Will Cain Country - Former NFL & FSU Quarterback Danny Kanell On The SEC, PAC 12, & NFL

Episode Date: September 13, 2024

On the Friday sports episode on The Will Cain Show, Will sits down with former Florida State & NFL Quarterback and the co-host of the Cover 3 Podcast on CBS Sports, Danny Kanell, to discuss if the SEC is overrated, whether or not the PAC 12 can be saved, and what the future may hold for Deion Sanders should Colorado underachieve this season. Plus, Week 3 of "Will Versus The Experts." Can Kanell give the Experts a boost after two straight losses against Will?   Tell Will what you thought by emailing [e-mail]   Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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radio stations across this great country, but always on demand by subscribing at Apple, Spotify, or on YouTube. It's a cane on sports. edition of the Will Kane show today. We bring my old friend in from ESPN, Danny Cannell. Danny is the host of the cover three podcast on CBS Sports. He's also the host of Dusty and Danny on Sirius XM. Played quarterback in the NFL. He played quarterback at Florida State.

So what a great opportunity to not only have another episode of Will versus the experts. I'm 5 in 5. Smoked McLevin, Andrew Perloff last week on Canaan Sports. and the experts are only 2 and 8 so far on the season. Can I beat Danny Cannell? But we're also going to talk about the expansion of the Pact 12. What kind of school is Florida State? And Dion and the SEC, here is Danny Cannell.

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the SEC? I do not. I think I have been somebody who has held the SEC in check. I have zero problem. Do you realize I made a statement the other day. I said there are three teams in college football that have proved to me like they are not fraudulent. They are 100% legit national championship contenders. Georgia, Texas, and Tennessee. All three of them are in the SEC. Like, I have no problem giving kudos to teams that are good. What I don't like is when you start getting credit

for beating teams that aren't very good. And we're like, well, that's an SEC opponent. Like, I mean, it'll be interesting to see because, you know, Kentucky loses to South Carolina. and all of a sudden, South Carolina, I think it's really good. Like, it's still Kentucky. Like, what are we doing? Like, it's a nice win for South Carolina.

But, like, let's do it. But then LSU goes to South Carolina, and it's going to look like a huge win if they beat them. I think it's a game they should win. You know, like, there are some really good teams in the SEC, but it's not quite like this. It's your personal, it's your personal windmill that you tilt your, you tilt your lance towards the SEC.

But is there any fan base in America? who hates the SEC, it has more of a personal axe to grind than Florida State. I mean, if you ranked fan bases that hate the SEC, you would rank Florida State number one. I don't know, because Florida State fans, I think, realized there's this chance that they could be a part of the SEC fans. I think Ohio State fans maybe hate them more, especially because there's been such a run,

and they did beat Alabama, you know, is on the way to their 2014 national championship. run. You know, there's some, there's some other ones. Florida State might be up there, though, though, Will. We're not here to talk about the knolls. It is off to a way, rough start. And you know what just, you know what's so disappointing to me is we just have a fan base that is so humble and so classy. And they're just rubbing our noses in dirt off the start that we've had. And all we've done is just win the games last year ahead of us. And we get left out of the playoff. And we handled that with grace and class.

And now they're going to come back and just show us up like this. I just, I'm shocked at the way we're getting treated right now. Were you, were you one of the guys, my producer, one of the producers here on the Will Cane show is like the biggest Florida State fan, so much so that he's like, I can't believe I'm texting with Danny Cannell. But he did not handle last year with grace and dignity. And I don't think he's ever forgiven Kirk Herb Street. And somehow Herb Street received the majority of the hatred, which was not a singular opinion.

It was, I'm not going to say 100% approval rating, but pretty wide-held opinion that Florida State may not be one of the top four teams in the country. I don't remember what you did at that time, Danny, but did you go after Herb Street and what's your relationship like today with Kirk? He's blocked me on Twitter, so I don't know how it really feels. So this goes way back. This is like seven years running. But let me see if I have my Kirk sucks t-shirt over here that I could throw on. I was sent one from by a bar, Madison Social in Tallahassee. And I was like, should I wear this?

I'm like, no, I don't want to go to that. Because like I when I see Kirk in person, like we're always pretty good. He did block me on social media. And I think either he forgot or he's just like he doesn't like me on social media. He said, I'm a different person on there. So he caught a lot of the vitriol because he was probably on the biggest platform when he was on with McAfee. And he was on with McAfee and very nonchalantly was like, why are you going to put Florida State out there? They don't have the quarterback.

Like they're not that good. This isn't even complicated. And was very flipping about it. And where I was surprised with Herbie was that he is a football guy. His dad was a coach. He played. And I felt that he would be the guardian. of all things that are right with the greatest team sport that we've known,

and he would defend a team's right to play for a title because it's supposed to be next man up. Like Ohio State, we're just talking about them. They won with their third quarterback, Cardale Jones, National Championship. And instead, I think Kirby got a little bit personal and wanted more, a better matchup for him to watch and call. You know, and then you could say, well, that's better for. for college football, do we really want to see a blowout?

I didn't like how he made the assumption that it was automatically going to be a blowout, even though a lot of people had that opinion. I would have liked to see Florida State get a chance at Michigan with that defense, the way they were playing. And it might have been gross, but I still felt they earned that right to go there. And it was no one's, Herb Street did catch a lot of the criticism. But I also saw Dan Arlowski, Joe Tessitore, Jesse Palmer. There were quite a few that had death threats, which of course,

that's the fringe, the lunatic fringe of Florida State fans because the majority of us are you a hero? Are you a hero in Tallahassee? If you go into a bar more so than even your playing days, the way you have ridden for Florida State with your media platform, has it made you more popular with the Seminoles? Probably. I think a lot of them like they don't even care.

Well, now that I'm getting older, a lot of them don't even remember me playing like the younger crew. So they're like, we love you pounding the table for us. It wasn't always this way when Florida State made the first playoff. off against Oregon, I picked Oregon to win that game because I thought Florida State was incredibly up and down. And so they were like mad at me. So I fully realize if I did pick against them, this very fickle fan base could turn on me just as fast. But right now, yeah, I'd say I'm drinking free at a lot of places in Tallahassee. So let's talk about the SEC.

So look, as a as a Longhorn fan, you know, we're new members of the SEC. I don't have this like I don't have this reverence for the conference that obviously the founders do. And like the people jump into my feed. You're not even real SEC. Wait to me. I don't care. It's not an insult that bothers me. You know,

but I, so I think I can say this in objectivity. The SEC did rise in prominence to the point where it's unassailably the top conference. And I was talking with my crew about, you know, when that happened. Because now, and why it happened also. Now the cynical members of,

perhaps the Florida State fan base and staff of the Will Kane show will say, well, it's the SEC network. That's when it happened when they got ESPN. But I don't think it's easy. I mean, ESPN's powerful. Fox is powerful, and they have the Big Ten. And Big Noon kickoffs getting more and more popular, it seems like, every week. So they have their own vehicle, and yet it's still not at the level of the SEC.

So then I was thinking, Danny, well, okay, I really think it started with Bama and Alabama's rise. But then I started thinking, no, you've got to back that up more because it started with Sabin and LSU. And then I got to thinking, well, I guess it's Nick Saban. Like Nick Saban is the reason for the SEC. And then everybody had to get into an arms race. And they did. And to your point, it's not all the way through that every team is great, but everybody, everybody's trying. Like South Carolina's trying.

The point is the whole conference is invested. And they're in an arms race to keep up with what was the leader in Alabama, now Georgia, and maybe soon, Texas. And that seems to be what started the snowball to me for the SEC. I don't know if it was a concerted effort or not. Like, I don't know if Mike Slive, who was the commissioner 20 years ago before Greg Sanky, I don't know if he sat down with the coaches, with the athletic directors, and said, we're going to make this the best conference in all sports in college.

And we're going to make this our motto. because it, and I think it probably started back when, you know, LSU was left out of a national championship game, or Auburn was left out of a national championship and defeated. There were a couple teams that were left out of the conversation. And I think that's when they started saying, well, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're the SEC. We can't have our best team left out of the national championship game. And so all of a sudden there was this very, I thought it was very, like, it was a collaborative effort, coordinated effort. to come together and start every time you heard a coach talk and say, well, we have the tough schedule in the country. You know, no one plays in the conference. We have the best conference. And it was, and at the time, this is, even when I was at ESPN, because I do, now I do it more in jest. I have more fun poking at the SEC. Like, I'm not going to try to sit here and say the ACC is better than the SEC. Like, they have absolutely, I think they spoke it into existence. It was always like this manifest manifestation of we're the best. We have the best players.

We have the strongest teams. We have the best teams. We have the best. atmospheres. And there was always a little bit of truth to it, but it kind of rose everybody up into now where it's not really even a conversation. And so it did help them tremendously by having the perception of them being the strongest conference in college football. I think it's probably all of it. I do think Sabin's, you know, dynasty really helped. But before that, it was LSU. You know, Florida had an incredible run when Urban Meyer was there. Like, there is just, you know, they do have more passion and insane fans than any other conference. And I think that's helped.

You know, like it is a tough place to play. And they're in a sport where there's money. I mean, they were taking advantage of a look the other way, like when there's money being passed, system before there was an IL, which I do think help them collect most of the talent in college football. And now they can do it above board. And so it's only getting to be the place where all the talent goes even more so. Hey, help me understand Florida State, meaning this.

I have this working theory. I've talked about it. I mean, I don't even know it's a theory. It seems to be a fact, but it's a theory that you can apply it to almost every state. So the University of Texas, it's 50,000 kids. You're going to have every kind of student there. But let's say you're from, you know, private school, Houston, Dallas, or Highland Park or Kincaid in Houston. These are the wealthy areas of Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio.

They're going to, in disproportionate numbers, gravitate to the University of Texas. and small-town kids will gravitate to A&M. And it's a little more of a Houston school. But I think you can do this with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State. Same dynamic, right? You could do this with Mississippi-Mississippi State. And you can do it with a lot of states like that. Florida is harder for me to figure out.

Like, is Florida the University of Texas of your state? And then Florida State would be the A&M? Like, what kind of kids and what kind of fan base? And I have a place that I'm going with this in a second for a bigger conversation. But just out of my own curiosity, I don't know Florida that well. So who is Florida State? I think that's a pretty accurate assessment. There are a lot of commonalities between Texas and Florida.

There's an arrogance there that I think is seen in Texas in the state of Texas. I think that's with the Florida Gators. I do think Florida State, I mean, it was kind of a redneck school when I went there. I mean, it was I bought my first pair of cowboy boots so I could fit in when we went out some of the bars at night. There's a lot of country music playing, a lot of pickup trucks. a little bit more like rednecky crowd what's that florida state different crowd of florida state yeah florida state's like that got it yeah florida state was like that florida i would say they had a medical school we didn't they were a little bit prided themselves on being a better academic institution

florida state was the number one party school in the country right we had better looking girls you know there's was the the when i went to florida state the girl to guy ratio was six to one because it was an all-girls school until in 1947 or something like that and it was two guys to every girl at Florida. So like we were pretty well known of having better looking girls because there were more of them, right?

So yeah, there was that dynamic. But here's the interesting thing that I don't think of all those rivalries you mentioned, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, like the upper hand, the bigger brother had more success, right? Texas has had more football success than A&M. and Oklahoma's had way more football success than Oklahoma State.

Ole Miss Mississippi State probably the same. But in the rivalry in Florida, we had our national championship first. We had three before they had theirs. We had more NFL draft picks, like, and we beat them more often. So we came to prominence, I think, before them. Even though they had Spurrier won a Heisman trophy in the 60s, like we caught up to them really quick. And that's why that's probably the most heated rival we were. with the most hatred and vitriol between Florida State and Florida.

Don't forget, we have Miami, which is unique. They're kind of like the SMU. If SMU have never gotten a death penalty. Like smaller, private, rich kids' school, go to Miami, except Miami was the team we respected more because they had five national championships. So we always looked at them as like that was what we aspired to be. Florida State, Miami was the, yeah, honestly, when I was a kid, my buddy and I picked sides on that.

I picked Miami for what it's worth, but I mean, I don't care now. But, like, you know, when you're, like, a young teenager and you need to have somebody playing for it. And, like, I remember adopting the Cleveland Browns because this was when the Cowboys were terrible before Jimmy Johnson, just to have something to root for on Sundays. I liked Bernie Kosar. So I took Miami. He took Florida State.

I think he had family connections. So wide right and all that. That was huge growing up between those two schools. Now, here's why I bring it up, though. I'm thinking about the Pac-12 expansion. It was just announced. yesterday that it's it's going to be boise state colorado state fresno state and san diego state and i was just thinking about danny i'm like i can't profess to know everything about those schools

but just like his brands i wonder how they arrived at that because they left out in my mind a bigger brand in you and lv now that may ref you and i are about the same age that may date me to well i'm thinking of stacey augman and larry johnson and you know jerry tarkanian they left out Wyoming, and maybe it's because I'm from Texas, I just think of Wyoming a little bit as like a brand. I know they had Josh Allen, but I don't know. Fresno State isn't a brand to me that seems level of Pact 12. San Diego State does. I see that. Maybe Colorado State. I'm just curious what you think about the kind of schools they're inviting into the Pact 12. unimpressed like you sound like with the move that was made to create this six pack of schools

here's what i think is happening because clearly the mountain west in pack 12 or pack two have been talking they've been having discussions there was even some conversation should they merge together and maybe become one conference where basically the pack 12 would join the mountain west but you still keep the branding those talks fell apart i think this is the first stage because they got these teams from the Mountain West to come first, right? And so I think they are, that's the next move, because they only have six and they need eight to be recognized as a formal FBS conference. I think they're going after 10 to 12. And all of those schools that you mentioned, I think are in this conversation. UNLV, I think UTSA is another one in Texas. They

would love to try to pull out of the American. The Air Force Academy, I think is another one. I think they still would go after. I think this is just the first domino of this new, you know, reimagination of the Pac-12. And I hate, I hate all this. I don't know how you feel about it. Like, I hate the conference realignment. I hate what it's done to college football. It's always been a sport that's been about history, tradition, and regionality. And we've blown all of that up in the chase, in the pursuit of money, right? Which is, I mean, it's, the sports never been healthier from that perspective with coaches making more money, schools making more money, and now even the players making money. But I think it's come at the expense of college football

fans. Well, let me ask you about one of these teams, a big 12 team. By the way, UTSA, I just can't imagine that being a Power 5 conference brand, even if they're good at football. Like you bring that up. It's just, and they are. They're on the way up to be better at football, but that's just not a Power 5. I'm not trying to be snobby either. It's just, it just isn't a Power 5 conference brand. but Colorado okay we have to talk about them you know I know it's racist to recognize this but they're not living up to their hype they're not good they got stomped by Nebraska and I think it's an interesting conversation about how long can you live on hype and I'm not like like you mentioned earlier I'm not speaking it into existence I'm not rooting against Dion but I do think at some point

you have to live up to your hype and I wonder where this is headed where this is headed for Dion I mean, right now it looks like it's a train wreck about to unfold the way things have started off this season, especially the game against Nebraska, because essentially you have a case study and two coaches going that were hired the same year. You had Matt Rule hired the same coaching cycle that Dion Sanders was hired at Colorado. And I get the Nebraska has better resources, better tradition, probably a better NIL, but you still do have coach prime. and they have done pretty well in the portal, but you have two completely different approaches by these coaches. Matt Rule, he does a combination, a little bit of portal, but then he goes to the recruiting ranks

and brings in the highest rated quarterback in Dylan Ryola, who we saw on display looks pretty special. And he developed players that were on his roster. Like he didn't just clean house. He worked with what he had, tweaked it a little bit, taught them the fundamentals, gave them a scheme to start learning. really built it up that way to where I think Nebraska has a chance to be undefeated when

they go to Ohio State. And that's seven and no. Like it's not, I think this, this team is legit. And then you've got Dion who's done it completely different, not one year, but two years in a row, he has completely overhauled the roster, like 50 new players. And he said, you know what, if you're not good enough, I'm cutting you, as opposed to maybe developing a player, working with him, you know, trying to, you know, teach him the game of football. He's trying to gone out. and just get the talent out there, which you'd have to question their evaluation of that talent based on what we've seen early. But it is really a sport that does coaching matters. And I know I've always called it a talent acquisition business, especially at the top. Like Nick Saban is one of

the greatest coaches, but he's also probably the greatest recruiter the game has ever seen. You pair those together and you have the dynasty that we saw. You have to bring in talent, but you also have to know what to do with it. And they have not. succeeded in that era in that space where they are struggling mighty and now you've got all these new pieces every single year turnover when you're dealt with adversity you find out what character you're really made of and then last year we saw them lose six games to end the season we saw players kind of quarreling we see coaches get fired this season early i totally agree with you this colorado state game they're only favored by a touchdown Colorado state all

a sudden is talking a little smack which is kind of roll reversal if they don't don't lose if they lose this game which i do think there's some pressure on colorado they become irrelevant which is probably coach prime's worst nightmare right he wants to be in the conversation where does he go where does he think he goes from here if it doesn't work at colorado like i sat there and thought i'm not sure a hundred percent that he goes down meaning it's almost as though a promotion was written into the script for dion sanders that you know i don't know why what that promotion is. Was it going to be Auburn? Not now, but there was talk about Auburn. Like, I'm talking about a big program. Can he fail up? Or does he, or does he from here fail out

if it doesn't work at Colorado? I think he could fail up if it was six and six, seven and five, which looks like a long shot now, but it's right around where their win total was. You did have Travis Hunter. You still do. And Cheduer Sanders, who are, you know, Cheduer is one of the top quarterbacks in the country. I think he's crushing his NFL draft stock the way he's handled some of his success the way he's handled press the way he's handled adversity i thought you want to hear the the the upward trajectory i thought for dion do you remember when early last season he said i'm not interested in the nfl right now i'm not going anywhere like he brought that up like as if nfl teams were interested in him before he had even you know really had any success at

colorado i think that's where he wants to go he and he's always coached his son at every level Pee-wee, high school, Jackson State, Colorado. He's brought his sons with him. I think his dream was to go to Colorado, win with them enough, parlay it into the NFL, and try to get that opportunity. But there's no chance he gets that. Now I think it's very much in doubt whether he's back at Colorado next year. Because I think Colorado would take him back. But if this team is already struggling and if they're below 500, which I do think they will be,

what are they going to look like without Travis Hunter and Shadur Sanders when you have to go find another quarterback who maybe doesn't want to have the spotlight on them like Shadur. So this is, it's going to be really interesting to see how this year plays out for Dion and for Colorado. All right. Can Notre Dame make the 12 team playoff? Was losing to Northern Illinois?

One loss on your record. Is that loss to NIU so bad they can't make the 12 team playoff? Are you an expand? Did you want 12 teams? Yes, I did. Me too. What has driven me nuts is I've had people that pounded the table, said, no, we need to stay at four so the regular season matters.

They have said, see, this is why you don't want to expand because that game didn't matter. I think it absolutely does. I think it's like 0.5% chance that Notre Dame gets there. First of all, they have to fix all their issues. Then their schedule isn't great. They don't have that very many resume builders. I think the teams that they would be comparing resumes against that were 10 and 2, I think you hands down would probably take those 10 and 2,

assuming they didn't lose to a group of 5 team. And then the fact that they don't play in a conference is going to kill them too. That to me would be the one saving grace that could bail Notre Dame out if they could still be a conference champ. They don't. So without that game and that kind of extra data point, I think they're on the outside looking in already. So yeah, I do think it was devastating.

barring them dominating the rest of the way, which again, they're only a touchdown favorite against Purdue. Like, let's try to win a game first before we talk about, you know, making the playoffs. Yeah, I mean, the only path that I would see for them is their best victory would be over USC. They have to handily beat USC. The other one would be Florida State,

who's 0 and 2 right now. Right. And then they would need, I honestly think they need Northern Illinois to prove to be maybe the group of five teams. the champion, the, the playoff entrance into, into, from the group of five. If that played out, then I can see the argument for Notre Dame over, you brought up a two team. I, I wouldn't be surprised there's a three team, a three lost team in, in the playoff.

And here's your, here's your SEC bias coming through. Here it comes. I know where you're saying it's coming from. I know it. What if your resume, what if your resume is having lost to Texas, Georgia? And I don't know. I don't know who plays, you know, if anybody plays Texas Georgia. Alabama. What if you're Ole Miss? You know, you got three losses. I mean, versus Notre Dame who lost

to Northern Illinois. That one would be a, if you've lost to three teams, were they the best teams? Did you keep them close? I wouldn't, I would, I would, you know, it all depends on how that unfolds. You know, that would be a really interesting dynamic if that one did. Because I do think you have to play better opponents than Notre Dame does. And they play a lot of ACC teams, which is kind of killing them, especially like they needed Florida State to be good. they do play Louisville who is undefeated so far their top 25 that could be a signature win you gave the recipe though i think if USC somehow won the big 10 which is a lot you know i think it's probably Ohio state maybe Oregon if northern Illinois was the group of five highest ranked that they're the

12 seed then maybe they'd actually probably be the 11 seed Notre Dame would have to be the 12 seed then or if louis won the acc like they need to beat one of the teams on their schedule needs to be in the playoffs to me that they have beaten for them to be you know in the playoffs but i just i think it's way too much to ask for those stars to align for notre dame to get in all right let's do a little episode of will versus the experts the record so far is i am five and five the experts are two and eight picking college and pro games against the spread i pick the games danny um it's basically only based upon games i'm interested in like what do i want to watch this week right so I don't research it according to like the best bets.

And by the way, the games that I'm interested in may not be the games you're interested in. I actually ran this week by my, by my producers. Like, am I the only one that cares about these? And the answer was kind of yes. But so we'll do that. But we're going to start in college football. I'm interested in the two spite bowls, okay? I'm interested in Oregon, Oregon State and the Apple Cup, Washington versus Washington State.

Just because there's so much spite and emotion in these two. So we'll go one at a time. And there's a theme to my picks this week, and it's going to be about overreaction. But Oregon, Oregon State. I know everybody loves Oregon, and I think they're good. Not as good as everybody probably thought, at least at the outset. But 16.5 points is a lot at home for Oregon State, and they got to be angry. They got to be spiteful.

So I'd take Oregon State and the 16 and a half. I'm going opposite to you on that one. Now, I will say I have been 0 and 2 backing the ducks. early. I backed them against Idaho, and I thought they would fix their issues against Boise State. They get run all over. I'm a little worried about Oregon State. Like they have Jonathan Smith left, their coach, Trent Bray takes over. They've been okay. I think this is the get right game for Oregon, although I've thought that for a week now. But I'll go ahead and lay them with Oregon. I think they get the best of them in this one. The Civil War, let's go. One of the

all-time great rivalries. Civil War. We're not supposed to call it something. Okay, Apple Cup then. Apple Cup. Are we not supposed to call it to Civil War? Is that politically incorrect? I think so, yeah. So don't tell anybody. Really? I didn't know that. It is a great name for rivalry. Like, if you're ranking names, that might, that's better.

I know, no offense to Bam and Auburn. It's better than Iron Bowl. It's better than Red River rivalry or Red River Shootout or whatever it's renamed for political correctness every year. The only one that rival Civil War would be Bedlam. I think Bedlam's a great for rival. That's a good name. Yeah, I like that one.

Apple Cup, Apple Cup, not quite as, not. quite as entertaining the sound of that name. But I'm, again, I'm going to go with the side on spite. Washington State's favored. This is the only favorite, by the way, I take this week. Washington State, neutral ground in Seattle, lay in four and a half against Washington. I take the Coogs. I like the Coogs as well. Are you sure they're favored? Let me see. I think they're the dog. I got Washington. Oh, you're right. Yeah, Washington is favored by four and a have. And I like Washington State to win. I'm with you. I like Washington State to win the game. So now the reason I didn't like Oregon State, they have entirely new coaching staff, not entirely new. They elevated from within.

But Jake Dickard has been the coach at Washington State longer. Mater, their quarterback is off to a strong start. Washington replaced. They lost almost, they lost every player except for two on their two deep. When Caitlin DeBore left after last season's run, I think this is where that kind of national championship loss. hangover season comes come to come to effect. So I like Washington State here to win outright. I'm with you. I'll take the points. Okay.

Now, I'm interested in this. I'm interested in this game, and it may be hangover from sort of all the years of paying attention to the big 12. But Arizona wasn't in the big 12. And I find them interesting. I think their offense, Noah Fafita, their quarterback. And then I don't know if I know how to say his name right, but Tritorio, McMillan, the receiver. Teteroa.

Is that I say right? Teterroa, McMillan. Teterroa McMillan. he's awesome he's a stud um and i i read all about this matchup i did and it's like it does add up to kansas state because kansas state runs the ball or arizona has trouble stopping the run Arizona throws the ball are you going to be usually you go with the grinded out team that can run the ball and control the clock and keep it away from the offense but i think just for fun just i want to root for Arizona for some reason and root for that offense so i'm taking arizona

what was your number on this game would you have seven i get seven okay perfect now what do you do with ties you just count them as ties just push yeah i haven't had one but i haven't thought about okay perfect because i feel a little bit nervous about this one i don't like taking the favorite tetero and mcmillan had 304 receiving yards in the first game not the first two games in the first game this season he's an absolute beast cooled off a little bit kansas state was in a dog fight with Tulane. Tulane's quarterback torched them. Here's the difference.

Avery Johnson, by the way, Chris Climman said, Will Howard, you're probably not going to start here because we like this young quarterback so much. So Will Howard goes to Ohio State, probably gets a pay raise. You talk about failing up.

Instead, they go with a young guy who runs a 4-4. I think that's the difference in the game. I think they've been saving Avery Johnson's legs at Kansas State. I think he goes off, has a big game, so I'll lay the points. Give me the home.

favorite. I'll take Kansas State. By the way, there was an article, Danny, up on ESPN by Bill Barnwell talking about the rise in running quarterbacks, talking about Avery Johnson, but running quarterbacks in the NFL. It's really interesting. What percentage of quarterbacks have gone from, like Randall Cunningham in the 90s was an outlier. When Michael Vic was doing it in the 2000s, he was one of about three or four guys because I think he had years with like Dante Culpepper and a few others that were serious threats with their legs. And I think he was saying today. I don't know if it's 50, 50, but it's getting there on number of quarterbacks who

legit, like we're talking about designed runs as well, like Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hertz, designed run quarterbacks in NFL. I think the pocket passers extinct. Like the true pocket passer, I don't think you see it. When you look at 40 times, I bet they want you to be at least a 4-7. You know, when I was coming out, it was like you had to break five. Like if you were, you know, that was my goal. I just didn't want to have. have a five, so I ran like a four, nine, you know, something. So I was like, just don't be five. I wouldn't, I wouldn't even probably be drafted because they want that athleticism now.

Because of the numbers game, it gives you such an edge in the run game. You don't have to do it all the time, but it just gives you an advantage that they have to respect it. The true pocket passer, I think it's a thing of the past, even like a Quinn Neuer, so I do think he's the top overall pick. He's pretty athletic. Like, he's not Lamar Jackson, but he can run a little bit, you know. And so I think it's, I think those are an extinct, the,

Dying breed. Okay, over to the NFL. I've got, these are the two games I want to be paying attention to. Bucks, Detroit. Now, this is my overreaction. So I think Detroit's good. I really do. But I think the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are pretty good as well.

I'm not saying they're like, compete for a Super Bowl good. But you get seven points in the NFL. That's a lot of points for Tampa Bay on the road in Detroit to stick. around with the lions, I'm going to take the Buccaneers, plus the seven thinking everybody is overreacting to the Lions. You sure we're not overreacting to Baker Mayfield's four touchdown passes against Washington? You sure? Are you sure we're not reacting to that?

I'll take the lion. Give me the other side. And so I think this is you go, what is he like Travis? Is that, is that Baker Mayfield? He's one of those lakes in Texas high schools. Like that's one of them, right? Why is it bothering me? which one is he is he south lake is not west lake one of them he's like travis i think you're right

he he's lake travis one of the lakes he's good that's why you're picking him i'm going against it i'm going with the cali swag of jared golf dating a swimsuit is he married to her now the swimsuit model i'm going but i do i actually like dan campbell i don't think there's any let down for the lions that dude's built a culture there that's pretty pretty tough would you take jared golf over deck prescott Ooh, I'm a big DAC fan. I'd probably take DAC. I think, actually, you'll appreciate this. I picked the Cowboys to get to the Super Bowl.

You did? Yeah. I think they lose to the Ravens. I haven't lost to the Ravens. I don't think that you look like, and I don't think I do as either, and you know I show is in common. I don't think I look for the way the crowd is going

and try to go the other way. I think it just comes instinctually to me. I think it comes a little instinctual to you. Like everybody is popular, or the Cowboys, that's when you go, no, no, no, after three straight, 12 and five years, this could be the year. Yep, I do.

And I actually do like Dak. I think all he, because his numbers are incredible. He's just got to get through in the playoffs. And it was ugly last year, I know. Yeah. I think this year, though. All right. Finally, last game.

Again, overreaction. I'm going to regret this one because there is a little bit of a bigger conversation here. But Cincinnati going to Kansas City, I've got Cincinnati getting six. Danny and I'm going to take the Bengals plus six and a little bit like you said about Oregon in a get right game like but I am worried like Joe Burrow at some point has to be the guy everybody thinks he is what are you doing is he injured he's been this is him all last game like every time he came over he's like grabbing his hand there was a conspiracy going around about how he lifted

the water bottle which was really dumb by the way I saw that I mean, it was really dumb. Here's where I'll go with the Chiefs. The Bengals for the last several seasons have been notorious slow starters. The Chiefs bringing in Xavier Worthy, I mean, that was like since they've been without Tyree Kill, they have looked like they're still awesome. But they looked like they've lacked the big play player. They went and got the fastest guy at the draft. And I was like, man, is he ready for this?

He looked ready against the Ravens. I think he can absolutely blaze. I do so but burrow does play really well at arrowhead he's the type of baller that does rise to the occasion like this that makes me a little bit nervous but I think they're going to slow start Jamar Chase is still like it seems like

he's got a little attitude he wasn't happy about the number of targets last week so I'll back the chiefs at home that's probably my least favorite like which way do I go but I'll go opposite you just just to see how we do we're on opposite side of all but one game I've got the bingles Danny's got the chiefs I've got the bucks Danny's got the Lions.

I've got Oregon State. He's got Oregon. I've got Arizona. He's got Kansas State. And we're both on Washington State. That's Will versus the expert this week. All right, man. Always love hanging out with you.

Appreciate you being on the Will Kane show. You got it. Great catching up, man. There you go. I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Danny. Cannell. Remember, check him out at the Cover 3 podcast at CBS Sports or Dusty and Danny on SiriusXM.

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