Will Cain Country - From The Vault: How China Uses "Birth Tourism" To Overtake America (ft. Peter Schweizer & Xi Van Fleet)

Episode Date: May 15, 2026

Illness has overtaken Will again, but that doesn’t mean the conversation stops. With President Donald Trump wrapping up his China summit, we’ve opened up the vault for you with some of our most relevant conversations about the CCP in this ‘Best Of...’ edition of 'Will Cain Country.'First up, Author of ‘The Invisible Coup: How American Elites and Foreign Powers Use Immigration as a Weapon' Peter Schweizer joins Will to expose how Democratic operatives, elite-funded NGOs, and foreign powers weaponized illegal immigration to reshape U.S. politics. The most shocking example? China’s use of “birth tourism” to secure long-term influence inside America.Plus, Chinese Cultural Revolution Survivor and Author of ‘Made In America’ Xi Van Fleet explains how today’s Left-wing protests mirror the events of Mao’s Cultural Revolution in the late ’60s, and how American influence set the stage for the CCP’s takeover.Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@WillCainNews)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You're listening to Will Kane Country. I'm Will Kane, and today is a best-of show. Strong conversation, sharp moments, and topics that actually broke through the daily turn. It's a good look and what we do here and why you listen. Let's start. He is the author of The Invisible Coup, How American Elites and Foreign Powers use immigration as a weapon. He is a president of the Government Accountability Institute. It is Peter Schweitzer.

What's up, Peter? How you doing, man? I hope you're keeping warm. Thank you. It's warming up. It's thawing out. Everything is melting. That's enough.

That's enough for me. You know, living in Texas, once a year, a little white on the ground is all we need. And then we can move forward and start getting back to spring and warmth. The rest of the country and your bomb cyclone that's happening in the Northeast, we wish you luck with that. Have some more snow. We're done here. Peter, what is the Manchurian? generation. Yeah, this is how China on an industrial scale has weaponized birthright citizenship. So

birthright citizenship, of course, that's related to the 14th Amendment. Some people say that it means anybody born in the United States, even if you're here for two days, if you're born here, that child is a U.S. citizen. And the Supreme Court is going to take up that case and and debate what that actually means. And I think a lot of people assume that, you know, this is people slipping across the border. This is a student who happens to be here and gives birth. China has created up a massive way of manufacturing U.S. citizens. So what do I mean? You have birth tourism in China whereby a couple, the mother will come to the United States. She'll give birth. The child will be given you a citizenship because they were born here.

they will travel back to China and the child will be raised in Chinese Communist Party schools, you know, in that ecosystem. And when they turn 18, that child will have the rights of every other U.S. citizen. They're going to be able to vote in elections, donate to political campaigns, apply for U.S. government jobs. And the question's been, what is the scale here? Now, our federal government has no idea, Will, because we don't track that information on a birth certificate. it does not list the nationality of the parents. But the Chinese government has looked at this, and the Chinese government has encouraged this, beginning in 2011.

They were running articles in the People's Daily telling members of the CCP elite, hey, you should do this. Your child can get U.S. citizenship, and of course you wonder why they would encourage this behavior. But what is the scale we're talking about? The Chinese government, a couple of research firms in China have looked at this, and they say that over the last 13 years, every year, roughly, 100,000 Chinese babies have been born in the United States. Come on.

Yeah. 100,000. That's their number. A hundred thousand annually. A year. Of Chinese people coming over to the United States to have their kids on American soil so that they have birthright citizenship, move back to China, raised in China, turn 18, can vote, can live, can do whatever they want in America.

That is, would you say 13 years? 1.3 million? that's your Manchurian generation? Yeah, that's the Manchurian generation. It's going to start cresting in 2028. That's the first year that this big wave really happened. So it's a huge national security problem. You think about, you know, you've got a million voters, U.S. citizens that are voters in China.

The 2016 election was settled by 72,000 votes. So there's enormous political influence here. There's another component to this will, and that's the rise of service. So in this particular case, a guy in China will hire an American woman to carry his child. He'll pay her 50 to 60 grand to carry the child. Same thing. The child is born. The child will be a U.S. citizen because they were born here.

Also their mother, their biological mother is American. They will then be picked up oftentimes by a third party, not even by the dad, picked up by a third party and sent back to China. We have no idea of the numbers on this. The Chinese government hasn't even estimated, but let me just give you two data points. Number one, the Wall Street Journal had an article about five weeks ago, from page story, about a single billionaire in China who's close to the CCP. He alone has 100 children that were born in the United States by this technique that are now being raised in China.

This is the Wall Street Journal. and there are other instances of guys that are, you know, like in the middle double digits. But to look at the scale of this, just in Southern California, we found 107 Chinese-owned surrogacy companies that are offering these services in China to members of the elite. So this is a huge, huge, huge problem. I had read that story in the Wall Street Journal. That's the only reason I'm not reacting with us quite as much. shock at that story. It is incredibly shocking that a billionaire in China has had over 100 kids in the United States via surrogacy. Obviously, obviously, there is no paternal instinct driving

you to 100 kids via surrogacy. There is a political instinct that is a payoff, or at the very least, a financial instinct that is a payoff for the dynasty that you are building in China. The number that you say there that shocks me, Peter, is the businesses, 100 in Southern California facilitating the surrogacy. Back to the 100,000 a year, where is that coming from? I know you said it's hard to measure scale. How confident are you in that number that 100,000 of year are doing this birthright tourism, having kids on the U.S. soil?

Well, what I'm doing is I'm reporting what the Chinese government estimate is, and they gave that figure of roughly 100,000. They gave kind of a range, but 100,000 is the middle of that. there's also a research company in China that's looked at this. And they say that they calculated for individual years. They said, I think it was in 2018. They believe in just 2018, there were 150,000 in just that year. So these are estimates, but these are not estimates by people who have a reason to fearmonger or anything like that. I think these are efforts to get at the bottom of these numbers. And Will, the other thing to point out is there's lots of anecdotal, like that.

evidence. I mean, there are people, I quote them in the book, who say, you know, they are on flights going from Los Angeles to Beijing or to Shanghai. And they said literally the entire front of the plane is occupied by individuals and babies. You know, and they're shocked. They said, you fly on, you go through a business class. Every space is taken by an individual with a child that they are bringing back to China, a newborn, newborn infants. So it's a big problem. And the thing that's weird about this will you've talked about uh california and the the the problems with california california regulates a lot of things right they don't regulate this so california is the ground zero for this um you can't engage in widespread surrogacy in a lot of other states birth tourism

is limited in a lot of other states it's ground zero is in california and so you're going to have to have the california government try to you know squelch this uh i'm not sure you're they're going to do it. So that's the dilemma we're in. Let me dig into intention. Intention is always hard. I had almost a throwaway statement a moment ago, Peter, when I said, you don't have this out of paternal instinct in talking about the surrogacy case of the billionaire having 100 kids in the United States. But let's talk about all of this, the surrogacy and the birthright tourism angle. I threw out, almost dismissively, you don't have that as a paternal instinct. You have that has a political instinct or at the very least a financial instinct.

I actually want to dig into what I threw away. Should I leap immediately to? This is some CCP-directed program to exert some measure of influence over American political future. Or is it individuals in China liberated to make financial decisions that are advantageous for their family? There is probably nothing more valuable than American citizenship on the world stage. and they're getting this for their kids. So are they doing it out of the age-old explanation and intention and motivation for most self-interest? Or are they doing it for Mother China?

It's a great question. And you're right. It's very hard to get it in intentions. But here are a couple of things we know. We know that China did this on a smaller scale or tried to do this in Hong Kong in the early 2000s. And the Hong Kong government at that time shut it down. They got rid of birthright citizenship for Chinese national. because they believe that it was an orchestrated effort to basically take over China through this technique.

The second thing that I would say about intention is you can go online. I list some of the web pages in the chapter of these companies that offer birth tourism, and they will list who their clientele is. They're not political dissidents. They're not guys that are managing a department store. They are military officers. intelligence officers, senior officials with the Ministry of Propaganda, senior officials within the CCP political apparatus.

These are the clients that are listed by these firms. And then you have individual cases. We know of a senior military officer in the People's Liberation Army who has three children, who are U.S. citizens. He brought his wife here three times to get U.S. citizenship. So are there cases of some of these people? wanting a escape hatch right things go bad in China we can try to get to the United States there's probably some of that but the fact is the Chinese

Communist Party encouraged this they they ran articles about it and pushed it beginning like 15 years ago and the other thing that we know is that these birth tourism companies operate openly in China they advertise they have high-level clients if the Chinese government did not want this to happen they would not have publicized it and pushed it, and they certainly would shut down this industry in a minute. It would not be difficult for them to do that, but they haven't done that. So I think that's what is most important to understand about their intentions. We'll take a quick break. More of this Best of Wilcane Country coming up. Glad you're with us. Let's get back to this best of edition

of Wilcane Country. So really quickly back to the timeline. You said this really began about 13 years ago. So you said it will crest, and if I'm doing my math correctly, in about five years, that's when you'll get the first wave of this birthright tourism generation, capable of moving to the United States at the age of 18, voting, and doing whatever they want here as an American citizen. Yeah. And here's the thing. When they turn 18, a lot of states, you don't have to vote. You don't have to establish residency more than a couple of days before an election day. And that you're proof of residency because you can get absentee ballots, right? People that live with American citizens overseas can get absentee ballots.

All you need to do is establish is that you have a physical address in a congressional district or in a state or wherever. And there have already been reports of, you know, condos or apartments that have 15 or 16 foreign nationals registered to that apartment. These are foreign nationals that have dual citizenship. and they're not even living in the United States, but they're voting in, say, an Arizona election because they, along with 15 others, have listed this apartment. You know, somebody's paying the rent,

and they are listing this apartment as their place of residence. Because local voter checks, you've talked about this on your program, others have as well. There's really not tight security when it comes to dealing with voter fraud. There's this emphasis on accessibility. The problem is it makes it accessible for people overseas, to do this at scale, which is what's going to start happening in 2030. Let's take a minute as a diversion to take a step backwards really quickly.

And let's talk about birthright citizenship, because it's the backbone of this entire story. Peter, you may know, and I've done this, and I just can't recall off the top of my head, I might, I might be recalling it accurately. Are we the only country that really does this that has birthright citizenship? I don't think European countries honor birthright citizenship. I don't know who else does this. Is this uniquely American? It's very, very few countries. Canada does in New Zealand, and there are a couple of other, you know, small third world countries that I'm not sure people would want to get citizenship there. But it's important to point out like New Zealand has it, but New Zealand rigorously looks at people coming into the United States. So if you are pregnant and you show up in New Zealand, they cannot admit you into the country because they deem that you are there to get birthright citizenship. You're there for.

from medical procedure. In the United States, particularly in the Obama administration, they fast-track this. The directive went out in the Obama administration when this really took off, that Customs and Border Patrol were not allowed to ask people that were coming to the United States on a tourism visa for two weeks.

If they were pregnant, they were not allowed to ask them, are you here to give birth to a child? And then in the case of China, you actually have the Obama administration, put in place 10-year visas. And I quote an Australian professor who said, you know, for a fertile woman in China, she could have five or six children in the United States. And this 10-year visa means she will be unhindered.

She shows up, she shows up a Customs Border Patrol. She shows them the 10-year visa, and she slides right in. So if you have birthright citizenship and you do not have rigorous, tight enforcement of your borders, meaning you're pregnant. Sorry, we're not going to admit you in the country because we think you're here for birthright citizenship. You are going to have this problem. Which it sounds honestly that rigor in policing, again, which are actually policing is intentions, is incredibly difficult, which takes me back to the idea of birthright citizenship itself being somewhat absurd and unique on the global scale.

So the problem now that we're going to arrive at, Peter, and I know a fair amount about, the constitutionality and the law on this, as I'm sure you know more, is it should go back and you look at the 14th Amendment's drafting. You look at the language that the framers used at the time. And it's hard to draw, and by the way, also the legislative record behind the drafting of the 14th Amendment, meaning that's what the congressmen and senators wrote when they were drafting this, in essence, giving us their intentions of what they meant. It's hard to come away with the idea that they meant for it to be the way that it has played out over the past, what has it been, roughly 150 years of birthright citizenship. But yet, the Supreme Court has interpreted it to mean exactly as we

think of it here today. And so what we have is a century of precedent. We have a century of Supreme Court decisions that have accepted it means born here, citizen here. And I know that, as you mentioned, they are reviewing this as we speak, because the Trump administration has looked to revoke birthright citizenship. I would not suggest that anyone should retain any sense of optimism on that. I cannot imagine John Roberts overturning 100 years of precedent. Even going back to original intentions of the drafting of the 14th Amendment, I cannot imagine even Neil Gorsuch doing so. I'm not trying to name check or run through my memorization of Supreme Court justice, but I think I'm pretty accurate. Maybe Samuel Lido would do so. We've long lost Scalia, who certainly would be interested in original intentions.

Maybe Thomas would do the right thing as well, in my mind, the right thing. My point is, I don't think they're going to overturn birthright citizenship. Yeah, I will leave that court watching to you because you're a lot more, you know, you've looked at that a lot more detail than I have. What I would say is this. And again, I'm not an attorney. I'm not a constitutional scholar or anything of the sort. But I do think a critical point here is if you're talking about birthright citizenship where somebody snuck across the border 20 years ago and they've lived here for 20 years and they gave birth 15 years ago, maybe you can make the argument that birth rights citizenship applies because there is that, you know, phrase under the jurisdiction thereof. The question is, and I don't know the answer will, maybe you have an opinion on this.

I don't know you can argue that somebody, a baby that is born in the United States, and when they are ready to fly home, flies home and is raised in China, never lives here. And then 18 is a citizen where they really ever under the jurisdiction of the United States. So my argument would be, I don't know if we're going to have the complete upending of birthright citizenship, but it would be interesting to see if the court says, you know what, this birth tourism thing, is garbage because this is not an attempt to become part of the United States. You're not interested in being part of the United States. You're not subject to the jurisdiction of.

This is a convenient act that you took in the modern era to capture U.S. citizenship. Ergo, we think there needs to be limits on, on, you know, how birthright citizenship is applied. And possibly part of a greater scheme by a foreign power to exert influence over the future of American elections. You also write about in this book, The Invisible Coup, you also talk about Mexico and Mexico's footprint now in the United States. Yeah, this was really interesting to me because I kind of had the view. I'm sure it's probably unfair that the Mexican government is largely, you know, corrupt and hapless. But it was very interesting to me. I ran across literally dozens of senior officials making claims about how they view mass migration.

and it's very different from ours. If I would, let me just read a couple of them to you. This is from a December 2024 report written by when a President Scheimbaum's top aides government report, quote, we already know that the Mexican population in the United States reaches 39.9 million. We Mexicans are reclaiming our territory. Or this quote from a powerful Mexican senator,

Marina Party, the ruling party. He sits on the National Defense Committee. Quote, Mexicans are in our territories, California, Nevada, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, Kansas, Oklahoma, Colorado, and Wyoming, we're going to take back the territory that was stolen from us. And, you know, I could read you dozens more. And, you know, so I thought, okay, is this just kind of bravado, right? These guys are just kind of like puffing themselves up. And what you realize is, no, that there actually is a sizable portion of the political leadership who've used mass migration as an opportunity to extend

Mexico's sovereignty into the United States. And it begins at a couple levels. Number one, the involvement of the consulates. Great Britain and China have six and seven consulates in the United States, respectively. Mexico has 53. And as I lay out in the book, they're involved in partisan political activities here, which diplomats are not supposed to be doing. They are also involved in organizing some of these anti-ice protests. But in addition to that, network will you have this what i would say is a clear intrusion on our sovereignty they have this network of senior mexican politicians who live in the united states uh these are migrant senators and migrant deputies in their chamber of deputies their congress they live here and their job is to

represent mexicans in the united states before the government of mexico and some of them there's a senator from uh arizona ruiz who sits in the mexican Mexican Senate who supports legislation to turn California into a state of Mexico. I'm not saying that's going to happen, but that's their intention. And these guys are heavily involved in social disruption in our country. One of them, a guy named Alejandro Robles. Mexican politicians, Mexican politicians that serve in the Mexican government live in the United States and represent the interests of what? citizens in America or Mexican Americans?

Who votes for them? Whose interest do they serve, these politicians? Yeah, any Mexican can go to a consulate, register to vote. And when they have national elections in Mexico, you can vote for the president. You can vote for your representative. In the case of those living in the United States, you can be an American citizen. And if you're a Mexican ancestry, you can register and vote. job of these migrant representatives is to represent the interests in the Mexican government.

It's a complete invasion of our sovereignty. And it relates to this view they have of mass migration as a strategic tool for Mexico to advance their interests and advance their political causes within the United States. And they're actively doing that. God Lord. Good Lord. Peter, I mean, it's a political cliche that might be the only cliche that matters in politics. Demographics is destiny. Whether or not we're talking about the Manchurian generation of what's happening with this Chinese birth tourism,

whether or not we're talking about this issue with sovereignty in Mexico, or we talk about the Somali refugee population sending money back to Somalia. We have a real problem with demographics and sovereignty. We do. And what I would add, Will, is that what people don't recognize is the Mexican government, certainly the Chinese government, and the Muslim Brotherhood, when it relates to Muslims in the United States, aggressively go after those in their communities who embrace.

the American dream, who Americanized, who assimilate. So, for example, as it relates to Mexico, this surprises a lot of people, but it's absolutely true. And there's numerous examples. With regards to Mexico, there's a guy named Alejandro Robles. So he sits in the Mexican Chamber of Deputies, their Congress, but he lives in Ontario, California, outside of Los Angeles. And he has gone around the country, in his words, quote, organizing the militancy against the Trump administration and has declared that migrants are, quote, at the forefront of civil resistance in the United States. And he goes after those that come to America and embrace the American dream. And his words, Americanize. He calls them traders to Mexico. And he says that Shinebaum,

he's from Shinebom's political party, that Shinebomb agrees with. him that Mexicans that come to the United States embrace our values, you know, learn the language, learn the culture, are traders to Mexico. And in fact, President Scheimbaum had a song commission called The Migrant Hymn that she plays at all these events, which is this jingoistic song about Mexicans in the United States better stay loyal to Mexico and they should not become like the gringoes. So they aggressively, it's not just demographics, as you correctly point out, It's their concerted effort to prevent assimilation, because if assimilation takes place, they lose their political power. Is that not sedition?

The behaviors you just described of Robles, he has to have some status here in the United States to be living in the United States. Does that not fit the definition of sedition? I certainly think it does, yes. I think if you are fomenting and whipping up opposition, he met with a, uh, uh, uh, uh, There's a group called the People's Forum in New York, which is a hotbed of Antifa activism. He met with those guys. He's met with other people. You have another migrant.

You know, there seemed to be a lot in California. You have another migrant deputy who, when the Los Angeles riots broke out last year, you remember those, he was saying that, you know, we are part of the permanent resistance. And he was putting up videos of, and he seemed to be participating in this, of people. harassing Hispanic cops in Los Angeles, calling them traitors. This is the kind of stuff that these guys are doing. Again, these are government officials in Mexico who are living inside the United States. As far as I'm concerned, if you're making your choice to side with the Mexican government, we should kick you out of the country.

It's just not a legitimate role. Don't go anywhere. Back in just a moment with more of this best of edition of Wilcane Country. Welcome back to this best of edition of Will Kane Country. But this is not something that's just happening to us, right? This is not just happening to us from China, not just happening to us from Mexico. This is something that, at the very least, through the facilitation of NGOs funded by American tax dollars, we are also doing to ourselves and politicians who are not sitting here protecting America,

but facilitating and and encouraging this from foreign powers. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, you're exactly right. And that's why in the book, you know, it's about, you know, elites in the United States working with these foreign powers. And you see it in a couple of ways. As it relates to NGOs, a lot of the NGOs that work with refugees or work on immigration, when you look through their own literature will, what they say is they like immigration because of, its transformative power on the United States. In other words, it's going to change America.

America needs to be changed, and immigration is a tool to do that. And you see that manifested in all kinds of ways. When it comes to the political side- That's written? Yes. That's written, you're saying, in the doctrine and manifesto of NGOs? Yes. There are several NGOs that I mentioned in the book that are funded by Bill Gates, George Horace and others, that say, One of the important things, the NGOs should use immigration as a tool to change America. I just want to be clear. That's what they're saying.

Who are these NGOs? The NGOs, I'm trying to remember the names right now. They're in the book. But they explicitly say in their mission statement is that they favor mass migration because of its transformative power on American society. I thought, wait, I thought that was a conspiracy that didn't exist. I thought that was the racist Great Replacement Theory. That very, very exact language has been dismissed as a racist, xenophobic fiction of the paranoid mind of the conservative. I thought that's the great replacement theory.

Yeah, yeah. Well, this is what the NGOs themselves are saying. And what's happening on the political level is the Democratic Party realized beginning in the 1990s under Bill Clinton that mass migration was a political winner. They found that in the 1990s, newly minted citizens that come to the United States that get citizenship in their first couple elections, vote 85% Democrat. The Democrats did a study and they determined this. And so they realized in the 1996 re-election for Bill Clinton, we need to mint a lot of new voters voters to ensure our victory. And look, I quote from the White House emails that were going back and forth on this topic. So what they did was, and this has been replicated by Barack Obama, and it was replicated by Joe Biden, is they completely gutted the citizenship process.

They cast aside hundreds of thousands of criminal background checks. They got rid of the literacy requirements. They got rid of the language requirements because they wanted to ram through as many new citizens as possible, regardless of whether they even met the criteria. And that's why in the modern American history, the three biggest years for new naturalizations were 1996, Bill Clinton's reelection, 2012, Barack Obama's reelection, and 2012. 2024 when Joe Biden tried to win re-election. So they see this as a political winner. That is why the Democratic Party is fighting so hard to avoid deportations. Well, that's exactly, Peter, by the way, what I laid out yesterday at the 4 o'clock hour on the Fox News Channel. Why? That's the question it's got to exist in the background of every person in America right now, those that can get beyond, you know, a viral video of a tragedy, of a man being killed. Why? Why are so many people, fighting so hard to stop the deportation, in this case of simply criminal illegal aliens. And my contention yesterday, Peter, was, well, have you seen the new census?

The anticipation of the 2030 census is a projection. But because of the way Americans are moving, literally, you know, to Texas, to Florida, to the south, you are going to see the electoral map, the electoral college map, and the congressional seat map favor Republicans incredibly, starting in 2030. Texas is going to gain, Florida's going to gain, New York's going to lose. And if that map had existed in 24, Donald Trump would have won the presidency. He would have smoked Kamala Harris and wouldn't have needed the quote-unquote blue wall. Wouldn't have needed Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, wouldn't need the traditional swing states.

They won't matter anymore because Texas and Florida and the southern states will carry so much weight. And so Democrats see this, and they're going to have to figure out a way. And we can set aside for now whether or not illegals vote. Just being on the census rolls, change your congressional app, changes the electoral college map. And the census counts everybody, legal or illegal. And so they see this. They see this. And they're fighting tooth and nail because it's political death down the line for them.

Yeah, you nailed it, Will. That's exactly right. And just look at the math. California has four more congressional seats totally because of illegals that are in that state, because of the way that the census is conducted as you laid out. Now, you think four congressmen, what does that mean? That's actually a larger congressional delegation than 13 American states. Eligals in California have a larger representation in Congress than 13 different states in our, in our state. country. So it's hugely important. The other dynamic is progressives recognize and see that not only does it help them electorally, but progressives see that it moves the Democratic Party to the left. Because again, there's been a lot of research and study done on this. A lot of the radical movements, a lot of the more radical unskilled labor unions. I'm not talking about the auto workers and teamsters. I'm talking about, you know, the SCIUs of the world. Those. unions are largely led by immigrants that have come to the United States in the last 20 to 25 years. And what labor scholars who are sympathetic to the cause will say is they have moved the labor

movement far to the left because many of these people were involved in radical movements in their home countries, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Mexico. They came here and they essentially brought the revolution here. In fact, there's a professor from UCLA who's sympathetic to... the cause who says exactly that. They brought the revolution here. So it helps the Democratic Party and it also moves the Democratic Party further to the left by virtue of they are capturing these institutions like labor unions that used to be a lot more centrist. But I want to take this a little bit bigger for just one moment, Peter, because it's easy

and I don't think inaccurate to make this a partisan issue, to talk about how this plays in terms of Republican and Democrat and to understand this through the dynamic of power. However, this is also a global phenomenon, Peter. This is not just the story of America. This is a story of Europe. This is a story of Sweden, as I laid out yesterday again on the Will Kane show.

In 2015, Sweden threw open its doors. Now, a little more background. These are just facts. Sweden is one of the most, has been, historically, one of the most homogenous, meaning monolithic, racially, countries in the world. You know what a Swede looks like. They all looked like that. By the way, same thing with Norway, same thing with Denmark, so forth. For what it's worth, I'm just giving you the facts.

I'm not passing judgment. They also always came in like numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 on the Happiness Index, whatever that is. It's a thing they actually do. I don't know how you measure happiness, but they did. and they always came in really high. They also had some of the highest social safety nets. Now, I've read a lot about why that is, and this is not a good or bad thing. It's just a sober analysis.

People have an easier time supporting people they can identify with. That's not good. That's not bad. That just is. Okay? So a bunch of Swedes want to cast a big social safety nef for another bunch of Swedes. This is what's going on. In 2015,

they open their doors and they invite in the world's refugees. And they do it through the same language of Jacob Frye, Minneapolis, Mayor, love, compassion. And the people flood in from Iraq, from the Middle East, from everywhere. In Germany, it's Turkey. It's everywhere. Every European country seems to have a different story connected to a different part of the globe. In France, it's Africa. And so much so that 20% of the Swedish population is now foreign-born or or born to foreign-born parents.

What happens? Crime goes up. Trust goes down. Unemployment goes up. Economy suffered. All these terrible things happen. The Swedes have totally reversed course. Totally.

They shut their doors, shut down asylum claims, and they're trying to deport, not the same way we are in Minneapolis, but they're offering people almost 40 grand to leave. If you leave, we will give you 40 grand. They want them gone. honestly, that's what they want. They want their society back. The point is, that's all a true story. I think I've described it 100% factually and accurately,

without a value judgment attached to any of it, just the way that it is. What I'm getting at, Peter, is this isn't just happening in America. So what's going on? It's not just a Republican Democrat thing. It's bigger. Yeah, no. And by the way, I think you described Sweden perfectly,

and I can say that because my mother was from Sweden, And I still have cousins that live in Sweden. So I track events there very closely, and I think you accurately explained what's going on. Look, what's happening is a war, a clash of civilizations. And this is a war on Western civilization. And it's not me saying that. If you look at what the Chinese theoreticians are saying in the CCP, they view the key to them thriving. It's not just achieving military superiority over the United States.

a sphere of influence, that's important to them. It's the destruction of the Judeo-Christian Western civilization and its emphasis on individual rights and freedoms. They say that. If you look at Mexico's leaders, particularly the Marina Party, this radical left movement, they reject Western culture. Now, that seems radical to say because they're Spanish, but what's happened under Amlo and under Shinebaum is this embrace of indigenous cultures. So they will say, you know, Mexico was great until the Spanish arrived. When the Spanish arrived, that's when we got war, that's when we got greed, that's when we got slavery. It's total bunk, by the way. The Aztecs were not nice people, but that is the embrace that they have given ideologically, and they view

this is a battle between their indigenous populations and the sort of Anglo-Saxon, which is, of course, not doesn't fully describe the United States, but as this Anglo-Saxon Western culture. Same thing with the Muslim Brotherhood. And so they speak openly about this. And that is what their goal is. And the problem that people are in. Who's the day, Peter? Because I, I'm, okay, but who is the they on that?

Because the migrant themselves, they're not motivated by what you just said. They may be, once they arrived, like, I want to hang on to my culture. I want to hang on to who I am. I want to hang on to my values, and I don't begrudge individuals that. You know, if Iraqis want to live a certain way, they don't have to live the same way as Americans. This isn't about someone dictating to another how they live their life. It is about how they live their life if they choose to do so in America. Correct.

Or let the Germans decide what it is to be German or the German way of life. And the same thing with the Swedes. But the point is the migrants are seeking, quite honestly, a better economic. life for themselves and probably a better security life for themselves. Yes. They're fleeing. The vast majority of them. Threat of death.

And they're running toward a better economic future. So who's the they that's actually trying to pit this battle of civilizations? These are some of the NGOs. These are political leaders in the United States, who I name in the book. And these are these foreign organizations which want to reject and prevent the migrants from assimilating and they're told that they're told by NGOs I mean I quote officials government officials in Massachusetts and other states who specifically tell migrants don't assimilate stick with your language stick with

your culture don't feel like you have to kow to American civilization and American society so you know the the the pressure in the Mexican community I hear there's from people all the time who a gentleman I know who's married to a Mexican American who she gets pressure when she quote-unquote Americanizes. There are people in the community that say, why are you doing that? Why are you becoming a gringo?

So there are these social pressures that are brought to bear that somehow it's bad to assimilate. That's particularly strong in places like Europe where there are language barriers. There are different cultural barriers that the United States is more fluid society, I would argue, than France is. The same thing occurs there.

So you have, you know, the migration of 50, or 100 years ago was you go to France, you go to the United States, you learn the language, you blend in, of course you celebrate the holidays, of course you eat the meals and you remember the homeland, but you become part of the country that you are in. They are being told by multiple very loud voices. You don't need to do that anymore. That's what I think is the weaponization of immigration. It's not just immigration itself. It's how it's become weaponized by these foreign and domestic actors. And the asymmetry of it all is so fascinating, Peter, because, of course, the conversation

you and I are having, well, someone might be dismissed as, I don't know, like xenophobic or culturally superior. And by the way, I don't run from that. I don't think all cultures are equal. Excuse me, Peter. I don't think all cultures are equal. And I don't think you have to pretend that they are. But that being said, that's not the point of this conversation.

The point of what I think is fascinating is the asymmetry of it all. We already talked about the asymmetry of birthright citizenship. We do it. Others don't. And the fact that we won't move the way the rest of the world does, well, that makes it xenophobic or racist. But if I move to Mexico, there will be a cultural expectation for me to behave and live as a Mexican. I know. The New York Times just wrote an article on this about people that moved to Mexico City and continue to live like.

Americans and eat like Americans, and they are ruining Mexico City. The New York Times just wrote that, right? And if you move to Iraq, you know, they're not going to be real happy with you trying to live the life of American in Baghdad. They're going to want you, if they allow you to live there, to live like a Baghdadi. You know, and so the asymmetry of this of like, no, no, no, you move here. We want you to be like us. But if we move there, we want you to make sure you don't assimilate to be an American. Yeah, you said earlier, Will, that there's this migration in the United States, people from California, going to Texas and going to Florida. That's happening on a global scale. And, you know, the revolutionary Vladimir Lenin said people vote with their feet. And that's happening on a global scale. So I have no problem in saying that Western civilization is superior because this is where everybody wants to live, right? People aren't in, you know, in mass trying to go to these other countries. There's some migration, but this is where people want to be because of the institutions and the values that have created peace, stability, unity, and the rule of law, which are incredibly rare on the planet.

So Western civilization is superior, and I don't say that out of arrogance. It's not something I did. I'm fortunate to have been here, but we need to embrace that and adopt that. And the problem is, as long as we allow the weaponization of immigration to continue, we're not going to be able to have a real conversation about immigration in general. In other words, I'm the product of immigration. My parents came here from Europe. I believe in immigration. But we can have a conversation about what should be the level of legal immigration so long as this weaponization is taking place. because as long as that's happening, it's going to distort the debate and it's going to have all of these horrible repercussions for American society. Well, Peter's written it very well, laid out the case, which you've heard here today. In his new book, The Invisible Coup, How American Elites and Foreign Powers use immigration as a weapon. We'll take a quick break. More of this best of Will Cain country coming up. Welcome back to this best of of edition of Willcane Country.

We are joined by Xi Van Fleet. She is a Chinese American author who survived Mao's cultural revolution. She was sent to the countryside in China, immigrated, learned English, immigrated to the United States in 1986. Xi hit the radar for a lot of people out there in 2021 when she spoke at the Loudoun County Virginia School Board meeting. And since then, she's written several books, including Mao's America, Survivor's Warning. and her newest book, Made in America, The Hidden History of how the United States enabled communist China and created our biggest threat.

Good to see you, Zee. Thank for being with us. Thank you so much for having me. When you see what's happening in Minnesota, Ji, what do you see as compared to what you've seen in the past in your life, maybe going back to China? Very simple. It is an all-out communist revolution.

It's an insurgency. There's nothing less about that. It is absolutely a revolution. And so you were saying a lot of, you know, the facts, you know, before I came in. But the left, they don't care about the fact. And I heard people, the political leaders on the left, calling the incident, of course, calling it murder, and then calling it assassination and calling it execution. Yeah, facts no longer matter to them.

is absolutely a communist revolution. And also all-out propaganda war against the American public. What do you do? I know you're right, because you heard me say right before we were joined, I hear the celebrities, I hear the sports stars, I hear everybody like the moderates that are texting me, and maybe the scariest of all, honestly, more so than the celebrities. When I hear people saying mommy Instagram is going bananas,

You know, Gee, I don't expect you to know who I'm talking about, but I'm just share this with the audience. So I follow a guy named Rich Roll. He has a very popular podcast. It's usually like body health and, you know, like how you get in shape. And he was talking about, I think his name is Alex Honnold. He just climbed the towers in, where was it? Was it in Taipei? He just climbed the towers.

He's the guy from Free Solo. He did it with no assistance. Anyway, the video was just talking about what an amazing feat. I just looked at the comments, G, 50% of the comments were, hey, man, I love you, but you're not talking about the right thing right now. You should be talking about the, as you described, the execution of an American citizen on the streets of Minneapolis. So your point is well taken. Like, my instinct is to go, here are the facts. Calm down, everybody.

Let's look at what's actually going on. But I don't know. What are you supposed to do? Do the facts not matter now? We're just in a full-on propaganda war. How do you deal with propaganda? I know. It is very challenging. And we are here today because of decades of indoctrination. And people don't know what's right, what's wrong, because they never learned real history.

You know, in X a few days ago, they were comparing Narene good as the tank man and the tank as ice. And said in the in China, the the P.O, the, the P.O. The P.O. The P. People's Liberation Army has more constraint. They did not run over the tank men. And that is how bad things are. They have no idea. Before that point, before that moment, thousands, thousands of students have been slaughtered

the night before. They have no idea. And this is possible that there's so many people believe the lies because so many people have been indoctrinated by our educational system. And the conservative core, the failure, It's not a failure, it's a success. It's the wild success by the communists and Marxists.

They absolutely taught generations of people of Americans who have no idea what evil is. And, you know, those people, they call them self fighting for the humanity. They have no idea what they're fighting for. But, you know, people like Alex Prattie, And I would say, and they're very good. I think they are true believers. And in another word, they are useful idiots. They absolutely believe what they're doing,

and they're absolutely put in practice what the lieutenant governor of Minnesota asking to do. Put your body over the line. Yeah, they did that. And there are so many people did the same thing in China, helping the communists get into power and what happened afterwards. most of them were sent to the gulags.

All right. Or executed. And what happened? The cultural revolution? Those young people were mobilized and asked to do what more want them to do. They did it. And what happened to them? They were sent to the countryside and to be reeducated.

And I was one of them by the time I graduated from high school. And they just don't know the history. And they especially have no idea what happened to those true believers. You're talking about Tankman, which is the famous scene from Tiananmen Square. Okay, you have two areas I want to follow up with you on. Okay, let's talk for a moment about this culmination of indoctrination, as you describe it. Marxism and communism and American education system. Okay, I want to acknowledge something with you.

When you use the word Marxism, I know this, and you probably know this as well. And I would like to think there are people watching and listening right now, not all of whom agree with me. okay and I know something about you if you're listening and you disagree with me on some things I know something when the word Marxism is brought up your brain shuts off you think and I'm not trying to diminish your opinion that that's a talking point that that's extreme hyperbole that that's all these things so what I'm getting at gee is there are a lot of people the minute you use the word communist or the minute you use the word Marxist they're done they don't think you're an honest arbiter in the conversation but you have this experience okay.

Okay, we're going to come back to the cultural revolution. But I want to hear your case for this moment being the culmination of a Marxist indoctrination that ends up with Alex Prattie being a useful idiot. How is Marxism to play, communism to play in what's happening in Minnesota? Okay. I know. I know exactly what you're talking about, but I feel like I have authority to tell them this is Marxism, this is come. because I live through it.

And what does Marxism and communism play into this? That is the years of indoctrination. That is the oppressors, impressed. And that is one of the basic way for the left. The people do not think. For them to judge what's right or what's wrong. And you put a group of people into the category of oppressed. And then they are, and then they are the way.

once that they want to save. And now the Democrats call those people the illegals or neighbors, right? The strangers and they also use Bible language. Okay, hold on. Hold on real quick. You're right. They're using the Bible and they're calling them our neighbors. So what you're saying is we have a population of people today who see the world through the lens of oppressor and oppressed. I think that's hard to argue with. That's fact. That's the way that we saw it in 2020. we still see it today. And you can see it on the interpersonal level, always looking for the empathetic side,

the downtrodden, the minority, whatever it may be. Oppressor and oppressed has to be the lens to which you view almost every human dynamic. And that is, I get it as well, inherently Marxist in its viewpoint. But help me understand the educational indoctrination that got us there.

Like, I understand the progressive movement going back to the 1920s, the role of teachers' colleges. Like, how did this, How did we arrive here? Like, what's the quick history of how we arrive at a place where at least half the population sees the world through this lens? Well, again, that's the education system. And then they demonize America.

And that is the one thing. All this movement with BMM and pro-Hamas and now anti-Eyes. It's not, it's just changing of the banner. And the bottom line is they want to destroy America. always happened in all of this movement, the protests, the burned American flag. So the bottom line is they believe that America is a racist, evil empire, colonizer, imperial, they believe all this. They absolutely want to destroy the country.

And this is just an excuse. ICE is only excuse. That is why I call it absolutely communism. What is the arch enemy of communism? It's capitalism and Christianity. And it's always that way. And the CCP, at its conception, it made three arch enemies for themselves. As I said, Christianity, capitalism, and the United States.

Why United States? Because it's embodied both Christianity and capitalism. They hate America so much. And now, through the indoctrination, all those people hate America. Ask any one of them. They hate America. That's their motivation.

And this is just about ice. The last time it's about Black Life and then Hamas. And then it can go on and go on. It can change. But the bottom line doesn't change. They hate America. And the goal is to destroy America. Because America is the ultimate oppressor in this worldview.

Because America is the top. of the food chain when it comes to oppressors. Okay, now let's go back to your history. You survive Mao's Cultural Revolution. You're here today. So, and I believe I've had a conversation with you in the past we've talked about this. Probably during the 2021 stuff.

What did you see then? Like what we see, we see Tiananmen Square. We see the flashpoints. We see the big moments. But you see and live through the incremental moments along the way that get you to that point. you see the swapping out of school teachers or the lesson plans in school. You saw every step of the way. And I'm curious if you could take us to a little bit of that,

what seemed like smaller stuff in the history books, but are actually big steps. Because what I'm really curious about, G, is how many of those steps have we already crossed down? Yeah, if you ask me, that is, my story is indoctrination. And because I was indoctrinated from day one in kindergarten. And it's just little by little, what is the indoctrination? And they took away all the information because we have no access to any other information except the textbooks, the radio, from the party.

And I truly absolutely believe the party cannot be wrong. And that's my duty to absolutely defend everything that the party told me to do. And so in other word, because of them, I could not think. I had never had an original thought before I came here. Never. And because I could not thought. I could not think because I had no information help me to think. And so I blindly follow.

And it's all through education reinforced by family. You would think family will help you to know what's right, what's wrong. No. My family reinforced what I was taught in school and the media and everything around. make sure that I am a willing and obedient communist follower. And I was, I was. So little by little, you absolutely don't even question. And that's what those people today that I see, they don't question.

And then you can put the fact in front of their face. They won't listen to it. They won't want to learn about it. They don't. And so that is why I believe this revolution is so threatening. It can't. It absolutely can overthrow America. What would you say what you described if I were sitting here with a Trump critic?

They would say that some of what you described actually applies to MAGA, meaning the, you know, unflinching fealty to Donald Trump or the movement and whatever he says is always right. the lack of a critical thought or original thought. What would you say to anyone, maybe right now in our comment section at YouTube or on Facebook, who is saying you just described MAGA? Okay, you mean blindly believe in MAGA? Yeah, well, and acknowledging that actually we have to acknowledge as well. That's the party in power as well right now, President Trump. Yeah.

What I can say is that I understand what's behind. mind marker. And I absolutely believe that America should be first. And we're in the second war of independence for America. And we are fighting for our independence. What independence? From what? From globalists. And we are absolutely defending our sovereignty. And a lot of people just absolutely don't see it. They absolutely don't see it because they... Okay. In the the younger generation was controlled by the or prepared indoctrined by school. And how about the older generation? That made me so sad that I've seen a lot of older people.

They absolutely become radical as well. By what? By watching CNN, by watching ABC and all this men are reading New York Times. And so the indoctrination is both ways. It's younger and older generation. It seems to me that people in the middle, like 40 to 60, more reasonable. And some of them, I think, had some decent education

before, I would say, before the 90s. 90s was when the things really start to speed up. And I was here, 86. I saw, actually saw the difference, the change. And I started to wonder, why those Americans think like the Red Guards? And so I would say now I know why. Back thing, I noticed it, but I did not. This is well planned.

It is all a plan, plan to take over America by taking over schools and by taking over media. Zee, in your latest book Made in America, you make the argument, though, that the Chinese Communist Party was enabled at a very least or chosen or propped up or helped elevated by the United States. This is something that most people don't know. And the information is there, but I think they're never taught. And I think that includes our political leaders. This whole story is extraordinary. Without America, there is no CCP. And so, but you have to read my book to find out.

It is absolutely made in America. It was created by the Soviet Union. But the stage for the Soviet Union, for the Soviet Union takeover was set by Americans. And so step by step by step, we enabled the CCP to take over China in 1949. And then we rescued CCP from total collapse in 1972. When Nixon went to China and opened its door and opened our door to the CCP.

And then Clinton allowed them to go to WD, enter WTO from this one step up to step. Now we realize, wow, how come that China really a poverty striking country in the backwater become the strongest, most powerful threat, much more threatening dangers than Soviet Union? Because so we're doing the Cold War, we know Soviet Union, was over there and we are here. Now, where is CCP? It's everywhere. Why, it can't be everywhere embedded itself inside every aspect of American

life is because they have an ally. They have a strong ally here. And who are they? They are the leftist. They are the communist, Marxist. They are the Democratic Party. Okay. I want to get two predictions from you.

Okay. Okay, first, you will have an interesting perspective on this. The question will be, gee, how strong is the CCP? There have been predictions for going on my career in this media, which spans about 15 plus years, that China is a paper tiger, that it will fall, that the CCP does not have a hold, the economy is not good, the population will resist. But that's been 15 years, okay? I have read other books about the long game played by China that nothing is measured in 15-year terms. Things are measured in 100-year terms. So as we speak, Donald Trump has basically pulled Venezuela away from China, not completely, but in large part.

President Trump looks to be isolating in an increasingly dangerous position, Iran, which is very important to China and their access to. oil. China may lose influence in Cuba. It doesn't look like the Cuba, the Cuban Chinese Communist Party is long for this timeline. Who knows? We'll see. But it has a boxing in effect on China. It's losing some of its tentacles. It's spent decades with these tentacles being put out there. And it certainly has had a couple of big tentacles cut off and a couple more threatened to be cut off. So what is your prediction? for the future? Will China fall? Is it a paper tiger without the access to Venezuelan oil and Iranian oil? They fall? Will China lash out like Japan did in World War II when we cut off oil to Japan? What will

happen with the way things are shaping up for China? Okay. I know it is a dangerous to make a prediction, but this much I can say, it is not all that hard to beat the CCP. And you can I see all this, the actions that Trump took in a short span of one year, so much isolated China and cut off its energy, cheap energy source, and cut off, it basically destroyed this axis of evil. China, communist China, is not that strong. It is as powerful as today, it's because America. It's because America, for one thing, people who never understood the communism, a spirit of Chinese communists. Those, you know, naivety, okay, they're naive. But increasingly, they have the CCP found their greatest ally, and that is the leftist, as I said already,

communists and a democratic party. That's our real danger. fighting China have to start here. If we can't beat, defeat communism here, China will always have support from those people. And I always say, my activism is not because, you know, I'm going to fight against CCP. Yes, I do.

I hate CCP. I'm the victim of CCP. But I won't save America. Only when we save America, can we talk about defeating CCP? So the focus is here. The threat is here. Our enemies are here. Okay. And that's my second prediction I'm asking for you. You said earlier that you believe we're sort of like in this moment of a second American revolution. So we'll see what this Minnesota flashpoint adds up to. So what is your prediction? It is chaotic right now. It does feel I don't think I'm being hyperbolic when I said like an insurgency. I don't know how this unfolds in the short term or the long term.

But calling something the Second American Revolution seems to suggest the stakes are really high. The consequence is real. And we may just be seeing early indications. So what's your prediction for what happens here in America? Yeah. Again, I'm not going to make a prediction. I can only say this is a turning point. It's absolutely a turning point.

If we back down from this insurrectionists, we basically surrender. This is a test, I believe, of the resolve of Trump administration and of a Patriots. And if you want to show that we are determined we have to, I mean, we cannot back down. and we cannot back that, but it is very challenging. That's why I worked so hard on X, telling people, telling people, this is absolutely a place that you really have to understand. If we don't fight back, if we just give in, say, okay, this is too much pressure, you know, that people are quoting us murderers or whatever,

And we gave in, and then there's no turning back. There's no turning back. This is absolutely a revolution. Made in America is Xi Van Fleet's brand new book. It's hidden history of how the United States enabled communist China and created our biggest threat. You should go check it out just out here in January. I appreciate her being on with us today for this important discussion. Thank you, Xi.

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