Will Cain Country - From The Vault: Kid Rock Speaks Out + Dr. Oz Sounds the Alarm | Special Episode w/ Kayce Smith

Episode Date: May 13, 2026

With Will out sick, The Crew of Two-A-Dayz Dan and Tinfoil Pat, along with Barstool’s Kayce Smith, host a special edition of the show. They share Will’s in-studio sit-down with Kid Rock, who defends his 20-year history of supporting U.S. troops against mainstream media "joyride" spins and friendship with ideological opposites like Bill Maher as well as Will’s interview with CMS Administrator Dr. Mehmet Oz regarding the "center of the hurricane" for healthcare fraud: California. Dr. Oz reveals how "side-hustle hospices" have become a business model for fraudsters and how AI is being used to reclaim billions in taxpayer money. Plus, The Crew and Kayce react to a viral, now banned "celebration" from the San Francisco Giants Outfield and debate the casting choices in Christopher Nolan’s upcoming 'The Odyssey.' Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country! ⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCainNews⁠) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This is not the sound of Will Kane. This is Two Days Dan here with tinfoil Pat and a special guest, Casey Smith from Barstool. Will is feeling under the weather today a little bit. So we are going to have a best of show, but we wanted to be here to say hi to the audience, say how to the viewers and listeners. And welcome in Casey. Thanks for joining us. Of course, guys. I know Will's down bad. I feel like he would never miss a day unless he's down bad.

So I'm hoping that we can lift his spirits by letting him sleep all day today. He's been fighting it off for a couple days now. So I feel like it was bound to catch up to him. So I'm not surprised. No, I don't think he's really sick. I mean, this is the kind of thing you would pull. Breaking news. Like people would do this thing at work back in the day, you know, when you work in an office and they go,

oh, uh-huh. And they pretend to have a cough. and then they're setting it up for Wednesday calling out Wednesday. That's what they do. You know, Patrick, the last time I was in studio, which I guess was, what, a week ago now at this point, right around, we were talking about Jeffrey Epstein's suicide note and Will mentioned that you are the conspiracy theory guy,

which I know has been a thing on the show. This solidifies it for me. If you think that this has been a plan all week and he's been leaning into all this sickness, then I have to agree with Will. You are officially the number one conspiracy theory. Patrick really is not just conspiracies. If something is believed, he believes the opposite is essentially what Patrick is.

Just across the board. Just across the board. If there's something, if there's a fact or statement, he's just an oppo. No, I used to believe the opposite. And now I believe the opposite of the opposite. So it's like in, what is that, Christopher Holamomwell movie? It must be exhausting. Inception.

It's exhausting. Yeah. Well, here, so I would like to believe that Will is very sick and hopefully sleeping all day. you happen to believe that he just made the whole thing up because he has something better to do today, I suppose. I need to know where Dan lands. Where is Dan on this? I think he's sick.

He was in pretty rough shape and I feel bad. We don't know if it's the hauntah. Maybe it is. He had mentioned that. Who knows? But we do miss having him on the show. Hopefully he's back very soon. Maybe he's jet skiing.

I don't know. Something like that. That's fun. Or just playing bumper pool like he did with Kid Rock recently on the show, which we're going to get to, now. Will interviewed Kid Rock in studio a few weeks ago for TV. Man, I would love to play pool with Kid Rock. Wouldn't that be fun? The stories. I just, any, any musician that's been in the game or actor, actress, whatever, anybody who's been an entertainer for this long has to have

unbelievable stories. Yeah, I mean, early 2000s, like we were talking about this, the rap game. I mean, he was part of the rap era, I guess you could say. Free social media. Yeah. Because, you know, in like my world in sports, you know, you see the athletes that talk about how happy they were that they didn't have social media in the, I mean, in the 90s, the 2000s, but even obviously before that, like Kid Rock was famous before social media and is still famous in social media. So he's one of those guys that bridges it. It's, I bet it's really crazy. I mean, in 99 Woodstock, when he came out with that fur coat on, that was just the most iconic moment. And we love Kid Rock here at Wilcane Country. but we're going to throw this interview now. Here's Kid Rock with Will Kane and Studio coming at you. Tell me a little bit about this tour. You're not just here in Dallas.

You're going to be all over. Yeah, we're doing 14 shows between Rock the Country and the Freedom 250 tour. And I mean, it was, I've always been pretty patriotic in my shows. And this was just an excuse to take it completely over the top. So I got a couple cannons made. I have a Liberty Bell, replica of the Liberty Bell we got made. As I hinted the other day, I may or not be getting dropped off by a couple of patchies for the show intro every night. There's a great choir soundtrack that starts with just these images of American history, everything from Betsy Ross sowing a flag to, you know, looks like Harriet Tubman walking through the woods at night.

You know, just real, it's just, it's, I don't think there's ever been a more patriotic rock and roll show in the history of rock and roll. You just said I've always been pretty patriotic in my shows. But is that, has it always been the case? Or was there a moment for you? Like when I started listening to you in the 90s, I'm not sure that was as big a part of your image as it is today. Was there something that happened or changed? I mean, it was still a little more, had a little more edge to it. I mean, you know, American Badness was on my second successful record, but that was not necessarily this big patriotic song.

I think it really started with the bombing of the USS Cole. and my mother really encouraged me from her brother being in Vietnam, her dad in World War II to, you know, I was very successful at that time. I really just hit it big to do something, you know, to help out because they were playing my music when that ship got towed out of the harbor. 17 sailors lost her life. So we ended up playing a show in Virginia and giving all that money to those families.

And that really started just a whole another level of not just patriotism, but really doing my part to try and help out, you know, and go wherever the day. the military called, wherever the U.S.O, where the Armed Forces Network called, any war-torn country around the world. And as we know, those were some long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. So it's really been some of the toughest work I've ever done, but hands down the most rewarding and something that I couldn't be more proud of. I didn't know that about they were playing your music when they towed that out.

They told them that they could play patriotic music. And one of the sailors kind of locked the door and put out America badass. Okay. And was worried that he was going to get a court-martial to get. some trouble from it's got some racy language in it and uh and and and then i met with all those you know with all those uh sailors and stuff and uh it just it just really snowballed from there it was like wow this is the right thing to do to do my little part you know having not served um to be able to go and be with these kids these men women the finest america has and entertain them spend some time

with them tell them thank you and the most mind-blowing thing is every time is they end up thanking you profusely with coins and flags and gifts and all this other stuff. And it's just, it's just incredible. And I say that to- Thank you for being there. Yes. And I say that to employ. I know a lot of celebrities have done it. I say it always, and I try to hammer it home if you haven't done it. I would encourage you to do it. All you have to do is reach out and make a call. They're happy to have you. They can send you anywhere. You can go to a base by your house here in America. You can fly to Afghanistan if you want. You know, but it's just means so much to be there for our troops. You were in the news this week.

You were in Washington, D.C., with our in all transparency mutual friend, the Secretary of War. And the press is saying, here is the United States military, giving kid rock joy rides on Apache helicopters, using the military for your own show. Yeah, what a spin. I mean, this is what, you know, mainstream media and the trolls and social media do. This is nothing new, not just for me, but for any celebrity, musician, athlete, actor, anything, who's been and done U.S.O. tours and things for our troops. I mean, through two decades, I've been, it's not my first time on helicopters.

You know, I've flown Blackhawks to Fobbs, and they've given me a little cowboy action in them. I've shot 50 cows hanging out of schnucks over Iraq and refueled fighter jets on K-5s, shot grenade launchers. You know, that's part of the thing. you know, you do stuff for the military and they want to showcase to you what they do. So whether they're showing you their technology or letting you shoot a gun or participate in something, you know, that's kind of what you do. And, you know, and we're talking about the first Apache thing that happened where they kind of stopped by my house and said what's up,

which I thought was awesome. I told Pete, I said, what can I do? I know the press is trying to spend this into a negative. And it's such a positive thing as he knows, as I know, from doing the stuff that I've done, him from serving of what this does for morale for our troops. I mean, you can't speak about morale and having, and when it happens for them, what a big deal it is. And I've seen it firsthand, like I said, for decades. So I said, how can we even make this more into a positive?

He said, well, whenever you want to come see some pilots, you know, let me know. I said, name the day, I'll be there. I'm my own dime. No problem. So that day came Monday. They said, come on out. And they had, you know, they weren't just going to come out and have me fly in an Apache. It worked out great because I was like, he said, we're also going to take a ride in an Apache,

but we're going to do some troop visits, you know, with these. people at the base. We're also going to go to the Pentagon, do some troop touches, some troop visits there. I filmed a, is it, vets for vets that we're announcing today where we're giving 250, Pete taped it with me at PSA, where we're giving 250 tickets each show, My Freedom 250 Tour and Rock the Country, two veterans, but we're also giving them up to an additional three tickets so they can take the people that serve right along with them. Their families from behind the scenes and sometimes don't get taken care of. There was a lot. We taped messages from Memorial Day, America, 250. It was all that.

But, of course, the press just focuses on, oh, they were joyriding at Apaches. Trust me, it was a joy ride. The argument that is being made, kid, is that you are getting perks from the United States military because of your relationship with Pete, whether or not it's going up in Apaches or having an intro to your show. And we've been showing the images on the screen while you've been talking. Your argument, to me in reverse is, I've been doing this for 20 years with the United States military. All these people talk, and it's just noise. It's just noise. I don't need to sit here and prove what I've done. Well, I've been there for our military and stood up, you know, spending two Christmases and a Thanksgiving there years ago, on and on, every war-torn country.

I could name countries for days. It's all on the Internet. It's all there. But, yeah, people don't have a leg to stand. Here's the reason I think I bring this up again. Your relationship, and I have some of these relationships myself, but your relationship with a guy like Bill Maher, right? You know, you're talking this way now, and I know you mean it, by the way.

But you're also capable of having a friendship with somebody that you disagree with. And in this, look, here we are. Another attempt on President Trump's life. and the country's talking crazy, and people are rhetorically edging this on more and more and more. And this idea of the relationship between you and Marr, or me and a number of friends, is either not highlighted or dying away. It was such a positive thing for our country. It's a fascinating dynamic, by the way. When we need more of this, you know what I mean?

Call it whatever it was, call it what it is. But, no, they bury those stories, especially with me and people like me. You know, it's just, oh, let's go after the kid, which I can care less. I'm from the school of sticks and stones. Bring it. All right. Well, the show tomorrow night is going to be absolutely incredible. It's going to have some of what you described.

I don't think I have a clip. Watch I wish I did. The bad news, I would say, people that are coming to the tour this year, you know, you can watch the clip. It's going to be everywhere after tomorrow night. We know how the Internet works. I would say if I get the people that can't come and the people in Europe and all this stuff, like, yeah, check it out, whatever you want.

But if you're coming, I would say experience it live. I've tried to. It's like taping your favorite sports game, and you hear the score before you get to watch it. I played my 14-year-old some of your music last night, and he's like, this is really good. I don't really like this. And I had a decline in invitation to go tomorrow night, but I am going to accept it somewhere. I guess it won't be in Dallas, but I am going to come to the show. Love to have you.

Thank you, man. Kid Rock. Good to see you, man. Thanks, Will. Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Kane Country. Visit BetMGM Casino and check out the newest exclusive. The Price is Right. and pick. BetMGM and Game Sense

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operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. And we're back. That was a fantastic interview with Kid Rock. I wish I was down there in the Dallas Studio for Kid Rock. That would have been a lot of fun. I want to hang out with him.

But Will seem to have a lot of fun talking to him. Now, we're going to get to some stories, just the three of us. Patrick, you have some things we want to talk about, right? Dan, the San Francisco Giants outfielders are in a little bit of hot water. And we're going to show you a clip of why. They had this little celebration the other day after a win over the Dodgers. Three in the ninth. And very nicely done, Mike.

Yeah, the, Major League Baseball did not like that, and that would be the first and last time that they do that celebration. So what do you think? Boys will be boys in sports. Things get weird. I played baseball for a very long time. Things get weird. But to do it out in the open on television and a whole other thing.

I feel like any time I see something go viral with especially baseball, but in general, athletes, but they have to be so bored. they just want to entertain themselves. Baseball play, they have 162 games, right? They're stuck together all the time. They're traveling together. They're in the clubhouse. They're in the dugout. I do understand why Major League Baseball probably wouldn't have liked that.

Like, it makes sense. But for me personally, I was just like, whatever. Like, these are just dudes being dudes. Perhaps maybe they should do this in the clubhouse, not for television cameras. But do I care? Absolutely not. Right. I don't know.

I mean, we used to do the good game, you know, the slap on the butt. That was a... Yeah, I found that interesting. Fun thing. And, uh, in sports. Just smacking guys' butts. It's an interesting move. Yeah.

I would just do it out. Imagine doing that in real life. Just, yeah, I would just do it in the regular life. I work. I feel like that became so normalized. I'm sure at some point, like before our time,

that was a huge no-no, or at least publicly. I mean, obviously the boys have always been boys. But then that's so normalized now. Like, I don't even think about that when I see it. This one I can understand.

you know, there might be a little bit of pearl clutching from other people. Again, I don't care, but I could see why there might be an issue. It's a little overtly sexual. I'm playing again here. I mean, for people listening, there's three Giants players that are bumping their pelvices together in a group. I guess is the best. With their arms around each other.

With their arms around each other. So they're holding each other in a group hug, and they are thrusting their pelvises towards each other and hitting each other. I think that's, is that an accurate way to describe it? I would say you could almost describe it as air-humping. Air-humping. Am I allowed to say that? You're, I think you can see that.

You are. Air-humping. You just can't do it in baseball. It was very, it was a very quick celebration. And, you know, the announcer is like, oh, you can tell he doesn't know what to say. It's a great job. Yeah, this is one of those clips that's going to go viral on X, viral on social media. There's going to be some moments.

And then as we see a lot of times with baseball, they're like, are they gay? Is this a gay celebration? And it's like, guys, they're just dudes being dudes. They may be. I have no clue. I have no idea. But that's immediately what it goes to. Like, why are baseball players acting gay?

Yeah. And it's, I mean, you do that with your boys like on the weekend when you're out of a house party or something and you're just messing around. And that sounds even worse, you know, after what you just said. But, you know, guys are weird and they like to do weird things. And yeah, baseball, there's a lot of games. celebrations and sports in general are weird and questionable. Like what sport do you think has the best celebration, like handshakes?

I mean, we have touchdown end zone dances are one thing. But just like what sports, what athletes have the best kind of like camaraderie look to them when they do something good and they celebrate with each other? I feel like hockey's pretty good. Hockey's good. I think I'm a little bit biased. I would say football, but that's probably just because that's. That's what I'm watching the most. And in the end zone, it's such a big deal.

But, I mean, really, and I'm not going to include this specific one because, like I said, you know, I don't care, but I can understand baseball players, when they really want to celebrate, they're going to do some weird things. They're going to do some weird stuff. Like, you know, I went to A&M. I know everybody that's listening to this understands that. I'll say it all the time. Will would obviously make fun of this.

A&M's baseball team went viral a few months ago for something similar in a dugout, but it was a one-on-one situation. And so then it became like, oh, they're. gay and then it was like, okay, the baseball players seemed to have the most enthusiasm about not caring about bros being bros. But I think football is probably my favorite. Yeah, there's no toxic masculinity in there. Well, baseball's weird because they rip off Jose Altuve's shirt once after a home run. That's true. So I'll never forget that. But conspiracy theory, Pat, they were looking if he had, they had, they looked like they, they want to know if he had buzzers on underneath, okay? They were trying to

prove that he wasn't cheating. with buzzers under his jersey. That's what I think, but that one. Yeah, I mean, I do like football players when they just do absolute just flips in the air when they score or something like that. I think it's insane and really fun to see that. But baseball is a whole other animal.

I don't know, getting caught doing this is not something I'd want to be doing. But they didn't get caught. They did it on purpose. It was calculated. True. True. You know, like.

Apparently it was like a virus. It was about to take over before a major. League Baseball stepped in. The Mets kind of did it, but kind of half-assed it. So they're like tempting the league and being like, what can we get away with? Maybe that's it. And this is where grown-ass men that are getting paid, you know, millions of dollars to play baseball, again, I don't care. I could understand that, you know, my three-year-old son, if he's playing Little League Baseball and he and his buddies are getting together creating that exact celebration, I would probably not want that. What, say Casey, say you were dating or married to one of these players and you're, you, you're, you,

Your husband or boyfriend was that one of those guys doing that. How would you feel as their partner? I don't think that I would care. I feel like there has to be a backstory. And maybe I'm just like desensitized. I work at Barstrel Sports. You see this stuff? I don't know if you saw.

I'm not even going to bring this up on this podcast because it's too unfamily friendly. I don't know if you saw what my moronic coworkers did yesterday live on air. I'll just take a quick X search. There was some fake breasts involved. Oh, fun. on a man. Anyways, I'm just, I'm so desensitized. Yes, kind of that.

You know, I'll shout out Brandon Walker, my, my podcast co-hosts. He was wearing, there's a lot of things going on. But again, I'm desensitized to it. I would need to know what the story was, though. I would need to know like, hey, where did this come from? Or did you guys just decide on the fly? Was it a dare? Did they lose a bet?

You know, who knows? Who knows? I don't know. I don't think I would care, though. But again, I'm, I cannot speak for the, the, normal people because I am not one of those. But I think consensus, keep it out of baseball, right? I mean, that's what MLB is saying.

I think that you have to. Yeah, you have to. I'm sure that there are plenty of people inside the Major League Baseball headquarters that also don't care. But it's one of those things where it's like, okay, like maybe we don't. We have to do something. They're facing that, the banana pressure, you know? Yeah.

It is like a Savannah bananas type deal, I feel like. They put a lot of... Do they hump each other? No, no, no. They were belly shirts, so I'm assuming, yes. Family friendly. So it's like you got a line. You have to walk.

But I do think there is a lot of pressure from the bananas to put on major league baseball players to be fun and exciting. I think there's that because people want to go to a baseball game and be, you know, they want home runs. They want the long ball. They want jumping around. The excitement for sure, getting talked about on social media also. I mean, again, that's maybe the bubble that I live in, but it's made. or league baseball does want to grow the game to a younger audience, which is social media, let them do it.

Maybe don't air hump each other. I don't know. That's just kind of where, that's maybe where they are drawing the line. But I guess we'll see what happens. All right, Patrick, what else we got? So Christopher Nolan is making his rounds, talking about his new movie, The Odyssey, that's out in a month or so. And he's getting a lot of pushback. So a recent thing that he's talked about is how orchestras did.

exist. So they're not going to have an orchestra score, orchestral score for this movie. Man. And so now people are like going back and looking at everything he said about this movie, everything that's come out about this movie. And so he's getting dragged about race-changing Helen of Troy. He has rapper Travis Scott, who's allegedly going to rap in this. Fascinating that Travis Scott's in this movie. Yeah. Robert Pattinson is going to say daddy, allegedly. the soldiers there's a big critique about the soldiers

equipment and it's like it's not Bronze Age it's Iron Age that's like way out there there's just so much oh oh and also allegedly potentially putting Hilliot Page in as our Achilles which was originally

played by Brad Pitt and that last Troy movie so people are everyone's just slamming it right now so I heard you had thought I have some thoughts. I'm curious. I'll say them. Casey, are you movie buff at all? Do you know? I love Christopher Nolan. So the Dark Night is one of my favorite movies of all time. That is, that is one of the best movies I've ever seen. It's also very rewatchable to me. Like my favorite

movie is Inglorious Bastards. You have to be in a certain mood to watch that movie, right? The Dark Night you can watch. And then Inception, and I know Patrick brought it up earlier, Inception, I think is brilliant, love Leon on a DiCaprio and it. And everything that Christopher Nolan has done. And I can't pretend to know his entire filmography and watch every single movie. Interstellar. Best movie ever. Intercellar is up there. Those movies are so good that for me, and I understand that, you know, maybe it's a little bit jarring to see, you know, different characters that are, you have in your brain, by the way. We don't have any history of what these people actually truly looked like. But to me, for Christopher Nolan, he gets any type of pass to be able to put a

movie out and then for it to be judged. Because I'm watching this trailer and Matt Damon looks like a badass. Matt Damon looks awesome. Like everything about it. So for me, Christopher Nolan does get that artistic subjective past. Can we just wait and see what the movie looks like before we're picking it apart? Because his history speaks that he's going to put together a really cool movie. Yeah, I think everyone's overreacting right off the top because the movie hasn't even come. No one's seen it. And we've just seen snippets in the trailer. I agree with you. I trust Christopher Nolan based on his past what he's done. I trust it. So I have to trust him going into this. I really hope it doesn't get bogged down by pressures of having to do certain things.

But they spent so much time making this movie and so much money. They spent, like, months on a boat just shooting the scene with Matt Damon just traveling on a boat. So it seems awesome, but I just have to trust them and going into it because, yeah, Interstellar's my favorite movie inception. All those are fantastic. I'm tired of everyone like freaking out over this kind of stuff. I mean like I don't know if you were a Harry Potter fan at all, but people were freaking out over Black Snape. And it's, I think this is actually a really good thing because the memes are going to be amazing. So regardless of like the content, it's like this stuff's going to live online forever.

And we're going to get some really good stuff out of it. And it's already ruined because if you think about it, people have already judged it. When it comes out and people watch it, people aren't going to like it as much as they could have if they hadn't talked about it like this beforehand. Or there's going to be the opposite because there is going to be the opposite of that spectrum where it's like people are going to go into it. And they're going to be like, I love this movie even more so because they feel like they have to, you know, like defend that side of it. Here's the thing. When you hear Christopher Nolan, you hear, and I'm not saying that he's exactly like Steven Spielberg, but when you hear these big time directors putting out movies, you want to see a major epic moment. movie, right? Oppenheimer was like that way. It was like, where it's like, you just want to see

everything that's going to be gigantic. And everything that I've seen this far from this movie looks like it's going to be an epic gigantic, like just everything you want to see from a major motion picture, which by the way, I do feel like people also complain about now that a lot of movies and films, you know, especially after COVID don't ever have that big picture feel. This is going to have that big picture feel. And I understand it might not be the adaptation that somebody might have, by the way, pictured in their own brain because that's what this is. When you look at Romeo and Juliet and you look at the thousand different ways they've shot Romeo and Juliet, it's what you have in your mind.

And Patrick, you brought up Harry Potter. So one of the things, and I know Dan and I have talked about books and TV shows. And like I read all the Harry Potter books back like when I was younger and they all came out. I have never seen the movies, almost to a point now where it's like ridiculous that I haven't. Well, you've never seen the movies. That's insane. It's crazy. I know. But in my head, it was like, I have this picture of what the Harry Potter world looks like. And I don't necessarily want to be swayed one way or the other. Now, do I care if I'm swayed? No. But that's kind of what it is. Gossip Girl, the book series. Same way. Never saw the television show. And so to me, it's like all of our, yeah. Oh, Dan, I got in so much trouble in high school or junior higher, whenever it was, because I would put them in my textbook. And I would pretend like I was read. reading the textbook. That's how much I love these books. But to me, that just speaks it. Like,

if I'm that way as a consumer, if I'm that way as a movie person sitting in my living room or reading a book on an airplane, every major director like Christopher Nolan is going to have a different vision too. So why not let that play out and see what happens? And if you don't like it, you don't like it. But don't say you don't like it because the acting. People will. People will. People are going to be such cry babies about it. You know it. You know, that's probably really smart of you, Casey, by the way, because I was always angry that Alan Rickman didn't have a goatee. My point, exactly. So Dan and I actually talked about this. Yeah, that's why. Well, I embrace my, my dark side, yes.

The housemaid that recently came out was Sidney Sweeney and Amanda Seifree and the whole thing. Dan and I talked about this last week. I'm a huge Frida McFadden fan, who is the author of the Housemade Trilogy and then a ton of other books. and it took me a long time to watch the movie, not because I didn't think it was going to be good. All of my friends who read the book said it was actually very good, and they did a good job. I don't know. I already know what happens,

and I have my own vision of it. And the first thing I said was, is they didn't cast Amanda Cypry the way that I saw her to be in my mind. That's fine. But that's exactly what's happening here, just on a much bigger scale. And it goes back to, do you trust Christopher Nolan to make a good movie or not?

If you don't like Christopher Nolan movies, I don't care. You don't have to like it. But if you do, let's trust the man and let's put out an epic major most in picture with Matt Damon by the way. It's going to be sick. It's going to be an epic. It's going to be awesome.

It's going to look cool and sound cool. You know that. He does those things well. So it's going to be something to see in theaters, by the way, better than at home, I'm sure. But I'm very much looking forward to checking out. We're going to switch gears here. Hold on really quick. When's the last time you guys have gone to the movie theaters?

Two weeks ago. Project Hail Mary. I haven't. I don't think I've been to the movie theater. bring it back. It's like jackass forever. No way. When did that come out? Like 2021? Yeah. It was after COVID, but I think that's the last one I've gone. I think going to the movie theater is one of top five favorite things to do. Oh, it's incredible. I just feel like it. It fell off my, my hobbies list. Yeah. Because we stopped. Do you go because you have a million kids? Like you probably.

I can't really afford it. Yeah. Imagine how much that would cost. It's like, 25 a person It's like it's cheaper to get a ticket to the NFL game He's dropping He's taking out alone to go see The Odyssey in a theater I have a three-year-old I'm like I can't take one kid to the movies right now

He won't even sit still you have Eight right Is it eight? Seven yeah seven out He's counting his head yesterday Seven out He doesn't even know You will have eight

Yeah yes It's crazy I don't know I just, I can't imagine. Save theater. Go back to theaters. You should go back to theaters. We should keep them alive.

I do want to go to Devil Wears Parada 2 solely to get the popcorn bucket of the parotipers. I will say that. That's what I want. That's a TV movie for me. That's when it comes out on Amazon. I can rent it. Oh, yeah. I don't even, like, I don't even care about the movie necessarily.

I just want the popcorn buckets. Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane country. All right, switching gears here. We're going to get to an interview that Will did with Dr. Oz back in February, talking about the health care fraud in California, which is very apropos to now because it's still happening across this country. And here's Will interviewing Dr. Oz. Dr. Membitt Oz is an administrator for Center for Medicaid and Medicaid Services. And he has been in California.

He has been on the streets, I believe, of Van Nuys, looking. into some fraud, which, by the way, Dr. Oz, shame on you. Shame on you for caring about fraud. As it turns out, according to California, Governor Newsom, this reveals you are a racist. Yeah, but I thought you had a little video of the governor accusing me because I keep hearing it all over the place, but what I'm not hearing from Governor Newsom is any really strategically wise plan of dealing with the massive fraud that's hurting the most vulnerable people in California. And just so everyone was on the same page here, we've been all over the country.

I've been to South Florida, where we've got a problem that's, I think, driven by a lot of the Cuban community that might be supported by the Cuban government. That's around durable medical equipment, wheelchairs, knee braces. We've got the obvious problem in Minnesota where we've been visiting in the Somalian community there, and others as well, have been defying the government, generating 100 times more bills for, for example, autism than they had expected. Why? Because they've declared every child in the state to have the condition, so they're funding it, even though it's really, we believe, mostly fraudulent. But L.A. is sort of the epicenter. And L.A. is a cautionary tale, because we've known for a while that there was a seven-fold increase in hospice. Again, hospice is something you go into when you're in your last six months of life, theoretically, you're dying of a condition like cancer.

It's a very delicate time. You want to give people the care they need, but you take them off Medicare. You take away their other insurance to give them the hospice management. And when you pull people into hospice, dishonestly, when you trick them, they lose their Medicare coverage. So when they actually get illnesses because they're not really dying of a problem, they shouldn't have been in hospice.

You can't take care of them. And we've had folks, I've met families of parents. Governor Newsom's actions are costing this taxpayers a lot of money, but more importantly, they're costing Americans' lives. The question, and I'm asking this to everybody, maybe you have an answer to will, is why? Like, why is he tolerating this? Who benefits? I went and visited a Russian community where this, by the way, the leader of the mafia, who is responsible for a lot of the hospice fraud fled the country when the DOJ came after, went back to Russia. But we've got a Russian community involved, but other groups as well, has become endemic because of the, because of the hospital.

of the hospice fraud being tolerated. Now it's spread to home health care. When there was an effort to try to slow this down, those fraudsters went over Nevada. I went to Nevada. Vegas has got the same problem. It's a copycat, just a small JV version of California. It spread to New Mexico to Arizona.

It spread to Texas. So if we don't stomp this out, these bad guys realize they can make money off Medicaid and Medicare. Foreign countries are involved, and foreign nationals are engaged in this process because they don't care about our country. We're not going to tolerate that the president is livid about this. He's appropriately going after all these states

where we seem to tolerate some of these fraudulent activities. And some of it is just directly against the national interest. They can tolerate the tolerance for illegal immigrants getting full health benefits, including vision and dental, things you don't get on Medicare even. We don't give that to Medicaid patients and other parts of the country. But in California, if you hear illegally, you get it all.

And we've actually gone after California and collected back $1.6 billion. Not all of it back yet. We're going to get it all, but we've got probably half that money already back in the federal coffers. So Californians admitting that they were doing this wrong. Well, I want to try to answer your question.

And I have several follow-ups from what you just said. But I want to explain to the audience, and I'm sure you know, and I want to let you address what Governor Gavin Newsom is saying. The reason I jokingly said that you're looking into fraud, and that makes you a racist, is that the claim is you are looking into a tie in your investigation allegations between the Russian Armenian mafia, Armenian community in certain areas of Los Angeles, Medicare, Medicaid, fraud, and you are of Turkish descent.

So what Newsom is tying into there is historical ties and problems between Turkey and Armenia, Turkish citizens and Armenian citizens, and he is insinuating that has bled over into America, into your investigation into fraud. You know, he can make those accusations that I hope the audience probably feels the same way that I do, which is, go ahead, make whatever allegations you desire. Just do your job.

You know, go in there, deal with the fraud, protect the vulnerable. You know, I'm sitting here in Washington in the Humphrey's building. Hubert Humphrey is a beautiful quote at the entrance way. It says it's a moral obligation of God, government, including the California leadership, to take care of those at the dawn of their life, children, 53% of kids are covered by Medicaid and CHAP programs I administer. You have to take care of people at the twilight of their life, you know, older folks, especially if they're having

disabilities. You've got to take care of people who are living in the shadows. Folks with substance use disorder, you know, lots of conditions that we're going to cost money for communities, but we're a great nation. We're going to take care of our most vulnerable. When you tolerate widespread, systemic, organized fraud, you're causing a problem. And these allegations are not me just making up the numbers. I actually am looking at the numbers. It's my job to pay the bills. We think there's probably $3.5 billion of fraud just in Los Angeles.

Forget about California, just in L.A. around hospice and home health care. We believe that there are people being hurt. I've gotten whistleblower notices, but what they're really saying when I met with the community leaders in L.A. is why is no one listening to us? We're crying for help. In fairness, people in other states, like home health care providers,

saying they're getting squeezed on because there's so much fraud in L.A. that there's not enough money to go around. 9% will, 9% of all the money we spend in America on home health care is spent in Los Angeles. That's five times more than you would expect. And that means there's less money for home health care in other states. And you've got taxpayers in New Mexico, which is, again, a blue state. Taxpayers in New Mexico, but a state that's not that affluent. compared to California, are paying taxes, federal taxes that go to support fraud in Los Angeles.

It's just morally wrong. It's reprehensible. And the fact that the governor won't deal with the problem, and instead accuses me, which is just wasting everyone's time. Fix the problem. Help your people. Is the answer to your question, why is this tolerated? Is it the same thing that we suspect in Minnesota, that there is political advantage for allowing this to go on. So obviously in Minnesota there should be, and I hope there continues to be, investigation into the political payoff, which could simply come in the form of voter turnout, voter allegiances. It could be more complex for the political leadership of Minnesota

to allow this fraud to go on within the Somali communities of Minneapolis and St. Paul. You brought up Cubans, and you're looking at something in Florida. you're looking at this Russian-Armenian thing in in LA. Is the answer somehow then tied to the political payoff of whoever that may be, the leadership in California, including Gavin Newsom? I think this is weaponized political patronage. Let's just take what happened in Minnesota is a good example. Actually, let me just take a step back.

I don't know if you know this will, but by federal law, if we sign you up for Medicaid, we also have to offer you the option to sign up to vote. So it's a voter enrollment process. The thing about this, if I went to an NRA convention and was legally obliged to sign up everybody to vote, I'm signing up Republicans. You're signing up people who are taking health benefits in this country and I'm now signing them up to vote.

There's a good chance to people giving you those health benefits, especially if they're not checking very carefully if you deserve them, are going to vote for you. We saw that happen we believe in Minnesota, we're seeing it in California, where there's other factors to play as well. We even have a union. involvement in some of these decisions. That makes me concerned that this is just a big rotating

circle where everyone is getting a little bit of their opportunity to sit at the trough and eat, but they all benefit the broader ecosystem that's been built there. The amount of fraud will is hard to explain. It's so rampant right now that I had a whistleblower doctor who is running five hospices, which by the way, in itself you should never be able to do. Why do I need five, why can't I run one hospice and make it big? Why do I have to have five? hospices. The reason is because you keep the numbers in each hospice small, so they're below the threshold for the government to check. They don't have to report to us what their outcomes are. Remember, many of these hospices, they're all supposed to have, you know, people who are at the end of their

life, they have 100% survival rates, 100%. I mean, it's better survival rate than you and I have for six months. So there's obviously something going on, but this guy, this whistleblowers building a massive beautiful house with all the money has ill gotten gains. And the plumber comes in and says, hey, listen, I hear you made the money to build this house with the hospice. I've got a side hustle. I own a hospice too. The plumber. And then the carpenter overhears the conversation and says, you know what, me too. I got a side hustle hospice. Everybody, the owner of the house and the contractors all own hospices. This is what's going on. We've no longer is there a fear that someone's checking on you. And that's why I'm concerned that we've normalized

fraud and as it gets weaponized, because it does have political patronages as an opportunity, we give up, also we open our flank for foreign governments to play a role. We know there are foreign nationals involved, our foreign governments involved. I've heard those accusations about Cuba. I've heard them about Russia. I haven't not heard it about Somalia, but I do believe the money is going back to Somalia and may have the ability to do other untoward things there because of that. Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Kane Country.

Welcome back to Will Kane Country. Okay, I have two follow-ups quickly, Dr. Oz. Let's talk about the role of immigrant or minority communities in some of this fraud. Is the suggestion then the reason this proliferates in, say, a given community, it's because a model is created. I've certainly heard this when it comes to the Somali thing, right? I've interviewed men who are immigrants from Somalia. I interviewed a man from Maine.

He talks about the cultural push. into this corruption, into living a life off of the welfare system, not just as a taker, but but as a business enterprise as well. Is it like a model is created and that model proliferates state to state or community to community within these, I don't know if they're all immigrant, I don't know if, you know, whatever, these racially homogenous or ethnically distinct communities, a model is created and it's proliferated? No, Will, I think you did a beautiful job articulating what we're thinking.

I can't prove it, but a lot of Medicaid money is spent for home and community services. Let me explain what that means. Normally, you think we're paying for hernia operations, right? That's not where a lot of the money is going. It's going to pay for things your family used to do for you. You carry the groceries up to stairs. Negotiate your rent or your contract for your rental property. taking you into a home after you've had a procedure done.

These are things your family would do for you, right? Now, if it's only a family working with a family and you get to decide who is helping you and you pick your neighbor's son and they pick your son, pretty much everybody in the community is being employed to work for the generation above them. We have states in America

where the number one job is home health care aid. It's become bigger than retail sales. It's the number one way you get a paycheck. check. So you're not creating an entire infrastructure. Now, within a homogenous community, it's a little easier to gain the system. You know, we're going to pay all the parents to tell us this honestly that their kids have autism. Or we're all going to have the kids drive us to our clinic appointments, charge a couple hundred dollars for drive, and then collect that money and split it with the next generation. This is what's happening. And it's a business model. It's not a flaw that it's prone

to fraud. It's actually a feature. It's a great way to making money. There were people in Philadelphia, opening home health care facilities and child care facilities in Minnesota, because it was a great business model. They don't have to have anybody actually walking through the doors. You're just charging money to the government. If you've got a system for doing that and you get paid, you can buy a new house, a bigger car. I hear this, by the way, all over the country.

And we've only talked about a few states now. I won't regale you, but my job is to see all the numbers. So we can sort of tell when all of a sudden it's a lot more expensive to deal with, you know, Medicaid population in one state versus another. and that's happening often because there's fraud involved, not because you have more people needing services. Do you think that your job is the one where, so I would have to guess, Dr. Oz,

and I don't think this is just an uneducated guess. Medicare and Medicaid are the biggest homes for fraud in governmental spending. I'm just thinking if there's anything else I need to throw in there as a caveat. I think obviously the defense industrial complex needs to be analyzed. And it's not exclusive to these minority communities that would be my presumption. It's huge. I read an article in the Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago about prescription medications renewed online and that these big companies can continue to shell out.

You opt in, you subscribe, and it's overprescribed. And the implication is there are cabinets across America full of drugs that will never be taken, that will never be consumed because in this case, I'm expanding the conversation beyond these minority communities and this type of fraud. We're talking about big companies now because they just keep pumping out the pills on the subscription and charging and charging and charging and charging. And there's no in consumer for this amount of demand that's being pumped out. The large part of what I'm getting at is there's fraud everywhere.

Is there not? In Medicare and Medicaid, it's got to be gigantic. We believe it's well over $100 billion. dollars and to your point because we're the largest operating business so to speak we dole out if you add the affordable care act the obamacare monies that we dole out it's probably two trillion dollars that passes through these doors so there's a lot of opportunities for bad players to target us we're like a big you know hippopotamus wandering through the the jungle and people are taking shots at us and they can get a beneficiary number right if you're one of the 68 million people on medicare or the

72 million people on Medicaid, someone can get your number and they can begin to use that to weaponize it against us. You can get a provider's number, doctor's ID number. Even if they're unaware, they'll still start getting big checks that can that have diverted to a different bank account and get shipped overseas. And for this reason, we've got a lot of departments in the government working together. Scott Besson and I working together trying to deal with some of the bank fraud issues. And by the way, when these guys break the law, they don't just break the law in health care. They steal the money from health care because it's an easy target. But they're wired, they do wire fraud, they're sending money back overseas where they can do untoward things.

They get involved in other businesses. They just do money. And they are financing their operations by the easiest target of all, which is Medicare. Now, what's the solution? Because I am more optimistic about this than any other time that I think I've been alive. Why? First, in surgery, the first thing you do will when someone calls you in the help is you open the wound and you shine the light in. You've got to understand what the problem is.

We have a better understanding of the magnitude of this fraud, and part because of the president and Secretary Kennedy, because they're just, they are crusading on this topic. They're so upset about the fact that we're stealing from our most vulnerable. We're hurting the people need to help the most. So we've identified the magnitude of the problem. We're getting a better grasp on it. Now we've got the difficult task of getting folks.

A lot of states don't want to hear from us because it's a business model. If I'm paying the salaries for the most employed people in New York state, Right? Well, then why would I want to cut that fraud out? You know, the federal government's paying money to my citizens, and that money goes into the economy and it helps us in other way. So, you know, I'm not going to crack down on that. If I was the governor of California, and I'm watching billions of dollars of federal dollars come into my coffers, some of it maybe go on to the wrong people, but it's okay because they'll spend money in our communities. They buy hamburgers and, you know, beds and the like, so they'll generate commerce. So it's not a flaw. It's a feature of the system that is not working well.

But the big benefit we have well is what the banking industry noticed as well. Bank managers don't detect fraud well because they're not fraudsters, but AI does. AI is able to think like a fraudster and identify aberancies better than anyone else could do by hand. We're using these same tools now in government. We have not sent out billions of dollars of money that were charged to us because we're identifying these. And then we're going to the root cause. We want to take out folks who are using political patronage as they motivate them. tool who are not trying to enforce the law. That's why I'm going after Governor Newsom if he's

not going to take this seriously. And we've sent letters threatening to defer future revenue based on the track record in Minnesota and in California. We want them to fix the problem. And if they don't fix the problem, we're going to defer Medicaid payments. Now, you can use the ability for CMS to regulate to go after people, but you can also use the tool we have that we make the payments. we don't pay the bills, you're going to start listening to us. Again, we're not asking you do anything you shouldn't want to do for yourself. You should want to fix this problem if you're leading one of our states. All right. We wish you the best of luck. It's a bear. And the ultimate victim in all of this is the taxpayer. Just nonsense money going out the door everywhere. 100 billion

dollars. That's huge. Dr. Memmadaugh, we wish you the best luck. Thank you so much for joining us here today. God bless you, Will. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We are still joined by Casey Smith from Barstool. Thanks for hanging out with us today. Tinfoil, Pat, two days, Dan. Any passing words before we leave? I need to ask Patrick, because I have been following along

with the background saga. I know Will has been very entertained. You're in a hospital waiting room, correct? Yeah, I'm coming to check on him right now. You're in the waiting room? He's in the ER? I don't know if he's here, but we'll see. See, the, like, I also listen to the podcast.

It depends on what I'm, doing, right? So if I'm listening to the audio version and I hear Will bring up Patrick's background, I feel like I have to go check out where he is. So for the people that are listening in the audio world, he is in a hospital waiting room praying that Will is okay. But in your mind, he's actually not there. He's jet skiing or whatever. I don't know if I'm praying he's okay. I think it would become Patrick Tinfoil Pat country, right? Tinfoil Pat country. Yeah, that's the next logical step. Yeah. For sure. We're not going to replace him with. I mean, We'll be huge in the conspiracy niches around YouTube, I think.

I don't know if you know this, but we're already doing a lot of UFO content. That is true. Do you believe UFO is a real, Casey? I'm starting to. It's a whole thing. We could be sitting here for a long time. I thought for a long time it was a little bit overblown. I just feel like where there's smoke, there's fire at this point.

But I do agree with Will's point that if you're, we got to have something with more substance at this point. Because it's like, every time something comes out, it's like this is what you. highly touted as great information. I believe there's life in other areas of this universe, yes, but I'm going to need some real proof soon. I agree. Yeah. Age of disclosure.

Well, Casey, thanks for joining us. We really appreciate the last second. Joining, hopefully Will feels better and is back tomorrow. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. And we'll be back soon. Listen ad free with the Fox News. Podcast Plus subscription on Apple Podcasts.

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