Will Cain Country - Five Things To Know As The Trial Of Former President Trump Opens, Plus Dana Perino In-Studio!

Episode Date: April 22, 2024

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One, the co-anchor of America's Newsroom, the co-host of the five, Dana Perino, will be right here today on the Wilcane Show. Two, five things you need to know at the opening of the trial against Donald Trump. And three, I think that I've hit the bottom. Not the bottom of the internet, but I've hit the bottom of Netflix of Amazon, prime of Paramount of Peacock. I've hit the bottom. I've seen everything. There's nothing left to watch. Coming up on the Will Cage. It is the Will Cain Show. Streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page. Always on demand wherever you get your audio entertainment at Apple,

Spotify, or at Fox News podcast. Just hit subscribe and hit subscribe on YouTube at the text description right under this live stream. And then you can get it whenever you want. Just subscribe to the Will Kane show. From the jury to the testimony to the opening statements coming up a little bit later, I'm going to break down the five things you need to know going into this trial against Donald Trump. But this weekend on Fox and Friends, a perhaps much more important debate broke out with the White House, a former White House press secretary. It is not my guest today on the Will Kane Show. It is not Dana Prino. It was Kaylee McAnney, who was guest hosting Fox and Friends Weekend. And this came up, and we realized there might be a gender

divide. There might just be a huge debate in America. Do you eat in the bed? Watch. Finally, eating in bed is becoming an increasingly popular trend among young people. Gross. I what? Why not? Oh, yeah. Are you serious, Kaylee? Yes. My daughter and I do it all the time with my husband. We're going to get to that in a moment. Data from a new survey shows 58% of Americans between 18 and 24 say their bed is their preferred place to eat when they get hungry late at night, while nearly 44% of adults of all ages admit to doing the same. So we want to know, do you like to eat where you sleep?

Or is snacking in the sack a no-go? email us friends at foxnews.com the more colorful and descriptive the better. Okay, here's my first of all, you never saw that one come to, Amy. I didn't see this coming. Well, I'm going to bet this is one of the places you and I are on the same side. This is no, but no, no. Big time. Yeah.

Why? This is gross. It's gross. And then if you do it, then your kids do it, and then there's stuff in your sheets. It's just gross. Hey, just get up and eat over here. In your sheets. My husband, Sean, agrees with you. And when he goes out of town on hunting trips, my daughter, Blake and I, I mean, we lap it up.

We bring, like, cake to bed, ice cream, air crumbs everywhere. Yes. And she's four. So you can imagine how this turns out. I don't even like it on the couch. All right. Is this a male and female thing? Is this a former White House press secretary thing?

Let's settle this debate here in America with story number one. She is the co-anchor of America's Newsroom, the co-host of the Five. She is also the host of Perino on Politics right here. at Fox News Podcast, and the author of Everything will be okay. It is the former press secretary for George W. Bush, Dana Perino. Hi, how are you? Do you eat in the bed? Never.

No. It's unacceptable. I wonder, I don't know if it's gender. I wonder if it's age. I'm so much older. I don't know. She's so young and so accomplished, and she has children. So maybe that's why, but no, I don't.

But my dog is on the bed. Does your dog sleep in the bed? with you. I made a mistake when he was a little puppy. He had gotten sick. So I had Jasper, who, like, he was famous dog. I loved him so much. And when he was nine, he died. And it was sudden, it was shocking. It was horrible. 12, like, I think 10 weeks later, we got this new puppy, Percy. And in the first, like, two weeks we had him, he ate some mulch. I didn't know he had eaten mulch. And I found him with, like, drool, bloated belly. Like, we had to rush him to the emergency room and thankfully it was going through the system and it was he was going to be okay but

it was so traumatic for me and that night when we got home i said to peter i know i'm making a huge mistake here but i don't want to worry that he's not breathing at this tonight i want to be able to so i'm going to let him sleep in the bed and he said you know what you're doing right i said yep six months later try to kick him out of the bed did not work i mean it was the most it's a disgusting he lost it being kicked out of the bed like explosive you know what like it was horrible at 4 a.m we gave it and said okay fine so now the dog's on the bed which most people might think is gross I think it's a mistake you did in your story about jasper and percy I think you did something you made a mistake but you also did something smart so here's what you did smart so I don't think

you know I've talked about this I had a dog that I got when I was 21 I was a senior in college he was my right hand man I mean everywhere I went I took him to college parties he was a Doberman black and tan and he was so smart he would sit next to me

stand next to me at the party he may take a lap but he'd always come back to me I mean I literally didn't go anywhere without this dog when he died I and in the interim by the way I acquired a wife

I had kids and so he became part of a family but when he died I was like there's no replacing this dog and I cannot do it So I waited 10 years until I got another dog, which I got another Doberman, female. She's fond-colored.

She's very different than him. She must look like Percy. She looks like a little bit like a Weimariner. She's grayish. But I waited way too long, Dana. You were smart to get Percy right after Jasper. Well, you know what happened was, so Peter and I've been married 26 years, together, 27 years. And in all of our time together, in all those years, we've only been without a

dog about 18 weeks of that. And part of the reason is because, and now we're on our third Vishla. And what happened when Jasper died, it was so shocking, I'm sorry, Henry died. He was my first dog. This is the dog that I had from, got him in Scotland when I was living with Peter in England. I was 26 years old. We moved to California. He was a surfing dog. He could surf with the best of them out by in the Navy Seals Beach in Coronado. He was amazing. And he could do everything. He knew all the names of all of his toys. We had this trick that I taught him. You know, they say you can't teach an old dog, new tricks.

I could teach him anything. And George Bush used to laugh so much because I taught Henry. I'd say, hey, Henry, show us what you think about John Kerry. And we would go to his toy box and get my old flip-flop and bring it back. And we'd be like, flip-flop, flip-flop. And he was the best. When he died, it was so shocking. We had just moved to New York.

We're living in an apartment in the city. There's no grass anywhere. And we're like, he was almost 14. so it's not totally unexpected. And Greta Van Susteren called me around 10.30 p.m. that night. Who calls it 10.30 p.m. I thought somebody else had died. And she says, hi, I know you don't want to hear this.

But you have to get another one right away. I said, well, Greta, I can't because we live in an apartment. And now I have this new job. And it's like, how am I going to train him? And she goes, it's the only way to heal your heart. And then Charles Krauthammer said, I know you think, why do we do this to ourselves? Because the grief is so painful. He says, because dogs make us better people.

And so when Jasper died, one of our friends who was a breeder heard about this and called and said, I've got a litter coming. We said, we'll take the largest male. It's so smart. I did the thing where like, well, I did two things. I can't replace him. And so I don't want to try. And then the same is your story. I had moved to New York.

And I was like, I can't get a Doberman. You love Vicholas. I love Doberman. I was like I can't get one in New York City but what it ended up being is 10 years of my life without a dog and you're right it is less of a life I really do believe that but you and I are huge dog people

but it's less of a life and now that I have another one I realize what I was missing all that time also doesn't it I'm sure you find with your family that it brings the family together even if the family's in an argument like everybody can agree that the dog's the best but you made a mistake

I let the first dog in the bed because it was just me and him she does not, I mean, I'm not going to say to her and act like a hard ass. She definitely gets in the bed. My wife is the weak link, but the rule is not in the bed. Yeah, Percy does not have that rule at all. But he's a good dog. And I love also one of the great things about in this time where people feel,

might feel estranged from their fellow American, like I find that you can always find common ground talking about your pets. Yeah, and I think common ground's important. I used to talk about that in sports. I think we have to remember people, we have to remember that we are each human beings. And that's what's been really lost, I think, is, I think, both societally and individually, Dana, I think, like, we've lost some of our even complexity as human beings, like acknowledging our failings, acknowledging the limitations of our own knowledge, acknowledging when we're

wrong, we're just kind of losing what it is to be a person. Yeah. I want to go to part of your story that you already brought up. So we're talking about Kaylee, press secretary. So you mentioned it. You were living in England. I don't know your story that well, but, you know, I know you were born in Wyoming. Yep.

You grew up in Denver. Yep. You end up working in politics. You worked at some congressional offices. And then you left. And then you left for England. And if I look at your life, it looks like it seems to me on the surface, at least, the thing that brought you back to not just America, but to Washington, D.C. was 9-11.

That's true. You got exactly right. Yep, I met Peter on an airplane in August of 9. 1997, moved to England in May of 1998. So a very quick romance and a decision to leave what I thought was like my career that I would never work again in politics or television. Obviously, that's not true. And thankfully, but you know, you tell yourself these things when you're making big decisions and you're young and your horizon ends here when you're and actually your life is so much bigger than that. And I truly believe that the best advice

I was ever given in my life was from a family friend who told me when I was wrestling, should I move to England or not. She said, do not give up on this chance to be loved. And it will not hurt your career. And boy, she was right. And thank goodness, I listened to her. So we're living in England. Peter wants to start his own business. I want to get back to working. I didn't have a visa. And we had gotten married. So we decided we're going to live in America. And we could choose anywhere we wanted to live. So we chose San Diego because who wouldn't want to live there. and we moved there with literally nothing, $10,000 of borrowed money. We didn't have a car, an apartment, anything.

We had a dog, puppy, Henry, and we moved to San Diego, and we just tried to make a go of it there, and I was working in public relations, but I missed Washington, D.C. I wanted to work for George W. Bush. All my friends were working somewhere in the administration, and I just felt like a square peg in a round hole in San Diego, and people in D.C. knew that I was willing to come back. I did some interviewing in August of 2001, mid-August, 2001. And 9-11 happens, and I reach out to my friend at the Justice Department to say, are you all right?

And she called me and said, would you be willing to come back still, even after all of this? I need another spokesperson that can join my team right away. And I started packing while we were on the phone and moved two weeks later. Like, well, I should say, I think I moved like October 8th or 9th. That's what I remember coming into Washington, D.C. and the leaves were starting to turn on the trees. And I never went back to that house in San Diego. Peter stayed there, got it packed up. And yeah, that was really the moment. And I was just working at the Justice Department as one of many spokespeople. And I was assigned the Environment and Natural Resources Division, which is one of the reasons I really interested in energy and environment and conservation, kind of from where I grew up, but also.

which is where I cut my teeth on policy. Before we start talking about the life of a press secretary, how do you fall in love on a plane? It was quick, and you know what? It happens more often than you think. It's unbelievable how many people have actually met on a plane. Now, this was 1997, so I had a hard copy book. I did not have AirPods.

I didn't have, like, I wasn't carrying around my walk, man. I didn't have anything that would distract me. And, you know, you sit down, and he was like, he asked me if he could put my bag up above for me. I heard the accent. But really was because I think on a plane, you kind of let down your guard. Like, I might not ever see this person again, so you can talk about anything. And he was funny. And I remember I asked him, what do people in Europe think about Bill Clinton? And his answer was perfect. And I said, okay, I remember looking out the window and saying, Lord, I know I asked you to help me find somebody, but he's much

older than me. He might be an ex-murderer. He lives in England. I don't know if anything he's saying is true, but how could it possibly be? And then we had our first date. He came back to America like four weeks later, and then we were engaged two weeks after that. I mean, it was quick and it has lasted. That was one hell of an answer about Bill Clinton. Great answer on Bill Clinton. Peter, you had no idea. How does that work at the end of the flight? He asked for your number? Well, actually, we were going to trade information, and I had just been in Denver doing editorial board meetings with the congressman I worked for, and I was out of cards. This is back in the day when you had, like, the hard copy business card.

So he gave me one of his that we still have to this day. And I didn't want him to think that I was flirting with him. So I made the business card look like my business card. I even included the fax number and make it look real official. So, yeah, that's how we exchanged information. All right, press secretary. From the outside, Dana, and I've told this to Kaylee. She's guest-hosted on Fox and Friends Weekend, so I've had to have conversations.

Yeah, she's such a great job. Yeah, and that's a nice time because you spend four hours together with commercial breaks and you kind of get to know each other. But I've told Kaylee this to me from the outside. I think for a lot of us, it looks like a really fun job, a stressful job. But for me and maybe my personality type, it looks like a fun job. You'd love it. A lot of my career. Look, I was outnumbered at CNN and I was outnumbered at ESPN.

And I used to say, like, if you want to know a debate or rhetorical trick, like if you're Jessica talking, of sitting at the table on the five, you're outnumbered somewhat four to one. You don't have to rebut every single point. You can pick your favorite one to rebut. You as a press secretary are surrounded, this is my characterization, but dozens of hostile, you know, questioners. And I'm just, it looks like it would be fun. I love that job with my entire being, mostly because I really loved and believed in the president I was working for and the purpose and the cause and we were a nation at war. And we took our jobs very seriously, but we didn't take ourselves seriously. I would not say that most reporters in the room weren't hostile. I would say

adversarial, but that was by nature. I think that's true. I always believe that 50% of my job was defending and representing the president of the United States, advocating for the policies, and defending our country on the world stage. But the other 50% was making sure that the press had access to the government. And I took that very seriously. That has gone away. Do you know that Joe Biden has not given one interview in the Oval Office to any of the main media from the briefing room,

and that they don't complain about it? I cannot believe. They complain about it, but they're not up in arms about it. So I thought that things were adversarial. My power in the room was one, I had the microphone, but also I try always to be the most well-read person in the room, and I wanted all of them to know it. But I would also take an interest in what they were writing.

So I would read everything that they wrote, and I would pay attention, and I would say, hey, Cheryl, that was a great piece this weekend that you wrote about, maybe it had nothing to do with the White House. I had good relationships with them, and I understood what. they were coming from. I knew they had a job to do and that I had a job to do. So I never thought of it as hostile. Sometimes I would maybe be a little oversensitive at times to criticism, but I also operated under the Never Let Em See You Sweat. There's something also that's a major, two major differences between when I was there and when somebody like Kaylee was there. It used to be that the

briefing was started and ended with the lead wire reporter in the room, the most senior wire in the room. I just accepted as tradition that you didn't, you were not let off of the podium until that senior wire reporter said, thank you, which meant, yes, like, talk about a challenge, like, okay, I'll just sit here and take these questions, but also if things got repetitive or ridiculous, the senior reporter would be like, okay, we're done here, thank you. So that was one thing. Now you see, like, Karen will, like, shut her binder and storm off as if it's something, you know, as she's making a statement because she doesn't want to answer the questions anymore.

But the other thing we did not have is social media. It was not a thing. When I left on January 20th, 2009, I didn't even have a Twitter account. And all of that has changed the job tremendously. How does social media change the job? Well, first of all, every reporter,

you know exactly what they're saying. And a lot of, if you watch reporters, they all tweet for each other, trying to outdo one and up. Not so much anymore. It has calmed down, I would say. But during those first years when Twitter was first taking off, you would all of a sudden was like, oh, the mask was off.

You knew exactly where they were coming from. That changed a little bit. And they were competing for eyeballs from their bosses as well. The other thing is just the vitriol. Now, there was also great opportunity because, and you see President Obama, but mostly President Trump really take advantage of this, you don't have to wait to tell the American people, at the briefing room what's on the president's mind. I'll tell you what's on the president's

mind right now. And actually, President Trump said, I'll do you one better. I'll tell you what's on my mind directly. So the job of the press secretary to me has changed a tremendous amount. And Biden doesn't utilize those tools, but President Trump did. Just like John F. Kennedy figured out how to use television or Ronald Reagan using television, FDR using radio. Barack Obama figured out social media initially by for the fundraising. In 2008, they had things like cat lovers for Obama. Would you give us $5 today? That's how the small donors really started. Like he figured that out. Trump figures out how to use social media to his benefit or detriment to talk directly to the American people. So there was a next thing coming and it might be TikTok. It might be

something, I don't know, maybe not TikTok, but some version of it that's coming that there's always a way to think ahead about the innovation. And I wish that I had thought of that beforehand. I just didn't. So you described your relationship with the press as adversarial but not hostile. And I don't think that she'll mind me saying this. I asked Kaylee about her relationship with the press. That was hostile. Yes. And she also said that it was at arm's length. There was not going out for drinks afterwards. There was not a personal connection to the press pool. Your sounds like you had much more of a relationship, even if it were adversarial. But I am curious, not only has social media changed the game.

Of course, Donald Trump changes the game as well, and it becomes much more hostile on both sides towards the press. But I'm curious with you now, like those same relationships who may have been cordial if adversarial have now exposed themselves on Twitter. You're now on Fox. What are those relationships like for you now? I don't talk to that many of them anymore, but I'm still very friendly with them. Like Kelly O'Donnell of NBC News will always be fond of her. What's actually pretty interesting is John Roberts, who anchors are one to three. He was at CBS when I was at the White House, CBS and then CNN.

Brett Baer was at Fox. Obviously, a lot of people I'm now colleagues with Kevin Cork was at NBC. A lot of people have moved around, right? So I'm now working with many people who were in, the briefing room at the time, several of them have left the job. Many of them have retired. I mean, it was 2008 when I left. And you think about it, I was in the White House from 2002 at some point, at some level,

2002 through 2008. That's a long time. I mean, careers have changed. There's different personalities now in the briefing room. Some have even passed away, like Bill Plant, for example, of CBS News. So we're still friendly. You talk about an arm's length. One of the things we used to do on foreign trips, when we went a lot.

lot of places. Chief of staff, Josh Bolton, he would host the reporters for bowling. We went bowling in Peru, Romania, Moscow. A few other places that are coming to mind. Like, that was our thing. Like, we took the reporters bowling. It was all off the record. And it was fun, friendly. And you get to know people a little bit more as to, like, their kids might love softball. Like, whatever it is, you have a little bit of that human connection that we're talking about beforehand. And that really helped. especially on days that were tough. So I want to ask you this. I think this ties into your experience,

not just as press secretary, but you have a wealth of experience in Washington, D.C., someone like I would not have. And I think that you can help inform me, for example, on things that from the outside just remain so mysterious. So what I'm talking about is a lot that took place over the past week. So in Congress, at least two different bills have passed through the House, that it would appear on the surface that is out of touch with the Republican voter base.

That's the Pfizer renewal and the funding for Ukraine. Now, I look at that and I go, all right, Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House, is a guy that for many people would be thinking, that's a surprise. It's not who we thought Mike Johnson was necessarily before he became Speaker. And I think a lot of people on the right dismiss it as you've been co-opted by the established more, or you've become the regime, or you've now become Washington, D.C. And it's easy to villainize everybody that disagrees with you. For me, I sit there and I go, well, what am I missing? Right? So I sit there and I still don't understand, Dana. I have trouble to this day

understanding the importance to America of Ukraine. But clearly something with Mike Johnson and a great, huge chunk of the Republican congressional offices feel differently than me. So, I mean, you have access, you have experience in that world, and I don't want to be somebody that just dismisses it as, and I'm not saying it, it shouldn't be dismissed, but I don't want to just dismiss it as, well, you're now Washington, D.C. So what do you think? We could use those two bills as an example, but what do you think goes on and explains, by the way, the base may not be out of touch. I mean, some of the base is,

but polling on Ukraine is pretty, I don't know what it is today. It's 60% support. 60% support. So what is, is that what's going on? A calculation of polling? I'm not sure.

I do think things get distorted by a few people who are very loud. And I think that Mike Johnson, I'm going to take him out his word. He said, I listened to the briefings that he was giving the classified briefings, and he was convinced that this is an important thing to do

and the right thing to do. and the right thing for our own national security and our future, this is the right thing to do. He said he prayed about it and he figured out a way to get it through. Now, he's dealing with the, I've never seen congressional majorities this small. I don't know, but I don't think that there was this really robust conversation. On the Ukraine side, that's on the Ukraine side. On the FISA thing, on the FISA renewal, I did FISA renewal in 2007, 2008.

and we it was the same arguments back then and it's been abused and it's been modified and then you have people that are on the intel committees and listening like republicans who are saying we're listening to these briefings we believe that this is in our national security interest and this is why we think we want to vote this way part of the thing with the media is that everything is so distorted like how much information people can get and it's like I was talking this weekend about how when you're looking at a highway where the speed limit is 75, so people are going 85, and the cars are moving this fast. That's how fast some of these conversations are going.

And the other day, I interviewed a senator who I asked about FISA renewal. He said, one of his big problems with it was about big tech being able to sell our information. And I said, is that in the 702 segment, the section that you're complaining about, that you don't like? It says, absolutely it is. I said, oh, okay. I mean, I've not done it for a while, so I don't know. Well, two hours later, I found out, oh, I was right. So I'm like, even the senator and I are both, like, pretty educated people on this issue,

and we're not quite nailing down the facts of it all. So I think people are not going to Washington, like, maybe they used to, but maybe they should. What do you mean by that? One of the things is that they don't know each other. Like I was just saying, like, in the off-the-record bowling excursions, we would do once a while that just made looking at each other a little bit more as humans, as also people we have to work with. So back in the day, like when Harold Ford Jr. was a child and his father was a congressman, that was when there wasn't that types of communications that we

have now, you moved your family to Washington, D.C. so that you could be there and do your job, and your kids went to school there, and you bought a house there, and then you would go home for congressional recess. You didn't fly in on a Tuesday morning and leave first three, thing on a Thursday night. You actually were there. Everybody got to know each other. You would have dinners together. Harold Ford Jr., he might make a friend at school with somebody that you disagreed with vehemently on politics, but the kids are friends. And so you know what? You end up having a beer in the backyard with your opponent, and you had that kind of interaction. And I do think that for all of us, it's why I'm not for working from home, for people in the workplace, not just in

politics. It's that human connection is critical for our own well-being and work relationships make getting to a result better. Yes, but I'm a little torn on that. I understand how that increases collegiality, but I guess my concern would be I don't want you, Congressman, connected to, I'm from Texas. I don't want you Texas Congressional District Congressman to be connected to your either Democrat or Republican congressional colleague from Wisconsin, I want you to be connected to your district. And so go home and connect with your district. And you may accomplish some collegiality, but I think there's a concern for many people, but it increasingly just makes you more removed from the American people. And I guess that's what I've kind of, like in a way, that's what I'm

asking you. Like, because you have that exposure, and I own my humiliation, I do not have this exposure of having been in Washington, D.C. and been inside these institutions. And I am concerned. I do share many of the concerns that it's increasingly removed from America. And like you bring up Mike Johnson saying, I saw the intel briefing. Well, I respect that. I also worry that the institutions behind the intelligence communities, yeah, can I trust them to not pursue their own self-interest and co-opt congressmen who are now increasingly removed from the American voter base? well Harold Ford and I gave a speech together the other day and he and I looked at each other as we were giving our answers

and on stage in front of everybody I said do we sound really old because what we're talking about no longer happens and I don't think there's any going back I think the horse has left the barn like nobody is going like what you're saying is that they don't want to hang out

with their congressional member from Wisconsin But even that I'm, what I'm wrestling with is, is it good, too? Is it good or bad? Would it be good for them to? I mean, I mean, what we have now, is it good? Well, so there's two sides to that. I'll give you my perspective on both sides. One, and we just talked about this last week here on the Will Kane show.

Justice Scalia gave this talk before Congress where he talked about what makes the United States exceptional. And he said it's not the Constitution. He said, you know, there are many different countries who've drafted wonderful constitutions, but you could have parchment guarantees. Like, just because you put the promises on paper doesn't mean it's how it manifests in life. He said, what makes America special is its checks and balances, it's bifurcated government, it's the three branches of government, all designed to create gridlock. He said, you American people need to learn to love gridlock because gridlock is the preservation of freedom.

You know, good laws impose upon freedom. So I think in that way, it can be good now. I think the flip side of that that I'm saying is a problem is I do think it's a problem if congressmen think their job is simply to preen to the public. And I think there is a lot. And I've talked up the virtues of populism, not across the board, but populism is like an ingredient in a recipe. You need to be careful exactly how much you put into the recipe.

A dash. But I do think we have gotten to a place today where congressmen are performing. Oh, yeah. But, you know, another thing is, like, let's go back to the briefing room for a second. Mike McCurry was the press secretary for Bill Clinton in 1997. I don't know which ranges he was, but definitely I know it was 1997. And he made a decision that changed a lot of things for everybody, as did C-SPAN around the same time. What did they do? He allowed cameras into the White House briefing room for the first time ever. and what all of a sudden did you have performance okay what do you have on C-SPAN performance

cable news it's performance and I'm not that's why I'm saying like I don't know if that's necessarily better I like gridlock oh I love I love it when they're recess Congress in recess that means they're not raising my taxes or putting more regulate but the problem is Biden's doing all the regulation so now we're relying on the judicial branch in order to backstop all of that and thank goodness from from my perspective that that's happening but But what has that done? That also means that on the opposite side, if you don't like with some of the Supreme Court decisions, then you think that that institution's broken.

And so they might trust the intel community, but they don't trust the Supreme Court. So I don't know if any of that's good. But the funny thing about Mike McCurry is the very day he let cameras into the courtroom, excuse me, cameras into the briefing room was the day that the Monica Lewinsky story broke. Oh, really? And he said, what a day. And he said, what have I done? All right. I want to ask you one last thing because I've always been fascinated about this part of your story. And you and I've talked off and on a little bit about this. But you've got to tell me just a little bit more about Wyoming. You've got to tell me about the family, the family ranch. You grew up. You're basically Beth from Yellowstone. I don't know. I'm not that badass at all. I'm trying to think if there's another character in that story. But no, probably not. My great-grandparents came from Italy separately. My great-grandfather came.

to be a coal miner in Weston County. So that's the Black Hills of Wyoming. So about 80 miles west of Mount Rushmore. And there was a coal miner, coal mine called the Cambria plant. I think it might still be there, actually. And a lot of Italians came over. And they took advantage of the Homestead Act. This is the late 1800s. And the Homestead Act said, you can get 60 acres as long as you promised to farm it for five years, and you had to build a structure. It had to have two rooms and four walls. And you had to build a well. So my grandfather would work the five and a half days. And on Saturday afternoon, he would walk the 18 miles. And he would hand dig the will, come back. And he met my great grandmother at the boarding house. My great grandmother's sister ran

the boarding house. They meet there. They fall in love. They have nine children. One died as a child. One of them was my grandfather that lived. And he was going to be a daughter. doctor. And school was about 22 miles from where they were, so they would go to school. It was like a lot, right? This was really uphill both ways. And then he went to the war in World War II and thought that he was going to become a doctor and see the world. Came back from World War II and decided after being in the Pacific, he'd seen the world enough of it. And the ranch really needed him to come back. On that night that he's going to arrive back in America, they're going to a dock in Philadelphia. His friends say, we're going to set you up on a blind date. He says,

absolutely not, not going. My grandmother, they said, we're going to set you up on this blind date. He says, absolutely not, I'm not going. They go on the blind date. And two months later, kind of like my story in a way, she moved to Wyoming. Two months later takes the train across. And my dad was the oldest of their three boys. And my grandfather grew it to a 50,000-acre ranch. And he passed away right. I had two months after 9-11, the day after Thanksgiving, moving cattle, massive heart attack. And my uncle, Matt, runs the ranch now with his two sons, Wade and Preston and their children. And it's a beautiful, wonderful place that my uncle says, don't tell anybody how nice it is.

They don't want anybody else coming. I've been there, not to your ranch, to that corner of Wyoming. What's the famous Devil's Tower? So it's about 80 miles, 50 miles south of Devil's. Tower and 80 miles west of Mount Rushmore. So I grew up going to see the faces. You know, that was our big trip. We're going to go see the faces every year. In Mount Rushmore. I am so jealous. It was a beautiful childhood. And I'll always be grateful that I had that opportunity and I care very much for rural America. And I try, I'm glad that Fox pays attention. We don't

pay enough attention, but we pay more attention than anybody else. I think that's right. I think that's absolutely right. I love the segment that you and Pete do about outside of the grid, off the I love that segment. That's a great one. Yeah, we need to be in touch not just with New York and Washington, D.C. We need to be in touch with America. And lucky, he and I are lucky enough that he lives in Nashville and I still get to live in Dallas. But I would prefer to live on a 50,000 acre ranch in Texas. One day, you will. All right, Dana Perino. Thank you so much for hanging out with today on the Will King.

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Naked attraction. That's coming up on the Will Cain show. Streaming live at foxnews.com on the Fox News YouTube channel. The Fox News Facebook page and always on demand at Apple, Spotify, or at Fox News, podcast. And you can subscribe to the Will Kane show on YouTube. Today, opening statements in the New York quote-unquote hush money trial against Donald Trump. I wanted to walk you through what to

expect over the next four to six weeks, what to pay attention to, the five things you need to know as we begin the trial against Donald Trump. Number one, the charges. This begins with misdemeanor meter charges for fraudulent business transactions. The allegations are that Donald Trump wrote over $130,000 of checks to his attorney Michael Cohen as a funnel into a $130,000 payments made over 34 different checks to Pornstar Stormy Daniels. 34 charges for the 34 checks written that total $130,000. Now, here's what you need to know about these would-be misdemeanor charges. First, these making a non-disclosure agreement, what is often termed hush money, is not in and of itself illegal. It happens all the time. It happens with Hollywood celebrities.

It happens with Fortune 500 companies. And one could guess, would be speculation. It's probably happened in the past, although it would be embarrassing and probably not something they would discuss, happened in the past with Donald Trump. It only becomes a criminal charge when it is recorded in your business transactions as something other than an NDA. In this case, the allegations by the prosecution is it was recorded as legal fees to Michael Cohen, hiding the nature of the payments. But the most important, part of these misdemeanor charges is that the statute of limitations has run. These date back to 2016, 2015 and 16, and the statute of limitations has run its course. The statute of limitations

is the amount of time a prosecutor has to bring a charge. They become expired at some point. Murder, for example, has no statute of limitations. But other criminal charges have to be filed by a prosecutor within a certain amount of time because memories get hazy. Interests become more suspicious. The reason to conduct a trial less compelling. So you have to bring the charges within a legislated amount of time. It's two to three years for these particular misdemeanor charges and they've long since passed their statute of limitations. Now that brings us to number two, the charges, the felonies. Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg has turned these misdemeanors into felony charges, which carry a longer statute of limitations. The statute

limitations on felony charges that you recorded false business transactions in pursuit of undermining federal election laws is a statute of limitations that has even been extended one year because of COVID. Now, in order to bootstrap himself into felony charges with a longer statute of limitations, Alvin Bragg had to find a felony underneath, a criminal conspiracy underneath the misdemeanors to make them felonies. If you recorded fraudulent business transactions in pursuit of another crime, they become a felony. And the allegation here, the crime here, is election interference. So here's how that works.

The argument goes that Donald Trump, even if my speculation earlier is right that he perhaps had created, constructed similar deals in his past, we don't know that to be true, but if he had, it would undercut the idea that he did it in this case to influence a campaign. Bragg is suggesting he did it to influence the 2016 presidential election. that he paid Stormy Daniels money to hide that story from coming out. Now, here's the trick to this being an election fraud case felony. The Federal Elections Commission has already taken a look at this case and decided, no, it is not worthy of prosecution.

The Department of Justice, who maintains jurisdiction over federal crimes like election interference, has looked at this case and said, no, it's not worthy of prosecution. But going outside of his jurisdiction and in order to extend his statute of limitations, Bragg is attempting to make the case that these payments to Stormy Daniels were or should have been marked down as campaign contributions to Donald Trump in his pursuit of the presidency in 2016. Again, the FEC, no, the DOC. No, the DOA. Joe, no. The Manhattan District Attorney, yes. Point number three to know over the next four to six weeks of this case against Donald Trump, the testimony. The two most important players in this trial

will be former Trump attorney Michael Cohen and Donald Trump. You see, Donald Trump doesn't just deny that he did this in pursuit of the presidency. He denies he did it altogether. He denies that he paid money under the guise of an NDA or more salaciously hush money to Stormy Daniels. Daniels, for her sake, by the way, has gone back and forth on that. She has given testimony both ways as to whether or not she received payments of Donald Trump to keep quiet. It's going to come down to Donald Trump against Michael Cohen. Michael Cohen will get on the stand and say, this was the deal that was made with Donald

Trump. I would pay Stormy Daniels and he would really. burst me through the guise of legal fees. And that's how we would fraudulently conduct business to hide this story in pursuit of the presidency. But here's the trick. Michael Cohen is a liar. He's a self-admitted liar. He has been convicted of perjury. He's lied in front of Congress. He's lied in court. He's lied publicly. He's lied over and over. He's not someone who, sitting in a courtroom can be granted even a semblance of credibility. And you will take that against perhaps the testimony,

but certainly the position of the defense for Donald Trump, who says no, this did not happen. That is not the deal that I had with Michael Cohen. The other testimony that you will hear today and into tomorrow, most likely is the publisher of National Enquirer, David Pecker, who will testify that Trump had a deal with the National Enquirer to conduct what's called Acknowledge. a catch and kill scheme, again, not illegal unless evidence of a wider conspiracy to

affect an election. A catch and kill scheme is a technique among certain journalistic outlets to pay money for a story, exclusive rights to a story, and then kill the story, never publish it, thus making it go away. But whether or not Pecker establishes there's some type of background to that type of scheme with Donald Trump, it's still going to come down to the veracity of Donald Trump versus Michael Cohen, taking you to number four. The jury. The most interesting thing to note at the outset of this trial about the jury is it has sitting on its panel two lawyers. Now, most people, most trial attorneys would never, ever allow a lawyer to sit on the jury. Here's why. They become super jurors. They take over the room. We've talked here in the

Wilcane show how one juror can sway all other 11 in the jury box. And you know who's going to be most likely to do so? A lawyer. Now, you've got two lawyers, and they were allowed to remain on the jury with somewhat at least the consent of the prosecution and the defense. Now, the most likely reason for that is that in the end, the Trump team will try to impress upon these lawyers that regardless of the facts, this is a misapplication of the law. I have no doubt that lawyers in New York City are the same as the greater voting base of New York City, 85% Democrat, 85% for Joe Biden. But it's an interesting gamble to say, yes, but at the end of the day, you are informed, you are a lawyer, and you should very least know better about the application

of the law. Because if not, it takes you to number five to know about this trial, the outcome. The outcome of this trial is not about justice. It will not be about what is the end result of this once every appeal is registered. It is about what you can get a result of this. It is about what you can get a jury to say at the end of four to six weeks. And the gamble is that Bragg can get a jury that is 85% Democrat to say at the end of this, regardless of the application of the law, convicted felon Donald Trump. It will most likely not survive appeal. And if it survives an appeal in New York City or an appeal in New York State, it doesn't survive an appeal to the United States Supreme Court. That is almost guaranteed because it's that week of a case.

legally, but it's not a case about the law, it's a case about politics. And the win in politics is, quote unquote, convicted felon Donald Trump. That is something they hope, not that will survive appeal, but that will survive until November. That is what you can expect. Those five things are what to watch for over the next four to six week. in the trial against Donald Trump. All right, coming up. Can we take a quiz to guess the audience score of various movies on Rotten Tomatoes

and does that lead me to a place where maybe there's something left to watch on the internet? That's coming up on the Will Cain Show. Fox News Audio presents Unsolved with James Patterson. Every crime tells a story, but some stories are left unfurbed. finished. Somebody knows. Real cases, real people. Listen and follow now at foxtruecrime.com. I'm so worn out. I'm mad at myself. Like, there's, I can't tell many times over the past

couple of weeks I've said, why did you just spend time watching that? And I'm not talking about love is blind. That was time well spent. But I'm talking about any of the other movies that I've watched on Netflix or Prime. I've hit the bottom, man. I've hit the bottom. There's nothing left to watch. It's the Will Cain Show streaming live at Fox News.com, the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Hit subscribe right now on YouTube and you can watch every future episode live or catch up with interviews, monologues, from past episodes of the Will Cain Show. Just hit subscribe on YouTube or on Apple or on Spotify. Guys, I mean, I'm in New York City today. which means I've spent the last couple of days in a hotel room.

And when I'm in New York, I watch way too much. I don't even know. It's not even junk. I'm just like, why did I spend two hours doing that? Is nothing good? I agree. I'm the same way. Good to have you here, by the way, in New York. Love to see in person. But I'm the same way.

I was this weekend, I was literally watching as much as I could trying to find something. And I felt like I hit the bottom. I'm not proud. I'm not proud and I said to myself we'll read a book like there's nothing left to watch now I will tell you this morning on Fox and Friends

Anzzy Earhart said I've got something for you to watch I said okay listen I'm gonna sell you guys on this show okay she said it's British all right it's a you guys know how I love human experimentation shows like I love anything that kind of like

makes us reveal our own psychology that's why I like love is blind and Lawrence Jones told me I need to watch The Circle, which is a reality show on Netflix. I watched that one. Is it good? It's terrible, but fine. Yeah, it's good.

Is it a human experiment type thing? Absolutely. To the most extent it could be. Oh, I'm in on that. It's fascinating. Yeah. Well, listen to this. She sells me on a show called, I think it's called Naked Attraction.

Here's how it works. They do a lineup, like a police lineup of people. Do you already know? I've seen a trailer. Really? Yeah. They do a lineup of people. people like five people and it's like I'm here and it'd be five women and they they raise a curtain

or a wall and I get to see their feet right and I start making comments and then it goes a little higher up to the knees and I take in the calves and I make some judgments right and and I haven't seen this I'm just this is how it was sold to me and then it goes all the goes up and I mean now let's say it's a woman judging dudes, right? Now you're waist high, okay? Now you're waist high and you're judged, waist down. Where have we gotten to in society? My goodness.

Are you not curious? Are you not entertained? And then they keep going. But I don't know, I guess the payoff has got to be at some point they reveal the face. So you make all these judgments and then, and then of course, you know, personality. What about their personality, Will? I was just going to say that that's where you should start with. But tell me, you're not.

not in on that pitch. That's an elevator pitch. And I'm like, tell me more. Yeah, you know that that boardroom where they're deciding shows like that. They're like, that's a great idea. Let's do that. Naked people, let's go. It's kind of reverse dating game. Yeah, which could work, I guess. Yeah, reverse dating game, but you just incrementally let them see the person. I really like that person's kneecaps. I'm in. I like him. That's what people are talking about kneecaps. I was trying to be PG over here. All right, if naked and naked attraction is not for you, we've got to get to see if there's anything left

as we scrape the bottom of the streaming internet. So, tinfoil pat, tried to pitch us on this, like, Rotten Tomatoes alt site, of course. Which I've never heard of. Yeah, right. I just like to get on the ground floor, you know. Nice haircut, by the way. Yeah.

He softened it. Yeah, he did. He softened that hard line. Last week, there was a more hard part. Last week, he was more all right. Today, he's a little more, he's got, he moved the part to the middle and used a little less product. Yeah. It's much more approachable.

So you've got some rotten tomato scores. We're going to see if we can guess these things to see if it's something that we should watch. Yeah, audience only. because there's a big discrepancy between audience and critics. Well, yeah, let me just put this out there, Patrick. So I took screenshots of them. So I have the both reviews.

So I have the audience and the critic score next to each other. But we'll go with the one that's on the right. Okay. Yeah. All right, how's it going to work? You're going to ask me the movie and I'm going to try to guess the score?

Yes. And we're also going to have the audience. hopefully play along in the chat so if you guys are listening in the chat try to guess what you think the score will be and we're watching you in the chat always yeah we have our eyes on you just so you know we're made yeah just like the people to read it yeah and read it i like by the way i like how people in reddit are like they're secretly watching us at all times now all right what do you got patrick all right so let's go with the first one um Godzilla X versus Kong the new

Empire. I mean, I scraped the bottom, but I haven't watched Godzilla. Well, maybe I saw one of the Godzilla's. I have to admit, I just can't remember if it was Godzilla versus... This is the newest one. It's the newest one. I'm five years back I saw some Godzilla. I thought he was versus

somebody. That's what I thought. I was very confused when my son told me there was another one that was out. They just made this one three years ago. Apparently there's another one because they can't stop recycling movies. So So audience score for Godzilla versus Kong.

The funny thing is, I don't think the audience does much middle ground. They're like the Bible. They're like, you know, don't be lukewarm. I'll spit you out. They go hot in the 80s, 90s, or they go cold in the 20s, 30s. So I'm tempted to go 60s. I think the audience likes Godzilla versus Kong. It's positive.

Someone in the chat said 33%, they think. No. I'm going 70. 2% A little lukewarm Should I release the Go ahead That would be 91%

I knew it's going to be high The audience loves it They love that one I love the audience I don't look at the critic score anymore I just look at the audience score You trust this You're going to see Godzilla versus Kong

I will Absolutely It's true populism What do we got next So next we have The new Ghostbusters Frozen Empire It appears to be a

trend about regarding empires in Hollywood right now. So this is the newest Ghostbusters. I believe some of the other Ghostbusters returned from the original movie. So no lady Ghostbusters in this one. The Rotten Tomato audience

likes to have a good time. And if I might, as much as I appreciate, and I like the Rotten Tomatoes audience score over the critic score, I do. But I don't dismiss the critic score. I factor it in I think the audience

sometimes can go for some things that I would find unfulfilling so like I'm not sold on Godzilla versus Kong I watched Roadhouse recently and I watched it with the fam and because we did it we sat outside always always a smart choice if you got good weather

sit outside watch it it was not a waste of two hours but if I'd watched Roadhouse by myself in a hotel room I would have felt like I just drank three bottles of Jack Daniels, did, you know, four lines of Coke, and I was on the come down here and hate myself. I'd hate myself for spending two hours watching Roadhouse in a hotel room by myself. And so I'm a little skeptical of the audience sometimes, because I'll bet your Roadhouse is way up there. I bet your Roadhouse is.

I'm giving you nothing with my face right now. Okay. I've been talking so much. I even forgot the movie we were here. God, Ghostbusters, Frozen Empire. Oh, I think the audience is really going to like It's new. It's popcorn. They like that kind of stuff that I might sometimes find unfulfilling. So I'm going to say the audience is at 88% on this Ghostbush. And some people in chat are saying someone said 42%, someone said 70%, someone said 70%. So this is the new Ghostmasters. Greg Walker gave it a three. Wow. A three. What is it? We see you, Greg. Will is the closest. Oh, my name. 83%. He's starting to understand, I think.

Yeah. I mean, I like to be in. You know the people. people. You're in tune with the people will. I like, I'm a popular. A man of the people. Yeah, you're the man of the people. Yeah. All right, what do we got next? The will of the people. Our next movie is one you just talked about.

It's 2,024's Roadhouse. Okay, all right. So, I figured we need to see, you know, what is the audience agree with you? It was so bad. It's not so bad to it is. Connor McGregor walked around like this the whole time. I loved it. Smiling.

You have to lean in. It knew it was stupid. There was a scene where, Jake Gyllenhaal I don't know spoiler I'm sorry about the spoilers he ran a dingy into a boat at full speed head on collision but he jumped

out just in time listen to me now he jumped out just in time and bailed into the back seat of the boat who was amazing it's incredibly realistic and at that point I said no wife this is this is awesome yeah like you have to lean in on the silliness of it Jake Gyllenhaal by the way real quick did you like Conair

Conair yeah Love Conair. Yeah. Okay, I love Conair. We just watched Conair a couple weeks ago, and I'm like all in on it. We got some guesses in the chat for Roadhouse. Do you want me to throw them out there?

Yeah, let's do it. I already know where I'm going to go. All right, we got a 90%, 58%, and 270%. It's higher than 70. The audience is going to love this movie. They're going to love it. But Jake Jillen-Hall, Connor McGregor, too. They're jacked as all get out.

Yeah, I heard Jake Jolenhall put on like 20 pounds of muscle for that movie or something like that. Yeah. I'm going 90. Well, you've got to leave a little room for some prestige films. So I will go 91%. You know, this is funny because this is the closest one to the critics. Yeah. Within 7%. Do you think the audience...

53%. I think the audience will sometimes hold remakes against them, like they liked the first one. Yeah. But Ghostbusters, maybe they've remade Ghostbusters so many times. Now it doesn't suffer from being... compared to the first Ghostbusters. I bet you the audience is holding this against the first roadhouse. And I did the thing.

Did you have a person you watched it with watched the old one too? No. Because my fiance had never watched the old one. So we watched the new one first. She's like, this is terrible. And then we watched the first one. I'm like, you'll get it. You'll get it.

The first one against you're like, this is even worse. Yeah. That's the other thing I was forgiving of this because you've just forgotten. The old roadhouse is campy. Yeah. It's very campy. Yeah. And I don't think it would hold up for my boys.

Exactly. So, and there's another theme on these movies. They're all remakes of other movies. So, or remakes or, you know, continuations of those films. So our next movie is actually an older movie, The Parent Trap, 1998, with Lindsay Lohan. Oh. I'd like to throw you off a little bit. But I'm doing the 98 movie?

Yeah, you're doing the 98 version, not the Galey Mills, 1950s version. With the younger Lindsay Lohan. Yeah, I never saw that. You never saw this It's a classic I think it's a Disney movie It's a Disney movie I was in my 20s

It is Quaid I wasn't gonna go see a Disney Like parent family movie At that point in your life You're just not gonna do that So I've never seen it Um Audience

It's it's high though Because I mean I've heard of it And it was a Lindsay Lohan heyday Yeah Yep So she played a twin of herself She was pretty normal I'm going 81%

81% Uh-oh That's at 70% The audience But this is where the critics gave it 87% Much higher So it's kind of confusing I mean it's a classic

But You're saying this version is a classic Yeah For like kids my Like millennials my age Like 1998 I was 10 You know it's a classic for our age It wasn't a bad

It wasn't a bad little film I know a lot of people Who will call it their favorite movie Really? Mostly girls are age yeah mostly girls I forget this movie exists yeah

huh yep all right one more yep one more last one Tim Burton's Charlie in the chocolate factory

this is the one with Johnny Depp playing Willy Wonka yeah so it's a little slightly older even though that

terrible abomination just came out with Timothy Chalamay I saw that right I could have used that one but no I decided

I don't think Johnny Depp one's going to do well I think he was creepy for mass audiences and I think it was it is the remake

from the famous Gene Wilder version, right? So I bet it's low. I'm going to go like 32%. People in chat are saying 50%, some said 80%, and it is over said 50%.

51. 51% Nice work. Audience score. 83% with the critic score, though, which is wrong. This is terrible. I feel good about my finger on the Pulse of America. Roadhouse was my big one that we missed on. Probably a lot of tens and zeros mixed into this one.

Yeah, for sure. Really creepy. So are we going to watch Naked in a Naked Attraction? Yeah, as a group. Sure. I think we should do that as a show and... We'll just live stream it. And have a review.

I have no idea where it is. I don't know where you watch it. I have no idea. I have a website. You could get all the shows. You might do a website. James has some website. Well, let's do it.

Maybe I'll do the circle. But Naked Attraction deserves a viewing and a show breakdown. I think so. Homework assignment Tinfoil Pat I'm going to see where if I have the streaming platform now

Well let's not do it live on air No we're not going to do it To go home and tell everyone my boss Assigned me to watch naked people on a show We got like three roommates You know Oh it's on Max 20-something year dudes

Yeah probably I've got something for you They're going to love it All right That's going to do it for us today here on the Will Kane Show Hit subscribe Apple, Spotify or YouTube Tomorrow, David Sacks, tech investor, huge outspoken guy against the war in Ukraine.

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