Will Cain Country - How Did Somali Immigrants Rob Millions From MN Taxpayers? (ft. Chris Rufo)

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

Story 1: Contributing Editor at City Journal and Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute Chris Rufo joins to discuss how the digital age has impacted the public's consumption of news, leading to the spread of baseless conspiracies and racial agitation. Plus, Chris goes over his coverage of the million-dollar fraud scandal of fake autism claims in Minnesota.Story 2: Will reacts to comments from you, the Willitia, before bringing in The Crew to discuss law enforcement’s failure to catch the Brown University shooter in an age of constant surveillance. Plus, they share their thoughts on the Somali fraud scandal in Minnesota.Story 3: In ‘Final Takes,’ Will and The Crew react to a massive rat found stowing away on a Caribbean bound flight, the revolving door of collegiate quarterbacks entering the transfer portal, and Black Americans seeking out more non-stereotypical hobbies. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠⁠)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, imagine if you will, convincing families to get their children diagnosed as autistic in order to build the taxpayer out of billions. Imagine if you will, if we didn't use the word fraud, but actually understood that if you simply took, The thieves out of the system, we might not even have to pay. A great many of us might not even have to pay income tax. The sheer scandal and weight of what's happening in Minnesota with City Journal and Manhattan Institute's Chris Rufo. Two, you, the Wallitia, three, get these MFNFNFN. Rats off the plane. It is Wilcane Country on a Tuesday, streaming to you live on the Wilcane Country

YouTube channel. It is hard to overstate and yet simultaneously hard to sell. The word fraud. The word fraud is white noise. It's boring. It's what's the next news story. The word fraud becomes inventory lost during shipment. Elon Omar and Jasmine Crockett have pointed out that fraud is part of the system is just sort of the way it goes in the system.

It's like a store manager stocking the shelves talking to the owner. I'm sorry, we lost five cans of soup. They dropped during stocking. And that's just the price of business. It's container ships, losing cargo into the Atlantic Ocean. It's just the cost of doing business. And for that matter, something many businesses maintain insurance. And I think that's the way we've come to think about the idea of government spending and fraud.

It is as sold by Jasmine Crockett. It is as sold by Ilan Omar, the cost of doing business. But it should not be. And it is not, if you think about it, beyond the white noise of the word fraud. You're talking about your money, my money, and what is money but compensation for sweat and time? so your sweat your time let's carry a step further the pain in your knee the ache in your back the time you did not spend with your children being stolen from you and given away to someone else who's faking a claim for autism is that yet enough

to make you care? Is that yet enough to make the American public think twice? Apparently not in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Fox News, Digital's, David Marcus took a trip to Minneapolis to ask them how they felt about the Somali autism, feeding our future, housing scam that stole billions from Minnesota taxpayers and to the bundled up and park awareness. commuter in the cities of St. Paul in Minneapolis, inevitably white, inevitably upper middle class, the answer was, oh yeah, what about ice? They didn't care about their own aches, pains, and times spent away from their children being stolen away by Somali refugees. They cared about ensuring that they appear virtuous to a stranger. They might as well at this point invite the illegal immigrant into their home, not their home state, not the abstraction of home, but the four walls and the fireplace and the

life that you've built in the suburbs of St. Paul. Invite them into the master bedroom. Give them your king bed. Invite them to come. Invite them to come. be a member of your family for a short while and then look the other way and not call them out when they begin to steal and things disappear from the house and the bank account gets smaller and the children's futures get dimmer invite them in until you now are in the front yard of your own home invite them in until you now are down the street invite them in until you now are the refugee. This is the state, not just of Minneapolis. This is the state, not just of Minnesota. This is the state of the United States of America. Yesterday we told you that

the GAO, the government accountability offices, ran a test on Obamacare. They ran 100 IDs through Obamacare applications. All 100 of those IDs had fake social security numbers, fake addresses, fake names. They were all fraud. How many of those 100, according to Senator Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma, shared this information with us and was reported widely last week from the GAO? How many of those fraudulent claims to Obamacare went through out of 100? 90. 90 claims stamped for approval. 90% fraud for Obamacare. You see, it's not just feeding our future. It's not just autism support in Minneapolis.

It's not just Obamacare. But if you took the full scope of it, and it's not just inventory lost, and it's not Campbell's soup on the floor in the aisles of the store, if it's not just container ships falling into the Atlantic, if it's actual theft of your time and your labor, if it's actual scandal, how broad, how broad, how deep? across the great scope of the United States government how much

is being stolen by you from you how much is being stolen from your life could it be enough as economist Peter St. Onges has said that in fact half of us

half would not have to pay income tax how do you bring that home how do you make that real for America. In just a moment, we are going to be talking about this with City Journal and Manhattan Institutes. Chris Rufo, who has reported widely on what's happened in Minneapolis. Who are the characters? How are they connected to Ilan Omar? How are they connected to Attorney General Keith Ellison? How are they connected to Governor Tim Walton? How are they

connected to al-Shabaab, the terrorist organization, out of Somalia? let's take a quick break and when we come back we will be joined by city journals Chris Rufo on Wilcane country Canada can be a global leader in reducing the harm caused by smoking but it requires actionable steps now is the time to modernize Canadian laws so that adult smokers have information and access to better alternatives by doing so we can create lasting change if you don't smoke Don't start. If you smoke, quit. If you don't quit, change. Visit unsmoked.ca.

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Facebook page, the Fox News Facebook page, but you can follow us on Apple or on Spotify. Chris Rufo is the editor at City Journal. He's also a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, the director of the Logos Initiative, and he joins us now. What's up, Chris? Hey, good to see you. Good to see you, man. Before we get into Minnesota, I'd love to talk about a few other things as well.

We will be talking about Somali fraud rings out of Minnesota, perhaps even out of Maine, increasing interest as well, and what's happened in Ohio. But I wanted to ask you about a couple of different things you've been posting about, Chris. And there's something that you posted about that got my attention. You posted on X. You said the Wright's media apparatus is how the Wright teaches the followers how to think. and it's currently getting consumed by conspiracy, psychodrama, and tabloid conflicts. If left unchecked, it will turn the audience into the equivalent of a third world click farm. I can only presume what you're referencing there, but I'd love for you to kind of help me out with your minds.

This does come, perhaps notably, a day after a meeting between Turning Point USA's chairman and chief executive Erica Kirk and podcaster Candace Owens. Yeah, that's absolutely right. It's not by accident. And in fact, that is the hidden reference. And look, we have a big challenge, and I'll frame it this way. This is a technological question. In the past, there were media institutions, whether it was network news, then cable news, newspapers, magazines. There was an editorial function that at its best was able to find town. and then mold that talent, provide editorial guardrails for that talent, and then try to get towards the truth. The digital ecosystem is fundamentally different, and at its best, it allows a wider range of people to enter the discourse. It provides instantaneous speed so that a great story can travel faster than it's ever traveled. And it is a raucous arena where all of the competing ideas can come into conflict and then the public can make its mind up. The downside, though, is that you have essentially no editorial function, and in fact, the algorithms of social media seem to be rewarding baseless conspiracy theories, you know, really ugly racial agitation, and then personal psychodrama. So it's very personality-driven rather than ideas-driven.

And in the case of Candace Owens, I mean, she's putting out stuff that is just blackly insane. We shouldn't take it seriously. We shouldn't entertain notions that Egyptian planes and French intelligence and the Israeli Mossad and turning point insiders were engaged in a global conspiracy to assassinate Charlie Kirk. And this is becoming a problem because at one time these ideas were relegated to fringe newsletters, ham radio broadcasts. But now this is, by some measurements, the most popular content on social media. This is degrade. It's not only wrong factually, but it actually degrades the public's ability to think critically and think intelligently about the issues in front of us. Christmas break is coming up, and it's going to give me some time, even two weeks, to sit back and step back from the news cycle.

I've committed myself over this Christmas break to doing a couple of things, some of them professional, meaning I want to think more globally, more broadly, about my own content. I want to think more broadly, more globally about where I want it to go in the next year. And it's going to give me a chance also to think more globally and broadly about the content that others are producing, Chris. And I say that because I'll tell you that on my to-do list, for example, and I don't even know where to start, I don't know where to begin, but it is to listen to, I don't know, maybe the most popular episode of Candace Owens on what, maybe YouTube or podcast. And I tell you that because I've listened to nothing.

I know nothing. I don't know what she's saying. To say it's nothing, Chris, isn't fair. And I know you're familiar with this. We live in a world that's very interesting when it comes to information consumption. The vast majority of people are on Instagram, TikTok, or possibly X. I say the word possibly because X is not quite as popular outside the media sphere as it is within the media sphere. TikTok and Instagram probably have the most influence with your casual, common American walking around out there, letting information scroll past them on a reel.

And I think that we, everyone, all of us, including myself and you, have to walk through the world with a level of humility on what we actually know. So what I'm getting at in a roundabout way, Chris, is this has happened to you, it's happened to me, and it happens on every story. First, you're clipped, then you are, then you are insincerely and inaccurately clipped. And I believe that we now live in the world of the post clip, the post inaccurate, edited clip, where the framing is everything, right? So whoever puts the post up, put some text above it, and tells you how you should think about what is in below video that you will not watch because you're going to scroll beyond it once I tell you how to feel

about what you just saw. And the humility I'm offering you is that's the world that Candace Owen lives in for me right now. I haven't consumed her long form. I haven't consumed her even in that many clips, but I have consumed her in everyone else's framing of what it is she's saying. So I am purely ignorant of what she is saying. Yeah, blessedly self. Okay. And perhaps that is the case. And I'd be curious if you have. But I mean, this is all not to excuse Candace. This is all not to say that what she's saying is with legitimacy. It's also for me not to be the person, you can be the person if you've consumed it, to say that

everything she is saying is illegitimate. What I'm getting at is it's so difficult for For everyone, you, me, the average consumer, I'll tell you, and you know this because you said it in your answer there, she's incredibly popular, she's incredibly powerful, she's incredibly well consumed. And I often encounter people who will say me, what do you think about it? And I'm like, I don't know what to tell you because I have not consumed in any responsible manner what Candace is saying. And I just find that a real challenge for everyone, including not just the audience, but. But me. So I would ask you, not to try to justify. That's definitely not the goal here. Sure. How do you do it? Have you consumed everything that she's saying? I mean, I know the way it's framed and it's spun, it's wild, it's crazy, and what you just said. But I'm just curious,

have you done that? Have you consumed, Candace? Well, I think your idea is the correct one. Your idea is to say, hey, I don't pass judgment on clips because as it happened to you, it's happened to me. they can often be misleadingly framed or wrapped or contextualized. And so you say, hey, until I've actually done the homework, I don't feel confident issuing judgment. I think that's perfectly defensible and, in fact, quite necessary. But I actually think what's happened with Candace, in some ways, surprisingly, is the opposite. I have reported on this. And so therefore, I did go back and listen to these full-length episodes.

And my sense is that actually the full-length episodes are worse than the clips. So it's a reversal of expectations in that sense. And the full-length episodes are not, don't acquit Candace Owens. And, I mean, it's a lot of, it's, look, she's very charismatic, she's very entertaining. She's captivating to watch. She has a certain charisma, of course. But the actual content, I mean, is verging into kind of schizopolitics. And the conspiracy theory that she has built over a number of these episodes is totally laughable, totally impossible, totally deranged.

And I just think that the idea that federal law enforcement, state law enforcement, French government, the Israeli government, the Egyptian government, all of these national entities are somehow involved in a conspiracy to kill a popular YouTube post. The United States military. The U.S. military. I mean, it's like the whole deal. Like the whole world is in on this. And Candice Owens has uncovered this plot from her own basement by tracking the tail numbers off

of airplanes departing from. It's like, look, you have to be open to evidence. You have to be open to skepticism, but your mind can be so open that your brain falls out. And the problem is not really Candace, okay, fine, I don't care one way or the other. The problem is that this really degrades our ability to think and our ability to make sense of the world. And the fact is, from all appearances, the case against the alleged assassin Tyler Robinson is very persuasive. They have video, DNA, the murder weapon, eyewitnesses, a written confession to his trans lover, and even his parents who supposedly identified him and then turned him in.

And so I think that story, to me, is persuasive, barring, you know, pending other evidence to the contrary. And we want to, the point of the media in my mind is to teach people how to think rigorously, to present the facts in a substantive way and to guide people towards good action in the world. And the problem with these conspiracy theories is that it creates this void where it creates a vacuum of trust and it doesn't lead anywhere productive. And I think that justice for Charlie Kirk requires us to be pretty disciplined and to say if this individual is committed the crime, it appears that he did based on the evidence we know, he should be held accountable. He should be imprisoned for life. He should perhaps face capital punishment. And then we should move from there. But again, I've done the homework. And in my opinion, it doesn't get better.

Well, I appreciate you sharing that with us, and I wish I could say the same to this point. I will commit to my audience. I will do some of the homework. I cannot commit to whatever it is, 30 hours of listening at this point to get all the ins and out. But I will commit to familiarizing myself better with the long-form case made here that I, like everyone else, not only find at the surface level specious, but reprehensible. but I just need to earn that judgment is what I feel like. I need to be able to earn that judgment, not repeat it from others.

And I know, for example, with you, I know with you, I do trust you having done that homework and sharing that opinion with us because I know your work. I know where you put that work in in other arenas. And by the way, for what it's worth, I'm really enjoying what you're doing with, I believe it's Lomas. I think that the conversations that you guys are having on. on your podcast are incredible, which I will admit to you. I also consume in clips, not in framing. I actually watch the clips often when they come across my feed, and I'm not accepting someone else's frame of those conversations. I've actually been listening to them myself, and I think that they are incredibly intellectual and insightful and unique and really good. One last point on

this before we move forward with something that you have done the work on, which I think lends to your credibility for anyone listening, which I imagine a lot of people listening have consumed Candace and do have strong opinions and judgment, both pro and con. I would imagine both of those points of you are represented in the listening and watching audience here today at Will Can Country, is that we have to also understand the background that this exists within, the context and the history that this entire story and all stories exist within, which is something that was repeated to me, Chris, at a Christmas party last week. We've been lied to so much. And that person is right. And that person like me and like you live in a world now of earned skepticism.

And it takes hard judgment and wisdom to think about where to apply that skepticism. And another person at this party, and this was a very casual environment, Chris said, just because you shouldn't believe everything doesn't mean you should disbelieve everything as well. And that is true. And that is wise. And I just think we always have to remember for everyone watching and everyone listening that was lied to about COVID and lied to about race relations and lied to about individual cop instances and lied to about dozens of stories that this is the world in which they live and are trying to now discern truth. Yeah, I think your diagnosis is correct that in the last five years, the institutions of authority, whether it was the federal government, public health officials, university professors, doctors and scientists, engaged in systematic lying about race, about COVID, about DEI, about all of these other issues.

And in retrospect, they accelerated the destruction of trust in those institutions. The question, though, is then how do we respond? And I think there's a temptation to say, well, I don't trust anything that comes out. I'm going to cast total skepticism on any institutional narrative. And therefore, I will believe any conspiracy theory because some conspiracy theories in the past have turned out to be true. And look, I mean, some conspiracy theories were right. I mean, there was a time when, you know, the origin of COVID in the lab was called a racist conspiracy theory, which in my mind was obviously true the whole time. But because one is true doesn't mean all are true.

And so the real best response in an era of institutional distrust is not to have less rigor in how you think and analyze, but to have more rigor in how you think and analyze the world. And so I think conservatives have a real opportunity. The left's institutions have shown to be corrupted. We have to present better institutions, more trustworthy ideas and analysis, and then lead our audience to a way that is more reliable, more robust, more immune to infection by lies and distortions. And so it's a huge opportunity, and I want to see us all take it. And I think that, look, you know, you're on Fox News. that in my experience, Fox News has a great editorial apparatus. You have producers, editors, fact checkers, writers, legal teams that are all trying to create

great news, to create exciting narratives on television and radio and print. But they're always trying to say, hey, let's check our work. Let's make sure we got the facts right. Let's let's continue. And so when I look at places to trust, I think Fox is, one of them. And I think that we all should try to figure out, how can we hold ourselves to not just a high standard, but a higher standard than our opponents, a higher standard than the people who have let us down. Let's get into how this money ended up in the hands of al-Shabaab,

an ISIS terrorist group in Somali. When we come back with City Journal's Chris Rufo on Wilcane Country. Canada's Wonderland is bringing the holiday magic this season with Winterfest on select nights now through January 3rd. Step into a winter wonderland filled with millions of dazzling lights, festive shows, rides, and holiday treats. Plus, Coca-Cola is back with Canada's kindness community, celebrating acts of kindness nationwide with a chance at 100,000 donation for the winning community and a 2026 holiday caravan stop. Learn more at Canada's Wonderland.com. And I think you've done so on this story, this story out of Minnesota, which I think is a story that even with the amount of coverage it is received deserves yet even more coverage, Chris. And I find it absolutely appalling. And before you join us today, I have neglected to endorse the word fraud. For some reason, the word fraud is boring. And what we are talking about has happened in Minnesota amounts to, I guess the best I can come up with is a descriptive is theft.

It's a kleptocracy. It is on multiple levels, from a cultural level to a political level, absolutely scandalous. And I'm concerned is actually the open sore or the blister on a very sick patient, meaning there's much more of this. Maybe it's in Maine. Maybe it's in Ohio. Maybe it's not just a Somali community. maybe it's the federal government at large and it is there's no maybe to this it's just a matter

of to what extent and how much it can be exposed and how much you can make people care Chris and I think as a product of making people care the characters are very important because that's how people understand stories so talk to me a little bit about the characters in Minnesota the people the literal human beings faking autism encouraging others to fake autism creating false meal tickets, stealing billions from the taxpayers in Minnesota and across America because these were funded by federal programs. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. And the cast of characters is fairly interesting. It's not just a simple one-part story. Obviously, members of the Somali community in Minneapolis, I think the evidence suggests hundreds of families. So a huge percentage of

the Minnesota's perhaps 80,000 strong Somali community were participating in these systematic frauds with fake nonprofits, fake medical diagnoses, fake services rendered, fake receipts. I mean, it was really breathtaking. There are dozens of these schemes that are currently being investigated by prosecutors. But it's not just that, but in fact, there are Somali political leaders like Ilhan Omar, who has personal and at times professional connections with some of the people who were later indicted for fraud. It's someone like Tim Walls, who represents

the kind of white democratic establishment of the state of Minnesota, a famously generous state, built by Scandinavians, had a very generous social welfare system. He seems to have turned a blind eye to this fraud over a number of years. And his administration, was intimidated by the Somali community, which at certain points actually threatened, hey, if you cut off the funds to our nonprofit organizations, we're going to call you racist.

And then the Walls administration reopened the spigots. And so you have this convergence of naive, blind, cynical, and easily manipulated white liberals. You have the Somali politicians who know how to make threats, get votes, you know, move campaign funds around, dominate headlines nationally. This is like an Ilhan Omar character. And then you have the actual Somali fraudsters who are embedded in Little Mogadishu in Minneapolis and who saw this and said, this is open season. These people are easy to exploit.

This money is easy to take. And they had really no hesitation about it. And the combination of all these characters. resulted in the largest systematic welfare fraud in American history. That's the story that we published, and even more remarkably, three different counterterrorism sources told us that some of this money, when it was going back overseas to Somalia, was being essentially taxed by the al-Shabaab terror network.

And so some estimates are that, in fact, this became a major source of funding for terrorists in Mogadishu. And so we have this insane outcome where American taxpayers are unwittingly funding al-Shabaab terrorists in Somalia. And that to me is a scandal. And it requires people to think not just about fraud. Of course, we don't want fraud. We should eliminate fraud. But it requires us to think about immigration.

It requires us to think about our welfare programs. And it requires us to think about what kind of culture produces these outcomes. I want to attack this for a minute now at all three of those levels. Culture, politicians, and characters, and then al-Shabaab. Let's start with culture for one moment. You and Lomas have covered this. I've covered this on the Will Kane show. Somalia is one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

I believe I saw this from you, Chris. It ranks 179th out of 180 countries in the world, as in most corrupt, the second most corrupt country in the world. world. Now, we're going to talk in terms that are inherently cultural, and people often revert and get their guards up and get concerned about racism. And I think that we often have to distinguish the difference between racism and culture. And I think people do understand that difference. It's only the cynical or those that attack that want to conflate the two. That being said, you are coming from a low trust, high fraud, high corruption culture. Come to America. Do not assimilate. And

many people have pointed out the difference between assimilation levels between refugees and immigrants. And there's also a distinguishing, I think, level between illegal and legal immigrants, all in their willingness and interest in assimilation. But refugees being some of the least likely to assimilate. So it's logical to presume that a lot of the cultural moors you left behind in this case, which would be more tolerant of corruption, get imported into your new society, in this case, Minnesota. You've talked about that. I've talked about that.

But you said something interesting to me, which I hadn't considered. The northern states of America, Minnesota, Wisconsin, North Dakota, to some extent, Michigan, were originally settled by immigrants from Scandinavia. And that is true, and it is fascinating, because I hadn't thought about this. those are cultures with high social safety networks and by the way high trust and I never thought about that is that one of the reasons that Minnesota is so liberal were several generations removed from that immigration so I'm curious how much that sentiment is retained from old cultural acceptance Scandinavia I mean Norway Finland Sweden Denmark these are high safety net previously high trust societies And then they also created the same thing in Minnesota? I think that is correct. Look, I'm a big believer in Foundings.

I think Foundings matter, and I think Foundings are durable. And so, of course, the founders of America spoke English. We still speak English. We have similar culture, patterns, language, traditions, et cetera. And the same, of course, is true in Minnesota. And what's really interesting, actually, is to take Scandinavian immigrants who came, you know, let's say 150 years ago, built up Minnesota. and then compare them to Scandinavians who stayed in Scandinavia the last 150 years.

And then you fast forward and you find out that actually the same problem is unfolding in both societies. In Scandinavia, they imported Somalis. They imported other predominantly Muslim populations. And they're having huge problems with fraud, violence, rape, crime, amongst these immigrant populations. huge rates of welfare dependency. So Scandinavians have, again, this generous social safety net, these newcomers struggle to get off of welfare dependency. And you have, again, populations that were separated by 150 years of history seem to have

replicated precisely the same dilemma, this generous social safety net, this kind of liberal desire to allow refugees from all over the world, which is probably a noble sentiment at heart. And then this culture clash, where you're getting the mismatch between the system and the imported culture. And so to me, it's just a kind of shocking reminder that we like to think of ourselves as totally free individuals that have the power to determine our own lives, absolutely. But in fact, a lot of what we experience, a lot of who we are, a lot of what we will be, is severely limited by what came before us. And so when I see these stories unfold, my lesson is, okay, we have to be humble about our own capacity to assimilate, our own capacity to change, our own capacity to determine the destiny, not just for ourselves, but also for others.

And to me, this is a cautionary tale. You know, immigration sometimes works. America has had the most successful immigration system of any country in history. But immigration doesn't therefore work all the time. And we have to be very selective in which kinds of folks we let in. And on the last question, the question of culture versus race, America actually has had very successful immigration from Nigeria, which is a West African nation, sub-Saharan black Africans. And our immigration policy vis-à-vis Nigeria has been to invite the most educated, the most affluent, the most entrepreneurial, and really the most capable. immigrants from that country. And as a consequence, Nigerian Americans are enormously successful.

They have a high, very high median income. They have very high, you know, social statistics. And, you know, because it's a small population, they've been more able to assimilate. And so, look, culture matters. It's not, it's not racist to try to look at culture. In fact, it's quite important. All right, second level, Chris, the politicians and the characters involved, you brought them up, but it seems that while we do need to, and you've reported on it, and we intend at the Wilcane Show in Wilcane country, to understand the characters involved, the literal human beings who stole and faked autism and fake meal tickets, it's hard to imagine this was done, Chris, without complicity or a willingness to look the other way by very powerful people. You've talked about the proximity of Ilan Omar to some of these characters. Also, Attorney General Keith Ellison, also close proximity to some of these criminal characters. And you mentioned Tim Waltz. It just seems impossible, Chris, that this was done without at least some level of complicity from the inside, from the system, from these politicians. Yeah, and it's a great, I think it depends on what we mean by complicity. I don't think that there's certainly no evidence that any of these individuals. Walls, Ellison, Omar were involved in the fraud, personally benefited from the fraud, or even knew the details of the fraud.

But what is true, and I think this could count as complicity, is that they were well aware of reports of this fraud, and they turned a blind eye to this fraud. That's well documented. There were officials within Minnesota state government, federal prosecutors, other local media entities that were raising the alarm about, this fraud documenting the mass theft. And all three of those state, you know, kind of important state figures, they all essentially tried to make it go away. They tried to resist commenting. They tried to, you know, turn a blind eye to it. And so I think that is fair, and it's a fair point of criticism. And the other point I would make is that Tim Walls was running for vice president when all of this was happening. And our national news media, was so disinterested in investigating his actual record,

there were no stories about this fraud in any national outlet while this campaign was ongoing. And that to me is terrifying and deeply disturbing as an American, where you want your media to give you the full story about the candidates who are seeking the highest offices in the land. And the failure on the media's behalf was, I think, very stunning and very concerning.

And it raises the question, If nobody noticed this, the largest fraud in our history, what else is happening behind the scenes that we don't know about? And I hope that, you know, others all over the country, as you mentioned, in Maine, in Seattle, in Ohio, and other places where you have high density of Somali migrants are similar schemes happening. It's certainly worthy of investigation. And the third and final levels, again, something I think I learned. from Chris, but 40% of the Somali economy is remittances. It's no surprise that those remittances were finding their way into the hands of a terrorist network, Al-Shabab. It's incredible reporting.

It deserves more. It deserves more attention. And you can find it at City Journal. Chris, we appreciate the time. You hanging out with us today. Great conversation. Thank you so much. Great to chat. Thanks, Will. All right. There he goes. Chris Rufo of the Manhattan Institute and City Journal. over in the Wallitia, by the way, in the comment section on YouTube and on Facebook, the people are chiming in. Layla Brown says, I'm absolutely furious. Jay Elliott says every state should have a department of Doge. Carmilla Canali says, this is different than cargo getting loose.

There is no insurance to get it back. I totally agree, Carmela. I just concerned that people at some level accept this like cargo. getting lost. Fraud. It's a part of a multi-trillion dollar government spending system that we have in the United States. And then Layla, BW4XU says we have to get them out. I've got more comments from you, the Willis. I want to break down a couple of elements of what we just learned from Chris Rufo and talk with you when we come back on Wilcane Country. What is that shirt that Will is wearing asks Michelle Jennings over on YouTube?

I don't know if that's a question with implied criticism or implied appeal. It is born primitive. It's my boy Bear Hanlon, former Navy SEAL and his clothing company. Born primitive. I'm rocking here today on Wilcane Country streaming live with the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page. But we're here for you, always on Spotify. or on Apple. A lot of people out there in the comments section, like Kathy Choner, who says,

answer questions to dispel so-called conspiracy theories. It's not difficult. She also chimed in a little bit later and said, just answer the questions posed by Candace, then have a discussion. Kathy, I think there's so many questions that I have to be honest that I can't answer all of them because so many have been asked. And also, I don't have the expertise or the full business. breadth of knowledge and body of knowledge to answer the questions. But I do think as a matter, as a matter of principle, as a matter of generalization, that this is one of those things that I think you also have to be able to sit from the golden child without drinking the whole glass in that just asking questions is good. Just asking questions sometimes can be a tool. You've heard me

today. And you've heard me on another day say, I haven't consumed it, so I can't make a direct indictment or even directly address the questions, for example, posed by Candace Owens. But I can't speak as a generalizations. You have to be careful that just asking questions isn't a backdoor way into making arguments that you don't fully believe in, that you're just simply asking questions. You see the difference. I totally agree. Questions are valid. questions should be answered. Don't let, hey, I'm just curious, I'm just asking question, be a way of making an affirmative argument that you don't feel strongly about. And that's a matter for you, as an audience member, to be able to discern that difference. As well, over there,

Jennifer Stewart says, media should come with a label of news versus opinion, much like the AI disclosure. It's getting dangerously close to First Amendment violations, but can be labeled. Part of me wants to say, I think, at a discerning listener or viewer can tell the difference between news and opinion. And yet, I also see the way that some do it. And I think mostly of CNN in this respect. For example, when one tunes into MSNBC, I think you know what you're getting.

I think everyone knows what they're getting. It doesn't need a label. But the way that, at least historically, over the past decade, CNN has done it, is that definitely guide, have opinion slipped through under the guise of news. Things stated as fact that are opinion, things stated a fact that are not fact, and I can sympathize with the need for that should someone be watching. Jennifer also jumped in, Jennifer Stewart, and said, but I also believe elected officials should be treated as under oath when they spout. crap on camera that will stop all the lies coming out of Congress. You ever see him give testimony during like a house hearing? They're under oath.

I'm not sure it's ever stopped anyone from lying. It's not the law, but the enforcement of the law that actually is the measure of accountability. Tinfoil pat, two days, Dan here. I can only imagine that Dan pulled tinfoil pat up because he's somehow in some way wearing a bright green hoodie pulled up over his head. what are you doing are you about are you about to star in um what what are those characters the could be could be about to get into a rap battle yeah right my spaghetti already's vomit on a sweater i don't even know what i would wrap about

just really cold yeah i don't know i don't know either we were talking this morning after meeting patrick last week in new york after meeting patrick last week in new york we talking about the evidence right now to try to catch the shooter at boston university not to make light of this but the videos that are coming out it's like asking the public's help like what are you supposed to brown excuse me brown university um i don't see his face i see a dude like an all black he's being described now as 5-8 stocky you know but what do you learn from this i mean like i don't see any distinguishing there's a new one coming out they just said dude i prefer the one coming out.

Okay. That's what Kennedy says. Yeah. To what? Stocky? Yes. I think stocky is much more flattering than Gerthy.

Neither of them are great. But really the only characteristic that stands out. And I said this on TV yesterday and I kind of was like, does anybody else share this opinion with me? He does have a distinct gait. It's almost like he's kind of like limping on his right leg or his right foot turns out. I don't know. That's what I saw in one of the videos.

I'm like, did somebody, can somebody see this? and see that and be like, yo, my brother-in-law walks like that. But Patrick pointed out, and I think we can all endorse this after having met him in New York, where he tried to get away for something. First of all, he's not getting away fast.

And second, yes, he has a distinct gait. I do think he'd be toast, even with that hoodie up. You would know, like me and you, Will, would know that is Patrick. We'd be like, oh, well, that's his face completely covered. Not before last week, Dan. Not before meeting in person. That's also true. Now having met him in person, yeah, he's not getting away with a crime.

No. I got to think three steps ahead. Yeah. I still find it shocking that someone can do this and escape all cameras. Like, escape to this point, Dan, we'll see what this new video has, but cameras that don't reveal your face. I just, I'm, you know, Luigi Mangione, Tyler Robinson. These guys are on video. as one would expect after doing something.

And, I mean, Robinson's video is less, from what I've seen, less obvious as Mangione's video. But I just can't believe this guy is walking around Brown's in Providence. Is that right? Yeah, I used to live right. Dan Brons in Providence? Right on the campus for a long time in college. It's totally escaping cameras.

It's right on this street called Thayer Street, and there's just all restaurants and bars and stores. And there must be so many cameras there. Like, it's the biggest populated area of people in that city. That's crazy to me. All right. I think Chris Rufo is incredibly interesting. I think Chris is incredibly thoughtful, really well researched.

And I think that the things that he shared with us, not just about the actual fraud, but he makes an important point. He revisits that this story is not just about government fraud. This story is not just about corrupt politicians. This story, as much as I, at the outset of the show, think it's important to try to help people to understand how it actually means something for your life.

Our tax dollars are not inventory lost on a store shelf. Our tax dollars are our blood, sweat, tears, and time taken away from us, given from our children to somebody else, in this case, perhaps Al-Shabaab, which is pretty freaking outrageous. You know, I didn't go to my kid's soccer game because I got to send some money over to Al-Shabab. That's ridiculous, you know, against my will. But it's also a story of immigration, to his point. And the cultural conversation, which I find absolutely fascinating, not just the Smalley side, but the Scandinavian side.

And the corollary with what's going on in, and it is. I don't think we keep up with that a lot. Norway, Sweden, Denmark. trust societies, by the way, racially homogenous through most of their history, very open to huge social safety networks, like polls popularly. They're not Americans. They like the idea of giving away their money to each other and creating a nice little hammock for society to count on regardless of what happens in life.

They've done the same thing that's happened in Minnesota. They've taken in all of these people from all of these places under refugee status and other elements. and now it's different. They're losing trust. They're trust. You know, they always polled happiest, happiest countries on earth. You guys ever see that?

And the left would often use that as an endorsement of the social safety net in socialism or democratic socialism. It's going down. The happy polls in those places going down. The endorsement of the social safety net. Going down. Cohesiveness, going down. Crime going up in these places. It's not just Minnesota.

It's literally the sort of historical settler inspirations of places like Minnesota or Wisconsin all the way back to Norway, Sweden, and Denmark. And that's pretty culturally fascinating that's happening at the same time with the same backgrounds. All right, before we go today, we're also going to hit a few other topics. We're going to do a little episode of Final Takes and Tinfoil Pat. The Most Electric Man in Broadcasting has a few stories to share with us. Hoodied down, professionalism up. Take it away, Pat.

thank you will i'm just asking some questions here but have you seen this picture a giant rat stowed away on a plane with 250 people on its way to amsterdam to aruba we have that picture i sent it to will sent it to well you sent the picture to me i want to share high level productions here um high level production and making i'm making will do some work for once I think you're doing enough with your producing as we speak yeah boom here it is it ain't no small rat either what is he on drugs is he on the divider between first class and in coach there's a curtain beneath him and he's like up on the the bar you've never even sat close enough in coach to see The divider with first glass?

You don't see that from 28C? Yeah, I've never sat that close. I'm always in the back. I don't know if that's what that is, but he is up on some type of metal support up above, which I think that matters. I don't think that's an inconsequential detail. You see a rat at your feet? Bad.

You see a rat above your head? Get out of town. It's rain. Burn the plane down at 30,000 feet. It's terrible. He is a large rat. He's a large rat. They deferred the plane.

I think they had to land it. What do you think they did when they landed? I read the story this morning. I was like, what did they do? Did they disembark everyone? And did they send a team in to catch the rat? Well, I hope there was some, like, redneck on the flight that just, like, killed it and, you know, made dinner. Do you think Samuel L. Jackson was on the plane to make sure and take care of this?

Yeah. We got these mother rats off the plane. This mother complain. Get these M-F-N snakes off the plane. I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to tell you something. I'm on a plane. And somebody says there's a snake,

less concerned than if somebody says there's a rat. Way more interesting. Not creeped out by snakes. I'm not anti-snake. A lot of people are anti-snake. I'm going to be honest with you. You're Secretary of War. not a big fan of snakes

okay doesn't want them around him doesn't want to touch him doesn't think it's cute if his co-host rachel campos duffy waves a snake around in his face doesn't like it happened on set you just up the terrorist i'm not as creeped by the snakes i'm not i'm not as creeped out i hate

once i find out they're not venomous i'm like indiana jones i hate it really what does rachel hate but rats rats also birds birds yeah and at first i thought rachel was putting on a little bit of a bit like if a bird's in the room like a chicken i think chickens are the worst of the birds for her um you know she jumps up on the

couch and runs around and super scared and i mean to some extent i get it because if you really think about birds they're ugly they're herky jerky they're drones anyways they're dinosaurs they're not drones they're tiny dinosaurs you know that right like they're the closest to dinosaurs i think genetically. Huh. And I get that with their shark claws and their featherless and hairless feet. I'm not scared of birds. Are you scared of birds? I can identify. Um, I'm just, what I'm getting at is I want nothing to do with rats. That was mine. They did this on Voxian friends. Like, what animals do you like the least that make your skin crawl? And then they made me hold a rat. Because after Pete and the snakes and Rachel and the birds, like, what's your thing,

will? And they brought rats. Now, they did bring the little like pet. rats at PetSmart, you know, the white one, you know, and I held it. I did. I tried to overcome my fear and all that. It's not these gigantic Norwegian rats that are run around New York City or apparently on this plane. Those, you know, were the hair. We've talked about this together, right? If they just had some hair on their tail, it would do a lot for their personality. That's a squirrel you're talking about. That's a squirrel. Yeah. And by there's a squirrel on the plane. Oh, really? Where? That's cute. What I? Yeah, exactly. Take the hair off.

it's a rat yeah take the hair off the tail it's a rat and somebody says he's at 28 C with Patrick and I'm like close the curtains to first class I want nothing to do with that rat man quick story so when I lived in New York City I have two dogs which some of the audience has come become familiar with Saints and Violet they're both Durbin's but they are they are sequels. Everything is living up to the first great movie for me, which was my first Doberman, Leon. And I got Leon when I was in college.

I had him for 12 years. He lived with me in California, in Texas, and Montana. The end of his life was in New York City. And, you know, I would say his life in New York was split between still vibrant, and then he turned the corner and he was old. But while he was still vibrant, we were walking down the street. And, Dan, you're familiar at this because you're a New York City creature. when the trash is out and all the bags are on the street,

then you see the rats running back and forth between the building and the trash, right? So one day, I'm walking Leon, and he is older, but he's still pretty vibrant, and all of a sudden he goes to the ground, like his front end. And I'm like, oh, he tripped. You know when your dog starts getting old and they start tripping? It's super sad because they were so agile and athletic. And I kind of pulled on the leash to get him back up, but he hadn't tripped. he had lunged

and when I pulled up on the leash he came up and he had a gigantic rat in his mouth and it was hanging out both sides like this and I was like ah and he was like and I jerked him and he tossed the rat up in the air and it went down into the little

lower level of one of these brownstones and I was walking to the corner store and because I was going to get something you know at the bodega and I tied him up outside I didn't take him in man I tied him up outside and in New York you meet people that you don't really know in the dog world

but they kind of know you because they recognize your dog because you see them at Central Park when the dogs are leash free and I came out of the bodega and this lady that didn't really know but knew my dog was like oh I see remember more was petting him and he was giving her a kiss

and I was like oh I wouldn't I wouldn't not right now just had a gigantic rat that's so gross in his mouth yeah stay away from those New York City rats all right what else you got tin foil pat I don't know if you've heard this, just asking more questions, but the transfer portal is open,

and there are a lot of quarterbacks entering it. Brendan Sorsby of Cincinnati, DJ Lagway, who some people said it was the best quarterback in college football going into this season, is leaving Florida, Sam Levitt out of Arizona State, Dylan Rayola of Nebraska. They all seem to be headed out of the town. what do you think yes i think i i am fascinated by this this is as of today these are some of the most heralded i would say quarterbacks in college football not necessarily the best performers but guys who haven't quite lived up lived up to there like dylan raola you know he was the third ranked quarterback coming out his year dj lagway huge five star and now they're in

the transfer portal and i started thinking about who's going to need quarterbacks pat that's what i started thinking about like what these guys end up and Florida is going to need a quarterback. Texas Arch is coming back. So I didn't know if you knew that. Arch is going to be back. Yeah, I did know that. Trust me.

I saw it this morning. It's official Arch is back as a longhorn. Florida, LSU, Miami. Vandy. Programs are going to need quarterbacks. And who knows what's going to happen at Michigan. Who knows what's going to happen at Michigan. How many guys are going to be hitting the quarterback?

portal. They already have one guy out out, but it's not the starter, so. Well, you've got to guess more than that. You've got to guess Michigan. It's going to be rat for the door. Who's the Notre Dame quarterback again? Yeah.

Car. Do you know? I'm kidding. Of course I know. Did you know, though? Yeah. CJ Car. Here we go. Here we go. Musical chairs in college football, some big quarterbacks and big programs. It's going to be starting over next year.

Tinfoil, as your final story in Final Takes, do you have this headline? Scuba, skydiving, and golf. Black adults embrace sports that defy stereotypes and bring joy. This, the headline from NBC News, Pat. That's pretty much just a story. I mean, it's like black folk are just going out there and going crazy with tennis and, you know,

kinds of things that, uh, not just football and I guess they don't really do baseball so much here, but, um, basketball, you know, so getting, getting out there, doing the argument. Tiger Woods would have a word with you, but yeah, sure. No, but he's right. This is the reporting from NBC News. And the reporting is thanks to the destruction of systemic racism that more of this world has been opened up to black Americans and they are living better lives because they're now scuba, skydiving, and golfing. And what I would ask is anyone out there in the audience who happens to be black, how's it going? How's the skydiving?

I would love for you to call in. What do you think of scuba? Me? Not a big fan of scuba. Feel like it's cold and it's sightseeing. But now that systemic racism is over, I'm curious. Can we get some reviews on these? new hobbies. According to NBC

News, it's living the best life because we finally defeated. By the way, that in and of itself should be the headline. Systemic racism. Defeated. It's over? I give you scuba. It's done? It's over. I didn't know. Just ask scuba. Wow, we should have a parade. Do you know what scuba means? Scuba is not.

Yeah, so it's like an acronym. Is that what it is? What's called? Self-contained other water breathing apparatus. Ah, you got it. Conner just. Conor just helped. me out with that one. Oh, take out. Nice. Scuba, an acronym that is no longer an acronym. They don't even do it like an acronym. It's not all capitals. It's its own word now. As you can see from

the NBC headline about the demise of systemic racism. Scuba, its own word, like skydiving. Also, a new hobby for Black America. Reviews coming in. All right, that's going to do it for us today here on Will Kane Country. We appreciate Chris Rufo, and we appreciate you hanging out with us today. Make sure you follow us, please, on Spotify or Apple. We'll see you again next time. Listen ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcast, and Amazon Prime members. You can listen to this show, ad-free on the Amazon Music app.