Will Cain Country - How Did Rage Against The Machine Become The Machine?

Episode Date: May 31, 2023

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How did rage against the machine become the machine? How do companies like Target, Bud Light, or all of our comedians who have lost their way, find their way back? A conversation with comedian, John Christ. It's the Will Kane podcast on Fox News. podcast. What's up? And welcome to Wednesday. Welcome to the week after the holiday. After Memorial Day. As always, I hope you will download rate and review this podcast wherever you get your audio entertainment. I've been out and I've missed you for the better part of a week.

Last week before Memorial Day, my family and I took a little family vacation. We went to Spain. We've done this. I don't know if we've done. it every year, but I would say at least every 18 months. A trip, just the four of us, my wife, my two boys, and we go exploring. We've done Puerto Rico, spent some time in old San Juan. We've gone to Italy, toured through Rome, and then hit the countryside, small towns on the Adriatic Sea. Our favorite trip, I think, would be voted unanimously, was a road trip across America where we spent almost a month in a car going National Park to National Park, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, we went to Mount Rushmore, up to Montana. It was an awesome trip

together across America. But last week we decided, hey, let's go to Spain. And there was a lot of different inspirations for our trip to Spain. We wanted to see if we could catch a top-notch soccer game before the season was over somewhere, Syria in Italy, Bundesliga in Germany, La Liga in Spain, or Premier League in England. We wanted to see Barcelona. I had to lay over there one time and absolutely loved the food. So we wanted to see, hey, we're somewhere we could get away for about four days. We're pretty economical travelers. We don't go five-star. We use hotel points as many different places as we can go. And most of our vacations are kind of, like I said, exploration and physical.

We hike, we walk, and learn to us new history. And Spain was awesome. When we got to Spain on a red eye, we immediately rented a car and drove two hours north of Barcelona to an area of Spain called Costa Brava. It is the stretch essentially on the Mediterranean Sea between Barcelona. Salona and France. They suggest it's like the California of Spain. In terms of geography, it's these beautiful, impossible cliffs dropping off down into the water with towns, little villages built into, almost embedded into the cliffs. And then what that creates is these little coves up and

down these cliffs where you have beaches. They're protected beaches without much ocean chop coming in, but they're pretty and they're not big. Some of them are like backyard-sized beaches, and they are backyards for some of these homes that just almost drip down the cliff. You come out and you're in like a, you know, 25-yard stretch of beach with a cove to match, a little tiny mouth spilling out into yet another cove. The area that we ended up was this town called Begur, and it's a town of only 5,000 people that I think gets more hip and happening and more alive during the summer. It was pretty much since we had beat the season, a ghost town, but it's got all these

little satellite fishing villages up along the coast like Agua Blava or Fournells. And we stayed in one called Fournells. And I'm telling you, you like walk these beach paths, stairs and steps, not a flat piece of ground anywhere to be found and you're going through and around people's homes you feel like this has got to be a private walkway but it's not it's just this stretch it actually goes for miles and miles and miles up and down the coast just up and down and around along the water up around the mountain and will spill you out onto some beach i saw this twitter thread recently about the concept of vernacular architecture.

It's the kind of architecture you can really only find in old towns, in old places, within history, not honestly in America. By the time we got to the civilizational stage in America, we were gritting out modular towns, which is great and fine for commuting. It's more efficient. It's better for sanitation, laying essential needs like electricity or plumbing. But it doesn't have the character. It doesn't have that sense of mystery of the exploration that you have when you're walking around, you know, half a millennia or millennia old villages in Europe where you're like, why is this human-sized alley here?

You walk up and down. Oh, look, here's a little sign. Oh, with a little tavern. It's awesome because you're constantly discovering. This town was certainly whatever is, vernacular architecture, because I don't know how you'd master plan a little village like Four Nels. You can look it up on Google, you can see some of these pictures. It's the kind of thing where your balcony is level with someone else's roof and then them to the next, where the street is always below you, even though you're not really on the second floor. It's amazing and it's full of wonder.

day, I think all four of us would probably rank this as our best day. We took this path over to this beach called Agua Blava. There was a restaurant on the sand and we sat there and ordered paella. Now, one thing I really appreciate about all the other three members of my family is not all of them does food exploration come naturally, but they were willing every step of the way to say, yeah, I'll try that. And no matter where we sat down to eat, I'm like, well, we're not ordering something that we could get in America. I'm always forcing somebody outside of their comfort zone. That's the way I am, in conversation and in life. So we order a pia, and it's coming out. I mean, the prawns and shrimp aren't moving, but they're not helped out in any way for you. They're full. You know, heads, tails, feet, you need to go ahead and work to get your meat out of that or the clams.

and it was really good. It was really good. It felt authentic. I ordered sardines. I ordered anchovies whenever we would go because I had amazing sardines and anchovies in Italy and I'm like, this is not what we think of and we think of anchovies in America.

They weren't always a hit, but it's always pushing it. But after we had that amazing meal, we went and sat on the beach and, you know, we poked and prodded the boys to go approach strangers who were playing soccer on the beach. Now listen, this is one. One of the things I love about the wonderful happenstance of my sons ended up playing soccer. It's the language of the world.

It's the athletic language of the world. When I was in law school, I did a semester of schooling in London, and a buddy and I went to Greece for a while. We were on the beach in Greece. And we did take a football, and we got a bunch of Brits to play football with it, and it was fun. But they played soccer, and of course, we were there, and so we played soccer. So a couple years ago when we went to Italy, my oldest son who was old enough at that time ended up on this beach playing foot volley with a bunch of Italian boys, a couple years older than him. They were 12 probably and he was nine. Foot volley is volleyball, but no hands, no arms.

So it's like juggling, chest, head, feet, all that. They couldn't speak a lick of English and my boy couldn't speak a lick of Italian, but this was their language. I guess they spoke a lick of English because I remember them saying, oh, good one, Charlie. And so we had this moment again where I pushed them here, Spain, to go up to this guy.

Now, this guy was in his 30s. He wasn't their age. He had a soccer ball and he was juggling it and Saskam. I said, go say, what is? Puedo. Por favor, Puerto Ossar,

Sue, football. Please, can I use your soccer ball? and the guy said yeah and my boy started juggling before you know it he joined him and here he was Diego from chili and my boys juggling you know feet chest shoulders head trying to get their communal number up to like 30 i don't know each of them can juggle more individually it's more fun and hard when you're kind of passing it around as you go two or three at a time and it was awesome they sat there for an hour just on this magical beach in this magical cove on the mediterranean in Spain juggling this soccer ball after having an awesome meal of Paya with some dude named Diego from Chile.

And then we set our goodbyes, walked that ridiculous staircase back to our little hotel on the cliff. Just an absolutely amazing day. Then after a couple days on the Costa Brava, we decided to go back into Barcelona and spend a couple of days in Barcelona. We've done the city tours. We loved Rome. You know, you walk, you walk, and oh my God, you walk. And we love walking. We are, as a family, somewhat averse to taking a cab.

And in Barcelona, you see Los Ramblas, which is a pedestrian street with a lot of different, you know, food and tourist options. We went into the Barcelona team store. We had to go also into the Real Madrid team store for some reason. My younger son has decided he's going to be Real Madrid over Barcelona. and we went to La Bocoria, which is an amazing market. I mean, goat heads and full fish, eyeballs, organs, which I want to, you know, I've been following the Carnivore MD on Instagram, and he's been really talking up how important and nutritious organs are, you know, liver, heart.

They had brains in the case, so I was intrigued. They had full-on intestines. They had other body parts that I wasn't capable of identifying. They had hooves, and they slice. the hooves, you know, not like deli-thin slice, but like, you know, like hockey puck slice of hoof. What do you do with a hockey puck chunk of hoof? I don't know. But then there's an assortment of chocolates to make your mind bend and then gummies of every kind. You know, I'm talking about cherries and coax and everything. And you want to buy it all right here in this

outdoor market. And of course, there's gouty. That's what Barcelona is. Architecture. It's Gaudi. It's Sagrada Familia. It's various houses and apartment complexes. We did that. We did a, what is it, Casa Batlo tour. And it's really cool. It's amazing architecture. I mean, from, what is it, from 1880s to 1920s was the time of Gaudi. And it's unique, and it's immersive, and it's amazing. But if it wasn't juggling a soccer ball in the Cove of Agu Blava, I'd say the only other moment that had a rival for best moment for our trip was to go see a La Liga game and see Espaniel versus Atletico Madrid. Now, we couldn't go see Barcelona because Barcelona was out of town.

But there's a second team in Barcelona. It's called Espanio, who's in the Premier League of Spain, La Liga. Not for long, though. They're about to be relegated. But Espaniel, you know, if you could even see it on their emblem, they have a crown. Okay, so I find this, this is one of the things I've loved about learning soccer is the deep history behind it as well. Whereas in the United States, you know, you basically have your allegiances because

of your geography, or if you're a bandwagon person or something like that, you follow your favorite player. Or your dad brainwashes you because he's from a certain geography. And they certainly care about geography, but oftentimes in one town there's multiple teams and those teams have meaning culturally and politically, more so in the past than in the present. But Español, like Real Madrid, would have at one time been the team of the federal government, the Franco government. At that time, at one time, the fascist authoritarian Franco government.

Barcelona was the team of the Catalan independence. That region of Spain is called Catalonia. And there's an independence movement, the Catalan independence movement to this day voting to secede from Spain. And it is the team of separatism, of independence of pride in Catalonia. That being said, I sat next to you guys, said, nonsense, I like Español, and I love my homeland as well. But there's history, even if it's, you know, in Rome, Lazio, I think traditionally was the team of the fascist government back in the day. You know, I can't remember all of them. And in England, I don't think it had as neat and tidy historic or political divides.

do, may have, and I'm just ignorant of it. But that's my, that's one of the things I love about following it, is learning all of this about various teams. So we went to the Espaniel Athletico Madrid game, because Madrid was visiting Espaniel. Cupsal of observation. So Espaniel Stadium is about 20 minutes outside of Barcelona. It'd be like coming to Dallas and going to a cowboy game, and then finding out the stadium's actually, you know, out in Arlington.

You're like, oh, Arlington, okay. Well, I guess I won't take the subway or walk. How do I get there? So we got a taxi. Immediately I start thinking, well, these people haven't figured out the ownership of teams in my one sample size estimation, how to monetize professional sports in the same way American owners have. I mean, you build a stadium here, and the owner buys up all the real estate around the stadium. Of course, he outsources the building of the stadium to the local taxpayers as well. But he buys the real estate around it, and he then leases it and develops it into restaurants and shopping.

So when you go now, if I go to a Texas Rangers game out in Arlington, there's the Cowboy Stadium right there, but there's also Texas Live and shops and restaurants so that I want to show up three hours early to spend more of my money around the stadium. And if I don't, and I happen to go into the stadium, the concessions and merchandising, it's ridiculous and over the top. And you can't make your way through a game in America without money falling out of your pocket. Now, not so in Spain, at least at Espanio. And people had said to me, the cab drivers said, oh, they have a very nice new stadium. New to them means 2009. It was built in 2009. But it's in the middle of, I mean, there's nothing around it.

Like no real development, no restaurants. And once you're in there, concessions, not easy to find. And my humble American capitalistic estimation, they're leaving money on the table. But there's also something pure about it, because once you get in there and sit down, people are taking sandwiches out of their backpack or whatever and just eating home food. Another observation. Boy, the Spanish, they're night owls. That game started at 10 p.m. It wasn't over till 1230.

I think that's unique even in Europe. I don't know what the Italians do. The English, because I watch, and if I do my math right, they're like Americans. They start a game at 7 or 8 p.m. 10 p.m. local time. I'm not talking about, you know, a West Coast game, tipping off at 10 p.m. in the eastern time zone.

I'm talking about in the time zone you're in. The game starts at 10 These are party animals How do kids go to school? How do people stay awake? The game was awesome It was almost a fight that broke out Español is in rough times

They're about to be relegated I mean that means they're going to drop down to a second level They're one of the bottom three teams in La Liga They immediately fell down Three to Nuffin to Atletico Madrid Who is one of the top Three teams, they're right there Little notch blow Barcelona and Real Madrid

And they have superstars. stars like Antoine Griseman, and they jumped out to a 3-0 lead. And there was a lot, a lot of tension in the crowd. Almost a fight. A couple Athletico Madrid fans in front of us. They made the mistake of celebrating the second goal. And some dude, two dudes, about, I'd say 10 rows above us, we had nice seats, and not that expensive.

Really awesome to see professional soccer from that vantage point. Like, I could hear the players talking and yelling at each other. Really awesome. In soccer, the higher you get, you can see more tax. tactical stuff like you can see the guy the whole field and the players move and see the aerial tactics of it i don't think i don't think there's a bad seat in soccer down low you can see the interpersonal physicality and communication of it so a guy tin rose up from us who's like there was that movie with pat uh patten oswald where he's like this giants or jet super fan obsessive this guy

looked like that like he was taking this three o defeat very very seriously and he wanted to who yell at these Athletico Madrid fans, he and another guy, who they weren't together. We don't speak Spanish. I mean, I speak enough Spanish to get in trouble. But I could identify a few words. And my sons, Google translated the one they heard the most. Okay? It translates into a lot of things, including, I believe, Hooker.

It starts with a P. And I don't even know if I can Spanish cuss on this podcast. I don't know. Would they beep out a Spanish cuss word? Don't know. But then the Español fans around the Athletico fans took up for the

Athletico fans and yelled back at the Español and I don't know what they were saying there was all in Spanish and it was very animated very angry. I assume it was something like you're giving us a bad name, calm down, you loser I don't know. Cops came over had to chill everybody out. And then something amazing happened.

A total comeback. Españo one goal. two goals they tie it up three goals i mean the stadium's going bananas and these people who've grown up with this team right and they live and die by espaniel including the crazy guy 10 rolls behind me these people they had nothing nothing on my 12 year old west within a rival and by the kickoff of the second half, there was no bigger Espaniel fan in the stadium.

Couldn't have been. Sorry, couldn't be. This is my same child who watching March Madness with me decided out of the blue because they were on TV. I don't remember who it was. Oh, it was Creighton. That he was a gigantic Creighton fan. I said, where is Creighton?

I don't know. What's their mascot? I don't know. But he cried when Creighton lost. But how could you feel so quickly there? You know nothing. You've never. That's who he is.

is all the way in. God help him when he meets some girl. God help him. All the way in, immediately, right away, most passionate person you can find there. He's yelling for red cards, send them off. I mean, people are turning to him and to us now as a compatriot for their allegiance to Espaniol. They're saying things to him in Spanish. Yeah, no. They're saying things, you know, Blueno, you know, I don't even know. Okay. And he's, you know, he's nodding and he's with them he's not with me now he's with them he's one of them send him off and he knows every player by the way because he plays FIFA he's insane about this right now he plays FIFA and watches YouTube videos about FIFA and he knows every player on every team and

he was telling me the best players on Espaniel but it was amazing it ultimately ended up in a three three tie then from the highlight was the low light how do you get home from Arlington back to Dallas. How do I get home from this subway back to Barcelona? No cabs. No Uber. Two children. Middle of the night. I'm telling you, 12.30. 1 o'clock. Gigantic line for the train. I was like, babe, I don't even know which direction to take the train, and I can't read it. And by the way, one more thing. I speak a little bit of Spanish. I speak no Catalan. Every sign, the first is their local language, Catalan, then Spanish. Maybe English down the wrong. road. I don't know which way to go. I said, we can follow the crowd. We could try doing that.

I tried Uber. I tried finding, we walked way way from a train station and find a taxi. Finally, we just submitted that we were going to be the people that held up the entire line, don't know how to buy a ticket. I'm going to just do this by Braille. I'm bumping into everything and I'm asking for help. And you know what? When you do that, it works out. The lady spoke English, helped us buy tickets. Another guy spoke English, said, take it to the station. Another guy said this is the last train you have to get on this train there's no subway running this late at night okay okay thank you thank you take the train back into barcelona it's now one 30 in the morning and we decide we can either walk back to the hotel it's a 35 minute walk or we can try to hustle

down a cab and what do we do because it's what we do we walked we walked home for 35 minutes Barcelona at night, not full of zombies like New York. I saw very few homeless, no crazy, insane people yelling at me on the street, no drug addicts that I could see. And I covered a lot of Barcelona in my walking. And we got back to the hotel at 2, 2.30, whatever it may have been, went to bed one of the longest days, the nights of our lives, but it was absolutely so much fun. And here's the long and short of it.

I gave you that sort of travel log. and I really could have left you with just this. Man, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you're in Costa Brava, Barcelona, or Italy, or Yellowstone National Park in America. It doesn't matter. The most awesome thing about it was simply the cliched family time. I sat by the pool and I had day drinks with my wife and we talked. I had dinner with the four of them and we talked and it's different.

It's different than sit at your table on a week night after soccer practice before. homework and having dinner together that's important too but this is different trying new foods hanging out getting to know each other in a different way we've done this like i said half a dozen times different places and i hope that we can keep doing it as they get older because this is the time when i get to hang out with my kids where i'm not always dad i'm not always on them do your homework have you whatever lifted juggled go to bed take a shower none of that I don't care have a Coke for lunch what would you like I'm not going to say no we're gonna have fun we're gonna talk try something new

order some food you want to try that yes you may have it and I I get to learn who they are as people and I really like the people in my family I would encourage you however wherever find that family time John Christ is a comedian he has a new out, it's entitled, John Christ would like to make a statement, would like to release a statement. He has released a statement. That special is out on YouTube. It's his comedy special. It was fun to hang out with John a little bit earlier this week. We talked about the state of comedy, how you form a joke. What happened? Is there an opening for someone that doesn't necessarily have to be conservative, but just reflect some values for comedians to once again be truth tellers? I think you will enjoy this conversation with John Chris.

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at foxnewspodcast.com or wherever you download podcasts all right let's john chris um who would like to release in the studio would like to release this statement's been released it has been released the special has been released um man talk to me so i'm fascinated by comedy as a process

but i'm more fascinated to begin this conversation with it as like a market yeah what i mean by that is everyone's talking about oh look at bud light they clearly misjudge the market whatever there is happening to their company in their sales and their bottom line it's been same thing with target yeah yeah it's definitely real it's definitely really it's like no no it's really it's definitely real and then there's you and what i'm getting at at some point in the i'd say we're now a good five years into it maybe everybody looked at the landscape of comedy entertainment goes it's just missing the mark it's missing the market yeah yeah

it's well it comedy was always supposed to be like like counter cultural like kind of the guy the big you know the president you like like like the court jester and the comic was always supposed to be kind of keeping everybody honest and then you see like a you see like you would think a comic would be anti-vax just by the nature of what we do we're the guys that somebody on TV goes hey you need to No questions asked. You need to do this. And every would go, wait, what? You would think. And that's what you say. Like, everybody was like doubling down on it. On like getting, like, following the government and the mandates and whatever side you want to be on that.

But like, how come there's no, there was very few voices in comedy, like over the pandemic that were like, hey, I don't think so. Very few. I was one of them, but very few. let's rewind back to that time so you're right the idea of the comic even going back i love how you take it as far back as the court jester is supposed to be i don't know that we could say the comic was always the truth teller um the comic wasn't always right not always right but one thing the comic did was go against the grain that's what that's what you're saying go against the consensus and then in that moment in in that time you're right like there were so few comics who were willing to do that

And most comics actually became the enforcers of consensus. Which was like, yeah, you would watch like, you would watch like the late shows, like during the Trump era. They would just crush him. I'm just looking at it objectively. They would just crush him. And they're still like, they're still like, and whether what are you going to say, but like Seth Myers and like all the are still going after Trump on there. There's no like, it doesn't go the other way. Well, and I'm, like, I'm thinking about Colbert in his, like, vaccine scene thing he would do.

And Kimmelin, they were, like, coming very hard about, like, anyone who didn't get it was like, I thought, I go, wait, guys, I thought we were this. And if you're going to go, yeah, I thought we were the anti, like the correspondence dinner, right? You always have the comic go in there and kind of, regardless of who the president. Regardless, and you kind of rib him a little bit. But now everybody goes, I'm not. It's too risky. For a lot of them, it's too risky. Well, okay, then you're leading me to what I'm actually trying to get at here.

What do you think was revealed about the psychology of so many of those people during that time? Like, they were fake rebels all this time. Like, so they clearly, I think the comic, and I think it's bigger than comics. I think it's musicians. Oh, yeah. It's actors. They considered themselves countercultural, to your point. Yeah, yeah.

and rebels and then all of a sudden you're not a rebel you're not a you're not just a sheep yeah but you're the head sheep telling everybody else to get in fine the idea of rage against the machine had a tour and you know like I'm 39 so rage against the machine kind of when I was in high school was like this kind of like like we're not listening to our parents type energy and they were like mandatory vacs at their show dude it's like That's a lit. How rage against the machine has become the machine. Yes,

was like you have to have a Vax card to get into the rage against the machine show. It's absurd, dude. Like, how will we not be like, what guys? Or like, you should at least, like, on either side, like, what you call in comedy is, in essence, like punching up. Like, big corporations or the president or CEO of Apple, you can kind of wrote, you can make fun of up. But, like, making fun of someone down, like someone that's, you know, less income or homeless, that's a little bit of it. You always be punching up. And they're like, guys, why can't we, y'all, no one's going to say anything?

So do you think they missed it, John? Like, this is what I'm trying to get out. Were they always followers? Did they always want to fit in? Were they never rebels? Were they only, were they only, like, say, rewind even those people back to the middle school, you know, lunchroom table. Were they just looking for their crew to fit in in? you know fit into or did they not realize that the flip the script had flipped did they not realize

that no now you are the power now you have the power right well you everybody kind of goes and sarah silverman i think said this in an interview that you kind of go wherever the love is or the attention let's not even say love let's just say attention or likes so you got people on the right and the left that you're like how did they become that they just kind of either tweeted or said some and then everybody was like yeah and then they're like i guess i'll just kind of go down this path and then a lot of tick a lot of the algorithms on tic talk or everybody's always talking about you know if you use this audio clip it'll go viral if you want to go viral if you want to get the algorithm yep yeah yeah but to say what like

if you had all the eyes on you all you had all the the algorithm the juice the heat everyone who looking at you like do you have anything to say do you have any substance do you have any point of view do you believe in anything or is it just kind of wherever the likes are or wherever the attention is yeah well that makes sense to me when it comes to actors actors mainly because i'm not actors are it's its own form of art and but it's not an art that requires i hope this is not unfair deep intellect it's a different skill of you know make believe and pretend you're trying to absolve yourself of intellect actually yeah and not even a disrespectful way to go to take on someone else's yeah system yeah and you kind of tell you don't take

on there like if i'm going to act as somebody it's not my job so much to get inside their thought process but how they feel and what they who they are ethos yeah yeah but comedians are supposed to sort of like look under the paper and look into the dark crevices and see things that we don't see I think musicians also are supposed to look beyond the obvious. Do a better job of it, yeah. If you're making fun of something here, you have to be up here to kind of look down to observe it in a way that's funny. Like if you're easy example for everybody,

it's like you watch a commercial with the side effects of the prescription are worse than the thing that it actually solves. You're like, if you have restless leg syndrome, this could cause nausea, stroke, death. You're like, goodness. Their loss, impotacy, but you're like, dang. You're like, this seems like a lot. You have to observe that from a different level to make light of it.

So you kind of have to see things. I think comics are a lot of artists. They're just going around ingesting everything from the world and trying to make art out of it. And sometimes it comes out. Sometimes it doesn't. But, yeah. Yeah, I think what I was latching onto as well is when you say, you know, you've got the spotlight on. you now. So what do you have to say? What we've learned, we should have known anyway, is fame is not

correlated to insight. Just because you're famous doesn't mean you have something. You think we should have learned that by now. Yeah, you think so. As it turns out, it should be like an equation up on the wall. Fame is not correlated. Yeah. Where somebody, you're like, wait, why are we listening to them about this again? Right. Yeah. Fame is not core. But a lot of people, you would think you see kids right now like i would i would think let's say taylor swift or somebody that just she liked when she was a kid i'll take me for example you like to do this thing when i was with my cousins i would like to make them laugh right you just like to make and i would make these dumb videos on my youtube comment growing up just because i like to do it i thought it was

fun to do taylor swift just like to play music just like to write music just like to write songs All this fame, I don't know or personally, but is a byproduct is an almost kind of a consequence of the art. And you see people now that just want to be fame. Like that's not a destination. Right. That is a, well, that's not going to last for you. That's not going to take you anywhere. But if you do something and you love, if you're LeBron James, you love to play this game, fame came with that.

your goal was never just fame and that's what you see a lot today let's talk about that process that can end up in fame i'm always fascinated by everyone's process uh writers uh comics whatever it may be uh because what the end result of the process is to the consumer is oh it's so easy and it's so natural when what i've learned and what we all should know is it's not i mean a book is uh a you know 12th draft of something through several editors that probably yeah yeah yeah And a joke is the same way. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

People say, I mean, you go to like open mic night on Monday night, and you just got a kind of a pad and a piece of paper, and you just kind of, like, if you're a band, you can practice it in the studio until it gets good and then take it out. A comic cannot. We just have to, well, here's this, and sometimes they like it, sometimes they don't. If you're a true comic that you love the art,

you would be you would be you enjoy that process you you're psych to walk over to the comedy club and go oh man I got this we'll see Jerry Seinfeld if he's been on state of you had been doing it for 30 years that the rush that when you got a brand new one and you're like you would think you would know by 30 years in what's going to do good and what's not and you still don't you have to try it live in front of at least 30, 40 people to see if it has legs. You know, I think the New York Times had an article. This was a while back about a year in the life of a joke, and it was Seinfeld, I think. And it was how the joke started on a piece of paper.

Yeah. And then as you said, he tried it out in front of this audience. And then he changed this word. And then he changed the order of these two words just to see over a year's time the different impact it had an audience. Until you get to the final result, the special, which you just did a special. And how many times that joke had evolved in that time? And it looks like you're just like off the top of your head. Or it looks like you're just, what else is going on?

And you're like, that's not even close to how. If a great comic, when the final product is done, like John Mayer makes it look easy. But he's been practicing that for. By the time you get to the special, does it feel done? Or does it feel like, I've got to do it now? Yeah, some comics are worried about. kind of overcooking it. So you talk with your agent, a comedy special is about an hour. So you go, hey, how much, where are you at material-wise? Like, are you got 45 minutes from your old

stuff to the new stuff? Do you have an hour? And then you tell a joke. And there's like kind of like maybe like a law of like diminishing returns. Let's say even something about like COVID. Like that's going to not be good. It's not a good now. But like like the more far you go from, the less it's going to work. So you go, I probably got to get on this post it now, or it gets like a kind of like a delayed. And you're like, man, you could hear the joke. If you do five, six shows in a weekend,

it's starting to, like a Bud Light joke. It was like killing. Now you just have to, I might move it to like a Target joke or something. But even those things that, that you couldn't put that on the special because by the time a special comes out, that's going to be, that's so like this week. that it might yeah

what do you have a rhythm like I don't know again I think this might have been Bill Burr I heard talking about this like I don't know comedy bro yeah you know all the comics yeah was it a 12 month cycle or 18 month cycle he was saying

where you know basically leading up to the next special yeah right do you have a rhythm like that? We probably do so we shot one last June just came out so we'll price you one in December

so like 18 months probably but you're but if you don't have one on the schedule you're kind of just in this land of, like, what are we doing? Like, if you don't have one set on the calendar, if I'm having one in December, I got, what, seven months to see where I'm at, tighten things up.

It's like training camp. If you don't know when the first game is, you're just out of here. And where does it start? On paper? Run and laps. Yeah, yeah. My buddy said to me yesterday, he goes, we live in the South. I live in Nashville.

He lives in Nashville. His mom was, like, very, very close. Christian we were we were on lunch yesterday and he goes my mom so his mom like believes in like the rapture like Jesus is going to come back and right which and he said my mom sent me an email the other day's like in case of the rapture like here's my Facebook password here's my credit cards and and he at first he was like honored because he was like she thinks I'm the responsible one I'm the executor and then he goes wait so you think that I'll still be here that I'll still be here after the right of share it is like a and he like called his he called his like siblings he's

like hey did you y'all get this email they were like no which is like i go my goodness that's funny i go can i like can i tell like can i and i would so that my buddy nick told me that story that's a real story so i would he's not a comic no he told me that at lunch yesterday so you get that for free i will i ask him i go can i use that and then i go i would of course make it me so i go my mom and so every comic stories are like true but they're they're not they're kind of a collaboration and i would like probably add to it i go the only person that got the email was like me and my brother who voted democrat or like you would make yeah you would make it funny and or that you would exaggerate you would embellish that story and you're like man

and if but if i like i just in essence ran that by you and you're like that you just know that it has legs right you don't know quite what it's going to become or anything but you're like there's something there but it took you a second to get it yes so then i was like all right maybe i got to re-go back and but but you know i even think that if you let it sit yeah maybe you let it sit yeah because jerry seinfeld said a joke and a punchline is walking everybody up to a cliff right if the if the cliff is right right if the if the cliff is right here you just step over it it's like a knock knock joke there's no work there's no reward if the cliff is over here everyone jumps and doesn't make it so and they're like what we didn't get that

one so it the setup and the punchline some have to you you want to work to get over there and you want to also lose a couple people and the ones that got over are like this is the best joke i've ever heard in my life that's really good analogy yeah because the little leap isn't fun enough It's like in the newspaper or something. It's like a joke. It's like, da-da-da-da. And then one that's like, I mean, I've scrolled past some on TikTok, and I'm a comedian. I go, like, did I miss?

Right. Did I, what is it? What's the joke? And then it has like, you know, 150 million likes. You're like, all right, somebody's getting it. I'm losing it. But then you watch it two, three times. Then you go, oh, my.

Like, those are the best jokes. Man, you've mentioned Jerry Seinfeld. So have I now. but you've mentioned him twice so I guess I'm gonna ask this question in two different ways then first like who do you study

like if you've read books by people or even gone to their sets or whatever however you study a comedian who is that well you would study my cat Williams is my favorite comedian I like I grew up watching

Brian Regan and another comic named Tim Hawkins and but a lot of the guy Bill Burr is one of the guys doing it now that I think is well to be honest he's very very anti-countercultural

that you go I can't believe he's saying this right but it's like it's like he had this joke about like never hit a woman yeah I mean that when you say counterculture like doing things you're like to do but it's so funny yeah he had a joke about he's like is is is being a mom like really the hardest job oh yeah he's he's being facetious but it's just so

you're looking around like gosh like he the the joke about everybody's going back and forth on abortion it's such a serious topic and he goes on one hand he goes with the thing about the cake yes he goes yeah but if you put a cake you mix everything at the cake and put it in the oven And after two minutes, you pulled it out of the oven and smashed it. You're like, it's not a cake. I was like, yeah, it was going to be. And it's like, and you just put it, that's what a comic should be doing. That's what all the comics should be doing, looking at everything.

Yeah. And I would even say looking at conservatives too. Yeah, I think that's absolutely. Looking at everybody and going, hey. And when we lose, like, when a, there's such comics being. like canceled for what they're saying is like well we kind of should be being that that's yeah you should be like kind of being kicked off places or like that's kind of your if everyone if you're like on the red carpet like it's kind of like a little bit of a dangerous place to be like

I mean invited like yes yeah kind of now but we there's still like the award show shows for like the best comic but but with the with the athletes and the musicians and the comics are celebrities now comics weren't usually celebrities but now we are also have money and are on the red carpets and are have followings as big as and or bigger than other people but it sacrifices every time you see like that's why comics most all the comics just have podcast and a lot of them are huge similar to this is just because you can kind of say whatever you want but if a comic if a comic takes a sprint ad and now he's got two million dollars in his pocket from sprint or T-Mobile or whoever it just gets a little a little

like diluted a little bit but that's everybody everybody has to feed their family that's me too yeah I'm not here to be like I'm the freedom of speed like Come on. That's everybody. My goal is to be honest with my audience. In that respect, you would have to acknowledge. Look, there's ads pay for the content unless the consumer pays for the content. And the purest form of comedy, or perhaps what I do, would be subscription or purchase or a la carte.

But even then, if you're on some platform to get them there, either Patreon or YouTube, even the purest ones, they're like, all right, let's, if we're going on the daily wire versus you're going on Netflix, you're, all right, who's. who's paying for this you kind of right and but everybody's diluted a little but you can't be 100% of the purest because you still have to go to a comedy club and they still have to you can't just go out on the street corner and say stuff you can hey it's interesting you bring a podcast every um every comedian has a podcast the guy that made me think about this and he's not a stand-up comic is will feral so so will feral you know had a run there and everybody has a run in any business my business sports your business a heck of a run yeah it was an amazing run yeah i'm not saying it's over either um but there was

a there was a period i don't know it may have been a decade where it's just like everything he did was hilarious the will pharaoh era right yeah yeah but john i always felt and this is subjective but okay then he goes and he sits down with um whoever uh you know like jimmy kimmel or Whoever it may be, right? And I'm like, not as funny as the guy I see in the movies. And what it made me realize is not just the process we talked about earlier, but the skill set. It's like, it's, okay, I think we said and we think, your comic, that means you're funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you're funny all the time in any medium. And that's not true. I see these comics on podcasts and like, oh, that's not that funny. You know, like, yeah, it just made, I don't know if there's an athlete, an athlete's or sports um analogy there but the the idea in of there's their stand-up comedians there's sketch comedians and then there's i don't know what improv he'll be improv comics so like a like a come up at like second city like a that type of thing where somebody writes if you're sitting down to write a script and you're in hollywood you're like will feral you're writing it for will feral i don't know

what he's like on in real life because no he's not a comic it's not a comic he's not a stand-up right uh Vince Vaughn had a comedy absolutely remember that the comic was it whatever it's called the comedy something and he brought out for comics he just he could sell tickets he just came out at the beginning and it was like what's up good to see it tells a funny story now i have comics right because he's not a what's her in a tina fay not a not a stand-up right uh improv comic it's saturday night live comic yeah and sometimes you get under the hood a little bit and you're like maybe maybe there were maybe it was best that they were just in the movies because all the celebrities prior to like 2006 like who is tom cruz who is tom hanks we don't know right you know him from the roles now people you know them because they're social media we're going to step aside here for a moment stay tuned News Audio presents unsolved with James Patterson. Every crime tells the story, but some stories are left unfinished. Somebody knows. Real cases, real people. Listen and follow now at foxtruecrime.com.

What do you think right now is the height of a comic's achievement? Like, if you're working towards something, what are you working towards? I mean, you would say, honestly, the biggest, the biggest, I don't know what this says about the industry or not, but the biggest, the best thing you could do in all seriousness is be on Rogan. His podcast? Yeah. And that would be bigger than the Tonight Show. That'd be bigger than a, I mean, you want to have your art out there, so you have to have a medium to produce specials.

But he's even, Rogan's even said he's going to put his next one on YouTube. His next, his next special. So there's no, you go, if you get a special on Netflix and you don't connect with algorithm you're done you gotta go if you're not on the top 10 and you want to watch my i go hey dude check out my special you got to go into search j then you're done oh yeah h you're done right if it's not so you go if it if it goes over there great but it could i think you're you're you want to sell tickets so so the you want to sell live to the height is to make it to rogan's podcast because then whatever you do it will sell tickets yeah yeah yeah here's why i asked you

question though. So again, we've invoked him several times. So I remember Signsville talking of this. If you were a stand-up comic in the 80s and 90s, the height of your achievement would be to get a network sitcom. So like, okay, this is back to what we were talking about in a minute ago. So the height of your achievement, you're going to do stand-up and you're going to become the best stand-up. And the height of your achievement means you're going to go do something else. Because a sitcom is something different. Back to these skill sets, it didn't make any sense. A way different skill set, by the way. Right. It doesn't make any sense that okay you've become the best at this

that means you now have permission to do something completely different or think about Jimmy Fallon or think about Stephen Colbert was it was it unbelievable like Stephen Colbert unbelievable social commentary when he was on the daily show there was nothing better

him and John Stewart and that was a great example of keeping everybody honest the daily show back in the day was keeping everybody honest and now you're like interviewing

like Kim Kardashian about her like children's book right you're like oh this is what we're doing so he doesn't or like a Fallon yeah there a lot of like

I would that wouldn't be my goal to host to become a variety show host no late show host that would not be my goal because you want to get

the things that are in here and in here out effectively but again a sitcom Maybe if he, I mean, what do you got to do to get to syndication? Three seasons or something like that? I don't know what it is anymore.

Yeah, but I don't know what it is. Yeah, who even knows? That's what the cash was to go into syndicate. But go into, like when, when radio first came out, radio was out of, but all the personalities are on radio. And now they're on television. It's like to go from internet popularity to television is like we have, we have. seven million followers ourselves.

So like to go to a streamer that has less followers than we do would be like, why would you go over there? You could do it yourself. If you had the financing to produce it, everybody just wants to own their own stuff and get to their people. The Louis CK thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just put it on your own website.

Why would you get, now he had ads on TV. Right. But he's like, well, why would I, that doesn't make sense. Why would I go over to Netflix unless they can get you to a large audience? that you already have but he's the biggest so it seems like comics are more like the height of your profession is more in line with the actual profession itself these days like the thing that you hope you hope to do is exactly what you're doing yeah just to the biggest possible audience and an audience that is actually to your point yeah dedicated to you they find you yeah so

if you go if if you make so you just want to make the stuff that you have to get out and if you put in you in the easiest way to share anything is youtube so you go hey here's if it's behind a paywall there's a less people are going to see it but if you want to get the ideas out if you if you if you do something of note that is exceptional everyone in this country will see it tomorrow you and me everybody the producer if he makes something that is unbelievable we will see it tomorrow. You just need Rogan to tell everybody about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You need Rogan to tell everybody about it. Well, it depends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But again, what are you going on Rogan for? You're going to get them into your kind of sphere of influence, I guess. So if somebody watches.

Have you been on Rogan? I have not, no. Well, what's going on? Neither have I. Yeah. How can we get this to happen? Yeah, what do we know? I don't think, I don't think it's that simple. Yeah, yeah. What about YouTube? Has YouTube ever told you, has it ever, has it ever, in any way, soft or hard control the things that you say that's the again nothing is a hundred percent sincere but it's like it's less so but there's the guys the knelt boys who have one of the biggest podcasts had i mean this is back in 2021 had trump on is that full send yeah and then got them removed yeah they go just as hate speech or this is uh against our policy is when it's gone so and then when if you if they take away your

platform you're done you're not done but and then you self-censor they don't have to exert hard influence on you you start looking at the things they get people deep platform and you start saying to yourself

I'm not going to write that joke a little bit yeah so if you I remember going to one of our last specials it was like where is this going and who I can't legally say who was doing it because we're still kind of

going back and forth with them but they go you have to take this part out and I go really like that's the joke that we can't say it was just like and then if you go tell me what the joke was yeah the joke is I go you ever had someone ask you to pray for something so stupid you just go I ain't praying for that and then it's like it's a it's a joke on our faith the way we grew up as like one of my aunt's friends down in florida goes there's a hurricane coming towards the shores like we have a we have a our friends have a seven million house on the beach and it's right in this can you pray and i go what who's supposed to pray for that's like a with all the widows and orphans and missionaries all around the world jesus uh be with all the orphans

and windows and missionaries also you know the goldsteins and i just thought goldstein the sim with the jerry sionfeld i thought what what name would encompass like rich people that's all i was thinking i was like you know, like, Jesus, you know the Jackson's, that doesn't, or you know the Millers, that doesn't, it's like, the, it's the name that got the, the good, they, because it's anti-Semitic. Really? Because they say, you don't say Goldstein's.

But if you said, Kane, it'd have been fine. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or, so we change it to like, like, Greenbergs or something like, or something, but that's still, yeah, that's still Jewish. And then I go, they let that slide, but I had to go in and audio like this in a studio and redo the live

audio. Really? Yeah, you can see it on the special. But wait, wait, wait, so okay, if you use a stereotype of a rich person who use a Jewish name,

that's anti, no, not a Jewish name. Use Goldstein, that's anti-Semitic. But you replaced it with another Jewish name. Yeah. Greenberg, and it's not anti-Semitic? Yeah, it goes, make it make it sense.

That's what, yeah, well, that's what everybody is saying because they go, make it like, unfortunately, what got, Trump elected was trying to like silence him because like just put everything out there and let the best ideas that's what any healthy society should be but when you go yes yes yes hey don't full send you we can't you can't let people hear this you're not you are not you are not you are not an informed

intelligent adult, we don't even trust this information with you, and you go, I'm going to go on substack, I'm going to go find that, because I want to know what they're saying. That's what everybody's saying about social media. They're going to make it make sense. John, I want to ask you about this. I'm fascinated by this. I remember talking Jimmy Fallow about this. I was hanging out of a friend last night. We were talking about people in different industries. We were talking about tech, and he's like, yeah, he would make eye contact with you. You know, this guy, and he's giving me Stereotypes is like, it's a pretty big tech players. Yeah, yeah, big ones.

And I was like, I was asking Jimmy this about comedians. What do you think it is if you've been in comedy clubs, you've been in the green room behind the scenes, you've hung out with your friends with comics, what is it? There is something in you guys that innately wants to make people laugh, right? Yeah. Do you think, what do you think sort of psychoanalyzing yourself and all of people in your industry? What is that? Is it, is it insecurity? Is it a need to fit in?

Like, what is the personality characteristic that is consistent among comedians? I think there was, so I remember growing up in church, my dad's a preacher. And I remember that we, I was one of eight kids. And not that I wasn't, I just kind of didn't get a lot of attention at home. But I remember on Sunday mornings at our, church, there was these girls that were like, you know, the pastor's daughter or the other pastor, they were just there. And there was my buddy, Robbie and Nathan, and I remember, like, them, like, loving me.

They couldn't wait for me to get there because I was funny. And I mean, that's as early as I can remember of being... making them laugh and making like, we like him. So, and I remember getting kind of a, if you say, insecure, maybe getting a hit of worth based on the laughter. And I'm doing it professionally now for the last 10, 12 years, but I've been doing that. It's really interesting.

My whole life. And I would also, I would say that, that's the easiest, like if, that's the easiest, if you meet me, you're on the street, we're in the subway, we're in the airport, that's going to be the first John that you're probably going to meet the one that wants to make you laugh yeah you're going to meet him first yeah you're going to meet the insecure not insecure but you're if you're on an airplane

or you're going to meet him first yeah and then Bo Burnham has a great bit as a comic he says we're always we're all we're striving to give to other people what we could never give ourselves

what is that happiness or joy or something like that that you like you know a lot of comics struggle like depression and suicide but i kind of reject that a little bit because a lot of everybody struggles with suicide but we just know about it because comics are very forward-facing with their jobs a lot of dentists a lot of cab drivers i'm sure the suicide rate is probably similar you just know about comics that's the difference so you know how much you know when people come into i was at a comedy showed a couple nights ago

and there was a, the comic was making a joke about a CPAP machine. He goes, isn't that that really kills romance? And he goes, good night, man. And the people, and I saw this couple, the wife was just like, ribbing her husband and just, they were

dying. They were crying laughing. And you know that that has been a real issue in their house. That romance and their relationship has been affected he has shame over it right she has there's like in there's a lot of emotions around that scenario and a comic presented it to you in a way that was so helpful and so therapeutic to you they go oh gosh and that I know what that is and I and I go out people all the time are like

the show sold out can we get tickets I go I'll find a way to put you on the list because I know what that does. If it's done well sometimes it's not done well but if it's done well the comic you go gosh dude that is so helpful to me and some

whatever that way is. The tea kettle blowing off it's like pent up inside yeah everybody comes home from work and I saw a quote one time it said it was about some school board you know getting rid of band or art class or they go just don't forget every time you were in the lowest point in your life you went to art you went to

a book a music uh comedy it's up to you or even a sitcom or a movie you went to i when i'm a bit a bit well when i've been in my darkest days i'd love watching shawshank you're right you know that movie we grew up like that movie takes like whoever made that piece of art is just i really like that whenever you've been at your lowest moment you've almost always gone to art always you don't go to reason you go to this feeling and usually brought on by art music when you're depressed you're like yeah yeah i love thinking about different personality traits that lead people to different walks of life i did a series last summer with all these guys who are elite warriors seals and delta and that's what i always want to know from all those guys like what is it in you yeah that you saw also is in everyone else who does

what you do yeah you know and i mean and but you don't have it so like what i don't have yeah i don't have either yeah but i have yeah what is it my girlfriend works in the news and she's like you know you go out to these crime scenes and you go she's like i know i know when people when something happens in your city you go you turn on the news what how and you know how important that is to the whoever's the whoever's in charge of the trash

on the island of Manhattan who's the who's the not the guy that gets it the guy that makes it he's he wakes up and thinks about that how to do it best and he's like he I bet I don't know him but he believes he put on this planet to solve that

and I bet he loves it it's funny you saying that like your girlfriend's in news I've asked that question of so many different people. I've never thought about it in what I do. Like, what is the commonality? I don't know. I never step back and said. Or there's something in your childhood that you, you, you, yeah, I don't know. I know I care a lot about the truth. I get really upset when people lie to me. There you go, there you go. But I'm also really curious. Like, I want to read and learn, like, why is this? Yeah. And then I also want to debate and win a little bit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I also think that a lot of people, but back to you where we started this conversation, we can end here as well. There's a lot of people to do what I do. that I mean I don't not everybody clearly I have respect for a lot of people but I see way too many

people who's end goal in this seems to be the fame like yeah you did this because you want to see yourself on TV and that was what felt good for you yeah and that hit that hit that little like ego a little bit of ego and and and I think everyone would be lying if they said that wasn't a part of it I'm sure yeah and a comic the same you're like I just want to get these creative ideas out You're like, yeah, but also when, like, celebrities are like, we repost you or you get the check, you're like, no, that feels good, too. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, sure, being on television is a part of it, but do you care about that's not going to sustain you? Right.

Do you care about, and even if you go, yeah, you're like, hey, like, let's say news channels or traditional news shut down, you'd be like, well, I need to, would you still be. wanting to like find out and I bet you would I think I would if you if something happened you got I want to know in the purest form before technology even existed if there was a you live back in caveman times and there was a theft or a crime you would be like hey wait what especially if they're appointed the wrong guy yeah and they were lying he didn't and maybe other people would just go about their day get on back to work and whatever and you go wait wait wait wait how come and then you would I don't I would bet

you would arm yourself with that truth and then you go tell everybody yeah you go hey he didn't I found out that he was actually even this is back in the caveman time right that that yeah we have I have YouTube now or stand up now but even if that was

you'd be the guy in the cave going hold on everybody have you ever noticed what's the deal with hieroglyphics I don't know yeah yeah you were you were natural from the fire that's maybe you say maybe from god or something i don't know what yeah i don't know what you say that what what that is this is where i want to go at the very end of our conversation it's where we start so i don't know how you describe yourself like you definitely faith yeah

um conservative i don't know yeah yeah yeah um i don't want we're going to clip well no the reason like if you don't want to be political i don't want to push people in politics um also i think it is political to say i lean more conservative you know it doesn't mean it's how you vote necessarily either right but what i'm what i wanted to go with this is so we talked about five years ago the sort of way that this whole industry was lost and it created this market opening right and then you see guys

like yourself guys like I think Burr did a lot of this I think Chappelle did a lot of this I think Bill Maher has done a lot of it's and he's a man who left so do you think the market do you think it's happened has it turned comedy has it turned

towards back to being what it's supposed to be yes yeah I think and but it doesn't it doesn't turn it doesn't turn it takes it we can't say whatever we want right we say things if you if the audience they're like how does this comedian get to say whatever he wants we don't it's the opposite if you say it and it doesn't connect like if I if I was in like Jacksonville or something I was like I'm gonna just make it something up that wouldn't be true

what's up with all these Russian people here they'll be like what it's not a real it doesn't go anywhere because you can say whatever you want but everybody's going to be like what

it doesn't it doesn't take but you're like you were like Jacksonville like this streets okay it seems like up and he's like we got to wrap this show up because I bet a bunch of all's cars are probably on cinder blocks

in the parking lot everybody dies laughing you're like okay so that was a that was a true thing that exists Right. So comics, I think the tide is turning because people are starting to be like, all right. And what happened during COVID was tremendous for comedy, tremendous for comedy, because everything was kind of upside down. And you had people that were trying to go do their jobs and work and you go, we got to, so we're at the airport and we got to stand six feet apart from each other, but we're about to get on this plane.

and they didn't know how to synthesize it into jokes but they go that's it and that's all you need is the society or the people to be like and they don't

they're not professionals so they don't know how to but they go what? Yeah or that's all you need and then a comic if the comic is doing it right

he's voicing that that's it I think comedy has started to I don't know not the industry as a whole but and you know it's the leading indicator and other forms of art

have not yet followed. And I think that's what the next market opening is. Like, I think TV and movies and... Oh, Hollywood is not. Yeah. But where it is happening is... But again, anything that Hollywood is putting out or syndicated, like, television is...

Nobody's watching it. Nobody's watching a sitcom. Nobody's going to... If you... Everybody goes to work, okay? Everybody has eight hours at work. They're getting off work. They're eating. And then they got, like, a window.

there maybe an hour and maybe you can do a little bit while you're at work and everybody's on their phone so where they go where they ingesting it and it's podcast it's youtube a lot of i i checked into the hotel last night and i never turned on the tv yeah i don't anymore either that's crazy dude but people that like you they're like oh i got to catch up my will's pod or i got like i got to that's why this is on youtube everything's on you know we're everywhere and that's what And that's where you can go, if you feel about, you can find, you can find a comic that shares that message with you. Also on YouTube, John Chris. Also on YouTube, baby.

You would like to release a statement. And he has. Statement has been out. Go check it out. Let's go. All right. Thank you, John. Thank you.

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