Will Cain Country - Fallout From Vice President Harris' COMBATIVE Interview w/ Bret Baier! Plus, David Marcus & Maha Abouelenein

Episode Date: October 17, 2024

Story #1: What will be the fallout from Vice President Kamala Harris' interview with FOX News Chief Political Anchor Bret Baier? How did it go? Will it change the course of the election? Will breaks it down. Story #2: Is it enough to simply build your brand and reputation, or do you need to be your biggest promoter? A conversation with the author of the new book, 7 Rules of Self-Reliance, Maha Abouelenein. Story #3: On The Road w/ FOX News Columnist David Marcus. David joins the show live from Virginia to tell you how things look on the ground in the South, in the critical swing states of Virginia and North Carolina. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One who won, who lost, was Kamala Harris destroyed, was Brett Bayer testy? In the first, the first real confrontational interview for the Democratic candidate for president, we break down Brett Bayer versus Kamala Harris. Two, seven rules for self-reliance. Is it enough to simply build your brand? Maybe a better way of putting that is, is it enough to build your reputation? Or do you have to also be your biggest promoter? And three, on the road in North Carolina, checking in with the voter, in the swing state.

Where are we? With less than three weeks to the race for president. It is the world. Will Cain Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Always on demand if you're listening on Terrestrial Radio by heading over to Spotify or Apple and hitting subscribe. That way you can listen to the Willcane show whenever and however you like. You can also become a member of our community, the Williscia. And the easiest way to do so is if you're watching the live stream, as you should, every Monday through Thursday,

live at 12 o'clock Eastern Time at Fox News.com or the Fox News YouTube page or the Fox News Facebook page is to subscribe to the Will Cain Show on YouTube. There's a little button underneath the text description of this live stream and then jump into the comments and we'll bring you right here on air into the Willcane show. If I asked you, boys in New York, Williscia, if I asked you, hey, what do you want to do in Dallas? You're a tourist. You have come to visit me as I had house guests for the last three days. If I asked you, hey, what do you want to do in Dallas?

what would not necessarily be your top choice, but what do you think would definitely make top three? Cowboys game. Yeah, any major sports team. Yeah, that's top of mind. I don't know anything else about Dallas, to be honest. Golf? Want to play the coolest golf course there.

What kind of chain restaurants do you have? I think all of those. We got a P.F. Chang for you, Tinfoil, Pat. I think that's exactly what most people's answer would be. Go see the Cowboys game. has become synonymous with sports and become synonymous, most notably, of course, with the Dallas Cowboys. But having house guests is not the kind of city where you say, hey, you want to go to the beach

or do you want to go to this tourist attraction. But I'm going to give you one more shot. If I said, other than sports, is there anything that hits your mind? Did you say, hey, let's do this in Dallas? Riding horses, I think. That would be cool, like on a ranch. Go shooting. Okay.

Okay. Yeah, well, the good thing about your answers is I do think about those. things when we have visitors. But that means leaving Dallas. That's like getting an hour out. That's like going more toward my hometown, Sherman. And that's a good day of it. So thinking of something to entertain you perhaps for a few hours, this is what hit my mind. And this is what I did yesterday for the first time, having grown up an hour outside of Dallas and lived back in Dallas now for about five years. And that is the sixth floor museum. Could I interest you in Dealey Plaza? Could I interest you in the six-floor museum, the school book

Depository? I didn't even think about that. Could I interest you in the JFK assassination? I was a Kennedy lover. I would be all over that. Yeah, heck yeah, I'm in. I want to see the sewer system. Right? It's a sewer system?

Oh, my God. Is this where the shooter on the grassy knoll escaped to? He escaped into the sewer system. My pastor's wife is from Dallas, and she always talks about going to visit there. But when I mention anything in terms of like maybe Lee Harvey didn't act alone. She was not happy.

Here's my takeaway from visiting the sixth floor museum. I've read. I most recently read Killing Kennedy by Bill O'Reilly. I have a base of knowledge that means when you go to a museum and you read the placards, there wasn't a lot more for me to learn. So the best thing that I experienced was the context, the physical context of the environment. And I think that is pretty cool. Dealey Plaza is still a part.

part of downtown Dallas, meaning I drive through Dealey Plaza often on my, for example, Fox News is studio in Dallas, is downtown in Dallas on my way home. I literally drive over the X marks the spot that marks where JFK was killed. But I've never gotten out of the car. I've never wandered around the grassy knoll. I've never gone to the sixth floor of the schoolbook depository. So I did so. And my biggest takeaway is twofold. I don't know. I think in the end, Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone shooter of JFK. I think when you're sitting there in the window and you're looking at the shot that he took, it's like many people said with Donald Trump and Butler, Pennsylvania, it's not a difficult shot. It's actually a fairly easy shot. It's not

far. It's 100, 150 yards, 125 yards. It's a shot going away from you, which gives you multiple opportunities to you know slightly adjust your your bearings and the biggest thing to wrap your mind around is three shots in a little under six seconds on a bolt action rifle that's more difficult to comprehend but i don't think impossible but as you take that's what i feel like i gathered from the physical context but i will say as you sit there and you read and you understand the biggest contributor to conspiracy is just all of the connections that seem implausible. Lee Harvey Oswald, having lived in the Soviet Union, his wife being the niece of a KGB agent, Jack Ruby's connections to organize crime in New Orleans, in Tampa Bay, and Chicago,

and to some extent Dallas, you know, it's just too many coincidences and connections to just close your mind and say, it's simple, Lee Harvey Oswald on the sixth floor of the schoolbook depository. Although I think it is Lee R.V. Oswald, it's the backstory that I'm interested in. How did he get put in this position? How was he groomed? Was he pro Castro? Was he anti-Castro? You know, there's just too many weird situations that, yes, points you to organized crime, points you to the Soviet Union, points you to the intelligence apparatus of the United States. And the long and short of it is, I believe, I don't know where we stand today, but at one point in the 1970s, 80% of Americans believed there was something more to the story than simply

Lee Harvey Oswald on the sixth floor. I think that dip to 70. I don't know where we are today, but I'll just take a quick poll here on the Will Kane show. One at a time, do you think there's more to the story? Let's get it just out of the way, tinfoil pat, give us your yes. Yeah, obviously. All right. James, you think there's more than Lee Harvey Oswald on the sixth floor. 100%. Dan, what do you think? Occam's Razor, Lee Harvey Oswald, so no.

Occam's Razor is not to be dismissed. It is not. Most of the time, the simplest explanation is the explanation. And conspiracies, Patrick can't ever wrap his mind around this. Conspiracies are not conspiracies because the world is not run by geniuses. The world is largely run by idiots. And idiots cannot keep their mouths shut. The biggest problem with every conspiracy is loose lips, sink ships, and the world is full of loose-lipped idiots.

And so not genius masterminds that can run conspiracies. I don't dismiss you, Dan, with Occam's Razor. Our chat is blowing up right now with yeses. Like, every thing is yes. We should have made that the title. That's the people going. Everyone's saying it. Well, count me among, count me, I don't know that I'm a full yes, but I'm a probable.

So three out of four of us think there's something. more than Occam's Razor, something more than simply Lee Harvey Oswald on the sixth floor. But there was no conspiracy yesterday. There was only a confrontational interview, the first of its kind, between Kamala Harris and Fox News, Brett Baer. Let's break it down now with story number one. An interview like this immediately shoves everyone into their corners, and it makes me skeptical. It just makes me skeptical on my ability to, ascertain and to share with you the truth. What I mean by that is real time during the interview.

If I did, and of course I did open up X, my stream was flooded with, this is the end. This is the end of the race for president. She's come undone. Kamala Harris, destroyed on Fox. By the time that I woke up this morning, I would say the usual suspects, which would include the Obama bros, you know, like Favros and pluffs, had all said that she conducted herself incredibly. It also was joined by now, I guess, an ancillary member of the Obama bros. Maybe he's the first of the Harris bros, Mark Cuban, Dallasite, Mark Cuban, saying that not only was she incredible, it was something that could never have been pulled off by Donald Trump.

And I'm turned off. I'm turned off by anyone's interest in the truth. So I could come here today and tell you, I thought, Kamala Harris was terrible. I thought Kamala Harris got destroyed. But I don't increasingly think that's of value to you, the viewer, and you, the listener. You're going to hear that wherever you want. And I know that there's an audience that wants to hear that today.

I feel very confident you will have that appetite satiated from dozens of outlets. What I would rather do today is try to break it down together and see if we can actually play-by-play style, understand who wants. one, Brett Beyer versus Kamala Harris. First, in order to understand how you win a game, you'd establish the goals of the game, obviously in any kind of sporting environments, to score more points. What were the goals of Brett Beyer and Kamala Harris?

Let's start with Brett Bayer. Brett Bayer's goal, quite clearly, was to challenge Kamala Harris. He had a multitude of reasons for wanting to challenge Kamala Harris. First was the fact that she'd really only exposed herself to friendly media environments from the view to call her daddy.

She had not been in a challenging environment. Anybody running for president should place themselves in a challenging environment. Not only because you have questions to answer for the American Electric, because actually being president of the United States is a challenging environment. So that's a goal for Brett Baer. I think that Brett Bayer also, if we're being honest, and I know Brett a little, and I think I would probably have this discussion with him, wanted to prove that, you know, he doesn't.

doesn't have to prove that he's a great journalist because Brett Bayer is a great journalist, but I do think he wanted to prove that he would challenge Kamala Harris. He was challenged by Donald Trump. Donald Trump took the truth social and said, this would be friendly for Kamala Harris. And I don't think that makes anybody feel good. And then I think that, of course, you don't want to react to the reaction, but I bet if he were being honest, Brett would say, yeah, I want to show, I'm not soft. I want to challenge Kamala Harris.

And he did. And then finally is his third goal. which is the journalistic integrity, which I do think Brett Bayer embodies, which is this person deserves to be challenged, not just because they're running for president and not just because you've been challenged by her opponent, Donald Trump, but because this person has run a presidency with what appears to be a goal of as best as possible remaining a joyful blank slate, having this election be a referendum on Donald Trump. Everybody should only think about Donald Trump. I went to dinner last night with a whole bunch of people that I would say, I don't

actually know. I think the majority were center right. And the conversation at dinner was dominated by one name, Donald Trump. I was a little taken aback by that. There wasn't much discussion of Kamala Harris. And that's the way that the American mind has been for a decade. And Kamala Harris is very happy with that. But that's not how we should elect the president. It shouldn't be with a focus on only one of the candidates, with the other candidate skating underneath the radar. And if we add to that that she's tried to be a blank slate, she's done so by dispossessing herself of prior positions.

From Medicaid for All to illegal immigration to crime, Kamala Harris has pivoted dramatically away from the person she was in 2019, or seemingly at various times, the person that she's been for the past three and a half years as vice president. And those inconsistencies deserve a challenge. So for all those motivations, I think that the goal was clear for Brett Bayer, challenge Kamala Harris. The goal for Kamala Harris in this interview was to first talk only about Donald Trump, only about Donald Trump, every answer pivoting back to Donald Trump. Again, she wants this to be a referendum on Donald Trump. So she's going to use this opportunity and this time on Fox to not just talk about Trump, but secondarily now, to try to woo hesitant voters for Trump, whoever that might be.

Obviously, we're not talking about someone who attends a rally for Donald Trump, but we're talking about maybe even some of the people I had dinner with last night, a hesitant center right, turned off by his personality, voter for Trump. see if she can speak to them and woo them over. Finally, her goal, most notably, was to avoid minefields, to avoid having to do the exact things that were the goals of Brett Baer. Talk about her inconsistencies. Give specifics on problems of the past three and a half years. Answer for her past policies. Her goal was to Bob and weave, full sugar Ray Leonard,

from ever addressing anything that could be a minefield. There are the two goals. of the two camps going into the interview. Now we can go play by play and say, who accomplished their goal. This tension, this antagonism was on display from the very first question of the interview. I thought this set the tone.

I thought this was actually the moment of the debate. Brett Beyer's first question to Kamala Harris on illegal immigration. How many illegal immigrants would you estimate your administration has released into the country over the last three and a half years well I'm glad you raised the issue of

immigration because I agree with you it is a topic of discussion that people want to rightly have and you know what I'm going to talk about yeah but you're just a number do you think it's 1 million 3 million Brett let's just get to the point okay the point is

that we have a broken immigration system that needs to be repaired so your Homeland Security Secretary said that 85% of apprehensions. I'm not finished. We have a, we have an immigration system. It's a rough estimate of six million people have been released into the country. All right.

Brett Bayer begins the interview by asking Kamala Harris appointed and specific question. How many people do you think have been released, released into this country illegally over the past three and a half years? The answer, as you can hear buried in the cross talk, is six million. now Kamala Harris does something and this is what I wanted to walk through with you today so that I think we can all watch an interview understanding their goals and then therefore

seeing it played out seeing the tactics so Kamala Harris doesn't want to answer that question of course that's a terrible answer 6 million she probably knows that that's the answer 6 million so what does she do she evades now she's sugar Ray

Leonard she's bobbing and weaving and she is somewhat skilled here's the tactic that she uses she goes to the math Brett, I'm glad that you bring up the topic of illegal immigration. Now she's moved it away from the specific and gone to the umbrella topic. Seemingly, for those who aren't paying attention, on topic. But you're not on topic if you are constantly going thematic or with the umbrella topic. Brett doesn't let it go.

He keeps pressing. And then she admits, you know where I want to go with this. Now she is pivoting to the talking point. she wants to go to the talking point of the bipartisan border bill that she says Donald Trump tanked in order to keep this an election issue and not an issue solved by the American people. Brett doesn't let that go and he does a good job. Of course, as every media outlet's saying today, it gets testy. I don't know how that talking point went out, but if you Google the interview,

MSN, MSNBC, CNN, New York Times, they all have used the adjective today, testy. Because here's the substance of the question. Yes, you could have a conversation about a bipartisan border bill. Interestingly enough, that has been a topic of discussion for three decades, okay? But that seems the most important issue for her today. Why? Because Democrats believe that a border security bill and a pathway to citizenship have to be tied together in a beautiful little package. They won't address these two issues separately. And one would think as the metaphor often goes, if your bathtub is overflowing, you turn off the faucet before you start mopping up the floor. Pathway to citizenship is mopping up the floor. Turning off

the faucet is securing the border. Start with turning off the faucet, move to mopping the floor. You don't say, I'm not going to turn off the faucet until you bring in the mop. But that's the debate we've had for three decades, okay? And that's why it's kept it mired in zero progress. What wants to talk about is the fact that the Obama, I mean, the Biden-Harris administration rescinded 90 executive orders, including stay in Mexico, that thus led to six million illegal immigrants entering the country. She doesn't want to address that. She's a, she is attempting to confuse the timeline for the listener. She talks about a bill they introduced at the beginning when they came in, but that didn't have supportive Democrats, so that didn't go anywhere. And a bill they

introduced at the end bipartisan border bill that was opposed by many Republicans. Now, in between, Brett wants to talk about all the executive orders that allowed these numbers to explode. She doesn't want anything to do with that. So she goes with theme, pivot, Bob, weave, evade, and ultimately filibuster. I want to talk about filibuster. The word filibuster, of course, beyond the governmental terms means talk, talk, talk, and talk some more. And use your answer to ensure that you don't get any more questions. It is perhaps the most tried and true technique of every politician. And Brett, after the interview, talked about this as he broke down his own conversation with

Kamala Harris. Watch. You know, when the kicker in football, they call a timeout right before he's going to kick the field goal. They're icing the kicker. So we were supposed to start at 5 p.m. This was the time they gave us. Originally, we were going to do 25 or 30 minutes. They came in and said, well, maybe 20, so it was already getting whittled down.

And then the vice president showed up about 515. We were pushing the envelope to be able to turn it around for the top of the 6 o'clock. So that's how it started. And I could tell when we started talking that she was going to be tough to, you know, redirect without me trying to interrupt. All right, so look at the power moves here. Honestly, in my estimation, truly, if I were sitting down, look at the disrespect. You show up to an interview. First of all, you give a specific finite period of time, 25 to 30 minutes.

And I've had this happen. And then before you know it, as you're sitting down, they've whittled it down. Actually, we're only going to be able to go about 20 minutes. And then they show up 15 minutes late. And then the answers are long and winding, indirect, not answering the question, and filibuster. and the whole thing is to avoid any real substance in the interview. Quite honestly, it's ruining the interview. It's absolutely ruining the interview.

And you as the interviewer have a choice to make. Do I come off as testy? Do I come off? Because it's, look, you run the risk of being the bad guy and creating a sympathetic opponent who ends up the good guy if you interrupt. It's just a fact, okay? I know this, I've done this long enough.

If I had a guess right now and I were doing it, you would be turned off by me doing so. That's a tough position for Brett Bayer to be in, but I think it goes in line with what we're trying to assess here. What were the goals of Kamala Harris? What goals were to share as little as possible. But even in that finite amount of time, she managed to lose some composure in what was the angriest moment of the interview.

Watch. We talked about locking people up because they disagree with him. This is a democracy. And in a democracy, the president of the United States, in the United States of America, should be willing to be able to handle criticism without saying he'd lock people up for doing it. There you go. She was passionate. She was angry about Donald Trump referencing the enemy within. And when I saw that anger and I saw that passion, I thought, wow, well, what warrants? that anger? What warrants that passion? What evidence is there? So, of course, social media does

its magic. You can see social media from the left or the right. So here's what the left is talking about. They're talking about a moment on Fox where Donald Trump says, I believe, to Maria Bartaromo, that we have a real problem with the enemy from within. Radical leftists, and they need to be handled and he says perhaps even you could do so by calling in the National Guard. Now that for Kamala Harris and me on the left is evidence that Donald Trump quote unquote will lock up his critics. That's what she says. Now at this point, I feel like I am listening to the boy who cried wolf. Now, why is that? Well, because I was told that Donald Trump called Nazis and white supremacist very fine people. Not true. I've seen the longer clip and he

specifically exempts Nazis and white supremacists says I'm not talking about them but rather people that point out maybe we shouldn't tear down all these statues I was told that Donald Trump will promise to bloodbath if he loses the election obviously imagery of violence but I've seen the full clip and I know that he's talking about an economic buddbath within specifically the auto industry if he loses I was told that Donald Trump wants people to vote one time and one time only as evidence that we only ever have to have one more election before he asserts authoritarian leadership. But again, I've seen the clip. I've heard him explain.

He's talking about, I'm talking to Christians and gun owners who have low turnouts of voting. And if there's ever been an election, it's important for them to vote, this is the one's important for them to vote. You see, if you're lied to over and over, if you're played the fool over and over, well, I'm not going to believe you when you say that you now have evidence that he's going to lock up his opponents. We had Matt Taibi on this show a little bit earlier this week, former man from the left, perhaps still on the left, free speech advocate. He and I talked about this.

He said, the implication is he's talking about Antifa at these riots. He's talking about the violent rioters that we've seen from Portland to other protest and riots across the country. But I would just ask you to kind of lean on your common sense. Do you really think that Donald Trump wants to lock up Bill Maher? Do you think he's really going to round up Jin Saki and put her in Guantanamo Bay. I mean, seriously.

And if you think inside yourself, you're saying, well, Will, maybe you've got to listen to his words. I would say, you have four years of evidence. Four years. He has been president of the United States. So why? How is this passion? Is this anger warranted?

Finally, Brett pressed her on you're running a change candidacy, a joy candidacy. Your campaign theme is literally turning. the page. But haven't you been in power for three and a half years? Watch. More than 70% of people tell the country is on the wrong track. They say the country is on the wrong track. If it's on the wrong track, that track follows three and a half years of you being vice president and President Biden being president. That is what they're saying, 79% of them. Why are they saying that? If you're turning the page, you've been in office for

three and a half years. And Donald Trump has been running for office. But you've been the person holding the office, Madam Vice President. You and I both know what I'm talking about. You and I both know what I'm talking about. What are you talking about? What I'm talking about is that over the last decade, people have become, but listen, over the last decade, it is clear to me, and certainly the Republicans who are on stage with me, the former chief of staff to the president and Donald Trump, former defense secretaries, national security advisor, and his vice president, one that he is unfit to serve, that he is unstable, that he is dangerous, and that people are exhausted.

So turning the page means, I don't know, turning the page from the rhetoric of Donald Trump. Bear points out, you've been in office for three and a half years. direction of the country is headed the wrong way isn't that on the person holding office her response is don't trump's been running for office for 10 years democrats have held the presidency for 12 of the last 16 years guys come on 12 of the last 16 years and if we're going in the wrong direction is it because don't trump's been running for president for 10 years again at dinner last night i was challenged a little bit a lot of people came at me and they talked about extremes extremes everything's been driven by extremes i said i would just ask you this

How do you define extreme? Do you define it like Kamala Harris right there as rhetoric? There is no doubt. By the way, there's studies on this, that the left has pulled further left in policies. Meanwhile, Donald Trump has embraced tariffs, not the free trade Republican Party of George W. Bush. He's become dovish on war,

certainly not the neocons of the last half century of Republicans. He has been the most liberal president on or candidate on abortion, representing Republicans since the 1970s he is always as a person been open to gay marriage what is the extreme on substance

what is the extreme if the country is on the wrong track and your evidence is rhetoric is your campaign simply once again about mean tweets if I look at the two and their goals going in Brett Bayer certainly satisfied his goal

he challenged Kamala Harris Kamala Harris, I think, achieved at least some of her goals, which was to evade, to Bob, to weave, to reference Donald Trump. Now, does that all add up to a win? I guess in the end, that's up to America. Coming up to seven rules for self-reliance. Next on the Wilcane Show. I'm Janice Dean. Join me every Sunday as I focus on story.

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anywhere across this great country, over on Spotify or on Apple, and you can hang out with us whenever and however you like. Or join us every Monday through Thursday live right here on Facebook and YouTube. Joining us now is the author of a brand new book, Seven Rules for Self-Reliance.

Maha Abu Elan. How did I do, Maha? You did great. It's so good to see you, Will. Thank you for having me. Nice to see you. you. I'm going to be honest to you. I practiced your last name and I think I didn't even do it right. How about I'm going to try it one more time. You did. You're actually pretty well.

I did. Abu Elanane. Yeah, it's perfect. Yeah? Yeah. Nice job. Hard day. Adjusted to the hard day at the end instead of the soft day. Who is the author of a brand new book, seven rules for self-reliance. Maha comes to us, by the way, for what it's worth, from a friend of the program, Tony Robbins. I know that she's been as well with many other individuals, some of whom I'm also familiar and friends with like Gary Vaynerchuk. And she writes a lot after a long career in tech and public relations and marketing about, you know, how you can carve out your own career on your own terms, self-reliance.

And one of the things, Maha, that I've come away with that a question for you immediately was, I've seen you write about this, I've seen you talk about this with Gary Vee, and that is that personal branding, which is something that you're talking about, is a little bit of a dirty word and something that turns people off and that you should replace that with the term reputation. Yeah, because I feel like a lot of people hear the word personal brand, and they're like, I'm not a personal brand. I work at a company.

I'm an employee or I'm an entrepreneur. And they think of it of being a social media influencer. And I think your personal brand replace that word with reputation. You know, don't you care about your reputation? And so I feel like one of the rules of self-reliance is you should really invest in your reputation, invest in your name, in owning how you show up in the world. And I feel like a lot of people think they don't have control over that, but you can be intentional by how you treat people, what you say, what you share on social media, how you interact at work. That's the personal brand, i.e. reputation. I want people to get their head around. Well, that certainly speaks to me. I mean, personal branding, of course, feels.

Um, honestly, it feels slimy. It feels self-promotional. But for centuries, people have cared about their reputation. Everyone cares about their reputation. Because in rep, and here's the, the challenge for, for even for me, okay, my, and, and I don't think everybody listening or watching is involved in media. So, you know, I don't want to overly focus this on me, but maybe we can use me as a, as a proxy for others. is personal branding is something that feels like is reliant on self-promotion. It's constantly yelling, look at me, where a reputation is earned quietly over a lifetime. Yes, that's a great point. So, self-promote, like a lot of people think personal branding is about self-promotion.

I'm like, it's about idea promotion, and it's about thought leadership. So people who are doing personal branding wrong, who are like, hey, look at me. I know things boasting about their work, boasting about what they're achieving isn't adding value to anybody except themselves. So they need to take a step back and say, building a reputation like you said is quietly done. It's trusted relationships. It's bringing value to other people. It's, you know, creating opportunities to do something with good intention for somebody else. That's how you build a reputation is you do it over time and you do it consistently.

Well, let's talk about a couple of your seven rules. I want you to help me understand rule number one. Stay low, keep moving. Stay low, keep moving is a military term. Like, basically, you're crouching down on your stomach and you're on your arms and you're trying to keep stay low and keep moving so you don't get hit by fire. But I took it as a metaphor for life. Like, stay low.

Like, don't be up here talking and distracted by all the things around us. Social media is comparing us to other people. and it's hard to stay focused on your goals when you're listening to all the outside noise. So stay low is about putting in the hard work, putting your head down and moving forward because you're going to have setbacks. They're going to be economic downturns.

You might get fired from a job. You might have setbacks. Try to keep moving through those struggles and get to the next stage. So just to bring some bit of expertise to what Maha is talking about, she has been a communications, She's managed communications for a ton of major tech companies, including Google, Netflix, and many others.

You have one of your rules in here, which is be a long-term player. So I have a friend. I always like this metaphor, and he's always said, he's used it because I'm a sports guy. And, well, a lot of guys see things through the prism of sports. I love school. Hang around the hoop. You know, it's obviously a basketball metaphor. But the implication is don't take yourself out of it.

of the game. So many people around you, while it looks like they're succeeding on this way or that way, or they achieve short-term success. And I, as I've gotten older, and I'd like to think, at the very least, acquired life experience, maybe some wisdom, you are surprised. You're shocked by how many people blow themselves up in some way or another. And if you hang around the hoop, here comes opportunity. Yeah. So being a long-term player for me, Will, is all about putting deposits in other people's trust banks. We live in a time now where everyone wants to get something. You want to give to get something back. I'm saying do the opposite. Put a deposit in someone's trust bank. Bring value to them. Do it with good intention and do it over time. And being a long-term

players about building relationships and having your own networks. So I don't have to rely on other people's relationships if I need stuff. So hanging around the hoop is a great one because you need to always show up for people. You need to always be there consistently. And you can do small lifts or heavy lifts in the way that you support other people, but the point is if you want to build a strong reputation, if you want to build a strong network, you have to be a long-term player. Don't always put a deposit in someone's bank because you want to make a withdrawal. Maybe if you keep doing good deposits, you might get introduced to someone you wanted to meet. You might get a potential client. You might get an introduction for a business development purpose. That's what I'm trying to project here is like don't live on instant gratification and give and take. more than you can get because I feel like those deposits will pay off in the long run. You know, this combination of long-term value, long-term relationships, and your reputation reminds me of a lot of conversations I've had recently. So we have, we're friends here on the program with several guys who were Green Berets in the military. And Green Berets have a unique role

in the military, but it's real predicated upon relationship building in local communities. and again, I've managed to create relationships of some of these guys, and we've done some good, I'd like to think we've done some good work here in America in places like Maui, North Carolina, and you really learn the value of relationships. Like, life is a team sport, and relationships,

and I don't mean to make this, I've talked to my boys about this, like, you know, what's the point in college and what's the point? I always hated networking, Mahal, like I hated it. It felt slimy, it felt dirty, you know, but if we consider that life is about relationships, and you don't want to become transactional,

but those become real currency in your life. And maybe the way, what I'm hearing from you as well, is to foment those real relationships that doesn't feel slimy. You know, I hate the cocktail party with everybody with a name tag on their shirt, is to just give value away, constantly, give value way. And maybe karma comes back,

maybe opportunity comes back, but maybe it doesn't. Yeah, and that's a way that I want people to think. What if we worked in a world that we lived in a world where we believed in that and we actually executed on that. Like, relationships are the currency. Nobody gets anywhere they want in the world alone. And you need to build up those relationships by serving them.

Your network is not there for you to, for them, for you to ask favors from them for a job for your son or tickets to a game. You need to serve your network. You need to nurture your network. Be a super connector. Introduce them to other people. That's valuable currency. Like, I feel, especially in my career, my job is to know people.

And I try to find ways to add value to all of them because I know that that's a good move for my business, but also might help them with things they're trying to achieve. And I feel like people who invest in building proper relationships, either heavy lifts or low big lifts, it's going to matter. It makes such a difference in our world today. And I feel like when you're back is up at the guns of wall, if you're in a pandemic or if we're up and against any economic downturn or challenge that we're facing, you're going to need those relationships to help you get through that. here's a term you've used several times. It's central to what you're also telling us. Bring value. You know, on one hand, that seems intuitive,

but also don't want to take that for granted. What does that mean? Bring value to others. Yeah, I ask a simple question, how can I help? Because I want to find out what do you care about, Will. What are some of your pain points? What are some of your goals? What are some of your ambitions?

And then I try to figure out where can I add value in that. And something that is value, I need to know what's important to you, what's valuable to you, and then try to deliver against. that, not what's important to me. So you define what's value. It's valuable to meet somebody. It's value to discover a new country. It's valuable for you to get access to this information. So I try to figure out how I can add value to you. And a lot of things I've done in my career and I practice it in this book is like, if you get a chance to work for free for somebody to offer something just

for them to show them what you're capable of doing, you should do that. In life and rules and jobs, you either get a chance to learn or get a chance to earn. In some opportunities, you should try to add value to someone because you might get a chance to learn something from them, from their business, from how they operate, from that industry. And that's priceless. You can't put a value on that. You know, as I think about what you're saying, I think about my own career, that was certainly something I was, well, I still am. It was, it was crucial to my career. I can't tell you how many times I work for free or way under or way under, oh yeah. I mean, when I got into media, the first thing I did was stuff for national review for free.

And then what I asked them in exchange was, please introduce me to everybody you know in media, but I'll keep doing this for you for free. Then when I ended up on Fox, I mean, of course, I was doing it for free in the beginning, you know, until that led to a job at CNN, which led to a job at ESPN and so forth. My first job out of law school, I went and worked at newspapers. I made $19,000 a year. I was lost, I had a law degree, and I had passed the bar, and everybody else was making $100,000-something thousand.

made 19 because I wanted to learn that industry. So giving away something for free or cheap was something that I did consistently. But I do feel like something's changed. And I don't think it's just like, again, about me or my career or, you know, I think kids deal with this as well. I just feel like we've transitioned into the age of self-promotion. Like the more, and we can easily come up with the examples of people who have made themselves big successes by being good at marketing themselves on social media.

And to be honest, that's a real weakness for me. And I can shower myself in, I can shower myself in self-flattery of why, you know, personal care. I don't, I feel like a deba- I feel like a D-bag when I do it, whatever. But the truth is, it is a weakness for me and I see other people succeeding. Yeah, but not everybody needs to do it on social media. Building your personal brand, your reputation is not about being online. It's how you treat people offline. How do you treat your barista?

How do you treat your colleagues? How do you treat your employees? how do you treat your partners, that's a lot about who your personal brand and what your reputation looks like. And I do see your point of view. Like there are a lot of people that are out there doing self-promotions, just trying to get lead generation or get business. And people are not stupid. Internet is very transparent. Like we know what's happening. And we don't buy into that at all. And we understand the difference between someone out doing self-promotion. It's all about them versus someone who's trying to bring value to their audience or bring value and not just

shake them down every opportunity that they get. And I feel like I did, it actually is the biggest chapter in the book because I feel like people need to learn the importance of the reputation and how they conduct themselves in the world because because of social media, because other people are very loud at doing it, I can guarantee you that someone's doing it for you and it's not what you want. Finally, you have this rule, unlearn, relearn, invest in yourself. You know, I don't even know how to advise having two sons, you know, both, both teenagers. But I do know this. The days of working at one company for 50 years and getting the Gold Watch are long past.

Everybody knows that, right? And you're going to have to unlearn and relearn and reinvest in yourself. You know what I wonder, though, Maas, how many times? And by the way, when is it too late? And I know how you're going to answer that. I feel like I know how you're going to answer that question. But obviously it gets harder, the older you get. But like if you think about the lifespan, if we're going to live 80 years, I don't know where we are now.

If we're going to live 80 years and we're not going to work at one place for most of it, how many times are we going to have to reinvent ourselves and when's the last time we have to reinvent ourselves? My favorite topic. So I'm 54. I have had to reinvent myself several times, right? And I feel like we have access to information to learn things at any time. We are going to be living longer will. It's a fact of life. AI, we're healthier. We're learning about longevity. We're learning about all the things. we can do to stay stronger. You see somebody who's 70 years old, they look like they're 40, right? And we are going to live longer. So we need to sharpen our saw. We need to stay kind of in tune with what's happening in culture and in media and the markets because we will have

opportunities to do more than we've ever done before. The days are over of going to that one job and staying at companies. Careers are no longer linear. People want to fill their cups by doing other things, other hobbies, other interests, other side hustles. So I feel like now is a really good time to learn access to the internet is free podcasts are for free YouTube videos are for free learning from somebody is for free go out and grab it and I feel like it's an important rule that if you don't innovate you will die and you need to make sure that you're taking advantage of anything that you have access to and I think learning from people is an extraordinary way to get access to information I mean it's it's not just career it's life right that's what

life is, reinvention. That's what keeps you alive, literally. That will keep you alive. All right. The book is seven rules of self-reliance. It's Maha. Abuelanane. Yes. I think I did it pretty well. There are some names that are hard for me, and there's some that are easy. You got it. Yours is on the harder end. I'm giving myself a B. Honestly, I'm giving myself a B. But you can go to the bookstore and you can see seven rules for self-reliance right there.

Well, I think it out. You should give copies of this book to your sons. You think so? Okay. Yeah. Done. I've got it. I mean, I've written this book.

A lot of business leaders, entrepreneurs are reading it, but I feel like a lot of parents are like we need to make sure our kids know the value of being self-reliant because they have access to everything in a heartbeat. And so it builds that muscle for them. I'd love you to give it to them and tell me what they think. I will. I want them to be self-reliant. I'll do so.

It's been great to talk to you today. Thank you so much, Maha. Wonderful. Thank you, Will. Appreciate your time. All right. Seven rules for self-reliance. You can check her out, by the way, on X at M-A-H-A-G-A-B-E-R.

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Hey, how's it go, man? I'm sorry that the video's not working in my car. The upside is I can smoke. But, yeah, I'm about halfway between Durham, North Carolina, and Fredericksburg and Virginia, where I'm going to head next. And I had never been to Durham before, and I got to tell you, if Harris is going to win North Carolina, that's where she's going to win it. That is Kamala Harris country. I've never been in an American city of that scale where the footprint of big tech was so utterly obvious and just like everywhere.

It honestly felt like a mini San Francisco of the South. And the voters have the same sort of attitude. You know, these are fairly well-off people. There's not an economic crunch for them. You know, 15% of the people in Durham work for big tech. This is the same big tech that's trying to censor conservatives. You know, this is the same big tech that, you know, dampens anything that that that praises Trump online. And you can feel it, man.

This is, this is, I think this is the prototypical Kamala Harris Democrat. right you know i don't know what it's like when you drive around durham north carolina but um recently driving around in texas granted and albeit dallas i've been a little surprised at how many harris walt's signs i see in people's yards i've been discussing this with some friends lately i will still see trump vance signs but you certainly see a lot a lot of harris walt signs And I wonder a little bit, like, is it evidence of a groundswell of interest in Kamala Harris and Tim Walts? Or third time around, aren't you just less likely to put out a sign for Donald Trump? It feels like, you know, even if you're a supporter, it's like, look, I'm a Cowboys fan and I've been for my entire life.

I'm less likely than I used to be to wear a jersey, right? I just wonder, like, after a decade of, especially after last week, after a decade of support, if the signs are reflective of where the voters are or whether or not, you know, you'd be less likely at this point in the game to put out a sign for Trump. Yeah, you know, I don't know. I do see more Harris signs that I had seen earlier, but I mean, this is such a truncated campaign that I think it's hard to read sort of too much into. that. I think it's more a question of the area that you're in, right? So like when my son and I are driving around in West Virginia or Virginia or whatever, we play a little game, we're like, we'll guess like how many of you sign are we going to see? In northern Virginia, you see a lot more Harris-Walt

signs. In southern Virginia, you see a lot more Trump signs. The reason I'm back in Virginia is because I may be completely wrong, but I've been in Virginia a handful of times now over the past month and a half. I think Trump's got a shot in Virginia. I actually feel, I don't feel like he's more likely to win Virginia than North Carolina, but I feel worried about Harris's support in North Carolina. And I feel that in Virginia, especially with Glenn Yonkin's endorsement and especially with like so much of the culture war stuff that, that is, is more prevalent in Virginia. You know, the Wall Street Journal just had a piece that this trans stuff is actually starting to permeate.

That's not going to happen in Durham, right? Those people are all on board with, like, men and women's sports. Like, they don't care about that. In Virginia, they do. So, look, I think both teams are going to have to figure out where their voters are and make as big a push possible to get those places out to vote. One last thing, David. So you're taking in Virginia, you've taken in North Carolina.

I've seen some analysis so far that between in-person early voting, which has started in a few places, mail-in voting, that the numbers don't look that great for Democrats in terms of turnouts compared to past elections where Republicans do see some gains, although modest perhaps, some gains in the number of people who are showing up early or mailing in ballots. that would seem to be an undercurrent of a good sign for Donald Trump. I do wonder, though, I do wonder does that take away from what happens. There's been a big emphasis from Trump and from Republicans. Vote any way you can, right? Get out there. Vote early. Historically, Republicans have done very well on election day.

And then all the mail-in stuff comes trickling in, and then comes the swing to the Democrats. So is it sort of robbing from Peter to pay? Pay Paul. Like if we're getting all this mail-in voting, is it new voters or people that would have voted on Election Day? No, I don't think it is robbing Peter to pay Paul. And, you know, I think it was last week that we talked about the week before, I think, we talked about the ground game and my fears about how much better Democrats are at the ground game. As I was thinking about that as early voting was going on in North Carolina, it struck me that Democrats have always had that ground game advantage, in large part, just because they represent areas that are more densely popular. it's easier to like round people up and get them right right the extended early voting might actually be leveling that playing field a little bit because now the republican ground game doesn't have to try to cover 200 square miles in 12 hours right they can try to do that over two

or three weeks and i do now feel like that is starting to level the ground game out a little bit where in these rural and ex-urban districts, the local parties in the RNC are able to say, okay, this weekend we're going to focus on here, this weekend we're going to focus on here. And that's something that really wasn't available in the past. So look, I think Trump is absolutely right to encourage early voting. I don't think it takes away from anything on actual election day. And it is a good sign for Republicans that Republican voters are becoming more comfortable with that way of expressing their vote. And it looks like a little bit of an enthusiasm, which would be a real problem here,

enthusiasm problem for Kamala Harris. All right, David Marcus, in Virginia and North Carolina this week. Yeah, no, she has an enthusiasm problem. She absolutely has an enthusiasm problem. I meet the only people I meet who are enthusiastic about Harris tell me we need a woman. That's it, that's it. There's nothing else. So that is a problem for her.

All right, David Marcus, on the road. Virginia and North Carolina telling us what he's seeing there out there in the country. Thanks so much, David. Thanks, man. Have a good one. All right, you can check out David's reports. He's filing at Fox News.com as he's doing this across the country, going to states, talking to the people that matter, talking to voters, not just polls, not just betting markets,

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