Will Cain Country - Four CRUCIAL questions for VP Harris & Walz!

Episode Date: August 29, 2024

Story #1: As Vice President Kamala Harris joins CNN for her first major interview as the Democratic Party nominee, while accompanied with her running mate, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, what questions should Harris be asked? Will shares the four most important questions that Harris should answer. Story #2: Who is on your Mount Rushmore for all-time fictional athletes? Do Happy Gilmore or Rudy make Will's list?  Story #3: A debate with FOX News Contributor, Richard Fowler. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, four crucial questions for presidential candidate Kamala Harris. Two, question from the Wilicia. Which fictional athletes would be on your Mount Rushmore? Before I start carving the granite, I have a sneaking feeling I have forgotten someone, someone unforgivable. Three, a debate. before the interview with Kamala Harris with Fox News contributor, Richard Fowler. It is the Will Kane show streaming live at Fox News.com

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and hit subscribe to the Will Cain show on YouTube. A little pre-show question from the Wilicia, we started debating who are the greatest fictional athletes with us characters in movies from sports movies who belongs on the Mount Rushmore. And I knew immediately, I knew my first round draft pick. But in putting together four, I just have this sneaking suspicion.

I'm missing somebody big. I'm missing someone integral. So hop into the comment section. Let's bring you in. Let's start the debate. Let's draft our Mount Rushmore of fictional sports athletes coming up today in story number two.

But let's get after it with four crucial questions for Kamala Harris. And story number one. Vice President Kamala Harris, presidential candidate Kamala Harris, along with her vice presidential running mate, Tim Walts, tonight will give their first televised sit-down interview with CNN's Dana Bash. Much has been made that Kamala Harris has, and the quote of many critics, bringing her security blanket, bringing her running buddy, Tim Walts, to the interview.

And I will say it's not the appearance of strength. but it also is not historically an aberration. Most presidential candidates, including Donald Trump and Mike Pence, sat down for joint interviews in the summer before their November race. The difference being and why it still remains not a look of strength

is that this is the first and only time we have heard from Kamala Harris in any type of quasi-adversarial environment, not from at a stage at a Democratic National Convention, not from an artificial and manufactured and manicured environment, where there's actually the prospect, the risk of a tough question of having to speak off script. And for that first and hopefully not only time,

she's bringing with her running buddy. She's bringing Tim Walts, governor of Minnesota. Now, I don't have a lot of faith that Danabash of CNN will play the role of adversary. Well, maybe you don't have to play the role of adversary. Maybe you just have to play the role of integrity. Someone running for president should have to answer as to what it is they want to do as president. What would be your policies? Someone running for president should have to answer for statements they've made in the past

that are inconsistent with promises made today for the future. I just don't have a lot of faith that's going to happen. on CNN. So we thought today we might offer up as a friendly piece of advice. Four crucial questions. I don't care about the response from Tim Walts. Four crucial questions for Kamala Harris. They are as follows. One, you're now for a border wall. Before you said it was a vanity project and you would defund the border wall. Why change? Two, how long did you know that Joe Biden was incapable of executing the office of president. Three, the riots of 2020 caused untold property damage and loss of human life as crime

rate spiked not just during the riots, but in the years after the George Floyd riots of 2020. Why did you advocate for those riots to continue that they should quote, that they quote, should continue and in fact help to bail out people to ensure the continuation of those riots? four do you believe in the following statement from each according to his ability to each according to his need four crucial questions for kamla harris let's dig into each one of them individually first of all the opening question is almost unimportant to kamala harris i think she's practiced i think she's smooth

i think she will be on script now the idea is you don't know the questions that are coming so you won't know the exact script, but I do have some faith in Kamala Harris' ability to pivot, to ad lib, to filibuster, to word salad her way, into an interviewer going, uncle, I move on a story or question number two. But that would be the biggest failure. The biggest burden for Dana Bash is that she must ask follow-up questions. this is people often ask me you know well you're pretty aggressive and forgive the lack of humility good debater also a very curious interviewer i'll tell you why they're one and the same skill i like to listen listen to what the person has to say so that i can respond in real time think in real time

on my feet and see what they missed or see what door they opened or what curiosity they simply inspired. This interview with Kamala Harris is all about, should be all about, the follow-up. Because you can't allow her to get away with the word salad filibuster scripted response. You must make her think on her feet. That's the key here. That's what is the great mystery about Kamala Harris. Can she? What will she do under pressure? The presidency is nothing, if not, under pressure. And what kind of honesty is revealed when you're forced to answer a follow-up? Here's how it goes. Question number one. You're now for a border wall before you said that you would defund the border wall. You also said that the border wall was a vanity project of Donald

Trump's. Why the change? Now, Kamala Harris, I'm sure, would take the time now to go, you know, I was never really against the border wall. It's, I want to make sure that we ensure the border, that we secure the border. So you have to wonder and hold her to account that that's not exactly what you've said in the past. Here's what she tweeted, and you have to confront her with this tweet. On April 21st of 2017, Trump's border wall is just a stupid. use of money i will block any funding for it repeat trump's border wall is just a stupid use of money i will

block any funding for it the exact words of kamala harris again from 2017 what more we can play a clip for you wherein she says very passionately and you would like to think that she at least taps into passion as a stand-in for authenticity she fair says very passionately that Kamala Harris says it was a vanity project for Donald Trump. I would continue following up and asking, you know, why are you all of a sudden suggesting that you are interested in the border? You've been the border czar. And we're not going to fall into a semantic debate about whether or not she was named border czar.

Dana Bash has already defended her saying that was never an official title given to her. But again, that's semantic to defeat the spirit of what was actually done. She was given responsibility for the issue of illegal immigration. and the border. So, you were given that responsibility for four years. Why now all of a sudden do you feel like it's something that you are dedicated? A problem you are dedicated to solving. If enforcement of the border is so important to you, this is an important one to me, this is a follow-up,

why do you vilify the men and women charged with securing the border? No, no, no, let me amend that. Let me change that. Not vilify. Why did you slander border patrol agents as violating human rights and bringing into imagery the days of the 1800s and slavery? Remember the Haitian illegal immigrants crossing the Rio Grande confronted by border patrol agents on horseback, using long reins to control their horses, still shots by photographers were used by unscrupulous politicians to say they're. were whipping, in the words of Joe Biden, strapping black illegal immigrants. This is what Kamala Harris had to say about those Border Patrol agents.

You've been tasked with immigration. How do you explain this? Well, first of all, I've been very clear about the images that you and I both saw of those law enforcement officials on horses. I was outraged by it. It was horrible and deeply troubling. There's been now an investigation that is being conducted, which I fully support, and there needs to be consequence and accountability.

All right. Do we have the rest of that clip? Two days. Do we have the rest of that clip wherein she says that she, that it reminded her of the days of slavery, that it was abhorrent and she condemns it. and it reminds her of slavery. Do we have the rest of that clip two days?

Let me try to cue it up for you. All right, because I think that's important. That's why I sent it in before the show. I think it's important because this isn't simply I'm calling for an investigation. This is the libel and slander of three or four human beings doing their job, three or four human beings on horseback attempting to stop the flow of illegal immigration. This time the illegal immigrants happened to be black. They were Haitians.

and she and joe biden for that matter and much of the commentariat they basically called these men racists and compared them to slave drivers from the 1800s and that is beyond the pale to me for someone to turn around today and say they're interested in enforcing the border that is beyond the pale to me because look we can all lose humanity in these moments where you're like policy and you know they're undercutting illegal immigration but But the problem is we need to remember the human toll. This is why, for example, when we had Trey Gowdy on the Will Kane show a few weeks back, he said, I would bring up names like Lake and Riley or Rachel Morin, people that died, people that

died at the hands of illegal immigrants, dead, leaving family members behind, in some of these cases, raped and killed, bring the human element into this because that's the human element of the cost that we pay. and though it pales in comparison to the crime committed by illegal immigrants, the human element of four men doing their job and then drugged by the president of the United States and the vice president of the United States and essentially saying that they

remind you of slave drivers from the 1800s needs to be called to account and needs to be explained about why all of a sudden you're now. all of a sudden now you're for the enforcement of border here enjoy kamala harris officials on horses i i i was outraged by it i it was horrible and um and and deeply troubling there's been now an investigation that has being conducted which i fully support and there needs to be consequence and accountability uh the human beings should not be treated that way and as we all know, it also evoked images of some of the worst moments of our history where that kind of

behavior has been used against the indigenous people of our country has been used against African Americans during times of slavery. And so I'm glad to know that, that Ali Meyerkis, the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, is taking it very seriously. A border patrol investigation did come back and clear those agents of any such wrongdoing of whipping illegal immigrants. But that didn't. stop these politicians, including Kamala Harris, from leaping to that conclusion with zero evidence and vilifying border patrol. But now, all of a sudden, you're for a border wall. Now you're for the enforcement of the border. Question number two, how long did you know that Joe Biden was

incapable of executing the office of the presidency? Kamala Harris has been the beneficiary of an intra-party coup, pushing Joe Biden out after a presidential debate, after he secured the presidential primaries, after he's become essentially the official nominee just short of the Democratic National Convention. Why? Because he fell on his face in a debate. The real issue is, should be at least, that those failures during a debate reveal his frailty in executing the office of the presidency. Oddly, Kamala Harris is the beneficiary of this realization. But it's not a realization. As everybody knows, this has been the case for quite some time with Joe Biden. And if anyone should know, it should be his right-hand woman.

the Biden-Harris administration. How long did you know about the mental incapability of Joe Biden? Because here you are, just half a year ago, talking about the Her report, Special Prosecutor Robert Heard, looking into the classified documents case against Joe Biden, saying, I can't put him on the trial, I can't put him on the stand,

because people will see a senile old man. And you had this to say, After her had conducted depositions with Joe Biden and come to this conclusion on Biden, you had this to say about Robert Her. The comments that were made by that prosecutor, gratuitous, inaccurate, and inappropriate, countless hours with the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State, the heads of our intelligence community. and the president was in front of and on top of it all. So the way that the president's demeanor in that report was characterized could not be more wrong on the facts and clearly politically motivated, gratuitous. Gratuitous could not be wrong, more wrong on the facts, and politically motivated.

short while later, politically motivated, the Democratic Party admits to that reality and stabs Joe Biden in the back. Et to Brutei. But in the process, Vice President, you have compromised the National Security of the United States by allowing someone to remain as president, who remains president to this day. So why did you do that? Why do you do that today? who is the president of the United States?

Who is running America? The man on the beach in Rojobe with Beach, Delaware? You? On the campaign trail? Who is running America? All follow-up questions to how long did you know about the mental incapacity

of Joe Biden? Number three, the riots in 2020 caused billions across the country in property damage. business owners black brown low socioeconomic small business owners lost their livelihood lost everything and hundreds lost their lives across the country during the riots in the rising crime spree after the riots with that in hand why did you advocate that those riots will continue but more importantly you used this word should continue to stephen colbert i know that i know that

there are protests still happening in major cities across the United States. I just not seeing the reporting on it that I had for the fierce few weeks. That's right. But they're not going to stop. They're not going to stop. And this is a movement, I'm telling you. They're not going to stop. And everyone beware, because they're not going to stop.

It is going to, they're not going to stop before election day in November, and they're not going to stop after election day. And that should be, everyone should take note of that on both levels. That this isn't, they're not going to let up and they should not. They should not, and we should not. And they should not, and we should not, stop rioting. Now, you're building yourself as a prosecutor who likes to put away crime. You always talk about certain types of crime.

You always tailor them to what your characterization is of your opponent, Donald Trump. But in this case, it's been quantified. It's been quantified. The study's done on how much the country lost in property damage and how many lives were lost. You can look it up. How many lives were lost in connection to those riots and the corresponding defund the police movement? And what do you say to all those people that lost everything,

including their lives? What do you say, Madam Vice President? Why did you set up a bail fund in Minnesota to get those rioters out of jail? You helped to advocate for that bail fund, ask people to contribute so that they'd get out as soon as possible. To what? To what? Continue that crime spree?

Why would you wrap your arms around and hug something that had such an ill effect on the soul lives of so many Americans, the follow-up, to Kamala Harris? And finally, question number four, do you agree with the following statement? From each according to his ability, to each according to his need? Carl Marx I wouldn't tell her that it is Carl Marks because that's the cheat sheet on which way she should answer the question

but I'm not going to presume that she knows that quote popularized by Carl Marx. Do you agree with the statement from each according to his ability to each according to his need? You see, as an aside, she's been accused

of being the furthest left senator according to her voting record in the United States Senate. of being a communist, whether or not she truly understands Marxism. And the reason that she's been accused of that is because she's said things that are very clearly, philosophically aligned, and very clearly close to what I just read to you from Marx.

And not like, oops, I said it once, but like I've said it over and over. Here's a montage. We'll probably hear about three or four different times, but there's honestly a dozen, times where she said something exactly like the following it has to be about a goal of saying everybody should end up in the same place and since we didn't start in the same place some folks might need more equitable distribution giving resources based on equity understanding that we we fight for equality but we also need to fight for equity understanding not everyone starts out at

the same place so there's a big difference between equality and equity equality equality suggest often everybody should get the same thing. Well, that often assumes everybody started out in the same place, as opposed to equity, which is everyone should end up in the same place. Everyone should end up in the same place. In order to get everyone to end up in the same place, some people need more than others. How are you going to do that? Well, I'm sure she'd say those that have enough can give more so that we can,

in turn give more to those that need from each according to his ability to each according to his need equity is Marxism do you believe in that statement do you believe in the philosophy of Karl Marx are you a communist all a follow-up too direct statement she's made in the past on equity on the riots of 2020 on the mental capacity of Joe Biden and on enforcement of the border. The key is the follow-up, but those are the four critical questions I would hope,

and do not expect, but I would hope, would be asked tonight on CNN of Vice President Kamala Harris. Coming up, who's on your Mount Rushmore? Fill up the comment section because I have this sneaking suspicion. I'm leaving off somebody big, but you'll hear my Mount Rushmore

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You're absolutely right, Kathy. And I have a great amount of suspicion about that, anything that is edited. You know, she did a 60 Minutes interview, which didn't go well for her. And, of course, 60 Minutes is an edited process because they do pieces, you know, that's a pre-taped show. And I think that the viewer is right to approach any type of edited piece with a healthy level of skepticism. Now, I want to address what I would hope you were saying back to me immediately. Will, you interviewed Donald Trump for 90 minutes and edited it and aired it on Fox Inference. True.

And there are reasons that happens, and I'm sure there will be, well, I have. hope there are reasons that's happening on CNN. My hope is it's because you've got so much time and so much material that you have to edit it down to make air. That's what certainly happened with Donald Trump. 90 minutes for me, Pete Heggseth and Rachel Campos Duffy had to be edited down. But you know this, right? Everyone listening, at least anybody who's been a long time listener to the Will Kane show, or even just a couple of months listener to the Will Cain show, we aired the whole thing right here. and on the From the Kitchen Table podcast,

Rachel Campa Stuffy's show, and right here on the Will Kane show. And I'm going to tell you at the end of the interview, Donald Trump goes, I'd let it run. Everybody says my Donald Trump's too soft. I need to be a little more gravelly. I'd let it run. It'll rate.

I promise it'll do good numbers. Just let it go. Let it run. And he, you know, so he had interest in it not being chopped up or made to look pretty or fit TV, which we all did as well. but such as the nature of the business.

So I am skeptical of CNN and what they will edit out that makes her look, you know, unflattering. Maybe you could put it online. We all have, you know, while television is a finite resource and only so much time, the internet is free.

Why don't she just put the whole thing, CNN? You've got a big website with hundreds of millions of visitors every month. Put the whole thing up on CNN.com. Absolutely. Why not? I can't think of one good reason not to put the whole thing up on CNN.com. I'll ask Richard Fowler that coming up

in just a moment here on the Wilcane show. Fox News contributor from the left, Richard Fowler. But real quick, one of the members of the Williscia, actually Brent Seriana, who swam the New York City Navy SEAL swim with me, said, hey, you guys should come up with a Mount Rush more official sports athletes. We got into this pre-show. Everybody had a couple of contributions.

and I think that the contributions, okay, we're going to let him out of the penalty box for a quick skate around the ice. James, I just want to name. Like if you were saying, this is my contribution to the Mount Rushmore fictional sports athletes, your name would be what?

The natural. All right. Roy Hobbs, right? Yes. Roy Hobbs, Robert Redford, the natural. All right, safe skate around the ice, no tripping up, back into the penalty box. Tinfoil Pat.

offered up Gordon Bombay from Mighty Ducks. And two of a days, your contribution was who? Billy Chapel for the love of the game. It's a great movie. The love for the love of the game. I think the four of us drafted Kevin Costner movies sometime back. Did we not? Yeah.

drafted some movies. Was it Kevin Costner? Mm-hmm. And that is an underrated movie. I agree. For Love of the Game. Well, I'll tell you this. My pick, without a doubt,

get out the hammer and chisel, start carving the mountain, is also Kevin Costner. My favorite sports character is absolutely Roy McAvoy from Ten Cup. I love him. I love him philosophically. I love him comedically. I love that scene of him going for it over and over. And what's her name?

Renee. Who is his co-star? Renee, it's not Renee Zellweger. Renee Rousseau She plays the doctor Renee Rousseau says Roy nobody

10 years from now will ever remember who won the U.S. Open but nobody's ever going to forget your 18 or whatever it was you're 12 you're 12 on 18

this is a weird Mount Rushmore because there are two guys named Roy and two Kevin Costner and they overlap well it's not a Mount Rushmore it's a nomination process from Mount Rushmore

but this my friends is not a democracy this is a dictatorship so the only one on the mountain is Roy McAvoy I would put my these are my Mount Rushmore and I'm not completely um to round out my Mount Rushmore I'm not completely dedicated

so two days dive into the comment section because my suspicion is I've left out somebody big okay I think joining Roy McAvoy and I think this has a little bit of controversy around it because it's not in my mind as

timeless is Ricky Bobby from Talladega Nights. That's a good one. The question is does Talladega Nights hold up forever? Like I'm of the opinion that Big Loboski is a timeless comedy and some comedies are

funny for a good five to ten year stretch and then they're not funny anymore. So the real question is which one is Talladega Nights? Still holds up. Still holds up. So we're leaving out. Another golf one, Happy Gilmore, is a good one. I'm going to be honest.

It's all right. I'm not, I know it's like... That hurts right here. It's almost like the Godfather. Yeah, it's like if you say that... If you don't say you love Happy Gilmore, a bunch of dudes like, what's wrong with you? But I don't hate it. I don't love it.

I never go back and watch Happy Gilmore. I watch Ten Cup. I watch the Big Lobowski again and again. I'll give you another one while you look through the comments. This one is my I'm going to offer up my most controversial pick It's going to get the most pushback All right first of all I'm going to say the name

And you tell me if you know who it is Fictional sports characters Scott Howard Does anyone know who Scott Howard is That's not slap shot is it No But it is from the 80s I don't

It's teen wolf I've never seen that you've never seen teen wolf no is that michael j fox yes i've never seen that so this is why i went around the horn and asked young james his nomination because i think that to some extent people picked someone who is nostalgic to their own childhood like tinfoil pat picking gordon bombay i mean i think that's probably because mighty ducks was big during his kid you know his his formative years and teen wolf was pretty big during mine

i thought james might pick somebody like from i don't know 2015 i don't even know know what sports movies were big with kids in like 2000 I'm not even joking like weren't you in like eighth grade in 2014 for real were you in eighth grade in 2014 2013 oh my gosh see here we go so like what was the big sports movie in 2013

so that's why I got teen wolf there's another one from the live chat master chef says cole trickle from days of thunder Tom Cruise Oh, master chef, kick out Teen Wolf, put in Cold Trickle. I totally forgot about Days of Thunder. Great suggestion, but now I've got two NASCAR drivers and no football players in my Mount Rushmore, and that's not going to work. But I will put Cole Trickle in above Ricky Bobby.

Huge oversight. I knew there was an oversight, and that's a big one right there. It's a big one. Go ahead, tinfoil. Quick question. if Forrest Gump, who was an all-American kick-returner in college, ends up going to the NFL instead of the military, I mean, we're talking about a guy who probably, you know,

breaks all kinds of records. He's Devin Hester of his time. Yeah, the problem is a lot of people are rightfully bugged by Forrest Gump. You know, like after a while, the cornball is thick. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. People are, I mean, I like Forrest Gump, but I get it. I get how it could grade on you a little bit. If we're going kind of athletes, I would go Johnny Utah from Point Break. I mean, greatest quarterback of all time in college. You know what I'm saying?

It's a good nomination. It's a great movie. I mean, for that matter, you could also put in Bodie because surfing's a sport, right? So you could do any of those guys. Which leads me to my final nomination. Now that Cole trickles in, we're going to put Scott Howard out. now we got two NASCAR drivers in there and I think that my last nomination probably you have

to put this dude in but the question is is he the best character in this franchise like it's got to be Rocky you've got to put Rocky in there now the question is is he not

is he the best character in the franchise between Apollo Creed and Mr. T who was Clubber Lang and Ivan Drago don't you get a little more excited about those guys being on screen than Rocky himself. It's like when I was at ESPN,

there was a guy that ran E-60 told me, villains are always more interesting than heroes. Dremont Green's more interesting than Steph Curry. Darth Vader is way more interesting than Luke Skywalker. Isn't Drago more interesting than Rocky? Yeah, someone's saying, Will, you would love Drago. I have Drago over Rocky just because Rocky is good because he's just a punching bag.

can take a bunch of hits. I mean, Drago killed a guy. Is that a lefty in the comment section, you know, doing the whole the right loves Russia thing? Is that what that is? Will you loving Drago?

Yep. So now, if you're on the left, you have claimed Rocky and we get Drago in Rocky 4. You're now, you now chant USA, USA at the DNC, and we are the commies.

Got it. All right. I still feel like with the inclusion of Cole Trickle, somebody big is left out, some big sports movies left out. So fill up the comments section. We'll take a quick break. We're going to be joined by Richard Fowler.

We'll bring in your comments of anything we miss. Because I can't, what did I miss? Having missed Days of Thunder, I feel like there's got to be something else out there. I don't know. Let's run it all by Fox News contributor. Richard Fowler next on the Will Cain Show. This is Jason Chaffetz from the Jason in the House podcast.

Join me every Monday to dive deeper into the latest political headlines and chat with remarkable guests. Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com or wherever you download podcasts. How would Richard Fowler answer my questions for Kamala Harris? It's the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com. on the Fox News YouTube channel on the Fox News Facebook page, hit subscribe, Apple, Spotify, YouTube. Joining us now is the host of the Richard Fowler show.

He's also a Fox News contributor. He joins us, I think. It's fair to say. It's a fair characterization, not just via Zoom, but from the left. What's up, Richard Fowler? Hello, how are you? Happy Thursday.

I think that's the date. Did you listen to our conversation about the Mount Rushmore of sports characters? I did I did First of all Are you nervous Are you not a sports guy

Or do you have an answer If somebody I left off Mount Rushmore Oh I mean I would have put I would put the Jamaican bobsled team man Easy answer Yeah But here's the thing Who

Who are the at If our cool runnings he's talking about Of course John Candy is the coach Absurd on its face And You could put John Or you could put

him you could put who's in that movie oh my goodness um that was going to be my question for you can you name malik yobo the four bobsledders yeah malik yobo um i look at the other ones richard you're reading this you're reading this on the internet i know milik yobo at the top of my head that's the one i know at the top of my head but i get you the other ones uh it's like the thing is like we don't even know the actors i couldn't name a single actor it's like John Candy He was in every It's got to be

Morse Chestnut Morris Chestnut's got to be in there No no no That's the character You're talking about Malikyobo Um Just Leon

and Dougie E Doug But I knew Molyobo You could put Malikio I knew Malikob for it So there you go The Jamaican bobsleders on Mount Rushmore Four for one I don't know about that

I feel back and watch cool runnings It's been a cool, it's been a cool day. There is to make a bobbled. And they are in the Olympics. In real life? Yeah. In real life. Yeah.

I forget that. Yeah. That's crazy. Did they start after the movie? Huh? Yeah. Is that based on a true story? It's based on a true story and they're usually in every winter Olympics.

Amazing. There's literally no snow. There's literally no snow. Jamaica, trust me. Literally zero-so. Richard, I just went over my four crucial questions for Kamala Harris. One of the questions, the final one I wanted to ask her, was I'll give it to you. And then I'm going to tell you why I'm giving it to you. I asked her, do you believe in the statement from each according to his ability to each

according to his need? I ask her that because of her embrace of equity. And by the way, her definition of equity that some people need more. that we all end up in the same place. Just looking at your Twitter profile, Richard, which, by the way, you hit it all, man. You got Fox News contributors, senior fellow, Center for Black Equity, he, him,

or he, his pronouns, messaging expert. I don't know what that means, messaging expert, but that's amazing. But Center for Black Equity, okay, so Equity is something you're in on. So, how does she answer? I mean, I'm happy to tell you what the Senator for Black Equity is, if you would like me to.

I'd love for you to, I do, you can tell me that's part of your answer, but what I want to know is, is she embrace, according to her definition of equity and her embrace of it, Marxism. No, but let me tell you what the senator for black equity is, because I think that that's important for this audience. The center for black equity was created in 1991. Before, the former name of it was the International Federation of Black Prides. It was created in 1991 during the HIV-AIDS crisis, and it was founded actually in our nation. capital when we saw HIV-AIDS hit the black LGBTQIA community, specifically the black gay male community, and an alarming rate. And it was created as an event to raise money for folks who could not afford their retroviral

drugs. And so they created a party with a purpose. It was a fundraiser created right next to Howard University. The first event had 800 people. And they raised money to pay for people's drugs and rent because they could not afford their HIV AIDS medication. Today, there are 55, my number served me correctly, there are 55 prides around the world, including a number here in the United States. And according to MPD estimates here in our nation's capital, Black Pride, which is over Memorial Day weekend, had 40,000 attendees from all around the country who came to D.C. Black Pride, which is an opportunity to celebrate what it means to be black and LGBTQIA in America.

and so the organization renamed itself in the early 2000s, and I'm happy to sit on their 501C4 board. So that's what the Center for Black Equity is. So, and I appreciate that. Clarification and history, certainly a laudable cause to go back to the 1990s and fill in an area of need in a middle of a crisis. Quickly, though, why the rename in the early 2000s?

Why embrace the word equity? Because I think, listen, Because I think in the organization's inception, it speaks to the need to have a conversation around equity, right? Because what we see happening both today, as we saw happen in the early 90s, was HIV AIDS hits the United States in the early to mid-80s. And what we found were folks who it first hits, though, it hits the black, it hits the queer community in general. What we found happened is folks who had economic mobility or white queer people were able to afford the retroviral medication, whereas in folks who were African American and also queer were struggling with the racial discrimination and living in health deserts or places that they couldn't get access to health care. And they were also living in economic disparity, so they couldn't have, they didn't have access to health care and they couldn't afford the drugs. So you were dealing with the double whammy of being African-American and also not being able to afford HIV-AIDS or medication.

And so if you look at the graph of how the HIV-AIDS epidemic spread, what you find is, and even today, you see HIV-AIDS transmissions in the black, in the white gay community almost at a zero rate, whereas then you see HIV-AIDS transmission still happening in black gay communities. One is the lack of access to health care. is a lack of access to the drugs that stops HIV AIDS from spreading, i.e. known as PrEP. So I want to expand this beyond HIV-AIDS, not because I have a lack of interest, but because I want to make this more applicable to everyone's current events and mindset. But I'm not leaving it behind in that. When you give this this example of the Center for Black Equity, to me, first of all, you said a 501c3, so a private charitable organization, identifying a need, what you've described is a clear need,

Right? This one particular community needs access to HIV, AIDS, drugs that other communities have more easy access to. In easy, I mean, one simple explanation is financial capability, perhaps, differentials, whatever it may be. But you see a need, you fill a need. And that's every charity, right? Every charity does that, says, oh, we see a need. We would like to step in and fill that need. But the word equity as embraced by politicians, in this case, somebody who's running for president, who is a sitting vice president. and her definition of it, that we all want to end up in the same place,

suggest something more than a private organization doing something charitable. Instead, the United States government implementing policies inside of itself to ensure, whether or not through taxation or distribution of government funds, to ensure that we end up in an equal place. That's what she says. That's her words. I played them. So that, to me, isn't hiding the ball.

It's not sneaky, you know? It's overt. That is Marxism. No, I think if you read the, and I've read the, I mean, my undergrad study was in economics. If you read Karl Marx's manifesto, clearly what he advocates for, this idea that the government owns the means of production, and he distributes those means equally, that's not necessarily equity. I think equity in its, and I think in its most easily definable terms is we live in a world in which some folks, have more than others. Case and point, the example that I just gave you, right, you have two groups of individuals who both love the same way. One group is seeing that their transmission of a disease

has gone to zero because they have access to more tools to deal with the disease. Another group, right, who live in the same, like in the case, let's just take the case of Washington, D.C., they live in the same city, and you see they are still seeing a spread of the disease, right? And because they don't have access to the same tools, what we're saying, what I'm advocating for, what I believe equity is, is how do we ensure that people have access to the same tools? Does it mean that they get the same outcomes? No, not necessarily, but it means they have access to the same. Well, that's different than, that's different than. That is different. She says equality. I don't think it's different at all. But equality and equity and equity are two different

things. Right. Hold on then. Let's take a pause. I think the guys have it because we already played earlier in the show so that we don't have to argue about what Kamala Harris believes let's play a few seconds two days in New York can you grab that can you play let's play Kamala Harris in her own words about what she believes the definition is of equity it has to be about a goal of saying everybody should end up in the same place and since we didn't start in the same place some folks might need more equitable distribution giving resources based on equity understanding that we we fight for equality but we also need to fight for equity, understanding not everyone starts out at the same place. So there's a big difference between equality and equity.

Equality suggests often everybody should get the same thing. Well, that often assumes everybody started out in the same place, as opposed to equity, which is everyone should end up in the same place. All right. So there you hear. I mean, that's three. I think the montage has like 10 in there. But she says numerous times twice in that clip.

Everybody ends up in the same place. It seems to me, Richard, that I don't respect that you studied Marxism and economics. I think you're missing her key point. Her key point is that there's to be a keen acknowledgment in this country that we don't all start in the same place. And I think that is- No one disagrees with that. But no one disagrees with that. But I think that's just, that's a starting block before you dive into a toxic-

pool that's what we're working but i think that is what the role that government can play is to ensure that we all start in the same place by by creating some key fun no no okay that's equality equality equality we all start in the same place hold on hold on hold on hold on you're right you're right hold on equality is not we start in the same place hold on we all right it's a track all right okay that's right it's a track um we may have different starting positions for various reasons inherited wealth, whatever it may be, we'll have different starting positions. Equality is the idea that there will be no extra hurdles in the race for all of us at the same time. We will run the race after our starting position through the same lanes on the same

track. But equity, as she says very clearly, and again, that's the key here, Richard. It's not what she says about starting in a different position. It's ending in the same position. That's the money line here. Because you say Marxism, and I respect that you studied economics, is you define Marxism as its implementation specifically in places like the Soviet Union with owning the means of production. But it can evolve. Hold on. No, no, no, let me just finish my statement.

Soviet Union wasn't pure Marxism. Let me just finish. We haven't actually seen pure Marxism ever in the world. As Marx wrote, you actually read, you actually read the Communist Manifest in all of its pages. We've actually never seen it purely implemented. I know. That's always the catch here. No, I mean, I'm being, I mean,

just failed two dozen times. but we just haven't done it right yet. I mean, listen, I like definitions and I like words, but I'm also a student of history and I'm a student of literature. And if you read the communist manifesto, just like I've read, you know, I've read all of,

I've read Milton Friedman, I've read all the economists. If you read it to its core, we've actually never seen implemented as Marx says it should be implemented. Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know. We're waiting for that first pure, we're waiting for that first pure Marxism implemented.

I don't agree with it. I'm not thinking I agree with Marxism. I'm just saying. Let me finish. really quickly. You said it was owning the means of production. What I think we see in America today is a soft form of philosophical communism used, when I say soft, through soft power. Some of it's direct through government interference, but it's also through government incentive programs, government funding programs, that you can take that philosophy that she just espouses.

We should all end up in the same place, and you can infuse it in society through a much subtler mechanism than owning the means of production? I don't know what philosophical soft communism means. There's no pure definition for that, so I can't address that, because I don't know what that means. I think we've just been through it together with, I mean, Mark says from each according to his ability, one could argue, because one could make the argument that one could, one could make the argument that after World War II, when white GIs came home and they had access to the

GI Bill, which allowed them to go to college and allowed them to have access to mortgages and allowed them to open dry cleaners and pizza shops and gas stations and African-American GIs didn't have access to those same bills, that that was pure Marxism. And some people were left out of that. And the argument that Kamala Harris is making, well, that's what actually, that's what happened. Yeah. Black, I know, Richard, but that's not Marxism. It's also not right to deny that to African Americans. You're saying, but you're saying, but you're saying, that the government funded programs to incentivize people to do things, that's what the GI Bill was, was it not? To achieve equal outcomes, Richard, you keep avoiding that one big line

from Kamala Harris and key to Marxism. To achieve end results. Let's use your working definition of soft, pure communism, whatever you called it. After World War II, Franklin Delano Roosevelt passes the GI Bill, right? GIs come home. White GIs are treated one way. Black GIs are treated another way. White GIs are allowed to apply for mortgages at a lower interest rate. They're allowed to get small business loans. They're allowed to open dry cleaners.

You've been through this. You've been through this and I don't disagree. Sure. But, and black GIs were not. So much of the wealth that white GIs passed on to their children, to their great grandchildren, to their great, great grandchildren, black GIs never had access to that wealth to be passed on. So they were treated.

by the American government. Correct. So in order for us to get equity, in order for us to get equity, we'd have to go back to those black GIs and their family and say, this government did you an institutional wrong because you did fight, you did serve, and you should have access to a GI bill in 1948, and you didn't have access to it.

Right. Yeah, I mean, that's, I understand if you philosophically believe that the way to correct a sin is to commit two sins. But that's not, but it's not, that's correct. But you're not committing two sins. So it's wrong for the United States of America to treat one group of people one way and another group of people another way. It is wrong.

The correct mechanism, hold no. The corrective mechanism is not to do the same thing in reverse. It's to take away the hurdles and treat everyone the same. And this is, by the way, where our fundamental divide is. What happens to the inherited, what happens that the compounded wealth that was created for those white GIs and those black GIs, never had access to. It is an unfortunate outcome of history that you cannot correct by reversing sins and doing

the same thing today in opposite. All you do is create a racial grievance society. Yeah, but there's no, but to be fair, to be fair, the government actually in 19, what is it, 1986 or 1984, Ronald Reagan signs a bill into law providing reparations to Japanese individuals who he puts in internment camps, and he pays them back for imprisoning them unfairly. So the American government has a track record, and I'm not advocating for reparations. The point I'm trying to make here is we've seen the U.S. government go back and fix an inequity in years previous.

So I'm just pointing it out. All right, let's move on. All right, let's move on to this. Kamala Harris is going to get a first interview tonight. Okay, she's going to do it with Tim Walts. I've said today, many presidential candidates have done their first interview or a summer interview with their running mate. So, you know, I'm going to only have so much criticism for her having had Tim Walt sit down beside her. But it's her only one.

That's the differentiating factor. It's her only one, such becoming the presidential candidate of Democrats. Will we see more of her? Will she give more interviews? Will she take more adversarial question and answer sessions? More sit downs with Brett Bayer. Will we get to actually see who she is before we have to vote for her in November or against her in November? I definitely think she will take more interviews.

Number one, I think that I'm happy to see that she's sitting down with Tim Walls. I think it's going to be, I think it'll be great, 9 o'clock tonight on another network. But prior to this, she's done 60-some odd interviews previous. I think she'll answer all the tough questions. I think beyond that, I think the bigger moment than this is, I think, a week and a half from now, she'll do a debate against Donald Trump, which I think is probably more important than this hour-long interview is a 90-minute debate where her and Donald Trump get the debate, the issues that matter to the American people, whether it be immigration or crime or, you know, the border or inflation or the things that really keep Americans up in night. And I think Americans will then have a chance to vote on who they think is the better of the two. I can only hope that you're right on that. I hope that she, I mean, so far this candidacy has been more.

What's that? I hope I'm right that Americans will have a chance to vote. Yeah. And you'll have a chance to vote. I hope so too. More than one, I hope, as well. All right, that's been a hell of a debate today with Richard Fowardman. Appreciate you doing this.

Give me a good half hour of your time here on a Thursday, Richard. We'll see you probably on the five and the Richard Fowler Show. Oh, for sure. It's good to be with you. All right. you, Richard. All right, there you go. All right, in the comment section, I'm sure you've got a lot to say. We'll bring all that back. I guess it would be Monday or Friday. We'll bring all your comments in on the Mount Rushmore Sports Fictional candidates and that conversation with Richard Fowler.

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