Will Cain Country - Gayle King STUNNED By Lindsay Clancy Holdout Juror

Episode Date: September 11, 2026

As Nike exits the S&P 500 following decades of bad decisions, a reckoning arrives for woke corporate America. OutKick’s Dan Dakich joins Will Cain to discuss whether Nike’s historic $200 billion market wipeout was triggered by woke marketing or executive arrogance, while reflecting on the solemn lessons 25 years after September 11th. Plus, they break down the mainstream media’s unraveling narrative on jury politics, Oprah’s town hall with Lindsay Clancy supporters, and why college football is officially playing by corporate NFL rules. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@WillCainNews) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

25 years, 25 years since September 11th, 2001. 25 years later, today seems a lot like that day. It is Wilcane Country. Streaming live with the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page, but always here for you by subscribing at Spotify and Apple. Tenfoil path is out. indefinite.

You can probably add two and two and get to four. But perhaps in the next 24 to 48 hours, that two and two had up to eight. We'll wait on an announcement until we get official word, but 10-4 pat will not be with us for the near future. But we are joined today by Dan Dockett. Don't happen. Dan Dockett over at Outkick. What is up, Dan?

You still have very full. hair. Every time I see you, I'm mesmerized by them. And I saw a video of you like doing your hair. I don't know. It was on Twitter somewhere. My jealousy is unending. My eye, whatever other word. But thanks for having me. It's a big day, man. 9-11. America is showing how great America is today all across America. And I love it. It's great. Where were you? 25 years ago, Dan, on September 11th, 2004. I was in my office at Bowling Green, Ohio. My wife. My wife called me and said, you got to turn on the Today Show. This is on, you're not going to believe you.

And she told me and turned it on. And my assistant Keith Knopf and I, who was from New York, literally, I couldn't believe it. I wanted to go get my kids out of school. I wanted to, but we sat and just couldn't believe what we saw. Like many, many people, you know, could not believe. And we were supposed to have a workout. My players came in. I told him, go home and watch this.

This is history. canceled workouts. I was supposed to go recruit a kid. I remember, I called him. I said, look, I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying around with my family and my kids. Probably like most people that were my age at that time with young kids. You wanted to be close.

You didn't want to, you didn't know. What the hell knew? Where was the next one coming? What was happening? You didn't know. So it was a terrible, terrible day. I remember that well. Well, you're absolutely right, man.

We just didn't know. I'll never forget. Like everybody, everybody watching, everybody listening. Like Dan, those moments in that day are burned in our memories. And most of it is very, very forgettable details of an average day in our lives. But I had gone to the gym that morning in Sherman, Texas. I was back for a while living in my hometown. I was driving back from the gym to the house where I grew up.

And I was listening to Sports Talk Radio. And I remember Sports Talk Radio talking about a small plane, presumably a prop plane or a small jet passenger. playing hit the world trade center and that was pretty much it you get home and just like you turn on the today show and you're just unbelievable unbelievable what you saw on tv and then it played out in real time in front of our eyes on television yeah and every single moment of that i remember where i was standing i was standing in my mom's kitchen watching it unfold on one of those little little TVs a lot of people keep in their kitchen you know it's like what is that like a yeah 12 inch tv watching it play out

antenna. And to the point of having everybody close, my girlfriend, now my wife, was living in Austin, Texas, and I called her, and I was like, I don't know what you should do, but I think you need to leave work. Leave work and go home. Don't be near the capital. Don't be near anything. Everything felt like a target to your point of we don't know what's going to happen next. The dominoes fell. Pentagon. You know, then the missing plane that ended up in, in, in, shanksville and you didn't know at that point you're like man it could be a mall it could be a state capital it could be anything there was this moment of i don't know where we are i just know we're at war you know one of the things that when i turned the tv after my my ex-wife then my wife i literally we sat i said keith you got to get in here my assistant and then honest to god that was when the second plane hit so our first exposure was when the second plane hit and i I swear to you, we both, like, is this a movie? Are we, you know, War of the Worlds, Orson Wells, way back in the day,

kind of fake the world, our country out of, you know, World War III, I guess. And, like, is this a movie? What are we seeing here? And it hits, and then all of a sudden, it starts to crumble. And you can't believe it's true. Honestly, God, I don't know how old I was, 35, 36 years old. I you can't believe it's true

like a building is just and it fell you guys have seen everybody seen it and it just went boom like straight down and the swear to God it was like is this

the Poseidon event not the Poseidon the towering inferno whatever hell that movie was with OJ Sin what was this and it didn't I'll never forget

it just didn't seem real it just couldn't be real how could this be real how could this be happening how could it be happening like that where this hits and then you know it's got to be a movie when's the joke what what you know that

it was the worst day in American history in my opinion yeah I had I mean I was in middle school I was in middle school at the time and I had a different perspective because we didn't really know what was going on as kids so we're seeing the teachers scrambling around running around kind of freaking out we didn't even have a TV in the classroom we listened on radio what was going on I didn't know what the really I didn't know what the World Trade Center was I only knew it was the Twin Towers

so it didn't really mean anything to me at first. And then when I got home and talked to my parents and saw the TV, it kind of hit real hard. But seeing kids get pulled out of school, I'm in Connecticut, parents are working in New York City from kids that I know. Kids are getting pulled out of school. It was terrifying. I did an event with Andy Card last week.

It's actually going to air today on the Will Cain Show. You know, Andy is really memorialized. in one of the most, I don't know, iconic moments in American history. It's a still photo, it's a video. Andy Card was then Chief of Staff to President George W. Bush. George W. Bush is in that classroom in Sarasota, Florida, reading to second graders. And Andy Card walks in and whispers into George W. Bush's ear. And he says, I know this because I've interviewed him three times now in the past two or three weeks.

Mr. President, a second plane has hit a second tower. America is under attack. And we've talked, I mean, about that and how much went into that. And he said, I stepped back. I did not want the president asking me questions. I didn't want, because he knew there was boom mics and their press was all in that room. And he chose his words very carefully. He's like two facts and an editorial.

And then I've talked to, Doc Hitch, I have interviewed the pilot of Air Force One that day. I have interviewed so many people, and what is so fascinating, man, is how little they knew. And they were basically experiencing it to some level the same way we were by watching the Today Show. Now, Intel started coming in, but this is what's wild. Then they're flooded. They're flooded with Intel, and they don't know what's real and what's not. So I'll give you an example. They're on Air Force One, and they're coming up with plans on the fly, right?

Where are we going to go? We're going to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. The president wants to go to D.C. You've got to talk the president out of going to D.C. This and that. And in the course of all of this, they get through secure radio channels, Angel is the next target. Now, Angel was the code word for Air Force One. So because that word was used, they considered it credible.

So they thought there was, I don't know, a passenger airliner, a surface. to air missile, whatever next for Air Force One. And not until did they get, you know, Air Force fighter jets flanking them, did they feel safe. As it turned out, it was a miscommunication. There was a call. There was a bunch of calls coming in. So somebody calls in and goes, Air Force One is next. And the guy that takes it relays, they're saying Angel is next.

They use the word Angel. And so it gained credibility up through the communication. fold. But Card also told me, you know, a lot of people don't talk about the emotional effect of President Bush had to give the order to shoot down passenger planes, American commercial passenger planes that were not responding. And so he had to make that affirmative decision. And then when Flight 93 went down, they spent a minute or two. I don't know how many minutes. Is that us? did we just take down American commercial airliner?

They didn't know. Let's take a quick break, but we'll continue with Dan Dockich from Don't App Me with Dan Dockich over at Outkick on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with Dan Dockich, the host of Don't At Me

with Dan Dockich over at Outkick. That's what I said earlier. If they don't know, we don't know. You know, I mean, how do we know? How do you know that a plane lands in a field crashes in a field? Well, what's the difference between that, in Boling Green, Ohio where I was, or Texas where you were, or the middle school, you know, who knows?

But, you know, the fascinating thing, and I just looked this up earlier today. Ari Fleischer usually does a great recap of the day with the president. And it's actually the best thing that I've ever seen on Twitter, any social media. He hadn't started. Maybe he's not going to do it this year. But usually he does on this day. And I was disappointed when I looked this morning. You know, people say, well, you know, elections don't matter.

People say, well, you know, the character doesn't matter. People say, well, you know, president says to figure out, whoa, wait a second here. You know, that guy's in that, and he's a human being. And if he makes the wrong decision here, no matter who told him to do what and no matter who he trusted, think about two seconds, ten minutes, whatever. You don't know whether your order shot down a bunch of innocent people on an airline. And you can justify it. Right. We all can just, hey, I got advisors. This is the job we signed up for, blah, blah, blah, blah. But you got to live with that. And even thinking for a second that you did that, a second. Now, I remember getting into a car crash and it was my fault. But I ran up there thinking, shit, did I kill some, you know, and it's terrifying. And that's one, one millionth of that. So, you know, elections matter, character matters, getting people with common sense matters, getting people willing to listen matters.

And, you know, I couldn't even imagine the moments when you thought you shot down your people, whether it was, again, second, 10 minutes, whatever. You want to see something wild, guys? I just got this sent to me. It's on Twitter. Jack Posobic actually just sent to me who was a guest earlier this week. I'm going to show you something wild. I've never seen this, okay? Tell me when I said to begin this show that here we are again, 25 years later, I want to show you, you probably. We can't read this, Dan. Either of you, Dan's. That's USA Today. Yeah, okay, that's USA Today. Do you see the big headline?

Psychotic. But is Andrea Yates legally insane? That is the headline. That question, that story, Andrea Yates, who murdered her children. Is Andrea Yates legally insane? Houston mom, who drowned five kids, will find it tough to prove.

That, I just want you to look at it. Again, you know the date of that newspaper? Cover? Yeah, September 11th, 2001. Unbelievable. How about that? That's crazy. How about, how wild is that?

And here we are today. Which makes me nervous about what- That's insane, man. That's insane. It makes me nervous what's going to happen today. I mean, that was obviously printed before the towers went down before the planes hit. Right. I mean, you know, I don't want to go full circle on that.

I mean, I walked into the city today feeling a little, you know. Yeah. The world is insane. You know, people act. I've said this. People act like, and I'm glad you put that up, I was having a conversation with my wife about this. People act like this is all new. This isn't new.

And your point, right there, this isn't new. This thing with this classy lady or, you know, racism or whatever. This isn't new. People being victim. Whatever you want to say, it isn't new. This has been dealt with. forever and ever and ever. I think people are willing, and we know more people's opinions.

Like, well, I'll say this, back in 2001, no social media, no, no that. I don't even know if Facebook was around. I certainly didn't have it. But where else you get in your news? You know, now everybody's got an opinion. That's where you got, you know, I got to USA Today every morning. I got USA today in that period of time, the Toledo Blade and the Bowling Green Paper every day. I delivered newspapers because newspapers,

I remember waiting to see who the Bears drafted, and they ended up drafting Walter Payton back in whatever it was, 73, 74 as a kid going, oh, man, who they drafted, you know? So that's where you got your news. Now it's the same stuff. Everybody just has more access to it. But this stuff is no different.

And I'm glad you put that up there. My wife and I were just having that conversation. Well, check this out. So the jurors continued to give interviews. and a juror on the Lindsay Clancy trial was on CBS with Gail King. Okay. I don't think, Gail, what I love about this interview, sometimes interviews are a little too predictable. I guess, to Yale's credit, she's not reading from a script of questions.

She's following her own curiosity. But check out the Box Canyon her curiosity led her into right here. I'm curious about the jurors themselves. because we know it was nine women, three men. What was the age range? What was the racial makeup? I haven't heard any of that. What was it?

70-ish to 22. And one person of color, and then everybody else was white. A lot of the jurors had children. One person of color was a person of color, a woman or a man? A man. A man. Is a holdout juror a person, a black man? Yes.

A black man is a holdout juror? Yes. Well, I have to sit with that for just a second. It's weird. Wild, dude. Whoa. The real time with that for just a second. Wheel spinning is insane.

Yeah, as she starts to add it up. She's like, okay. Wait. What? So there was only one person of color. Oh, okay. Okay. Was it a man?

Yeah, right. It was a man. Oh, shit. Well, I know that the holdout was a man. I also know that one of the men is out there talking already. He's not a person of color. That means I got a 50-50 shot here. Holy shit.

Was the holdout color, a black man? And by the way, the juror feels the whole damn thing coming the whole time. It's like, she doesn't want to tell it, right? She doesn't want that. Because, in everybody's mind, it's a white dude. It's the bad guy's a white man. You know? I got to sit with that for a moment.

Hey, how scared was that lady to say the word black? Like, person of color and a white guy. Honestly, God, cut the bullshit. I mean, you know what? If we're going to make it racial, all right? If you're going to do Gayle King here, I'd be proud if I had common sense, I would be that, all right, if I'm going to make it racial. make this racial. If I'm going to make this sexual, I'm proud it was a dude. I'm a dude. I'm proud it was a dude that held out against the lunacy. If I'm going to make it racial, I'm proud as a black person that it is a black man. Now, all you crazy ass liberal women out there, you whine moms that have been bitching whining and moaning about the patriarchy in here, suck it because you won't not come at a black man holding out. And now the liberals will make this into woe. What a strong statement.

The whole thing will flip. Let's take a quick break, but we'll continue with Dan Dockich from Don't At Me with Dan Dockich over at Outkick on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with Dan Dockich, the host of Don't At Me with Dan Dockich over at Outkick. No, no, no, I disagree. They're going to make this dude a villain. How? How can they make him a villain?

You think, boys, how nice. They can't make a black man a villain. You think he's 11 white women? they're the same way these 11 white women did. Picture the room. It didn't have any credibility. Race over women? That's 11 white women hectoring a black dude.

Okay? That's going to be this entire thing as well. You are, you boys are confused. But they're the saviors of the race. They're the ones that try to be the saviors. Let me ask you. Yeah, but the savior is condescending to the saved. That's the whole thing.

This is a savior complex. I get it. Here. So these white women were racist because they attacked his black man for his beliefs when that coming out. Exactly. I got to sit with this a minute. Yeah. They're racist.

They're racist. They're racist. Yes, they're racist. Exactly, Dan. They're virtue signaling savior complex individuals. Those people, those people ultimately look down upon the people they feel need saving. Do you understand what I'm saying? It's like, how dare you disbehave?

It's like the way you treat a pet. How dare you disbehave? Because this black man had agency used logic and reason. Now you think they're going to flip to logic and reason because of the black man? No, they will not. You're insane. Here, I want to give you this. I'll bet you both have.

Here's Oprah. Oprah does a freaking town hall on this, full of women who are. I didn't see. Now, I'm going to say something. I didn't see the whole thing. so I don't know if Oprah actually had a well-rounded. Like we have a lot of women listeners right now. We have a lot.

And they agree with us. I see the comments. They agree with us. Some of them disagree. I've seen that as well. So I don't know if Oprah had a well-rounded group of people in the town hall. But here's one lady that said, I don't know if you've thought about this when it comes to sympathy for Lindsay Clancy.

Watch. The doubter? Yes. No, the black lady. No, the lady who said we should have sympathy for black. women killing their kids. Got it. And the other thing that I would just be remiss to not say is,

I hope this never happens again. We know statistically it really will. It will. I want us to have the same passion for people who don't look like Lindsay, who don't have her same access. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, dear.

Yeah. I love these people are so earnest. And look at clapping. don't have her same access and education, her melanin, her privilege. There are women of color sitting around this country in prisons for this same thing that we've never heard of. And I just want to remind us to have the pink shirts and the energy for them as well. Dang, dude. Incredible, man.

What? Incredible. I haven't seen that. I'll tell you, I'll make a deal with that lady. I'll make a deal. I will have that same level of sympathy, regardless of melan, to three black children murdered. Me too. Strangled by their mother.

Amen. Me too. But why even have this conversation within this story? Why talk about this or bring that up within this? I just don't get it. It's an oppression madlibs game, dude. Like, this is always, it's, okay, it's like an extension of Casey Anthony. Haven't she ever heard that?

Nobody cares. Everybody cares when it's a pretty white girl. It turns into an HLN, you know, or a Netflix docuseries. Natalie Hallway. But black women are killed all the time and nobody cares, right? So that's what this is. Everybody rallied to Lindsay's side because she's white. But if a black woman, make sure you have that same energy.

She kills your kids. By the way, I believe I saw a black woman. like in the last couple of months did it. Didn't we do it on TV? Yes, it was in New York. A black woman or a woman of color killed her kid and got off for insanity. It's also just factually incorrect what this lady is saying. What's this doubter clip?

So did Oprah have a well-rounded audience? She had someone that did not agree. Exactly. Oh, damn, I want to see this. Yeah, play it. And you disagree. I disagree. I feel like I'm not with the majority right now.

I do believe she's a murderer. After all you've heard today, I'm an advocate for mental health. It's just unfortunate, like, and she's so quick to say it, she's like, you've never had a baby, you don't understand what it's like to go through all the hormonal shifts, but I just feel as though these were not instant deaths. They weren't gunshots to the head. She was there strangling her kids three times. You're telling me, like, even after the first time, she couldn't snap out of it.

watching the life leave your kids eyes, you know? So I know, I hear everybody's opinions and God bless mothers, but at the same, I just don't understand how we can empathize with somebody that they weren't strangers. They were her kids. Good God. Whoa. The looks around the room. How did those the looks in the room, right? Dude, there are times when I'm like, I don't even know. This, This kind of thing pushes me into the extremist, the most extreme opinion I could ever have, right? This is, I mean, I'll just say this. I don't want those people voting. I don't want my future in those people's hands.

I'm not saying all women. I'm saying I don't want anything of consequence in those people's hands. Nothing. Can I? And if you disagree with me, and you want to. want to call me a name, you want, I don't care. Okay. If you want to put your life in your future and your children's future and the future of your country into the hands of people who not along to the murder of three children, we're not on the same page. And I don't want to share the

same, I don't want to share the same country. We're on the same book. Go ahead, Dan. The lady makes a really brave statement, a statement about mothers, a sincere statement. And Oprah's response is, despite what you've heard here today, wait, what? Because the ass women are defending. Yes, despite what I heard here today. That was Oprah's reaction. It wasn't, huh, you know, the typical Oprah bullshit.

Because of what I heard. It was, yes, that's right. Because of what I heard, you morons, despite what you heard today. Like that black woman, because she's black, We're all supposed to listen to her dumb shit about have the same energy for a black woman that kills her three kids. We're supposed to take that serious, according to Oprah? It's insanity to me. Oprah's reaction to me, I think it's the worst.

By the way, is Oprah retired? What is Oprah doing? Like, how does she come out of retirement to? I didn't either. Just to rally for Lindsay Clancy? She probably does like special engagements. Incredible. Yeah, she does specials.

What does it air? On the Oprah channel? Um, own probably her Oprah Winfrey network. Yeah. Oh, okay. Let's take a quick break, but we'll continue with Dan Dockich from Don't At Me with Dan Docich over at Outkick on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with Dan Docch, the host of Don't At Me with Dan Dockich, over at Outkick. Um, all right, let's, let's shift gears. Dan, what do you, what do you make of this?

So we got in this debate the other day. I'm going to let you give your take because I may disagree with it. But Nike exit to S&M. P 100 after 18 years and a $200 billion market cap wipeout. I'm going to show you what's happened to Nike stock. Over how many years has this happened? Since 1990. No, no, no. Well, yes, since 1990.

But the crash has happened since about 2020, 2021. Where it was in 2021. What happened then? What happened? Nike stock in 2021 was it about 170, it looks like, $170.70. a share. It's collapsed to $36, a little over $36 a share in five years. And it's absolutely cratered. Okay, so let's start with this, Dan. What's your take? Well, my take is digital's down 12%. China in the last quarter was down 17%. They disregarded retailers. And it started a long time ago, actually. My father,

We had sporting goods stores. And my father even going back to the mid-2000s, 2005, 10 said, man, Nike's getting too arrogant. They're making it too difficult for retailers to get their products. Same thing happened to jackets, if you remember starter jackets. And that's what happened here. They pissed off China. China. They're down 17 percent, as I said, in fourth quarter.

This isn't about, you know, but also, let me say this. And doing some research on this, I was on a show last night. they pissed off women across the world. Not just the country. They pissed off women across the world. And not for the reasons you think, because they haven't been innovative. Lulu Lemon, Athleta, have really risen.

And there's others. I just don't know all their names, have really risen because women like their product. This isn't about Dylan Mulvaney or Colin Kaepernick or all that kind of stuff. This is way deeper than that. There used to be Nike or Adidas, who you want. And then Nike won.

They'll have that. anymore. The competition has given women better options, women buy the products, and they pissed off China. This whole thing is involving China. They've lost Cal. They've lost everything going in China, and they've lost in the United States because they went website only, retail stores. There's nothing new there. And others did. And frankly, they, you combine that with all the other mistakes, whatever you want to think, and that's why they're where they're at, regardless of what they try to do and spin. Actually, we don't disagree.

I thought you, I didn't know. You've done your research. So this is the debate I got into with Patrick. You know, oh, and look, the correlation is strong. When Nike started doing, you know, more racial stuff and more trans stuff and all that and embracing all that, it begins to crater. But here's what I know. While that stuff is bad for your brand, if you have got a behemoth of a brand, you actually

can recover. people, Bud Light's going to recover. It has to a large degree, but I think Modelo might still be number one. Bud Light went from one. Look it up right now, Dan. What is Bud Light? Is it back to number two? But that kind of brand equity that Bud Light had built up over decades isn't burned up overnight.

It can hurt, and it did hurt Bud Light. But it isn't going to do this, what we've seen happen with Nike right here. This is a cratering. But Nike had a similar brand equity. to Bud Light. And I knew and totally this isn't what's number two?

Oh, Mickelope Ultra probably right? Yeah, Ultra is Modela 1. Modella Special is one. Modella's been one, yeah. So. Well, I'll give you, I'll say this to your point. This is real quick, Dan. Real quick, this is bigger than woke stuff, is the point.

And I didn't know what you had said, and your analysis tells us why it's bigger. Intuitively, without doing the research, I knew what you were saying. I don't think I could have articulated it. Meaning, look, I have a wife, to your point, they don't buy Nike? Maybe Nike's shoes. Nike's shoes retains some market.

But Allo, Champion, Lulu, all those, that's the athleisure that women wear. And, by the way, a lot of kids. And I've started to notice Nike is the discount rack. Nike is where you go to TJ Max What's it, Belk? T.J. Max, Belks or something like that.

I'm not saying Nike. Nike is not uncool, but Nike is average. Watch the U.S. Open right now. That's what it is. They don't know it wears Nike. It's all other companies now. You used to see Nike all the time

at these tennis tournaments and barely anyone wears Nike. Right. People, there's a number of things with Caitlin Clark and people say, well, they went too slow. with Caitlin Clark. I've said this forever for 24 years. And I had a lot of kids packed. And then I ran Coach Knights Camp. And the girls were interesting when, and this goes back to the 80s, actually,

when Michael Jordan's shoes came out, girls couldn't wait to come in in the morning and show me their new Michael Jordans, their new, the retro ones, the blind ones. See, Caitlin Clark, they messed up the whole thing with her. They didn't want to piss people off. But a woman is not going to sell shoes across the board. Like I've said this and if this makes me a massagin, it's tough shit. There's no way I'm wearing a girl's shoe. I'm just not. So people say, well, you know, they don't have stars even though they have Kaelin Clark. That's a part of it, you know, but Michael Jordan and there's nobody in the NBA. NBA players, I've said this all the time. College, excuse me, NBA, college basketball players, you play in your underwear, NFL players play with a bucket on their

helmet. So there isn't a likable one. LeBron Jane is because of politics. He did didn't do the whole Republicans, don't sell shoes, and thing. He's not the guy. So that's just a part of it. That's not the biggest issue. The issues that I brought up about retailer, supply chain, that kind of thing, is the reason. And they're pissing off China. China's basically said, go F yourself. We have other places.

And then the women thing, Athleta, it's kind of funny. My wife works in an athletic. And I went there to see her one day, and they were having a special. And I didn't know. And I get there, she said, yeah, we're running a special. Honestly, God, and I'm not exaggerating here. The store was upstairs. And it went from out the door.

They had a police there. Out the door, down the stairs, around the corner, and out into the parking lot of people waiting to get this athletic gear. And that used to be Nike. You know, you woke up. You got the New Georgia. When did the New Georgia? You know.

But Nike hasn't innovated. They have not innovated. They have not. If you look at, my wife actually did this. She used to be a Nike girl, runs, you know, triathlete, all this shit. She brought out a Nike thing that she had, somebody giving her for Christmas and the athletic gear that she wears now. It's not even close. Quality is not even, not even.

And women appreciate that. So it's all encompassing. But to say, it's easy to say, well, they went to Kaepernick. They went to Dylan Mulvaney. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, it does correlate. That's a part of it. But that's not the global issue here.

Well, here's what I'd say. Here's how I see it. I mean, you're seeing it from the women's side. I see it from the men's side. A lot of people in Texas, you know, game day, but golf, the style is often kind of what you're wearing right now, Dan, that, you know, collared golf shirt with performance material. Do you know what I mean? Guys wear that everywhere.

And they often wear it with college logos, right? Whatever the college of their choice's logo is. But Nike is not the brand of choice. You're not going to be made fun of for wearing Nike, but it's not the choice. It is Johnny O's. it's Peter Millar. It's things like that. And I will tell you, to your point,

if you go into the store and you feel them, you will feel the quality difference. If you live in a hot place like Texas, like those Johnny O's and those Peter Millars, they're good material that's super breathable when it's hot. And they look good on you. And then the Nike one, is kind of thick and heavy,

you know, and just doesn't fit as well, doesn't look as good on you. But I will tell you, to your point is, is there a buy opportunity? Well, they've got to get better, for one. And then maybe there can be a brand rehabilitation. I've seen in my life, it's funny you brought up starter. I love starter when I was kid.

Starter jackets were everything, right? The one brand that I have seen come back from the Marshall's T.J. Max discount, you know, position in the market is champion. And it blew my mind. When I was growing up, champion, who was champion? Champion was, and now my kids' age, Champion is like preferred. I'm like, you want the champion sweatshirt? Really?

Like, they'll ask for that brand. So I've seen it happen. So we'll see if it happens tonight. Who made Champion cool back in the day? Who wore a champion? Was it like, it was athletes, right? Like, was there a specific person? I don't even remember champion being cool.

It was decidedly average. Yeah. It was incredibly, if you got a gray champion sweatshirt. Yeah, Notre Dame. It was soft. It was warm. and Notre Dame, they were a massive champion. Oh.

Deal. Yeah, I'm with you on Nike. I'm on the guy's side of it, too. This is actually the shirt that I'm wearing is a long-sleevee shirt from untuck it. And it's funny. I gave away Nike golf shirts at my golf outing, and a buddy of mine had it on the other day. I go, man, that's a great-looking shirt.

And then I felt it. It was thick as Will Kane's hair, man. It was like, shit. I ain't wearing that. Are you kidding me? And this is a long-sleeved shirt and all. This is so comfortable. And Nike doesn't have it. They just don't have what you want. Yeah. Right. All right. Let's do this. let's do this really quickly before we go today, Dan. So LSU leaves former pro athletes off the final roster one night before SEC takes Lane Kiffin and Tigers to court. Do you, it's never going to happen. The SEC, he's not kicking the LSU out. It's not happening.

But I'll be damned if the SEC doesn't sound serious. I mean, they sound serious. You're not putting these pros on your roster. You know, the easiest thing to do is say what you and I just said, like, that ain't doing it, right? Let's put it that way. All of a sudden, Lane Kiffin is not putting these pros on the roster. Now, what I've been told, and you probably have been the same,

the SEC got really serious about this when Kiffin mocked them at halftime. and after the game saying, imagine if we played our pros. Now, I have people that understand and are kind of somewhat inside this, and they're like, yeah, that really pissed Sanky off. That really pissed the SEC people off that he's going to sit there and flaunt it right in front of us. I'm with you, Will. Not a chance in hell. And I love what John Kennedy, the senator, had to say about like a hobo on a sandwich, that kind of thing.

But I don't believe for a second they would, but I believe they were serious enough to make LSU pay attention and not do what they were going to do. And, hey, whatever, it worked. Who do you got? Dan, I'm going to Austin today. I'm headed to Austin. I'm headed to the big game of the weekend. Texas, Ohio State. It's going to be quite a scene, quite a scene. It's Texas at home. Last I heard it was Texas minus one and a half, which isn't a huge compliment to Texas, to be honest, because you usually get three

for home. So you get a field goal just for being a home. But I'll tell you, and I'm always accused of it, but I actually think I'm pretty damn objective. I feel good. Ohio State is really good. So is Texas. So is Texas. So is Texas. So I feel good. Longhorns at home. Give me the Longhorns by a million. I've got money on Archmanning to win the Heisman. I figure some some Manning's got to win the Heisman. But to win the Heisman, you got to play. Well, I'm taking Texas. I'm going to take Texas. I think Texas is going to win the football game. I think they've surrounded Archmanning with playmakers.

Again, I always use Urban Meyer because he's my guru when it comes to anything football. He's like, you know what? I watched that tape 100 times last year. Texas didn't have anybody could get open. They couldn't get open. So Archmany didn't play great, but now they've got guys that can get open. I'm going to take Texas. I think Texas is going to probably play either Notre Dame or Indiana National Championship.

game and I like the longhones. Did you fall in love with Josh Hoover last weekend, bleeding from his face all over his mouth, throwing touchdowns, looking like he just fought an MMA match? That's got to be a docket's thing. You had to fall in love with Josh Hoover. All right. People lose their mind because a football player gets played.

What's he supposed to do? Lay on the ground and cry? What are you talking about it? Come on, give him credit. It wasn't a little bit of blood. It was a lot of blood. You know what I gave him credit for? And I don't know if you saw it.

The first touchdown pass, Indiana's become famous for the Mendoza to Sterrett, Mendoza to Becker back older. And Nick Marsh on the first touchdown makes a one-handed, I don't know what they're. So yeah, I fell in love with Hoover, but the blood thing, you're a football, basketball player would have been out for six months. Basketball player would have been like, oh, man, I can't play. It was awesome. Dripping down his white pants, all down his chin.

It was literally dripping while he was playing. It wasn't like blood dried or blood just smeared. It was blood dripping off of his face. It was incredible. It was. It was. Check him out. Don't at me with Dan Dogg-Chilver-out.

I love having him on. Hey, you thought I was just a pretty face. You thought I was going to say, wow, go broke with that Nike shit. No, no, no. There's a lot more than a great head and a freaking wonderful smile, big boy. There's a lot of smarts up there. There's a big brain up here.

It was a great take. He's not. He didn't like it. I said, I may disagree with you. Yeah, you're right. I didn't think he would go walk the road. You're not. Doc Hage is a meathead.

He's just a meathead balled old. Nah. Well, I stand corrected as to all of us. You're only going to get that kind of genius analysis that don't at me with Dan Dockich. Dan Dockx, good to see you, man. Thank you. Thanks, guys. Hey, have a great thing, guys.

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