Will Cain Country - Fallout From The Rock's 'Non-Endorsement' Of President Biden

Episode Date: April 8, 2024

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and I would suggest that could be wise because we made a little bit of news on Friday. We made a little bit of news over the weekend, big weekend for the Will Cain show. Our interview on Friday, one full hour with Dwayne the Rock Johnson. The most followed man in America has taken over the national conversation. In that interview, the Rock declined to ensure. endorse a presidential candidate in 2024 and said not that he regretted

endorsing Joe Biden, but that he regretted endorsing any political candidate. Now what does that mean? What was it like sitting down with the rock? Who is the man that I'm getting to know? I'm going to share you a quick story about the man

if you would indulge me for one second. Last week I called up the president of W.E. A man named Nick Kahn. Now, I've known Nick for quite some time because it used to be an agent at CAA. He's now the president of WWE. I called up Nick because as part of our fund to raise money for the survivors of the Lahaina Fire, I've gotten to know a boxing ministry. When I say boxing ministry, what I mean is they preach and they train kids physically and spiritually. It's called

contending for the kingdom. And they, like everybody else in Lahaina, Maui, lost everything burned to the ground. I got to know the leader of contending for the kingdom, Dusty Raynome. He was one of the beneficiaries of our fund, helped the people of Maui, helped the people of Lahaina, who so many of you ended up helping by donating over $2.6 million. Our fund has now concluded almost $210,000, $12,000 grants across Lahaina. But Dusty was still left with what to do with contending the kingdom.

and I'd spoken to various people out there in the industry who knew something about boxing, and I was hoping to get heavy bags, speed bags, headgear, gloves, donated to getting this thing back up off the ground to build back from the ashes in Lahaina. But I ended up on a phone call last week with Nick Kahn, again, the president of WWE. I didn't even get my story out. I probably spoke for 30 seconds, and he said, say no more. Let me call you right back. Nick called Dwayne the Rock Johnson.

He called Dana White of UFC. They are sister companies under the parent umbrella of TKO. The Rock sits on the board. He's the director. That's why his WrestleMania character is the final boss of TKO. And it was done in moments. It was done in minutes. That boxing ministry, this week, will have everything it needs delivered.

Heavy bag, speed bags, headgear, gloves. raps, everything needed to minister and train young kids in Lahaina under contending for the kingdom. What I'm telling you is, as we talk today about the political fallout, as the headline that everyone else is focused on, and we will discuss today, I'm not going to pretend to you that I know and I'm best friends with Dwayne Johnson. I'm not. I just have now had the opportunity to speak with him now for roughly an hour and a half over two separate interviews. And all I know is that when someone is presented with the opportunity to do something good and they readily take it, we should take note of the character of that human being. We're tempted to be cynical.

We're tempted to look into ulterior motives. I know for a fact that the Rocks People Fund of Maui, which raised $60 million, I believe he contributed the first $5 million. I know for a fact that went to the people of Lahaina. I know they received $1,200 a month for one year. I know the people, including many of Dusty Raynone's friends and family. I know thousands of people in Lahaina that received money from the people's fund. And I'm just here to tell you not to advocate, not to celebrity worship, not to try to build a new best friend. I'm here to tell you the truth.

And the truth is when people are presented with the opportunity to do good, we take note. And Dana White and Nick Con and Dwayne the Rock Johnson have done. good for the people of Maui and Lahaina. Now, what does that mean for politics? What's that mean for everything else everyone's talking about today? We're going to dive into that and just a little bit here on the Will Kane show, including diving into something I promise does not disappoint. I know everyone says, wrestling, isn't that for kids?

Wrestling, that's when I was a kid. I'm going to hear to tell you, if you're into entertainment and you're into a show, there is no better show than WrestleMania. My first experience last night in Philadelphia. Now, will the total eclipse of the sun live up to the same type of expectation? The entire nation within the next hour and a half to two hours is waiting to see the sky darken. The sun blotted out by the moon. The entire nation is waiting for the total eclipse.

The crew here on the Will Kane show. Two days, Dan, Young Establishment James, and tinfoil Pat are. under at least some direct threat, not from the darkness, but from their position on the Will Cain Show, because tinfoil Pat is our resident peer beneath the covers, understand what everything is really happening in America. Well, my 12-year-old son intends to take that position. He tells me, they're up to something. Earthquakes, bridges collapsing, highway shutting down, eclipse. He tells me, look over here while something else happens over there. This kid is not on X. He's not on TikTok. He's not on social media. He's not on anything. And he's coming for you. He's

coming for you, Tinfoil Pat. He also tells me I rip off all of his takes. I once had a conversation with you about the fact that Domino's pizza is underrated. He says I directly cribbed that without giving him credit that take here on the Will Ken show. Instead of been eating Domino's pizza long before you were born, son. But you might be on to something here with the eclipse. So I don't know if we can look directly up there or not. Conflicting evidence. conflicting testimony. Can we look? Do we need to wear our glasses? I don't know exactly if this is going to underwhelm or meet expectations, but here at the end of the Will Can Show, we, we're all going to walk outside. Me in Dallas, Texas, where it's overcast and promises to

disappoint, but it's directly in the path of the total eclipse, and we will be figuring out, does it live up to WrestleMania? In fact, let's dive in to the news that drove the weekend. Dwayne the Rock Johnson with story number one. On Friday's episode of the Will Kane podcast, which you can watch on YouTube, one full hour. I highly encourage you to listen to The One Full Hour because on social media, all you will hear is clips. Clips like the following when I asked Dwayne how he felt about his endorsement in 2020 of Joe Biden

and how he felt about the state of America. Listen. Are you happy that you made that endorsement? in 2020, are you happy with the state of America? Am I happy with the state of America right now? Well, that answer is no. Do I believe we're going to get better? I believe in that.

I'm an optimistic guy, and I believe we can't get better. The endorsement that I made years ago with Biden was one I thought was the best decision for me at that time. And I thought back then when we talk about, hey, you know, I'm in this position where I have some influence. it's my job then. I felt like that then. It's my job now to exercise my influence and share with this is who I'm going to endorse. Am I going to do that again this year? That answers, no. Let's start with cynicism. Let's start with what that conversation has been turned into. The headlines

screamed on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and even this morning today in outlets like Vanity Fair, that Dwayne the Rock Johnson regrets endorsing Joe Biden. That characterization, that distillation of our one-hour conversation has been treated with a community note on X. He did not say to me that he regrets endorsing Joe Biden. He did say he regrets making any political endorsement. It has been turned into every headline screaming he regrets endorsing Joe Biden. so much so that outlets like The View played that clip to the response of an overwhelming chorus of booze towards the rock from those sitting in attendance before Whippy Goldberg and Joy Behar.

Joy Behar going on to say, should we care about celebrity endorsements, apparently lacking any self-awareness that the entire show, The View, is based upon the idea that something matters because it's said, by a celebrity but i also think there's many who are treating this moment with cynicism in that they are saying the rock is simply doing this because now it's good for business he's now involved in wwe he now wants a more conservative audience and i can't tell you another man's motivations i can't tell you why there was no further conversations behind the scenes besides those which you see on camera that would have shed light on that conversation. But I can't peer into someone else's soul, but I can tell you even if that cynicism is warranted, even if Joe Biden wasn't rejected by the Rock, even if Dwayne Johnson doesn't regret endorsing Joe Biden.

It is notable. It is important. I'm going to tell you why, as now you listen to a little more of Dwayne's explanation as to why he will not make an endorsement in 2024. But I also realized that what that caused back then was something that tears me up in my guts back then and now, which is division. And that got me. And I didn't realize it then.

I just thought, hey, our country feels like there's a lot of unwelcome. rest. It feels like I would like things to calm down. Maybe we need a change. This is what I'm going to do and this is who I'm going to endorse. The takeaway after that, months and months and months, I started to realize like, oh man, that caused an incredible amount of division in our country. So I realize now going into this election, I'm not going to do that. I wouldn't do that because my goal is to bring our country together. Here's why I think it is not. more than notable. Here's why I think this conversation actually deserves the new cycle that it drove without having to say that he regrets endorsing Joe Biden. I heard Mary Catherine Ham on

the Megan Kelly show say what this actually represents is a change, a shift in what is seen as normal, in the mindset of the quote-unquote normie, in what has been normalized. You see, she explained, the Rock is at least, despite his celebrity and being the most followed man in America, normal adjacent. And I think she's right, having been around him on a couple of occasions. I think his instinct, his gut, his background, his upbringing, puts him in a position where he doesn't come off as someone who was raised in celebrity culture. He doesn't come off as someone attempting to be elite. He comes off as someone who wants to be in touch with Americans. And I think that in 2020, most normies

saw for better or for worse saw whether or not they should have Joe Biden as a return to normalcy however we feel those that support or those that detract from Donald Trump it was an aberration from the norm and for many of us that was a good thing because the norm has been corrupted so what Joe Biden sold himself as

in 2020 was a blank slate he hadn't hidden the basement he didn't take any strong positions he allowed the election to be a referendum on Donald Trump. And to win over normal voters, Donald Trump was painted as abnormality. What we see now is a change in Joe Biden's administration and the overall ideology of the left and by extension then Democrats is that it's no longer normal. After three and a half years of trans ideology and $35 trillion in debt and an exploded border, a culture

that has been divided upon not only racial lines, but gender lines and trans lines. It's sitting on a razor's edge of divisiveness. And it's the exact opposite of what is sold in 2020. It's anything but normal. And as someone who is normal adjacent, I think what the rock represents is an American who now sees we can't have this. This path is not what was sold. This path is not normal. And look, in Hollywood, declining to,

endorse Joe Biden, even if he's going to behind the scenes vote for Joe Biden is almost the same as an endorsement of Donald Trump. That's what you saw on the view because they're still living in this insane world that Donald Trump represents a threat to democracy, that Donald Trump represents the threat to their daughters, there's going to be a national abortion ban, something explicitly rejected today by Donald Trump. So they will see that world, that elite poisoned culture will see that statement, that lack of endorsements of Joe Biden as the same as an endorsement of Donald Trump. But it's not.

What I think it represents is a shift in what is seen as normal. And I think that's important. I don't think the world breaks down into left and right. I don't think the world is ideological. I hearken back to the conversation we had on the Will Kane show here with my friend and who is a very successful trial attorney who talks about how they've been paneled mock juries. And he said, they don't go in there and there has never in his career been a situation like 12 angry men. What they want to do is get along. And the first person that takes a strong stand

defines the jury, game set match within five minutes. The first person who plants a flag dictates the opinions of the remaining 10 or 11 because they will fall in line with their instinct to be to get along, to be normal. And what we're seeing is, importantly, a shift in what is seen as normal. And by that token, I would also say, therefore, the cynicism that the rock could be doing this for business is also important because business saw that what was good for business was to embrace Joe Biden. That's what has been normal in America. But we're seeing a shift away from that now. Even if it's not a true believer, even if it has nothing to do with ideology, even if it seems to be measuring the pulse of America, it shows a shift in what is

normal in America. And because of that, I think this moment is incredibly important. I think what we heard from Dwayne the Rock Johnson deserves the nation's attention over the past 72 hours. I think we it represents a deep and important if not ideological change in what is normal in america i encourage you go listen to the full hour of that conversation it's deep i think you'll learn more about the man i think you'll learn about the legacy i think you'll learn about the business of wrestle w w and wrestling and the experience of wrestlemania and i think you'll even begin to understand that at the heart of everything, movies, Hollywood, politics, culture, when you distill it all down, you will get to Cody Rhodes versus Roman Raines.

You will get to WrestleMania. When you distill it all down, you will get to WWE. More of that coming up in just a little bit here on the Will Cain Show. But let's see if I'm right. Let's see if this moment is big for America. Let's talk to former presidential campaign manager, Kelly Ann Conway, next on the Will Cain show listen to the all new brett bear podcast featuring common ground in-depth talks with lawmakers from opposite sides of the aisle along with all your brett bear favorites like his all-star panel and much more

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on demand when you subscribe to the Will Kane show on YouTube or on Apple or on Spotify. Let's look at 2024. Let's look at vice president. Let's look at president. And let's look at 2028 with presidential campaign manager and counselor and Fox News contributor Kellyanne Conway here on the Wilcane show. Hey, Kellyanne. And Wilcane friend. How are you doing, Will. I'm good. I'm glad to have you on the show today. I think you're the perfect guest to talk about what drove the news cycle for the past 72 hours over the weekend. And it is something that happened right here on the Will Cain show. It is that Dwayne the Rock Johnson declined to repeat his endorsement for Joe Biden in 2024. I'm curious, having been

inside campaigns, Kellyan, how important do you think it is, or how unimportant is it, do you think it is, that a celebrity is big, and he's the most followed man in America, a celebrity is big of The Rock made that statement to me here about Joe Biden. It's huge. And I was also at Link, Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia, watching WrestleMania XL on Saturday night. And, of course, the final piece of the show, piece of the program, was the Rock going out there in the ring.

So I think it's incredibly important, Will, because he didn't just unendorsed Joe Biden and go quietly into the night. He explained why. He said he's not doing that again for two main reasons. Number one, he thinks that Joe Biden has divided America. And number two, he's so tired of woke. And I know he said many of the things to you and to others who have interviewed him. But it's incredibly important when somebody stands up, speaks up, puts up, and shows up.

And he did that politically. You had a lot of celebrities who don't like Donald Trump, who endorsed Joe Biden, endorsed Hillary Clinton, gave them money, et cetera, who then sort of, if you ask them, hey, what do you think of Kamala Harris? or, hey, what do you think of Joe Biden's ability, agility, and acuity? They want to talk to you about your kids in the weather. The rock, Dwayne Johnson, came out and is forcefully telling people why he made a mistake and won't do it again.

And you hear that for many voters. I think when you see so many of the court constituencies of the Democratic Party and the Democratic electorate, leaving Joe Biden, considering voting for Donald Trump, obviously Hispanic, Americans, African Americans, young people, some women, political independence, definitely. If you listen to them tell you why, it sort of mirrors what Dwayne Johnson, The Rock, is saying. You know, Kellyanne, I have to say after that conversation, I didn't come away with the impression of, oh, he's going to vote for Donald Trump. I don't know which way he's going to vote. And he said to me specifically, that will be private between me and the ballot box.

But it does, you know, it does, I don't know if you heard what I just had to say, does that, still represent to me this deeper cultural shift in America, which is, you know, big business, even if he were doing it for business, or celebrity, even if he were doing it to broaden his audience, or even if he's just simply someone kind of in touch with, and as you point out, you were at WrestleMania, and that is America, like WWW is America, even if he's someone in touch with America, I think it still represents a shift, because for the better part of I would say, and you could address this better, but at least eight years, anything that, forget conservative, forget Donald Trump, anything that wasn't far left was described as crazy.

Anything that wasn't, anything that didn't, you know, full-throatly endorse Joe Biden was seen as a threat to democracy. And that's what they're still saying on the view. And that's why they're criticizing him. They're not criticizing him because he endorsed Donald Trump. They're criticizing him because he's not endorsing Joe Biden. And therefore, he's potentially open, they're saying, to a future that destroys democracy. And I think what this moment represents is no one's buying what you're selling anymore.

You're losing normal America. Your crazy prism of the world is not a monopoly view of America. And there's a reason for that. People know what they see with their own two eyes will. So we can go with what the Democrats say to us is true or we can go with what we see to be true. And I trust Americans and their essential wisdom and their eyesight to know what they see and to vote on it. That's what's happened with the border. You know, years ago, nine years ago, when Donald Trump elevated the border into the national consciousness,

he met with international criticism and ridicule. He was called names. You're never going to win. We're going to win Hispanics forevermore as Democrats. The opposite has happened. Because many Americans now are saying, well, hold on. I'm watching what's happening. You're letting over 8 million people in roughly.

population larger than 39 states in this country. And they're coming here. And that's not, that's not fair. That's illegal. But then they're saying, and when they get here, you give them cash, cell phones, clothing, shelter. You give them my kid's seat in the classroom, in the second grade in New York City. This is not just fair. This is an American. And this is not the way things are supposed to be. We are a compassionate, generous nation among the most, absolutely the the most in the nations in the world's history. You can come here legally, 34 million and counting have. So people are watching this. Yes, they're watching groceries and gas increase. They're watching crime. They're watching Ukraine. They're watching Israel. But they're also being called

names themselves because of their political beliefs. You have a president of United States and Joe Biden, who has said Maga, mega, who with a Marine behind him stationed in Philadelphia, gave an official speech as our commander-in-chief to basically castigate and denigrate a very large percentage of our nation. We can't have a president that does that. And so people are rising up. They're also, and this is why I will,

I also say, like, you can talk about Joe Biden's bumbling, stumbling, mumbling, but everybody sees that. The art of politics is not to tell people what they can see, but what they can't. And what they can't see is that maybe don't remember is his chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, killing those keystone pipeline jobs on week one out of spite, how he has emboldened a nuclear capable Iran,

delisting the terrorist groups as terrorist groups, and saying let's get back in the JCPOA. So I think everywhere you look, people know this is a man-made crisis, but it only takes a few rocks in the world, the rocks in the world. Honestly, Dwayne Johnson's to say, hey, I endorsed him last time for a reason.

I'm not doing it this time for the following reasons. You know, last point, I think it doesn't get enough coverage that one of the reasons, and you touched on this before I came on today, so I want to mention it, one of the reasons that Hispanic Americans and Asian Americans and even African Americans are leaving Democrats and considering voting a Republican, if not for Donald Trump, in addition to the border and crime and public safety and the schools and certainly the economy, it's the open hostility to religion and religious people that the Democratic Party has displayed for years now. They don't realize that if you walk into a Catholic church on a Sunday in many of our suburbs, you see the pews filled with multi-generations of Hispanic Americans and Asian Americans. African Americans are worshiping for hours at a time in their churches. And so if that's the way you spend your Sundays, if that's very important to you in your life and your decision-making process and your values, it's going to be important to your politics as

well. And the Democratic Party is openly hostile to religion. Prove me wrong. They offer thoughts now they can't even say thoughts and prayers so you said so much that i want to respond to but one of the things i want to say is and we'll leave the rock here in that interview and again you can go watch the whole thing the full hour on youtube or listen to it on spotify or apple is that he said to me look the same he said the same thing you did kelyan and it's something that's like really core to who i am and why i do this and what i believe he said to me i believe in americans like i do I believe in the inherent goodness and capability of Americans. And look, I don't like making things overly partisan, but that's not the message you receive when you listen to Democrats.

It's almost like this disdain for Americans, this scolding we need to change towards Americans. I just believe in the fundamental goodness and capabilities of American. So do you. And by the way, so does Dwayne Johnson. But now I want to move to this because you started to go here back to the normalcy thing. I think it is reflected in what you said. And we did it on Fox and Friends weekend this past weekend. Black voters have dropped from 90% support to, I believe, it is 68 or 61%.

It's a huge drop in support for Joe Biden. Hispanic voters now below 50%. And here's a big one. Young voters, the voters under 30, he's shed another 10% among young voters. And so I think you have highlighted to us all the reasons for that being the case, that he is bleeding all of these voters. What I want to ask you, though, is what is the fallout from that, Kellyanne? So Joe Rogan on his podcast made a prediction, and I have no idea that he would have any

insight, but he said by May, his prediction was May, they will replace Joe Biden. And it will be Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris. Do you think Joe Biden will still be the Democratic nominee for president in 2024? I do. I mean, the odds are that he will be. I understand you do a switcheroo. It's actually easier under the Democratic Party rules to do that than it would be in the Republican Party.

But they're running out of time. And they're so invested in Joe Biden. Let's just say, Will, that they replaced Joe Biden with someone else. Do you think that the rest of us aren't going to make whoever he or she is eat and own all of the Biden policies? And the fact that whoever that is never stood up, never stood in the breach and said, hold on, this party's going in the wrong direction. We are so far out of sync now with where America is on.

spending government money that we don't have on things we don't need, what they've obviously done with defunding the police, what they're doing with the foreign wars, the border. The list goes on and on. So what Democrat is going to be able to stand up and confidently and competently tell America, tell these swing voters will that I'm the one who went against Joe Biden. No, you didn't.

You're the one who replaced him. There's a big difference. And if it's someone like Gavin Newsom, we add onto his shoulders all the failings and flailings of a beautiful state called California. California that he's presided over. So I understand why they want to get rid of him. Great advice to Democrats would have been, was get rid of Biden and Harris a year ago,

roll the dice, probably lose the presidency in 2024, but make Donald Trump the face of the opposition and rebuild your party back to what it was, the party of the worker, the party of the downtrod and those who literally are in the minority numbers wise in our nation. And the party that was always looked upon as, you know, a little bit more. more reasonable than they are now and always elevating and electing young people, JFK, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, even Jimmy Carter. God bless him, Will. He's 99 now. But he was 52 and he was elected. That's a young man. And so now they've got back to back Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. So it makes no sense. But I hear you completely, but how in the world would

they do that? And big question is, are you also getting rid of Kamala Harris? Because she's even less popular than Joe Biden. And I will tell you right now what scares many people, even someone who have a tiny little bit of sympathy for Joe Biden is. A vote for Joe Biden is a vote for Kamala Harris, possibly for 12 years. That scares many people. My only rebuttal is that there are no good answers to the questions you ask, but the answer that you're left with is one that just increasingly looks like certain loss, Joe Biden. And by the way, on Gavin Newsom, I hear you. Like on paper, you have to own the democratic policies of the last four years. Plus, you have to own California. On paper, that's an obvious loser. But I will say I do not underestimate Gavin Newsom. I do not

underestimate his ability to get before a podium with a bad set of facts and spin his lies and ways into a win. I think he is in that way, this isn't a compliment. In that way, he is a very good politician. I just do not underestimate Gavin Newsom. No, I don't at all. And he obviously, wants a future in Democratic politics. And I think he did a smart thing by telling the Biden team, I'm going to be a surrogate for you, raise money for you.

He shut up at the Fox News debate in Seamy Valley in his home state at California at the Reagan Library, went on a couple of Fox shows, has given an interview to Sean Hattany, has debated Ron DeSantis on Fox News. Pretty clever on his part. But I think the, why wouldn't he have also decided by now,

like I can't be the person who shoves out the first female vice president of color, someone else has to do that. I'm not going to do that. And so it would have to be something that Biden agrees to. It would have to be something Kamala's comfortable with. And even then, I just still think it's back to your original point, which is the Democratic Party, not just Joe Biden. The Democratic Party has veered so far, of course, to where it once was, but also from where America is. And I don't understand that. Biden's got enough reasonable, smart people around him. The only thing I can say is, that the prospect of Donald Trump coming back to office so infects the brains and the bodies of

otherwise decent people that they say and do things they can't possibly believe or possibly think is in the best interest of America. The best example I have is the one that most Americans are telling pollsters like me now in focus groups and in quantitative polling will is the most important issue to them, which is the border. They just don't understand. Remember, an open border is a proxy for many things. It's a proxy for economic unfairness. It is a proxy for national sovereignty, for security safety, fairness, the drug crisis, fentanyl, the number one killer of 18 to 45-year-olds in our nation. So it's, and yet the Biden people have to be reading the same polls the rest of us are. His approval rating, his disapproval rating in terms of handling

issues, worse. The worst one for him is his handling of the border second to his handling of the Israel Hamas war. So the border he inherited, the Israel Hamas war fairly new, and on both of them, he's just struggling mightily. And the two things that they're going to attempt to run on, what it appears to be, is that Donald Trump represents a threat to democracy, and that Donald Trump is going to push a national abortion ban. Now, that looks like something that was undercut today by Donald Trump. He put out a statement, put out a position on abortion, in which he said, I want exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother. And he also wanted it left up to democracy and a state-by-state basis.

So, you know, when I did the interview with The Rock and the way people on the left have distilled that, they're like, oh, okay, I guess the Rock, if he's not going to endorse Joe Biden, is okay with, you know, a national abortion ban. Does that put an end? Does Donald – tell me what you think of Donald Trump's positioning on abortion. Does it neuter the left – one of the left's two big arguments, and what does it do on the right? First of all, he is the most pro-life president in history. It took a true convert, a Manhattan male billionaire real estate executive for whom most of his adult life had been pro-choice, became the most passionate, emphatic, and active,

action-oriented pro-life president in American history. First president, much to my surprise, Will, first president to ever address the march for life in person, he did it several times. I was there. So, and then all the gains. And he starts out today's video saying, I want to reaffirm my, support for IVF and went back to the Alabama example. Then he said, I'm why Roe versus Wade was overturned. I did that. It's my three justices. He said that many times. So he is reaffirming

his commitment to Roe no longer being the law which means there's no federal constitutional right to have an abortion. What Justice Alito said in the Dobbs case almost two years ago, Wilcane, is that this issue should go back to the elected representatives who are closest to the people. He did not say you can't have a federal minimum standard, like say 15 weeks so that babies in Gavin Newsom's California or J.B. Pritzers, Illinois, or Kathy Hokels, New York, for example, don't die at 34, 35, 39 weeks, which is the law. But I think President Trump, and I talked to him this morning after he put out the statement, I certainly talked to him along the way before the statement. He wasn't hearing from a lot of United States senators and Senate candidates that they were going to put that on his desk as

president. Now, if they change their minds and they do that, then perhaps it's different. But right now, right here, he removed the left's lie, should have removed their lie, that he's for some kind of big ban and that the states don't have any rights. They still are lying about him. They're still lying that he wants to ban abortion. I don't question that he's pro-life, and I think he should be credited as pro-life. And there are lots of pro-lifers. I'm one of the, I mean, I am a thousand percent pro-life. But that's just not where the country is. And I think to move hearts and minds, we should be talking about 15 weeks, if for nothing else, is a conversation start or why. If Kamala Harris in the vice president's debate is at 39 weeks, ask her a couple simple questions.

So you know my exceptions. What are yours? Name your exceptions. There are babies being born Kamala Harris in your home state of California at 24 weeks, 23 weeks. They have names. Here are their names. three years old, five years old, seven years old now. They're citizens of California like you are. Vice President Harris. Could we get you from 39 weeks to the point at which they were born in your own state? And if people say, well, that's not probably, you're not listening, everybody. I got it.

But that's not where the country is. To get them there eventually is to show them that the left are a bunch of science deniers. They knew enough to mask up your five-year-old kid for the better part of two school years, but you show them a five-month-old sonogram. I don't know what it is. said, let me help you. That's the male organ and the baby sucking his thumb and waving at you. So I know a lot of pro-lifers will be very disappointed today. But also, if you're in one of the states, and there are many that have no abortions except for life of the mother, a South Dakota,

I believe, Arkansas, a bunch of others, then President Trump just said to you, that was your right. In the state of Florida, there's now two things. It's either the six weeks that Rod DeSantis signed into Laws governor, or it's his new ballot initiative. which as I read it, has no guardrails at all. They're saying, do you agree or disagree with a state constitutional right to an abortion? And someone's going to say, well, yes, but there are no exceptions in what I read. And so that would be worse position than pre-Dobs. But I think it's important for him to reaffirm a cultural life.

And I will tell you that there are a lot of senators and Senate candidates and House candidates and others. And certainly there are consultants telling them, this is why you lost in 2022. It's never because of the consultants, by the way. This is why you lost in 2022. You're going to lose again in 2024 unless this is taken off the table and we talk about states' rights. But I will give this little warning for those who are running for Senate and saying or House and saying states rights only, then you have to ask yourself why you're talking about

school choice and charter schools and school board elections and policing and crime. Those aren't just states issues. Those are local issues. And I want everybody to talk about everything. I want us to talk all day long about how the lefty-firm. of the police. But that's not a federal issue, is it? It's a state issue. It's actually a local issue. So we have to be a little bit careful. And I think at the same time, we have to create this culture of life at all times. And President Trump, I believe, and someone who knows him well,

worked side by side with him as the most pro-life president in American history and someone I talked to today. I believe he's going to continue, as he did in that video, for fight for life and a culture of life. I believe life begins a conception. Not everyone in this country believes that. You spoke to him this morning. You worked with him side by side in the past. Will you formally work side by side again with Donald Trump? Let's see what my best and highest use is. Obviously, I worked for the country while working for President Trump and Vice President Pence. And I want to make sure that whatever I'm doing serves the country the best I can. But I think, and President Trump says this all the time because there's all these stories about personnel and this one, the other one.

He says all the time, said it to me very recently. Everybody has to put their head down and win. And I don't work for his campaign. We're very close to him, very proud of the work we did in 2016, very critical of his 2020 campaign. I think 2024 for President Trump is the best combination, Will Kane, because he has that hunger, swagger, underestimated underdog, you know, feistyness and ethos back with a presidential record that you can compare to Biden's record. And he's going to have enough of the funding.

And he's got these swing state polls going his way. He's got a lot of folks who didn't vote for him before or didn't vote for him in 2020, at least, who are giving him a second look. Biden has a little bit of advantage on the money right now. The Democrats have a huge advantage on the mechanics and the process and the ground game. Hopefully that's turning around.

But I fear that they who control the mechanics and process control the outcomes. And that is just that just they're getting people out there, ballot harvesting and early voting and all of that. They're more interested in that process and power than ideology and policy, you know, for whom to vote philosophically and why, meaning for policy wise, why. They're more, I mean, they gave us Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, John Federman in the space of two years. So they're not even pretending to want the most qualified people to hold public office. And we should believe them when we see them. I really like when you

say Will Kane when you use my first name and last name. It's like you've grabbed me by the lapel and say, listen to this point, Will. It's short of a Kellyanne. The whole thing. So, yeah. Last thing with you, Kelly Ann, then I'm going to ask you, then you can answer it how you want. Who's going to be, who's going to run with Donald Trump as vice president? So I think more important than who is, is what? What is the job description? Who do we, who, what does he need? First and foremost, it should be somebody helps him win and helps him govern. And that also means that he or her, he or she, excuse me, is not a distraction. President Trump should not be held to account for the vice president's

statements or record or anything else. So that kind of trims the list. I would have not been in the New York Times a month or two ago talking about how he should definitely look at candidates of color. So I know he's considering Ivan Donald's or Marco Rubio and some others. There, he certainly has other, he has some women on the list. He has some governors, some senators is on the list. He has some business people on the list. My new favorite, though, is to put on the list is Bill Hagerty, the senator from Tennessee, who helped us during transition, went over and served as the U.S. ambassadors to Japan or third largest economy, so he knows an awful lot about China. Former businessman had, you know, helped to run and build the Boston Consulting

Group. And now a United States senator from Tennessee, why did I say this? He's really good on TV. He's great on all the issues. He has a businessman's sense. I think he could beat Kamala Harris badly in a debate. And I feel like when Air Force 2 pulls up in any foreign nation and Senator Haggarty and some others de-playing, we would feel proud. We'd say, okay, I have confidence in his competence. I'm not a big fan of you need a woman, you need a minority, you need somebody this age, you need somebody. We need somebody is qualified. Joe Biden showed us the cost and consequence that we as a nation pay every day, Wilcane, for saying, I need a woman, I need a woman. You can pick a woman if you want, but it can't be anyone like Kamala Harris.

And so that's what we're up against. I think Donald Trump has an embarrassment of riches. I put in my op-ed Mike Pompeo, Marco Rubio, Tom Cotton, Katie Britt, Sarah Sanders, Christina, you know, they're all in there. And then some people are recommending the Dick Cheney model, somebody who wouldn't compete with Donald Trump and look at, you know, look at 2028 as their own. So that's more like the Ben Carson idea. And I think J.D. Vance is still on his list as well, the senator from Ohio, even though he's new to the Senate. And I think doing a very good job there. I think he voted for Evan McMullen. Right. He's important. He's important in the Senate. But that's not where I was going to go. One name you didn't say is a name.

That's fascinating what you just said about Haggerty. So, in something I hadn't considered, I have always thought that Tim Scott probably checked a lot of the boxes that you had described. Okay, you maybe just overlooked his name. Sorry. Sorry, he's on the list. And he's in my op-ed, of course. And he's a great- And he doesn't compete with Donald. He doesn't compete with Donald Trump. Like, he's not going to cause, like, the first thing you said is somebody that doesn't detract. Tim Scott's not going to detract from Donald Trump. But then the other way to go is ideological, which would lead you towards J.D. Vance. And he's very popular on the right. And he's very smart. But he's also an important position in Ohio as a senator. I hadn't considered, to your point about competency. Like, I think, again, I think we have. have to do a much better job. We who speak in the media, we who are pollsters, we who are into politics, have to do a much better job of understanding normal Americans. And normal Americans, I think, look this as, I think what you said, a competency crisis. Yeah, he's old, he stumbles. I'm talking about Biden. And yes, it's crazy ideologically, but they just want

somebody who represents America competently. And I have to learn more about Haggerty, but if he has an impressive business background, I know he's a politician as well now. But I just kind of like that. idea of, you know, people that understand how to get things done who have the right, the right ideological bent, but are so competent. Yeah, look them up. I mean, again, Boston Goodell and a full disclosure, I don't do any work for him. I'm addressing one of many people today. He's got his supporters of people from all around D.C. here, but I do that routinely

for all kinds of senators. But again, I'm just saying because, look, politics is not about biology or even chemistry. It's about math and science. You just need more electoral votes than the other person. And it would be great to have this one, that one, the other one. I hope we see a female president in our lifetime, just not the ones who have run so far and not the vice president we currently have on the left. But President Trump, he's being very deliberative about this process.

He's cast a wide net. His short list will continue to be long. He may surprise everyone. He may go with one of the more obvious choices that he's been considering from the very beginning. But Will Kane, not for a lack of vetting. and thoughtfulness and depth. And, you know, everybody says, who will help me win?

Who will help me govern is incredibly important. And when President Trump, if you were to get back there, just quickly, you know, when you think about al-Baghdadi and Soleimani and a nuclear capable Iran at bay and pushing back on Putin and Xi Jinping and Kim Jong-un, we need somebody's gonna reinforce that as well. And that could be many people, there's no doubt. But I don't think it has to be a governor, a senator,

a woman or a minority. He can choose whoever he wants. And then you've got the Democrats stuck stuck with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, unless, of course, what we discussed earlier comes true. And then they're just stuck with their record in the form of a new messenger. I didn't know you, Kelly and Conway, but it makes sense, at least to some extent, are a fan of wrestling and at least went to WrestleMania. I wish I would have known you were there, but that would have been a fun thing. I think it's at, Kellyanne, I think it's at the bottom of everything, like politics, entertainment culture.

Ultimately, you get baby face versus heel, baby face versus heel, a big fight after a big show. I mean, it's wrestling. It's America. It's a cultural zeitice. You got to look at the cultural touchstones to realize what's happening. And I like to say for years, I wasn't a political poster. I was a cultural anthropologist. Most of our clients were non-political.

They were consumer America, major league baseball. American Express used to work for all these different Martha Stewart Living's on the media, media company, and that you learn the way people make decisions, how they spend their time, how they spend their money, what they do when no one's looking. And if you show me how people spend their weekend, I can probably tell you roughly how they're going to vote. That's awesome. Let's do that next time.

I want you to give me a proxy for a couple weekends and what that means for how they vote. Kellyanne Conway, always great to talk to you. Thank you, Kelly Ann. You will. Take care. Bye-bye. All right. It doesn't fail to live up to expectations.

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I was a wrestling fan. I was a wrestling fan when I was a kid, right? And then like everybody, there's probably going to be a lot of people in the comments here. Yeah. You know, grow up. I did, right? and I kind of gravitated away from it. And I never went to a live event.

And in a lot of ways, it's made for TV. But I went. Oh, man. And let me tell you something. This is the one to go to, my man. This is the one to go to. What a weekend you had. I don't care if you're into movies, Broadway, sporting events.

It's like a combination of all of those done at an incredibly high level that you don't have to even, if you know the stories it makes it better but you don't have to be some massling wrestling fan to go this is incredible this is a show yeah no well you're exactly right i mean there really is nothing like it and i you know i'm kind of the same way and i'm sure a lot of you know the viewers and listeners are as well where it's you know you grow up you're like oh yeah like wrestling's great because you don't really understand it all and then you get older it may maybe fades away a little bit but what's really incredible with the wwe is they're really bringing it back that all these people that might have fallen off are coming back because you had the likes of the rock,

for example. And then last night you had John Sina show up and the Undertaker came out of nowhere. So they're perfectly mixing and matching some of the greatest names to ever do it that the casual person out there knows with also the younger audience coming up that knows of Roman reigns and knows Cody Rhodes and more. And there truly is nothing like it. But also what's great about it's a story as old as time where it's the good guy, the face. versus the bad guy, the heel, and whether it's politics, whether it's your local high school baseball match, whatever it might be, whether it's true life and family and friendships and relationships. It's all together in a sports entertainment spectacle. And when you're there,

you just were, my man, like people screaming and the chance and the signs and generational. Oh, yeah. It's wild. It truly is wild. Like nobody's too cool to not enjoy wrestling. Nobody's too cool. I don't care what you might say. You're not too cool to go to a live event. The crowd, you bring up the crowd, it's a little bit like European soccer. You watch European soccer,

and the whole crowd starts singing in unison. We don't really do that at football or basketball games, or they begin a chant where everybody knows what they're. And it's awesome because each wrestler has a catchphrase or something that he does in a fight, and the crowd knows. And they become part of the show because they're yelling his, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, or whatever it is. And you know what else they did? The crowd would break into random, in unison chance of, this is awesome. Like, they're loving it to the extent of publicly proclaiming this is awesome in the middle of an event. I've never seen anything like that. It truly is awesome what you're able to do.

But also, the wrestlers, they can feel that energy. You're kind of just like, you know, just like the soccer matches, as you said, there's really nothing like that when you come to any American sports here where you know, I mean football, you know, can take forever or whatnot, like, or just games in general. This is like, you are drawn in.

You come to this and you're able to escape the BS that is reality these days. And let's be honest, I think we all need to do that sometimes and just like the chaos and the, you know, how everything's so crazy out there in the real world and just have fun at a wrestling event. And I mean, listen, you are, you're Will Cain.

The fact that a diehard Dallas Cowboys fan, was willing to go to Philadelphia and deal like, who the heck everyone wants to go to Philly? I don't want to go to Philadelphia ever. Place is accessible as far as I'm concerned with crime and everything. But you know what? WrestleMania will bring me there. WrestleMania brought Will K-Dy-Hard Cowboys fan

to Lincoln Financial Field. Let's go. I've never, it's funny. I've never watched the Cowboys play at the Link, and it's funny to think, now I've been to the Link, and it's in the safest possible environment I could go, which is a huge fight for WrestleMania.

If I go to a football game, my life will be in danger at the link. Yeah, okay, so you're right. Yeah, 145,000 people. So it set a record there. And, you know, it's really interesting because whether you are, like, there's a bigger story than this.

The fact that, like, The Rock and, you know, came back was a tremendous story there on the wrestling aspect, but also from a media standpoint, the WWE, coming off that massive Netflix deal where there, it's a $5 billion deal. deal with Netflix over the next 10 years. That just shows how big this sports entertainment and the world is getting. I mean, Netflix, of course, is king.

But when they're dropping $5 billion on a product, listen, it's not all just people doing choreograph moves and all that. There's a real push and power behind a force such at WWE right now. So the choreograph thing, by the way, I don't care. And I get it because I did care. It's ridiculous the moves they're doing and the athleticism. and how they're not hurt more seriously. I mean, it really is ridiculous,

because we're talking about 260-pound men flying 15 feet off the ground onto, not concrete, but pretty hard surfaces. But here's my thing, real quick. You said it's an escape, and it is an escape. But, you know, I overthink things. But I don't think I'm overthinking it because I think everybody's thinking this.

It is such a proxy for reality or for America. So I was watching it, and first of all, right when Drew McIntyre, and he's gigantic, comes out. And then, you know, there's a lot of guys after him that also do this. You're like, that's a real-life superhero. Like, just his body, how big he is. You're like, that's what they do in movies to make, you know, Robert Downey Jr.

Yeah, like they're like the adventures. Look like a superhero. But this guy's body is, so it becomes real-life superheroes. And then the characters, like when Cody Rhodes comes out, you know, American nightmare and everything's America themed. By the way, the minute that happened, I'm like, he's winning. I mean, we kind of knew that would happen anyway. but like, this is a moment for America, you know?

And I don't know. I just think it's like distilled down into so many of these proxies for values. And like he said, good guy, bad guy, America. And by the way, on my hour-long conversation with The Rock, he and I talked about this. An old guy, not he wasn't old, but a couple years ago when I was working with a guy at ESPN and they did storytelling at E60, he said to me, heroes are uninteresting, villains are interested. interesting. Luke Skywalker is boring. Darth Vader is compelling. And he said, Steph Curry is boring. Draymond Green is interesting. And he's right. Like there's layers to villains. And you know, here's the rock now. He's a villain. And it's, I don't know, there's just so much

deeper in everything that looks like cartoonish showmanship. There's more going on, I think, when you pay attention to WW. The writers can't, the writers and we just want to be able to feel something. And to be able to do that as a wrestler, it's a sign of a great wrestler. You want to be able to draw in, whether it's the casual or the or the diehard fan out there. And these are the best of the best. You're talking to WrestleMania 40. So to get to this level, there's millions of wrestlers all across the vote. So to get here, you are talking about the best, the best that are perfect at their craft. But like you said about the whole, you know, bringing in, people just want to be able to feel something. And whether it's like Sergeant Slaughter versus the Iron Sheek back in the

day. Remember like they like and how it was like we were so pro sergeant slaughter and just like pro America and that brought in like real life real life storylines into the world of sports entertainment. And what's great about this is whether in real life perhaps things might not turn out the way they do, you know in the long run a person like Cody Rhodes who continually kept losing and kept having his opportunities taken away from him was able to defeat the villain him the rock and it feels good with something like that happens because you know from just watching and storyline and being invested in it man totally yeah it's great let's and the fact that yeah the rock came back for those that don't know the rock hasn't wrestled in forever i mean the rock is the rock

he's 51 years old you had that great interview with them made a ton of headlines by the way congrats on that you were the only one to ask them those questions so i got to give my man will cane props here because you had the uh the cohones to do it my man and that's what we come to expect for me very cool stuff there but the rock wasn't going to come back to wrestling and not just be a celebrity but actually wrestle unless it was worth it and that just shows how much how well wrestling is doing right now and it's only going to get bigger it's only going to continue it does feel international push and all that it's only going to get bigger it does feel like like it's on a huge upswing right And, I mean, I think it was illustrated last night by the main event where John Cena's a huge star.

He basically played a cameo last night. And he was awesome when he comes out. You know, The Undertaker, the Rock. I mean, incredible, like, there was a guy in front of me who was clearly a big wrestling fan. And I heard him say at some point during that fight, he goes, this is the best WrestleMania ever. And then by the end of the fight, he goes, this is the best event I've ever been to ever. So I don't know what he was including there, like Super Bowls or football or basketball. I don't know what he was talking about, but he was blown away.

As was I. It lived up to expectations. And by the way, we got to find out now if the eclipse is going to live up to expectation. So we got to head outside here in a moment, gun. So check out the gun show at Outkick. You know what? It probably won't live up to expectations like the Rock did. I can tell you that much.

But hey, you never know unless you know, like Will Kane going to a wrestling event. That was a huge wrestling fan. Next time they're at Madison Square Garden, me and you, my man. We're going. We're going to party. Drink's on me, Will Kane. Let's go, baby. We'll get T-shirts. We'll rock and roll. We'll chant. We'll do it all, my man. Let's go. Will Kaye, right? His own promo right there. Check out the gun show, by the way, at Outkick.

All right. Thank you, Mike, so much. Appreciate you. All right. Well, I mean, maybe the eclipse will live up expectations. Maybe it won't. Maybe it's the beginning of the end. Let's go find out. Let's go outside. Get ready for the total eclipse of the sun. Remember, go check out my hour-long interview with The Rock. YouTube, hit subscribe while you're there. Look, everybody's paintings out. We've done that with Stephen A. Smith.

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