Will Cain Country - Former President Trump’s ‘Presidential Immunity’ On Trial At SCOTUS With The ‘Ruthless Podcast’

Episode Date: April 25, 2024

Story #1: They finally launched the war against ‘Zyn.’ Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) isn’t focused on anti-Semitism on campuses, yet he’s focused on ‘Zyn’ and is engaging in “guerilla warfare.” Story #2: Do Presidents have immunity from prosecution? And can you tell someone’s politics by look at theirs face? AI says yes. A conversation with Holmes, Smug, Duncan, and Ashbrook of the Ruthless Podcast. Story #3: The highs and lows of entertainment, a preview of the NFL Draft and junk TV.   Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm left stumbling around Dallas looking for peppermint and having to settle for. That's stepped on smooth. Two, do presidents have immunity from prosecution? And can you tell someone's politics by looking at their face? AI says yes. So, alas, the guys of the Ruthless podcast. And three, the highs and lows, the bottom of entertainment, naked attraction, and the height of entertainment, the NFL draft. It is the Will K.

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I always pictured that the Zinsurrection would be more noble. I pictured us making a stand against Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer. Chuck Schumer, again, the highest ranking publicly elected Jew in the history of America, not so much focused on the anti-Semitism at Columbia, but instead ensuring that New Yorkers, and for that matter, Americans cannot not get access to the little nicotine pouch that has no relationship to tobacco and therefore no relationship to cancer that has grabbed a hold of young, and in my case, old men across America. If you don't know what Zen does, trust me, your teenager does. If you don't know about Zen, just ask a college dude.

Everyone, I mean, I'd say right now the two biggest unwritten stories in medicine that are just flying under the radar. You just could walk around in society and ask, is that person on this? or is that person on that are Ozympic and Zen. And the answer for most women is yes, they're on Ozympic, and the answer for most men is yes, they have a little nicotine pouch in their cheek. It's called Zen. But here's the thing. Zen is under attack.

There's a lawsuit in San Diego, alleging they're targeting minors with their flavors. Again, to state what needs to be known, there's really no negative health effects of a pure nicotine pouch. cancer is caused by tobacco the problem is the delivery mechanism it's drawing smoke into your lungs it's even as has been the case admittedly throughout my life putting a pinch of tobacco in your bottom lip that is the relationship to cancer tobacco nicotine has no relationship that we know of to cancer it might have a relationship to an increased bit of high blood pressure but you know

what doesn't have some negative health benefits? And on the whole big curve of things, nicotine is not the worst thing to ever happen to someone. Now, that being said, I'm not proud. I'd like to quit because I have no control. It's got a hold of me, and I don't like being undisciplined. And here's the thing. I thought the Zenurrection against this government attack on Zen, by the way, now owned by Philip Morris after buying it from Swedish Match, would be much more noble.

But here I am, man, going into convenience stores and gas stations. in Dallas saying I'll take a can of peppermint six and the clerk inevitably looks at me and goes sorry man no you know there's there's no and did I do an accent I did do an accent because I like truth and accuracy they're out and all they've got left is coffee and smooth so I did smooth for the first time out on coffee don't like my mouth to taste like syrup and and you know like bubbles in the wire I'm over here taking the knock off because that's how it's got a hold of me and immediately did I realize there'll be no insurrection. We're just going to be

zombies shuffling around asking for on soon. Do you have any of that rogue? This is horrible, man. It's bad. And like everything else in America, they did it surreptitiously, they did it under the covers. Now, the story is, there's an inventory problem. I don't know. Maybe that's due to popularity. Again, I'm telling you, it's super popular.

Maybe the demand, as the Wall Street Journal was written up recently, is just so out of sight that Philip Morris can't keep up with, you know, 25-year-old red wing wearing dudes out there who need a pinch after coffee and before a drink. Maybe that's a sign of big business, but I have a feeling there's something else going on here, you know. That's where I would lean on tinfoil, Pat, producer of the Will Kane show. There's something.

You know, if you squint your eyes, you know, read between the lines, there's something going on here. It's guerrilla warfare. It's really, really, you know, uncivil type of stuff here. the attack on Zen. All right. Did you know that AI says they can predict whether or not you're liberal or conservative based upon your face? Plus Donald Trump is before the Supreme Court of the United States to answer the question of whether or not a president has immunity from criminal prosecution. Let's get into all of that with the guys of the ruthless podcast next on the Will Cain Show.

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That's next here on the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page. Subscribe Apple, Spotify, or on YouTube. They are the hosts of the very popular Ruthless podcast, and they're joining me now on the Will Kane show. It is Josh Holmes. comfortably smug Michael Duncan and John Ashbrook Fellas

great to have you again on here on the Wheelcane show Well, what an electric opener by the way I don't think since Letterman someone's had an opener that good I mean this is just first-rate material

I can't imagine anything I'd rather less time I want to talk about all of it all the time Zinsurrections NFL drafty mixed in Yeah This is basically our discussion

over the past week Oh, fantastic I'm hyped I'm I'm embarrassed John I know you're a fellow Zimbabwean that you're a Zenner a Zendl I don't know what your flavor is but man this is a step down for me I'm telling you you're out you go to the store and the clerk is super sad he's like I'm sorry my man no peppermint I'm like what do you have what do you have you know I'm like okay I almost walked out yesterday John he's like I've got smooth and in coffee and I've done my dance with coffee and I've done my dance with coffee, out on coffee. And so I left the store. Well, I started to walk out of the store. I'm like, nah, I don't do those things. And then, you know, he kind of, as I'm walking out, goes, inventory problems, weeks. And I'm like, weeks, give me that can of smooth. You can't have it. It's bad news over here in Zimbabwe.

I got plenty of peppermint. I can just mail it to you. I mean, I'm happy to share, buddy. I'm really happy to share. You missed, we did a road trip a few weeks ago. And on the way back, we had a stop and get gas. We had like a kind of a tour bus type situation. Smug gets off the bus and he's gone for like 10 minutes. And we're like, what the hell's going on? He's just like abandoned us. I mean, is he in the rest facility?

He comes out and he's carrying two massive, like moving boxes filled with Zinz. Cases. I buy them in bulk at distributed. Really? The clerk had to contact the owner of the store to make sure it was okay to go and back and just pull these things out. for it yeah these these boxes were like the size of like a like a pizza box just full of zim so i mean that really thing is you don't know what the stupid

government is going to do with this stuff like i remember there was a day when um they were going to take away uh what's the what's the what's the vape one jewel oh jules yeah they were going to make the jewel puzzle so i hit up every store in town and cleared out their inventory and i'm sitting on like you know a three year supply of that so if it comes to any nicotine delivery mechanism, like, I will outlast the roaches in a nuclear war. Yeah, you know, the thing I think is super, super interesting about Zen. A lot of people talk about, like, you know, it's a great way to relax. Maybe it's nice after you've had a beer, you know, to relax with a Zen or whatever. But like in the same way that we study

the loss of economic productivity during like March Madness, I feel like we need to study the inverse. And that is, there's nothing better than like a cold brew, iced coffee in the morning with a Zen 6 to be super, super productive for the first two hours of the day. It's the best. It's the best. I mean, I guess that's like the entry level approach. Do you all four? I like a Celsius and two sixers. One on each side and get rolling. So that'll leave you with the shakes. All four of you guys, Zinn? All of you guys? Yeah. Yeah. Yes? Yeah. I got my, My citrus right here. Yeah, sometimes I go back and forth.

I like a camel snooos. And so I just, sometimes when I'm playing golf, I pop a snooose in. Here's the thing. I'm not proud. I actually want to quit. I want to quit every day. And I want to quit about 1 p.m. No, no, no, 2 or 3 p.m.

That's when it starts. Because smug, I mean, or actually, it was Michael that said, the best one of the day is the morning after coffee. It is the best that I never want to give that one up. And I like the one after dinner a lot. I don't want to give up that one either. But the ones in between are not enjoyment. Their necessity.

You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm not doing it because I'm excited about it. It's because my body is saying, do this now. And then I'm on the roller coaster. And I don't like the roller coaster. I'm on the energy roller coaster all day long. And, you know, my Fox and Friends coach, Pete Higgseth, also, by the way, fellas, a dude. You know, he vaped and did coffee.

He's quit at all, which he's totally an all-in or all-out personality. But he's like, my energy is even. And that's what I do wish that my energy was even throughout the day because I am on a Zen roller coaster throughout the day. So I would like to quit. I just don't want it at the hands of the government's force. I just want to chew. I'd rather be personally disciplined.

I mean, that's understandable. But, you know, I say sit back, relax. enjoy the ride, you know? I mean, if they're going to take it away at some point, I might as well enjoy it. Well, I've got it. You're right about the Chuck Schumer thing, by the way. Yeah. He, like, declared full-on war against it. It was unclear what he was going to do about it. Maybe you figured this out with the inventory piece of it, but it seemed like it was a bro uprising in the making. You guys are all in, I think, the D.C. area, so I don't know if this is hitched, but it is a thing

in Texas, and I've now spoken to some guys on social media, like, now there's a real inventory issue. And I don't know what's causing the inventory issue, but we're hard up. California, Massachusetts have outlawed flavors, so they're used to live in this life of poverty. But, you know, here in Texas, this is a new thing. And so I guess I'll be having to buy it in New York on the weekends. Let's talk about, let's talk about presidential immunity. This is actually a hard one, guys, I think. Maybe not for you.

But so today at the Supreme Court, Donald Trump's attorneys, because he's stuck in court in Manhattan, we'll be arguing for presidential immunity to dismiss the case, Jack Smith's January 6th case, against Donald Trump. The presidents should have immunity from things done while they're in office from criminal prosecution. And, you know, the argument is if you don't have immunity, then the opposition power, when they come into power, can use the DOJ. and then as to go after a former president. And then as such, every presidency will be colored by decisions through the prism of criminal liability. And that's not how you want a president thinking or doing while he's making decisions that are supposed to be in the best interest of America. It makes a lot of sense.

It also makes sense that, yeah, there are some situations where I don't know about presidential immunity from prosecution. Like, this is the requirement of doing this from a legal analysis. We can't just say, as applied in this case to Donald. Trump. You got to think about it as applied to any potential future president and whatever actions he may take. Yeah. No, I mean, look, it is a very delicate balance, right? And I think this has been litigated a number of times over the years. I think most recently during the Bush administration as it pertained to presidential immunity with national security decisions. And I think very clearly the court ruled in that case that the president does have immunity from prosecution because they were

acting in the best interest as they saw it of of national security and the american people and that i mean that's clear cut but as you laid out the other side of this coin is you could expand that beyond that to get into some real hairy territory where people are openly uh conducting criminal acts and if there's no nothing you can do about it that's the other side of the coin and so the court here has to find a balance um i think they probably would have loved to a love to a avoid this question, to be honest with you, coming into it, I think, through the lower court decisions and everybody else, you listen to guys like Turley and Fox and everything, they think that the broad sort of definition that Trump's team's laying out is probably not going to hold

a ton of water in that they're more likely than not to rule against them, but they're not just going to rule against them. At least I don't think so because it's precedent setting for, as you said, many presidents to come. Yeah, I mean, the thing is, I think it's just like Holmes described, is there's this wide area of where it can be argued. And of course, the Trump legal team is trying to expand it as much as possible. And, you know, the question really comes down to what leeway does a president get in order to execute their duties in office? Because if they completely shut down the ability of a president to be president, I mean, the next thing you know, you could have murder charges against Barack Obama for Jones. striking a U.S. citizen. Was the guy a terrorist? Sure. But hey, I mean, if you don't have a

judicial precedent of being able to unilaterally kill an American as U.S. president, then it's a murder charge. So that's, I think that's a good point, smug. But back to Holmes's point here, is I think what we're ultimately going to get is a clarification from the United States Supreme Court of what qualifies as an official act of the office of the presidency. And that's the most important thing. And I think the wrinkle in this case is, you know, that Jack Smith case is about what Donald Trump did after the election in challenging the election results, could you call that an official act of the president of the United States, regardless of who it is? That's going to be an open question. I think it's going to be a hard thing for the Trump legal team to prove it is.

Yeah, but whether or not this is dismissed because of immunity, I mean, I think the real crux of this particular case is all centered upon the First Amendment. You know, it's interesting, you know, not Donald Trump was exercising free speech and whether or not that First Amendment protected right can be punished in a criminal court of law, you know, he wasn't calling for direct violence. I mean, the standard of the Supreme Court, Brandenburg, you know, direct calls for physical violence. I don't think that anyone can make the case that something like that happened on January 6th. It's funny you bring up Obama and droning an American citizen smoke. I remember that. I was on CNN back then. And that was like almost.

like a little bit of an appetizer to where we have arrived today. It was this, it was this issue that divided politics not cleanly on right and left, right? Like, all of a sudden, it's like, does the president have the power to kill an American citizen? And like you said, yes, he was a terrorist. But without, you know, does an American citizen not have the rights of American citizenship when, when abroad? And has he sacrificed those by engaging an acts of terrorism? I just was thinking back when you're talking about that, how the whole world is kind of scrambled Now, that was one of the first scrambles when it came to foreign policy and Democrats and Republicans. No, I had no question about it.

And, I mean, look, there's a lot of war on terror era stuff happening there, whether it was renditions or Guantanamo or whatever, where the courts actually laid out a pretty good predicate for a whole bunch of things here. But what they didn't ultimately decide is how far presidential immunity goes. And in this particular case, you know, I mean, as you said, the jacksmith stuff rises and falls with how this decision is made it will not speak to the facts or the fact pattern of post-election 2020 it will not speak to a first amendment component it will not speak to anything other than this very narrow question as to whether or not a president while serving as president in the commission of potential crimes is actually liable for those crimes and you know i i reiterate that because i think it's important for everybody to understand like

each one of these cases is building upon the ability to prosecute a larger case, which at some point, you know, we may end up here. I mean, may not. I mean, it's been going on forever. They may not get to it at all. If they elect President Trump, President November, my guess is he's probably got some ideas about where that case goes ultimately. But that's ultimately, whether or not you think that Donald Trump is guilty of crimes or not, we're a long way other than. New York from getting into that conversation at all. Let's lean into this idea of scrambled political lines for just a moment.

I didn't produce and plan to talk to you guys about this, but looking at the four of you guys sitting there, I know you have a divergent set of opinions, at least, yeah, you guys aren't of all one monolithic mind. And I don't want to do this for too long because I've done it for the last two days on my show. Two days ago, I had David Sacks, you know, VC investor, PayPal, noted dove and skeptic of the war in Ukraine on my show to not just make his case, but I played devil's advocate.

I'm sure I played it poorly. I'm sure I failed for any Hawk to adequately push back on David Sachs. But I had that on and it caused quite a bit of reaction, you know. And again, it was like the left and the right, mad at that conversation, mad at platforming David Sachs. But beyond the platforming debate, which I find stupid, I am kind of curious, what is What is the spectrum of opinion there sitting at your table on the American interest in the war in Ukraine? Well, I think we've ranged, right?

It's a pretty wide spectrum, I'd say. Smug is probably, I would say, the most soft on terror. Yeah. I don't want my tax money spent. The first border we should secure is our own. That's basically it. Yeah. I mean, I'm maybe the most aggressive.

Duncan, we found in the fields of libertarianism, and has sort of migrated closer towards a center position, I think. I mean, I think I'm just kind of pragmatic about the whole thing. I don't like the fake arguments that are being made in the debate of, oh, well, we can't, you know, help Ukraine defend its country because of the national debt. I don't think that argument actually holds water. The argument on the libertarian right, I think, is really they don't think we have any business being there in the first place, which is a fine, fine argument.

But what I also don't like from that sort of David Sacks, Dove world here is the sort of minimizing what has actually happened in Ukraine and talking about it as a territorial dispute in these oblasts in the eastern part of Ukraine. It's like we all got that MIB, the men in black thing, and we forgot that, like, Vladimir Putin tried to march on Kiev. He tried to topple the government of Ukraine. So, like, his ambitions are far greater than this dispute over four provinces and Ukraine that are Russian speaking.

We should just be open-eyed about that. But do I ultimately think, like, this latest aid package is the thing that's going to break Vladimir Putin and they're going to regain all their territory? I don't know. You know, I really don't know. Yeah, I think we had David Sachs on the show at one point, which I'm glad that you had him on because I think it's so important to have this range of views in the Republican part. not everybody's monolithic not everybody's a big trump person not everybody's a big romney person you know like there are so many different points of view on our side and it's important to have the conversation which is kind of the kind of the point of our show to be honest with you i mean my my own view on this i grew up in

the 80s rooting against the russians i have a hard time not rooting when there's a chance to to take shots at the russians and we don't have boots on the ground actually executing it i also agree with smug i don't i don't understand why on earth we're not taking our own border more seriously and i think that our own border should have been a big part of anything that moved to spend money on something that's happening over in and uh ukraine but um you know i i i don't have a problem with ukrainian shooting russians yeah i think that's probably it's just i uh you know i i think uh man And to Duncan's point, I do have questions about Putin's ultimate ambitions. I don't think he's like, Mr. Nice Guy.

I think he is trying to reestablish spheres of influence that give him a buffer of protection that historically Russia has wanted against Europe. I don't know what that means. I don't think that means necessarily he's going to try to roll tanks through Poland. But I recognize his ambitions exist. I just don't know how malignant they are, and specifically how malignant they are to the American an interest, like, how it serves America to be concerned about the future of Lithuania. You know, I just, I don't think history repeats. It may rhyme, but like, I just, I find the

hyperbole of he's Hitler. He's going to roll. You got to stop him, you know, at the Sudeten land. I find that not compelling. I find the propaganda, as you point out, I think you said it smug. I find it just, when you treat Ukraine like you treated COVID, and I don't want to be reactionary, but all my antennas go up. Like if your response to anybody that goes, hey, maybe we should debate, you know, war, if your response is, wave the Ukrainian flag, yell shut up, and censor me off the internet, I'm like, hmm, that's not a very strong argument. I don't know. It's just weird. Yeah, I think that's entirely right. I don't want to be reacting. I don't want to react to their passion. What's that? I know I think that's entirely right I think there's an awful lot of people that fall into the category that you just described right I mean how many times can you lied to by your government and believe what they're saying about something as significant as war and peace right so I think any kind of skepticism should be welcomed in anything that involves life and death whether it's in this country or anything else I think the one piece that everybody sort of minimizes here is how the world fits together and how American interests aren't just blood and treasure of the moment. It is the spheres of influence around the world. Like

it was hard to mistake when Chinese President Xi decided to make a total alliance with Putin in this war against Ukraine, knowing that he is also staring at Taiwan, knowing that it came within months of us disastrously pulling out of Afghanistan, giving up a whole bunch of resources in the process, not only just American military equipment, but a whole bunch of different mining and resources within the region that the Chinese have now sort of gobbled up and begun selling back to us and all kinds of people who are now reliant upon Russia or China or Iran, which clearly don't have our best interests at heart for their economic well-being, right? So like, I mean, a big, big problem with this at the outset of the Russian-Ukrainian

war was the fact that germany because some 13 year old crazy lady had convinced the government there to basically have be entirely energy reliant upon russia so they couldn't figure out how they could actually be angry about a existential threat perhaps to their borders because they were relying on the people they were doing the existential threat thing and like that begins to cascade and i know that that's like you know you're accused of globalism you're and you're accused of when you but it's important to think about because American markets like cars for example take take Joe Biden's theory that we ought to eliminate the gas powered car here in America by 2032 that's a real

proposal they really have that if we were to do that we would be entirely reliant upon lithium mines and the batteries manufactured in Taiwan and China in the rare earths that are in Afghanistan that in the rare earths there in Afghanistan that we just turned over by the way the Chinese and our economy. Your ability to get from point A little is get A to B in this country is entirely relying upon a foreign power that doesn't have your best interest at heart. That's why all this stuff matters from my perspective. And I actually, I find that one of the more compelling arguments. I said this to Sacks. I had Senator Mark Wayne Mullen on my show and he kind of made

that like America First Interest of like, well, you know what, Ukraine's pretty rich in resources and minerals and we want them. And I'm like, well, okay. I'm not afraid of that argument. That at least makes some sense, you know? When Trump said we should have taken the oil in Iraq, I'm like, make sense. Should we have kept the minerals in Afghanistan? Yeah, after 20 years of war, makes sense. But I do think that you need to make that argument honestly to the American public,

and it needs to be offset against how much of this can we actually do at home? Do we need to be involved in these things? Because we're pretty resource-rich ourselves. So, I mean, you know, I don't know which side that debate weighs out on. But I'm willing to have that debate. Just don't wave the Ukrainian flag and yell at me that we're protecting freedom like we didn't arrive. I think we need to take the Ukrainian wheat fields and make them Ukrainian zin fields and we can solve two problems at once. We can knock two birds out of the air of one stone.

It's a hell of an idea. There we go. Can you make nicotine out of wheat? Now you got me, Duncan. To kind of tie all this together also when Holmes mentions Afghanistan, I think the elephant is, in the room is kind of, I'd say, like the trauma and the bad taste left in the mouths of Americans following Iraq and Afghanistan

and seeing that over 20 year experience of foreign policy. And for a lot of folks, the problem can be distilled down to something as simple as we didn't have a defined mission statement. What was the goal we were trying to accomplish so that once we can check that box, we know that's what we needed to get done, and it's over.

And so we have not been- And his president is unable to make which is part of the problem right I mean that's why I've never been told what what is our purpose are we trying to topple Vladimir Putin are we trying to take back every inch of land that's like we don't know what our money is being spent on so that's extremely frustrating right and especially after we see okay well we've already made significant investments in the past and then now the Taliban's driving around the Humvees we paid for right right let's keep scrambling political lines so this is my I think this is my favorite artificial intelligence story. So apparently artificial intelligence can take a look at your face and tell your politics, which I love because that's what we're all doing anyway. We're all looking at each other going, look at him. He's a huge lib.

Let's see if we can do it. I had my producers. I have my producers. Like, you know, I'm going to say, John's got a conservative face. Like, you just look at it, and you can tell. Dude's conservative, right? Me, and I would say smug, me and smug are suspect. You take a look at us and you go, I don't know about that guy.

It's the shades that do it. Let's take a look. I have my producers. My producers pick some photos. And now I told them, I don't want you to, like, go after somebody. We're not going after anybody. But they're not famous, but they're not nobody's either. So there's your first face.

I don't know if you guys can see that. Liberal or conservative, for those listening on podcast, we're looking at like a, I'd say a, 60-year-old man, full head of gray hair, rimless eyeglasses. And what I would say is a happy smile. And you know what? Because of that smile, that smile, he's liberal. That's my vote. Huh.

I don't know, man. This is the kind of guy. Like, he raised a family. He's got a couple of kids. He got him through college. He's got a business there because clearly he's got a suit and die on. Maybe that it's not his face. I shouldn't be looking at it.

But he kind of looks like a dude is sort of towards the end of his career. He's kind of wrapping things up. He's got a big smile on his face about it. Things have generally gone pretty right. I have never seen a liberal of that age smiling. I have never because something is terribly wrong. They've got a problem. They've screwed something up.

They're regretting it. They're upset about the way that life has treated them, even if they're very wealthy. Yeah. And they don't do a lot. Well, I'd also point out that that photo has a brown. background, a brown suit, and a brown tie. He went totally monochromatic here, which tells me conservative guy at a J.C. Penny photo shoot, I'm going conservative. Wait, wait, wait, Duncan, those are great observations. But you know what? I think I was

subconsciously looking at the same things, and I was thinking professorial. That's why I went to a little professorial with the earth totes. Except the horn brim. If he's going professorial, they make more of a statement with the glasses than that guy. That guy's got kind of a thin rim for a professor, right? They make a statement with that. Let's see. All right. You guys ready for the answer. Let's see. Two a days, Dan. All right. He is a lefty

liberal, this guy. Lefty. Called it. Yep. Nailed it. Yep. That guy would have me totally bamboozled. All right. Next one we got here. What do you got, two of days? All right, what do you guys think? Flip.

The secret to this, Will, is that smug, any face he looks at, he just calls lip. If it's not a pair of Oakley's with a selfie in your truck, lip. It's true. All right, that guy for the audience, that guy for the audience listening on audio, I'm going 56, you know, mostly brown, black hair, little gray in there. very very slender face this guy looks like he might he might exercise that makes me think he's a lib um he's either how about this he's liberal or he's a UK conservative that's that's kind of where I am on this guy so I'm assuming he's America that's great call it's funny you say that he looks like a Brit to me yeah he really looks like he's British he's so like we're not

Limey, well, it's a limey, clearly. It's like, what are we talking about here? I think that guy, I don't know, he kind of looks like an eye banker to me, which, again, you cut two ways, right? They're sort of like conservative as long as it's their pocketbook, but like, you know, and everything else, very liberal. I don't, I'm, is moderate or not? Can you say like center right or center left?

There's no such thing. It's just lib or not lib. No such thing, yeah. Okay. All right, what do you got to do a day? What is he? I'm going to go, I'll go Lib. This guy is a right winger, right.

Yes. Wow. A right winger. Maybe relatively speaking. Is he from the UK? I don't know these guys' backgrounds, so I just know that if they're left or right here. So we're doing, you know, that's the way we're going here. Okay.

I can't wait for these people to start calling in Will and being like, you bastard. What are you doing with my face? Let's do, let's do one more. Throw one more up there, two of a days. All right. Conservative. Well, that's, okay, bad choice. We all can see the banner in the background.

I know him and he's a lip. I would have gone. All right, all right. We'll go the next one. We'll go the next one. What about this guy? That was a conservative with the media research center. It was, yes, it was.

The previous one for everyone watching or listening was Media Research Center. He was conservative. He looked conservative, by the way, but the banner giveaway. This guy is interesting. Now, this guy, I'm going 53. his face is suffering from inflammation, like a lot of us, so meaning he's, you know, he enjoys his cocktail and his red meat, a little bit of swollen eyes.

I bet he's fun. I think I like this guy. Either way. It was big of him to take the Oakley's off for the picture. I say conservative. Duncan? I think so, too. I'm not all the way, but.

Oh gosh. I don't know. I mean, it's kind of sort of a strange picture. Is this like a profile picture or something? I'm trying to think of the profile of the person who would choose to make this picture. Can I just make offer one observation here? It's a little bit difficult to tell because it's so zoomed in on him. But I think if you zoom out, he's wearing a jacket that he got from work or he got from his kids or something that his wife doesn't love, but he wears it because it's his. And he doesn't care. He's like, well, it's my coat. What am I supposed to wear? You know what? I see the facial hair, too. That's what I say, Duncan, before you go, I see you have an eye for observation. I think we're all overlooking the obvious.

Dude's got a goatee. That's a goatee, right? Am I saying that poorly? Gotta be. He's conservative. That's a hard no. This guy is a lefty. It's very...

I called it. Really? The goatee throws you off, for sure. He looks like Zelensky. He's a lid. Who's doing the goatee these days? I'm really bad at this. That was very popular in the 90s.

I don't know where the goatee is popular today. Prison? Sorry. Let's move. Let's move. move to TikTok. All right. So the government has moved to forced divestiture of TikTok from the Chinese Communist Party from ByteDance. Various parties have, are rumored to be interested. Maybe Microsoft. I think people are saying Microsoft because they just survived an antitrust suit as it is. So they're

feeling a little emboldened. Maybe they go for TikTok. They don't have something like this in their portfolio. Kevin O'Leary, which I didn't know the Shark Tank money was that good. And Steve Mnuchin, former Treasury Secretary under Donald Trump. But the big question is, what are you really buying? Because I think you don't get to buy the algorithm, right? The algorithm stays in China, so you're buying a brand? Yeah, well, I assume there's a whole lot of hard assets that come along with it. I mean, there was like some 300 people who work there.

They clearly have some programming and whatnot for the infrastructure for the app in and of itself. But, I mean, look, just at the outset, well, I think we all are in agreement on this. I'm actually, my only disappointed about this is that it took this long to get this done. There has been so much evidence, so much intelligence, so much documentation of China manipulating algorithms in this country to serve our kids, absolute propaganda that poisons the mind of people throughout this, young people throughout this country. And like, if you get just even a whiff of that, you think it would be the first action that you'd want to do from a national security standpoint.

But like forever, the argument was, ah, the kids love it. Oh, the kids like, oh, yeah, they, you know, I mean, they love stick and forks and electric sockets, but like we try not to have him do that. Yeah. You know, and it's like, it's not the app that's the problem. It's where the data goes and who's manipulating that to serve content in a very real way. And that's very clearly what was happening. Yeah. I mean, I think what you're buying here is priceless.

It's the network effect. network effect. It's the same reason that, you know, even though the algorithm changed on Twitter and the ownership changed, you still see a significant portion of, you know, the movers and shakers have remained there because that network was already in place. And everyone knows if you want to have a discussion, you go to Twitter. And in the same way for that short form video, everyone already knows TikTok is the destination. I think honestly, Microsoft will be an ideal place. Like, you know, if they specialize in making office software, you know that that data is not going to the Chinese government. And I don't think it would be hard to implement an algorithm that works just as well, if not better, and doesn't give the data to the Chinese government. I mean, you have engineers at Instagram who do this daily. You know, it'd be pretty easy to poach a significant number of them to go to the most popular video platform. Are any of you guys concerned that it's a Trojan horse, that now you've let the government into the tent, the camel's nose into the tent, and next comes X. Next comes whoever else is on the persona non-grada list in D.C.? I'm really not because the primary argument against TikTok was that it was controlled by the

Chinese military, and some people say, well, what about the First Amendment? Last time I checked, First Amendment doesn't apply to the Chinese military. And so I think that it's a much different argument to make that, oh, the government should take over X because they just made moves on TikTok. They've moved on TikTok because it was Chinese. I mean, that's the only way to get a legislative outcome out of this. But, you know, I mean, look, your point about government meddling around in private businesses is one that's been going on for quite some time. I mean, that's what the FTC does for a living.

That's a good point. And rejecting mergers and getting involved in businesses. I mean, hell, we saw what the government was doing with all the social media organizations during COVID. So, I mean, that piece has been going on for quite some time. But I think you're exactly right, John. This is a totally separate case that deals specifically with a foreign adversary and their ability to serve content to the most vulnerable population in America. All right. I want to make sure you guys are completely plugged into the news.

I know you do a good job there at Ruthless of making sure you're on top of the latest stories. But the ever-evolving biography of Joe Biden requires almost a daily update. So with some patience here, I'm going to walk you guys through. I'm going to walk you guys through the latest update on Joe Biden. Joe Biden's CV. All right, two a days, Dan, take it away. Besides, I used to drive an 18-wheeler. You know what I do?

That's exactly right. All right, so he used to drive an 18-wheeler, fellas. What in his brain, do you think it's just like, hell with it, I'm going to let all the lies fly? Or did one time he sit in the cab of a semi-truck and he told himself, and he's rationalized that now, I used to drive. I have an 18 wheeler. It's so often, right? It's almost every day.

The cannibal thing last week, the cannibal thing. We love the cannibal story on Ruthless. But, like, you know, he would talk about how he was raised in a black church, that he was raised in a Jewish synagogue, that he was Puerto Rican. Like, you know, I mean, it's every single time he sees somebody that he thinks that he can identify, he just says, well, I'm that. Yeah, I think it also has to do with this advanced age and obvious problems with his brain. Like, Joe Biden, since the beginning of his political career, has been an unrepented liar, like his entire career. But his filter was just a little bit better because he had more of his mental faculties.

You know, so I think we all see this as people enter that advanced age. It's like, oh, me, Ma, no longer has a filter. You've got to be careful when you take it to a restaurant in public. And what you're seeing now is a guy who has always been a liar, and now he has no filter. So he just says whatever comes to mind. The synapses don't fire. Really nice to have him in the Oval Office. That's terrific.

But I mean, isn't it worth celebrating that we have the first Jewish Puerto Rican truck driver in the White House? He survived cannibal. Irish, Jewish, Jewish, Irish, Puerto Rican raised in a black church truck driver. I mean, who, by the way, to play your greatest hit? But who, by the way, his family has been eaten by cannibals, watch. And they became an Army Air Corps before the Air Force came on. He flew those single-engine planes as reconnaissance over war zones. He got shot down in New Guinea.

And they never found the body because there used to be a lot of cannibals for real in that part of New Guinea. It never gets old. Didn't this, aren't we at odds with New Guinea now because of this? Yeah, they're taking great exception. The absolute best part of this was when Peter Ducey asked Karene-John-Pierre about it. And she gave like a very much, how dare you? Yeah. How dare you question any of it?

The man lost his life. He's like, yeah, not my cannibal. You're right. She's good. I mean, she's bad, but she's bad in a way that makes it good and fun. And by the way, here's the latest now. Or more fun. Here, to Duncan's, I think, point in the end, an unrepent liar who now has no control of his faculty's roll the final tape.

Imagine what we can do next. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Pause. He read the prompter all the way through the instructions. The full Ron Burgundy.

It's just amazing. We've gotten to the point where he's doing the Ron Burgundy routine. We have a bit on the program where we talk about the guy that we've affectionately called Bracket Man, which is the guy who has to put out. the White House transcripts of what the president says on a day-to-day basis. And if you notice, on all White House transcripts, there will be brackets. And the brackets are what they're trying to decipher was said, right? Sometimes he just said, like, inaudible. But it's in brackets. It clearly was not inaudible that he said pause there. But like, bracket man's got to get

energized, right? He's got to get in there and he's got to change that transcript, make sure people understand what's said here. right all right uh before we think about each other today let's have uh an observation of question so um i've watched throughout the program here for the last 30 40 minutes and josh and duncan are similar to me you you your desk it's at a nice reasonable height but you often have end up with your hands up high because you put your elbows on the table smug and john I don't know where you got your arms, but I've received a lot of criticism lately for hand placement. I'm the Ricky Bobby of podcasting.

I don't know what to do, and I end up staring at them. They're here at eye level, and I talk, and I stare at my hands like I'm on the spectrum here of political. Not only the political spectrum. I don't know. And Duncan does what I'm – my only other alternative is to grab the mic and fondle my microphone, which I see is something that Duncan does as well. It's a mystery with the desk placement. I don't know how Smug and John have figured it out.

You know, I'm like Johnny Bench over here. Also, I really appreciate that Will's taking his own career in his own hands here by asking where Smug's hands are on a day. This is, I like the location. Let's not threaten. Let's not threaten our ability to air this show. I just say, I think. Me and Ashbrook were raised in, like, hard homes that, like, you sit quietly, your hands at your side, you sit straight, you look right at the camera.

Not me. I'm a fiddler. Bobby Duncan, hold those hands up. Let me see those manly hands. What are we looking at? Are we looking at tens of these nine and a halfs? Would this get you drafted? You know, that's a whole thing, right? Get me in the OJ gloves. We'll find out. You know, they measure these quarterback's hands, and it's a big day. deal. He's a big deal. Jared Goff, small hands, panned out for him anyway. But, yeah, there's like, I can't remember what it is like nine in a quarter,

and I think it's from Pinky to Thumb. I can't remember what it is. But, yeah, if you have small hands, you're dropping in the draft. It's been a big problem for quarterbacks. I don't think anybody's got it this year, though, right? Wasn't that the big thing with what's the name? Kenny Pickett. Yeah, Kenny Pickett dropped, and maybe they were right.

There's always a complaint about Joe Burrow that he's got small hands, but it seems to work out for him. It didn't work out last year. It does. All right, do me a favor is the last thing. I'm going to review this here in about five minutes as my final segment here on the Wheelkin Show. I'm going to talk about the NFL draft, and I'm going to talk about, I'm going to no longer

say who recommended this to me, but I watched this show on, it's in the UK called Naked Attraction. Has anybody heard of it? I don't think so, but it sounds compelling. Yeah, I think you guys should do a review. And next time we're together, I want your thoughts. They take a dating contestant. They put six people in a box.

The slide comes up. They first reveal the bottom half. And I'm talking, no blurs. Everything, okay? And you make your judgments, and you boot one person from the panel of six based upon your judgment of the bottom half. Then they reveal up to the neck, okay? the whole other round of judgment, boot another person,

then you get to see the face, then you get to talk. And I know it sounds like complete trash, because it is complete trash. But there is some fascinating things to take away from this as well. You only have to do an episode or two. But you will come away with some new thoughts about humanity. And that's one of my favorite things. You will have interesting original thoughts about humanity.

It sounds like the first authentic dating show I've ever heard of. I love it. We'll do that for you, Will. We'll get on that. All right. Do one or two episodes. We'll talk about it next time. When we have a cross between Ruthless and The Wheel Cane Show, which I'm loving.

Thank you guys so much. Josh Holmes, Michael Duncan, comfortably smugged John Ashbrook. Thank you guys. I love it. Love having you on. Thank you so much. You're the best. Thanks, bud.

Thanks so much. Good seeing you. All right, there they go. Ruthless podcast. Make sure you go wherever you get your podcast, Apple Spotify, and subscribe to Ruthless. They have fun. They break down topics seriously and they're dudes. And I'm staring at my hands once again.

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newspodcast.com or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. All right, here we go. Big night, big weekend and entertainment. High and low. NFL draft, first round tonight, second and third round. I believe it's still both rounds on Friday night and then four through seven on Saturday. And when they take a break, the guys of the Will Kane Show will be reviewing naked attraction. It is the Will Kane Show.

streaming live at foxnews.com, Fox News YouTube channel, Fox News Facebook page. Please hit subscribe, leave a review, leave a comment on YouTube, at Apple, or Spotify. So it is probably my favorite event of the year. I mean, honestly, I like it more than the Super Bowl. It is the NFL draft. 32 teams, 32 fan bases, completely filled with hope. It's like shopping for men. And I, for one, do my research on the biggest sales.

the best trends in fashion when it comes to the NFL draft. I'm talking about I do every mock draft, every mock draft simulator. I read this last weekend, I read 300 player profile breakdowns by Dane Brugler. I read his other publication, The Beast, which is, God, it's everybody, everybody in the draft. Because then I formulate exactly who I want the Cowboys to get. I know the positions that they need, by the way, offensive line, running back, defensive tackle, linebacker. you've got to figure it out. It's like playing a puzzle. It's a game of how can I fill these needs at this rounds in the draft and so forth. And it's just so much fun. I mean,

I don't know. I don't know how to explain it. And by the way, am I alone? Let me go to the control. To the Willisha crew. Young James, establishment James, two a day's Dan, tin foil pat. You guys like the draft as well, right? Are you guys all in on it? Absolutely. 100%. Yeah. okay like like it's I mean would you say this this is fair right

probably I don't want to put it exactly on par how about this not as good as a game where your team is playing but better than a game where your team is not playing I mean I'd rather it than a random

NFL game a random NBA game I wouldn't like it better than the Mavericks playing I agree I mean, it brings an element. It gives you hope. It gives you, you know, you look forward to something.

You know, as a Packer fan, we haven't had much luck, which is okay. But, yeah, I totally agree with you. I don't know. What do you say, James? Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably better than, say, like, a mid-August regular season baseball game or a mid-season basketball game. Maybe not better than a Sunday. But if it's a Sunday, that doesn't matter, I'll take the draft because there's meaning to it.

I'd agree. James, you're a Pat's fan. Make it quick. Who do you want? What are you going to be excited about tonight? What do you want? Either Drake May or they get just a stupid haul of draft picks for going back a few picks. I don't know about Drake May, man. Okay. Quarterback or trade back and get a big haul. All right, Packers fan, two a days, Dan. Offensive linemen. Need it. Got to protect Jordan Love. Let's go. Go, Pac, go. Yeah, that's not as fun. That's where I am as a Cowboys fan. I want an offensive lineman as well. I need it. We have to be.

to have an offensive lineman. Those drafts aren't quite as fun, like when you're in the market for a receiver or a quarterback. But here's what I'd look for tonight. It's interesting. Almost everybody's projecting four quarterbacks in the top 10. Jay Glazer of Fox Sports was here on The Will Cane Show said, not so sure, not so sure that J.J. McCarty's going to have this big market where there's a run on him, pushing him as the fourth quarterback into the top 10. But you're guaranteed to see Caleb Williams of USC, Drake May of North Carolina, and Jayden Daniels of LSU probably going within the top five picks. What was fascinating, though, whether or not J.J. McCarthy makes his way into the top 10,

he probably doesn't fall, J.J. McCarthy of Michigan, he probably doesn't fall below 11, where the Vikings are picking. And even at that, what's fascinating is you may then see, and this will help two days, Dan and myself, get the offensive alignment we might want in the 20s, is that I am increasingly believing that Michael Pinnock's is going to go in the top 15. So that's five quarterbacks in the top 15. And at that point, it's going to put lot of pressure on every other team that wants a quarterback to jump up and get Bo Nix. And maybe they will, maybe they won't. But the Broncos are reportedly interested in Bo Nix of Oregon.

So it's possible there's a run of six quarterbacks in the first 20 picks, which would be perfect for the Cowboys, perfect for the Packers, and pushing offensive linemen, if you're like the bills and you want a wide receiver, or any defensive player down to teams that need them. And I kind of think that's what's going to happen tonight. I mean, often you'll see some quarterbacks slide, but I don't know. I have this feeling. We're going to get five and maybe six quarterbacks really pushing guys that you want deeper down into the draft. Either way, we will be all over next week on the Will Cain show.

You can check out Canaan Sports. My Friday guest will be Craig Carton. We are going to record before the draft later this evening. But we'll break down what teams could do in the best players on the Friday edition, can on sports with uh you know famed new york sports broadcaster chris carton all right on the other end of the spectrum the lows uh as i mentioned naked attraction i just told the guys of ruthus exactly how this dating show works listen to me i am not don't go home and tell your wife or your husband will said watch this i did not tell you to watch this it is not i mean it's not pornography

it's also not something you should feel comfortable watching on an airplane at all okay you're going to see everything, everything, okay? And yeah, you're going to be like, what is this trash? But my favorite thing about any piece of entertainment is if it makes me think in some way about something. And my favorite thing is thinking about people, humanity. And here is the redeem. I'm going to say this ahead of time because the guys, tinfoil pat, young establishment, James. and two of days, Dan, they're going to watch, they've promised to at least watch an episode or two this weekend.

Here's what you come away with, okay? Here's the redeeming thing. People are not very pretty. They're just not. Now, you could say, well, what kind of people would go on this? And you're right, largely the unemployed, or those that are unconcerned with unemployment. It's also the UK. I mean, not a bastion of fitness.

But what the redeeming part of it is, is that Instagram and social media has made you think that everybody out there is perfect. It really, through filters and poses, and I think there's a lot. For example, I think this is a thing. I think that sixes have lost the ability to find sixes. Because Instagram has made sixes think that the whole market is full of nines and tens. And you can never settle there for for a fellow six. And what you realize in watching this show, and you see everything about people, and they talk about it, and they break down physical attributes. There ain't too many nines and tens floating around out there.

Not when you take out the filters and mess up the pose. And all of a sudden you start realizing, like it kind of is, I don't know, like we should all walk around the world with a little more self-confidence. Because you can't be comparing yourself to the Instagram models and the fitness expert. and the fraud of it all. It's not real. And I don't know. That's the one thing I do like about this. It's so real.

Like, oh, that's what people look like. It's not very good. But it's real. And it is fascinating how people will, I mean, the whole game of it. The fun is, what would you do? You know, like, that's what I do in any of these shows. And Love is Blind or, you know, I don't watch The Bachelor. But that would be the fun of it, I would guess.

Like, no, pick Cheryl. don't pick Cindy you're like oh I'd I'd eliminate this one right she's we're all doing that and so you kind of do that and you think it's obvious in your brain but what's fascinating is the curveball that the contest will throw you you know by the way obesity's an interesting you know curveball in the entire thing like the obese contestants do get eliminated but they don't get eliminated first because I think everybody's doing it well I can't do that one I can't eliminate her first because what does that make me look like? And there's a few other lame ducks in the panels.

You know you can pick them off. They'll never make the finals. So you keep that around a virtue signal and then, you know, it all washes out in the end. But what is surprising is the way that contestants do choose sometimes. They don't go with the obvious ones that I think, whoa, clearly blue is the number one draft pick. And they don't. For their own peculiar, subjective, taste-oriented, human-review. reasons. I don't know. There was something about that. Trust me. There's like 10 seasons of it.

It ain't good enough that I'm burning through the seasons. But you watch one, you're like, kind of fascinating the way people behave. Kind of fascinating the way people really are, the way they really look. That's my best to make something that is trash redeeming naked attraction. That's going to do it from today here on The Will Cane Show. Go enjoy the NFL Draft. Enjoy your weekend. Enjoy the Will Cain Show whenever you can. Live at 12 o'clock Eastern Time at FoxNews.com, the Fox YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page, or whenever you like, by subscribing at Apple, Spotify, or YouTube. I'll see you next time.

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