and center right up right up by the stage dang right up by the stage okay for her no was she dancing in heels I don't know oh okay I don't know um and then this what I'm going to give you guys you you may know Patrick or Ellie you because you I hope you paid attention for the audience what Fox News

talent got on stage and showed real talent. He sang, he sang American Girl. He danced. I'm like, my gosh, that guy can dance. He can sing. I think I know who it is. That's really annoying.

Defying, he's defying some athletic assumptions on his coordination. I'm going to, I'm saying what I mean by that, Dominic. So if you're listening, you don't know what I'm getting at. Anyway, who do you think it is? American girl, dancing, playing, singing. I know who now based on what you,

just said. Go ahead. Mr. Nape Foy. That's exactly right. Yes. That's annoying that he can dance and sing. Wow. Stop being good at everything. That's right.

And why do you think I said the athletic thing? You're too tall. Stop. That guy's that tall. You don't presume can dance like that. Yeah. That's a lot of body to coordinate into rhythmic directions. Yeah.

I'm sure he was a good athlete. That's not the same thing. No, he already told you he wasn't a good athlete. Oh, did he say that? He wasn't a basketball player? No, no. He's a, he's a cardio guy. He does, like, run.

Now that I know he can dance like that, now I judge Nate harshly for not being an athlete. Because that coordinates. If you can dance, you have coordination, you can be an athlete. I believe that, to be true. There's crossover. And am I wrong on that? Dancers can be good athletes.

You just didn't channel it in that direction. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And so you're 6'5 and you can dance like that, Nate. You should have been a beast on the basketball court or volleyball at the very least. Lots of them in volleyball, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. Nate, very talented. A lot of confidence, apparently, too. Yeah. To get up on stage in front of everybody and do that. And he did like an instrumental part where there was no singing. And so he's like, I'm just going to dance.

Like this extended riff of dancing. Is it a liquor courage moment? I don't know. Actually didn't hang with him a lot. I gave him a high five and said that was incredible. I said, are you single? Because you won't be by the end of this party. I mean, every one of us has been.

in our car. I said, that's what I said to him. I said, every one of us has been in our car and listened to a song. Like, what if I played this? What if I could do this? Dan's done it because Dan's musically does that stuff. What if I did it at work? You know, and like, everybody said, oh my God, Nate did that thing. He did that thing. And everybody's like, wow. It's a daydream moment for everybody. That's right. All right. That's it. I got to go to the Will Kane Show in a little bit here on Fox News. Thanks for hanging out with us tomorrow. It's a Cane on Sports Edition. Get it at Spotify or Apple. We appreciate you. Algorithically for being with us here today. We will see you again.

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