Will Cain Country - FBI's Wray Testifies On Increased Threats To U.S. PLUS, OJ Simpson Dies At 76

Episode Date: April 11, 2024

Story #1: FBI Director Christopher Wray testifies in front of Congress on the increasing terror threat to the U.S. Also, Hall of Fame running back O.J. Simpson dead at the age of 76. Story #2: Dexter Reed shot 96 times by police officers, we discuss that story and more with author of the book ‘Black Victim to Black Victor’ Adam B. Coleman. Story #3: Will Caitlin Clark take the ratings with her from Women’s College Basketball to the WNBA?   Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Clark, take the ratings with her from women's college basketball to the WNBA. It is the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page, and always on demand at Apple or on Spotify. Just hit subscribe to listen to the podcast or watch the Will Kane show anytime you like in whole or in shorts and exclusive interviews in part by subscribing. to the Will Kane show, a button of which is right in the text description under this live stream. O.J. Simpson dead from cancer at the age of 76. He finally did it. O.J. Simpson caught the killer of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Perlman. After the famous murder trial in the 1990s,

in which O.J. Simpson was acquitted. He promised to spend every waking moment searching the golf courses of America for the perpetrator of that double murder. It took him some several decades, but it looks like cancer and O.J. finally found the killer. O.J. Simpson is a fascinating figure, at least for people, I think, my age, for Generation X. OJ. represents the beginning of America placing the character above the plot, of placing social justice above the facts, of placing race above justice. And it's an interesting position for O.J. Simpson because for older generations, OJ. Simpson represents not just one of the best running backs of all time in the NFL. But if you ever watched the ESPN huge documentary on OJ Simpson, what you also would understand is OJ Simpson actually, in the beginning, represented a post-racial America. There's fascinating moments that reveal the OJ of the 70s in the early 80s that OJ didn't

want to be, you know, the famous black athlete, the most famous black athlete in America. He didn't want to stand on a stage with Jim Brown and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and make a big point of social justice. But in doing so, maybe even pursuing selfish goals of capitalism, of making money, OJ broke barriers that just simply weren't broken before in America. He appeared in commercials for toothpaste. He appeared in commercials for Hertz Renekar. He was doing things. and shifting the culture in a way that did move America towards real justice, towards post-racial America, which makes it all the more ironic that come the 1990s, he represents, I think, the beginning of a shift, at least for Generation X, of seeing that justice is always put second

or often put second to race. What began with O.J. metastasized into Michael Brown. It metastasized into Jacob Blake. It metastasized into social justice and eventually DEI. It metastasized into identity politics and Black Lives Matter. OJ, of course, was happy to lean in to a jury and a civil. for that matter, a country that happily set aside justice. Ask anyone today. Ask Black Amera today. And they'll laugh about the idea that O.J. Simpson was innocent. But in the 1990s,

it divided us between black and white in the face of ridiculous facts. That, of course, everything pointed to OJ being guilty. But in the 1990s, that case was treated, if not in the media, in the jury box in the same way that we now treat ridiculous stories like the one floating around today about Dexter Reed. Dexter Reed, a man who was shot 96 times by police officers, and that's what the headlines will scream in the Washington Post at CNN. But they'll leave out the detail that first, the first shot that was fired was from Dexter Reed. We're going to talk about that a little bit later on the Will Kane show with the author of From Black Victim to Black Victor. It'll be a fascinating conversation.

And we will hope that somewhere in that conversation, somewhere in the context of the Will Kane show, we will find some solution to the increasing pessimistic direction of America. Yesterday here, by the way, Dr. Arthur Herman said that not only me, but my co-host on Fox and Friends Weekend represent real optimism for America. Or actually, he didn't say my co-host and Fox and Friends Week, and he said, I do, Will Kane. He said, Rachel Campos Duffy. And weirdly, he also said, this guy, who I think I know who he means, is a real hero for America. I think we're about to see the rise of the next great generation for America. It's taking place now. I think you're going to be part of that.

I think Phil Higgs-Seth is part of that next greatest generation. Phil Hegseth, part of the next great generation of heroes to save America. Now, little did Dr. Herman know that. There is a Phil Hegseth. It's not my Fox and Friends Weekend co-host. Of course, that is Pete Hegseth. But Pete has a brother named Phil, and we need to get him on the phone as soon as possible

and let him know that he represents real hope for America. Not his brother holding down the airwaves at Fox, but Phil, the brother of Pete, hero for America. All right, coming up today, you want to stick around because we're going to ask the question, does Caitlin Clark take the ratings with her from Women's College Basket? basketball to the WNBA. And again, we're going to talk to the author of From Black Victim to Black

Victor. But first, let's talk about whether or not, in just a matter of hours, FBI Director Christopher Ray is looking to save Americans or looking to save spying on Americans. Story number one. As mentioned, just here in a couple of hours, right here on this Fox News YouTube channel, you'll be able to stream the testimony of FBI director Christopher Ray, who will testify before Congress on the increasing threats to America. This testimony should bring together three stories. And by stories, what we often mean is symptoms of deeper problems in America. And these three stories, these three symptoms of problems in America collide with one another. We'll have us asking exactly what and how to address the threat to America.

three stories and symptoms all coming together with this testimony that you'll watch here shortly by Christopher Ray. There is a concerning amount of activity that is not just hidden inside of Intel reports, but that will spill across your news streams of antipathy, of hostility, of actually a threat you must take seriously that you would have previously heard from the streets of Tehran being yelled from the streets of Dearborn, Michigan. Watch this from last night

on Jesse Waters' prime time. Pro Hamas protesters chanted death to America at a Ramadan rally in Dearborn Michigan. Almondi, America. Almondi America. Not a great look. The mayor condemned it. The White House condemned it.

But what about Congresswoman Rashida Talib? She reps, Dearborn. Is she okay with her constituents chanting death to America? Fox business correspondent Hillary Vaughn asked her, watch. Congresswoman Talib? I don't talk to Fox News. At a rally in your district, people were chanting death to America. Do you condemn...

Do you condemn chance of death to America? I don't talk to people that use racist tropes. Death to America. Not going to condemn it. Congresswoman Rashida Taleb. That again is something you would hear from the streets of Tehran. But you hear it instead on the streets of Dearborn, Michigan. Now that represents a threat.

By the way, this issue is of course tied to the conflict in Israel and Gaza. We should make two points on this. First of all, this issue, Israel and Gaza, is tearing apart political constituencies on the left and on the right. We talk a lot about what's happening on the left. Joe Biden seems to be losing the Muslim American vote. You see people like Talib and others who can't simply condemn death to America. How does Joe Biden build a coalition? How does he get, although small, the important vote of Jewish Americans? But it's also having a similar effect on the right. You can feel this It's all over, for example, X. Israel and Gaza is absolutely tearing apart what was before reliable political constituencies. And the world isn't full of politics. The world should be full of ideas. But we can see right now there's a real strain on America over an issue happening in Israel. And that takes you to this, by the way.

There's new suggestions that Tehran, that Iran is looking to directly now launch an attack on Israel, not use proxies, but to launch attacks directly on Israel. As this ramps up, what I expect we will hear from Ray is that domestic terror threats under the banner of not hiding death to America represent here at home a threat to Americans. The second story that ties into this testimony is quite obvious and something we've talked about a lot. We on the right, we on Fox News, we on the Wilcane Show, and that is our poorest border. month after month we talk about the number of people on the terror watch list coming over our southern border it will if there is a sense of inevitability that all of this this

horrific treatment of the border by joe biden will lead to some security of risk right here in america this is at the core you have to enforce your border if you want to enforce your security and i expect that is something that we should hear today i would hope hope that we hear from FBI, FBI director Christopher Ray. But third is the issue that is also dividing the right. And this is the issue of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Is Christopher Ray testifying today because of real threats to Americans or that he is under threat of losing the ability to spy on Americans? The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, Section 702 in particular was designed to detect threats originating overseas,

foreign actors, connecting with domestic actors, to use electronic surveillance, digital surveillance, to identify these potential threats and stop them before they happen in Times Square or in Dearborn, Michigan. The problem is FISA has been abused. And every one of us know this. Although it wasn't under Section 702, according to most congressmen who have voted in favor of at least moving this bill down to the floor of the Congress for a vote, Carter Page, working for the Trump administration, was surveilled improperly, which has now been admitted, basically, with insufficient evidence under the banner of FISA to spy on Donald Trump's campaign. Of course, the ridiculous idea that he was coordinating with Russia to subvert American democracy. FISA has been abused to surveil Americans, and not just Americans who are somehow connected to Islamic radicals,

but Americans who now represent, according to the FBI, the biggest threat to the homeland, domestic terrorism, and MAGA. They've made that clear. They've testified before Congress. They've set their priorities. We see the FBI, and we have to listen to them. In the same way we listen to as an Islamic radical saying death to America, we listen to the FBI saying, you know who's the biggest threat to America? of the far right. And so if they're going to use that power, who are they going to use it against? It's not hard to connect the dots. It's not hard to look at history and say, Americans. Donald Trump posted on true social last night, kill FISA.

It's been used to spy on me and to spy on my campaign. It's also been used for that matter for anyone involved in January 6th. How can we trust the FBI? How can we trust FBI director Christopher Ray? even if we trust that there is, and this is the real catch-22, this is the real nexus of the problem, even if we trust the idea that our poorest southern border and increasing Islamic radicalism here at home does actually represent a threat that needs to be surveilled appropriately under FISA. There's so many people, it's just hard to find the right voices to trust.

I will tell you, Congressman Chip Roy, Congressman Thomas Massey, are some of the voices that I'm interested. voted separately. This is a rules procedure vote just yesterday on FISA. Roy voted against Massey voted four. They both have made their position clear. You want to surveil Americans? Get a warrant. Why did they vote separately? Well, that's kind of boring and it's procedural, and Massey suggests it needs to go to the floor in order to get amendments to put protections in against Americans. They want to protect Americans. Massey tweeted out a thread that I think is fascinating. He said many people have been misled. This is not a vote on. FISA. This is a partisan procedural vote. Democrats always vote no, they did, and 19 Republicans

voted with the Democrats to stop this from coming to the floor, including the warrant amendment to FISA. Many of us who are adamantly opposed to warrantless surveillance voted for the resolution, wanting to get recorded votes on warrants, and recognizing the speaker can otherwise suspend rules and bring anything to the floor without a resolution, like he did to the omnibus. tactically whether not the 19 did the best thing is to be determined they may have just stopped our only chance to have a vote on whether the government needs a warrant

to spy on you. That vote might not have passed but everyone would have had to go on the record to see. So in other words we will see Democrats, Republicans who don't believe you have to get a warrant to spy on Americans. I believe that Thomas Massey is a trusted

voice on privacy, a trusted voice on freedom. I would love to have Congress and Massey jump on this program anytime to shed light, or for that matter, Congressman Chiproy, where they may disagree, and to shed light on something I think is very complicated, because we do need to balance what is obviously a growing terrorist threat here at home with dealing with two agencies in the DOJ and the FBI that have earned our distrust. And instead of using those powers to keep us safe, have used those powers to spy on Americans. I would rather hear from Massey and Roy than I would from someone like Congresswoman. Sheila Jackson Lee, you got, did you see the video of Sheila Jackson Lee, Congresswoman from Houston, Texas trying to put on her eclipse glasses? She was completely defeated by the glass. Couldn't get them on straight. But that wasn't even the most embarrassing part. Listen to her describing the eclipse and the moon. Sometimes you need to take the opportunity just to come out

and see a full moon is that complete rounded circle, which is made up mostly of gases. and that's why the question the question is why or how could we as humans live on the moon are the gases such that we could do that the sun is a mighty powerful heat that it's almost impossible to go near the sun so first of all the moon is not made of gases it's made of metals and rock uh the sun is made of gases she's tweeted out saying Republicans are jumping all over me. I clearly meant sun, not moon, when I was talking about some of the gases. But wait a minute, Congresswoman, are you saying that we could live on the sun?

This is the quality of people deciding whether or not there are real threats to Americans and the ones deciding whether or not the DOJ and the FBI should have the power to spy on Americans. This represents a threat to America. Let's talk about Dexter Reed. O.J. Simpson, for that matter, and the overarching way to take the black community in America from victimhood to Victor with the author of From Black Victor to Black Victor to Black Victim to Black Victim to Black victim to Black Victor, Adam Coleman. Next on the Will Kane show. Stop. Do you know how fast you were going? I'm going to have to write you a ticket to my new movie, The Naked Gun. Liam Nissan. Buy your tickets now. I get a free Tilly Dog. Chili Dog, not included.

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Good. So I was told that you've been hanging out here through the beginning of the show. You heard what I had to say about O.J. Simpson or Sheila Jackson, Lee, for that matter, or FISA. I'm just curious if you had any reaction after listening to me there for a couple minutes. I always love to hear if anyone has a reaction or a disagreement with what I had to say. Well, interesting enough, just before I jumped on here, the New York Post asked me to write a piece about O.J. Simpson in his life. So I'll give my quick take on it. I think O.J. Simpson is the American fall from grace.

someone who, like you said, signified a seemingly post-racial society, a society that was trying to move past the superficial. And O.J. Simpson, I think, genuinely wanted that. He didn't want to be seen as just a black man. He also didn't necessarily ignore that he was black, but he just didn't want that to be the focal point of his life. And he wanted to be adored by everybody. And for someone like him who was, and I guess I, underestimated because of my age, he was extremely popular and very well known. And for someone who's basically on the top of the mountain to fall so far down due to his own actions because he did kill them, I think is an American tragedy. And I think that situation sparked, you know, what we see now is the media harping over every.

prime situation, you know, the flourishing of in-court cameras and things of that nature. And I think we, I think that court case in that entire situation and the lives loss was overall a tragedy, not just for him, but for the entire country. Race became a motivating factor to cover any new story. Race became the driving force for political movements. Race became everything whenever it was necessary. It's interesting you talk about OJ, and as I did at the beginning of the show, going from this guy who didn't want to be seen as primarily black. I don't think he rejected his racial identity,

but he didn't want to use it as his primary identity to then, through his court case, leaning into it for the benefits of victimhood. Instead of Nicole Brown Simpson or Ron Perlman, being the victims in the case, it became O.J. Simpson, the victim of racism in the LAPD. And what's interesting about that is not so much O.J. Simpson, because, you know, look, every human being is selfish to some degree. And if you're on trial for murder, you're going to play any card you can get to get off, right? But what began with OJ began as societal, really a Trump card in anything of a victimhood. And I know that's what you've written about. And look, I think

psychologically Adam, victimhood is a cancer. Like anybody that takes the pill or any community that takes the pill, you've begun your slow demise. You've begun your own death. But what we saw after OJ was it wasn't just the defendant that takes on the cloak of victimhood, but the community behind the whatever, the perpetrator or the center of the story. And so it wasn't so much, oh, Michael Brown's a victim. It's like Black America is the victim in every single one of these stories. Right. And the one thing about the court case was that what they were trying to do was prove a conspiracy, right, or at least present reasonable doubt about his involvement because they're potentially being some sort of conspiracy revolving around the LAPD. However, conspiracies

don't work if there isn't a grain of truth. And that's the unfortunate part. There is a grain of truth as far as the unfair treatment that the LAPD showed towards black Americans within LAPD, right? And that led to all different types of reforms. I think there's an acknowledgement by the LAPD that there were things that they were doing that were wrong. But it's the exploitation of it, right? It's the exaggeration of it that becomes the conspiracy. And that's what I think we saw from this particular court case was that, yes, you know, the Rodney King situation, should those cops have been found guilty? Many people say yes.

And so that type of animosity that built from that situation where they felt that justice wasn't served turned into animosity, turned into a conspiracy, turned into, well, every situation involving the LAPD must be corrupt, rather than saying that there are corrupt aspects of the LAPD, but it does not mean that OJ Simpson did not kill Nicole Brown Simpson. And forgive me, I forget the other gentleman's name. Ron Perlman. Right. Right. So, you know, I think that is, that's the problem that we're facing here. We have a lot of conspiracy theorists who are exploiting real pain, real issues, real suffering, and exaggerating it and using it for their particular cause so they can avoid accountability. Well, and then what you see, and you fast forward 30 years, it's not just used in one court case, one court of law, but it becomes,

the same exact narrative towards America, right? So is there a grain of truth? Yeah, there's more than a grain of truth that America has a really sorted history with race. But does that allow you to paint everything in America is systemically racist in every situation as the product of racism? And so we have gone from simply saying, you know, OJ is innocent because the LAPD, there's a kernel of truth that the LAPD is imperfect or exhibits racism, to we've gone to, you know, black victimhood in all situations because America is is systemically racist. Right. That's the exaggeration piece. And when it comes to like a legit, I know we say conspiracy theorists and for anything and everything these days, but when I mean it in a genuine

sense of like paranoia, right, and that's what I see often. It's that leap to paranoia, that someone is always out to get us, right? And I'll speak for myself. You know, there was a period of time when it felt like, and this was years ago, but I remember hearing news story after news story of a black person shot by the police. And I remember I got pulled over around that time. And I remember shaking, even though I don't do drugs, I don't have any guns. I'm not doing anything illegal. I probably was just speeding a little bit like most people do. But I remember shaking and why.

And it's because the propaganda makes you paranoid. And that's what we really saw. And so that grain of truth just explodes into paranoia, and you end up living your life on the edge, worrying that you're going to be the next George Floyd, worrying that you're going to be the next victim of some sort of heinous act, when the reality is it's extremely rare. And see, that's the other end of it.

When we're so paranoid that we can't recognize the progress, then we live these miserable lives in America, not realizing how good things are. And I think for me, what I'm trying to point out for a lot of people, whether they're black, white, or any other race, is that life is difficult. There are always going to be issues. There are always going to be problems.

But what's amazing about our country is that there is grace. What is amazing about our country is that we have progressed. And I don't think we should ignore the progress. Just like focusing on the progress doesn't mean you ignore injustice, right? They're not mutually exclusive. So we should be able to talk about both. If there is a legitimate situation where a black person is mistreated, then we can talk about that. We can talk about it in a rational way, but we can also acknowledge that life has gotten much better for people who look like me. I want to get into your book in just a moment, Adam Coleman, the author of

from black victim to black victor here on the Will Cane Show. I need to make a quick correction. Just something when it came out of my mouth, and I realized it's come out of my mouth twice in the course of this show, said Ron Perlman. He's a far-left actor. It's Ron Goldman. And my apologies for getting the second victim in the O.J. Simpson murder's name wrong. It's Ron Goldman. You know, again, I want to get into the substance of your book, which I find fascinating. I want to make two quick points. I want to get your reaction to it. Just two things that are kind of on my mind. Um, sure. One of the things is whenever you have this conversation at him, I think that, and I, you know, I used to be on ESPN and I will say that I used to have a bigger audience of, of black listeners and I enjoyed that back and forth that I don't, you know, there, I know there are black people watching the Will Kane show and I know that because I hear from you. But even those more that disagreed with me is when I go down these conversations, I'm often met with why do you deny the existence of racism? And that's not what I'm doing. Okay. So, but so, so I'm want to make two statements or two observations and get your reaction. One is the constant perception, or as you described it, paranoia, that everything is racist, absolves people of their own personality. In other words, you know, you go through the world, right? And look,

there are and there are polite people. There are people with bad personalities and people that are nice with good personalities. And if everything about you that is met with negativity you think is because someone else's racism, then you never have to ask yourself, hey, wonder if I was being a . From polite, you know? In other words, it just robs every single person of their own individuality. And trust me, you know, however many shades of skin color out there, there are way more versions of personalities, you know? So I just think it's kind of this like, get out of jail free thing on your own personality, but that doesn't deny the existence of racism. And then there's this, Adam. Like, you know, my sons grew up in New York City playing soccer, and they were in a very

diverse school and soccer program. Like when I say diverse, it actually wasn't diverse. That was a euphemism. It was overwhelmingly black. And my sons were the minority. And I saw a story. It was just last week. And there's a big soccer tournament every year for academy level soccer players. And this kid that I care a lot about. I've known him since he was a kid. Stories everywhere about New York Red Bulls players being racially abused on two separate occasions. For what it's worth, these were from other players, one from Monterey, a team from Monterey, another one from Croatia. And what the Red Bulls decided to do, Adam, was leave the tournament. They decide to leave the tournament.

And this is a big thing in soccer. I don't know if you're a sports fan at all, but they're really trying to tackle racism. And, you know, whether or not it's in the crowd or on the field, they're trying to tackle people. And I do wonder, I don't have an answer to this. Like, is walking away from these situations dropping out of a tournament, does that actually end up solving what we would both acknowledge as a problem if these players are racially abused? That's a very good question. And just to let you know, I'm a huge soccer football fan. I watch it and I've been to games out in Europe as well.

So I'm very well aware, especially throughout Europe, the end racism campaign. And I'm tied when it comes to this particular situation. Part of me says, I understand the need to protest, right, to say, you know what, this is not acceptable. but then part of me says that are we not being resilient because we're just withdrawing ourselves and saying, and I don't know, I'm tied as well, because part of me wants to think that by staying in it doesn't necessarily mean you accept it, you can talk about it afterwards, but it means that you're willing to move forward and do things in spite of the existence of this happening. And, you know, I understand the importance of protest, but I'm not 100% sure that changes anything.

I think showing that you're strong, showing that you're willing to deal with it and call it out, right? I think to me that that says a lot about someone who's willing to go through that. And I've heard stories from black players who played in England decades ago, and they experienced racial abuse, and they don't deny it. right and a lot of people don't deny they say those are rough days in england but they still played they still play for their club and they did what they had to do and you know i think that's still possible for for you to accomplish i i don't think that keep playing means that you're okay with it i think there are ways to address it you know and move forward and i also look i love this kid i've known this kid like i love this kid and i hate that this happened to him you know

I hate it happens to anybody but I also then go how do you make it stop and you're a soccer fan you may be a sports friend at large I'm a sports fan you know what an opponent's going to do anything they can

to take you out of your game and you know what's set on an American football field I'm sure it would abhor the sensibilities of any you know average American now do those players mean it or not I don't know that doesn't make it right or wrong

but I do probably suspect the motivation is I'm going to try to get under his skin. I'm going to try to throw him off his game. And if he walks off the field, all the better. So in the purpose of like trying to actually solve it so this doesn't happen again, I'm not sure a protest of walking away is a step forward. It's like FIFA, I did this on the show a few weeks ago, getting mad at the Mexican fans for yelling what they call a homophobic slur.

You know what I'm talking about that happens every time Mexico plays. You can give as many public announcements as you want and stop the game. you're not going to stop them by reprimanding them in the middle of a game. Right. Right. And that's exactly it.

And especially when you have a stadium filled with tens of thousands of people and one person says something and a goalkeeper overhears it or one of the players overhears it. And that means that the entirety of it is guilty. You know, and also the other part of it

is while I understand wanting to bring it, up when it does happen, and we talked about competitive edge, isn't there a competitive edge for exploiting a hyper-sensitive environment, right? Because all you have to do is say that it happened. I mean, and is anybody, like, let's say, for example, I'm a player, and I say that I heard racial abuse, and they can go and listen to the tapes and listen back to the microphones and everything, and they don't hear anything. Are they going to be willing enough to say publicly that Adam is lying. No, but I could still possibly get this team in trouble. I can make this team worry about saying something to me next time, right? So there's a competitive edge as well in the

exploitation of this particular issue as well. All right, let's go back to the book now, Black Victims to Black Victors, again, author Adam Coleman here on The Wheel Cane Show. You go through a lot of different concepts in the book that I think are fascinating on how to make that journey in the Black community from victimhood to Victor. Let's talk about a couple of them. So I don't even understand Adam why this one becomes controversial. Old colleague of mine, Stephen A. Smith at ESPN, seems to think this is controversial. We see the stats on fatherlessness and masculinity. I mean, we've also seen the societal or the social experiments on what happens when you have a home. And again, I think

what happens is people have a hard time reconciling broad statistics with anecdotal exceptions. So you know someone that grew up without a father, and he's a great guy. That's great. That's awesome. But broadly, societally, if you have a community that doesn't have fathers, and what is it, Adam, is it 75% of black households have a father who's not present? That's a recipe for a problem. I think so. I was close to that.

Yeah, you do have a problem. And the one thing that, listen, I detail in the book, I grew up without my father. I didn't go to jail. I don't have a criminal history, I never got into drugs or anything like that, right? But it does not mean that I would advocate for someone to grow up without a father, even though I turned out okay. There's a lot of things that happen in between that you just don't see that happens in someone's lives. You know, I struggled with depression. I had thoughts of suicide multiple times from my life.

I've been homeless as a child and as an adult. Like, there are all these different struggles that happen, and a lot of it has to do with the lack of male support. And I think that's, there's this great area that we're not acknowledging. It's either your father is there and everything is great or, well, you know, your father wasn't there. So, but you turned out fine, and they just kind of keep it moving. There's just so much that's in between. And not all of us go to jail, not all of us are doing drugs, not all of us are shooting people in the streets, right? Some of us really do struggle.

Some of us take our own lives, not someone else's life. And I think these people matter who are like myself, because I'm just a couple of moments from doing that years ago. And I think this is the root of the problem. When we talk about people who end up in jail who are doing drugs, we're talking about the extremes. And it's like anything else. When you increase a population of people who are at high risk,

then you increase the extreme. extremes of the high-risk population. That is what you're seeing. And on the flip side, part of the reason I wanted to talk about single-parenthood is because really it's a commonality as an American problem, not just a black problem. See, it's the canary in the coal mine for black Americans, but it's the entire situation when it comes to Americans, no matter what they look like. Nearly a quarter of children are growing up in separate homes in the United States from their

parents. That is an American tragedy that's happening. And it's not just a black face. It is a white face also. It is a Hispanic face also. And while there's a disproportionate amount of black Americans who are growing up in separate homes from their parents, there are more white Americans who are growing up in separate homes from their parents, the black Americans. So the impact is there. More sheer numbers, but not more per capita, not more per population, to your point on exactly yeah yep you're exactly right and when I talk about these things let me tell you overwhelmingly the people who reach out to me and say that's my story do not look like me right and and these are for many white Americans their story is being pushed under the rug

because everybody wants to talk about our mess when it really it's an American mess we got we have an entire country we have to fix yeah you're talking about the fundamental societal building block, regardless of race, which is the family. When you get into these conversations, Adam, where you and I to have more disagreement or, you know, somebody who advocates black or white for the existence of systemic racism, any of the problems that we'd be addressing, right, fatherlessness, family structure, community, what would happen is the conversation would start going backwards. So instead of going forwards and looking solution oriented or looking for a victor, what would

happen would be, well, why is it there are so many black fatherless families? And it would point to, you know, America's war on drugs or the increasing prison population and then go back to systemic racism, you know, or, you know, if we were talking about, you know, net worth, it would go back to redline laws and ability to build ability to build family wealth through homeownership. So what I'm getting at is, similar to where you were talking about with OJ, would there be a kernel of truth and all of those things? Yes. Yes, there would. But does it extrapolate into this larger conversation that just centers itself and never moves on from victimhood versus here's where we sit in the present. How do we move to Victor? Yeah. There is a kernel of

truth when it comes to all of that. However, just like my upbringing wasn't the best upbringing, I'm still responsible for my life. And I think when you become accountable, right, and just so people understand, when I talk about black victims, a black victor, we can say the black community, but really I'm talking about myself as well because there are moments in my life

where I felt like the victim. I acted that way, and I struggled even more so because of that. But then there were moments when I finally overcame that, right, when I pushed forward and I was able to succeed, And it's that, you know, the willingness to do things in spite of your circumstance. And when I hear someone harping on what happened hundreds of years ago and ignoring their actual responsibility for their behavior, their responsibility for their outcome, because I can talk about like, okay, I get it, you're right, these bad things happen, but you didn't help, right?

And before we start looking and pointing at other people, we need to. actually point at ourselves and see where could we have done something better in that situation. So the book is also talking about me. I started taking the position of no matter what I see, no matter what happens in my life, I ask myself, what could I have done better in that situation? If I got fired from a job, if I lost out an opportunity, what could I have done better in that situation? And that is something of strength. Yeah. By the way, I'm not black. I do the same thing, right? I think anybody that strives for success, okay, this thing happened. Is it all my fault? No. You know, like circumstances or even

victimhood. Maybe somebody did something that actually undercut me or hurt me, you know, career-wise or whatever it may be. But instead of sitting in that and wallowing in that, you have to move to, okay, but what could I have done better? How could I seen it coming? How could I've responded? Because that's empowering. That's like I'm looking down the road instead of stuck in place or looking backwards behind me down the road you're exactly right and that's what i was doing for much of my life i was looking behind me right i was i was talking about i didn't have my father and this is why it's like okay yes i didn't have my father in my life but you know what now i am a father right and i have to look forward and raise my son to become a man and i first had

to figure out what it was to be a man how do you become a man what is a man and had to teach these things to my son. And that's how I was able to actually grow up in many ways and overcome these struggles because I saw the importance of me getting my life together for my son and having it figured out for my son and sacrificing for my son. So yeah, if you look in the past, you're not looking forward. And in many ways, when we keep looking in the past, we're letting our children down as well. So what do you think is the role or how do you explain Adam? Let's let's take this example of this case that I don't know it feels like there's a concerted effort to turn it into I don't think it will take off because the facts are so so I don't know I have to

acknowledge the limitation of my own understanding of the facts but I've read the stories always in these moments you've got to say to yourself let's let the facts emerge but Dexter Reed Chicago Illinois apparently a shootout with police the allegations are now that he fired first he's pulled over he has heavily tinted windows he's wearing a ski mask I think the pretext for the pullover is seatbelt. Legitimate question, how did the cops know he wasn't wearing a seatbelt if the windows were so tinted and couldn't see him? Regardless of the pretext of the pullover, apparently he shoots first. Cops respond with multiple officers, 96 total shots. He's dead.

Here's the headlines in the Washington Post, CNN, and other places. You can take a look at some of the headlines. This is Washington Post. Please fire 96 shots in 41 seconds, killing black man during traffic stop. It's the same, by the way, Adam, at USA Today and CNN. It doesn't say anything about him firing first. And it's almost like there's, you know, you and I are talking about how to personalize and understand your own place in your life. But then there's like this ecosystem around it. Like, what is going on?

Like what's going on with the Washington Post? What's going on with CNN? What's going on with the ecosystem that feeds this? No, no, no. Look, victim. What's going on is that whether you like the story or hate the story, you're going to talk about them, right? And if they paint a certain picture that is. false, the people who disagree with it are going to pay attention. And if they paint a picture

that is misleadingly in favor of what you already believe, you're going to pay attention even more too. So what we're finding is that we have a dishonest media environment where everybody just sets out their most extreme interpretation of what's going on to elicit an emotion, and your emotion is going to make you click on the link or tune into their TV show or listen to their podcast series. Like, this is the environment that we're growing up in now. It is not the media environment of yesteryear. And honestly, and I say this as somebody who has an independent publication platform,

we're seeing much of the same behavior coming from the independent outlets because many of them don't get corporate dollars. They need clickbait to survive, right? So everybody is being misled when it comes to the media. And I say this as someone who's involved in. the media these days is that it is not a left-right thing when it comes to media manipulation. It is bipartisan. And there's an economic driver when it comes to this as well. So people have to discern the information that's coming through. Does this make sense?

Go to multiple sources. And if you're someone who just says the Washington Post is, oh, well, they're definitely telling me the truth. Well, then you're going to easily be misled because you need to check the entire thing. And honestly, people just need to use common sense. Where's the smell test, right? Where's the smell test when it comes to, do cops just shoot someone 90 times? Just because? No, they don't. Even if it's, they thought they saw a gun, there's usually some sort of pretext to an action. So what was the pretext? And if they withhold that the person shot at the police, assuming that this information is true, I'm not too familiar with this case. But assuming that information is true, well, then, I don't know,

my empathy for this person dying is not as strong as it would be if they were shot for no reason and were unarmed. So I think people just need to be more mindful of the source of information that you're taking in. Even if it tickles your bias, you need to start asking questions. Even more so if it tickles your bias. You know, I think you're absolutely right. And And I've kind of been resistant to the clickbait thing in the past because it felt like too easy of an answer. But, and look, I'm in the media, you know, but I do think that it's becoming more obvious that that's the motivational pull behind, and I think you're right, it's bipartisan behind a lot of the stuff that we get. But I also like you saying, just use common sense. It doesn't pass the smell test.

We all live lives. Like, does that make sense that that's how something would go? But don't stop there, then investigate into both. Hey, where'd you grow up, Adam? We moved a lot. I was born in Detroit, but I've lived in four states before the age of 18. But I told people are from New Jersey. I've lived in Jersey for 20 plus years. Here's why I ask. One more on this idea of black victimhood to black victor. I saw this recently. So I told you that my sons, and I'm happy to talk about, they went to Success Academy in Harlem, which is in New York City.

which is a charter school, and it's overwhelmingly black. But especially in the world of soccer, the vast majority of people I were around was African-American. And when I say that, I mean, the parents were immigrants from Africa. I was watching a clip, I think, from Shannon Sharpe's podcast. He's a former player in the NFL. And I can't remember the comedian that he had on. But the comedian was going after the African-American community. And I'm saying it this way to distinguish black American.

from African-American, and he was kind of talking about this divide, right, between the two communities. And I find it interesting. I find it interesting in so much as it sort of represents a cultural divide within Black America. And so a lot of the things that you talk about in your book, you could argue are symptoms or problems that need to be resolved or moved beyond when it comes to Black Americans that don't exist, perhaps, for immigrants from Africa. That is true. And to fill in, that was Godfrey, the comedian. Yeah.

Yeah, you saw it too then. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you think about that divide? It's a fascinating divide. In the online world, there's the FBI, the foundational black Americans who tried to distinguish themselves from someone who might be Caribbean, from someone who might be from Africa. There is a very strange divide. very strange divide that happens there.

There's, I think there are certain black Americans, obviously not most, but I think there are certain black Americans who are envious. There's no other way of kind of seeing it. They are envious because they know, we can talk about the stats of wealth, progress, opportunities from people who come to this country with basically nothing, not even, many times they come here without knowing the native language. And excelling past, you know, if you were to say this in terms of groups, their group, right, excelling past Black American statistically. And I think there is a bit of envy when it comes to that, right?

So the idea that there is this inherent racism that is happening present day, but yet it is not affecting them, right? It smacks them in the face because how is that the case, right? And that's when they go, well, historically, historically, historically, but I don't know. You know, I get, if you want to make some sort of- There's also cultural differences as well, right? Right. There's cultural differences, Adam. Like, even within the home, we're talking about, like, with the fatherhood, it's, you know,

many African immigrant families are intact family units. Right. And then, you know, I mean, I even wonder about, look, I think culture is important, and I'm not rejecting rap. There's a lot of rap that I like. And, you know, but, like, there's a lot of things that, that, you know, in culture that, like, if you wake up every day thinking negative thoughts and you're going to produce negative outcomes, I'm a big believer in that, right? And so if you listen to music all day

long that has negativity or paints a negative picture or tells you certain things, I think you're going to manifest negativity. And so I just think there's some cultural divides there that is showing up beyond simply skin color. Yeah, absolutely. And listen, their third-party situation, they're a third-party actors. If we talk about the music and industry, God knows how many third party non-black Americans who are involved in rap music who are pushing degenerate music and make money off of it. So it's not to say that, listen, there's no culpability for anybody else. But at the end of the day, we should be able to do in spite of.

And I didn't grow up in a privileged life, and I was able to find some sort of way to do things in spite of my circumstance. And I think many Americans can do this, whether they're black or white, they just have to believe they're able to. And I think we need stronger mentors, we need stronger parents, we need more parental involvement, we need less of the courts getting involved in parents' lives. We need accountability to return. We need parents to have some balls in return.

What's happening in the school systems and transing children, this is weak parents who are allowing it to happen. And as soon as I started seeing some of that strange stuff happening in my son's school, for one, I educated him so he could let me know if this happens to, let me know. And then I took him out of the school and I took control of his life and his education and he's been happy since. So I think we need a return to, like you said, that culture. It's a culture of parenting that actually cares. It's a culture of parenting that says, I'm your parent, not your friend. And we have too many parents who want to be their children's friends. So I think there needs to be a lot of accountability, a lot of parents who do the hard work and make the

hard decisions for the children, even if their children hate them at that moment, they're doing it for the best of them, because in the future, their kids are going to thank them. Awesome stuff. Personal empowerment, positive message. From Black Victim to Black Victor, Adam Coleman, it's not from, it's just Black Victim to Black Victor. You guys should check it out. I mean, amazing message, and I appreciate you sharing it today here on the Will Kane show. Thank you. I appreciate it. All right. Again, check him out. Adam Coleman. All right. Women's college basketball national championship ratings through the roof

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Caitlin Clark, as we spoke about, just a couple of days ago here on The Wheel Cane Show. It was the episode with Dave Rubin. We talked about the backlash, the women-supporting women, effect of all the attacks on Caitlin Clark from stars within the WNBA. Well, Diana Tarossi's not done. This is what she had to say about Caitlin Clark and the WNBA. You know, this country has a fascination with young female athletes, and then it goes away, which I don't understand. You know, whether it's the young gymnast. the young skateboarder, the young pitcher.

And then it's like, once you become a professional, it all goes away. But that's the pinnacle. If you're the best in the pros, then you're the best in the world. And I think people have to still remember that when it comes to women's sports. Well, I mean, it's not hard to figure out why people are fascinated with young. You know, as we just talked about with Adam Coleman, I'm into soccer. It's not my number one sport, but it's getting up there. I mean, football is my number one sport, American football.

And by the way, it was at the Texas Rangers game last night, World Series champion Texas Rangers. And the Mavs are hot, and the stars are the best team in the NHL. So I love them all. But I was watching yesterday a little bit of Champions League soccer. I was watching Barcelona versus Paris Saint-Termain. And Barcelona had two players, one 17 years old starting at centerback. He was awesome.

And if they have a 16-year-old, who's most people, suggests it's on the path to be one of the best players in the world starting at wing. And of course I'm fascinated with the fact there's a 16-year-old and a 17-year-old starting for Barcelona in the Champions League. Why wouldn't I be fascinated with youth? It's the outlier. That's what we talked about. I talked about when it came to Caitlin Clark.

You know, okay, is there some fascination with her because she's white? Yeah, I think so. because it makes her less so in women's but more so in the world of basketball an outlier like tiger woods when he came to golf an outlier people are fascinated by attracted and drawn to outliers so of course youth gets attention whereas a player in their prime in the wmba might not get the same kind of attention not might be doesn't get the same kind of attention. 18 million people watched Caitlin Clark in the women's college basketball national championship

game. And there are many saying, well, this is it. This is the arrival point for women's college basketball. No, it's not. I agree with Clay Travis. It's the Ronda Rousey effect. When she leaves, the ratings will come back down to Earth. Now, will they go down to as low as they were before?

I don't know. There'll be some residual effect, maybe. But the ratings will come back down to Earth because this was about the outlier. about Caitlin Clark. But here's what I think is fascinating. Will the ratings follow her into the WNBA if she's that big a star? Will she also bring the same kind of ratings effect to the Chicago Sky or whoever? It's the Indiana something that has the number one pick in the WNBA draft.

And the answer I think we know is also no. There may be some small ratings boost, but they won't carry over to pro. And, you know, Diana Taraski can wonder why, but it doesn't. have so much to do with society is it just, and the way they treat women athletes, it has to do with people like college basketball, specifically women's college basketball. It's one of the few sports where you could go. The college version of it is more popular than the pro. And why? Because that is a built-in community. You know, the people of Iowa rally around the Lady Hawkeyes. The people of Connecticut rally around the Yukon women's basketball team. Do they watch the Connecticut

Sun, which two of a day's Dan told me today, that's the name of the WNBA team in Connecticut because they play at Mohegan's Sun. I didn't even know the name of it. And the answer is no, they don't rally around the Connecticut Sun. Schools represent community. I know guys that watch Baylor Bears, Lady Bears, Basketball. I'm not into it, even though the Longhorns are pretty good at women's basketball. Just never added it to my list of sports that I paid deep attention to.

It's just one of the sports who was putting out lacrosse as a number of. another one. Popular in college. Nobody cares about professional lacrosse. And there's not very many where the collegiate version is more popular than the pro, but that's the case of women's college basketball. And I don't expect it to change with Caitlin Clark. Will they get a bump? Maybe. Will they see those same kind of gangbusters ratings for the WMBA? No. And will women's college basketball continue to have gangbusters ratings without Caitlin Clark? No. All right, that's going to do it for me today here on the Will Kane show. Monday through Thursday, 12 o'clock Eastern, live tomorrow, sports exclusive version of the Will Cane show.

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