Will Cain Country - Hidden Costs Of Mass Immigration They Won't Tell You (ft. David Pollock)

Episode Date: March 11, 2026

What does it take to stay grounded after spending a lifetime in the spotlight? Former NFL Player and Author of 'Every Day Counts,' David Pollack joins Will to explore the intersection of discipline and faith, offering practical advice on avoiding modern distractions and healthy strategies for raising the next generation of athletes.Plus, Will and The Crew dive into the "rabbit hole" of mass immigration, questioning why the U.S. maintains open borders while the rest of the world moves toward strict exclusion.Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠⁠)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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What's the benefit? What's the cost falling down the rabbit hole with Will? Plus, the author of Everyday Counts, my friend, former NFL player, former colleague at ESPN, David Pollock. It is Will Kane Country streaming live at the Will Kane Country YouTube channel, the Willcane Facebook page, the Fox News Facebook page. Terrestrial radio, but always here by following us at Spotify or on Apple. As is the case with Wilkane Country, this is the place where we come together to work out thoughts, where I fall down the rabbit hole, where I share with you some of the things I'm researching and thinking about. And later in this program today, I want to talk about a little bit of the rabbit hole I've fallen into. Paying attention to what happening in Austria, in Germany, in Sweden, when it comes to mass migration,

and a debate that is absolutely raging online after Congressman Andy Ogle of Tennessee suggests that America is not a pluralistic society, that diversity makes us weaker. A real conversation about what it means to have your borders wide open, to have your immigration policy sitting there with open arms, El Pluribus Unum, versus the migration policies of the entire. of the rest of the world. Can we be different while retaining who we are in America? Let's sort that out together. A little bit later here on Will Cain Country. I haven't spoken to him in a while, but he's a friend of mine, and he is a former colleague at ESPN. He's a former NFL player. He's also the author of a new book. It's entitled Every Day Counts. David Pollock now joins us. What's up, David? What up, Will, how you doing? Will, you've known me for a long time. So did you ever

think this big, dumb animal could write a book? Absolutely not. How hard was the process, Pollack? I think about it from time to time. Oh, I would like to write a book. Man, it is such an undertaking. Like, I don't know where you even begin. You know, here's the deal, Pollack.

One of your chapters is about discipline and everyday grinding and the power of routine. And I have to imagine that's how you approach writing a book. Like you got up every day and you said, here it is, half hour. first thing in the morning or last thing at night, you wrote. How'd you do it? How'd you write a book? Well, first of all, you could do it because you're smart enough to do it. So someone like me who's had a lot of shots to the head, it becomes a lot more difficult. I don't have the greatest focus in the world. So to me, it was about sitting down for a 20, 30 minute stretch, get up, go walk, go do, come back, sit down for 15 to 15 to 20 minutes. Same type of a thing. And,

You know, I was most interested in, like, anything we prioritize, right? Anything that we want to make a serious thing in our life. If we want to be fit and be in the gym, we've got to do it first thing in the morning. Like, you've got to do it early. I've got to be selfish in the morning so I can be selfless the rest of my day. And I've got to get my most important things done when the wheels are turning the most and firing the most. And then the next most productive window for me is, like you said, before bed. Like the brain goes, it races, where's my notepad?

Well, how can I write down? What's important? So you definitely learn like your zones and where you focus the most. But that seems to come naturally to you, Pollock. I mean, you've written about it in this book, Everyday Counts. And I'm looking at you, and I haven't seen you in a while, and just looking at you besides your finely groomed goatee. You clearly haven't eaten a piece of candy.

you clearly are eating right. Like discipline, look at your gleaming white teeth, your finely sculpted face. You're just grinding away on discipline. Well, it's either a part of your life or it's not, right? I haven't had a sweet in 25 years. Like, that's not an option for me. Here's another thing too, Will.

Like, God did not give me the discernment of moderation. Not my thing. So I can't just have a little, or else I'm going to go off a deep end, hence why I don't drink alcohol, why I don't gamble. It's not going to go well. It's the same thing with eating and stuff too. But like, you know, my routine in the morning is the same every morning. It just depends on what I have going on that day.

So if I have something at seven, then I'm going to get up at, you know, 430 to get my two and a half hours in, of which my routine is. You know, so I think you figure out what works for you. You figure out what's important to you. And then it's amazing. When we prioritize what it's important to us, we take those steps and we start to get better in whatever field that is. In this book, Everyday Counts, you take us through a lot of the stories in your life that kind of led you to this, to how you live your life today. And I think it's fair to say this is not how you always were, right? I mean, this is even perhaps as a player, when not at the high school or collegiate level, this wasn't really always who you were as a player.

Now, I think you learn, you know, as you get older, we get more mature and we learn ourselves. And I think you kind of look back and you go, oh, crud. That's what, like at Georgia. So I go to Georgia, I go to Georgia as a fullback. I moved the defensive tackle when everybody got hurt in camp. And I'll never forget, Will, they're telling me all these things to work on. And this is where everyday counts comes from. Like, they're telling me as a defensive lineman, get off the ball fast with a short first step, stay low, use your hands, all this stuff.

like, bro, I can't do all of that at one time. And I'll never forget. I looked at my GA and I'm like, hey, I'm just going to get off the ball fast with a short first step and whatever happens, happens. And so, like, I didn't have the capacity to learn all the things at one time. And I think, you know, how do you climb a mountain? It's one step at a time. And for me, I had to take things in a small way, small goals. I did it when I started television. It's the same way. I didn't realize what I was doing. But as you get older, you're like, oh, that makes me. sense. And as you start to have children, you start to teach your children. You're like, okay, this is kind of what I use to be successful. And it wasn't about the big picture. Right.

I think so many people get inundated with, and to me, it's the windshield mentality. Like, if we're always looking forward, like, that's not a good way to live to me. Like, if we're looking in the rear view mirror and we're always looking backwards, that's not where we want to be. We want to be in the present. And that means like when I lay my head on the pillow, did I accomplish the things I wanted to? Like we all have those dreams, but we got to take those small steps every day, and then we start to accomplish those big dreams down the road. Let me talk to you about when an interesting part of the book,

you talk about being called selfish. And the reason it's of interest to me is that, you know, to the extent that you and I have been together and I've gotten to know you, that's not a word that would pop up, you know, at the top of my list of descriptors of David Popper. Now, I haven't known you your entire life. Maybe there's various times when that might have been more accurate. But Marvin Lewis, hold out for you, described you as selfish.

Yeah. Those kind of words hurt, you know, like especially when you're, it's kind of hard. So I got drafted by the Cincinnati Bengals and, you know, you want to go play. You got drafted to be a football player. I'll never forget. I had the Bengals players calling me and be like, listen, man, this is what's going to happen. You're going to hold out because they're not going to offer you a fair deal.

He was like, that's not how they do business. And I was like, what? He was like, we're not going to be mad at you. This is a business. You've got to make sure you get your business done. Well, at one point, I'm the 17th pick in the draft. The 16th Pith had signed and the 18th pick had signed. And you're like, okay, let's go right in the middle, guys.

That seems like common sense, right? Will, like, we can get this done. And when the organization is offering you less than the 18th, pick, you're like, wait a minute, this isn't fair. Like, this is not, this is not how this works. Like, right? Shouldn't we be somewhere in the middle? And then, you know, the coach's job is to push the buttons to get you in. And now you're three weeks into a holdout and you're being called selfish, man. It stinks because everything in you wants to go play, but there's a business side of it. So yeah, I mean, listen, I'll be honest. Like, I've been, I've been selfish and I've been arrogant a large part of my life.

like if I'm just being honest, like I've had that. And I still do, man. You have kids will and you're like, gosh, now I see it. Right, like now I get it, man. Like I get a kick out of people. Me and my wife used to say all the time, we're so busy. And then you have kids and you're like, what on earth was I talking about? I wasn't busy.

I was busy with watching shows and different things. And so, you know, selfish is definitely a word that I've been called and I've been guilty of as well. Well, I think you also tell the story of when you were in high school. And you got a wake-up call and, you know, you got to see yourself on film and what that meant for you is sort of a wake-up call. Yeah, my high school coach, man, he had just taken the job. And I am a kid that's offered by Ohio State in Florida and Georgia and Clemson and all these schools. And he walks in and he's like, hey, good to meet you, blah, blah, blah. And then he was like, hey, love to sit down with you, watch some tape.

I'm like, cool. Like, you know, let's do this. he pulls me in his office and he sits down and he's like, hey, man, if we're going to go win a state championship, it would be great. I need you to work harder. And I literally, speaking of being selfish, I'm like, I'm the best player on your team. Like as a 17 year old kid, that's what's going on in your head. Like I got offers like, and he put on the tape, man, and I'll never forget. And he showed me some clips and I was like, son of a gun.

Like, he was like, you got to run to the football with effort consistently. And he was absolutely right. And it was the first person that really. like called me out, slapped me in the face. And, and listen, I tell parents this all the time, because I'm in coaching. I don't know why I will, but that was the moment I was supposed to get it, and it clicked for me. It's not always going to happen. We all have good intentions of sitting down with people and trying to help them see things that they don't see yet. And but in that moment with a new coach introducing himself and showing me like, hey, you've got to do better.

And he came from college football and I was like, man, okay, this guy, you know, he's got some clout. And the way he said it challenged me. And it changed. And it changed. And it changed. changed me. It made me, it made me work harder in practice and I finally realized like, oh my gosh, he was right. I wasn't doing it like I should have and it made me a better man. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with former NFL football player. Former colleague of mine at ESPN, but the author of Everyday Counts, David Pollock on Will Kane Country. This is Ainsley Earhart. Thank you for joining me for the 52 episode podcast series, The Life of Jesus. A listening experience that will provide hope, comfort, and understanding of the greatest story ever told.

and follow now at foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with former Georgia Bulldog, Cincinnati Bingle, the author of Everyday Counts, David Pollock. You know, it's interesting you talk about that you're in coaching now. You love sports. I love sports. Sports has been a part of your profession. It's been at times a part of my profession.

You know, you now in coaching, David, I'm sure you're getting a front row seat to something that I feel like I've seen through my kids and also just living in America today. And that's how many parents are so invested in sports for their children. And I think one of the things about being at ESPN and then a little bit in playing water polo at Pepperdine is I got to see the various levels of athleticism. I got to see the difference between a Division I athlete and a high school athlete. And then, you know, at ESPN being around you guys doing something different, not playing your sport, but you're talking about yet another level of extreme rarity. the level of athlete that actually makes it to the NFL. We love to lionize and talk about the stories of guys who seem like every men like Tom Brady,

who grinded it out, sixth round pick, beat higher drafted guys, beat presumably more athletic guys. But if we're being honest, Tom Brady at every level of his life was a special athlete on the field compared to, you know, the mass population of Americans out there thinking their kids going to play college football, or thinking their kids going to play college, you know, soccer or whatever it may be. And I just wonder, and out you have this exposure in this first-round seat, like, your thoughts on how many people out there are living delusionally about their kids in sports? A lot. And I understand why.

Because here's the thing, Will, when you're around your kid all the time, you see the best parts of them when it comes to sport. And you're like, okay, wait a minute. I see the potential. But here's the thing. So does every other parent. Every other parent sees the same potential and the same glimmers of greatness. But here's the thing, man, Youth League Sports is out of control. But let me just boil this down really clip quickly for all these parents. When you're young, aggressiveness wins.

Point blank. The most aggressive kid is going to win. When you're in middle school, the kid who's got hair under his arms that's hit puberty is going to win because they're becoming a grown man already. When you're in high school and beyond, genetics wins. I can usually look at mama and I can usually look at daddy. Like there are elements of I can learn to work. Perfect example, Will.

My son is a junior in high school. He had zero offers for anything. In June, or in June, he went to a camp. He was 6.1. He was 191 pounds. His vertical was 32 and his broad jump was like 9.5. Nothing special. My man literally grew to 6'3.

in six months. He's 225. He vertical 36 and he broad jumped 10. Hence scholarship offers start coming in. Like it's just very simple, man. The measurables are going to be what they're going to be. And that's what they're really, you know, looking for to start with at a high level. So I think parents get, parents, your job is not to raise an athlete. Your job is to raise an adult, right? And in an adult, the cleats are going to be hung up and just, I would encourage. encourage them just to have fun and not make it monotonous. You're way more inclined to turn them off than you are to turn them on, like way more inclined. And I think we do that a lot in society, man, with this stuff. And we just do too much. And they're like, dude, this stinks. I don't even want to do

this anymore. That is 100% accurate and true. And then you layer on top of that that 100% of those athletes will have to become adults. A very, very, very small percentage of them will make enough money in the interim that they actually might be financially set once they have to face adulthood without being an athlete. But even among those, how many will manage that wealth or that income over that period of before they reach adulthood that it actually sustains or maintains their life. I mean, I just saw the story that O'Dell Beckham Jr. has filed for bankruptcy, and he made well over $100 million throughout his career. So it's like we spend all of this energy raising athletes to your point and never making them adults. Yeah. And that's our job. And like, you know, it's interesting

because what you're going to have to do though, Will, you're going to have to look different because the world is going to raise athletes. The world is going to do travel ball, Paloza. The world is going to be, you know, that's what they're going to chase and to do. And, you know, it's just like with us, man, like we have missed, like last year, I'll never forget my baby girl does, you know, travel ball on a national level, whatever you want to do with that. I was told the coach, he's like, hey, we got to be there. He's like, you've got to be there at the tournament at 10 o'clock.

It was a Sunday. I was like, coach, we'll be at church and then we'll come. And he was like, well, what do you mean? I was like, I don't care if you venture. I don't care. Like, we're going to church as a family. Like church is more important. I tell my kids all the time that God is more important than sport.

So I have to show them. Like I can't now go to basketball every weekend or go to football every weekend or go to softball, whatever that looks like every weekend. And so the world is going to tell you you've got to go do, do, do busy, busy, busy, work, work, work. And I think you can set the things that are important for your family and you don't have to compromise. No for my producers that the female viewership is enjoying the appearance today of David Pollock here on Will King Country. If you want, you can catch David more often at C-ball, Kipball on his podcast.

Here's some notes from the viewers. Still carried away, says, I have always loved David Pollock and miss his commentary during college football. And then Lauren Fulford says, damn good dog. Remember listening to him on 790 the Zone here in Atlanta back in the day. So very popular out there, David. Thank you. Thank you. Some Georgia fans.

I like that. So you bring up the importance of taking your kids to church over showing up for the tournament. I know that you've written about in this book that moment for you. I know that about you. I think many people have listened to you and know the importance of your faith. But when did that start? When did that start in your life? It started as a senior in high school.

Never grew up one time going to church, never knew anything about it. The family never did it. And two things, two big events happen in my life. One, my neighbor across the street, he was like, hey man, we're having this locking at the church. Do you want to come? I was like, what is that? And he goes, you go to the church and they lock you in.

You spend the night. I'm like, no, why would I want to do that? And he was like, well, you get to stay up all night and play sports. I'm like, oh, okay, I'm in. And so that was the first step for me. And then I had a teacher named Mark Watson in a public school. And man, the dude was just different.

And he had a Jesus sticker fish on his computer. And I was like, you know, this dude's different, man. Like he just, he was so calm and so cool and so easy going and just something about his life was different. And that really led me to picking up a Bible and to reading for the first time and end up meeting with Mark Watson, that teacher. And I'm like, hey, I don't know anything about this.

Can you help me go through it? And he was like, absolutely. So we started to go through it. And I started to read about Jesus for the first time in my life and all the things, about his life and his lifestyle and the people that spent time with him. I'm like, man, this is crazy. Like, I've never known anything about it. And then that's when my fate started to really to take off.

And then I got to go to the University of Georgia with Coach Rick, who helped me grow as a man. And obviously the FCAAs and the team chaplains and all the stuff, they come beside you. And it really helped my faith journey to get off on the start on the right foot. So how close was it for you to go somewhere else? You thought about Florida. You mentioned Ohio State was recruiting you.

But who did it come down to? Florida and who else besides Georgia? Ohio State, Clemson were the other ones. But nobody knows this. But like the biggest difference, there was one big difference between Georgia and everyone else. And it wasn't winning. It was Babadol.

It was Lindsey Pollock, who was Lindsay Hopkins at that point, was down the road 45 minutes. And wherever Babadol was, I was going to be close. So she was two years younger than me, and she was still going to be in high school. So I was like, man, Because everybody asked me all the time, like, did you grow up a Georgia fan? I was like, I was born in New Brunswick, New Jersey.

Like, my daddy always growing up, he was like, you're going to be a scarlet night. And I'm like, what is a scarlet night? He was like, Rutgers. He's like, we're going to go to Rutgers and wrestle. I'm like, and I'm six years old. When I moved to the south, I was four. And when I'm six, seven, eight, I'm like, no, I'm not. Like, absolutely I'm not, dad.

But the other schools were great schools, but they didn't have the proximity to Lindsay Pollock. So your dad was brainwashed. you to go to Rutgers, even while you were living in Georgia, because he was a New Jersey guy, and you were like, no, no, I'm not being a Scarlet Night. No, I visited Ohio State as a senior in high school, and I'll never forget, man. The plane lands, and I'll go, Mama, what's that white stuff on the ground? And she was like, you live here, you're going to get a lot of that. I'm like, uh-uh, no, thank you.

Okay, so stick with the South, go to Georgia. Clemson's not that far away, by the way. I think it's like an hour and a half drive, right, actually? From Clemson to Georgia. But that hour and a half mattered for your high school girlfriend who became your wife. Well, I mean, I was 45 or 50 from Georgia. And then it's another hour and a half, Will. So, I mean, that's so far, man.

Come on. Yeah, right. That's so far. Okay, whatever takes you become a Georgia Bulldog. That conversation we were having, David, about, okay, you got to raise adults. You can't just raise adults. athletes. You know, I think that whenever I talk, I have a nephew, by the way, that does play at Clemson, and he's really good. And I have, you know, other people in my life that I know,

have known who are really good at football or other sports. And one of the things I do share with them, and this is really a lesson that I got working at ESPN is that thing that we're hinting at is that it does come to an end. And then there is this reinvention period that's difficult. It's difficult for even the best of guys. And you know, you and I have probably talked about this. I know I've talked about it on air. It's akin to the military, like a lot of guys who are Navy SEALs or Army Rangers. And then it comes to an end.

It's like, okay, what do I do now? Because that defined who I am for so long. You know, and so then there's that moment for you when it's over as well. And I think it's interesting that also, by the way, TV came to an end. So you've dealt with the end of some things. and I'm curious how you navigate at the end. I think that it's always how you look at it. And, you know, one of my sayings that I've had since I was in college,

it was don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened. And I think just like football came to an end and football was what I worked for since I was four years old and since I was six I would tell anybody I wanted to play in the NFL. Like it was over. I was like, man, I can't wait for what's next. Like, because this was awesome. This was fantastic. game day. I got to go travel the country and and go to the best venues and I got to talk about

sports. Like that's amazing. I can't wait for what's next. You know, so I think that, you know, if we can keep an attitude, man, like the art of the possible. That's what I've started to realize, man, because I didn't think I'd write a book. Like, I didn't think I'd want to speak across the country. I love doing that. And it's so much fun. And it's not something I knew I was going to do. But I feel like TV has really prepared me for speaking and sharing my story and my story and my struggles and my not my successes, but how I've handled my struggles. And so I think it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when, when that storm comes in your life, because it's coming. And all of us that have lived long enough know that. Like,

how are we going to be prepared to help it, man? And to get it 22 years old and to have your dream taken away and you have to reinvent yourself, like, it was awesome. It was one of the best things that ever happened in my life because I became a better husband. I became a better dad, I became a better son, a better friend. Like, you only get those experiences. When you, when you go through something hard, you really learn what it feels like. And then you have empathy. And you have the ability to relate to other folks who are going through similar type stuff. But I think, how do you, how does your mindset go? It's the get to versus have to, right? Can we get to the point where everything that happens, man, I'm not worried about what happens.

I'm worried about my response. Like, we're already here. So now how do I respond? And I think, I think as you go through some tough things in your life, you realize, like, I'm stronger than I think, and I'm built to handle this. What is that storm? What was that storm? What's the biggest struggle that you had to overcome? Well, probably my wife a year ago tomorrow is the anniversary of her craniotomy, of her surgery. She got diagnosed with brain cancer. And I think that one will was probably the hardest for me because, you know, me getting fired from E. And by the way, that would tick my mama off because she's like, you didn't get fired. She got let go. I'm like, Mom, they told me not to come back.

Like whatever you want to say, Mama. They locked the door and said, you're not welcome. But she got diagnosed with that with brain cancer. And I think the neck was me. The firing was me. And so I think it was easier to handle. But when your baby doll, the love of your life is going through something like that, it's, I wanted to fix it. First of all, I wanted to take it, right?

Like, I wish it was me. that would have been great, but to learn how to struggle and to learn how to go through something really, really hard that's not yours. And I feel like God was like, hey, listen, dude, like, she's mine before she's yours. And, you know, instead of wrestling and fighting and struggling with God and dislocating a hip and breaking a hand and stuff, because you're not going to, you're not going to change the scenario, just kind of learning how to let go and let God. I think that was probably the most difficult. It was the most recent, too, but I'm thankful to have so many friends and family in our lives that have come in and supported us and helped us get through it because

it's a totally different animal, man, when you've got so many folks that are going to come in and fight with you. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with former NFL football player. Former colleague of mine at ESPN, but the author of Everyday Counts, David Pollock on Will Kane Country. The moment you've been waiting for is here. GMC's truck month is on. a limited time, get 0% financing for 72 months on the 2026 GMC Sierra 1500 crew cab pro graphite. Feel the strength of GMC Sierra's 5.3-liter V8 engine. Elevate your confidence with a factory 2-inch lift and off-road suspension. Ready for whatever lies ahead.

Power, capability, confidence, all at 0% during GMC's truck month. Don't wait. Visit your local GMC dealer today and make it yours. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with former Georgia Bulldog, Cincinnati Bingle, the author of everyday counts, David Pollack. Yeah. And I think in one sense what you're talking about is one of the hardest things for all men,

and that is control. You know, it's almost easier to take responsibility for our own failures or our own catastrophes because there is some element of control. That's the power of responsibility. And I do think we live in a time when everybody tries to shirk responsibility. To me, I've always found responsibility enabling. It's like, it's my fault. Well, if it's my fault, then I have some control over fixing it.

I can get some control over how I respond. I can get some control over the next time. But when it's not me, you know, listening to you talk, my answer would probably be some things that have happened to my kids. That's when it's the hardest because of my limited ability to control what's what the outcome is or the lesson from it. And we don't, we don't control. And a lot of people that have anxiety and worry. and all these different feelings and emotions, man, in the end, we don't control it.

So how much time are we willing, how much time and energy are we willing to waste on it? Because that's what it can be. It can be a waste of time, a waste of energy. And that's the everyday counts. That's kind of how it started in my life. And that mantra is, like, I control today. So make the next right move, right? Like, don't worry about tonight.

Right. Don't worry about, and my wife, it drives my wife crazy because, you know, like, If I'm leaving town the next day, she's like, what time's your flight tomorrow? I was like, baby, I have no clue. I'll look at it tonight before I go to bed. And she's like ticking because she wants to, I have to know. I have to, it doesn't change anything. And so I think it's a hard thing to understand, but I think it can be freeing.

And you can understand that like worrying the great Van Wilder, right? Waring's like a rocking chair. It'll give you something to do, but it don't get you nowhere. Once we start to figure some of those things out, like we can relinquish control. And it's a freeing way to live. Right? I'm not in control of all this, and it's not going to be predicated on every single little step that I make. Hey, what's the best moment on the field, David? If you have this golden moment in your memory, the one that makes you smile the most often, what is that moment playing football? There's two. One is winning an SEC championship for the first time in 30 years at the University of Georgia.

And I know that sounds weird because they win it every year now and they win natties. But, you know, we were kind of part of that turning it around. So that was just so huge in 2002. And then the play that will I get asked about this play 600 times a year in the South. And people say I remember where I was. There's a play against South Carolina where the quarterback rolls out the pass. And I just try to knock the ball down. And when I try to knock it down, I hit the quarterback's like arm right here.

And as it, as I hit it, I was just. trying to knock the ball down. The ball kind of comes down his arm or his shoulder midsection. And I just grab it. And I was in the end zone. And so it was a touchdown. And we ended up winning that game, uh, 13 to six against South Carolina. But, um, that play, I got to go to the ESP's, which was so weird and talk about putting lipstick on a pig because me on the red carpet, just, I'm a defensive lineman. Like that's, that's like Herb Street when I started at game day. He was like, kid, we got to work on your like your, you're out ensemble. He was like, why aren't you can't wear sneakers. And I'm like, Kirk, I'm a defensive lineman. Like my hand goes in the mud. That's what I am.

And so, but that individual play was definitely a play that everyone always brings up when I, when I get to see him and talk to him. Here over on Facebook, David, is Jenny Cote. Jenny Cote says, Go dogs. Our son grew up with a picture of you and David Green praying before a game in his bedroom. Thank you for being an example to the next generation. That's pretty cool, David. Oh, thanks, Jenny. It's not me. It's he, but thank you very much for the kind words. Yeah, David is also an important person in your life, right?

David Green. Oh, yeah. Yeah, David was my – Greenie was my moral compass when I was younger, Will. I was the idiot that was like, hey, let's climb to the top of this and jump off. Like, let's do all the stupid things, plenty of energy. And Greenie was my age, grew up with him, and he would always be like, hey, P, let's think about this. And I went to college, you know, with him. and lived with him.

And he was, him and his parents, Rick and Kay, were a critical part of my journey and helping me and just everything, coaching, all the things. Well, in this book, Everyday Counts, David has written about his career, his life, and the lessons at various times that he's taken through this journey. From TV to football, his journey with faith as well, as he mentioned, his wife's health crisis. And from high school, college, to pro. awesome lessons from a guide that takes every day seriously

and present in every moment as you can hear right here. Discipline and present every day. You can also check them out at C-Ball-Gip-Ball. David, it's always good to talk to you, man. Glad to have you here today. Thank you. Will, great to catch up, Big Dog, thanks. Okay, there you go.

Take care. David Pollock. Check out every day counts. Back over on YouTube, Justin Posey 4255 says, Will, I love that you mentioned 42 in Dominoes yesterday. I love playing 42. Move from Waco to Huntsville, Alabama, and no one here knows what the heck it is.

Best Family Friendly game. I don't know if that is. It's my favorite game. I don't remember you talking about this yesterday. I don't either. Yeah. I don't remember either. Did I talk about it yesterday?

Maybe someone. I talked about just at some point. Maybe someone watched an episode from a while ago or something. I don't know. Thought it was yesterday. You guys want to know what it is? 42. Sure.

It's got a sister game called Moon. Okay. Have you ever played Spades? Yes. You ever played Spades? Okay. You ever played Hearts? Yes.

My grandma. 30 years ago. Okay. Spade, 42 is to Spades, what Moon is to hearts. Just instead of using cards, you use dominoes. and it's a little more complicated than the card version. The complicating factor is when you play spades, your trump card is always what?

Can't remember. A spade? Spade. Yeah, Dan, it's sort of intuitive by the name of the game. Shut it. I haven't played. Shut it. Spades.

Shut it. Yeah. Spades are always the Trump card, right? In 42, the domino, the, one who wins the bid gets to call the Trump. The Trump is a number. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Not whatever's on the domino, right?

Not seven, but one through six. And you get to call it. So it's a difficult mental exercise as you look at your hand and you say, if I win the highest bid, I'll get to call the Trump and this is how it goes. So you have to play as though you win when you bid and then when you don't, then you've got to adapt your whole hand to defensive measure. You have a partner just like in space. It's super fun.

I learned it in my 20s. It seems to be a game that was really popular around Texas A&M. Like Aggies play 42 a lot, and they go to the Dixie Chicken, and they play 42 or whatever. But it's kind of grown. I wonder if Casey Smith knows it. She might. I wonder if Casey does know 42. She's a big Aggie.

I think it's an age thing? Like is it been a better? has been around. That's another great question. I'll ask you right now. Maybe they now all go to the Dixie Chicken and play Clash of Clans or Clash Loyal. You've ever been at like a dinner party and everyone's kind of like in their cups a little bit and someone tries to bring out a game or like a card game and no one knows how to play and they try to explain it.

It is the biggest headache in the world and I hate that. Can we all just hang out? We don't have to play a game. It's okay. I don't have to learn something new. You're the nightmare guy. No, I'm not. It's, I'm a big, yeah, you are, because here's how it works.

Like, if somebody, I never say, let's play, unless I have a sense that there's a real appetite to play. And everyone knows it. That's the dance. That's the dance. Is everyone in the room truly into playing? Because all it takes is one stinker like you, Dan. One who is unwilling to learn. And, but don't pretend either, because then.

You stink as you play, and you've ruined it for everybody. Or you end up getting really good to be in everyone. Because the only way it's fun, that's great if you do that. I'm competitive, and competition is fun. Like, my wife is the opposite. She's like, just playing is fun. I'm like, no, it's not. Like, it's not fun if everybody's just playing.

What are you talking about? It only is fun if everybody's trying really hard to win, and now I can try really hard to win. And we can also talk while we do it. We can talk about this or that outside the game, but we need to have this central component at the table that everybody is invested in. And if it takes one stinker in the group like a Dan, this just like... My wife's competitive like you, like, we're the opposite. My wife's like, let's play a game. I want to beat somebody.

What do you want to do? Just chill and have a conversation, man. I'll throw a football. You just, okay, and then here's the other thing. So you want to sit around in the living room, chill and talk, right? which you can do over a game as well. You definitely can do. But do you feel like the conversation is often good?

Depends to you you're with. What percentage are you batting on good conversation? Me personally, I'm probably a 450 hitter. Meaning you're in control of the conversation or you're contributing to it? Contributing when I'm in a conversation. I'd say I've got a pretty good batting average. Do you know what would be fun If we all had a little dial above our head

And at any given time in a conversation You could see what someone's interest and investment On the TV level is in a conversation Like what's that called? Yeah I would be so true You go through this world You would be in trouble Patrick

We're all sitting around Having a few cocktails And somebody starts a conversation All of a sudden all the meters Go Or worse, or worse. You know, we never met the moon. Every time, you know, you've got a conversation that's doing this, right?

And so, like, multiple people are talking and it's getting high. And then one guy goes, oh, yeah. And then I thought about this angle. And everybody goes, you know, like, you're just a bad conversationalist. Or here's even worse, because I am a little bit of a conversational bully at times. I like to take the steering wheel. and I think that I guide it towards a good conversation. What if I'm totally wrong?

Every time I grab the steering wheel. It could be. Here we go. Like, man, Will's just a to toper and he loves to take control of the situation. It's so annoying. But I don't, I'm not, I'm not a volume guy. Do you understand what I mean by that? Like a lot of people. You ask questions.

Like to talk. A lot of people like to talk. And they gauge the quality of the conversation by the quantity of words they are saying. I'm not that. I will say that about myself, right? I mean, this is different because this is a show. But I like the ping pong of a conversation. Boom, boom, boom, boom.

Like, who's, you know, are we playing ping pong? And it really stinks when you're playing ping pong and somebody sets down the paddle and grabs the ball, you know, and holds it. It's like, whoa, whoa, we were playing ping pong here. So it happened to you a lot? I think I've ever experienced that. That people will do that? Yeah.

well not in literal ping pong but in conversational ping pong yeah conversational ping pong so you you thrive on it you love it that's why you're good at what you do that's why you have a tv show in this show you know it's but it's topic oriented it's got to be a good topic um you know but you're a curious person which i'm speaking of that sorry but yeah yeah i am curious and i do think this is a topic of some serious curiosity i'm serious now i don't have my thoughts solely so sorted out on this. But I've been thinking a lot about this immigration stuff. And I want to share some graphs and some stats with you on welfare and immigration and the way it's being handled currently in Austria and in possibly Germany and Sweden. And then just before show, fellas, right before, I said, hold on a minute. I want to know how they handle immigration in Turkey. So let's talk about the way the United States handles immigration compared to the rest of the world and ask ourselves, is this what sets us apart in a good way, or is it something that sets us apart and compromises the ultimate project of the United States when we come back on Wilcane

Country? Should Austria be more like Hungary? Should Hungary be more like Turkey? Should the United States be more like Sweden, Austria, hungry? When it comes to immigration, it is Wilcane Country. Streaming live with the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, Wilcane Facebook page, Spotify, and Apple. Okay. two a day stand, ten-foot-foot-pat. This is not a monologue. The truth is I'm trying to work out my thoughts on this.

Okay, I really am. Let's start with a couple premises. I think it's not just pom-pom-waving, red, white, and blue jingoism to say, the United States of America over the last 250 years is the greatest experiment in, the nation state in the history of the world. Don't you think that's fair? Like for 250 years, we have been the model. We have been the highest achiever. We have been the height of civilization. Is that fair? Or do you think there's some other better example out there that's done this better than us?

I don't think so. Well, the nation state is a newer concept really sent in the last, what, 280 years. So, you know, I'd say, we are the best. That's a through line that we have to maintain. Right. That's a through line we have to maintain, right, Patrick? Like, you want to go to monarchies before that. The monarchy is the precursor to the nation state.

I mean, you could, and then empires and things like that. But it's really a different, it's a totally different experiment. Those are different experiments than the nation state, which is about 250 years old. And one would argue that even if you broaden that horizon, what the United States did in pioneered was better than the monarchies and the empires in that it maximized freedom and prosperity for the citizenry of that given political entity. Right. So I think even if you expand it beyond the nation state, the average American has prospered

and lived under a greater amount of freedom than, say, the Greeks under Alexander the Great. Don't you think that's probably fair? Sure. I was thinking that's probably had such a lot. large middle class as well. You know, people were able to enjoy the prosperity. It wasn't just a select handful of elites. That's right.

Okay. So if that's the case, at a minimum were the greatest experiment in nation states for a quarter of a millennia and possibly throughout human history. Now, what makes us unique? Well, a whole host of things have made us absolutely unique. And I'm not going to, you know, go through that. We've talked about that. you know, I do think it has to do with a pioneer frontiersman spirit of the people that came to this country. I think that's super key from the pilgrims all the way to the Western Frontiersmen.

I do think it's a Protestant work ethic. It had like work as a key component of it. It was risk tolerance. It was Christianity. It was a lot of things. But there's something else that sets us apart from the rest of the nation state experiments. And that is we have been an open immigration society. compared to the rest of, I mean, there are others, but we're among a small handful that are open immigration societies.

The others historically are basically English settlement colonies. So Canada, Australia, the United States. Most of the rest of the world has not been in the past and is not today an open immigration society. Who's the most strict? Right? Oh, well, you know, so this morning I spent some time. I mean, you're talking about everybody now kind of operates under this different premise. So this morning I spent some time looking at Qatar, okay?

Just curious. Qatar is a really fascinating experiment because there are only 300,000 Qataris, but there's 3 million people in Qatar, however you say it, Qatar, Qatar, Qatar. They do not get at any point, essentially, the privileges of citizenship, not welfare, not nothing. right? And their residency can be revoked at any given moment, any given moment. That's one of the most strict in that they will bring in migrants, but this is the status of the migrant in that country. Turkey is a really interesting one for me because Turkey is a, Turkey is a real country. You know what I mean? Like it has a long history. It's the Ottoman Empire. It's

gone through both secularization and Islam influence. It's had real societal gains and advancements in terms of inventions and city building and so forth. Turkey is – Turkey is not Afghanistan, right? It was the Roman Empire. It was the last part. It's the most European. Yeah. So, Turkey's is pretty interesting, right?

So if you want to go to Turkey, this is just some of the things. And I got a lot of this from AI, so I think we should take a lot of it with a grain of salt. But it's usually needs to be employer-sponsored. That employer has to have five Turkish citizens hired for every one foreign employee. And they must be jobs that Turks cannot easily fill. That work permit is for one year, renewable for two and then three years. if you're there for eight years you can get permanent work authorization. But that doesn't mean you become a Turkish citizen, okay?

They do have this, and President Trump may have borrowed this from something like this. They do have this one workaround. They have what's called a golden passport. And foreigners can obtain Turkish citizenship if they buy $400,000 in real estate, invest half a million dollars in capital or government bonds, or create 50 jobs in Turkey. It's like the Trump one. then you get the golden passport. Yeah, well, what's interesting about that is they're, what are they measuring there? You could argue it's business like, but also investment in the country, right?

Like, you have made a serious investment in this country, 50 employees or half a million dollars. For long-term residency, this is what's required. After five years of continuous residence, they can apply for naturalization to be Turkish. You have to demonstrate integration. You have to speak Turkish, and you have to have no security concerns. And they offer preferential treatment to certain people, Bulgarians, Greeks, the Balkans, and Central Asia. Pretty interesting. Oh, they hate the Greeks.

Very, very, very strict that prioritizes essentially assimilation into Turkey, likelihood of success, and overall investment in the country. Now, I think a real quick thing somebody should think while they're listening to me is like, but Turkey's not better than the United States. We're basically better on every single metric, and you'd be right. And one could argue immigration has helped make us better, bringing in the best and the brightest and so forth. And I think you would have a very, very valid point. Most of the world, outside of those open immigration countries I mentioned a moment ago, are ethnocentric nation states. even the Europeans historically, right? We are a people. This is our land. Now this is our nation. And they define themselves as such. And their current immigration policies are in place working forward from that premise. Now, every step of the way, I think you could say, yeah, but we're better. Not morally. I'm not talking about morally. Like literally, we've produced a better society. So is immigration, open immigration been a part of that? Now, Europe has moved. in some very, very serious directions away from what they have been historically,

mass migration into Europe, right? We've all talked about that. From Turkey, by the way. Some of it from Turkey, like Germany, a lot of it from Turkey. You're seeing a swing back in the other direction now in Sweden, in Hungary, in Austria, where, and this is the way the critics always describe it. And this is what I find fascinating about it. Far right, this is the way it's described, far right, ethnic,

ethnocentric parties are beginning to win in Austria and Hungary and to some extent in Germany. And they are employing remigration. What is remigration? Remigration is the idea that you can seek voluntary deportation by offering money to people that moved in. So here's a hundred grand. I told you guys about the $100,000 this morning. I can't remember who that is. It's considering $100,000 for recent migrants to go back to where...

I think Sweden was like in the 30,000 range. I can't remember somebody was proposing to go to 100 grand, 100 euros, 100,000 euros for remigration. So this is how I went to house up together. I was reading articles about this morning, and I was reading a criticism of all these far-right movements in Europe. and I was reading an article from Al Jazeera, and it was describing these as ethnic, what do you call it, ethnic cleansing, white, racist. White washing? Why do you laugh?

No, I know. They're saying it in America. There was literally testimony this week by a guy from the Cato Institute going up against Senator John Kennedy saying that the Trump administration and American right is interested in ethnic cleansing. But here's what I find so fascinating about that charge. That's written from Al Jazeera in that particular article. Al Jazeera is from the Gulf states where they have those immigration policies I just described to you,

which are much, much more strict. So it seems asymmetrical. Does it not? That asymmetrical criticism. That's essential what they're saying. I guess. That's what they're saying. I guess.

Because of colonization probably. Now, well, okay, wait, but why is Europe looking to do this? Well, in part, because of what they've seen about the burden on the welfare state of mass migration and in immigration. So now let's come home to America. There's a ton of stats out there right now. Do we have that chart, guys? I don't know if we have that. I sent it to you.

But welfare levels of immigrants in America. I don't see the chart, Dan, if you have it. I don't see it's in my thing. I don't know if I pulled it. Well, it's 60%. I know it's top of my head. 60% of immigrant house, no, maybe it's illegal. 60% of illegal immigrant households are on welfare, right?

But you can expand it to legal immigrant as well, and I think it's above 50%. But here's where it gets fascinating. Second and third generation, you would presume that would get better. It doesn't. Only marginally better with the second generation. The third generation is almost at the same level as the immigrant on the number of people that are on welfare. And that's what they've seen in part in places like Sweden. So they've done the math.

Like what's the cost of three, four generations of welfare versus the cost of remigration? Like literally, what is the cost on the state to bring this burden in versus seek voluntary deportation? not to mention, of course, the cultural upheaval, right? The cultural upheaval, which in part creates a low-trust society. Yeah, if you don't have assimilation, and you create a low-trust society. Like, what does that look like? And so, you know, I think that it's here we are, you know, after what happened in New York this weekend, where the children of two naturalized citizens, one from Afghanistan, one from Turkey,

threw bombs at protesters in New York City and chanted or screamed and gave hand symbols that are affiliated with ISIS. You start asking about the success of our immigration policy in America. I think it is very fair every step of the way to say, but we are different than those European states. we are different than the Gulf states. We are different than Turkey. And that difference has been to our net benefit. And I would say you have a point. But isn't there a balancing?

Like at some point, that difference becomes not a positive, but it can become a negative. If what you're doing is creating a society like the one that these people essentially fled from. Right? Like if you're saying we're better because of this, we're better until we're not. We're better until we're the same. And that's the real struggle in the West. How do you retain who you are that made you better, which includes, by the way, some level of immigration. It's not completely, you know, nativist and shut down.

But at what level have you now become indistinguish? or you're on the path to being indistinguishable from the exact thing that made you better. And this is the conversation I don't think that we're having in America in a way that isn't shouted down as whatever, ethnocentric or racist or whatever. But I mean, I think in America, real quick, damn, one more thing. It wasn't always this way. It wasn't this way. When we had waves of immigration in the early 1900s, didn't we weigh a lot of the things that essentially were on that Turkish requirements? What's your likelihood of assimilation? What's your likelihood of success? What's your likelihood of not being on the government welfare system? All of these things. What's your contributing factor? It's only in the past 40? 40 years. I feel like that this has really changed. You can see the stats. In 1980, 6% of the population of Texas was foreign born. Today, 20%. Wild. And it's like that for almost every state.

I have that somewhere. You want to hear that real quick? Yeah. Go ahead, Dan. I'm going to pull that stat up. No, that's, I think, the point that the left misses is like they want everyone to just be here and have the American dream and have this opportunity. But with that opportunity comes some things you have to do as well. And I think they missed the point on that.

And, like, they would say diversity makes us better as a country. So, I mean, there's a divide in that kind of thinking. Okay, well, you know, Congressman Andy Ogles of Tennessee is in a lot of trouble from the left right now because he said diversity makes us weaker. See, you can't say that. But. And he's talking a lot about Muslims. Sure. But I would say, doesn't the whole thing matter on what amount of diversity?

Is it, is it? Ethno diversity? Is diversity, no, is diversity like creatine? Right now they're saying about creatine. Like there's no amount that's too much. Do you know what I'm saying? That's in my algorithm too right now. Everybody's super into creatine right now.

And the more I read about creatine, the more it's like, take as much as you can. There's no downside. Is that diversity as much as possible is a net positive? I would submit some level of diversity is good. But what amount seems to be carrying all the weight? Right? Here's the stats. In 1980, California was 15% foreign-born.

Today, it's 30%. New Jersey in 1980 was 10%. Today, it's 26%. New York in 1980 was 13%. Today, it's 24%. That's a big job. These are the highest ones. Want to go to some of the lower ones?

Virginia in 1980. 3% foreign-born, today almost 14% foreign-born. Like, state after state after state. New Mexico in 1984, today, 10.5%. So, for 40 years in almost every one of these states, we've at least doubled in many cases, tripled or quadrupled, the foreign-born population. And if you do the math, it extrapolates.

Is that the model? Oh, yeah, because of birth rates. Well, yeah, but then the birth rates, because the children, because we have birthright citizenship, will be American citizens. They won't be counted in this. And then we'll be incapable of knowing, you know, basically. And yet that second and third generation, which is American citizens, stays. We saw the rates of welfare dependence, and we see the cost of those two kids in New York were American citizens. They were American citizens.

throwing bombs yelling ISIS stuff. Raised with different ideology. Raised or, yeah, that part I don't know for sure. I don't want to say something we don't know. I mean, yes, yes, definitely raised with a different culture. Culture. But the ideology that inspired that is that, is that online

or is that something that is coming from home? I don't know that we know the answer to that. I mean, they're saying online right now, the cops are. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know yet. Here's what I do know the conversation should be about. What level? Like that should be much, much more of our conversation.

What level of migration? What level of diversity? What level? And from where? That, it seems irresponsible not to have that conversation. Right? And then, by the way, when we decide as a society, whatever that level is, then you say, well, what do we do with the levels we're at?

Is it lower than where we are now? If it's lower, do we do remigration? You know, before we even get to that, do we stop the level of migration? But it just seemed like having this conversation about level is the conversation you should be having. And back to the left now, their premise has been unfettered, absolutely unfettered, as illustrated by what their policy was under Joe Biden with the border. Like, now we're moving beyond legal immigration talk. Now, it's the illegal immigration talk, obviously.

Their policy has been take as much creatine as possible. There's no downside. But someone in the chat right now, Suzanne made a good point. A lot of people have an issue defining what American is. Like when someone says that, like what is American? You know, like what are they assimilating to? Because we started off pretty diverse. So, I mean, you've got to start there a little bit.

It's just a tough thing to do. Start off. mean diverse. I would say it was started off with the American experiment. Well, just, no, it was not. Sure. But it was designed as kind of like a melting pot-ish

type place, I would say. Well, religions, all creeds, all belief systems. This is the conversation I had with Vivek Ramaswamy. Yeah, what is it that makes an American? Sure. Is it simply citizenship? But like, what is American culture?

Posted. Well, I mean, we've had long conversations about that. Like, what is American culture? And I espoused some of that earlier. You know, it's a long history of hard work of Christian moral foundations. It just is. People don't want to admit that, though. But it's literally written into our documents.

It's not like it's hidden. It's not even like a cultural current underneath it. It was like on the face of it, on our money. on everything. That's what bothers people, like the left, I think, kind of the most.

But why? Because, I mean, I think the burden is on them to articulate why. Because it's obvious that that was part of it. It's obvious.

They just don't want to do. Go ahead, Patrick. Oh, I just think that, like, if you think about America when it was first founded, it was like you had mostly European countries here, you know, the real conflict, they were all Christian, but the real conflict was Protestant

or Catholic. I don't think they were thinking of the type of diversity that people are thinking of now. And so, like, we think about things in the context of where we are, but, like, in the context of back then, I don't know if they would have even had thought of, you know, Indians or Chinese. You're talking about relatively minor differences at the beginning. So the concept of diversity at the beginning was relatively minor. They were talking about Irish and Italian. immigrants. Yeah, it's much different. There's not a big difference as much as theirs now.

German. You're right about the Catholic thing. The truth is, I mean, it wasn't Catholic in the beginning. I'd love to see the I'd love to discuss the growth of Catholicism. There are certain spots, like Louisiana. Was it a Catholic state? Yeah, the French influence in Louisiana and through the Midwest. You had

Maryland, I believe, was Catholic. But in general, yes. I mean, most of it was Protestant, but you did have some elements of Catholicism. They're worried about Catholicism because they already had a leader in Rome. That's why they're worried about Calais. That was all the way through JFK. Yeah. That was all the way through JFK.

Right. Yep. But, by the way, that history of Maryland would be interesting. I don't know that history. I'm not saying you're wrong. I remember that as well. I might be wrong. But almost all of the original colonies were Protestant.

I mean, the Protestant... I didn't realize that for a long time. It came from England. Yeah. Pennsylvania was Quaker. Quaker? Yeah. Right.

But Maryland is literally named after the Virgin Mary, so that's definitely more Catholic than. Then New York became very Catholic because of the Irish, I would say. But I'd be over time. I'd be curious, Patrick, what the migration of Maryland was that made it more of a Catholic state. Like who was it that settled Maryland that made it more Catholic? You're right. Louisiana's obvious, but Louisiana comes along. later, by the way, and that's the French.

The French Catholics are what made that. I don't know about Maryland what that migration is that would have made it that way. Founded as a Catholic refuge, Maryland. In 1632.

And to your point, Dan, in New York, that's obvious because New York became the portal for migration from Italy and then the later Irish that came over Catholic, not the initial, Protestant Irish, but the later Catholic Irish that came along that we talked about with that professor a while back.

Fascinating. But there is an American culture. The long short of it is, there is an American culture. And I don't know, how do you preserve the thing that made you special, recognizing that immigration was part of what made you special, but at what level until you stop being special and you're like everyone else? And you're watching Europe go through this process right now. You're watching the rest of the world maintain that entire standard throughout their history.

And you ask yourself in America, what is our standard? What is our process? What is the right amount that makes us still the world leader and unique? All right. Over on YouTube, Justin Posey posts, I love both shows will, but the podcast is the best. I love how organic it is, and my favorite is the back and forth with tinfoil and two a days. I feel like I'm around the fire pit with my boys. Well, Justin, that's exactly what...

Thank you. That's exactly what we would hope. That's exactly what it's supposed to be like. And we appreciate you hanging out with us. We will be back again tomorrow. What is it, Wednesday? Yeah, that means we're going to be back again tomorrow. It's going to be Thursday.

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