Will Cain Country - From The Vault: Bear Grylls on Faith and Jack Carr on the Death of Creativity

Episode Date: March 20, 2026

In this “Best Of” edition of ‘Will Cain Country,’ World-famous Adventurer and Host of ‘Man vs. Wild’ and ‘Running Wild,’ Bear Grylls joins Will to discuss a lesser-known aspect of his life: his Christian faith. Grylls tells the story behind his latest book, ‘The Greatest Story Ever Told,’ which describes the life of Jesus from lesser seen perspectives, before sharing how his faith helped him through some of his most treacherous adventures.Next, Former Navy SEAL and 'New York Times' Bestselling Author Jack Carr joins Will to discuss how the rise of the infinite scroll has stifled an entire generation of creatives, taking a stark look at the vast differences between the entertainment of his youth versus that of today. Plus, Jack gives his analysis of the raid to capture Venezuelan Dictator Nicolás Maduro and shares his thoughts on the morality of some of fiction’s most popular action heroes.Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠⁠)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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If you've got a few minutes to listen, we got something solid for you. Here we go. He is the author of a new book, The Greatest Story Ever Told. You know him, of course, from Manverse Wild and many other shows. He's noted adventure, Bear Grills, and he's in our New York City studios, and he joins us now. What's up, Bear? Hey, how are you doing? Nice to be with you.

Nice to be with you as well. By the way, I didn't know that. Patricia in the comment section says she just found out last month about your religious devotion. I didn't know that either. And that's not your fault, nor is it ours, because you've been famous for other reasons, your military service, your adventurers and your television shows. But I think with your new book, that's something all of us are learning about you, Bear. Yeah, I think faith has always been just a quiet, empowering part of my life through my military time,

through many expeditions, through all the TV journey and all the survival stuff and my own family life. It's just I never feel particularly kind of religious as such, but I learned long ago that to quietly bow the knee, bend the knee and ask for help every day and say sorry for things and say thank you is a really good way to start the day. I always used to see my grandfather do that. I remember him. He was six foot six, giant of a man.

And yet even as an old man, I just remember him kneeling down beside his bed every night. And I don't know, I love that. I think faith is a beautiful thing to have in life. And also a humble thing to have, you know. I think a lifetime of adventures taught me that on my own, I'm not strong. You know, everyone thinks they're strong in the wild until they're not. And then on your own, I don't think you're ever truly empowered.

So I look at it as like part of the arsenal of survival for life, you know, with physical, mental, emotional and spiritual. So that light has been a beautiful thing in my life and it continues. I'm curious, is there a moment either in your service or in your adventures, where that need to call on him, to call on something higher, was most profound? Most days. You know, I think it's not just the, I don't know, I look back to, I look back to Everest, I think, in particular, though. You know, that was such a life-changing time for me.

We had four climbers lose their lives up there. We had two died of the cold, two fell to their death. And, you know, we're on that mountain a long time, some three and a half months in total. And I don't know. I always remember I just had a little verse. I always kept laminated in the soul of my shoe that says, be sure of this. I'm with you even to the ends of the earth. And I don't know.

That's my faith. I keep it pretty simple. I hold on to a few basic things. and it's definitely helped me there but it's also helped me so much in just in everyday life and I think it's one of the reasons I wrote this book is

I realized so few people know the real story of Jesus you know and myself included I always grew up with a really sanitised version of it he was always very meek and mild and nice and long robes and a few years ago I took a

I took a small team motorbikes, tents, parachutes we travel through Israel. And I wanted to kind of redo the journey of Christ to go to all the places. And at the end of that, I just kind of thought, why is it that everyday people just seem to love this guy? All they want to do is be with him, touch the hem of his cloak, you know, be near him. And yet the religious elite feared him so much. And it was just so different to the Jesus that I'd kind of grew up with.

And then I realized nobody's ever really written a book. that just tells this real unsanitized story of Jesus. You know, theoretically accurate, but just told as a thriller. Because so few of us read the Bible, even those of us for faith. It's hard. And we tend to know stories like the Good Samaritan or the crucifixion, but not the whole story and how it impacts our lives. Back to the book in just one moment, the greatest story ever told.

That trip you took following the life of Jesus. I'm curious, tell me a little more about that. How long did that trip take? Where did you go? Well, it was interesting. We actually filmed it the week before October the 7th two years ago. So it was like super poignant timing. But we did it for a TV show called Refugee, Renegade, Redeemer.

And that was the goal of it, to try and tell the real story. What was he really like? Why was he such a central figure to life ever since the last 2,000 years? What was it really about this guy away from the religion that we sort of learn about? And it did really well. We did that on TBN. That was our number one show of last year. But it was a kind of passion project for me.

I still do my day job. We're still filming, just finished filming season nine of Running Wild, which I love. And that's the day job. But this faith stuff has always been in my heart. And doing this book, it's been transformative for me in the sense that I've never had a response to anything I've ever done that's been as powerful as this.

And I get people, first of all, all the book went straight in at number one. And I have people all over the world of all different face and cultures write to me and just say basically the same thing, which is I had no idea of actually what the story of Christ is about and how it relates to my life.

And that's been the great privilege. It's not saying my story, it's saying his story or history, as they say. So, yeah, I'm really proud of it. Hardest thing I've ever done, but the best thing. So you wrote it in first person from the perspective, I believe, is it five? Five different people in Jesus's life

who sort of share him through their experience in their eyes. Is that right? Yeah, so I thought, I'm just going to write it from the people who knew him best, from their perspective, what it was actually like. And everyone had such a different interaction with him, is what I learned. I mean, one of the things I did was read the Bible the whole way through a couple of times.

And we worked with some top theologians from the TV show The Chosen who were incredible helping me make. make sure we get everything right. But it was so interesting just learning how everyone reacted, had such a unique experience of encountering this man. And so I thought, let's just do it from their perspective. So you start off with his mother, you know, young, pregnant, out of wedlock,

nervous, like, must be so daunting to have angels appear and say you're going to give birth to a child. Yeah, you've never slept with anyone. You're going to give birth to a child who's going to be the son of God. I'll be like, hot on, hot on. Yeah, and then we go to Thomas, who's, you know, super skeptical of this Jesus that he meets, just going, I'm not going to be tricked by some water into wine, no, you know, and his journey. And then Peter, who was just like all in, impulsive, like, raw, wild, unreligious.

And John, and eventually then with Mary Maglin, who's his young broken girl who Jesus transformed her life. And I think what was so telling for me is I always sort of the disciples are like these big, big-bearded old men. You know, it's how we kind of see them, don't we, in paintings and all of that? But actually those that hung out with them, those disciples, who, of course, they weren't even called disciples. He's just band of rough misfits, regular people from a border town up north. We're average age of 15 to 25, super young.

Like, no idea really what's going on. And slowly over the course of these years, realizing they were in the presence of the savior of the world. And it's that part of the story that has moved me so much and helped me so much in my faith to understand that you don't have to be anything. You can have doubts. They had doubts. I mean, 98% of their story with him is of doubt. Every encounter doubt. Right. And I found that reassuring because I come from a place of like, can it really be real? And then time and time again, little things happen, that light inside and I hold on to those moments. And talk about adventurers, those disciples then, scatter to the ends of the known earth at the time, whether or not it's Spain or wherever, carrying the message, obviously against great danger into foreign lands and this type of thing.

And it would be easy after Jesus' death in a way to kind of like float, you know, to disappear, to go back to another life that you had. Instead, they become the guys that spread Christianity to the known earth. Well, they did initially go back to what they were doing, you know, after in the aftermath of that last week and then his torture and crucifixion, they fled and they eventually all end up going back up north to their hometowns and terrified. It was only after he came back from the dead and he started appearing to them and eating with them and then appearing to not just ones and twos and tens and 50s, but hundreds of eyewitness testimonies that. something that transformed their lives and in a way part of the book that people seem to love us at the end where I say at the end what happened as you say to all of those disciples how they went to all these incredible areas around the world and they all died for their faith all apart from one we're all martyrs stone skinned crucified speared burnt you know stoned and uh something must have driven

I mean, you don't do that if you know it's a lie or you're kind of, maybe you saw a ghost or, you know, something happened. Right. And that part I find intriguing. You said you kind of, and I think you're not alone, as you point out, whether or not it's the paintings and the images in church and just a popular story telling, you know, had this vision of Jesus as this, this meek guy, the Good Samaritan story kind of defines our image of Jesus. but you said, you know, that's where you start. You write this book. What's your image of Jesus at the end of after writing the greatest story ever told?

A wild one. A truly a wild one. And it's interesting like seeing initially the Pharisees revulsion of Jesus was that he hung out with a low life and the prostitutes and the rejected and the tax collectors who were so despised. And they accused him publicly have been a glutton and a drunkard.

You know, this wasn't the Jesus that I grew up with knowing. And that was intriguing for me. And at the end of it, it's like, what's my feeling? I think comes back to his name for me, Yeshua. I mean, I call him Yeshua by his Aramaic name through the book because I want people to find this a story afresh with no filter of like, this is what I think it's about.

So everything is local names and places. But at the end of it, his name, I mean, Jesus and Yeshua, the translation is He Who Saves. And I love that. He didn't come to make us more religious or to make us this or do this or behave like that. Be nice on a Sunday. You know, he just came to seek and save the lost. And I think that's a, it's a beautiful moment to reach in life.

I mean, life, full stop is very humbling. All of us at some point, it's a humbling process. Sometimes it takes to our deathbed, but life is humbling. And I think it's a beautiful place to reach of strength to be able to kneel down and say that. And again, it comes back to my grandpa. He always says, man is never as tall as when he kneels down. And I love that. The book is the greatest story ever told about Bear Grills.

I want to take the last couple of minutes. I'd love to talk to you just for a minute about adventure. Far be it for me to ever paint myself as any type of adventure belonging in the same conversation with you, Bear, but here we are. And any adventure that I've done or any that I want to do always has something deeper than just the physical accomplishment or even deeper than the test. So it's a story, and there's a story that I buy into. For example, these are two that I haven't done that I want to. I would love to canoe the Mississippi River and take the path of in the Missouri of Lewis and Clark because I love the story of Westward expansion in America. There's a book that I love called Lonesome Dove. I love to ride horses up the

Old West Cattle Trails through Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, even further north if you could. I'm curious in all the adventures that you've done, like what, I don't know if you feel the same, you know, all of a lot of them, I'm sure, about the physical test and learning something about yourself and these things. But I'm curious if any of them have like a story or an emotional connection that you felt compelled to do that stand out. Beyond the one you just shared with this, by the way, of going to Israel. Yeah, I think adventure, first of all, you are an adventure spirit. Good for you. Don't belittle that. Yeah, that's incredible. And you must follow those dreams because those are golden. and I'd love to hear how those go.

You will do it, I'm sure. But I do think adventures a state of mind. It's how we live our lives. It's not just out there. It's in here as well. It's how we approach life and risk and relationships and work and family. So I think that adventure spirit is so important.

I think the wild changes us all is never a physical thing. You know, physical is part of it. And the wild sort of batters us down a little bit sometimes and ask some questions and challenges us, but that's part of it, but it also heals our heart. And I always remember a little quote that says there's always music in the wild,

but sometimes our hearts must be quiet to hear it. And, you know, that's what it is for me. It's like that, it's connection. It's why I like to be barefoot a lot of the times as well. And I like just, I'm happy on my own. I love running wild as well. I take one other Hollywood star. Those shows are a privilege.

And it's the same reason. Why do these people do the show? They don't need the money or the fame. They want that pride in their heart, that connection, that healing, that kind of confidence that only the outdoors can build when you face some battles and overcome it. So for me it's always about that. The Wild is always a star. It does my job for me. It opens people up and gives them that sense of pride.

And long may that continue beyond the TV shows, you know, it's always going to be a part of my life. Always has been since I was a boy, been taught to climb by my dad, you know. So it's not just something I do. It's kind of, it's deeper than that. It's in the DNA and it's music, music to me. Running Wild, matching a celebrity to an adventure. How does that work? Does a celebrity, I'm sure they have input.

Do you come up with it and you try to match it? You know, I don't know, this guy or this gal would be great for this adventure and then you pitch it to them? Or how do you match them? adventure and star we don't match them we just plan the adventure and invite the stars and like you know we always say come on your own they don't get any input in it i mean they get no input it's like come on your own leave the entourage trust the process and we keep it super fluid we take a small team i'll plan a route from the air by the helicopter the day before i'll listen to the local search and rescue guys we'll

know there's a river there be careful it's some flood some great cliffs crumbling rock these animals you know we'll get an overview of it and then we take a small team and we We kind of have a loose plan, but we always adapt it to how the guests is doing and whether how tired they are or how much they want to push it. And it's like a rubber band, you can always stretch and shrink accordingly. But again, we just have a buddy, buddy adventure. And like I say, the wild does my job. It opens people up.

It helps them to be honest. We sit around that campfire and chat in the evening. But first of all, you've got to face a few battles. You know, it's different to a chat show. You know, you're cold, you're wet, you're hungry. you're super proud of yourself when you overcame this. And then you're ready to talk about stuff as well. So it's a sort of neat combination.

And for me, it's timeless because there's always another star and another story. And I think when guests come and they're honest about their journeys, and as you know, with all of our journeys, it's never the highlights. It's the struggles and the battles that make all of our stories. And I think that's the magic of Running Wild. Well, there's night season of Running Wild. but the book and the reason he's here today is the greatest story ever told about the life of Jesus. I know you have multiple interviews you're doing today at Fox News,

so I appreciate you hanging out with us for a good 15, 20 minutes, bear. It's great to know you. Can't wait to check out the book. Thank you. Oh, you're a good man and keep doing. You respect all you're doing. Shining the light. Come on. Well, um. Don't go anywhere.

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and understanding of the greatest story ever told. Listen and follow now at foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome back to this best-of edition of Will Kane Country. New York Times bestselling author, the creator of the hit show on Amazon, multiple time. Entertainment King at this point, who has a brand new book out coming this May, but available now for pre-order. It's entitled The Fourth Option, and there he is right there.

It is former Navy SEAL. Jack Carr. What's up, Jack? How's it going? How's Monday treating you? It's Monday. It's a Monday. It's treating you.

It's a little more excitement than your voice than that. Come on. Fire this up. Let's go. Do you wake up every day, Jack, just jaco-willink-style 4.30 a.m., raring to go. Do you hit every Monday like it's a brand new week? No, I do not. The military did not instill that in me for some reason.

Maybe it's a little bit of that rebellion, kind of like I've never made a bed since boot camp. Or actually, OCS, because I did both boot camp and then OCS. But it's been a while. So my wife does take care of that. I'm very thankful to her for that. But I think there's a little bit of rebellion. So I do not wake up and get after it. I roll out of bed and I'm shot out of a cannon.

And it's juggling the three kids, dogs, to schools, like all of that stuff that everybody else has to deal with. It's just complete chaos right off the bat. And I'm not trusting a lot of these people who want, that pop up in my socials telling me how to live my life, how I have to get to bed exactly at 10 p.m. And I have to be lights out and asleep by them to get those whatever hours. And then I have to be up and I have to meditate right away.

And then I have to go in the sauna. and the cold plunge and then I have to like eat exactly the right part of like weird tea in order to ease like that's the whole day and what are your kids do who's getting your kids to school at this point like I don't know I'm not buying any of that stuff it's it's out and it's to work right away first it's family take care of all that and then it's right into the writing and the creating and I'm always up against the deadline it seems with all the projects these days to include this one right here so this is the stage that the fourth option is at right now and so I get a couple more chances to read it with my red pen right there about halfway through it get those at its back

they'll send me a couple more but it never stops and i'm so thankful for that and like you said i wake up every morning though so thankful that i was born in the united states of america so thankful that i'm an american because we have all these options and opportunities available to us and it's all up to us if we want to take advantage of them or not so that's what i'm thankful for most each and every day here here here wonderful uh wait all right several things you said that i want to follow up on so I grew up a swimmer, Jack, and swam played water polo through college. And I do find this a common story when it comes to former swimmers, that once it's over and once there's not a coach on the deck yelling at you to jump into that cold water at 6 a.m.,

that not a lot of people choose to continue to do that as their lifestyle. Some do, some continue to. I know guys who are out there still swimming masters or still swimming open water, and I'll do one every year or every other year, but I'm not dedicated. I do not get in the water on a regular basis. And, you know, I do think that the military lifestyle as popularized by guys like Jocko becomes a lifestyle of discipline, of waking up at 4.30, of doing all the things, of making your bed, as you point out, all the things that you were made to do.

But that's not the story of every guy you're saying. You don't, you don't, you have a little bit of that same swimmer story. You're not waking up and making your bed now that there's not a commanding officer over you yelling, make your bed? No, I don't like anyone yelling at me. And I'll forge my own path. Thank you very much. But, you know, a lot of those people you're talking about, that me you swam with in college, no big deal, by the way, that you've, you don't have shows like you. You know, you're getting up.

You have your family things to do and you have these shows to do. You have to prep, the amount of prep that you have to do in order to answer questions off the cuff. be up on the news of the day every single day. I'm not sure people realize how much work goes into that. And it's a skill to then go on air like you do and make it seem so natural. Never let them see a sweat. And you're so, so good at it. But you know what?

If you woke up and swam every morning and made your bed and then ate your tea and then meditated and then did the cold plunge and then did the sauna and then did your workout and then you journaled. And guess what? You didn't prep for the day to do your actual job in this. whatever is your building, what you're building, but that can translate over to what anyone else is building. So I don't know, I'm kind of of the mind of find that thing that you love and dive into it. Um, prep yourself, of course, uh, as, as, as necessary, but then when it's time to

step out and build whatever it is that you want to build in this life, because we get one ride on this planet, uh, then go do that. Because you could be in great shape, I think, and you could be well rested and have all the right tea in your system and all that stuff. and yeah wonderful nothing else you haven't built anything other than you know being in great shape and you know be feeling rested or whatever it might be so for me it's about getting out there and doing the actual work well is it just a time thing for you and a priority or you know i think you spoke about this on your on your podcast as well recently or at least as a guest on someone else's podcast where you talked about sort of i think you call it the gray man theory where you're really into

sort of tactical remembrances, meaning collecting physical items and in reading history books and using physical maps and not everything being cloud-based and digitally served to you. And I wonder if there's any connection there, like this current movement of human optimization, which I'm guilty of getting suckered into on some things as well. You know, like, in other words, the cold plunge, sauna, you know, whoop band, nutrition, human optimization world. Are you rejecting that also out of a little bit of like that feels entirely too digital? It feels entirely to 2026. Yes, but let me say, say those things are all probably good for you.

So people don't listen to my advice. This is just my path. Everyone takes a different one. Those things are all great for you. Wonderful. Do them. It's just not my way. Although I did work out this morning.

I take long breaks as I'm writing. Just it's necessary. I get up and go, but I've started to get back into it out of necessity, but just a quick little something, like nothing that I ever did in the SEAL team. It's just a quick half hour movement because I'm going to be sitting down

for a long time today working. But yeah, no Woot Band on. I mean, this is from the 60s right here, an old Tudor Watch. It's in pages of the book also because I like to surround myself of those artifacts, the totems that my characters are using. But yeah, no Wook Bands here.

And if I could go back to 19, I guess if I could wake up the January 1st, 1980 and just go all the way through to January 1st, 1990, I would just keep that cycle going. I would love to just go back. Oh, that was actually something I wanted to ask you. You're a Navy SEAL. I believe your time with the teams, Jack, if I'm roughing it here, I'm going to go mid-90s through teens. What was your time in the teams? 1996 to 2016.

So it was a good run, good time to be in. We got a little experience before 9-11 and then boom right into it after that. So the majority of my time and my deployments were post-9-11. So it was a good time to be in. But also, I'm very glad to be on the outside now looking back at it because we didn't have to deal with a lot of the things that the team guys or the military in general has to deal with today. Or intelligence circles have to deal with today, meaning drones. We see all that coming out of Ukraine. A lot of the cyber side of the house, let's say you're doing something in intelligence circles and you're,

on an alias going into a country. Well, guess what? There's facial recognition technology that is now going to pin you as someone else and have you dragged into that room for an interrogation. So there's a lot of things that you have to deal with today that we didn't really have to consider if you're thinking about 2001 to 2011 time frame, which is when I was most active in the SEAL team. But I would like to go back to the 80s for sure and not have this constant input from all sides all day, every single day, where you could sit down with a book and read. You had to wait for your movie to come out on a Friday or Saturday night. You had to wait for your show to come out at 8, 9, 10 at night.

So you had to wait for things. They weren't all instantly available to you at any given time. And I was thinking about this just yesterday, actually. Like, how many people, how many artists, how many directors, actors, how many people are spending their lives scrolling that wouldn't have spent their life scrolling if that didn't exist. What would they have created? What would they have built? Yes. And where they spent their time, especially in those formative years, let's say from age, let's say, let's say 8 to 18 or 10 to 20, that 10 year block where you're so impressionable as a young

person. And I was so fortunate that my mom was a librarian. I read all the greats growing up. So I read Tom Clancy and Nelson DeMille and A.J. Quinnell and J. C. Pollock and Mark Olden and Louis Lomor, David Morell, all of these guys who essentially became my professors in the art of storytelling. But had social media been a thing, then I might have spent that youth scrolling. That's a possibility. But instead, I got to build up this foundation that I'm building on today. And also reading those things at the time when Hunt for Red October is a contemporary thriller. Now you go back and now it's a time machine back to the 80s.

But at the time that I read it, that was a contemporary thriller. So there's just something different about what you do from 8 to 18, 10 to 20 than there is going back and revisiting something at age 30, 40 or 50. So I do think about that a lot because I have kids and in that same battle as every other parent when you're up against the most powerful companies in the history of the world whose sole goal is essentially to keep kids from reading. Yeah, to monopolize their attention. You have dropped so many threads I want to pull on already. Yeah, the amount of time, you're absolutely right. And I mean, I say this living in a glass house that I lose in a day. The amount of time that I lose scrolling.

and what that time could have been given to is shameful and to think about an entire generation, potentially of lost, you put it in terms of art, but just lost independent thought, just lost creative thought of any sort is potentially a civilizational type of problem here. Okay, but let me pick on some of the threads here that you've dropped. So I actually thought about this. Cry Havoc, 1960s. formative years for you and everything that you're reading 1980s your actual warfare that you participated in 21st century what do you think was your time jack like if you did have a time machine because i also know you're a gadget guy

like you like all the stuff you may not wear a whip band but you like the gadgets um so you go back in time you're going to lose your gadgets a little bit so i'm curious and i'm not just asking you as a warrior I'm asking you as a person, like, when do you think you would have wanted to live? For sure, the 80s. It was just such a great time because, you know, you're out of World War II. That generation came back. Didn't whine about it. They got to work building this country into the greatest country in the history of the world,

but they had to build it. They had to put in that work. They couldn't wallow in the experiences of World War II. They had to build on that right into the Cold War. We have the 60s, of course. You have assassinations. You have turmoil. You move into the 70s.

Now, okay, we still have some issues with gas and oil and things like that. But we're coming out of a very interesting time in U.S. history. And then we hit the 80s. And if you're a kid that grows up in that time, when you still have parents that are going to work, a lot of us had both parents going to work so you had this freedom. You didn't have an electronic tether. You didn't have to check in with your parents via text. They couldn't track you at any given time.

You got dropped off on us. So basically your age. You think you did grow up in the right age then? because that's about, you know, that's roughly your age. But I want to stay there. That's the point. I want to stay back there, which I'm going to stay there. So my time machine now is why my goal is to get a DeLorean and put it into a barn and then to have a RCA video disc player, VHS, Betamax on a TV that I can watch while sitting in the DeLorean surrounded by artifacts from the 80s.

Like that's my time machine. So it's not, I don't have it yet, but it's on my list of things to do. And as far as gadgets, I'm back to the vintage stuff. Like I said, this watch right here, it's from the 60s. A lot of the pistols that I'm collecting now, those things come from, but really from the early 1900s onwards. So I do like the vintage type stuff. I drive cars from the 80s, FJ62, Land Cruiser.

I just love that time. I have some 90s ones, too, have some Land Cruiser from the 90s, but they still have a key that you have to put in and turn. And nothing's updating from a cloud when you park a thing. Nothing's beeping at you. Nothing's lane correcting at you. So my wife is like, why don't you get a new car that actually works? And I'm like, well, I just can't do it.

I tried it twice and turned them both back in. I just couldn't do it. So I'm back to 80s and 90s and 70s vehicle. So it's all I can do at this stage is to bring myself back to those simpler times when through some of those gadgets, through some of those physical things like the weapons. Let's take quick break. But continue this conversation with former Navy SEAL worldwide best. seller of the terminal list. Jack Carr

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slash moments to get started. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with the author of The Terminalist, Cry Havoc, and the fourth option, Jack Carr. I'm all over the place because I feel like these conversations are actually kind of starting to weave together. I think I'll be able to do this. This is going to sound like a turn, but it's not.

All right, you, again, you draw on your personal experience as a Navy SEAL. You also, after you have retired, continued to day invested in in in the know about war fighting because of what you've written because you continue to write about contemporary warriors terminalists so forth I'm sure the nicholas maduro raid got your attention while that wasn't seals that was delta I'm sure that got your attention first thing I'm just going to put it open question to you what stuck out to you about that like what when you see that raid what makes it in any way unique or special

Well, first thing I'm thinking of is the guys that did it, whether they were on the ground or supporting wherever they were, that they're back home safe. And, of course, there were some injuries on that. I don't think all of them would come to light quite yet, but there's some serious, valorous actions that took place on that raid. So my first thought is of the guys of the people, of course. And then from there, I think, oh, my gosh, look, this is going to be studied for generations. This is something you're going into a capital city, a fortified compound of a sovereign nation to grab somebody essentially out of their bed and take them back to the United States. That is pretty serious. And it's successful.

So one, okay, amazing. And then when you think about all of those fortifications and you think of all of them, I shouldn't say all, most of them being Russian, former Soviet in origin, what does that mean? Well, we just proved to most of the world that if you, if that's your fortification, guess what? You're not safe. So you see that. We saw some things all in conjunction. We've seen some of them before here and there, but really not highlighted the way that we've seen them this time, meaning the air armada that is essentially going in. And we're seeing that cyber attack on Caracas's power facilities.

And so the lights are going out. So you're using all this technical and tactical advantages all coming together as this whole package. is going in and our guys are going in in helicopters to land, to disembark, to go and be ready to deal with safe rooms and all the rest of it, with their exothermic torches and breaching saws, all the rest of the things that they have in the arsenal that we've got that we developed really. Yeah, pre-9-11, but the acceleration of those those tactics, techniques, and procedures just took off during the wartime. So to have all of that come together and see it work the way it did, that that's something special. But the other lesson here, And I read this somewhere. So I want to give credit where credit is due. It wasn't exactly, it wasn't from me. I think multiple people are talking about it. Is what does the enemy learn?

And that's something I think about in my books. That's something I thought about on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan. What does the enemy learn about us up to this point so they can anticipate our next move so that we can, in turn, adapt faster than there? Because usually on the battlefield, the person who adapts faster than their enemy comes out on top. So what does the enemy learn from this? Not just rah, yes, this is amazing. U.S. power.

or we went in there and we did all this with these technical and tactical advantages. Well, what is the enemy taking from this? That's the real question. And I think in this case, it's including that, well, all of these fortifications, if they came from Russia, they are not going to hold up against an American strike like this, an American operation like this. So what does? Okay, some of those other things. Maybe infiltrating our country using people that are already here.

Nuclear deterrence, of course. and in the case of Iran, North Korea, other places around the world, that must be something top of mind. Like, okay, all of these fortifications we have aren't going to work, but guess what is a deterrent? Oh, a nuclear deterrent. So I think that is the way of taking away from this. Hey, our fortifications don't work, but what will other things? What do you make of the weaponry? This hasn't been confirmed, and I had Senator Mark Wayne Mullen on the show, who's on the House Armed Services Committee, and I did ask him about it.

I really didn't expect to get a fully forthright answer from the senator. But President Trump has now alluded to there was something different that was used. There's Internet talk of these, I don't know, sonic weapons that might have been used by the United States, like an auditory or sub-auditory signal that was put out that became somewhat debilitating to the Venezuelan defense forces. Is this science fiction type stuff? or in what you know and what you've learned, is this in the arsenal? I would suspect that there are things in it. Well, if the reports are true, then it's already out there.

But I'm certain that there are sonic type weapons in development or in the research phase and have been for decades. And a lot of those things that were science fiction eventually became true, like submarines, airplanes, going to the moon, those sorts of things. A lot of these, a lot of those types of things came from the pages of fiction and then became nonfiction later. So I don't know. I didn't get to use any of that sort of thing and had no touch point with them in the military. But if we have them in the arsenal, and this was a good place to try to use them. And they'll be taking those lessons learned back and then improving on those weapon systems if, in fact, they do exist. Okay.

Let's stay with current events a little bit. A little bit. I'm not going to push you into speaking to things you don't. But, okay, so cry havoc is said in the 1960s, late 1960s, which is a very tumultuous time in America. As you pointed out, there was assassinations going on. There was Vietnam. There was a lot of racial strife. And for that matter, political strife, like people just turning on each other in America.

We're at a pretty tense point in America here. And, you know, it's interesting when you have this conversation because here is fluid. I feel like we've had this conversation for a while. We had this conversation in 15. Are we more divided than we ever have been? And maybe the more sober-minded of us go, well, there was the 1960s. And, well, there was the 1860s. So there are points in history and go, look, this may not be the worst.

it's been in America. But, you know, we had the Grammys last night. We got the protest on the street across America, Los Angeles, Minneapolis. You've got new chop zones. If you'll remember the chop zones from 2020, these autonomous zones that popped up in Seattle. Well, there's those popping up now in Minneapolis. And it's tense. It's really, really tense.

I mean, the rhetoric, honestly, I think you can go back to the 1960s and beyond. The rhetoric is worse than I wasn't alive. But I can't imagine they were calling each other Nazis and a, authoritarian and calling for Fort Sumter moments and the type of thing we're hearing today. But having written a book set in the 60s and really diving into that time period, like, do you see parallels between then and now? Certainly do. And one of the reasons I went back to the 60s goes back to something we talked about earlier,

a little bit of the technology that now is, you know, it's invaded the popular culture as far as film, television, books, because you can't just discount being able to text someone, having cameras out, facial recognition technology, all of those things, you have to weave into storylines now. So I wanted to go back to a time that was more pure that you could really explore. And this is really my first espionage story set in Saigon, primarily, 1968. So I wanted to go back to a time where I could explore that more traditional tradecraft where you didn't have all these technical advantages that we have today.

But in thinking about the parallels between then and now, certainly saw them in my research on the 60s, but even more so in the 1860s, like you mentioned. And what used to give me hope was thinking about, let's say this is 10 years ago, that, hey, we were much more divided in the 1860s. We had an actual Civil War. And then we came back together. But then I think, oh, guess what we didn't have back in the 1860s? We didn't have social media.

We didn't have these manipulation devices in our pockets each and every day that allowed not just those companies that host the platforms, but foreign entities, but political parties, all of these different entities can now manipulate through these phones and they can do it to that group that we talked about earlier. And if I'm thinking about this 10 years ago, well, that 10 year old is now 20,

that 15 year old is now 25. That 20 year old is now 30. So they've been manipulated now for those formative years. And if they don't recognize these things as manipulation, then they can't take steps to counter it. So we've really lost that ability to think, and I'm saying this is a broad stroke, of course, that ability to think logically, to study something in depth, to have that foundational knowledge upon which to delve into if you're going to make a statement, have an opinion, share that opinion.

You just allow yourself now to be manipulated by the strongest voices of the day. And is that even an algorithm? Is that even a person now? Is it an AI entity that is set up for clicks and is it set up specifically to enrage? And now we have once again that whole generation that's growing up enraged in that fight or flight state in their in their hearts and souls because of these devices that they carry around. So I don't know what the answer is. I know part of it is recognizing it as manipulation and then being able to take steps to counter.

But if you've been preconditioned through those formative years to be manipulated and that that's your steady state, that's your foundation, then I don't know. And so going back, taking it back to the 1860s, I don't know if we would have come together as a country. if we'd had social media on devices in our pockets meant to manipulate. So I just don't know. So I tried to remain hopeful. It's really difficult. So the premise is that at least in the path there was a shared reality and you would hope the path of logic and reason to recognize that reality that we would acknowledge there were

very heightened, impassioned and emotional times, but you could revert, you could return, hopefully, at least a great amount of the population to that shared reality. that's the past. What you're saying now is you are constantly fed a surface level emotional reaction. See the video. Read the characterization of the video. And then, I mean, you can feel how you want Jack, but I mean, celebrities whose job it is to sing get up on a stage and then make a statement, a very impassioned, emotional, moral statement based upon very shallow evidence.

And let's be real, not deep understanding of context, laws, constitution, history. whatever it may be. So now you never have to or never have an opportunity to use that logic and reason to get back to a shared reality. So you just stay there. As you says, stay there in that enraged state. And you're saying something more. Raised there. Raised in that state.

So you're almost raised with a psychosis. And so that's the difference between now and even as divided as we were then. Like you can't, how do you come together if you share nothing? Share nothing. It's tough. And I don't have the answer, but that's the foundation from which the next generation is building. Now, going back to celebrities, it's interesting when I do these little profiles on my social media of stars that I grew up watching and I'm looking at guys like Lee Marvin or Charles Bronson. And I'm looking at their past and what they did in World War II.

You had a lot of stars back then who served in World War II and not just entertaining, but actually in ground and air combat. Jimmy Stewart. So you have these guys that came then to Hollywood and they all had. hang out at the, what is the VW down Hollywood and all that stuff. And you can go there today. It's a really cool place. And they have photos of the black and white photos of these guys on the walls. And they used to, I mean, they lived hard. They definitely lived hard. It was a different time in Hollywood, that's for sure. But they came back. But they had this. And even the people who of that generation that didn't serve in World War II in ground combat or air combat

type roles or combat on the seas, they still had that shared experience as a nation. The whole nation went through that. They went through the Great Depression. They went through World War II. And then, wow, we're essentially a new nation that has to lead the world. And they were part of that. And now we're the beneficiaries of that, but we didn't have to invest in it, if that makes sense. We didn't have the majority of people didn't have to put anything into this system that now serves them and gives them all these amazing options and opportunities every single day just by being an American citizen, but without the investment. And so I think that's the difference. There's not a shared experience of investment in this experiment called America. So it's a different time. And once again,

I don't have the answers on how to fix that, to give us a shared experience going forward, to bring us back to some of those same roots that we had. Religion is certainly one. Going to church, the Bible, civics, we really understand why we have this Constitution and Bill of Rights, the history behind it, what it gives us, what was sacrificed for it. And what those people back then sacrificed each and every day so that we could live the lives we have today. So there's a lot of it can be solved, I think, if people put the phone down and get into the pages of a book and not just nonfiction studying history, but even fiction because through that you develop compassion and empathy because you're you're reading about other people's lives through their eyes. And it's

very difficult to develop that compassion and empathy other ways, especially if you're only seeing the social channels because that does the opposite. It does the opposite. It does the opposite of that. It builds, it does not build compassion and empathy. Those algorithms are made to do the exact opposite to keep you focused, keep you clicking, keep you scrolling, and really control your life.

Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with former Navy SEAL worldwide bestseller of the Terminalist. Jack Carr on Will Kane Country. When Westcham first took flight in 1996, the vibes were a bit different. People thought denim on denim was peak fashion, inline skates were

everywhere, and two out of three women rocked, the Rachel. While those things stayed in the 90s, one thing that hasn't is that fuzzy feeling you get when WestJet welcomes you on board. Here's to WestJetting since 96. Travel back in time with us and actually travel with us at Westjet.com slash 30 years. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with the author of The Terminalist, Cry Havoc and the fourth option, Jack Carr. Okay, one more deep question than just a couple of light questions. So, okay, James Reese. James Reese in the terminal list in several books. He is a character who is taking somewhat of a vigilante action against a corrupted system. Is that a fair characterization,

don't you think? I think that is. It's about revenge without constraint and essentially bringing the wars from Iraq and Afghanistan home to the doors of people who just sent men and women downrange for the time I'm like 16 years, but now 25. Okay, well, I haven't read it. Chris Walker, the new character, the new protagonist, in the fourth option, is a little bit similar. It's like I've seen it likened to a Western, okay? You know, it's not the black hat, but I'm not sure it's the white hat. It's the guy. The stranger comes to town.

Exactly. That mysterious stranger comes to town. Yeah. Yeah. But actually, this is an idea I wrote down. I was running down all my ideas at the outset when I was deciding which one to go with. And I went with a terminal list, but the fourth option just wouldn't leave me. And so it's different in that domestic focus and it's stranger comes to town based on actually

have gun will travel. I bought this in the PX in Baghdad in 2005, but I used to watch this from my dad when I was five, six, seven years old. So have gun will travel. It's the foundation for that story, but also people who've watched Shane or Magnificent Seven or High Plains Drifter, Pale Rider, all. of those old stranger comes to town type westerns that I watched during those formative years that we discussed, that forms the foundation.

Of course, being a child of the 80s, people will find little drops of things like lethal weapon in there, maybe a tiny bit of air wolf, a little bit of A team, certainly the equalizer from the 80s. So all of that kind of that experience comes into the pages of the fourth option, because I wanted to really differentiate it from the terminal list series because the character's going to have a similar background. There's going to be a vigilante aspect to it, but I had to make that character different with different passions, different underlying foundations,

but the stranger comes to town, Naradov, and it's my modern interpretation of the old school Western. Okay, take both of these characters. They're vigilantes going up against something, a system, an injustice. When you have that, okay, I want you, all of these people, again, I'm not asking you to address politics specifically, but this could be a bigger question. All of these people right now see themselves in America,

on the streets of Minneapolis, wherever they may be, they see themselves in some form as a vigilante hero, perhaps in a collective group, right? But they are standing up in their minds to the man. Now, they and I can disagree on whether or not what they're standing up for is just or unjust. But there is no doubt that's how they see themselves. They see that they would probably like to see themselves like a civilian version of James Reese, against what they think, in their own words, is an authoritarian system. a country that is losing its democracy.

And so I see your face already, but you have this vigilante heroic character, too, now. And what would you say? Like when you see these other people who are going, I'm the vigilante hero. Like in that world, everybody's right. Kind of right? Because you're writing your own story.

Well, first, I've seen pictures with some of these people out there and they look nothing like James Reese and don't seem to have the same capabilities as a James Reese or Chris Walker. So, but once again, as I say, as I say in the story, they have a whistle. They have a whistle. Yeah, they have some very annoying whistles. But as I, yeah, so I think there's a, there's a lot of differences there. But first one being, one is being manipulated essentially by those same forces that we talked about earlier.

There's no doubt in my mind about that. And in a sense, I feel sorry for a lot of those people out there. I feel sorry for the people who lost their lives out there and their families because they were, I think, manipulated by whether it's the algorithm, whether it's politicians, whether it's quote-unquote influencers, whatever it is. That manipulation arrived at a phone in their pocket or on their computer screen or whatever it is to get them to take these actions that logically really don't make sense, especially if they weren't doing it 10 plus 15 years ago now under a different administration that was deporting more people than. the current one. So obviously the same actions are taking place, yet there's a different response from a certain segment of society. Why is that? Well, why do you think manipulation through those devices? So my characters are not being manipulated by an algorithm to go out and take actions. Yeah, some of them might be illegal actions, but then in some cases they're also justified legally in the end and people have to read the books to find out how. But

But I do go back to that, and maybe some of it's a frustration, but there's something about watching someone on a screen or reading it in a book where you know that you can't do these things in real life. Like you go and you watch Commando in the 80s, however, you know you can't do that stuff in real life. But you have this cathartic experience in a theater with other people and you walk out. But you know because you're a logical human being that you can't go out and just start killing everyone or you'll end up in prison and on death row. Like, that's just how it goes. But you can watch Death Wish. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Howver many Death Wish movies there are.

There's a reason that they can make them over and over again. And it wasn't because people didn't go to see him. It wasn't because people didn't connect with them. It was for the opposite of that. Yet people didn't, people know you can't go out and take those actions because you're a citizen of this country and you have this foundation of law and order. But there's some sort of catharsis that takes place when you see somebody do it in a fictional setting. So that's how

I grew up and there's and then if we go back even farther, there was another reason for storytelling. And that was around the campfire, passing along lessons from the hunt and from combat so that those lessons could then be passed down in oral fashion then, but eventually written

down. So there was a reason for it. I think that's another reason why we are so connected to books, fiction, films, television, because if we go back, that the primeval, part of our beings realized there was a reason for this at the outset of time. And that's because the tribe, the family, the community needed to survive through the lessons in those stories. So

there's a piece there as well. Okay. This is the last couple things here just really quick and light. So you've talked a lot about the military books that were formative for you in the 80s nights. You also name drop a couple, you know, cops and robbers. You brought up lethal weapon and some of these others that have influenced, if not the first series, this new one, the fourth option. But The Stranger Comes to Town is a little bit of a Western theme as well. So I don't know if you are a Western guy. But you did mention Louis Lamor. And I was a Louis Lamore fan.

By the way, one of my favorite Louis Lamore books is in a Western. Last of the Breed. Last of the Breed. That seems like a Jack Car book. I mean, that's such a Jack Car book. It's so great. It's heavily influenced book Savage John. And I acknowledge that in the acknowledgments and the acknowledgments.

in the preface, I believe. But what a great book that was. And I can't believe they didn't make it into a movie in 19, let's say, 87, 88. And right after it came out, it was, I mean, we were right out the Rambo craze kind of in 1985, that big summer. And then you have this book that has some similarities of an Air Force pilot shot down in a prison camp in Siberia escapes and has to make his way across the tundra and then back kind of following where his ancestors, because he's a, a first nation, Native American guy and works his way across. It's so good. So good. So I can I believe we did not get. Last of the Breed starring Lou Diamond Phillips in 1987.

Fantastic. You know, you can. I'm in. I mean, that's why I want to go back so I can make that movie. That's why I'm so intent on going back. That'd be fantastic. Produce it. Don't go back.

You could produce that now, Jack. You have that Hollywood wait. But it's a little different now. The Soviet Union isn't out there. We're not all thinking about Red Dawn as kids. Like, just waiting for it, waiting to get up to those hills. We can take on the Soviets. So it's a little different now if we were to make that.

today. But at the height of the Cold War, that movie would have crushed. Oh, such a missed opportunity. Dang it. By the way, if you haven't heard that book, for those who who have not read it. That book is thick. It's an Air Force pilot spy plane, I think, right? Shot down over the Soviet Union. The pilot is an American Indian. He's shot down in the rural parts of the gigantic Soviet Union. And he decides that he has to get back to America. And he hikes it all the way through all the forest and tundra and blizzards and snow and Native American tribes and he's hunted the entire time by these Soviet. Also, by the way, Native American, Native American, Native Russian, whatever it was.

Natives tribes. And he, doesn't he Jack in the end, doesn't he Roa Chayat? Don't give it away for everybody. Don't give it away. Yeah, spoiler, even though it's been out for like 40 years. But it's so good. And that's probably the best beginning and end to a book that I've ever read. I think that is, it's certainly up there.

in the top five, if not number one. The way that book starts and ends and the way it all ties together is simply brilliant. Okay, so that's where I was headed. Give me your westerns, Jack. Give me the, I mean, I'll tell, I'll make it easy for you. I'll tell you this, and I haven't thought about it, but the ones I go back to. First of all, Lonesome Dove, and that's 1991, is a gigantic epic, obviously based off a book by James McMertry, or Larry McMurtry.

James McMertry is his son, who's a singer. but that's always in my rotation. It's in my profile picture, I believe. Tombstone, but I love Tombstone, but it's not, there's modern ones that I know country for old men is great. Hell or High Water, the Taylor Sheridan written movie, which I love that. And by the way, those are black hat vigilantes in that movie,

but you root for them. What's your westerns, Jack? I think I have to go with Magnificent Seven and True Grit. It's just because of one of the time that they were. The old true grit or the new true grit? The old true grit. The new true grid is more true to the book, but the old true grid is the one I grew up with,

so I have this connection to it. So old true grit with John Wayne, of course, is fantastic. Another great ending. We're talking about endings. Magnificent 7, of course, such a fantastic film. Wild Bunch, of course. So those ones right there are so different from one another. Butchcasting the Sundance Kid.

What's interesting about Butchcasting the Sundance Kid, Wild Bunch and True Grit, is that they came out in the same year. And each one speaks to something different, of course. Butchcasting the Sundance Kid is like, is 60s, I think it was 1969, but let's just say it speaks to the 60s,

like a present day type of thing, even though it's a Western. Then we have True Grit, which is the past. That is certainly an homage to the old Westerns of yesterday year. And then we have, we have a wild bunch. And that, of course, is looking forward. into the future. So those three Westerns, I think, are so influential because they came out in the same year and each spoke to a different segment of society. So those three stand out to me. But of course, Tombstone, Pale Rider, Unforgiven, you know, those more modern ones, fantastic as well. But those went from 1969.

And Magnemekinson 7 was a few years before that. But just fantastic. Just fantastic. And I find myself now, gosh, I can't remember the name of it. But there are some Westerns that I didn't see growing up. I did see them with my dad. They, they were, I didn't catch the name because I was just the remote control going up to switch between, let's say a Western and football or whatever, whatever it was. So there's some fantastic Westerns out there. High noon. There's some great old ones out there. You have to have the patience for them, though, and the time to invest.

You can't be on your phone also watching these things. You have to commit to them because the pace isn't the same as today. The actors are going to beat the bot over and over again so you can understand it, you know. So it's a different time. You have to translate yourself back. to the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and put yourself in the shoes of someone in those decades to watch them through that lens. So it's different. But those three that I mentioned are the best. But for me, anyway, just because of the time in which they came out. All right, last question. I'm going to let you go.

You just held up the fourth option, which comes out in May. I think it's available for pre-order. What I'm shocked about is when you held it up, you're still redlining it. How is that thing not on the printing presses yet? Isn't the lead time for a book? Maybe not for Jack Carr. Maybe that's the deal. Jack Carr can finish a book and we'll get it on the presses and in the binders within a month and a half. But that seems really tight, Jack. It is pretty tight. And it's not the tightest I've ever. It's actually for me, this is well ahead of schedule, although I'm past multiple deadlines.

But it is pretty good for me. But yeah, don't expect to have to finish a book and have it go right to the printing press. That's just kind of how it works these days for me. But I'm trying to get ahead. That's why there's not a James Reese book this year. There's the fourth option coming, but then as soon as I finish with these edits, then I go right into the next James Reese, James Reese, and that one will come out probably 2027.

But I needed to catch back up because of all of these different projects that I've been doing over the last few years, a book a year. The 1968 book took a lot more time than I anticipated, bringing myself back to that year because I wanted to write it through the lens of 1968 without bringing 50 plus years of hindsight to the story. So that took a ton of time, a lot longer than I thought, put me way behind. And we had a couple of shows come out also, filmed True Believer, which should be coming out later this year. I was hoping we would come out on Fourth of July weekend. I would love to drop all eight episodes, Fourth of July weekend.

Bingeable, Chris Pratt starring. But I think it might be pushed to the fall. I'm not sure. But my vote and my push is to get it Fourth of July weekend as a blockbuster, all eight episodes at once for people. I think that's what people want. But doing that, had the Dark Wolf came out last year, so we filmed that, post-production on that, that thing out. So there's been all these projects that I've been involved with. Have any documentary coming out? Perhaps with Fox Nation to stand by, that hasn't been announced yet, but that's the B we should be seeing that later this year. So that's a little teaser for that. But that also took a lot longer than I expected. So anyway, point being fourth option May 12th, uh, audiobook, Ray Porter, who's absolutely incredible. He narrates all my books to include the nonfiction book on Beirut,

1983. And then I'll be diving right back into James Reese to get that out, 2027. All right, Jack Carr, always great to talk to you, man. The fourth option is the newest project. It's available for pre-order very soon. Make sure you get on that. And cry havoc, it hadn't been out that long. So you can get cry havoc as well. Jack Carr, thanks so much, Jack. Hey, thanks so much for having me. You take care. You bet. That wraps up today's best of Wilcane country. Appreciate you being here. And we're going to see you next time. Listen to ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. And Amazon Prime members, you can listen to this show,

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