Will Cain Country - Exclusive: Florida Surgeon General Fires Back, Moves to Ban Vax Mandates (ft. Rich Lowry & Dr. Joseph Ladapo)

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

Story #1: Will exposes how cashless bail, failed prosecutors, and soft-on-crime policies kept predators like DeCarlos Brown on the streets to murder Iryna Zyrutska. Will also calls out the media for ignoring the story, or worse, shaming people for noticing, because it doesn’t fit their narrative on crime and race. Story #2: Editor of 'National Review' and Author of 'The Case for Nationalism,' Rich Lowry joins Will to discuss the rise of acceptance for socialism, the polling showing Democrats drifting left, and what it means for figures like Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY). They also dive into President Donald Trump’s impact on conservatism, how his disruption has permanently changed the Republican Party, and why Trump’s style succeeds where polite “jawboning” always failed. Story #3: Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo sits down with Will to explain his move to eliminate vaccine mandates in Florida schools. He lays out why the state is shifting toward parental choice, pushes back on the “scientific consensus” argument, and responds to critics who warn of outbreaks. Subscribe to 'Will Cain Country' on YouTube here: ⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠ Follow Will on X: ⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Big show for you today, going to be joined by my old friend from National Review, one of the first guys to hire me in this business. Rich Lowry on Donald Trump, nationalism, the future of conservatism, and the United States of America. And it is absolutely everywhere. a viral interview on CNN featuring Dr. Joseph Lidoppo of the state of Florida. Having done away with their vaccine mandates, all mandates for public schools, he was challenged by Jake Tapper. Dr. Lodoppo will join us right here coming up on Wilkane Country. Willisha, we want you.

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let's get into a little bit of the truth. Let's get into race. Let's get in to Charlotte. Story number one. Charlotte, North Carolina, the site of a horrific murder of Arena Zalutska, refugee from Ukraine, stabbed on a Charlotte light rail by DeCarlos Brown. A horrific murder played out not just in front of all passengers on the Charlotte light rail, but for the nation across surveillance footage

and social media. Those eyeballs, that stage became the story for much of the media. The surveillance cameras themselves, the role of social media, and the reaction of many to seeing this horrific murder, has for Axios, for Politico, for CNN become the story. As CNN's media critic, Brian Stelter, points out, yes, it's a bad murder. But what he's really noticing, what is really eye-popping,

is the reaction of people that notice the races involved, notice the motivations, notice the statistics, notice the problem in America. Here's Brian Stelter. This story has trickled up from local news to social media and now to the president's attention. And it's being used, as you said, Brianna, as a political symbol, with MAGA media calling for more forceful punishments and more incarceration. I have to say, some of the replies to Musk, some of the comments around this story are baldly racist, stoking fear of African Americans, because this.

This man attacked a white woman. The open racism on sites like X today, it's eye-popping. But there are also legitimate questions about this so-called career criminal, someone who had been a repeat offender. And those questions, I hope they're not lost amid all of the cesspool kind of comments on social media. Comedian Norm MacDonald once said the biggest fear he has for another terrorist attack, killing thousands in the United States, would be the subsequent Islamophobia sweeping America. Of course, it was sarcasm. of course it was a joke, but seemingly in the business of making jokes, the media, I give you Brian Stelter, and CNN. The real problem here is you noticing.

The real problem here is you seeing this footage. The real problem here is you drawing conclusions based not just off anecdote, but off of facts and stats. We have to have a conversation about race. We have to have a conversation about the truth and a conversation about Charlotte. In the wake of this horrific murder, Charlotte Mayor Vi Liles made a point of suggesting this has to do with mental health. The system failed to Carlos Brown. He was abandoned. Abandoned in his pursuit of mental health.

Abandoned by a system. Painting him, therefore, is as much of victim as a rena Zalutska. You see, no one is responsible for their actions. No one has agency. There doesn't exist in this world real evil. Now, what the failure was, according to the mayor of Charlotte, a failure of the system and mental health. Mental health has become monopolies, get out of jail, free card.

Mental health has been societies, excuse for every malady, both societal and individual. Why is that person incapable of being social? Why is that person a parasite on society? Why is that person not a functioning adult? Mental health, they didn't get the help that they needed. This is not to deny that there are problems of mental. mental health in America. We've had that conversation. We'll continue to. I think there's notably a mental health problem among young men in America. I think there's increasing

senses of isolation. I think there is increasing sense of disconnected from society, a loss of compassion, a loss of empathy, a loss of connectedness that leads to antisocial behavior, in many cases, some of the worst of antisocial behavior. I think we've fed into that mental health crisis by emboldening, by enabling, oh, you think you might be the wrong gender? Here's a basket full of hormones. Oh, you're down? Maybe we should mute your emotions with SSRIs. I think we have lit flames under the tender of mental health in this country.

But it doesn't negate the existence of true evil. Evil has been present from the beginning of the human condition, from Genesis. we have had people in this world amongst us walking with society walking with free people looking to do ill a lost moral compass sociopathic zero-sum game in it out for number one evil exist in this world and evil can't be blunted with an antidepressant no the problem isn't the system in fact the system enables you this murder in Charlotte. De Carlos Brown released from prison, arrested something like 14 times, 14 different mug shots. The latest, last January, a judge in Mecklenburg

County, letting him out on a written permission slip. This time, after several assault charges, for abusing the 911 system, making fake calls to 911. And while out, commits this horrific

murder. No, De Carlos Brown wasn't failed by the system. Civilized people were failed by the system in North Carolina. And that's where we begin to tell the truth. The truth is race is a part of this story, not just by observation, but by statistics, by a chronic problem in the United States. Yesterday, we shared with you the stats on interracial violence. We showed you how the media zooms in on white-on-black crime or officer on black crime and absolutely ignores the exponentially larger number of black on white crime those were just raw data numbers they don't even adjust for population they're not per capita

everything when comparing group should be reduced to per capita how likely is this group how prevalent is this to happen well if you want to look at per capita numbers then what you find is that violent crime is 31 times more likely to occur black on white crime than white on black crime 31 31x. And we've seen that play out over just the last couple of days, the last couple of weeks. Because DeCarros Brown in North Carolina is simply one story over the weekend in Auburn, Alabama, a veterinarian gun down or actually axed down, horrible situation, a horrible story. Auburn University Professor, reads the Daily Mail, stabbed to death while walking her dog was suspect facing the death penalty.

I read, a suspected killer is facing the death penalty after a retired Auburn University Professor was stabbed to death in a park while walking her dog in broad daylight. Beloved veterinarian, Dr. Julie Garde Chanel, 59, found dead in a wooded area of Kiesel Park in Auburn, Alabama on Saturday. The suspect? A black male. There are others. There's one from California in the Pacific Palisades from a few years ago. And because he feels like the media won't tell the story, Elon Musk often active on X post another story.

In May from Logan Frederica, a 22-year-old college student, visiting a friend in North Carolina when a career criminal, Alexander Dickie, went on a violent rampage. She broke into her friend's house and shot and killed her. Dickie had 40 prior arrest in 2023. Despite a long history of burglary, he was given probation for what should have been his third conviction. And he murders, 22-year-old Logan Frederico. See, the issue is that recidivism and a failed justice system that puts criminals on the street is actually intricately tied to race. Why? Well, first, let me play for you, Van D.

Jones on CNN, telling me, telling Charlie Kirk, telling you, not just that you're wrong, but like suggested by Brian Stelter, you're racist if you notice race. Then he says that if something like that had happened the other way, there would be sweeping changes imposed on society. Where is the George Floyd Policing Act? It didn't pass. Even when you had a white police officer murder a black man on live television. and the whole world saw, there were no sleeping changes.

In fact, not one law was passed at the federal level. So I think that's an important thing to point out. So you're telling me, Van, that canceling Aunt Jemima didn't solve crime and didn't solve race in America? You even went after Uncle Ben. Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben didn't solve the problems of America? But Van Jones is wrong. He's calling out Charlie Kirk.

He's wrong. Let me give you just the latest example. In 2020, I read now. Mecklenburg County was awarded its second grant in the amount of $1 million from the MacArthur Foundation as part of the safety and justice challenge to continue supporting the county's efforts to develop strategies impacting the main drivers of the local jail population. In 2022, the county awarded an additional $350,000 to ensure that recent reforms were sustainable. I'm talking about a total of $3.3 million given to Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, the home of Charlotte. by the MacArthur Foundation. What was all that for?

To reduce the jail population. Between 14 and 17, Mecklenburg County reduced the jail population by 11%. Why? Because despite making up approximately 47% of the local population, African Americans and Hispanics make up 82% of the jail population. In the wake of George Floyd, in pursuit of equity, all these changes were made to policing. To jail, to the justice system. With race in mind, equity being the euphemism, we put more criminals on the street.

And it's not just in the past, it's potentially in the future. Zoran Mamdani, the would-be candidate for New York City mayor, has also proposed reducing the jail population. He said on several occasions, I have supported that proposal. It's one I've supported because of the vast dragnet that meant the inclusion of New Yorkers on the basis of whether they go out late, photos they put up on social media, so much of the facts of life of being a young New Yorker, reducing the jail population in New York City coming to you, just like it did, to Mecklenburg County. And it is because of the pursuit of equity, the rectification of racial injustice, because of George Floyd. Race and crime

are connected because we have the statistics and the recent. stories to show you the role played and the connection between these two issues. Now, I understand how people hear this. They run. They run to the ultimate conclusion. What is Will saying? Oh, man, this feels dangerous. What is Will suggesting? Is he suggesting that all black people are more likely to commit crime? As he's saying that all black people commit murder? Is Will doing something racist? I ask you this. Are you? Because I'm not saying those things. I have not said any of those things. What I am saying to you and what I'm sharing with you are facts. Crime stats, per capita crime stats, stories of murder, and policies

implemented by politicians in the wake of 2020 that has made this issue stare you in the face on the light rail, on the subway, in the park. Facts aren't racist. I'm not leaping to those conclusions. And if your brain runs to those conclusions, is that what Will is saying? I don't know what he's saying. Then it's your brain that is running there. I'm not leading you to a conclusion.

I'm sharing with you the facts. And in order to actually solve the problems of America, to solve the victims of some of this black crime, are black innocence. You have to start with the truth. You can't do what they do on CNN. You can't be Brian Stelter because you work from reverse. Just like maybe, maybe, I'm not accusing you of it, but maybe your brain wanted to do.

Oh, no, that story is bad. That sounds bad. That leads people to bad conclusions. Why would it lead people to bad conclusions? Because your brain went to the bad conclusion? Because your brain made the leap? then no one should be able to see the facts they start from the conclusion they start from the reaction and they work their self backwards and maybe we do it even in private conversation from time

time i don't want to share that fact i don't want to share that truth why because it may sound x or why but what it wasn't matter what it sounds if it is the truth what does it matter because then they'll think a certain thing of me yeah hopefully in the end when this is all said and done they'll think you're a person that tells the truth if you're like brian stilter you're not interested in the truth. You're interested in the story, the narrative, the conclusion. But our job isn't necessarily to give you the conclusion. Our job is to give you the ability to arrive at a rational conclusion. And you can only do so with the facts. These are facts. Is it my fault CNN for noticing the facts? Is it my fault for reading the stats? Is it my fault for not ignoring the

story? See, I think what you've done is lie. A lie by omission is a lie, choosing not to share these stories, which you have done for decades. And now, look, here's a question, to whose benefit? Who? Not the black victims on the south side and the west side of Chicago. Not the Ukrainian refugee on the Charlotte Light Rail. To whose benefit? Two potentials.

The criminal. and your own virtuous ego to those benefits. You lie by omission. I don't reverse engineer this, nor do I think that you should. I think you start with what is true. And from there, we can deal with the real world. Socialism is on the rise in America. My old friend from National Review, Rich Lowry's going to join me.

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He's also the author of the book, The Case for Nationalism. It is Rich Lowry here on Will Kane Country. What's up, Rich? Hey, Wilson, do you accept NFL? Helmets, if so, I'm going to send you an old Houston Oilers helmet. That'll dress it up nicely. It's one of the best-looking helmets. Top-fought.

I got a signed Earl Campbell mini helmet and I just, actually, just the last day or two ago, acquired and received in the mail my signed Earl Campbell, Houston Oilers jersey. I'm a huge old Houston Oilers fan. Now I'm a Tennessee Titans fan because of it. But Houston Oilers, I love it when they do the Retro, the Titans do the retro uniform. It looks so slick. I didn't know that about you.

I didn't know you loved Earl Campbell and the Houston Oilers. Tom Phillips, Dan Pastorini, all of them. I haven't trouble making sense of that, you know, with Connecticut. It's your Northeast upbringing. And I know you love hockey. You and I've talked hockey. And you are, by the way, a college football fan.

So if you want to send me, by the way, and Earl Campbell signed anything, yes, it can live right here in the Dallas studios of the Will Kane show. Whatever you want to send me anything signed by Earl Campbell. So, Rich, before I get into various subjects with you here today, you know, I just want to get your take. I've been talking about this for two days now. And I think that it's a really, I think,

I think it's a disservice the way that you would understand or not even hear about the story of what happened in Charlotte, North Carolina, if you listen to really any other news outlet, at least in television form, outside of Fox News. But it's also the why. You know, I just played sound from Van Jones and Brian Stelter. You know, and the concern is the racist conclusions of a viewer, of a listener, or the racist implications by noticing the role of race in what happened in Charlotte. Yeah, well, I mean, they're bunches. of things to say about this. One, the media has gone through two stages here. One, ignoring the story. And then when they began to pay attention to the story, it was shaming all of us for paying attention to it. And two, is it really the case that we don't pay attention to local crime stories

that become big national stories? This is what happened in every police involved a shooting involving an African American over the last 10 or 15 years. So this, and we're having a big debate about crime. This is a shocking event. There's no time in America, at least in Charlotte, certainly, when there'd been a brutal, if there'd been a brutal murder on the train, when people wouldn't be interested in it, concerned about it, want to know what happened and why. So this is a total legitimate story and a totally legitimate debate. Yeah, and the way you describe that, Rich, is the editorial judgment that I know I could hear you making in a meeting.

All of us do is like, okay, you know, this story is horrific. It's going to command the attention to the viewers. And then the story sometimes is like, but what is the larger takeaway? In a national news program or a national magazine, what is the larger takeaway? And, you know, let's just use as a proxy CNN, they can't get away with saying, well, it lacks national relevance. There's not a larger story because we're having a national conversation about crime, because you have talked about stories like George Floyd, but it's not just tit for tat because changes were made in the wake of George Floyd. restorative justice, inequity, and putting prisoners back on the street and reducing jail populations that made stories like this in Charlotte relevant and national.

Yeah, so I think there are two aspects to this debate. One is you need more cops, making more arrest, locking, and people need to be locked up longer. It just as a basic matter of common sense and almost math will, if you're arresting people for more violent crimes and putting away longer, they can't harm the general population. And I think at Chicago, only one in seven arrests are completed after a violent crime or executed after a violent crime. That's a shocking, shockingly low number. And it's been trending lower over time.

And they've had trouble keeping their force numbers up as many cities have because after Black Lives Matter, the cops were the bad guys, right? Do you want to have your life destroyed if you're a cop just doing your job and someone doesn't like the way it looks because there is a distorted view of it? whatever? No. And do you want all the authorities in your city saying you're terrible and you're racist and you need to be funded? No. So a lot of these places have had trouble getting cops. But the more cops you have, the more they're out on the streets, the more of the rest of they're making better for public safety, just obviously. And then we have this overlay that we have in

Charlotte. We've seen also a lot of New York City subway shoving cases. These are guys have long rap sheets. And it's not just their criminals. They have serious untreated mental illness and the offense that this guy was in trouble with this year immediately prior to this horrific murder was just a function straight function of his madness right he thought he was being controlled by some man-made substance in his body he was telling the police about this saying you got to help me with this they said sorry we can't help you with that and he calls 911 and they're like you can't you can't do that you're abusing the system we're charging you for that but that's just a totally a function of his paranoid schizophrenia his mother knew he was out of his mind every

police officer who dealt with him, knew he was out of his mind, yet the system did nothing. So someone like that, they need to be institutionalized and they need to force to take medication. And if they get better, they should be monitored. They can be out in the community. And you know what? They're not going to be murdering anyone. If they can't, they stay in the institution. The alternative is what we have.

Mad people wander in the streets, horrible for them, living these lives of squalor, horrible for public order. No one likes to see it or walk around someone on the grate. and occasionally, not always, but occasionally committing horrific crimes. We know what this problem is. We know how to deal with it. We just lack the public will. I saw this post, Rich, by Matt Walsh, over the Daily Wire. He said, look, we've just gotten soft in everything in society, including punishment.

You know, I don't think jail is any walk in the park. Not that I know I haven't been. I've watched a lot of, you know, jail. Docs on MSNBC or wherever else they run these days, A&E. But, and I've watched some really good series. I really liked the one about the guys who broke out of jail up in New York. They were fugitives for a while. Anyway, that's my experience with jail.

But I don't think it's a walk in the park, but Matt Walsh was saying, hey, everything's just gotten too soft. Like punishment isn't punishment. It should be very much a deterrent. And people should be fearing for punishment. They should be fearing for the consequences of their action. And we've walked too far away. as a quote-unquote civilized society from the basic fundamentals of truth of humanity.

And that is punishment should be, if done properly, a deterrent. Do you think that's true? Do you think, like, we're just not throwing down the hammer on people the way that we should if we want to actually make people fearful of the repercussions of crime? I'm a little conflicted about this. I think jail is punishment enough. Conditions in jail should be humane. hopefully you're doing something to make these people better

and be able to stand on their own feet without being criminals when they're released. But the main thing is incarcerating them. Again, common sense says, study after study shows if you have criminal offenders behind bars, they can't hurt anyone. Maybe they hurt someone in the jail, but they can't hurt anyone in the general population.

So the more you do that, the safer community is going to be. And a fact of the matter is in a lot of these places, like Washington, D.C., I've seen the estimates They're about 500 young men, long rap sheets, probably gang affiliations, who are responsible for 60 or 70% of the gun violence. You focus on them. You go and arrest them, and you make a huge difference, right?

It's not as though there's an insurrection in Washington, D.C., where everyone is carjacking everyone else all day long. No, it's a very small core of people that you need to focus on. And if you get them behind bars, everyone's safer. All right. This polling just came out. Of course, at least the city in where you work, Rich, is very much leaning towards socialist, communist, candidate for mayor of New York City, Zora Mamdani. Latest polling shows he's got something like 46% approval rating. He's well ahead. I believe if you even combine Cuomo Adams and Sliwa, he's still ahead. And so therefore, now we have conversations about the embrace of socialism and the rejection of capitalism. So here's polling from Gallup. Rich. Do you have a positive opinion of capitalism by political party? If you're watching on

YouTube, on Will Kane Country or Facebook, you can see these charts up behind me, but Republicans have held strong, even gone up, you know, upwards of 78, 80 percent, positive view of capitalism. Independence have gone down. That's concerning from about 60 percent to maybe around 50 percent. Democrats, by the way, positive view of capitalism has gone down to around 40% on at the same time now um socialism has i think never yet never been higher maybe during the obama years it got a little bit close but um positive rating of socialism 39% positive view of socialism it's climbing up uh and then you can you can see finally what is happening with socialism specifically and it's and it's interesting rich how about

this. It's got a rise among Democrats to more than 60% positive, positive when it comes to socialism. Independence, fairly static at 40%. How about this? A little bit of rise among Republicans. Again, I don't know what's happened in 2012, but Republicans' high point on favorable view of socialism was about 25% in 2012. Right now, it looks like it's around 19%, which is higher than it was, you know, five, six years ago. So what do you think about all this, Rich. Well, it's shocking. Democrats are more favorable to socialism than they are to capitalism, right? And independents are moving the wrong way. But the changes here are really driven by Democrats, especially by young people. Now, interestingly, though, Will, if you ask them

what their view of free enterprise is, still highly favorable. I think it's what, like 81%, I might be making that up, something like 81% have a favorable view of free enterprise. So part of this may be the brand of the word capitalism or people associate the word with specific capitalists they don't like. You know, they don't like Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos or whatever it is while they still like free enterprise as a general manner. But this is hugely concerning. Mom Dani, you know, New York City staring down the barrel of a gun in the form of Mom Dami. And this just shows if you're AOC, I think challenging Schumer in the primary is a gimmie. And I think running for president makes sense for her because there is a constituency for that.

kind of message. Oh, that is fascinating. You look at this polling. You're in the internals with AOC, and you're like, this suggests, I think you're right, by the way, like this suggests you have a real shot, at least at Senator from New York. And I guess, like you said, it's encouragement for a run for president. I still have trouble wrapping my mind around a national office for someone who thinks the things that are thought by AOC and lives the life.

there's new report saying she stayed in fancy hotels, $3,000 a night type thing while she's doing the fight the oligarchy to her. She's being put up at the Ritz. It may not be the Ritz specifically, but you get the point. But yeah, you're right. Like this, this is encouragement for AOC. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, could she make a serious run at a Democratic nomination? Absolutely. I don't know whether she'd actually win. It's very tough to do when you're just a member of the House. Generally, you don't have a political base starting off with that that's big enough. But could she win a New Hampshire or in Iowa? Could she vacuum up all that Bernie Sanders vote? Yeah, absolutely.

All right, Rich, we haven't talked in a little bit. I mean, we text here and there. Usually you text me about football in some degree or some fashion. You've got this book out, so it's the case for nationalism. And I want to ask you about this, Rich. So, you know, we've known each other for a while. I have a pretty good sense of where you are ideologically. And I know for me as well how I have evolved to some degree. And it's easy, by the way, for any critics to say, well, you're doing what's best for your career. And I'm happy to articulate the way and the impact that Donald Trump has had on my thoughts, like in my views of the world. But I'm curious about yours.

Like, we haven't really talked together about, you know, you're an unimpeachable. conservative you've you've you've been at national review for decades and you know donald trump is a huge um a huge disruptor not just to america not just to the political scene but you know to the conservative movement and i just kind of wanted to see you know where you are i mean it's interesting in the context of your book about nationalism like where you are on don't yes i think objectively just outside of uh what i like or what i don't he's an epic figure i mean I mean, this has been a hugely consequential presidency already, and we're just nine months in. And I think historians will look back over the last decade or so and say, this is the age of Trump,

the same way, you know, the 1830s or the age of Andrew Jackson or the 1930s were the age of Roosevelt. So there's just no, no arguing just how significant he is politically and also culturally. I mean, he's a huge cultural figure. So, you know, I prefer a different kind of Republican, but, you know, Trump versus. is Kamala Harris. It's not a difficult choice. What's going to be best for the contrary. He's brother in the United States. I want him to succeed. There's a lot of stuff I like, a lot of stuff that Republicans have sought to do literally for decades and fail that, even a relatively small-scale thing like defunding the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

That alone is just huge. So I put it, Will, kind of in three buckets. There are things that I like the policy, and I think the means are correct and unquestionably legal. immigration, you know, border enforcement, immigration enforcement in that bucket. Then the things where I support what he's doing directionally and wish him success, what he's trying to do, you know, shape up Harvard, you get higher education to reform itself. But I wonder, you know, whether they've dotted the eyes and crossed the T's on the means of how they're going about that. Then there's a bucket of stuff where I don't like the policy, tariffs, and I don't think the means to do it is legal or appropriate. relying on IEPA for all these, for all these tariffs.

So it's, for me, it's kind of a mixed bag, but better than Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, absolutely, hugely consequential figure, absolutely. Change of the Republican Party, probably forever, absolutely. Two follow-ups, one specific and one more broadly ideological. Where are you on Donald Trump, the Trump administration, using military force to fight not crime like everybody else wants to talk about, but actually like drug cartels, you know, taking out that drug cartel boat in the Caribbean, Rand Paul, Senator, and I don't think you've ever been a libertarian rich, but Rand Paul doesn't like it, you know, I think he thinks

it's extra judicial, unconstitutional. Where are you on use of force like what we saw? What was it, a week or two ago with the drug cartels? So I understand why I did it, right? And in many respects, this is a classic Trump operation, like the Soleimani hit in the first term, extremely low. risk militarily. There's no risk militarily, but sends a huge message, right? Anyone getting on one of those boats is not doing it with the same confidence they were as of a week ago. I do think, though, if he's waging war on drug cartels, he needs a congressional authorization. And just designating them as terrorists isn't enough. Just as a strict legal matter, that gets to you.

You can't provide material support for them. We'll go after you. You can't come into the country, obviously, but it itself is not an authorization of force or a declaration of war. So this is one of these areas where I really think he's pushing the envelope in terms of his executive power. It'd be better to have more congressional buy-in, but that's not the way he's inclined personally or institutionally. And then Congress also is a long-term trend. It's just no longer really cares about asserting itself institutionally.

So, you know, he's going to get to do what he wants. So this can lead me to the more broader ideological question. So, you know, I don't think reading between the lines and reading what you write, like, you know, even if he is doing things outside of the normal process of the Constitution or beyond what would have normally been the scope of his power, I don't think there's any presumption of malignancy, meaning like he's doing broadly good things with these decisions. The fear, as always, is who you open the door to that comes in the wake of you, right? That's always the conservative fear of a powerful executive or doing anything outside the checks and balances of the Constitution. You know, there are going to be those on the left that think it's happening right now. Oh, my God, it's the Handmaid's Tale. But for even some on the right, which I don't think you think that, nor do I, you have concerns about, but what comes after you?

If we open these doors, who walks through after you're done? That being said, Rich, I'm curious, look, you idolized William F. Buckley. I idolized William F. Buckley. I was proud to have worked with you at National Review. The motto was sometimes you have to stand a thwart history yelling stop. I don't think either of us would deny that progressiveness, progressivism as an ideology has been on the march for a half a century, right? And so it does make you wonder like if yelling stop was enough. And what Donald Trump has presented is offense, right? I'm going to push back, to your point, culturally, but also policy-wise, I'm going to do things that put us back on the right track. It's going to amount to more than yelling stop, and it might amount to exceeding some of the comfort levels of checks and balances. And I just wonder if you see real value in even things that you wouldn't have before with Donald Trump. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's a great question. So one, I think not to get obsessed with this, I think the yelling stop thing is misunderstood. It meant resisting every means possible. It's just kind of a literary way to say

it. And, you know, Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan weren't purely defensive political enterprises. They were meant to advance the ball. So I think people understand that as, oh, you're just going to say something and not try to do anything, which was not what Bill Buckley and Goldwater and Reagan and that whole crew were about. So I'd give you an example, I think, of what you're hitting on, and then I'll make a broader point. So beginning in 2015 or 2016, what Trump was saying about NATO really concerned me, and at times freak me out. And at times, I was like, why is he saying this? This is deeply unsettling and wrong. You know, the whole thing, if they don't pay up, I'm going to let Russia invade them. You know, the country is I going to let Russia invade.

Then he gets this commitment. We'll see if they'll follow through, but commitment of 5% of GDP from NATO countries on defense. And now that the light bulb goes off, that does. It doesn't happen without saying things that are outrageous and develop through those outrageous thing, developing this leverage that you can use to pursue this goal that, again, if it's met, it's going to make the West more secure and stronger and that no one else was able to achieve with their more polite jawbone and traditional and conventional jawboning of NATO, right? Everyone's complained about this, but no one's ever gotten results like that. So that would be an example where Trump going outside the bounds of conventional rhetoric and conventional practices in doing it his own way that discomfied me worked. But I think in terms of just the constitutional order and lawfulness, there are two things there. One, the constitutional order is just everything depends on it. Our lividas ultimately depend on it.

We're supposed to honor it whether we like it or not. Certainly all office holders have taken an oath to uphold it. So that's fundamental for me. There's just the practical question. I think ruling by emergency decree, which he's had a tendency to do, I think we've seen it with the tariffs, I think the follow-on consequences, when the other side is in power, and they eventually will be, like it or not, we're going to get a climate emergency. They're going to take it and push it even further than he's pushed it. So I do think that's an arms race that will come back in, bite us, um, uh, over time as a practical matter.

All right. Really, really, really good conversation. I hope to see more of you, Rich, right here outside the four minute, uh, hit on Fox News. Let's get back to having some of these thoughtful conversations. Thank you so much. I'll get you, uh, I'll get you know if there's mini helmet. I can't, I can't vouch for it being signed by Earl Campbell, but I'll get you on. Baby Blue will have a home here on the Will Cain show.

It's a good color. All right. Thanks, Rich. Check out his book. We'll see you next time. The Case for Nationalism. Okay, he's sitting on deck, so I want to take a quick break and come back because we've got the Surgeon General of the state of Florida. Dr. Joseph Lidoppo is going to join us about doing way with mandates for vaccines in schools in Florida.

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All right, joining me now is the state health official for the state of Florida, state health officer and the surgeon general. It's Dr. Joseph Lodoppo here joining us on Wilcane Country. Dr. Lodopo, great to see you. Thanks for being here. Thanks, thanks, man. Good looking set you've got there, Florida Health, the U.S. flag, the Florida flag, very official, some Yeti Cup as well. Let's start here, doctor. I would love for you to lay out for me in your own description what you've done in Florida

when it comes to vaccines and mandates and schools. Yeah. So there are things that are in motion and there are things that we can only do with the lawmakers. So, you know, I know this issue has gotten a lot of attention because apparently a lot of people just don't believe parents are capable of making decisions that are going to. going to work out for their kids. And, and, you know, we made the announcement last week that in partnership with Governor DeSantis, we were moving to help create a state where people are no longer

forced to, you know, put vaccines in their children's bodies because there's a mandate. You know, people are welcome to put them in their bodies, but you shouldn't be forced to do that. As a parent, he shouldn't be forced to do that. So within the Department of Health, we do control some mandates. These are, you know, obviously done by a predecessor. I would like never introduce a new mandate, unless there was some amazingly compelling reason. And and so we're working to remove those. That'll be part of the, you know, the move we're making. And we're going to be working with the lawmakers to remove the rest of them. Right now, Dr. Ledapo, if you are a resident of Florida, you're sending your kid to school, how many vaccines are mandated that your kid have to enter whatever, kindergarten or first grade?

Yeah, that's good question. I don't know the exact number. It's probably around, you know, it's probably around 10 or a dozen or so. But yeah, that's current status. Okay. So you've got to have mandated. You have these various vaccines to come into school. Now, so before we get to the legislature side, you said you've got some that you can do with the Department of Health that we're done by your predecessor.

So just as a matter of fleshing out a few. I know, and we're going to get to this in a moment, you've had big debates. It's gone viral. There was conversation of whooping cough or, I don't know, hepatitis B. Which ones are you doing away with within your own department without it having gone to the legislature? Yeah, yeah. So let's see if I can remember them all. So hepatitis B is one of them.

And there's been a lot of attention on that lately you've probably heard because, you know, in this country, give it to infants, give it to babies. And, you know, hepatitis B is an infection that is usually associated with, you know, IV drug use and, you know, unprotected sexual intercourse and high-risk sexual activity and we're giving it to babies. And folks make an academic argument about it, but it's. bullocks i mean that's you absolutely don't need to do that in a country where hepatitis b rates in general or low and by the way moms get tested before they get birth so it's just a lot of nonsense but hepatitis b i believe is one of them uh very cell disaster is another one so the chickenpox vaccine uh that one is also controversial i mean i you you're you're younger than me i'm old enough that I had chicken pox and you know I don't know if you had chicken pox or not but that's a condition that that's a virus that I think actually was probably a bad idea it should have just remained a childhood illness rather than a rather than a disease that we immunized against another one in our department I'm trying to remember come back to me they're like one or two more another one's homophilus influenza I think and that's not necessarily a bad vaccine but again you know we don't need to man

it you can you can provide parents with information and let parents take care of their kids and make decisions and there's a fourth one and i think that that one might be a pneumococcal vaccine so very similar and that one's very interesting too on scientific levels because of what appears to be shifts and the types of pneumococcus that is out there based on pressure from vaccines which is not is not good or a bad thing. It's just sort of a scientifically interesting thing. So we have a few in the department that we're working to pull out. So parents don't feel a need to do that without thinking about it.

They get to think about it and make a decision for their children. Okay. I have a couple of follow-ups from what you just said, but I think now is a good point to address the conversation that you had on CNN with Jake Tapper that went somewhat viral. Let's, for the audience's sake and for a refresher, visit, revisit. just a moment of that that interview on CNN? Here's Jake Tapper. What I'm saying is that it's an issue of right and wrong in terms of whether parents should be able to control, have ultimate

authority over what happens to their kids' bodies. In terms of outbreaks, we do have outbreaks in Florida, just like every state. And we manage those, so there are no new special, you know, special procedures that need to be made. Right, but you're talking about doing something that no other state is done? We manage them just as always. But you're talking about doing something that no other state the United States has done and removing the vaccine mandate for public. So he goes on to talk about that you are doing something no other state has done is against the recommendation of every health agency, the AMA, pediatric associations, even the Republican senators of Florida.

I see the face that you're making, but even the Republican senators of Florida and some Republican politicians. So I'm going to let you pick up there on what you would say to him on the fact that you're doing something literally no one else. else has done and many don't think you should do in Florida. So, yeah, that was an interesting, interesting interview. So, you know, it's so interesting. There's so many, there are many layers there.

I know we had, I had this discussion about pertussis on there, too. But, you know, I respect, completely respect. Everyone has a right to have their perspective or opinion. I have no problems with that at all. this idea frankly it makes me i'll actually confess it makes me angry that because other people think something you can't think something else really makes me angry because it it's like stomping on people's individuality like why the heck can't you know people you know what i don't i care that people have their perspectives but this you know that silly strategy that he was using to you

know really try to pile on as if well as if uh as if that's a reason that's a reason that's a reason in for a person not to have a belief, whatever that belief is, that it contradicts with other people. That's nonsense. It's frankly, it's disgusting because it's, you know, it's, it's very, it's disrespectful to us as individuals and, and human beings. And like, human beings with, with free will and, and, you know, and creations of God. So I, I mean, I really hate that type of, that line of, you know, argument to reasoning. But, um, but, um, but, you know, Yeah, yeah. So I would say that keep some things in mind, right? It's especially, it's especially silly and foolish to be able to be using arguments like that right now.

Look what we just came out of with this COVID-19 pandemic. Look at all of the, all of the consensus that was total C-R-A-P, you know, another C-word, right? Look at the bad, bad recommendations that we saw that hurt people, that are still hurting people. I saw some headline today about how English and math scores for children are still, unfortunately, in the gutter nationally, not so much in Florida, but nationally. That's a direct result of bad leadership and bad judgment that, by the way, reflected a consensus during that time. That's fair. The idea that it's more than fair, it's true. And there were voices from the beginning, Will, that said, no.

You know, I was one of those voices. There were other people. They said, no, this is a bad idea. This is going to hurt kids. You know, this is going to erode trust. This is going to hurt people. And what did you hear back then? Oh, they're wrong.

Oh, they're going to hurt people. And so that notion that just because other people believe something, you shouldn't believe what you think is true, is complete nonsense. Fair, true to your characterization. Yes. The establishment, the medical establishment, the all-capital science, has lost a ton of credibility that you just simply outsource your judgment to whatever the consensus may be.

I think that's a great point to be made. He was using that to say to you, everyone else thinks X, you think Y, and are you prepared for the cost of being wrong on why or even not wrong on why just the consequences of why so what he was talking about is what about a measles outbreak what about uh rubella outbreak what about you know these different outbreaks that occurred and interestingly dr lepato like the vaccine and i'm not suggesting that you're anti-vaccine in fact i'm going to come back to that in a moment but the anti-vaccine movement originated somewhat on the left. And so we saw some experiments in liberal enclaves like I believe around San Francisco

where people didn't get vaccinated. And then you did see stats show increases and outbreaks of things that we thought were eradicated, whatever that may be. So I still don't fully have my arms wrapped around it because it would stay within the population of the unvaccinated. Like COVID and all these, if you're vaccinated, then somebody who has it is not a threat to you, right? Isn't that the whole point of the vaccination? But the question is, what happens if you see these outbreaks in the state of Florida? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, so it's a good question. And, you know, a couple things, right? So, you know, it's important to remember, first of all, that there are other countries that don't have vaccine mandates for schools. Sweden's one of them. I think Denmark's another one. I believe the United Kingdom is another one. Sky isn't falling out there. So it's important to remember, like, this can, you know,

this is something that can happen and does happen in other states. Pardon me, in other countries. You know, it's also important to remember that parents are, you know, they know their children best. So, you know, are we going to, is it a just position? Is it appropriate to take away? way, the ability of a parent to make a decision that they think is best for their child, I think that's inappropriate in terms of medications that they, you know, that they give their

children. So, you know, if there are, if there, if there are outbreaks, and, you know, and there've been outbreaks, we've had some. Other states have had, had some, frankly, this year, other states so far have had more than we have, but it fluctuates, you know, there's a lot of randomness to it. we'll manage them. And communities, right, like say a family decides, you know what, I don't want to give junior this particular vaccine, oftentimes for those vaccines, you know, if there's an outbreak, sometimes, for example, for things that are more contagious like measles, if the family feels that way still, you know, then that's what they, that's how they feel.

We saw that in Texas with those communities that they didn't run and go get vaccines during the measles outbreak, at least many of them. them didn't. They chose not to. And I'm sure there were families that actually changed their mind and decided to do that. So those are people can continue to make decisions. But it's important that they have that option. And taking away from them is, is not, in my opinion, the best path. So you really, so people can still receive them if they want them, if they're concerned about outbreaks. But it's, it's, um, these are, things that are, I am fully confident, are manageable.

Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Cain Country. This is Jimmy Phala, inviting you to join me for Fox Across America, where we'll discuss every single one of the Democrats' dumb ideas. Just kidding. It's only a three-hour show. Listen live at noon Eastern or get the podcast at Fox Across America.com. I'm Janice Dean. Join me every Sunday as I focus on stories of hope and people who are truly rays of sunshine in their community and across the world. Listen and follow now at foxnewspodcast.com. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. This is a question I want to ask. We're headed towards the end, but over the course of our conversation and over the course of understanding your argument,

having been made, seeing you in various places, I hear two justifications for the policy that you're adopting in Florida. One justification is the primary, okay? It sounds to me, if I are putting a percentage basis on it, it's 80% of your rationale. But you did, even in the course of our conversation, hint at another one as well. And the primary motivation I hear is individual choice. We want parents to make decisions for their children. We want you to have that freedom of choice. We don't want to mandate a whole host of things, medicines that you've got to put into your child.

That is the one you made to Jake Tapper. That is the primary one you've made here with me today as well. And I think everybody appreciates and understands that. Yeah, let me interrupt you. I'm so sorry because there's just a piece that when you expressed it that I would say isn't quite uh doesn't quite vibe well isn't quite carrying the energy of it it's not so much that you know when i hear when i hear how i'm hearing what you're saying it's almost like it's an option but it's not like an option it's how things should be so that's you know that's different it's not

like oh well we could let parents or we could out let parents no no we should let parents the children are the primary responsibility of the parents it's not like some i got wishy-washy option i just you know just the vibe is is different i want to because it's like it's not a b or c okay you're hardcore you're hardcore on that so and that's a moral position which i get which which i get which i think what you're emphasizing to me is this is a moral argument for you the morality is that parents should be in charge of their children and deciding what goes into their body Am I saying, am I vibing more now? And the state shouldn't be different.

Okay, that's good. We're there now. And I agree with that. I totally agree with that. I totally agree with that. Meaning I share your passion for that morality. I did say that I thought I heard a little bit in your conversation with me today that there might be another justification as well.

And I'm curious, and I have to explore it. Because it is the justification that the other side, the left, is fearful. of you or RFK or me or anyone else that brings up these issues on. And that is, are you rejecting the efficacy and the safety of vaccines? Which, by the way, you could. There's nothing wrong with that. Every medicine should be analyzed on its risk-reward basis. But that's what they're afraid of, I think, in the end, that this entire conversation about whether or not we should accept the safety and efficacy of vaccines, whole cloth, like eating out of a cracker jackbox. And when you brought up chicken pox, you said to me, you know, you wonder if we should even be doing that or if it should just be a childhood disease that people, is disease the right word?

A childhood sickness that we all go through like we did when we were younger, right? And so what I'm curious about is that sounded like you, not just saying, oh, I want to give everybody the choice, but you yourself suggesting there's a moral equation here of like risk, maybe not moral. There's a risk-reward equation here, and you think chickenpox lends itself more towards the risk than the reward of getting the vaccine. And I'm curious how much of that is impacting your decision on all of them, not just chicken. Yeah, sure, sure. Yeah, it's easy answer to that. Zero percent. So if you, if we had now vaccines for, you know, every illness, every major illness that were 100 percent effective and 100 percent safe, my position. would move this much. It's not changing because it's the correct position. It just turns out, and I don't go too much into the science,

because people like to go into the science about this, but it's really not a scientific conversation. That part, though, does have to do with informed consent, right? So, you know, all of these, all this, like, I mean, you know, I prescribe statins to patients. I don't say I believe in statins. I prescribe blood pressure medication to patients. I don't say I believe in blood pressure medication,

but you hear all of these MDs and PhDs walking around saying that they believe in vaccines. Interesting. Tell me about that, you know. Where's the Bible of that? I want to read about that, you know? So, so, you know, the scientific discussion is, is, frankly, it's corrupted. It's corrupted by the fact that people have so much belief in vaccines that they can't even evaluate data very evenly. I'll just bear with me here.

One of the things, I'm new to this, by the way, frankly, I didn't know. I didn't believe any of this before the COVID-19 pandemic. But, you know, look at the fact that pretty much virtually all of the diseases on the childhood humanization schedule. When you look at the studies that were used for FDA approval, you'd think that they would be, oh, it's vericililor versus a saline placebo, but it's not. It's always a vaccine versus another vaccine, which is incredibly corrupt. There are multiple layers of scientific corruption in this area, unfortunately. And I hear you, by the way, by the way, this isn't a debate.

This isn't a cross-examination. This is a conversation, and it's one that I agree with. Like, I think that every individual should be going through the risk-reward analysis of the data for every single medication and every single treatment that they and their children grow through. That's a conversation between them and their doctor. What you are suggesting to us, and I really like the line about if I knew they were all 100% since safe and all 100% effective, it would change my moral position on the role of the state in this entire enterprise, 0%. That clarifies exactly you as the public, as the surgeon general and the public health official as a state of Florida. What you as a doctor might tell your patient, well, I'm sure that's individualized on every single one of these medications and every single one of those individuals. All right, really good stuff.

Dr. Lodopo, thank you for spending so much time with us today and clarifying your position. Well, it's a heck of a story and something to follow out of the state of Florida. Thank you. Thanks, boy. We'll see it. Okay. All right. Take care.

I thought he might say he's going to send me a University of Miami or Florida State or Florida helmet, but got to get everybody in on the scheme. Before we go today, let me just see if I can do this really quickly. Ellie, hey, can you come here into the studio? Tinfoil Pat, two a days, Dan. I don't know if you know this. Pop yourself up. Hey, can you come here for a day? No, the show's over.

It's okay. We're just going to record the ins and outs. Okay. Did you know? I don't know where tinfoil is. Can you pop him up, Dan? Hold on. I don't know if you can.

Oh, sit right here. Just sit right here. Did you know, Dan, that today, did you know tinfoil that today is Ellie's birthday? Yes, it is. How old are we today, Ellie? 23. 23 years old. How old do you feel?

Oh, my. That makes me feel so long. That's right. I would say he's trying to pull up Patrick. there we go right now but he's having trouble happy birthday happy birthday here comes patrick happy birthday yeah that's right no no no stop dan stop you can't do that i would say you can't sing you can't sing you can't oh that's a great point no it's not dan's voice i know what it is american idol you're right it's the rights to that song it's the right i can't sing that song i think

we got to pay money for that song that's right not worth it we'll get demonitized 23 you're going had a lot of birthdays ahead. I'm not sure we need the budget. Happy birthday, Ellie. I wish I knew was her birthday while she was up here. Thank you guys. We could have hung out. Yeah, he says you wish it would have been your birthday when you were in New York. I know. Could have hung out. I know. I'm playing relay like on a field shoot. She doesn't have an IFB, so I'm going to tell her and translate what you say. Happy birthday, Ellie. We're not actually after the show. This is all on air. So actually, audience and will this just say happy birthday to Ellie. Yeah. see

wellisha drop into the comments tell ellie happy birthday mark it does so says happy birthday all that is that's going to do it for us today thank you all for hanging out and those are two great conversations

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