Will Cain Country - Hillary Clinton Questioned About Epstein & Zachary Levi on The "Monsters" In The Epstein Files

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

He’s starred in numerous iconic films such as Tangled, Alvin and the Chipmunks, and Shazam! Now, he is helping bring one of the oldest heroes in history to the big screen. Zachary Levi, Host of the new FOX Nation Series ‘David: King of Israel,’ sits down with Will to share about his role in bringing the story of David to life, explaining what makes him so passionate about the role, and what we can still learn from the Biblical tale today. Zachary and Will also discuss some of the latest developments to come from the Epstein files, and the difficulty of being an actor who doesn’t conform to Hollywood’s cultural and political norms.Plus, Will and The Crew dive deep into the nuances of owning the rights to your own image and likeness in an era where it can be mimicked with ease by AI, and discuss the inconsistency and true motivations in the outrage over the Epstein Files.Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠⁠)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Epstein Files. Bill and Hillary Clinton set to testify to give a disposition on the Epstein files. But does anyone really care? Is this really about the victims? Is this really about the background of Jeffrey Epstein? Or is this now just the latest football and the political attack on President Donald Trump? Zachary Levi is hosting David King of Israel on Fox Nation, and he joins us here on Wilcane Country. It is Wilcane Country streaming live with the Will Cain Country YouTube channel, Facebook page.

Podcast on Spotify or an Apple. I'm stumbling out of the gates, two of days. I'm stumbling out of the gates, Dan. Deposition. Did I say like desposition? Deposition. Dyslexia of, like Newsom or? And I... Sounds like it. Oh, my gosh. I don't think you're allowed to do that.

What? Desposition. I think that was wrong. Was that wrong? Man, I should know better in my circles I run in. Yeah, I mean, I don't think you should be joking around. I'm not laughing. I'm not laughing.

That's what Gavin's doing. By the way, that's what Gavin is doing. Basically, that small little exchange that we just had is the exchange between Gavin Newsom and Sean Hannity. How dare you make fun of my dyslexia? You know, that was his response to Sean Hannity. My truth. I think I did that to Patrick.

the other day, because Patrick, after the Will Kane show, chastised me for saying a Catholic word, annunciation? Yeah. Was that what it was? Annunciation. Annunciation. That's not the word. That's not the word.

Annunciation. What is the word? It's when the angel came down to Mary. Anunciation. This is the same as like anunciating a word? Annunciation. Yeah. Yes.

Yeah, Catholic terms are not a big part of my background. I know that. I know that. How dare you not? I was trying to help you. How dare you not a clue us? I knew that you were not dialed in on Catholic terms. He was so nervous.

And so you're basically making fun of my Protestantism. No. You were basically making fun of my Protestantism. And I said in our text chain something about don't mess with me. I'm dyslexic and it totally put Patrick on his heels. You were so scared. Really? What? I didn't know. I'm sorry. And it just shows the power. At least it. Gavin Newsom is not unfounded belief in the power of victimhood. Right?

It's a weapon. Like, people use that as a weapon. Yeah, but I wouldn't care. Oh, it's such a weapon. If Gavin Newsom was mad at me. But like my job is to make you look good. So like, I was just trying, you know. Yes, you would care. Yes, you would care. Yes, you would care. If you, you, you are such a big game talker. If Gavin Newsom were right here and you said anything that allowed him to turn and go, you're making front of my dyslexia, your roller skates would be headed south. You would be going backwards so fast. You wouldn't be this keyboard warrior that you are on X. You would be backpedaling. And here's my favorite thing about this. By the way,

speaking of victim of being a weapon that made me think about the weapon. And I'm not being cute on this foreshadowing, but of the rock that David used to kill Goliath coming up in just a moment here on Will Kane country. Zachary Levi, who's hosting David King of Israel on Fox Nation. Shazam is going to be joining us. He'll probably just be walking in the middle of this conversation. But yesterday on the Will Kane show, I know you are, Dan. I had a panel, eight people, right? and this is so fascinating.

Okay, I had a panel of eight people to give me their feedback on Donald Trump's state of the union. Okay. And it was a diverse panel. It had three Democrats. It had one independent and four Republicans. Okay. First of all, can I just say it got really good feedback on social media. I got a lot of feedback.

People seemed to like it. The thing they liked in particular about it was too. fold. They liked hearing from regular Americans and not pundits. They liked hearing the point of view of people out there who are watching. And they want to hear more of that. But the other feedback that I got was people saying how mad they are at me that I let these Democrats speak. And they suggested, they suggested tinfoil that my panel was overwhelmingly Democrat. They're like, Why would you do that will? Why would you put a panel together of overwhelmingly Democrats?

And I'm like, three of them of eight are Democrats. And they thought, once again, that I got slaughtered. I got slaughtered by the guests because I didn't slap them. And so there is a contingent of the audience that just does not want to hear from someone with a different point of view. They're tuning into the wrong show. But the overwhelming feedback was positive, really, really, really. positive. But here's my moment to point out that you and everyone else gets on skates in real life going backwards. So on the panel, I got this 19 year old kid. He's a sophomore at SMU, right?

And he's a liberal. And he is pretty much cookie cutter down the middle. I got my news from TikTok liberal, meaning I'm having a good time with him. I'm talking to him during the commercial breaks. He brings up corruption, crypto, Epstein. Like, he's got the greatest hits down, okay? And also on my panel, sitting right next to him, is this lady, I'd say she's late 30s, black. Her name is Ajoa. And I can tell pretty quickly off the bat that she's a firecracker. Like, she's a firecracker.

She's ready to go, okay? So somehow the Save Act comes up, comes up. All right. And now the kid is going to do his thing. He's going right down the middle of the river, cookie cutter, TikTok talking point. And he's like, well, I don't think voting fraud is a big deal. It's small. And it suppresses the vote.

And I'm like, and I kind of know what I'm doing here, but I just want to kind of, let's say it out loud. I said, whose vote does it suppress? And he's like, well, minority votes. I'm like, which minorities? And he's now in a pickle. Now he's in a pickle because there's two black people on the panel. And everybody but six out of eight raised their hand there for the Save Act, including both black panelists. And now he's like,

can see his wheels turn in. He's like, what do I do? I can't say black. What do I want to do? He goes, minorities. And Azwa does not wait. She's like, what do you mean? You mean I can't get an ID? You mean I don't know how to get an ID? And I saw that kid's transmission shift into reverse so fast. He did not know what to do. He's like, I'm not supposed to be in this position. I'm a liberal. This is not how it's supposed to go. So my point is the minute. that victimhood is weaponized in a failed attempt and it's in face in person, Patrick, Gavin Newsom, would have you on skates going backwards. All he has to do is say, what are you doing, making fun of my dyslexia? And even you, keyboard warrior tinfoil, Pat, you would run for the hills.

You would run for the hills. Hey, I can do it. Watch this transition. David did not run for the hills. David took on Goliath. And that's at least one of the stories in the new Fox Nation special David King of Israel. And I'm now with the host, Zachary Levi. You liked that?

That was an incredible transition. Absolutely incredible transition. Although I think occasionally David did run for the hills or for the cave. He did a little running in his time. Tell me, because you in this series talk about more than, than just the story of David versus Goliath. You talk about a lot of the stories about David. What do you mean he ran for the hills? That's not what lives in our minds, in our imagination. Yeah, well, I mean, so, man, I mean, it's, you know, growing up in a Christian home,

David was, of all the biblical stories, I was, I was like, this is the coolest. Like, I always wanted to be a part of telling the story in one way, shape, or form. This is a really cool way to do it. It's this four-part docu-series with cool dramatic reenactments and stuff like that, but I am the host narrator, essentially, that brings people through the historical and kind of biblical context of various things. And we don't even get all the way to the end of David's story, by the way. This is just like the first season, if you will, and we get to, you know, through a significant chunk of that history. But, you know, he was a, he was one of many brothers, the youngest, a shepherd out in the fields, tending to the flock when Samuel, the prophet comes and essentially

chooses him, anoints him to go be the new king of the Israelites, right, to replace Saul, who has lost his way. But it's not like an instantaneous, you know, changeover. He's basically having to hide this identity in his anointing so that King Saul doesn't kill him. And then eventually, you know, David slays Goliath. That's the thing that most people know, David and Goliath. But then he goes on to become an even greater warrior and leader. And in the process of that, King Saul's jealousy grows. Saul sees him as the threat that he is to his throne and to his kingdom. And so he starts to pursue and chase and threaten him. And then in that, David has to flee many times through all of that. And he and his men are evading capture and death and hiding out

in the hills in caves and all kinds of different things. I mean, that's where a lot of the Psalms in the Bible ultimately come from, which are these beautiful poetic, you know, crying out to God moments that David had. It's really like reading his diary, to be honest. I mean, it's like David's diary is what the Psalms are. And it's not just full of great proclamations and everything's groovy. It's a lot of despondence. It's a lot of sadness. It's a lot of being lost in the wilderness and crying out to God and being like, what are you doing? What am I doing? Where are we going? Is my family even safe? You know, will you deliver me from these things? things. So yeah, there's a lot of detail in all of that. A lot of detail that, you know, I had read

when I was younger and then when we shot this, it was a pretty significant reminder of a lot of those historical moments. And also, again, the Psalms, like, they're so relatable to today. We live in such a wacky world. And so many of us that do have a relationship with God, I mean, I'm crying out to God all the time. Like, what am I doing? Where are we going? Where is the world right now? How can I be used in this world in a positive way when we're all being pulled apart by at the seams and intentionally so I think that this is all a part of you know some really bad dark nefarious actors and power in this world people that are highlighted in the Epstein files and all you know it's those types of people that have lots of power and lots of money and they would like us to all be at each other's throats instead of

holding them accountable and so we wonder why the world is burning the way that it is but you know I think the story of David is incredibly relatable. And even more so, you know, it's difficult to relate to Jesus, right? Because Jesus was Jesus. But David is a broken, faltered person who ends up being a murderer and an adulterer and shows us that even through that and through repenting of that, God still loves him. He's still a man after his own heart. And there's redemption and there's forgiveness and there's mercy.

So I think it's just an incredibly powerful story. and grateful that we got to, you know, go shoot that and bring it to Fox Nation. So Zachary Levi, movie star, Shazam, founder of Wildwood Studios, here in Texas, by the way. Yes, sir. And host of David King of Israel is with us here on Will King Country. We'll come back to that in a minute because I want to follow up on something you said. You said that you think that a lot of dark forces and powerful people are intentionally trying to divide us. I want to explore that for just a minute, Zachary.

So I've just begun. I was on a long trip, four-hour drive for a kid's soccer game, had one of my sons with me, and I've been meaning to do this and wanted to do this. And I started listening to mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis. Together we were listening to it on this long drive. And he was talking about good and evil, right and wrong. And, you know, he was talking about where right and wrong begin to diverge. And it diverges at a pretty early level.

But he was kind of laying out people, almost everybody thinks they're the good. guy. Everybody thinks they are on the side of righteousness. Very few people walk around with the acceptance that they are evil. That doesn't mean that evil is not playing upon their heart or dictating their actions. But when you say that, and you said there's some very dark forces and some very powerful figures, what do you think's going on there? Like, we don't have to talk about this guy, but like, I'm fascinated. I had Treasury Secretary Scott Besson here who worked for George Soros. And I was just like, hey, just tell me Soros' vision. I'm just like curious.

Like, what does he want? What do you think about these people that you're talking about that are very powerful forces, dark forces? Great question. So, first of all, yeah, listen, like, as an actor, this is something that comes up a lot when you play a villain. And people say, like, oh, what's it like, you know, getting into that role of being a bad guy? But the reality is you're never approaching playing a bad guy as if they know that they're a bad guy. Even the bad guy thinks they're the good guy in the story, right? They have some kind of origin story.

They are a product of their environment. This is true of all of us. And we must remain, we must remain understanding of this is how we continue to humanize each other. Even people across the aisle on the other side of an opinion or political view or whatever it is, they're still, in my opinion, they're still God's beloved. I believe every one of us, every human being is beloved by our creator. I really believe that. But also, there is darkness. There are principalities and powers.

There's a spiritual dynamic to this entire existence that we're in. We understand this. Some people don't believe that. Some people are very materialistic, atheistic, and they're like, there is no woo-woo. There is no spirituality. There's nothing like that. We come from atoms and material, and we go back into dust, and that's all that there is. But I think those people are missing a massive piece of it by not acknowledging that there is a darkness.

There is a polarity in this existence. There is light and there is dark. and the darkness wishes to destroy everything that is good, everything that is light. And I believe that there are people that may not think some, I think most people who operate in darkness absolutely don't necessarily know that they are. I think that they still think they're doing what they got to do. It's a dog eat dog world. I got to get mine. I got to get the bag. Whatever that means. They might have been abused greatly as children. You never know what that programming might be. But there are people, I do believe, that exist.

And I don't know all of these people. Hopefully I will never run across them. And hopefully their horrible energy and power will never ultimately affect me in my family and my friends. But when you're reading things like the Epstein Files and there are clearly people that are actively tied into the occult that believe that there is a power in human sacrifice and sex trafficking. and all, like, that is not something that you're just partaking in because you lost your way. There is something, they are actively going in that direction because they are finding a power in that. And I don't, again, I don't know who all of these people are, but I believe that stuff, by the way,

has been going on since the beginning of time. This is not new. This is not like all of a sudden we're in 2006 and now people are discovering these horrible atrocity things that can be done. this has been in the story of David. You know, he's taking on the Malekites, and they were actively practicing dark witchcraft and human sacrifices and all. This is the tale is oldest time.

So I don't know that that was somehow abolished. I think that there are people along the way that have always amassed power, and they want to keep that power. And in doing that, they will kind of do whatever it is that they think is necessary in order to manage the masses, keep us all kind of in the clouds and not really knowing what's going on. They will use the media every chance that they can to distract us with shiny things, with new things.

They will dumb us down. Our food, our water, our air, our medicines can be poisoned. Like all of these things are all going on concurrently. Like, is it one specific thing that is the culprit or one person? No, there's a lot of different things and a lot of different modalities that are all being, I think, leveled against us. the people. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with actor Zachary Levi,

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Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with actors. Zachary Levi of Shazam, but also the host of David King of Israel on Fox Nation. You know, when you describe that, especially there at the end, like the breadth of the, in your word, very highfalutin words, Zachary, modalities that are in play. That you ever hear Paul Harvey's if I were the devil? Yes. I'm sure you have.

Oh, yeah. It's so good. It's so good, right? But you start saying, like, if he lays out, if I were the devil, this is what I would do. and he did that. I think he did that in the, did he do that? I'm going to go,

I don't know, I mean, probably somewhere in that band. Yeah, definitely before the 90s and not quite to the 50s. It was probably like the 70s, maybe something.

Yeah, right. But it's interesting because it's playing out then, it's even playing out at a greater degree now. And, see, the thing is,

and I don't disagree with you. I just require a high burden of proof when it says, if I am going to to condemn someone as overtly evil, I just need a high burden of proof, right? Sure. What I do think is the thing that you said, like, when you describe evil, the takeaway for me is like, it forces greater self-awareness.

You need to look at yourself, not Zachary Levi, Will Kane, everyone. Yeah. I need to look at myself. 100%. And make sure, at all times, that I am being driven by, by and toward good and not evil. By the light. Because I do think we're all, we're all players. We're all players in this thing. And it's, in the greatest battle is within. Absolutely. And again, I think that it's imperative that we remember as we hunt for or try to identify, hunt might be a strong word, but it's still

kind of applicable. But as we go and we try to search for and identify the darkness to extinguish the darkness, to fight against the darkness. We have to do it in a way, and I believe this is very scriptural. We have to do it in and through the filter of and lens of love. We cannot allow, as we go to hunt monsters, we cannot become those same monsters as we do it, right? A lot of people in this political divide, they want to destroy the other side. It's like, well, wait a minute, then all you're really interested in in doing is winning. You're not trying for all of us to win. You just want to win. And I think that's very bad. I think that David, again, bringing back to, you know, why I'm even here right now, David was a man after God's own heart, became a murderer and an adulterer,

and still, through his repentance, remained a man after God's own heart. Now, that seems antithetical, right? Like, how can that be? If you're really a man after God's own heart, how could you go and do these horrible things? Well, it's because God recognizes that all of us are capable of that. Every single one of us, to your point, is capable of doing really dark things. my personal philosophy on this is I don't look at people as being evil people. Even people doing evil things, I don't see them as evil people. I see them as people who are participating in and being controlled by the darkness, but are still, I believe, worthy of God's love and redemption. And if we can see everyone through that lens, I think that's how we get to the promised land. That's how we

get everybody to the promised land. You know, I, uh, kind of a, some imagery that God gave me a few years ago as I was looking at all of this and I was like, how do you fight the darkness? And I think that oftentimes we think, well, it's like, it's like, you know, it's like a battle like David, like, you know, swords against swords and is this active battle against the darkness. When in fact, I wonder if maybe it's more almost like confidently looking at the darkness and saying, you're done, your time is over, and you basically turn your back on the darkness, go toward the light, you pick up almost like a big game, a tug-of-war, and you just pick up your part of the rope, you put it over your shoulder, and you just start marching toward the light.

And that's how you lead by example. That's how you go and be the change you wish to see in the world, and lead with that love, lead with God's love. So I think, you know, we have to identify that there is darkness. We have to identify that there are people that operate in the darkness. And still, even through all of that, recognize that even those people, I believe, if given truly the opportunity, can still meet God and experience his radical change and love. Okay, I want to move away from this philosophical stuff just a second. But when you're talking about, like, turning your back on the darkness and turning towards the light, moving towards the light.

I don't know. That saying, that whole thing, like staring to the abyss long enough and the abyss stares back at you, you become what you focus on. If you do focus on the darkness consistently and constantly, do you not become indistinguish, from the darkness. Turn away. Just move to the light. Here's a good transition. Dang, I'm good at this broadcasting thing.

How about that? How about that in your career? Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's too. I'm going to go somewhere else first. Kurt Warner. You played Kurt Warner. I'm looking at you right now.

You look pretty athletic. But you actors, you're really good at looking at like things that you're not. So I don't know. I don't know what you are. I do know that some actors have had a hard time like, okay, I'm going to play an athlete. How do I, how do I, the hardest thing to do is to all of a pretend you can throw a football or something like that, you know, so tell me, okay, tell me, were you an athlete in high school? Did you have to try to learn that? Did you guys fake it? Like, tell me kind of what

you had to do there. Yeah, no, I mean, it's a little bit, a little bit of everything. I mean, I was an athlete in high school. I mean, I've always been a reasonably athletic person, but I was far more focused on being an actor. So I was the spazzy theater kid before I was anything else. but I was a diver, like a springboard diver in my freshman year of high school. I played volleyball my senior year. I mean, I played left bench, but I mean, I played volleyball. Played lots of pickup basketball. Did you play any men sports?

Oh, basketball. Played a lot of pickup basketball in my 20s and 30s. You know, and always lots of intramural, you know, all kinds of stuff like that. But when it came to American Underdog, I played, you know, a good bit of baseball, little league when I was growing up too. But I was more accustomed to throwing baseball. not footballs. And that is a very, very different thing. And so I actually had this great quarterback coach, Clint Dolazel, who played arena against Kurt and also got drafted. I think he

was drafted by the Bears at one point and was on their roster for a season or two. Great guy, also from Texas, by the way. He's out, I think he's in the Frisco area or something. But anyway, I got like a month and a half with Clint, a month and a half of this quarterback crash course. And it was awesome. I learned so much. And it wasn't just a matter of learning how to throw a better spiral, which I did get significantly better at, but we still, like, I still had an awesome, like, uh, I had two doubles. I had one double that looked very much like me and was just throwing the tightest dimes all the time. Like if we knew it had to be picture perfect over and over and over again. And also, by the way, I shot it when I was 40 years old. I had like tendonitis in my right

shoulder. It was not a good look. So Will, my boy Will aren't who's, um, now by the way, he's actually a quarterback coach for Glenn Powell doing, uh, like the Chad Poundt stuff. So shout out to Will. And then I had another double named Dirk. And Dirk, he was, he literally just took all the massive hits. Like, I still took hits. I, in fact, I insisted on it. I was like, I can't go make this movie unless I get hit a little bit. Like, let's do this. But like, there was some stuff where they were, we're going to hit you so hard. You're going to do like a 360 in the air. Insurance will not allow that. So, you know, that we'd bring in, um, Deke. Not Dirk. His name was. Yeah. So anyway. So there was, there was, there was

supplemental and stuff. But bro, I felt very proud of myself. Like at 40 years old, I learned out to throw a pretty good spiral. But more than that, I learned how to get into the head of a quarterback, like really understanding what it means. Once you hike that ball, how quickly you need to read the coverage, read your receivers, if anybody's open, and if they're not, and figuring out how you're going to go run that ball and, you know, and the Rams offense, when Kurt was playing, that was the greatest show on turf. I mean, that was a high speed offense that by the way, and this was the magic of his story, had he not gotten cut by the Packers when he first got drafted, ended up kind of sputtering around, stocking shelves at a grocery

store, playing, and then ending up an arena, arena moves so fast is what it, that's what taught him how to be so fast. So when he ended up getting a shot in the NFL, his ability to read his coverage was just that much quicker. And that gave him kind of a leg up, particularly with the offense that they had with the Rams that year. So it was cool, man. One of the coolest things about being an actor is this journey of empathy. I get to literally walk a mile in somebody else's shoes. Sometimes they're a real person like Kurt, who, by the way, is a fantastic human

being, as is his wife, Brenda, and their whole family. And I got to spend some quality time with them too. But, you know, I get to learn a new skill. I get to go and learn what it means to be a quarterback. And, like, that was a really cool journey. And I think we made a really good movie. I do too. I think that is an awesome experience what you just described. The theater kid thing. This is the part of an interview that you've probably done a million times. The theater kid thing. Okay, the philosophies in the worldview that you've laid out for us here today and that you've laid out much more in other venues as well. Pretty open in a lot of your political beliefs make you an outlier, not just in Hollywood, but I would have to think, going all the way back to high school and as a theater kid.

Maybe not. Where'd you grow up, Zachary? I grew up in Southern California, Ventura, California. Okay, so yes, I'm going to guess most theater kids in Southern California probably weren't of this type of worldview that you have. So the entirety of your career, to some extent, you're in an industry that makes you a total black sheep. I'm curious, like, were you always who you are, the guy you're talking about right now,

Were you quiet? Were you not talking about it? Would it have hurt you if you did? Like, is it hurting you now that you're talking about this more openly? Yeah. Well, listen, I would say when I was a kid, I mean, I've definitely always been the same kid. I think God's always given me really solid portions of logic and empathy. And I had parents that were really wise and had a lot of discernment and helped me and my sisters understand the world. Like, you know, teaching us early on to have a healthy level of distrust of the government and all major industry. absolute power corrupts absolutely and so that's always been in my veins i've always you know had that um awareness when i was in high school i wasn't like you know nobody was like super politically active or having big conversations but also that was a different time i was in high school 1990 you know mid 90s mid to late 90s the world wasn't nearly as polarized it wasn't nearly as as as you know left and right and programmed and and i really think brainwash where there's so much brainwashing that's been going on for far too long. But at that point, it wasn't nearly what it was.

As far as Hollywood's concerned, you know, I've always felt confident being able to express who I am. I think that there's a lot more room than people give it credit for being, let's say, marching to a different drum. So long as you're not banging people, you know, I've heard a lot of people say, oh, you know, I got right out of Hollywood because I was a Christian or something. It's like, well, maybe, I don't know, I've never really seen that. I've seen people who call themselves Christians who can be very difficult to work with and who, you know, want to beat people, you know, bludgeon them with the word or with the Bible or with their beliefs. That's where people get like, yo, you can believe what you believe, but don't make me, don't force me into believing that or

judge me because I don't believe that. That's where I think a lot of people get into issues. there's the the big divide or the you know the thing that's happened most recently in my life and in my career is that I believe I've always I call myself a pretty moderate libertarian to be honest I hold some you know I would say majority conservative ideals but there are some that are a little bit more liberal and live and let live in my kind of libertarianism which is one of the reasons I love Texas so much by the way and one of the reasons I moved to Austin but in this last election to me it was this was a do or die moment for the United States and therefore the world. I did not vote for Trump the first couple of times.

I voted independent in the last two elections. But with this one, with everything on the line and with our borders and shambles and with just all of the issues that we're dealing with and where we're going and we're given what? One of two options. That's it. That's every time. And we're all sitting around going, can't there be better options? And I was like, no, Bobby Kennedy was really what got me into this fight. To me, Bobby was the best option.

I would have voted for him seven times seven, you know, like over and over and over again. I think he's a wonderful human being, and I think he's an incredible statesman. And, you know, the Democrats made it impossible for him to run, ultimately. And then we had this miracle in Butler, not just a miracle because Donald Trump survived that attack. But I think it also, it shifted him. He had never really felt that level of vulnerability and humility, I think, you know, in all of that. And that led to him and Bobby coming together and Tulsi and J.D. Vance was already part of, you know, in Elon and all these things. I'm like, wow, that's like a, that's like an Avengers.

Like, that's a team that I feel like actually is pro-America, pro-humanity. And all of them, we're all humans. We all have issues. Nobody's perfect. But I would vote for that team over the alternative. The alternative to me was, that's it. Like, I don't think we're ever going to come back from a Kamala Harris presidency. I don't think that would happen. I know a lot of people think that's, you know, oh, that's outrageous and it would have been great. And I personally don't.

I don't think so. So I felt the need. Tulsi Gabbard basically called me up. And she was like, would you want to moderate one of these, you know, panels that Bobby and I are doing on the campaign trail? And I thought and prayed about it a lot. I was like, God, if I do this, I'm crossing the Rubicon. I don't know what that will do for my career.

but at the end of the day, you know, we all love sitting around and playing these games of, you know, hindsight is 2020, and well, what were all the well-meaning Germans in 1930s Germany doing when Adolf Hitler was rising to power? Why didn't they do anything? Why didn't they say anything? And a lot of them were very well-meaning

and good people. We're like, we don't want to rock the boat. We don't want to get in trouble. We don't want to get canceled. We don't want any... I'm like, listen, that's not being a man. Like, part of being a man, or part of just being, I think, a person of integrity, a man or woman is that you're willing to sacrifice. You're willing to to put your life or your career or your livelihood or whatever on the line.

Like we celebrate our veterans and our heroes as we should because they're willing to put their literal life on the line to fight for freedom and liberty in this country and around the world. I'm not willing to even sacrifice my career if that's what it came to in order to do the same thing. And so I just felt very compelled. I was like, I think this is what I got to do. If there's going to be blowback, they'll be blowback.

And there has been. There definitely has been blowback. But, you know, you got to live this. life and use every ounce of what you have, what you've been given, the giftings, the platform, the blessings that I've been given by God to go and try to make it a better place. And if that's what I needed to do, then that's what I needed to do. And that's what I did. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with actor Zachary Levi, the host of David King of Israel on Fox Nation. When we come back on Wilcane Country, welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still

hanging out with actor Zachary Levi of Shazam, but also the host of David King of Israel on Fox nation. Bravo. That was awesome. Seriously. I know it was just an impromptu off the cuff answer, but maybe not. Maybe you've had to tell that story. I've told it a couple of times, but I appreciate the question. You got it down. Thanks. Yeah. I do have one more thing. I think it's tied somewhat, but before I get to it, just a personal curiosity, Wildwood Studios, and I understand Bastrop and you live in Austin. Yep. And when did you move? What year did you move to Austin? Eight years ago. Eight years ago.

I mean, I wish I could have moved there sooner. I had my eyes on Austin for a while. Wow. This is where I'm headed. I know. This is where I'm headed, man. Okay, I went to law school in Austin in the late 90s, even when I was there. And by the way, I loved it. Loved it.

Yeah. I'm a born and raised Texan. Even when I was there, old guys were like, well, you should have seen Austin in the 70s, right? And so now, now a lot of Texans have written Austin off. Like, now it's not even a version of what it is we all love. for half a century. Whatever it is or it isn't, that's not my question for you.

But I did hear this the other day. Who told me this? Somebody told me that a lot of the celebrities, like yourself, comedians and so forth, that have moved to Austin in the past five or six years, are pulling up roots. They're moving to Florida, I heard. They're moving to South Florida because the whole Austin thing is just too much. Is that true? Have you seen that?

Is it lived up to your expectations? I don't, to answer the first part of the question, I don't know about that. I mean, I know that there are some people that in the pandemic that were coming from L.A. or coming from New York or, you know, other places. And they were like, I can't do this. This is clearly showing me that living in this place is not a good place to be. And so they make a quick reaction. They go move to a place like Austin because it's hyped and lots of people love it.

And I think deservedly so. And then they get to a place like Austin. And then maybe it's not exactly their jam. Maybe it's not exactly their vibe. Maybe the weather is too much for them. Because, you know, particularly coming from L.A. And the perfect weather in L.A., you know, it can get pretty hot in the summers in Austin. It's hot.

You know, it can. But to me, that's all a matter of, you know, find shade, water, and air conditioning. Like, it can actually be quite enjoyable if you have the right amenities around you. Like, if you're just standing out in a field in the middle of a Texas summer and there's no shade and you're just like staring at cows, yeah, that's not very enjoyable. but same heat and humidity, but you're on a beach and you got some shady trees and a mitai in your hand, that's a vacation. So it's a matter of perspective. It's like figure it out. You know, plenty of people are able to do it.

And honestly, man, I love Austin. I know it's probably not, you know, it's definitely, even since I've been there in the eight years that I've been there, it's rapidly changed. And I know it rapidly changed for 10 years prior to that and 10 years prior to that and so on and so forth. And if you talk to the old timers, of course, they're like, man, back in the 60s or whatever. I don't I'm no doubt it's changed dramatically and and in that maybe not all changed entirely for the better. However, as somebody, and again, I'm one of these transplants, but I'm not like a California transplant who wants it to be California. I don't want Texas to be California. I want Texas to remain the libertine voice and reason in this country and be like, yo, this is where it's at, right?

And to me, Austin is still very much Texas. It still has all of that Texas. but also great food, great art, great music, great energy, great vibe, great nature. I mean, there's very, in fact, I cannot tell you, and I've done a good amount of traveling in the world, not everywhere, but of all the major cities I've ever been to in the world, if there's a river that runs through the middle of that city, you don't see people recreating on that river. You don't see people on like paddle boards.

No, you see like big boats. Nobody's swimming in it, certainly. It's polluted as heck, right? But in Austin, they protected Barton Springs and Lady Bird Lake and all of these. It's incredible. It's a beautiful place. And also there's tech and there's and again music now standup comedy. Joe Rogan has turned that into the standup mecca.

And there's a lot of other things. You know, comics realize they're all on the road all the time. Why am I living on either coast? It's more travel for me. Why don't I live in the center of the country? And also Joe's doing what he's doing and all these podcasts and all these things. So to me, Austin's still a really great vibe. I want to be there more, unfortunately, as an actor.

I'm very nomadic, so I have to keep bouncing around until I can build Wildwood, which is essentially a movie studio and a living community and a resorts for people in the arts and sciences to have a better life. Better schools for our kids, better agriculture, regenerative, organic, health and wellness, really tapping into giving people a better life, because I really do believe that, you know, industrialists of old understood something. Like Hershey's Pennsylvania, you know, that exactly. because a guy once upon a time was like, I want to, I need a factory to build to make chocolate. I want to make chocolate.

Oh, there's not enough homes for the workers. Okay, I need to build homes. I need to build schools for their kids and clinics to keep them healthy. And the happiest bees make the tastiest honey. If you take care of your workers, they make a better product. You do better in the long run. And I feel like Hollywood has been missing that from the beginning, you know, and this is long overdue. And especially, one last point on that.

as we are moving very rapidly into the future, which is an AI future across all industries. Hollywood is already really cooked right now. I don't know if you've seen any of the videos that are being generated on seed dance. This is actually what I was going to ask you. This was my last question for you. You don't need actors. The cost of everything has gone down to nothing, this AI thing when it comes to storytelling. Yeah.

Yeah. So, and I think that's unfortunately like, you know, whether it's how Austin itself, continues to change or technology or anything, you can't stop progress, you can only hope to guide it. I think Austin has actually done a pretty good job of guiding that. I think as far as technology and AI is concerned, we're not going to be able to stop this. We literally won't. And part of that is just quite literally national safety. We can't allow another country to get to artificial general and super intelligence before we do. Everybody kind of understands that. So in the process of that, we're going to keep creating better and better and better AI technologies, which in some ways are going to be amazing.

Medical breakthroughs and this sector or that sector, whatever it's going to be, making life a lot easier, frictionless, so on and so forth. However, when it comes to the arts, the arts are one of the only things that actually makes us human. And we have to do something in the face of all of that when everyone can just go to their computer and generate whatever they want, whenever they want, whenever they want. may we create a place, and this is what I'm trying to do with Wildwood, where we hold a line. And we say, listen, we'll use AI to optimize workflows and stuff. But when it comes to actually making a movie, a TV show, a video game, music, anything in the arts and sciences of entertainment, may we continue to do that in a way that organic food is, like human-made organic, certified organic art. Because I think we owe it to our children. We owe it to posterity.

We owe it to ourselves that there is at least some option. When you go to the grocery store, most of it's not organic, but some of it is. And people like me are going out of our way to go find that food. And I want to create that for entertainment. When everyone else is going to zig and start implementing AI, left, right and center, and it's super fast and cheap and easy and delightful, whatever all that is, may there always be the organic section of art where people who have discerning tastes go, I want that.

It might cost me a little bit more money, but it's human. It's a part of who we are as people, and I want to support that, and the humans' behind it. That is awesome. Organic human art. I would love to come down and see Wildwood Studios at some point. Bring it, Will. For now, I would love to you. I really would. I'll be in Austin a lot. Possibly. We'll see. Where are you in Texas? Are you up in Dallas? I'm in Dallas. You come up here too sometime. I get to the DFDA. I get to the DFDA. It's on the upswing. Yeah. Austin going down, Dallas going up. Now, this has been great.

In the meantime, we should all watch David King of Israel and Fox Nation hosted by Zachary Levi. We appreciate it all the time. You've got a television hit. I've got to let you go get to that. So thanks for hanging out, Zachary. Thanks, well. Pleasure to meet you, man. All right, take care.

There you go. Zachary Levi here on Wilcang Country. That was going to be the last conversation I wanted to have with him about this AI. I don't know if you guys seen this stuff, but like it's all over X. You can see these videos going up. I mean, it's, I saw one yesterday. Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise in. a high-speed car chase. I saw another one, Logan Paul, as the, as the superhero fighting

these villains in all of its fake. Fake in that, it's not really Logan Paul, it's not really Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise. It's all AI and it's getting, I mean, you can still tell a little bit, but now we're talking about on the margins, like small percentages. It'll be perfected in a matter of months. It's so wild. It's so wild. which by the way those guys got to have intellectual property to their likeness like theoretically I would think

they can sue for that how can you monitor it? You can't be like yeah that's a great question well you won't be able to monitor the small stuff but if there's still if there's places of large congregation

like you're not going to be able to make a series you're not going to put something on a big platform but like one judge has to make small stuff that's it well I think they already have those people own their IP I mean, look, I'm not putting me on the same level, but at some point, same thing with me. I think I would have to own my IP.

I think don't you inherently own your IP, by the way? You don't have to file something, but somebody can't just start doing a newsrodfast with my name, my face, my voice, all of it, just with a different point of view. I don't know. They literally could do that right now. But, like, legally at some point. We've had people try to make other feeds, and we've been able to pull them because they're not, Will Kane. Yeah, but that's not like actually they're trying to be Will. That's just like actually trying to pretend there that our show.

But Matthew McConaughey was just discussing this. I don't remember who he was talking to. But he was talking about how he had trademarked his everything, his face, his, you know, his voice, you know, his image and likeness. I mean, you know what the ruling is going to have to be. I don't know how you do this. that you own that until you sell it. Because like, forget the celebrity. Yeah. You as well. Like you, you know, you, you, you listening.

How upset would you be, right? And it can be done like this. You know what's fascinating. But then what if you sell it. What if you sell it? Like, what if, what if, what if, Like a musician? What if I, what if I reach the heights?

Let's not use me because it's full of. of hubris. You're speaking in third person. What if what if I'm trying to just pick the right one here. Bill O'Reilly?

Walter Cronkite. What if Walter Cronkite's airs sold his IP? So and then it can get sold again and again and again, right? And so Walter Cronkite could today be used as a

primetime host on Fox News, right? And Walter Cronkite certainly. didn't, I don't think he shared my opinions whatsoever, right? But now all of a sudden Walter Cronkite is a firebrand, you know? Like, that's theoretically totally possible. You start selling this IP.

Yeah. That's wild. I mean, what about like John Lennon or something, you know, coming back to do a concert? I don't know. Forget that. What about John Lennon? What about John Lennon selling Colgate toothpaste with a jingle? You know, like. Yeah.

John Lennon at WWE. So there are, by the way, there are contract laws and state laws rights of publicity that do protect people from using name, face, voice, likeness, persona. So there are some things out there that do protect, like California, New York have strong, strong ones. Now, they did. But you could sell that property. That's intellectual property that you could sell. Yeah. Like Zach Bryan just sold all of his, his.

music for like $150 million. I mean, that's him. That's his... Did he really? He sold his rights? He sold all of it for $150 million. Don't they say when like, don't they say that's the biggest mistake you can make? You want the money.

Like, speaking of, it wasn't John Lennon. Didn't Paul McCartney tell Michael Jackson that? Like, buy your rights. It's the most valuable thing that you can own. And what did Michael Jackson do? He turned around and bought the rights and the, they bought the Beatles. That's so savage. He bought the Beatles book.

That's so savage. That's amazing. I'm surprised Zach Brian would sell it like that. But just write new songs. I mean, because you're only selling what you already did, right? You're not selling yourself like you're talking about. But it has such a tale of value. But if you're confident enough, you can make better music or just as good music.

Why not? I mean, it's a big paycheck if you want the money now. Everybody has a shelf life. Everybody. Yeah, but what would you sell? You're going to keep turning it out. No. Me?

Me? I mean, like, yeah. $150. No, no, you're thinking of me. I'll do it for a chalupa. Patrick's trying to buy your likeness. Patrick will do it for a box of potato skins from Costco. Frozen.

You got to cook them. I have no idea, Patrick. I just, I think that would be a pretty fascinating exercise, though, to try to put a value on it. Like, what are you worth, Will? What is? Yeah. What am I worth? To my children.

Yeah. Exactly. Forget what I actually have, right? But I'm dead. You get my voice, my face. That's pretty much shit. So, what's that worth to you? I'm going to tell you, go to town.

You're going to have to pivot a little bit, okay? You're doing a lot of news. of the day stuff. Like, we're going to have to start doing a little more, a little more David, King of Israel kind of content. You know, that stuff that's going to... Why? Who's going to come back and watch?

What's your voice? Just your voice? No, it's not about the content we're creating today. It's about what you can make. It's not about this content. It's about using my name, voice, and face to do the Rachel Maddow show on MS Now in 2030.

years. More than that, I hope I'm gone, I hope I'm still around in 20, 30 years. Yeah. You know, 50, 60. Don't make that face, Patrick. I'm wearing a whoop now. Haven't you noticed? Jeez. I mean, you're going to do that to Portnoy yesterday. You know, an old man, Will. Was he offended yesterday? Yesterday on the show.

I don't even remember how it came up. He said something about being an old man. I can't remember. And I said, well, you are an old man? Yeah. And he said, I don't come on to this show for that. You've already, you've offended him multiple times. You've offended him multiple times on our shows. Did I think Zachary Levi? By the way, I got really familiar, really fast with Zachary Levi.

Did you notice that? I thought you guys met before. I just met the dude, right? I thought you knew each other. No, I just met the dude. And by the way, I've met him virtually, not in person. Right, right, right. And so we're talking.

I'm seven minutes into our relationship, and he's rattling off the sports you played in high school. And I said, do you play any? in sports. Bro, I literally ducked behind my computer screens when he said that. I was like, I am not here anymore. Well, he said diving in volleyball. Look, I said the thing that everybody was thinking. Y'all all were thinking it.

Come on. It was a funny line. He was a good sport, though. He was a good sport. He laughed. But he may be going in the hallway. I have no idea if this dude is like, you know, confident. No, I'm kidding.

Oh, really? No, I'm kidding. He, you know, you never know where someone's actually sensitive when they're pretending not to be sensitive. Right. I wonder if that one bothered him. Like me. He's like, I don't like that will guy. Yeah, you get very hurt.

I can see that you're probably sensitive. Yeah, man. I could see that. He's like an open nerve. I don't like that. I'm just kidding. I don't do well with that. See how sensitive I got. I'm not sensitive.

If you guys. If you rank all the people that I get a. along with, well, the ones I get along with the least are sensitive people. Because I just can't adjust and I don't like adjusting. I can't a little bit, but I don't like it a lot. And I also think it interferes with us actually connecting. Do you know what I mean? Like, so we connect. So I'm not sensitive. If Zachary, if Zachary isn't sensitive and he laughed at that, then we just connected. Boom. Boom. Connected. That was fun, right? Now we're connecting as human beings. but if you're sensitive and now I have to dial it back and I have to hide my thoughts, you know.

It's not fun. Who wants to do that? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Playing quarterback came easy because you were a diver. And by the way, I'm a swimmer. I'm a swimmer.

Okay, just for the record. Glass houses, baby. Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Kane Country. I feel like it's not glass houses. It's like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, you can throw that rock right back. You know? Yeah, I get it. I know, Dan.

Sorry. And not very well. Really? Dan, he had one goal. I was a scrub. I know. He had one goal. He was a backup.

That's more goals than we both have. So. That's not in a water polo. Have you ever lined up? Patrick, have you ever lined up against an Eastern European at the age of 19 with hair on his chest? He's 6 foot 3, 2.30. At half time, he spoke a marble. Borough Red. And he literally

fought in a civil war a few years before you got in the water with him. Have you ever lined up against that guy? I watched my whole family. And here I am. At the time, 165. 165. You know, yeah, I'm going to guard this guy. If he dies, he dies. I remember this,

I had this friend that went to the Naval Academy and he ended up being a badass. He was a top gun. He was literally an instructor at Top Gun. And he told this story about being at the Naval Academy. and at the Naval Academy, right, you are, the underclassmen are lower than the upper classmen like in military rank. You know what I mean? So the upperclassmen can bark at you and, you know, tell you what to do.

And I think this upperclassman was yelling at this plebe, this underclassman, my friend told me this story. You know, in his face, drop down and give me a hundred. It's just tearing into this guy. But this guy had been an enlisted man first. He didn't go to OCS. He went to Naval Academy, and he was a Navy SEAL. And he said calmly while looking at this guy, sir, because he had to say, sir, sir, I've killed better men than you. Oh, my God.

That's such a walk-off. So Patrick's talking about my one goal when I'm sitting here guarding this guy who's killed better men than me in freaking Serbia. That's true. We appreciate you. I'm not going to know you too. I don't want to offend. Too sensitive. The Bosnians.

I didn't know where you're going to go with that joke. Okay, so yesterday's show, our review of the State of the Union with Congressman Byron Donald's got a good amount of traction and a lot of comments online. So we thought today that we would review some of that here together on Wilcane Country. Check in with the Wollishel. Let's head over to YouTube where Australa Yala says there's no hate in my heart, but there's annoyance and distaste for representatives, particularly Elon Omar. Sorry, but nothing will change my mind.

It's rational feelings because their actions dictate these reactions. And then Ramesh Mahadio, Mahadios. I did a pretty good job. Ramesh Mahadio says, things are getting worse and worse than ever. This is their response to what they saw at the State of the Union. there are more comments and Dan pick the ones you like the best but I want to I want to talk about the Epstein deal real quick so Bill and Hillary Clinton today are giving depositions on the on Jeffrey Epstein so on our morning call we had this conversation I think and and and Zachary Levi brought up the Epstein things go ahead tinfoil yes yes I just want to clarify Hillary Clinton is

Today, Bill Clinton is tomorrow. So it's two days. Okay. Well, thank you for that. Yes. Okay. Zachary brought up Epstein. I'm getting a little, I've told you guys this. I'm getting a little skeptical of the Epstein thing.

Now, what do you mean, Will? This is where in the comments, go ahead, fire away on YouTube. Petto, protector, all this stuff, right? Saw a couple. Here's what is, here's what my antennas are up about. I just want you to think about this, okay? And I want there to be some self-reflection. I think there's there-there-there on the upscene stuff.

I really do. I think there is there-there-but I don't think the there is about what everyone is focused on with the there. Okay, you see what I'm saying? And I find none of it or very little of it to be sincere, like a sincere search for the truth. I find very little of it a sincere search for the truth. So Donald Trump said some months ago, this is a hoax. This is a Democrat hoax. Okay.

If you're in the world that thinks that everything Donald Trump says is a lie, you're not going to be able to probably tolerate this conversation. But if you're somebody that's observed that over time, Donald Trump has said things that are dismissed as lies and conspiracies that have proven up to be true, if not in every situation, enough that you should have. your antennas up, as I, as do I, then you have to consider what he's, what does he know and what is he saying about just being a hoax. So he said that. I know, but it's not a hoax. Okay. But all right. Right now in our comment section, almost without a doubt, Dan, somebody is saying a version of these two comments, release the files in all caps, All right? Or pedophile protector, pedo protector, again, in all caps.

It's always all caps. By the way, I see your comments. I could post about the U.S. Olympic hockey team, and I will see those two comments without a doubt. And it will always be in all caps. All right. On the floor of the State of the Union, one of the Democrat reps had on either a t-shirt or a pen that said release the file. right? I can't remember who it was. Was it Rashida Talib? Or I can't remember who was. All right. First reason my antennas are up. Nobody said this stuff from 2020 to 2024.

No, on the left. Nobody said this stuff on the left. Nobody was interested. Nobody brought it up when Joe Biden had the White House. Democrats had Congress and Democrats had the Senate and Merritt Garland ran the DOJ. There was literally no Republican hurdle to any piece of evidence that you wanted when it came to Jeffrey Epstein. Nothing. Four years, you had power. And not only did you do nothing, you called for nothing. You had no interest whatsoever in Jeffrey Epstein. Now, we can go back further because the Epstein story dates back much further than that. Jeffrey Epstein was first busted for underage sex trafficking. What was it in 2012? Was it 12 when his first bust was?

I think it was 07. And the Vanity Fair articles, was it before that? Was it 08? I think so. And, you know, if you'll remember, I think I'm writing on this, Patrick. The first real articles on this Jeffrey Epstein stuff was coming from two sources, if I remember correctly. Vanity Fair and the Miami Herald. I think those two did some, you know,

unique original reporting. And then do you remember the first time it started to break through really with national news, and I can't remember if this happened before or after he died. Should we let Patrick have his 60 seconds on this? That he's not actually dead? No. It's not. Leave what you want.

Okay. What was her name on ABC? Amy something. Amy something. The host of like a roboc. Yeah, Amy Robok. Do you guys remember the hot mic moment? She's about to do a TV hit, and she's talking to a producer in her ear, and she's saying that she did this big piece on Epstein, this investigation on Epstein, and it got spiked at like high levels, blocked in every way.

She's telling the story. Whenever we do TV, you sit in the, in the, this is what it's called a flash cam. She was just in a, which only means she was in a little room with one camera. That's it. And she's got a fake background behind her, you know, a TV screen. And so there's no human being around her. She's only talking to someone through her earpiece. And she's telling somebody.

And anybody in the control room can get into your ear and just start having a casual conversation with you, which happens all the time. And yet it's recorded. And we all know and need to know that at all times, if there's a microphone, it's not private. And she's saying these things. And it wasn't private. It got out. And then Epstein hits a new level, right?

It hits a new level. And then when he died, it became a meme. Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself, right? And from there, the story keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger on a national level, right? It just keeps getting bigger, bigger and bigger on a national level. But through all of that, through all of that, there was no interest whatsoever from the person in the comment section right now typing, release the files. There was no interest. So it wasn't just four years of power and the ability to release.

it. It was the preceding years of bubbling bigger and bigger national interest where the person yelling petto protector had no interest in this story. None. Okay? Now, all of a sudden, it's the biggest story

on the left. It's the biggest story. And you say to yourself, why? If there's no interest, I'm setting this right aside. You're right. It's big on the right. We're talking about something else right now. I'll come back to the right. Sure. The left's obsession with it right now is driven, and I think I am, forget this, I'm spot on. All of that groundwork proves to me and shows me that this is not about any interest in the victims. This is not about any interest in the truth of Jeffrey Epstein. This is not about any interest in foreign intelligence. This is not about his interesting and background story and how he walked through life, stuff that we've talked about on this show.

This is about one thing and one thing only, and the one thing that they've been obsessed with for over a decade now. And that is how do we get Donald Trump? It can be Russia hoax. It can be Signalgate. It can be anything. But it's only and exclusively about getting Donald Trump. Yesterday on that panel, the 19-year-old brings up Epstein. And I said during the commercial break, what do you guys think is the pot of gold at the end of your rainbow on the Epstein story?

You think there is some picture with Donald Trump with some underage girl? His name is in the files 3,000 times or whatever the number is, right? That's, there is, do you know how your name, your name gets in the Epstein files? Your name, okay? Ted Liu did this. He's a Democratic representative. He did it in a congressional hearing with Attorney General Pam Bondi. He did this.

He said, there are witnesses. who've brought this up about Donald Trump. There are documents. And once you start hearing those two words, documents and witnesses, you start going, who, that's heavy, that has some weight. The Epstein files contain a hotline. Anyone could call and give a tip. And Donald Trump's name is all throughout this hotline of tips.

What are these tips? Well, here's one that Ted Liu used in a congressional hearing. A limo driver called the hotline. I can't remember if it was in Oklahoma and Texas. And he says on the hotline that he once gave a ride to Donald Trump. And that Donald Trump was talking to a, quote, Jeffrey on the telephone. And they were saying inappropriate things. And the limo driver was like, I almost pulled over and fought Donald Trump.

That's physically attacked Donald Trump. Okay. Then same caller says some months later, I'm giving a ride to a female. Who is the female? We don't know. And she says, as he's recounting the story, to her. The same one he tells to the hotline, she blurts out, he raped me. Okay, end of story, seen. So some dude, somewhere, calls in and says he's a limo driver and he overheard this

conversation and somebody else said something in his limo. He raped me. And that is your witness and the recording of that conversation in the Epstein files is your documents. you could do it right now. You could call an Epstein hotline, make up total bullshit, and put it in there. And, you know, it's over now, I assume. It becomes part of the Epstein files. And that's your evidence that you think there's this pot of gold at the end to finally get, like you did with Russia Gate, Donald Trump. And that's what this is about.

That's why it's really achieved these levels. Now, we had a debate because Tuday says he thinks, well, people didn't know about it. And now they know about it and they care. More about it. Right, Tews? Yeah, I didn't know anything about this until not that long ago. And you think that's why now there's a very real sincere interest in getting to the bottom of this. It can be both, though.

People can care about these victims and care about getting Donald Trump. I mean, yes, it's a political moment of reason. But it doesn't. You know, people do those things for all sorts of political reasons. Let's put it to the test. Sure. If tomorrow there was incontrovertible truth, fact proof that there is no nefarious connection between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. None.

Boom. Done. None. Would the left drop the Epstein story? Would the left still be interested in the Epstein story? Sure. the people I talk to it's only part of it. Yes, they would.

It would be dropped like the biggest hot potato you've ever seen. You're talking about the media. It would be dropped like every other conspiracy that's been dropped and every other outrage has been dropped on a biweekly basis. It'd be dropped like ice. People want to get to the bottom of it. It doesn't matter left or right. No, they don't.

Yes, they do. They blow like a reading. So you think this is a strictly political story? You think this is strictly political. 100%. You think the whole 100% Not 99%

You don't think horrible things we're done and people want to get to the bottom of it. I'm not talking about the right. If you're watching and listening, you think I'm talking about your interest? I'm actually not talking about the right. I'm talking about just the left. But why are we separating it?

Let's not mix them up. But you're making it left and right now. Because there's two different motivations. Sure. Because there's two different motivations. So you're saying the right only wants to. Rashida Taleb would Rashida Talib would drop this like a hot potato if she didn't think Donald Trump were involved.

You don't think the right loves Bill Clinton and Hillary being a part of it? I mean, yes, obviously it's political motive. I'm not talking about the right. We'll talk about the right in a minute. We'll talk about the left. Let's finish with the left. Patrick, what do you think? If it was tomorrow proven, hey guys, this is a gigantic nothing burger when it comes to Donald Trump.

But there's probably some really bad stuff to the rest of this. But when it comes to Donald Trump, there's no there. would it continue? Would Rashida Talib wear a pin that says release the files? No, I think everything is motivated by Donald Trump. Taking down Donald Trump. And it's been that with like ice. Would the commenters in all caps?

Would the commenters in all caps be there? Those commenters? If it had nothing to do with Donald Trump. Are the right? There are viewers. Those commenters are not lefties. There are some. They've been in our chat way before this.

We got both. Sure. There can be both. but there are ratings that say release the files. They don't care about anything except releasing the files. Okay, yes, I agree. There's a different motivation on the right. I'm just pointing out that the current obsession and so much that it reaches the halls of Congress during the State of the Union

and it's in the comment section, it is about what Donald Trump said it's about, a hoax to get Donald Trump. That's what it's about. It's not just that. Now, it's not just that. story. I'm talking about the left's obsession with the story. The story is bigger than that, without a doubt. And that's why, Dan, there was interest in it dating back to the early 2000s and why the meme started. Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. Yeah, there are people, a lot of people, primarily on the right, maybe even exclusively on the right, who are

interested in, is there this group of people out there who have done untoward things? But you guys know what I think. That's not the story. The story is, who was Jeffrey Epstein? How was it facilitated? What was the motivation? Who was he working for? These things. That's what I think the story is about. I think the right, I think there's a significant percentage of the right that believes that there will be a huge pedophile ring exposed by this. That's different. And I think that I don't think that's true. I don't think they will ever see that, not just because it will be covered up. But it's a lot more involved. I mean, it's not just that. There's a lot more. Yeah. That's the thing.

There's a lot more to this story. It's about power. So much. Yeah. I don't think we'll ever get it. We'll ever get the truth. Never. But the point is, it's just your, it's just your flavor of the month that will go away for the left.

Those lefty politicians are full of crap, though. I agree with you on that. Like, they're. they are with that. I was more just talking about... And the Brooklyn brunch crew. They don't care. And the Brooklyn brunch crew.

They don't care about it at all at all. They don't talk about this ever. All right. It's women. And the 19 year old on my set. He doesn't care. Mostly. No, but I think a lot of them are kind of like at the mercy of the media and those

politicians and that machine. They're like, wait, I should read this. And their attention gets diverted. So it's like, that's why COVID was such a big deal for them where they're, you know, wearing masks and getting. the vaccine and doing all these things because you were being in the end group and it's like

and now we've shifted to the new flavor of the most thing. You're right you're right there because the amount of women I know that are deep diving into the Epstein files that is like the biggest mind blown to me that I would never think they would care this much are just like reading it every day and be like, did you know this?

Do you know there's human meat and McDonald's cheeseburgers? Like it's crazy. Like that's what that's like what that's how crazy this has gotten. It's nuts. And those are the people that were following ice around just a month ago. They weren't. They're not the ones I know.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. They had a whistle in their mouth a month ago. Yes. Yes. Good. What are the comments saying, Dan?

Before we, I'm just curious. Dan's an idiot. This guy sucks. Get him off screen. No, I'm kidding. Joking. People are saying they don't really care. Like, I don't believe that.

someone's saying, sorry, well, you, you've chalked this up to a political got you, and it's far deeper than that. I said it's deeper than that. I'm talking about people's motivations. But they're saying you're making it out. I'm sorry, I get frustrated when I say something, and I'm overt and clear about what I'm talking about. I'll put it on me. I'm not being clear in my communication then. I'm not saying there's nothing there to the story.

I'm saying the motivation of people driving it into the center of the spotlight is not driven by a person. finding that there to the story. Driving into the spotlight, shouldn't that be a good thing? Either way, whatever the motivation is? No, because it's not. It's all, it's, it's the hoax. It will go away like that, Dan. But it's only the hoax.

Right, but it should be driven into the spotlight, no matter how. I mean, I know it's ridiculous. I agree with you, but like, it should be driven there. I need to read more into the thousands of pages of the Epstein file. I mean, Zachary Levi talked, Dude, Zachary Levi talking about human sacrifice. He brought up human sacrifice. I almost followed up with him, but I'm like, I don't even know.

There's a lot of that in there. Just, you know, don't search out of food topics. Don't search food words or anything like that. I mean, it's pretty incredible. But I think you said it on the show a week ago or something like that. It was designed to have so many things in it. Documents, pictures, videos that you just get confused and lost in it. So no matter what, you're never going to.

know all of it or know the truth because it just is such a big, vast thing that you can't get to get your head around all of it. Dude, it's also media. The media had the power to investigate this story for a long time and they shut it down.

Right? And now Cash Patel drinks a beer with the hockey team and I see media and journalists going, Cash Patel should be focused on Epstein. What are you talking about, man? You have no sincere desire for the truth. That's what I'm talking about. All right.

Let's call it. Let's call it. It's been an hour and 13 minutes. What do you say? Let's call it. Blow the whistle. Not the ice whistle. The end of the game whistle.

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