Will Cain Country - Have We Already Won Against Iran… Or Is This Far From Over? (ft. Bret Baier)

Episode Date: May 6, 2026

Operation Epic Fury is out, and Project Freedom is on its way in. With the U.S. shifting their focus in Iran, what still needs to be accomplished to call the operation a success? FOX News Chief Political Anchor and Author of ‘The Case For America: An Argument On Behalf Of Our Nation’ Bret Baier joins Will to explain what exactly victory over Iran would entail, and more importantly, what it would take to achieve it. Plus, Bret shares some exclusive updates from President Donald Trump and makes his "Case For America."Plus, Will and The Crew share their own thoughts about what victory would look like in Iran, see what The Willitia has to say about Will’s conversation with Bret, and take a look at some intriguing new headlines from the past week stoking the flames of America’s UFO obsession. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@silicanes⁠⁠⁠) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Victory. Describe victory. Operation Epic Fury is over, according to Secretary of State Marco Rubio. We are now embarked on Project Freedom. There are reports, there's a one-page memo coming together that could draw up peace in Iran. There are reports that bombs may soon fall on Iran. Sometimes it's like watching a game where somebody's describing for you each little element of a play. Look at the spiral coming out of the hands of the quarterback. But how do you win?

Describe victory with the overall. author of the case for America. Brett Bayer on Wilcane Country. It is Wilcane Country. Streaming live at the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page. Always here by following us on Spotify or on Apple. I find myself frustrated. I found myself frustrated on a day-to-day basis on the biggest stories facing America.

I find myself frustrated at the end of the day. 4 o'clock central 5 o'clock eastern I find myself frustrated when I talk about the biggest story in the world when I talk about the war in Iran. I find myself frustrated because I don't know sometimes what we're talking about. Let me take a quick left before I come back into the center of the street. There are reports out there that

Protestant pastors have been pulled into a secret meeting with high-level government officials to discuss how they will handle their flock, how Christians, will handle the potential disclosure, the imminent disclosure from the United States government about the existence of aliens. This is making its way virally across X. This is making its way virally across YouTube. This is making its way virally across podcasts. FBI director Cash Patel sat down with our very own Sean Hannity on Hangout with Hannity. And he said this about imminent disclosure when it comes to aliens.

And so what do we do? We already delivered our first trance of information to that committee. And they're going to be publicly releasing this information. very soon. Very soon, information coming out of the United States government. This conversation has gotten to the point where my curiosity has become exhausted by my frustration. I am fed up with people telling me something big is coming, but not telling me who can tell them about that or what those details may be.

I am frustrated by the idea that there's some big secret, but nobody can let us in on the secret. I am frustrated by the idea that these pastors would be the first to know when it comes to alien disclosure. And it's where I find myself as well when I talk about the war in Iran. I find myself led down paths of talking points and details and specifics when it comes to the success of the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, but never knowing how to describe actually what victory may look like. I'm a big sports fan. and you're a big sports fan. I don't need a play-by-play announcer that describes for me the quality of every block from the left tackle.

If I don't understand how a left tackle's block helps protect the quarterback on his drive toward the end zone. And then arriving at the end zone multiple times adds up to victory. I have trouble when it comes to this war with Iran describing victory. That doesn't come from a place of skepticism, certainly not a lack of patriotism, but a lack of clarity on how I can describe for anyone. a win. I do think I have a guest today that can join us that will help us get some of that big picture idea of what's happening in Iran. He also has a new book out called The Case for America an argument on behalf of our nation. It is the host of Special Report, Brett Bayer, who joins us now Will King Country. What's up, Brett? Hey, Will. How are you, man? I'm good. I'm good.

Brett, I do think you're the perfect person to have what I hope is a little bit more of a a 30,000 foot conversation. It is a conversation that often, when I introduce it, I am met with a little bit of, I guess, frustration on the part of the guest where they say to me, well, it's obvious, you know. If I ask what the objective is in Iran, if I ask what victory looks like in Iran, I often feel like I'm made to feel stupid. And that may be possible. I may be very stupid.

But here is my question for you when it comes to Iran. what is victory for the United States? Like, what does it look like? Just down the road, we can all look back on this with some clarity and go, that was a huge win. What would that look like, Brett? I think it would look like you change the threat ratio from the regime. In other words, you diminish their ballistic missile program.

That was a lot longer and farther than anybody thought they had. You get the highly enriched uranium eventually out of the country, but more importantly, you restrict their enrichment going forward so they cannot have a nuclear bomb. And you make sure that the Strait of Ormuse is open for oil and every other kind of traffic through there. I will say, I just got off the phone with the President of the United States, and I had a conversation in which, In not so many words, he said this deal is heading down the right track and that he believes that he can get it across the finish line in something that will be clear that they can declare victory. And I kind of press them on a number of different ways. And that's the framework, as I just presented it, of what he sees his victory. Okay.

And walk me through this, Brett. Okay, three points to what your presumption of victory may entail. Severely degrade or destroy their ballistic missile capabilities so that they don't have a protective shield behind which they can do whatever they want. That one seems pretty close to victory. Is that fair? It's fair. We don't know exactly what they have left. One of three.

But, yeah, I agree. I think to say that it's significantly degraded is fair. And clearly we found out more of what they had over time. They were lying about it the entire time. So we've taken out a lot. If push came to shove, my military sources say they have a number of different targets that they could still go after on their list. But they're in the negotiation point now.

And they're hopeful that they can get that across the finish line. Okay. So next, on points two and three. on number two you said degrade their nuclear capabilities and ensure that it is not ever ramped up again to the point at which is a threat and number three is ensure that the Strait of Hermes remains free and open those two require something from a person the first point largely doesn't require anything from the powers that be in Iran we could theoretically destroy that unilaterally. And to your point, there are military experts to say, we got more that we could be hitting. So it's not totally destroyed. We hit more. We don't need the participation of the Iranians to accomplish goal number one. Goal number two and three require, at this point, if we're negotiating, participation with the powers that be in Iran. So this is why I think describing

victory is so important, because then we can back into it. So let's stick with the nukes for just a moment. How do we, the question is, who on the Iranian side can ensure us that that nuclear program will be in a position that we want it to be in? And so is that a, and this seems to be the most likely option, a Venezuelan-style zombie regime that we have met somebody, met some level inside of Iran that will be compliant to our desires, who will control the country and live up to our demands, is there some sense that, and by the way, that party also has to be able to control Iran internally. Like, it's great to sign something on paper, but can they actually enforce it with their

fellow comrades in Iran? I think it's a great, great question, and it's the sole question about this negotiation. Like, who exactly are we negotiating with and how do you believe that what they say is going to be delivered on? IRGC fired by all accounts on the UAE. The Iran president came out and said that was a stupid move. And that strategically, that was the wrong thing to do. This is the Iran president in Iran and IRGC operating outside of that.

So I think that's the biggest question as we get ready for the details of whatever this memorandum of understanding becomes. Brett, do you think this is fair that we have been surprised by the level of intransigence within Iran? Meaning, if we thought there was a Venezuelan model that we could, I'm not sure that we ever had in mind the idea that we were going to turn Iran into a free and fair democracy, that the people and the resistance inside of Iran were going to be pleased with the outcome. If it did happen, it happened, but I'm not sure that was really on the priority list really high. Instead, it was probably bomb them into some level of submission that they become compliant. The existing powers become compliant. And we have been a little surprised at how entrenched that power structure is, and we've had difficulty finding the compliance. I think that's fair.

I think there were some people on the list that they thought they were maybe going to deal with that ended up being on Israel's list of taking out, and so they're no longer on the earth. And I think that that changed some of the dynamic. But I think it's fair to say that they're the pushback inside, from the IRGC specific, they knew how hard they were, but expected some kind of, by this point, unified leadership to be speaking up. Right. And in that leadership, although it would still technically kind of exist under the Islamofascist

banner, would just be more compliant to our demands? Yeah, I mean, that's what the victory might have looked like. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's that famous quote we've heard somewhere. It's much easier to negotiate with Catholics than it is with. Islamists. We're having trouble finding our Delci Rodriguez. Yeah, yeah, 100%. Now, I mean, just from this phone conversation, there's a lot of optimism. There has been before. He's expressed that

before. But clearly this president is trying to reach out and make this happen on a diplomatic front. The straight-of-ermose thing, I thought Secretary Rubio was really on it yesterday in the White House briefing when he said, you can't allow, the world can't allow one of these passages, these straits that are so crucial for trade on all fronts to be closed and to be criminalized almost. If you allow that, there will be other countries that say, hey, Iran does it. Hey, you did it over here. And then it affects the world in a different place. He said that he could think of six or seven places that that would happen. So that's why that's a crucial part.

Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with the host of Special Report, Brett Bayer, who just got off the phone with the president of the United States and has a new book out entitled The Case for America here on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with special report host Brett Bayer, who has a new book out entitled The Case for America, an argument on behalf of our nation. But that's very similar to me to point to the nuclear thing, because that as well requires. internal controls inside of Iran. If we have a president of Iran signing a deal, but we have rogue factions of the IRGC that send drones into the straight, then what was written on paper isn't that valuable. Exactly. And patrolling that, the president's point is patrolling that should not be just us. It should be the world. So, Brett, so we, one more on this, because the description of victory,

Okay, I accept the description of victory. I accept if somebody kind of lays that out for me. This is what we're trying to accomplish this. I'm going to call it a zombie regime, okay, in Iran. If that fails, if not our negotiation, but the ability of Iranians to live up to the negotiation fails, and those same goals remain, it requires then much greater military investment from the United States. And I think what we learn from Epic Fury is, and I think what we learn from Epic Fury is, tell me if you think this is fair, Brett, maybe even much greater investment than what we got from Epic Fury. Meaning if what we identify as the problem is that a deep entrenched problem within, we'll call it the IRGC, it could have been also the besiege and various other elements. And hopefully, this is the biggest nightmare scenario, not 20% of the population.

Hopefully it's a formalized structure that is really the problem. We're talking about an investment that requires what, like boots on the ground? I don't think this administration and this president is going to get there. I really don't. I mean, I know that's what it leads to if you had to. But I don't think that they're going to, I think they're going to do everything possible not to get there. Not to do that. I agree.

But does that mean not getting to your victory then? Does that mean you don't accomplish your victory? Well, if you don't have the back end, if you have. have if you have Iranians that are preventing what's signed on a piece of paper from actually coming to fruition, I think their thought process is you go back to a blockade and we are in this standoff that continues to pinch them. But boots on the ground, soldiers on the ground, troops on the ground does not seem like something this president or this administration wants to do. No, I believe that to be true, 100%. But I hear what you're saying.

I'm trying to look down the road, Brett, and this will be my final thing on this before I want to talk about your book. You look down the road and you say, well, this deal will hold inside of Iran. Or we declare failure, option B, which we never will, but meaning we don't accomplish the nuclear ambitions and the straight ambitions. or C, we have to reengage in a way that I'm not sure we're willing to pay the price on to get to victory. Now, maybe we'll try continuing the blockade and aerial bombing, but I don't know the confidence level of getting to the second and third orders of victory through that mechanism. I'm not saying it won't happen. I'm just saying I don't know that we should go into that with a great level of confidence,

that we could destroy the IRGC through blockade and area. bombing. I agree with you. And I think that we don't fully appreciate the pressure economically that Iran is facing, not only the IRGC, but everybody on the ground and how much impact that's having. I don't think that the death cult, the real diehards really care about how the economic situation is for Iranians or anybody else, but they do care about themselves. And so evaluating that pressure level and why they're willing to change what they didn't agree to before and now they are, suggests that there is some movement there. And if they can deliver at least three quarters of what they're saying on a piece of paper, you know, that's significant progress.

Okay, last question, because you just told us, you just got off the phone with the president. Anything else we should know? Is there a timeline on that optimism? I asked that. He said maybe a week or two. Okay, so that's a little longer than I would have thought that answer would be. I know. I thought it was days. But he thinks that to dot the eyes and cross the T's might take a little longer. Okay. And he's not excluding any further action. He's not excluding resetting up the escort service through the straight. He's not excluding going back. in depending on how they react.

Right. Okay, Brett Bayer of Special Reports, not just here to give us the latest on this conversation with the President of the United States, but also because Brett has a new book out right now, it is entitled The Case for America. I spent the morning reading through your book, Brett. It is structured like a legal argument, a legal case, opening argument, testimony, closing argument, verdict. basically on what the next 250 years might be for America.

Can we continue our belief in America? I don't think I'm stealing any thunder from you to say you are optimistic at the end in your verdict. Yeah. And you know, listen, you know, I don't, I have a new show and I'm usually presenting, I report you decide, but I felt like this structure deserved me to get in the jury box at the end and kind of give my verdict what I see. Listen, this whole premise was ahead of the America 250. I thought it was just essential to look back at voices in the past.

These presidents that I've written about, George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Dwight Eisenhower, and Reagan, used their examples and speeches and what they've talked about and what they did, making their own case for America, and then contemporary voices, Condoleezza Rice, Ken Langone, Tim Schrever, David Rubinstein, all kinds of folks and historians that look about where America is and what we should be focused on ahead of this big anniversary. And sometimes just taking a breath and taking 30,000 foot look at what we have is just an important moment. And those freedoms that we have, you know, we've got to keep fighting for. So one of the things you do in the book, Brett, is you do – I'm going to take this from

the left and the right. You do address the left's criticism of America from its origins. So to look back at our past and see nothing but indictment. And I think that we on Fox have litigated that side of it well. We are aware of the arguments made from the left. We have offered the rebuttal. What I'm curious about in asking you this is the criticism of America's future, not its past, from the right. And then there are many people, I think, I don't know about many. That's a, that word carries a lot of weight. But there are people on the right who say, you know, as I'm reading through this, by the way, the narrative storytelling is very compelling, not a gratuitous compliment, talking about the second constitutional convention, talking about, is that Robert

Lee's ancestor, by the way, that stands up? You talk about him being America Cicero, who stands up from Virginia and John Adams seconds the proposition for the Decliffe. Is that Robert Lee's ancestor? Tied to that family, yeah. Yeah, tied to that family. Wow. Yeah, taking us through that story. And you see America through the lens of how it originally was and just how, you know, rabble, scrabble nature of it all was and how, I believe that Washington said that he never wanted the Congress to have representatives that represented more than 30,000 people, you know, something like that.

that it's got to be responsive to the people out there in the country. And I think from the right, there's this like failed empire or declining empire narrative. And it's the premise is that this behemoth is so far removed from the people at this point that it can no longer be responsive to the people into our next 250. Yeah. And I get it. And that criticism is there from the right. And it requires leadership. It requires somebody to step up. And, you know, for all the criticism of President Trump, and there's a lot of it, what he says, how he does it, what he talks about, he has made big things happen. You know, I say a lot of times it's like we focus on the stuff that's happening day to day, like an iceberg above the water.

But below the water, there's a giant iceberg that is happening, transitioning, changing. And that's part of what people voted for him to do. Oftentimes they don't talk about it of what's going on and the changes that are happening across the board, but there are a lot of them. I think part of this book is about looking at where we've been. We've been in dark places in our country, and we've been resilient. We've figured it out. We are constantly striving. Condoleezza Rice told me this is the case for America is that we are not perfect, but we're always striving to be perfect.

from a woman grew up in Birmingham, Alabama, and the segregated South and then stands next to world leaders as Secretary of State and says, only in this country can this happen. So those voices reminding us of our better angels and like how good this country is are what's going to take us forward. And there's a lot of individual stories in here that kind of lay out that case. This is a book for the graduating senior who you want to get something that, gives them a little ammo ahead of the 250th, mom or dad, you know. I've got one of those. Yeah.

I've got one. And who want to just have a little, you know, talk at the water, you know, tank and just say, listen, this is what's good about this country. And here's X, Y, and Z. Do you think often, I think when we talk about politics, there's this, I think it's, it's, it's, part of human nature. Let's all get along. And you talk about Tip O'Neill and

Ronald Reagan. Was it O'Neill and Reagan? Sure. O'Neill and Reagan. You've got Warren Hatch and Ted Kennedy. You've got all these strange bedfellows that eventually work together and find common ground. And you have a segment on Special Report. There's this this rational part of human nature that says, can we refine the ability to be bipartisan, to see disagreement, but still also be citizens under the same banner. And I think there's also like part of this that is like, can we reestablish some faith and trust in institutions? And what I wonder is which way we go, which is the healthy

way to go? Is the healthy way to go that we become more bipartisan? Is it that we can reestablish trust in institutions? Or is it that these institutions have to be diminished in the role they play in American life? I mean, that's a great question. And I think each administration Each new leader deals with that. I think it's the latter probably. You're going to take less of the institution and the big bureaucracy and more in the leadership that's trying to get things done. And it doesn't matter whether you're a Republican or Democrat. You're reaching across the aisle and you're going to move the ball.

You're going to move the needle. Listen, I don't think it's rose-colored glasses or sanitized looking at history to say our best moments. legislatively, big things that happened, happened with people reaching across the aisle to get it done, even though they were different in the way they looked at things. That's not to say that you can't be passionate about how you feel, and you're going to advocate your hardest. It's to say that when you find that common ground, when the thing works, you do it, you solve it, you move forward. And I think there's a lot of history and a blueprint in our past that could show. us where to go.

Okay, I want to ask you two more things, Brett, and I'm going to let you get back to your day. You probably know him. I've listened to at least two long-form interviews with former Senator Ben Sass from Nebraska. Awesome. Of course, if people don't know, Ben Sass is diagnosed with stage four pancreatic cancer, is metastasized throughout his body. He was given three months to live.

He's already exceeded that. And he's been on a bit of a truth-telling mission, a bear all, bear his soul. not just about politics, about a lot of things. He's been on 60 Minutes, and he's been on Ralph Rostoutts podcast at the New York Times. I was listening to SAS, and I have never, I don't think I've ever met SAS, maybe, I don't know. And he was talking a little bit like this, what we're talking about.

And I wondered if, if what SAS pined for is a bygone error that cannot be recaptured. And one could even ask whether or not it should be recaptured. Like, was the bipartisan level of American history, which basically was from about 1940 to, we could call it, I don't know what, 2010 was probably the most bipartisan era of American history. Yeah, I think Dwight Eisenhower was probably our most bipartisan president. But yeah, that's the 50s. Yeah, and if you go into American history prior to that, it was pretty rough and tumble. It was pretty partisan. It was pretty at each other's throats. I just wondered if, you know, it's becoming increasingly mainstream for the left to embrace concepts like democratic socialism. And I don't know where the bipartisan place is.

It doesn't mean you have to hate your neighbor. It doesn't mean you have to hate them, you know, when you're standing on the steps of the Senate. But I don't know what there is. I don't know what the middle ground is with where the left exists today. I hear you. And, you know, in the book, I do a debate between Lindsey Graham and Bernie Sanders, Democratic. socialist who is out on the stump and he's got all the fire of the left. That's where the passion is of that party. That said, Lindsey Graham and Bernie Sanders worked on big pieces of

legislation together. They figured out how to work together. But on big issues, they were diametrically opposed. But they could respect each other, listen to each other, and say, I totally disagree with you. And this is why. And then be able to. okay with it. What I think is different is social media and online has supercharged our ability to really talk down at people and diminish them and dehumanize them. And all I'm saying is you'd be passionate about where you are. And once I can think they're 100% right, you just have to listen to the other side and then figure out, is there something I can work with this guy or not? Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with the host of

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It's how we're making banking more human. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with special report host Brett Bayer, who has a new book out entitled The Case for Ameri. an argument on behalf of our nation. I think you're right about the influence of social media. There was last question for you, but there was a line in here. I don't know if I can open it straight to the line,

but you said something about basically the sentiment was that America's promise wasn't just that of having economic opportunity, but also about providing a sense of well-being, and you write in your dedication to your sons as well, You dedicate this book to your two sons, and you say also purpose. So I think that is going to become increasingly important to the future of America of defining what's a little bit like our conversation about Iran. What is victory? What does success look like in the next 250?

And I'm just going to add this one detail from your book as well. And I did not know this. When the colonists announced their Declaration of Independence from Britain, that the American colonists had some of the highest standard of living in the developed world. I would not have guessed that, did not know that. And so what was not driving them was necessary, yes, the taxes made them mad and that sort of thing, but it wasn't their own economic self-interest that drove this entire project. It was something more, and that something more, I think, is kind of the call to the next 250. Exactly. Exactly. You're at the exact heart of it, which is those founders, those people who stood up

and signed that declaration. Remember, at the time, that's an act of treason. They're essentially breaking away. And that's even before a lot of the fighting, all the Continental Congress, the battles of the Revolutionary War. But they were fighting for liberty and freedom, and it sounds cheesy, but this is where we are born. And the crazy part about it just recently, for King Charles to be here, ahead of our 250th, the point where we're, we declare independence from his country and his royalty. He's in a joint session of Congress delivering a speech saying, Americans, don't forget to be American.

You are unique. You're optimistic. You're forward leaning. That from the King of England. And I thought that was a poignant moment. I did too. I mean, the image of the King of England standing there celebrating the Declaration of Independence to a round of standing ovation from,

American representatives. That image in of itself was like, wow. That's a story right there. Yeah, it was. All right, the book is The Case for America, an argument on behalf of our nation. It's by Brett Baer, your host of Special Report. Just off the phone with the president giving us some very good latest information. Brett, we appreciate your time.

Hey, thanks, Will. Thanks for having me on. You bet. There you goes, Brett Bayer. Let me, I've got a lot in response to that. I want to pick back up on that UFO conversation I had in just a moment, but I want to check in here with everybody from the Wallisia in the audience. And where you are on some of these conversations we just have with Brett Baer. Let's go over to Facebook where Rick Yeager says, the end game is stopping them for decades in the future, if not forever.

So that's the description of victory from Rick Yeager on Iran. Yes, I do think that is an adequate definition of victory to stop them for decades, if not forever. So stop them from what? Stop them from developing nuclear weapons. Stop them from threatening the greater region. Stop them from killing American troops. The question is how to effectuate that. Can that be accomplished through a zombie regime in Iran?

And I do think with Brett we did work through the hurdles on that. I think it's all going to come down to can Iran live up to its side of a bargain? If there's a bargain to be had, is that bargain worth more, anything more than words on paper? Can they live up to that? Over on YouTube, 61 Dad, 62. It won't be over until Ron knows it's over. Big Jep, OK, C. looking back, won't the freedom and rights of the Iranian people be huge?

Here's the thing on that. I don't think that, I don't think that's part of this picture. I'm just going to say, I don't think it's part of the picture. Why? I think there's a lot of Iranian because of what it would take. What Brett said, there is no appetite to put boots on the ground from this administration. I don't think there's any appetite from the American people. and it would require that.

Well, it would just require the enforcement of that. First of all, it would require total victory. Total victory. Not a zombie regime. Total victory. The best hope that I think these people have that want to see that as their number one priority goes as follows.

Iran does not live up to its side of a negotiation. Rogue elements inside the IRGC continue to threaten the region. then the United States in response unwilling to put boots on the ground reinstitutes the blockade continues its aerial bombing campaign and that is probably by design somewhat of a I don't want to say death by a thousand cuts but more like a python stranglehold on Iran it continues to squeeze the life and the power out of the RGC and what I mean by power is their ability to control the local population and at some point the pain of the local population becomes so high economically that they arrive at the point of nothing to lose and cause civil war with inside Iran. That is probably in my mind the only path to the outcome described by Big Jep O'KC.

What's that? Isn't that like Afghanistan or Iraq? I mean, kind of squeezing to the point where something, you know, there's uprising? Well, the difference is not involving American troops. It's an economic squeeze and an aerial bombing campaign squeeze. And then what we're describing is ultimately effectuating a civil war inside of Iran. You know? Yeah. Do you think there ever will be boots?

Then you hope on the backside, and then you hope on the backside of that, that something emerges in Iran that can guarantee, in the words of Big Jebelok, I see, the freedom and rights of the Iranian people. Those are all big hopes, right? But I don't think this is, this administration learning from Iraq and Afghanistan, I don't think that has on their card of priorities a high, you know, number one through five. So an aerial view, no pun intended. Metaphoric, I don't know, says, I actually don't understand the side from the right who says Trump is doing. in Iran. There's a lot of negatives in here, so I got to figure it out. I actually don't understand the side from the right who says what Trump is doing in Iran

doesn't benefit the U.S. So they're saying it does benefit the U.S. Therefore, doesn't understand the people that say what we're doing over there. I don't think a lot of people. Doesn't benefit the U.S. That it benefits the U.S.? Yeah. It's hard to see.

Well, to Brett Bayer's point. Well, to Brett Bayer's point, obviously having the Strait of Hormuz open benefits the global economy, which affects the U.S. Now, one could argue it was open. Then you launch the war, and it closes down. Their argument and rebuttal to that is if Iran gets a nuke, then it can shut it down whenever it wants, and you can do very little about reopening it. That's how that argument goes back and forth. And then, of course, Iran acting as a state funder of terrorism to – and that's a – That is not an administration talking point.

That is 40 years of fact. That is true. The only debate for Americans is whether or not that rises to the threshold of military action for you, you who are listening, you who are voting. Them funding, you know, the separatist armies in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, them funding Hezbollah, them doing things like it is every soldier that I've ever met who has served over there

has said it was Iran behind the scenes doing stuff to us when a roadside bomb went off when this happened we knew it was Iran giving these people what they needed to fight against Americans

supporting them in the ways that they needed and then I said one more let's go one more Eric David said the only way we would feel okay about is if they let us in to watch the removal of the material and we confiscate it after. So that's on the nukes, right? So that requires a compliant zombie regime that allows us basically to do whatever we want in a way they haven't over the last 40 years.

And I agree, Eric, I think that is the description of victory. I think the Trump administration would agree that's part of their description of victory. Then the question becomes, can we get that accomplished? Can we get a compliant even? Listen, this is the picture. A Islamo-Fascist regime in Iran that is not hell-bent on hurting Americans and the greater region that wants to remain in power, that will continue to deny Iranians' freedoms and rights, but will also allow Americans or the international community to come in and get all the nuke stuff out. Is that a picture of what they would think is victory? Yes, I do think it is.

Preventing something. So can you get to that level of leadership that will do that? Can you get somebody that can enforce that internally? No, we get to stay in power. We're going to run Iran internally the way that we want, but now we have to let them dictate basically our external posture. Sarah Jordan says, I think it would be careless to think Trump and his administration don't have an end plan. We have to trust that they have all the information and plans to see this victory out.

That's my opinion anyway. Well, that may be, but I think that as American people, we also have a right to ask, what does that look like? Can we accomplish it? And even though this administration engenders way more trust than those in the past, I do think we've lived through ill-defined victories in the past. Twice. Yes? If you had to say what was our problem in Iraq and Afghanistan, if you asked me, the main one was, describe victory. That's followed up by, can we accomplish victory? And are we willing to pay the price to accomplish victory? That's the three levels of this. Describe victory. Is it possible? Will we pay the price to make it possible? I have no doubt.

we can do whatever we want. No doubt. The question is whether or not we as a people have the will to do those things, right? And want it bad enough to do those things. All right. Did you guys know that? That thing I said about to Brett that I learned in reading his book? No, I did. The colonies were had a higher standard of living. They're more well off than most of the world at the time. I find that absolutely fascinating. It seems, and it seems the opposite. I find that fascinating because we too easily, we too easily dismiss both history and the present in economic terms,

or explain history, right? It's always about this or taxes. Yes, even that line in, you remember in days of confused when they're about to get let out of the classroom and the teacher is giving a lefty sermon that day in U.S. history class, she goes, never forget, the American founders were slaveholds, white men who no longer wanted to pay taxes, right?

That's kind of like that little line actually informs the way most people think about all political decisions, driven by, and I'm not saying economic motives don't drive a lot of people, but not always. I'm happy to be from one of those 13 colonies. Yeah, you take pride in that? Yeah. One more blinker fluid supply says, hell yeah, we won. So we've already won. What are you shaking your head at, Patrick?

I don't know. I just stand being a Yankee. Northeastern elite. Coming up, are we on the verge of disclosure about aliens on Will King Country? Welcome back to Will Kane Country. I don't know that we can declare. total victory. Otherwise, I think we'd be done. But some people in the administration do, I think, don't they?

I mean, there's little victories and then there's overall victory, right? I think that's the difference. That's right. That's right. You put this up on the poll for the chat, Dan. What did you ask? What results did you get? I said, have we already won against Iran? Answer is yes, mission accomplished. No, this is far from over, and TBD. right now yes is at 30%

no is at 31% and to be determined is at 39% so it's pretty even split across the board so people don't really know what's going on super cripkey I think I just want to say super crip super cripy says

funny how the poll doesn't have the option that Iran has already won well I don't think that's an accurate description they got us right where we want them or they want us Yeah. In what way does Iran win this? Like what would have to happen? Like we they just kick us out or not kick us out, but stop us from doing anything to them and they just do

whatever they want moving forward. It's Afghanistan, whatever Afghanistan did to Russia or the Soviet Union in America. You put just a boondoggle where you just I don't think dry. Yeah, but I don't think Iran is Afghanistan. I don't think culturally. I don't think governmentally. I don't think Iran's playbook plays out. I'm saying, like, I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree with you. That would be a description of victory for Iran. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. But it's certainly not something that you could declare after six weeks. Yeah. They like to. Um, all right. So back to the other frustrating thing, uh, this UFO thing. So I'm, I'm actually going to have a former admiral on, uh, the Will Kane show today at four o'clock Eastern time on Fox. And, um,

Do you guys know there's been something like 17 earthquakes around shallow earthquakes around Area 51 in the past month or two? Just engines were starting? A lot of questions about. It's like a NASCAR race. What's happened in there? What's happening there under the ground? I believe this Admiral also says we have definitely made contact with aliens.

They are living here amongst us. So back to this sort of viral thing that's happening on X where these past, pastors are saying they've met with high-level, what do you make in faces about, Patrick? Do you not want to do this? No, no, no, no, Area 51 is a red herring. I'm just saying. It's a black site, that's all. It doesn't discount the alien talk.

I've seen Indiana Jones. They hold an alien secrets there. I'm just saying. A black site for developing technology, but that technology could have been informed by captured alien spacecraft. Yeah, easily, yeah. Reverse engineering. To all the money goes.

So these pastors are saying that high-level people within the intelligence and government community have met with them to discuss what will happen to the American people and their foundational belief in God if it is revealed to them through disclosure that, in fact, there are aliens. We have met with him. I think set aside the validity of this, which, by the way, I think is total crap. I don't think it's real whatsoever. I do think that would be a fascinating discussion. Like what would happen to people, to the American public psyche, to their faith, to their belief in so many things if it were confirmed that were, possibly. I think that's what I'm saying. I think it's fascinating. I have no idea. I have no idea the effect it would have on people.

And I've made the joke before, but I'm not sure it's completely unfounded that we might just move on in 12 hours. Like the new cycle moves on. But like, you would think if that were disclosed, if that was. If that were disclosed, would you guess that's the only thing we talk about for the next couple years? Like, when you think, or forever, forever. That's the only news that matters. Not just online. Like, I go on the train every day.

Would I talk, I feel like I would talk to that with strangers around me. That's how crazy it would be. Like, how would you go on with life? Exactly. I don't understand. Like, it would be insane. It would shake the foundation of everything we've ever known as humans. But part of this isn't just about...

But is there a little piece of you that... Is there a little piece of you that thinks, but I've got to see who is going to emerge as the starting cornerback for the Jacksonville Jaguars? Like, is there a little piece of you that will move on? How much of your attention moves on and how quickly? Is Aaron Judge going to break the home run record again this year?

I don't know. But aliens are real. It's more the question. is more than that though because it's not just about like do aliens exist but it's like did aliens create us and if it's if aliens allegedly create us and that's part of the disclosure then then that's foundationally like goes into everything yeah and and first round by in the chat just absolutely it's weird timing that this movie disclosure day is coming out by the way um is it what about if part of the disclosure was also that aliens are amongst us they're here and aliens are amongst us

Well, that's the most likely. Can you imagine everybody already, everybody already calls everybody else a Fed, you know, like online. Any opinion you have, you're a Fed. Now it's going to be you're an alien. Everybody is, and by the way, it's like COVID. You'd walk around wondering who was sick. You'd walk around wondering if that person you're talking to is a reptile, a reptile alien. Your girlfriend, your wife, your husband, your own pastor, I don't know.

God, the possibilities are wild Or it's just something we can't even make up in our own heads That it's just so out there But then with the religious thing You could say, say aliens are real And we all see it, we all believe it You could say, well, who created them? So that could have it

Put God back in there What's what I'm saying is like Like I'm just thinking Buy into the belief that God created everyone Or did aliens create us? Right But who created the aliens Right

Right. I think that the end result of it would be not future enlightenment. It would be future insanity. Like, we would believe nothing anymore. We would look back on everything we've ever been told and doubt it and consider it to be a cover. We would look at opinions and not trust that their authentic opinions without an agenda coming from an alien species. we would, I'm not dismissing what you said, Patrick. I mean, I think that the religious understanding of who we are as a people would be totally thrown into question. I'm not saying, because I do think some people would become more religious. I think some would become less. I think it would just create chaos psychologically, chaos philosophically, chaos logically, chaos logically, chaos logically, chaos logically, chaos, logically, chaos interpersonally.

like if I think about everyone involved in Will King country like you Patrick and Scott King over here are my top two candidates for aliens like you're probably like if I'm thinking well what if they said yeah one in 10 one and 10 like you know they would never tell us like how much aliens are a part of our world but that's just me looking at you guys who knows Maybe they'd say that the aliens are super, I don't know, what? Maybe it's you. You're the TV host.

That's the other thing. Like, that's like, maybe it's me. Yeah. Maybe it's me. It could be Will Cain is the alien. Like, what form would the aliens take as humans anyway? What would they do? Like, they'd want a large audience, I'm just saying.

And they'd also want to, like, give people away from disclosure. Yeah, exactly. Hey, I don't believe this alien. B. Guys. Yeah, you're spreading the disinformation about maybe they're not real, but you are one. Like Patrick, like, baked into my presumption is sort of like the men in black thing. Like, you remember when that alien takes over Vincent Dinoffrio and he's kind of awkward in his

human body and doesn't know completely how to interact with other humans? That's my image. So, Patrick, you're probably an alien, you know? Like, doesn't just on a different wavelength than the rest of the humans. But that might not, that's a dumb assumption. Maybe they've mastered, obviously, if they got here, they've mastered human communication. I mean, Elon's the leader, let's be honest. He's the on earth.

No, you're leaning on the idea that an alien wouldn't have, that you're giving it, like, an alien's going to be a genius, but he's not going to be, he's not going to get the intricacies of human interaction in terms of like how Elon is. Maybe the alien is like they're really good at it, right? They're really good at being a human, which stands to reason if they're really good at traveling across space, they've got some good actors amongst them, right? Yeah, sure. So. Are there bad ones and good ones? Yeah, Elon and I are just like the best the humanity has, really, and that's why we're

different. I mean, aliens would have blended in better. The only question. Like Gavin. Like Gavin Newsom is super slick and polished. That's a, he's like a men and black alien. He like, Yeah.

Exactly. He like takes all, it opens his head and there's a little guy like controlling Gavin Newsom in his head. That's that. The real question is, is Trump going to let them be American? I don't know. No. Get him out of here. But the Democrats will because of birthright citizenship.

Yeah. Maybe they're here before us. They're more Native American than Native American. The Democrats are going to try to convert these guys into voters. Yeah. No doubt. We got a whole new voting palette. Yeah.

And they're going to start pitting. them against other people, like, and they're going to talk about identity politics through alienism, and they're going to start talking about, like, you know, who has human privilege and they're going to, I mean, they're going to establish human guilt. Now we're going to have human guilt about things. There's going to be a whole new political party, the alien party, and that's going to split into two different parties. Go ahead, Patrick.

So first round by says J.D. Vance and others have been calling them demons, which I don't understand, is it actually there's a belief, especially among religious folks, growing, that aliens and demons are interchangeable. And I was actually watching an episode of Agent aliens years ago, probably like a decade ago. And they were talking about how, you know, people view demons and they were actually aliens. Then my brother came home from a youth group and they were talking about aliens and it was actually the inverse the guy who led the youth group

was saying that aliens are actually just demons and so it's actually funny how Yeah, it's a chicken and egg thing Yeah, it's a chicken and egg thing and almost a semantic thing You know what I mean? Like, what is a demon? What is an alien?

That's, that's going to be a, I'm sure it would be a philosophical talking point. I almost used the affirmative. it's going to be like we're going to get this disclosed which by the way to take this that was a go ahead Dan Connor told us not to be spaces by the way from that conversation

don't be spacist yeah see here we go yeah this is exactly how it's going to go just dividing the group yeah this is a fun conversation I will say I think it's total BS there's no way anybody at high

levels of government would pull a bunch of pastors in to have this conversation prior to disclosure maybe one. They might pull one in, you know, like Franklin Graham or something gets to come in. They'd be like, hey, we've got to cross this bridge. You got to keep it super tight.

They're not going to bring a group of them into an Airbnb somewhere and say, hey, boys, we just want to have a little, you know, get together. Think the billioners know. I think Bezos knows. I don't know. I doubt Bezos knows.

If Bezos knows, why would he be spending so much money to have space trips for Gail King up just above the stratosphere. Like, why would he be doing that? Trying to get us out of here. Why is that a good use of his money? Trying to figure out of his out of here.

One would think he, if he knows he has access to better technology, then even what he's been able to do in the short time frame, he's done with Blue Origin. See? I think it's all nonsense. But Cash Patel says there's a disclosure coming. Oh, actually, actually, breaking news. I'm not going to hold my breath. They allegedly just transferred the first.

documents, some of the first documents on the UFO files, I guess. But they're going to be BS. Yeah. They're going to be like some other files we know about. Yeah. This is all going to play out like the Epstein thing. Exactly. That's exactly how this is going to play out.

And it's going to play out that way in almost the exact same fashion. Meaning the, what I think is happening is I think people of some level of influence have figured out this conversation and acting like you're in the know on something is a quick path to a platform and to fame at some level. And like bringing influencers in to give them a binder on the Epstein files, I do think that will come back to bite you. You know, people are saying that's what Pam Bondi's one of her biggest sins are. She overhyped something that she could not deliver on. And they're all doing this now and they're overhyping. They're going to have to deliver on this because I don't think it's I'm done with I have been told by people in the

know something that I cannot share with you but it's big I'm just done with that so if you don't have more to offer I don't I'm not interested if you don't have something real to offer I'm tired of that and so you know and I'm going to say something like with the Epstein files here's the truth the Epstein files was made into something bigger than it probably is That is not to say there is nothing there to the Epstein files, but it is not as salacious or interesting or big as people want it to be. And so what happened is the whole story was oversold and weaponized by both parties against one another. And ultimately, it can never deliver. It does leave a lot of people out there going, they're still hiding something from us.

And that something may be, that may be true, but that something is way smaller than everything has been turned into. And that same thing is happening with the UFO thing. You have political players who are using it to their own advantage, not going to deliver on it. And there may be a truth there that's, you know, this admiral I'm going to have today. He's, his big thing is the UAPs that are going into the ocean that go in and out of the ocean, don't seem to vary speed and that kind of thing. There may be something here that deserves a lot of disclosure, but it ain't going to be that Patrick is an alien. And they don't know what it is.

It's not going to be that big. Yeah. I think, I believe they see things and have video and know things that are crazy, but I don't think they know what they are specifically. I don't think they have the answer to everything. It was very well said for a guy who's not an alien. Yeah. Yeah, that sounded exactly like what an alien would say.

You. You. Like, you just made the case. That is. That was. Yeah. Yeah. that's going to be a new insult

that's that's going to be the thing you sound like an alien you sound we're going to by the way we'll have a different word it won't be alien we're going to come up with a word then we're going to debate whether or not it's a slur you know what I mean

that's going to be that's going to be part of this as well how very quick we don't call it like that you can't say this on TV you know that word we got a we got a What's the word UHUHI is what everyone's doing?

Unhuman entity? What is that? U.S.E. Unhuman entity, I think. Never heard that. Yeah. Never heard it. That's going to be so fun, guys.

There's some slur out there that we don't even know yet that's coming, and it's going to offend a lot of people. Isn't that fun to think that's down the road? Or non-earther. It's not down the road. We're going to make it up on the show. We're going to be the ones championing it. Yeah, let's start brainstormers.

Let's have a meeting. Like there's somebody that wants to be offended even by what I said. Will is so excited to have access to a new slur. But if you really think about this, is it a slur? Is it a slur if you don't even know it's a slur? Right? Like, can you be offended by something that has not yet offended you? Yes is the answer.

Think about that for a minute. Is that a you thing or is that a, like if you were prepared to be offended by somebody, on something that you don't yet know how to be offended by, I think that's a you thing. I don't think that's a me thing. If you think Will is like, oh, the slur thing, you can't even envision the slur yet, I think that's a you thing.

You might be addicted to the concept of slurs and offense. That's kind of interesting. There's going to be good ones. We know that. People are creative. All right. That's the highs and the lows, victory in Iran and aliens amongst us here today on Will King Country.

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