Will Cain Country - Grammys 2026 MELTDOWN: Bad Bunny & Trevor Noah Go After Trump and ICE (ft. Jack Carr)

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

Former Navy SEAL and 'New York Times' Bestselling Author Jack Carr joins Will to discuss how the age of “scrolling” has sabotaged an entire generation of creatives, contrasting the habits of today’s youth with how he spent his own. Plus, Jack gives his analysis of the raid on deposed Venezuelan Dictator Nicolás Maduro’s compound and shares his thoughts on the morality of some of fiction’s most popular action heroes. Later, Will and The Crew take a look at the Left-wing insanity from last night’s Grammy Awards and weigh in on the increasingly popular notion that “no one is illegal on stolen land.” Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠⁠) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jack Carr, worldwide bestseller of the Terminalist Cry Havoc and his brand new book coming out later this spring, the fourth option on the parallels between 1968 and 2026 and the secret weapons used to capture Nicholas Maduro. Plus, the Grammys have weighed in on stolen land and illegality in America. And country at the Will Cain Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page, the Fox News Facebook page, Spotify, Apple. Happy New Week. Welcome to Monday. What a way to kick off the week to talk to a New York Times bestselling author, the creator of the hit show on Amazon, multiple times. Entertainment King at this point, who has a brand new book out coming this May, but available now for pre-order. It's entitled The Fourth Option, and there he is right there.

It is former Navy SEAL. Jack Carr. What's up, Jack? How's it going? How's Monday treating you? It's Monday. It's treating me. Oh, come on.

Come on. Come on. Fire this up. Let's go. Do you wake up every day, Jack? Just Jocko Willink style, four-thirty. 30 a.m. Raring to go. Do you hit every Monday like it's a brand new week? No, I do not. The military did not instill that in me for some reason. Maybe it's a little bit of that rebellion,

kind of like I've never made a bed since boot camp or actually OCS because I did both, boot camp and then OCS. But it's been a while. So my wife does take care of that. I'm very thankful to her for that. But I think there's a little bit of rebellion. So I do not wake up and get after it. I roll out of bed and I'm shot out of a cannon. And it's juggling the three kids, dogs to schools back like all of that stuff that everybody else has to deal with is just complete chaos right off the bat and i'm not trusting a lot of these these people who want i pop up in my socials telling me how to live my life how i have to get to bed exactly at 10 p.m and i have to be lights out and asleep by them to get those whatever hours and then i have to be up and i have to

meditate right away and then i have to go in the sauna and the cold plunge and then i have to like eat exactly the right part of like weird tea in order to ease like that's the whole day and what your kids do? Who's getting your kids to school at this point? I don't know. I'm not buying any of that stuff. It's out and it's to work right away. First, it's family, take care of all that. And then it's right into the writing and the creating. And I'm always up against the deadline, it seems, with all the projects these days to include this one right here. So this is the stage that the fourth option is at right now. And so I get a couple more chances to read it with my red pen right there, about halfway through it. Get those at its back. They'll send me a couple more. But it never stops.

And I'm so thankful for that. And like you said, I wake up every morning, though, so thankful that I was born in the United States of America. So thankful that I'm an American because we have all these options and opportunities available to us. And it's all up to us if we want to take advantage of them or not. So that's what I'm thankful for most each and every day. Here, here, here. Wonderful. Wait.

All right. Several things you said that I want to follow up on. So I grew up a swimmer, Jack, and swam played water polo through college. And I do find this a common story when it comes to former swimmers, that once it's over and once there's not a coach on the deck yelling at you to jump into that cold water at 6 a.m., that not a lot of people choose to continue to do that as their lifestyle. Some do. Some continue to. I know guys who are out there still swimming masters or still swimming open water, and I'll do one every year or every other year, but I'm not dedicated. I do not get in the water on a regular basis. And, you know, I do think that the military lifestyle as popularized by guys like Jocko becomes a lifestyle of discipline, of waking up at 430, of doing all the things, of making your bed as you point out, all the things that you were made to do.

But that's not the story of every guy you're saying. You don't, you have a little bit of that same swimmer story. you're not waking up and making your bed now that there's not a commanding officer over you yelling make your bed no i don't like anyone yelling at me and uh i'll forge my own path thank you very much but uh you know a lot of those people you're talking about that me you swam with in college no big deal by the way uh that you've uh you don't have they don't have shows like you know you're getting up you have uh you have family things to do and you have to prep the amount of prep that you have to do in order to answer questions off the cuff be up on the news of the day every single day i'm not sure people realize how much work goes into that. And it's a skill to then go on air like you do and make it seem so natural. Never let them see a sweat. And you're so, so good at it.

But you know what? If you woke up and swam every morning and made your bed and then ate your tea and then meditated and then did the cold plunge and then did the sauna and then did your workout and then you journaled. And then guess what? You didn't prep for the day to do your actual job in this, whatever is your building,

what you're building, but that can translate over to what anyone else is building. So I don't know, I'm kind of of the mind of find that thing that you love and dive into it. Prep yourself, of course, as necessary. But then when it's time to step out and build whatever it is that you want to build in this life, because we get one ride on this planet, then go do that. Because you could be in great shape, I think, and you could be well rested and have all the right tea in your system and all that stuff. And yeah, wonderful, nothing else.

You haven't built anything other than, you know, being in great shape. and, you know, be feeling rested or whatever it might be. So for me, it's about getting out there and doing the actual work. Well, is it just a time thing for you and a priority? Or, you know, I think you spoke about this on your, on your podcast as well recently, or at least as a guest on someone else's podcast, where you talked about sort of, I think you call it the gray man theory, where you're really into sort of tactical remembrances, meaning collecting physical items and in reading history books and using physical maps and not everything being cloud-based and digitally served to you. And I wonder if there's any connection there, like this current

movement of human optimization, which I'm guilty of getting suckered into on some things as well. You know, like in other words, the cold plunge, sauna, you know, whoop band, nutrition, human optimization world. Are you rejecting that also? out of a little bit of like that feels entirely too digital. It feels entirely to 2026. Yes, but let me say, those things are all probably good for you. So people don't listen to my advice. This is just my path.

Everyone takes a different one. Those things are all great for you. Wonderful, do them. It's just not my way. Although I did work out this morning. I take long breaks as I'm writing. Just it's necessary. I get up and go.

But I've started to get back into it out of necessity, but just a quick little something like nothing that I ever did in this Steel team, just a quick half hour movement because I'm going to be sitting down for a long time today working. But yeah, no whoop band on. I mean, this is from the 60s right here, an old Tudor watch. It's in pages of the book also because I like to surround myself with those artifacts, the totems that my characters are using.

But, yeah, no woodbans here. And if I could go back to 19, I guess if I could wake up the January 1st, 1980 and just go all the way through to January 1st, 1990, I would just keep that cycle going. I would love to just go back. Oh, that was actually something I wanted to ask you. You're a Navy SEAL. I believe your time with the teams, Jack, if I'm, I'm roughing it here. I'm going to go mid-90s through teens. What was your time in the teams? 1996 to 2016. So it was a good run. Good time to be in. Got a little experience before 9-11 and then boom

right into it after that. So the majority of my time and my deployments were post-9-11. So it was a good time to be in. But also, I'm very glad to be on the outside now looking back at it. because we didn't have to deal with a lot of the things that the team guys or the military in general has to deal with today. Our intelligence circles have to deal with today, meaning drones. We see all that coming out of Ukraine. A lot of the cyber side of the house, let's say you're doing something in intelligence circles and you're going on an alias going into a country. Well, guess what? There's facial recognition technology that is now going to pin you as someone else and have you dragged into that room for an interrogation.

So there's a lot of things that you have to deal with today that we didn't really have to consider. if you're thinking about 2001 to 2011 time frame, which is when I was most active in the SEAL team. So, but I would like to go back to the 80s for sure and not have this constant input from all sides, all day, every single day, where you could sit down with a book and read. You had to wait for your movie to come out on a Friday or Saturday night. You had to wait for your show to come out at 8, 9, 10 at night. So you had to wait for things. They weren't all instantly available to you at any given time. And I was thinking about this just yesterday, actually, like how many people, how many artists, how many directors, actors, how many people are spending their lives scrolling that wouldn't have spent their life scrolling if that didn't exist? What would they have created?

What would they have built? Yes. And where they spent their time, especially in those formative years, let's say from age, let's say, let's say eight to 18 or 10 to 20, that the 10-year block where you're so impressionable as a young person. And I was so fortunate that my mom was a librarian. I read all the greats growing up. So I read Tom Clancy and Nelson DeMille and A.J. Quinell and J. C. Pauleck and Mark Olden and Louis L'A. David Morel, all of these guys who essentially became my professors in the art of storytelling. But had social media been a thing, then, I might have spent that youth scrolling.

That's a possibility. But instead, I got to build up this foundation that I can building on today. And also reading those things at the time when Hunt for Red October is a contemporary thriller. Now you go back and now it's a time machine. back to the 80s. But at the time that I read it, that was a contemporary thriller. So there's just something different about what you do from 8 to 18, 10 to 20 than there is going back and revisiting something at age 30, 40, or 50. So I do think about that a lot because I have kids and in that same battle as every other parent when you're up against the most powerful companies

in the history of the world whose sole goal is essentially to keep kids from reading. Yeah, to monopolize their attention. You have dropped so many threads. want to pull on already. Yeah, the amount of time, you're absolutely right. And I mean, I say this living in a glass house that I lose in a day. The amount of time that I lose scrolling. And what that time could have been given to is shameful. And to think about an entire generation, potentially of lost, you put it in terms of art,

but just lost independent thought, just lost creative thought of any sort is potentially a civilizational type of problem here. Okay, but let me pick on some of the threads here that you've dropped. So I actually thought about this. Cry Havoc, 1960s. Formative years for you and everything that you're reading, 1980s. Your actual warfare that you participated in 21st century. What do you think was your time, Jack? Like, if you did have a time machine, because I also know you're a gadget guy. Like, you like all the stuff. You may not wear a whip band, but you like the gadgets. So you go back in time, you're going to lose your gadgets a little bit. So I'm curious. And I'm not just asking you as a warrior. I'm asking you as a person, like, when do you think

you would have wanted to live? For sure, the 80s. It was just such a great time because, you know, you're out of World War II. That generation came back, didn't whine about it. They got to work building this country into the greatest country in the history of the world, but they had to build it. They had to put in that work. They couldn't wallow in the experiences of World War II. They had to build on that. Right into the Cold War, we have the 60s, of course, you have assassinations, you have turmoil. You move into the 70s. Now, okay, there's, we still have some, some issues with gas and oil and things like that, but we're coming out of a very interesting time in U.S. history. And then we hit the 80s. And if you're a kid that grows up in that time,

when you still have parents that are going to work, a lot of us had both parents going to work, so you had this freedom, you didn't have an electronic tether, you didn't have to check in with your parents via text, they couldn't track you at any given time. You got drops off. So basically your age. You think you did grow up in the right age then? Because that's about, you know, that's roughly your age. But I want to stay there.

That's the point. I want to stay back there, which I'm going to stay there. So my time machine now is why my goal is to get a DeLorean and put it into a barn and then to have a RCA video display, VHS, Beta Max on a TV that I can watch while sitting in the DeLorean surrounded by artifacts from the 80s. Like, that's my time machine. So it's not, I don't have it yet, but it's, it's on my list of things to do. And as far as gadgets, I'm back to the vintage stuff.

Like I said, like this, like this watch right here, it's from the, from the 60s, a lot of the pistols that, that I'm collecting now. Those things come from, really, from the early 1900s onward. So I do like the vintage type stuff. I drive cars from the 80s, FJ62, Land Cruiser. I just love that time. I have some 90s ones to have, have some land cruiser from the 90s, but they still have a key that you have to put in. and turn and nothing's updating from a cloud when you park the thing nothing's beeping at you nothing's lane correcting at you so my wife is like why don't you get a new car that actually works

and i'm like well i just can't can't do it i tried it twice and turned them both back in i just couldn't couldn't deal with it so i'm back to 80s and 90s and 170s vehicle so i just it's all i can do at this stage is to bring myself back to those simpler times when uh through some of those gadgets through some of those physical things like the weapons. Let's take quick break, but continue this conversation with former Navy SEAL worldwide

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Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with the author of The Terminalist, Cry Havoc and the fourth option, Jack Carr. I'm all over the place because I feel like these conversations are actually kind of starting to weave together. I think I'll be able to do this. This is going to sound like a turn, but it's not. All right. You, again, you draw on your personal experience as a Navy SEAL. You also, after you have retired, continued to stay invested in the know about war fighting because of what you've written, because you continue to write about contemporary warriors, terminalists, so forth. I'm sure the Nicholas Maduro raid got your attention.

While that wasn't Seals, that was Delta. I'm sure that got your attention. First thing, I'm just going to put it open question to you. What stuck out to you about that? Like, when you see that raid, what makes it in any way unique or special? Well, first thing I'm thinking of is the guys that did it, whether they were on the ground or supporting wherever they were, that they're back home safe. And, of course, there were some injuries on that. I don't think all of them would come to light quite yet.

But there were some serious valorous actions that took place on that raid. So my first thought is of the guys of the people. of course. And then from there, I think, oh my gosh, look, this is going to be studied for generations. This is something you're going into a capital city, a fortified compound of a sovereign nation to grab somebody essentially out of their bed and take them back to the United States. That is pretty serious. So, and it's successful. So one, okay, amazing. And then when you think about all of those fortifications and you think of all of them, I shouldn't say all, most of them, being Russian, former Soviet in origin.

What does that mean? Well, we just proved to most of the world that if you, if that's your fortification, guess what? You're not safe. So you see that. We saw some things all in conjunction. We've seen some of them before here and there, but really not highlighted the way that we've seen them this time,

meaning the air armada that is essentially going in. And we're seeing that cyber attack on Caracas's power facilities. And so the lights are going out. So you're using all this technical and tactical advantages all coming together as this whole package is going in. And our guys are going in in helicopters to land, to disembark, to go and be ready to deal with safe rooms and all the rest of it, with their exothermic torches and breaching saws, all the rest of the things that they have in the arsenal that we've got that we developed, really. Yeah, pre-9-11, but the acceleration of those tactics, techniques, and procedures just took off during the wartime. So to have all of that come together and see it work the way it did, that's something special. But the other lesson here, and I read this somewhere, so I want to give credit where credit

is due, it wasn't exactly, it wasn't for me. I think multiple people are talking about it, is what does the enemy learn? And that's something I think about in my books. That's something I thought about on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan. What does the enemy learn about us up to this point so they can anticipate our next move so that we can, in turn, adapt faster than there? because usually on the battlefield, the person who adapts faster than their enemy comes out on top. So what does the enemy learn from this?

Not just rah, rah, yes, this is amazing. US power. We went in there and we did all this with these technical and tactical advantages. Well, what is the enemy taking from this? That's the real question. And I think in this case, it's that, well, all of these fortifications, if they came from Russia, they are not going to hold up against an American strike like this, an American operation like this. So what does? Okay, some of those other things. Maybe infiltrating our country using people that are already here. Nuclear deterrence, of course. And we're in the case of Iran, North Korea, other places around the world. That must be something top of mind. Like, okay, all of these fortifications we have aren't going to work, but guess what is a deterrent? Oh, a nuclear deterrent. So I think that is the way is taking away from this. Hey, our fortifications don't work, but what will?

other things. What do you make of the weaponry? This hasn't been confirmed. And I had Senator Mark Wayne Mullen on the show, who was on the House Armed Services Committee, and I did ask him about it. I really didn't expect to get a fully forthright answer from the senator.

But President Trump has now alluded to there was something different that was used. There's Internet talk of these, I don't know, sonic weapons that might have been used by the United States, like an auditory or sub-auditory signal that was put out that became somewhat debilitating to the Venezuelan defense forces. Is this science fiction type stuff? Or in what you know and what you've learned, is this in the arsenal?

I would suspect that there are things in it, well, if the reports are true, then it's already out there. But I'm certain that there are sonic type weapons in development or in the research phase and have been for decades. And a lot of those things that were science fiction eventually became true, like submarines, airplanes going to the moon, those sorts of things. A lot of those types of things came from the pages of fiction and then became nonfiction later.

So I don't know. I didn't get to use any of that sort of thing and had no touch point with them in the military, but if we have them in the arsenal and this was a good place to try to use them, and they'll be taking those lessons learned back and then improving on those weapons systems if in fact they do exist. Okay. Let's stay with current events a little bit. A little bit.

I'm not going to push you into speaking to things you don't. But, okay, so cry havoc is said in the 1960s, late 1960s, which is a very tumultuous time in America, as you pointed out. There was assassinations going on. There was Vietnam. There was a lot of racial strife. And for that matter, political strife, like people just turning on each other in America. We're at a pretty tense point in America here. And, you know, it's interesting when you have this conversation because here is fluid.

I feel like we've had this conversation for a while. We had this conversation in 15. Are we more divided than we ever have been? And maybe the more sober-minded of us go, well, there was the 1960s and, well, there was the 1860s. So there are points in history and go, look, this may not be the worst. It's been in America. But, you know, we had the Grammys last night. We got the protest on the street across America, Los Angeles, Minneapolis. You've got new chop zones. If you'll remember the chop zones from 2020, these autonomous zones that popped up in Seattle. Well, there's those popping up now in Minneapolis. And it's tense. It's really, really tense.

I mean, the rhetoric, honestly, I think you could go back to the 1960s and beyond. The rhetoric is worse than I wasn't alive, but I can't imagine they were calling each other Nazis and authoritarian and calling for Fort Sumter moments and the type of thing we're hearing today. But having written a book set in the 60s and really diving into that time period, like, do you see parallels between then and now? Certainly do. And one of the reasons I went back to the 60s goes back to something we talked about earlier, a little bit of the technology that now is, you know, it's invaded our, the popular culture as far as film, television books, because you can't just discount being to text, being able to text someone, having cameras out, facial recognition technology, all of those things, you have to weave into storylines now. So I wanted to go back to a time that was more pure that you could really explore. And this is a, this is really a, and my first espionage story set in Saigon, primarily, 1968. So I wanted to go back to a time where I could explore that more traditional tradecraft where you didn't have all these technical,

advantages that we have today. But in thinking about the parallels between then and now, certainly saw them in my research on the 60s, but even more so in the 1860s, like you mentioned. And what used to give me hope was thinking about, let's say this is 10 years ago, that, hey, we were much more divided in the 1860s. We had an actual civil war. And then we came back together. But then I think, oh, guess what we didn't have back in the 1860s? We didn't have social media. We didn't have these manipulation devices in our pockets each and every day that allowed not just those companies that host the platforms, but foreign entities, but political parties. All of these different entities can now manipulate through these phones and they can do it

to that group that we talked about earlier. And if I'm thinking about this 10 years ago, well, that 10 year old is now 20. That 15 year old is now 25. That 20 year old is now 30. So they've been manipulated now for those formative years. And if they don't recognize these things, things as manipulation, then they can't take steps to counter it. So we've really lost that ability to think, and I'm saying this is a broad stroke, of course, that ability to think logically, to study something in depth, to have that foundational knowledge upon which to delve into if you're going to make a statement, have an opinion, share that opinion.

You just allow yourself now to be manipulated by the strongest voices of the day. And is that even an algorithm? Is that even a person now? Is it an AI entity that is set up for clicks and is set up specifically to enrage? And now we have, once again, that whole generation that's growing up enraged in that fight or flight state in their hearts and souls because of these devices that they carry around. So I don't know what the answer is. I know part of it is recognizing it as manipulation and then being able to take steps to counter. But if you've been preconditioned through those formative years to be manipulated and that, that's,

that's your steady state, that's your foundation, then I don't know. And so going back, taking it back to the 1860s, I don't know if we would have come together as a country if we'd had social media on devices in our pockets meant to manipulate. So I just don't know. So I tried to remain hopeful. It's really interesting. It's very difficult. So the premise is that at least in the path there was a shared reality and you would hope the path of logic and reason to recognize that reality that we would acknowledge there were very heightened, impassioned and emotional times, but you could revert, you could return, hopefully, at least a great amount of the population to that shared reality. That's the past. What you're saying now is you are constantly fed a surface-level emotional reaction.

See the video. Read the characterization of the video. And then, I mean, you can feel how you want Jack, but I mean, celebrities whose job it is to sing, get up on a stage and then make a statement, a very impassioned, emotional, moral statement based upon very shallow evidence, and let's be real, not deep understanding of context, laws, constitution, history, whatever it may be. So now you never have to, or never have an opportunity to use that logic and reason to get back to a shared reality. So you just stay there, as you said, stay there in that enraged state. And you're saying something more, raised there, raised in that state. So you're almost raised with a psychosis.

And so that's the difference between now and even as divided as we were then. Like you can't, how do you come together if you share nothing? Share nothing. It's tough. And I don't have the answer, but that's the foundation from which the next generation is building. Now, going back to celebrities, it's interesting when I do these little profiles on my social media of stars that I grew up watching and I'm looking at guys like Lee Marvin or Charles Bronson and I'm looking at their past and what they did in World War II.

You had a lot of stars back then who served in World War II. two and not just entertaining, but actually in ground and air combat. Jimmy Stewart. So you have these guys that came then to Hollywood and they'd all hang out at the, what is the VW down to Hollywood and all that stuff. And you can go there today. It's a really cool place. And they have photos of the black and white photos of these guys on the walls.

And they used to, I mean, they lived hard. They definitely lived hard. It was a different time in Hollywood. That's for sure. But they came back. But they had this. And even the people who of that generation that didn't serve. in World War II in ground combat or air combat type roles or or combat on the seas,

they still had that shared experience as a nation. The whole nation went through that. They went through the Great Depression. They went through World War II. And then, wow, we're essentially a new nation that has to lead the world. And they were part of that. And now we're the beneficiaries of that, but we didn't have to invest in it, if that makes sense.

The majority of people didn't have to put anything into this system that now serves them and gives them all these amazing options and not. opportunities every single day just by being an American citizen, but without the investment. And so I think that's the difference. There's not a shared experience of investment in this experiment called America. So it's a different time. And once again, I don't have the answers on how to fix that, to give us a shared experience going forward to bring us back to some of those same roots that we had. Religion is certainly one. Going to church, the Bible, civics, we really understand why we have this Constitution and Bill of Rights. The history,

behind it, what it gives us, what was sacrificed for it. And what those people back then sacrificed each and every day so that we could live the lives we have today. So there's a lot of it can be solved, I think, if people put the phone down and get into the pages of a book. And not just, not just nonfiction, studying history, but even fiction, because through that, you develop compassion and empathy because you're, you're reading about other people's lives through their eyes. And it's very difficult to develop that compassion and empathy other ways, especially if you're only seeing the social channels, because that does the opposite. It does the opposite of that. It builds, it does not build compassion and empathy. Those algorithms are made to do the exact opposite to keep you focused, keep you clicking, keep you scrolling, and really control your life.

Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with former Navy SEAL worldwide bestseller of the terminal list. Jack Carr on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with the author of The Terminalist, Cry Havoc, and the fourth option, Jack Carr. Okay, one more deep question than just a couple of light questions. So, okay, James Reese. James Reese in the Terminal List and several books, he is a character who is taking somewhat of a vigilante action against a corrupted system. Is that a fair characterization, don't you think?

I think that is. It's about revenge without constraint and essentially bringing the wars from Iraq and Afghanistan home to the doors of people who just sent men and women downrange for the time I'm like 16 years, but now in 25. Okay, while I haven't read it, Chris Walker, the new character, the new protagonist, in the fourth option, is a little bit similar. It's like I've seen it likened to a Western, okay? You know, it's not the black hat, but I'm not sure it's the white hat. It's the guy.

The stranger comes to town. Exactly. That mysterious stranger comes to town. Yeah. Yeah. But I actually, this is an idea I wrote down. I'm running down all my ideas at the outset when I was deciding which one to go with. I went with a terminal list, but the fourth option just wouldn't leave me.

And so it's different in that domestic focus. and it's stranger comes to town based on actually have gun will travel. I bought this in the PX in Baghdad in 2005, but I used to watch this from my dad when I was five, six, seven years old. So have gone will travel. This is the foundation for that story, but also people who've watched Shane or Magnificent Seven or High Plains Drifter, Pale Rider,

all of those old stranger comes to town type westerns that I watched during those formative years that we discussed. That forms the foundation. Of course, being a child of the 80s, people will find little drops of things like lethal weapons, in there, maybe a tiny bit of Air Wolf, a little bit of A-Team, certainly the Equalizer from the 80s. So all of that kind of that experience comes into the pages of the fourth option, because I wanted to really differentiate it from the terminal this series, because the

character's going to have a similar background. There's going to be a vigilante aspect to it, but I had to make that character different with different passions, different underlying foundations, but the stranger comes to town, Naradov, and it's my modern interpretation of the old school Western. Okay, take both of these characters. They're vigilantes. is going up against something, a system, an injustice. When you have that, okay, I want you, all of these people, again, I'm not asking you to address politics specifically, but this could be a bigger question.

All of these people right now see themselves in America, on the streets of Minneapolis, wherever they may be. They see themselves in some form as a vigilante hero, perhaps in a collective group, right? But they are standing up in their minds to the man. Now, they and I can disagree on whether or not what they're standing up for is just or unjust. But there is no doubt that's how they see themselves. They would probably like to see themselves like a civilian version of James Reese against what they think, in their own words, is an authoritarian system, you know, a country that is losing its democracy. And so I see your face already.

But you have this vigilante heroic character, too, now. And what would you say like when you see these other people are going, that's, I'm the vigilante hero. Like in that world, everybody's right. Kind of right, because you're writing your own story. Well, first, I've seen pictures of some of these people out there and they look nothing like James Reese and don't seem to have the same capabilities as they're at Chris Walker. So, but once again, as I say, as I say in the story. They have a whistle. They have a whistle.

Yeah, they have some very annoying whistles. But as I, yeah, so I think there's a lot of differences there. But first one being, one is being manipulated essentially by those same forces that we talked about earlier. There's no doubt in my mind about that. And in a sense, I feel sorry for a lot of those people out there. Feel sorry for those people who lost their lives out there and their families because they were, I think, manipulated by whether it's the algorithm, whether it's politicians, whether it's quote unquote influence. influencers, whatever it is, that manipulation arrived at a phone in their pocket or on their computer screen or whatever it is to get them to take these actions that logically really don't

make sense, especially if they weren't doing it 10 plus 15 years ago now under a different administration that was deporting more people than the current one. So obviously, the same actions are taking place, yet there's a different response from a certain segment of society. Why is that, well, why do you think manipulation through those, through those devices? So my characters are not being manipulated by an algorithm to go out and take, take actions. Yeah, some of them might be illegal actions, but then in some cases, they're also justified legally in the end. And people have to read the books to find out how. But I do go back to that. And maybe some of it's a frustration, but there's something about watching someone on a screen or reading it in a book where

you know that you can't do these things in real life. Like you go and you watch Commando in the 80s, or whatever, you know you can't do that stuff in real life. But you have this cathartic experience in a theater with other people and you walk out. But you know because you're a logical human being that you can't go out and just start killing everyone or you'll end up in prison and on death row. Like that's just how it goes. But you can watch Death Wish.

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. How many Death Wish movies there are. There's a reason that they're making them over and over again. And it wasn't because people didn't go to see him. It wasn't because people didn't connect with them. It was for the opposite of that. Yet people didn't, people know you can't go out and take those actions because you're a citizen of this country and you have this foundation of law and order. But there's some sort of catharsis that takes place when you see somebody do it in a fictional setting.

So that's how I grew up. And then if we go back even farther, there was another reason for storytelling. And that was around the campfire, passing along lessons from the hunt and from combat, so that those lessons could then be passed down in oral fashion then, but eventually written down. So there was a reason for it. I think that's another reason why we are so connected to books, fiction, films, television, because if we go back that the primeval part of our beings realized there was a reason for this at the outset of time. And that's because the tribe, the family, the community needed to survive.

through the lessons in those stories. So there's a piece there as well. Okay. This is the last couple things here's just really quick and light. So you've talked a lot about like the military books that were formative for you in the 80s and eyes. You also name drop a couple, you know, cops and robbers. You brought up lethal weapon and some of these others that have influenced, if not the first series, this new one, the fourth option. but the stranger comes to town is a little bit of a Western theme as well. So I don't know if you are a Western guy, but you did mention Louis Lamor, and I was a Louis Lamor fan. By the way, one of my favorite Louis Lamour books is in a Western.

Last of the Breed. Last of the Breed. That seems like a Jack Car book. It's so great. It's heavily influenced the book Savage John, and I acknowledge that in the acknowledgments and in the preface, I believe. But what a great book that was. And I can't believe they didn't make it into a movie in 19.

let's say 87, 88, right after it came out. It was, I mean, we were right off the Rambo craze kind of of in 1985, that big summer. And then you have this book that has some similarities of an Air Force pilot shot down in a prison camp in Siberia escapes and has to make his way across the tundra. And then back kind of following where his ancestors, because he's a First Nation Native American guy and works his way across. It's so good. So good. Right. I can believe we did not get.

Last of the Breed starring Lou Diamond Phillips in 1987. you know you can fantastic i'm in i mean that's why i want to go back so i can make that movie that's why i'm so intent on going back that'd be fantastic produce it don't go back you could produce that now jack you have that hollywood wait but it's a little different now because the the soviet union isn't out there we're not all thinking about red don as kids like wait just waiting for it waiting to get up to those hills we can take on the soviets um so it's a little different now if we were to make that today but at the height of the cold war that movie would have crushed.

Oh, such a missed opportunity. Dang it. By the way, if you haven't heard that... That book for those who've not read it. That book is thick. It's an Air Force pilot spy plane, I think, right? Shot down over the Soviet Union.

The pilot is an American Indian. He's shot down in the rural parts of the gigantic Soviet Union. And he decides that he has to get back to America and he hikes it all the way through all the forest and tundra and blizzards and snow and Native American tribes.

And he's hunted the entire time by these Soviet, also, by the way, Native American hunters, or not Native American, Native Russian, whatever it was, natives tribes. And he, doesn't he Jack in the end, doesn't he Roa Chia? Don't give it away for everybody. Don't give it away. Yeah, spoiler, even though it's been out for like 40 years. But it's so good. And that's probably the best beginning and end to a book that I've ever read. I think that is, it's certainly up there in the top five, if not number one. The way that book starts and ends and the way it all ties together is simply brilliant. Okay, so that's where I was headed.

Give me your westerns, Jack. I mean, I'll make it easy for you. I'll tell you this, and I haven't thought about it, but the ones I go back to. First of all, Lonesome Dove, and that's 1991, is a gigantic epic, obviously based off a book by James McMertry, or Larry McMurtry. James McRetrie's his son who's a singer. But that's always in my rotation. It's in my profile picture, I believe.

Tombstone, but I love Tombstone, but it's not, there's modern ones that I know country for old men is great. Hell or High Water, the Taylor Sheridan written movie, which I love that. And by the way, those are Black Hat vigilantes in that movie, but you root for them. What's your westerns, Jack? I think I have to go with magnificent.

7 and true grit. It's just because of one the time that they were. The old true grit or the new true grit? The old true grit. The new true grit is more true to the book, but the old true grid is the one I grew up with, so I have this connection to it. So old true grit with John Wayne, of course,

is fantastic. Another great ending. We're talking about endings. Magnificson 7, of course, such a fantastic film. And Wild Bunch, of course. So those ones right there are so, different from one another, butchcasting the Sundance Kid.

What's interesting about butchcasting the Sundance Kid Wild Bunch and True Grit is that they came out in the same year. And each one speaks to something different, of course. Butchcasting the Sundance Kid is like, is 60s. I think it was 1969, but let's just say it speaks to the 60s, like a present day type of thing, even though it's a Western.

Then we have True Grit, which is the past. That is certainly an homage to the old Westerns of yesterday year. And then we have a wild bunch and that of course is looking forward into the future so those three Westerns I think are so influential because they came out in the same year and each spoke to a different segment of society so so that those three stand out to me but of course tombstone pale rider unforgiving you know those more modern ones

fantastic as well but but those went from 1969 and Magnem Gibson 7 was a few years before that but just fantastic just fantastic and I find myself now I can't the name of it. But there are some Westerns that I didn't see growing up. Or if I did see them with my dad, they, they were, I didn't catch the name because I was just the remote control going up to switch between, let's say a Western and football or whatever, whatever it was. So there's some fantastic Westerns out there. High noon. There's some great old ones out there. You have to have the patience for them, though, and the time to invest. You can't be on your phone also watching these things. You have to commit to them because the

pace isn't the same as today. The actors are going to peat the pot over and over again so you can understand it, you know. So it's a different time. You have to transit yourself back to the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and put yourself in the shoes of someone in those decades to watch them through that lens. So it's different. But those three that I mentioned are the best. But for me anyway, just because of the time in which they came out. All right, last question. I'm going to let you go. You just held up the fourth option, which comes out in May. I think it's available for pre-order. What I'm shocked about is when you held it up, you're still redlining it. How is that thing not on the printing presses yet? isn't the lead time for a book?

Maybe not for Jack Carr. Maybe that's the deal. Jack Carr can finish a book and we'll get it on the presses and in the binders within a month and a half. But that seems really tight, Jack. It is pretty tight. It's not the tightest I've ever. This is actually for me, this is well ahead of schedule, although I'm past multiple deadlines. But it is, but it's pretty good for me.

But yeah, don't expect to have to finish a book and have it go right to the printing press. That's just kind of how it, how it, how it, works these days for me, but I'm trying to get ahead. That's why there's not a James Reese book this year. There's the fourth option coming, but then as soon as I finish with these edits, then I go right into the next James Reese, James Reese, James Reese, and that one will come out probably 2027. But I needed to catch back up because of all these different projects that I've been doing over the last few years, a book a year. The 1968 book took a lot more time than I anticipated, bringing myself back to that year because I wanted to write it through the lens of

1968 without bringing 50 plus years of hindsight to the story. So that took. That took. a ton of time, a lot longer than I thought, put me way behind. And we had a couple of shows come out also, filmed True Believer, which should be coming out later this year. I was hoping we've come out on Fourth of July weekend. I would love to drop all eight episodes, Fourth of July weekend, bingeable, Chris Pratt starring. But I think it might be pushed to the fall. I'm not sure. But my vote and my push is to get it Fourth of July weekend as a blockbuster, all eight episodes at once for people. I think that's what people want. But doing that, had the Dark Wolf came out last year, so we filmed that, post-production on that, got that thing out.

So there's been all these projects that I've been involved with. Have any documentary coming out? Perhaps with Fox Nation to stand by, that hasn't been announced yet, but that's the B. we should be seeing that later this year. So that's a little teaser for that. But that also took a lot longer than I expected. So anyway, point being fourth option, May 12th, audiobook, Ray Porter, who's absolutely incredible.

He narrates all my books to include the nonfiction book on Beirut, 1983. and then I'll be diving right back into James Reese to get that out, 2027. All right, Jack Carr, always great to talk to you, man. The fourth option is the newest project. It's available for pre-order very soon. Make sure you get on that. And Cry Havoc, it hadn't been out that long, so you can get Cry Havoc as well.

Jack Carr, thanks so much, Jack. Hey, thanks so much for having me. You take care. You bet. By the way, somebody said this. Two of Ayes just sent this to me. Um, about Jack. Let's see if I got this working yet today.

No. It takes forever now. My thing takes forever. Two of days to load onto my screen. Oh, boy. It just, it will eventually. All right. Um, the Jack and I look like each other.

The Jack looks like Will with a, with a beard and a hat. Yeah, I haven't got it up yet. Hold on. Let's take a break and we'll put it up. you want. Yeah, look at this picture. We look like we're about to go into battle against each other in this picture. Right. Someone this plus. Go ahead. No, someone said someone what car looks like he could be Will's cooler, more rough and tumble older

brother. Thank you. Thank you. Older brother though. Older brother. Take that Jack. I think I'm older than him. We've got to talk about the Grammys. We got to talk about Minnesota. We got to talk about ice. We've got to talk about stolen land coming up on Will Cain Country. Who are the three guys with Will, especially the guy furthest away that never speaks, asks Rick Parsons over on YouTube. It is Will Cain Country at the channel, the Fox News Facebook page. Two at A's is back with his tinfoil pat as well. Who are the three guys, Rick?

Well, we can put him up on the screen right now. You got two of days, Dan. Running the show on the board. Ooh, yeah, got a haircut, Dan. Cut the hair off. It was time. Yeah, high and tight. Yep.

high and tight. It's like you're getting ready to go clear the streets of Minneapolis. Yeah. I was like, give me the ice, if you can, please. The ice haircut. Can you give me an ice haircut? I want to piss off my friends. Yeah, Patrick in the bright green hoodie, who speaks some, tinful pat.

And in the background there, who never speaks is Connor. Connor does never speak. He speaks to me. You can go up to the microphone and say hi to everybody. Who kind of Bukane people Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Man a few words

But many ideas All right put that Put that picture up People say Jack looks like my older brother Better looking Yeah Rougher tougher Cooler

I see it You guys have the same like no shit Do we look like we're about to fight? Yeah That looks like a card You know what I mean Like a fight card UFC 236

Yeah Former Navy SEAL TV host. Did you do the AI one? Definitely not. What are you talking about? Definitely not. Patrick sent you swapped our faces.

Is that what you did, Patrick? I just said, put a beard and a hat on Will and then give Jack, Will's hair and no beard. I think it's, I think it made his face a little too long. People are wondering how tall Jack is, because you might be wondering. Don't know. Don't know. They figured I'm obsessed with height, so I would be asking that. I don't know.

Brian Spade says, it's weird how Bad Bunny didn't have a major sales, not number one, not number one hit on USA Radio, but he won. Something Ain't Right Here. Is that right? See, I don't keep up with this stuff. Is Bad Bunny not had a hit this year, but he won the Grammy for, what did he win? Artist of the year? What do he win?

I think he won Best Album. Almost positive. Really? He's had hits, but it depends on the chart what you're talking about. Like Latin charts or... Well, don't you win the... Well, yeah, but aren't the Grammy's American? Like, don't you kind of have to perform on the American charts?

No, well, they... Maybe not. They include Latin America. I mean, he's Puerto Rican, so he's American, but... I was going through the whole list last night. Trying to see, like, who won. I didn't even know who won or whatever. And there's like a whole bunch of categories that you probably have never heard of, including like a lot of global things.

Yeah. All right. So the Grammys were last night and they turned into a political rally, essentially, with almost every presenter. As far as I know, I've got to be honest, I didn't watch it. But, I mean, there's half a dozen, at least celebrities that I've seen already today who spoke about ICE. You got Shibuzi got up there and talked about this is a nation of immigrants and we're all children of immigrants. I mean, here's a question. Is this stupidity or is this intentional?

The idea that we're talking about immigrants. You know, I'm willing to talk about immigrants. I am. But the conversation right now is about illegal immigrants. That's the conversation about ICE. So why is that left out of the entirety of this conversation of the public preening and posturing? Why is this not, that's not complicated? Like, that's not a hard concept to grasp.

So I can only assume that nobody's that stupid, that it is intentional. You know? Like, does Shibuzi know that we're not deporting immigrants, that we're deporting illegal immigrants, and not even really illegal immigrants? Some illegal immigrants, but the focus is on illegal immigrants who have broken a law beyond illegal immigration. and this is the source of all of the angst. If I could guess what they're getting on, again, this is not my opinion. I think they're saying that, you know, back in the day,

a lot more immigrants that came in were illegal and quote unquote unto what we consider illegal now. You know, like Ellis Island, people just came in and came in. What do you mean? Like Ellis Island, people just came in and came in. I'm guessing that's what they mean. Those were legal immigrants. I know. Those were legal immigrants.

I know. but I think that's, I'm guessing that's what they mean and they just don't understand what they're saying. And how far back are we going to go? But that's just, but that's false on multiple fronts. I know. Like, meaning if you went through Ellis Island, you went through rigorous checks, including literacy tests, English tests, physical condition tests. Do you have a disease? Do you have, like, I think they kicked people out if they, I don't even, I don't remember all the standards.

but if they thought you were slow. He's slow. Not going to be an American. You know what I mean? I don't mean like slow of foot. Sure. I mean like slow of thought. Like you went through rigorous tests.

You were a legal immigrant. And what more of the idea that we took in much more numbers? No. Versus what happened the last four years? But they go back further. No. So that's just false. They're talking about like we're all illegal.

We're all immigrants because, you know, how far back are we going to go? Oh. You know? That's what I'm talking about. That's what they think. That's interesting. Yeah. Here we go. Here we go.

Yeah. Okay. I do not believe this. This is where we have to go back to the market. Go ahead and roll this. Okay. Lib Tar Dan. Hey, what the hell?

Come on. This is best given voice by Lib Tar Dan. No, this is best given voice by Billy Eilish. Roll the tape. No one is illegal on stolen land. Okay, that's good. That's enough. That's enough.

That statement is, okay, it's so. dumb and it's so dumb forget that I disagree what what can I disagree with because it's a self-defeating statement does anybody understand this that's how dumb it is no one is illegal on stolen land there's no such thing as stolen land if everyone is illegal if no one is illegal you see what I'm saying yes no one is illegal if it is stolen land wait It's so dumb, you can't reconcile. Yeah, wait. Okay.

Go back. No one is illegal on stolen land. But that presumes that land belonged to somebody, right? So somebody was legal? Is that? By what standard? Somebody was legal and we're all illegal because we stole the land, is what she's saying. So who are the legal inhabitants of America?

This would be a fun conversation. Native Americans? Which Native Americans? Yes, which ones? Which ones? Yep. Which ones? The ones that killed each other for various parts of the country to take the land in the game,

and the country they lived in? Were they the rightful inheritors? Are they the legal owners? No. The ones that walked across the Bering Strait? Like, only the ones that walked across the Bering Strait. They're the legal, because there was no people here before that. Like, which conqueror, I want to be real,

is the legal holder of the land that makes it so it's not stolen. I mean, also, by the same stupid rationale, weren't the pilgrims, so you're, let's get down to it, you're saying the white people. So the pilgrims come over here. Are they not refugees seeking asylum? The same as the people now that you're protecting, but yet they were the stealers of the land, but these people today are not the death. They're not thieves.

The pilgrims were fleeing religious oppression. They were refugees on the shores of Plymouth Rock. And you accuse him of stealing. But the Somalis in Minnesota are asylum seekers. Make sense of it, Billy. You can't. You can't make sense of it. Sound logic.

Because here's the truth. There is no stolen. an inherited land or whatever legal land. There is only the conqueror. That is it. It's that awesome scene from bury my heart at wounded knee. When the United States military, whatever his rank is, officer, is sitting there with Sitting Bull. And Sitting Bull is saying, you know, this is our land, this is our sacred land.

And he's like, why is this your sacred land? You came here out of the woodlands of Minnesota. you were run out of Minnesota by these tribes. You killed every tribe along your way to South Dakota because you wanted this land and this game and you killed every single tribe along the way. And you had been doing so for hundreds of years before the first white man ever arrived.

And now it's happening to you. You conquered them. You're being conquered. What's the difference? And for the record, by the way, if you really want to think about this, you're being conquered now. Meaning, that's what is the practical effect of all of this. And the people, like this far-left policy, we've talked about this. The great replacement theory is conspiracy.

How is it a conspiracy if they're saying it out loud? This far-left politician in Spain has said these exact, you know, they just took in half a million migrants into Spain, asylum seekers. And the point and purpose she said was to drive out the existing population of Spain, to replace them with new people with different values and different ways of voting and relationships with power. Slowly and quietly, though. Oh. Slowly and quietly. Yeah. That's the sneakier way.

This is all – see, part of me wants to say it's all so stupid, but I don't think it is stupid because you start with a proposition that you can't distinguish between legal and illegal. Then you go to the realization that no one is actually that stupid. So what you present is the idea that there's no such thing as a nation state and none of this land is rightfully held. That is echoed in the words of Boston Mayor Michelle Wu, who says outright, no borders. The people on the streets right now in Los Angeles, they are chanting, no borders, no deportation. So you're rejecting the concept of a nation state. So anyone can move wherever they want, wherever they want. But do you also want to have a welfare state?

Do you want your Medicare? Do you want your Social Security? Do you want your universal health care? How do you propose to support all that? How is everybody going to move here and have all that? And why don't you live that way, Billy Isles, who has a $50 million mansion in Los Angeles? Does everybody get to camp on your lawn? I mean, it's stolen land. Do you put, do you give them your food? Do you give them your master bedroom? I'm sorry, we don't call it the master bedroom anymore. What do we call it now? Main bedroom? I don't know what we call it. Primary. Primary. Primary. So stupid. Primary bedroom. Do you give them that? No, because you protect things. The people in Minnesota right now have created these chop zones. Have you noticed what they're doing? They're stopping traffic. They're going in the middle of the intersection and they're setting up crates. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Recliners. And they're setting up permanent residency. And you know what they're doing? They're checking cars as they go by. Why? They want to check and see if the plates are in the ICE database. So let me get this straight. You have set up

a little sovereign province in the intersections of Minneapolis where you established a border. The wall. People aren't allowed in. And you check the status of everybody that not only comes into your area, but passes by. Wow. Let me just get this straight. While chanting, no borders, no deportations. So it's not all stupid. It is the pursuit of some other thing, which that thing is given voice by Michelle Wu. No nation state. Wide open. And then ultimately it doesn't stop there. And we've had this conversation. Go to the politician in Spain. You want to replace the existing population with a new population. And why? Why?

Yes. Yes, in practical terms for your own political power and preservation. But this, you know, in the end, it gets simple. This is about a deep and abiding hatred. Well, I'm going to go deeper. It's about a deep and abiding hatred of Western civilization. And the seeking to destroy Western civilization, which is seen as the greatest repression. on the planet. But that's not at the end of that. It goes deeper because do you think that's what

Billy Elish thinks? Is Billy I just want to do away with Western civilization? Maybe, maybe not. Can she sound that out? It's deep and abiding hatred of self. That's what it is. You hate yourself. You hate yourself and everything that you represent and everything you're a part of and everything you've inherited and everything that people fought for before you and everything that you've earned probably as well. You have guilt. I don't know why. And I hate that. hatred of self, at least publicly, because I don't think you're giving your master bedroom over to the whatever. El Salvadorian dude.

That's what I was going to ask you. Why do they hate so much what they've benefited from their entire life? Yeah. Well, you know, you're the libtard. You tell me. That's pejorative. No, I mean, it is kind of a, it's like I feel bad, so I have to be vocal. about how much I've benefited.

But your Brooklyn brunch crew would reject everything I just said. Everything. Actually, no. They would simply get caught up in the idea. They get caught up in the idea, the image, what Jack talked about, the manipulation, the feeling of seeing someone scooped up. Sure. Forcefully and taken away.

Yep, you're right. Even if that person broke the law. And you know what's interesting about that idea now? Have you guys seen all the videos going around? Everything is propaganda. Everything is manipulated. There's a new one. I saw it yesterday. And it's like, here's the framing. ICE officers walk up to a 16-year-old boy and take their handgun and hit him in the face with the butt of the gun, you know, and drop him to the ground and then wrestle him.

And the thing is, look what they're doing now to 16-year-old boys. Well, today, the algorithm fed me the truth. That wasn't ICE. That was Anaheim police who had just tracked down a carjacker. He was a carjacker and had been violently running and resisting from them. Who needs the truth? But does your heart bleed for the carjacker? We're back to 2020, guys.

We're getting there. It's true. We're this close to the black box on Instagram. We're this close, man. We're this close to defund the police. We're this close to everything. Again. It's almost a little worse.

Yeah, I was just thinking, does that make me feel good? good or bad? I don't want to be that guy, but... Because 2020 turned out to be such a joke. If they're setting up chop zones again, go ahead. Like they did in 2020, what are we doing about it? I mean,

I mean, like, they're literally sitting up autonomous zones in the country. Well, what do you want? What is going to allow that? Something. We shouldn't.

Minneapolis police aren't going to take it down. No. Somehow, some way, maybe it's because of the beginning of 2020, I was talking about the fact that there was no sports on TV on ESPN radio. Somehow, this is more frustrating now, like that we're going to do it a second time. It's like we lost our collective minds and we all look back on it and laugh to some degree and hopefully learn the lesson of what defund the police actually did and the people that died and the people that suffered from that abhorrently stupid movement. And it's like, once, shame on you, twice shame on me.

Like, we're going to do this again. We're headed this way again. Do you think those people feel bad for how they acted back then? Or feel embarrassed? No, it's the same people. It's the same people. But the different movement. You know what I'm saying?

But, dude, different movement. We are on their sixth movement. I know. No. BLM. But to them, it's different. Masks. Vaccines.

Ukraine. Palestine. Is this the next one after Ukraine? Do you? Palestine. Did I miss one in between? Palestine. Oh, Palestine.

Yeah. I wonder what's next. Are you up on the current thing? Yeah. Are you angry enough? Are you angry enough on the current thing? What's your angry meter at? Right.

I'm a feeling Iran. I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, they're going to want to save Iran. They're going to be waving Iranian flags. Yep. Oh, dude, that would be just the peak of wild. I did see.

Not for the people. This morning of a dude to the government. I think they're college girls. Who's worse? The Trump for women's rights. The Trump administration or the Iranian regime. They all said Trump. they all said Trump

We can buy one-way tickets by the way One-way tickets to Iran Free Wouldn't be that expensive Yeah Yeah All right I'm exasperated

I need a break You got anything to say Ed Just sitting there looking at me We'll see what he says after the show Well it's going to be back Drop into the comments section I'll see what you have to say as well I want to hear what you guys have to say

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