Will Cain Country - How The Radical Left Sent Their Moderates To The Right (ft. Link Lauren)

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

Story #1: As the Left exposes itself more and more during the L.A. Riots, have they sold out any sense of moderatism in an embrace of extremist positions? Will shows how a study explains the shift in diversity of thought from the Left to the Right. Story #2: Link Lauren, Host of 'Spot On with Link Lauren,' joins Will to break down David Hogg's ouster from the Democratic Party, Joe Rogan's claim that two former Presidents tried to get him censored on Spotify, and AI's destruction of the internet and search engines. Story #3: Was Brian Wilson the greatest American songwriter of all-time. Will and The Crew compare how the The Beach Boys legend stacked up against his peers.  Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on X: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, it's a popular thing to say, but are the extremes on both sides condemnable and out of control? Or does research and evidence show that the entirety of the left is extreme? Two, Joe Rogan says two former presidents tried to call Spotify to get him censored Over COVID. We break it down with the host. A Spot On with Link Lauren. Link Lauren. Three, top five Beach Boys songs. And is Brian Wilson the late now, great Brian Wilson, the greatest American songwriter. It is the Will Cane show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel on the Fox News Facebook page.

Every Monday through Thursday, we hope you join us right here at Fox News YouTube and Fox News Facebook. Set yourself a reminder, participate in the show by jumping into the comments section. We call you the Willisha. If you're listening on Terrestrial Radio, we hope you will also subscribe at Apple or on Spotify. That way, you don't ever miss an episode of The Will Kane Show. yesterday we spent some time talking about illegal immigration riots in los angeles and the arguments being made to support these riots these riots with promise to metastasize grow over this weekend dozens of cities across the united states are planning a no king's protest this saturday most likely coming to a city near you and in part funded by a walmart heiress there are several organizations now that we know are helping to fund, organize, and arm these protests that turn into riots. We highlighted

those yesterday on The Will Kane Show. But one of the arguments that fascinates me is the argument that the United States is sitting on stolen land. California is actually Mexico. For that matter, so is New Mexico, Texas, and Arizona, parts of Utah and Nevada. The American Southwest, actually Mexico. History south of the border isn't exactly written the way. history is north of the border history though is always written by the victor and victory is the difference between stolen and conquest this land was won through a war the mexican-american war after the war for texas in 1836 texas after 11 years of beautiful independence decided to join the united states of america that was provocation once again for mexicans that never really honored the

Treaty of Velasco, General and Presidente, Santa Ana, surrendering to Sam Houston in 1836, signed a Treaty of Velasco, creating the Independent Republic of Texas. But that wasn't popular or even fully recognized in Mexico. So when the United States annexed Texas, Mexico saw it as a provocation. So now it was time to defend the borders. That was also under dispute. Mexico thought the border of Texas was the noasis River. Texas said the Rio Grande.

Some famous American generals participated in the Mexican-American War. It was the precursor to the American Civil War. But in the course of that war, the United States marched all the way to Mexico City. Could have, as the victor, claimed all of Mexico as the United States. And that would be an interesting thought experiment? What would Mexico be like today? Would it be overrun with drug cartels? No.

What would it be like today if it were simply broken up into a couple of states? States of the United States of America. But instead, what happened was the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. And in that treaty, Mexico signed over the American Southwest to the United States and agreed that the border of Texas was the Rio Grande. But that's not the end of the story. For anyone that still believes, oh, how horrible it's stolen. Mexico was compensated for the American Southwest.

It was compensated, I believe, to the tune at the time of $15 million. which adjusting for inflation is, I don't know, in the hundreds of millions of dollars for the American Southwest. And you say, well, if you're compensated, how is it stolen? If you're beaten, how is it not conquest? This is the story of history. A man that goes by the moniker Roman helmet guy on X put it best.

Mexico actually only maintained its own independence for about 20 years from the fall of the Spanish Empire. So we'd have believed that 20 years was so formative that anybody living in California today, who is of Mexican heritage, is actually standing in Mexico. That 20 years is what defines history. So U.S., white people, return California to Mexico. Or do we all recognize the absurdity? 20 years? Maybe we just reverse history.

Okay, Mexico, you get back California. But you in turn have to return that to the Spanish Empire, which maintained it for hundreds of years. of course that's not the beginning of history well-versed in colonization and stolen land so Spanish Empire return it to the Native Americans that's who really this all belongs to of course that doesn't really work either because you can keep rewinding history

and as Roman Helmut guy said I guess we have to go to the Native Americans walking backwards back over the Bering Strait into Asia leaving North America empty and then the land is never truly stolen never conquest Play this game anywhere and everywhere you want. Every civilization, every piece of turf.

You can play this game. But the game is history is written by the victors. And you are and will be standing. And you will be grateful. Because nobody actually protesting Los Angeles wants to return to Mexico that it is the United States of America. It all highlights the insanity. But it is an insanity that is getting pervasive,

perhaps even uniform on the left. Think that sounds partisan? Listen to the science. Story number one. Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson speaking yesterday about ICE enforcement of our democratically elected representatives over our democratically elected laws, namely illegal immigration, has quite a picture to paint for you on what you're seeing. It's a picture, he says.

of the Confederacy. They are absolutely terrified. And that's, look, I remember a few stand-ups ago when I talked about what terrorism looks like. This is it. There should be no question to what our country would look like had the Confederacy won.

We're seeing it on full display. There should be no question about our country would look like had the Confederacy won. We're seeing it on full display. You're talking about, says Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson, terrorism, the enforcement. of our laws. Now we've played for you sound

of the last couple of days of common sense Americans going, hmm, I couldn't do this in Mexico. I couldn't do this in Russia. And a bus ticket or a plane ticket back to my home country would be a pretty generous response if I illegally moved to Russia.

I might end up in prison for 30 years or maybe the rest of my life. But this to Brandon Johnson is terrorism and the real life the real life alt history of what would have happened if the Civil War had been won by the South. He's in a rhetorical death loop.

That's what he's in. A rhetorical death loop. Got to ramp it up. Got to get more inflamed. Got to get more ridiculous. And the next politician that comes along has got to top him. It's a rhetorical death loop.

Death for logic and clear thinking, but also death for the Democrat Party. Death for the left. And I'm going to explain. Because we're tempted to go, oh, he's extreme. Oh, that's on the far ends of the spectrum. Will, that's not Democrats? Will that's not the left? Isn't it? Tim Poole on the Trigonometry podcast really had a fascinating argument. Listen to Tim Poole. And I can say, look, the right,

they're completely insane. Look at these nutbags on Twitter. You'd be wrong. Really? Yeah. RFK Jr., former liberal, Tulsi Gabbard, former liberal, Donald Trump, former liberal, Elon Musk, former liberal. Colin Wright, former liberal, Tim Poole, former liberal. How is it that the popular vote winner, Donald Trump, was a Democrat up until his first term, that Tulsi Gabbard, D&I, former Democrat that I supported in 2020. I never voted Republican. I didn't like Republicans. And now the Republican MAGA movement, not the neocons, is an eclectic bunch of diverse views which debate each other. How is it that Charlie Kirk, Christian conservative, with one of the largest conservative platforms, invites moderate pro-choice.

Tim Poole onto his stage for his biggest event of the year to discuss those views to the public. On the left, what do you think would happen if you went and opposed their views at a public forum? You'd be threatened with violence. You would be threatened with violence. There's more. I want to share with you in him explaining that argument. But in case you think Tim Pua, who is self-described as a former Democrat, popular YouTube host and podcaster, is simply spouting off maga alt-right talking points and i think that would be a hard proposition for you to defend alt-right maga far-right monolithic i think it would be hard for you defend but the case he already just began to lay out tulsie gabbert rfk donald trump in case you think that's just schlock i want to share

with you a study from the british journal of social psychology it's entitled attitude networks of intergroup realities, using network modeling to research, attitude, identity, relationships, in polarized political contexts. But you take a look at this chart. If you're listening on Spotify, Apple, or on terrestrial radio, I'll explain this to you. The headline reads, there is more diversity of thought on the political right than on the political left. And the diversity of thought is graft, visually represented, blue and red, on two sides of your

screen. The subhead reads, although they pride themselves on open-minded. in this liberal thinking actually coalesces around a very narrow set of opinions, whereas the right diverges widely. This graph, again, as visually illustrated, shows, the diversity of thought on the left, it's literally screen left, blue.

And I don't know. What do we say? For your visualization purposes inside your mind's eye, let's say that is about the size of a dime, meaning the variance of viewpoints, scattered around plotted on the left is about the size of a dime and as you move right and as your viewpoints begin to adopt or veer into what is traditionally called the right you see a scattering

of viewpoints now the star burst much larger if the left is visualizing your mind's eye by a dime on the right you're well beyond a half dollar you're talking about a baseball size star graph as compared to what you see on the left all over the place right views debating itself disagreeing on a whole host of issues so i ask you is chicago mayor brandon johnson extreme and unrepresentative or is he voicing something that's increasingly a unified voice on the left oh will those people on the streets of los hares they don't represent the views of the left they're extreme okay hold on let's take one more minute there's a guy named amy horowitz i've known amy for quite some time he's done some videos for fox for prager you and for others um you can find

amy on social media and he does a thing called amy on the loo so he went to los angeles and he talked to some of these protesters and i want you just hear a little bit of these viewpoints and we'll come back to this and ask ourselves is this extreme like brandon johnson or is it as that graph represents inside that little dime-sized starburst of acceptable views on the left. Listen. Is this really about due process or really are we here to overturn the system? And that's not the really important part of this? I think if we're here to overturn the system, for sure. But is it more about due process or more about overturning the system?

For sure. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think we have to overturn the system. Is the American system the actual problem? I think you will have to say that at this point because there, even when you try to rearrange things, it seems like we keep getting back to the same point, that people being oppressed. Taking down the capitalist system, taking down the white system, taking down the political system. Is that our goal?

Yeah, that is a goal. The capitalist system? Yes, the democratic system, yes. The capitalist system, the political system, the white system, yeah? overturned this whole American system. The whole system is a good. Do we want to replace it with what? I don't, that's the thing.

That's the thing. That's the thing. That's the thing. And then he goes on to say, like something like Afghanistan, maybe. They're like, yeah, maybe. Now, let's be fair. Ami, who, by the way, is dressed like in a CCCP t-shirt and a Kafa, is creating what I'm sure he thinks is a safe space for them to say what they actually think.

He's also asking leading questions. and that'd be a fair thing to point out. But they're willingly going along. I'd rather tear down the system. It's not really about due process. It's about tearing down the system. What system? Capitalism, the American form of governance, our political system, and replace it with what?

Now, they don't have a good answer, and they willingly walk down a leading question, down the rosy path toward, I don't know, Afghanistan, maybe, because they're not smart, because they're stupid. But also because destruction is easy and creation is hard. And destruction is attractive. I don't know, to the permanent malcontent. I want to tear it down. What are you going to replace with it? I don't know. Hey, listen, I'll have a debate with you.

I'll tell you the democracy is not the utopic vision of government. It's not. It's only the answer to the question of what's better. Until you can find something better, it's the best that we have available. And before you tear down, the best that we have available, you should probably have some idea of what you want to replace it with. Replace this system. I have my complaints about our system.

I agree. System, not exactly perfect. do we know what we want to replace it with that might be a smart thing before you go take a wrecking ball to it you know but again these are masked as you point out will yourself not very smart kids they're all wearing masks by the way of some sort and so they don't represent you know a mainstream view on the left but here's a genuine question what is a mainstream view on the left again if i'm except this social psychology report from the british journal of social psychology it can't be that far away like even if that's divergent remember the dime-sized in your mind's eye

dime-sized divergent views on the left right it's not that far away it's not skewed i mean again it's not even close to the diversity on the right so if these kids are let's let's grant for the minute they're not the center of that starburst that starbursts isn't very big so they're not very far away from the views of what would be called mainstream on the left is brandon john the mayor of Chicago, democratically elected in that city? Is he also on the outside of that starburst? Or do we have to accept, well, he's Democratic elected, so he's not a rioter on the street. So he's probably more towards the middle.

Okay, well, we'll still not in the middle. We don't all believe that way. Yes. But you're not far away, according to research. And again, as he continues, as laid out very well by Tim Poole on trigonometry. And by George, we should say why as well. They're scared of their own side. It's a cult.

So I can sit in front of a libertarian like Dave Smith who is going to rant about how Israel is bad and Charlie Kirk at the same time and we leave with beers in our hands, smiles on our faces. And Dave will say, Charlie, I really do appreciate it. I think you do good work. I know we disagree. The left doesn't do that. They fire bomb your buildings. Or they just don't show up. Or they try to get you fired. They swat you. They harass you. The reason I say it's a cult is because you could not define what they believe. It's impossible. could not map the logic of their principles or plan for this country. It's about feelings. Yeah. It's, I think it is, but if you break it down, it's largely about adhering to the murmuration. The left swings around randomly in random directions. Nobody knows exactly where they're turning left or right or up or down.

They're just trying to make sure they stay safely in a position where someone else won't bludgeon them with a bike lock. All right. The two guys on Trigonobody say we can't even get left is to come onto our podcast. I know that I have trouble booking leftist on the Will Kane show for debate because they don't want to debate. They don't want to converse. They want to enforce their viewpoint. And to the point of it, randomly moving around in you not being able to define the beliefs,

I could sit here for you. And I will. If you tune in at 4 o'clock on the Fox News channel, which I encourage you to do, I will. I could play for you clips from Bernie Sanders, from Bill Clinton, from Barack Obama and their viewpoints on illegal immigration and it wouldn't fit inside that modern day tiny starbursts of acceptable views on the left. In fact, without a doubt, those kids on the street

and Brandon Johnson are more acceptable and fitting into that tiny little starburst than Obama from 2010, Clinton from 95, or Sanders from 20, 2015. And they wouldn't even listen to debate or give time to that version of Democrats. So I ask you again, who is extreme? Is it not the entirety at this point of the left? We'll break this down plus the effort to censor Joe Rogan by two former presidents. Let's guess who they are. We don't know. We can make some guesses. Who would call Spotify? What former presence would call Spotify

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I was just telling two days, one of my producers, he said, I like that mono. That was good. And I said, well, thanks, man. And I said, you know, the truth is it was completely, you know, off the top of my head. Like, that's not scripted what I just did, right? And I said, but it, and I said, it doesn't, I don't speak in 30-second sound bites. So how does that work with social media? You know, I do a 10-minute riff, and it goes where it's going to go.

Look at Patrick. He's already frustrated. Tenfold's like, yeah, you're hard to clip for social. Is that what you think, Patrick? I've been doing this for three years. I've been saying, hey, can we, like, get like a short bit at the top just for social, and then you can go into your brand. Well, we're not tailoring our show for social media.

We don't work that way. I don't think that way. Yeah, I can't. I can't. If I'm being real and authentic and saying what I think, I can't go, well, here's my 30 seconds for Instagram. But two days suggests actually he's got me figured out that it's not random. It's not complete stream of consciousness. He has my rhythm down and he knows how to clip me. So I just told me all this during the commercial break. So I'm like, okay, explain me to me. Because I don't know my predictability. So I've been listening to you for a year and a half producing the show. And I got to make clips for the for social. media and I can tell in your monologues the quick points you make so I kind of like edit them so I could tell your like main things you lock down on and your algorithm of will I guess you could say that have kind of like now man weaved a little bit I mean it's different every day but I get your rhythm a little more now I don't get my own rhythm I know in that this is why

I've never been good at social media I think it's all connected like how are you going to take that part of what I had to say. It's connected to what I said at the beginning and it's going to be connected to what I have to say. I figured it out. It's thematically got a through line. I don't know where your 30 seconds that actually works is. So let's just see if you've got it figured out. We'll see what you post. A lot of pressure on Facebook and Instagram and on X. Speaking of YouTube, he's off and running on a very successful launch. It is Link Lauren who now has the spot on with Link Lauren show. And as I've been told by some mutual friends, that we enjoy already racking up subscribers very successfully on YouTube. What's up, Link?

Hey, Will, great to see you. I haven't seen you in so long. And thank you for hyping up the show. That was very kind. Thank you. Yeah, well, it's all true from what I hear. Yeah, you're often running on YouTube. Share some of those subscribers with us here at the Will Kane Show. And it's nice of you to join us there from whatever, like Lake Champlain in Vermont, like whatever your background is of mountains, pine trees in a lake. Well, there is a full discussion. What background should we have today? Let's do the mountains. We're in the mountains, Rocky Mountain High. We're listening to John Denver.

So we did the mountains. You are coming to us broadcasting from Colorado? No, coming to you from Wyoming. Oh, yeah, you know, Colorado has got too much of a market monopoly on the Rockies Are Us. I mean, I lived in Montana in a stretch of the Rocky Mountains, so you're right. It goes from New Mexico through Colorado, up through Wyoming, all the way up to Montana. And there's multiple states that get some claim. the Rockies, not just Colorado, right? Thank you. Thank you for representing

Absolutely. Wyoming here today. Okay, I want to talk about this with you. I want to talk about Joe Rogan for a minute. We're just talking about some of the ideological uniformity and enforcement on the left. Your former, by the way, you used to work for RFK Jr., someone who has diverged from that monopoly of thought on the left. And Joe Rogan has said that during COVID, he experienced two separate presidents, apparently, who called Spotify to try to get him off the air over some of the things that he was saying. What do you make of what he's telling us? Can we make some guesses on who those two presidents might be?

Well, I fully believe it. I'm thinking Joe Biden, maybe Barack Obama. This sounds very Democrat because they run their party sort of like the mafia. You have to stay in line. You have to stay with the talking points. so you have to do what we say, or we're going to censor you, silence you, and push you out of the party. And that's what we saw with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. We saw it with Tulsi Gabbard. So many Democrats have defected from the left. That's why Trump won every single swing state and 312 electoral college votes.

So I think it's probably Barack Obama's people and Biden's people from the White House, would be my guess. Okay. I think you're half right. I think we can safely bet that Barack Obama is one of the two. But he said two former presidents. Well, Joe Biden would have been a sitting president, so he wouldn't have been one of the two. It was two former presidents that Joe Rogan suggested. So I agree one of them has to be Obama. Did Obama not have a deal with Spotify as well? I'm not sure he had a documentary deal.

I think he did have a podcast deal as well with Spotify. So he would have had a direct line. And so then who's the second? And okay, you said possibly George W. Bush. You said Bill Clinton. There's a third name that I would consider, and that is Jimmy Carter, although I don't know the health of Jimmy Carter in 2020. Was he capable? Was he already in hospice?

Was he that engaged? I do think it's the type of thing and the type of mindset he would have pushed back on. Oh, Joe Rogan, faxes, COVID. That would have been something that Jimmy Carter would have probably a muscle he flexed, but I don't know that he was capable of flexing that muscle. So that leaves me with George W. Bush or Bill Clinton, I don't think George W. Bush. I just don't think he would have done that. I think he hasn't stayed in politics in front of the camera. So he's possibly been involved in wielding influence behind the scenes, but I still would be a little surprised. So I am going to go with Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton.

Absolutely. Yeah, no, I could believe that. I think what we saw during COVID was there were a lot of social media companies and big tech. They were all pressure to censor speech. And then all the things we were discussing online ended up being true like yeah we should have gotten fresh air we should have gotten some sunlight some vitamin d maybe the vaccines didn't work the way we thought they were going to so everything we were discussing during covid ended up coming to fruition and we ended up being on the right side of history but i'm not shocked at all that they tried to censor joe rogan but good luck trying to censor joe rogan i think he has a few money i don't think he's going to do what people tell him to yeah but it does bring up an interesting thought about what is the future like you're

building your own media empire link in now a podcast and digital streaming show with spot on. Obviously, Joe Rogan is huge. I was talking, and I don't think he'll mind if I shared this other day with the former governor of Texas, Rick Perry, and he was telling me, man, I was walking downtown street, downtown in Dallas, and I walked past the Dallas Morning News. And I just remember that not that long ago, this was the center of power, not just in the city of Dallas but in the state of Texas. If you were running for something, you needed to engage with the Dallas Morning News. And today it looks almost empty. And I asked him, yeah, but where do you think

that exists today? Like, where is that if you're running or you need influence, where is it that you go? And he said, well, it is still clearly Fox. Fox wields incredible influence. And then he brought up Rogan as well. And he said podcasts are really powerful. But I do wonder, Link, like what does that look like in five years this whole thing is changing so fast in fact yesterday i had matt taibi of racket dot news on the show and we talked about the future here for a moment listen or is the future by the way that it goes back to being like a trade to your point like AI again and all that is going to make this information such a commodity really the only role might be analysis and opinion to take to look at what is objective

information and tell you what it means well that's an interesting point because you could easily automate a lot of the other stuff and yeah the the rest of it could just be presentation analysis which would be interesting i hope it's not that way okay so link the reason i bring that back up today is there's a report in the wall street journal that ai is crushing websites so in other words if you and i wanted to know something in the past as recently as a year ago we would have googled it and then you'd click on a link and you'd go somewhere. But now people are going to chat GPT or perplexity and they're asking it and there's no external links. So all these websites like Business Insider apparently has seen a 50% drop in traffic. These websites are getting crushed.

So what's the future of power and influence, maybe just AI. Well, what's interesting is these news organizations, they can blame AI, they can blame technology for the reason their numbers have gone down. But the reason nobody's tuning into your news stations or news sites anymore is because you've betrayed the trust of the American people, like MSNBC, they've lied and gaslit the American people. CNN, they get on air almost every single night, except for Scott Jennings, and lie and try to gaslight the American people. I mean, for years, they went out there and told us Joe Biden was the spry whippersnapper. He's doing cartwheels and private and gymnastics. They told us not to believe what we were seeing with our own eyes. And so you can only lie to people so long until they

turn off your channel or turn off your site and go someplace else where they're going to get the truth, well. That is absolutely all true. Credibility was incinerated by not just television networks to your point, but also to news websites. And that's going to have a big depressing effect on it. But I do wonder, I really think information gathering link like, I don't know, I think within five years and maybe less, maybe less is going to be completely different. And AI is going to make so much of us obsolete and i'm not going to put myself you know on a mountaintop maybe me maybe you like right now as i'm not just saying this your numbers doing really well you're part of the mk network meg and kelly you guys are doing really well i'm setting i mean i always feel like a debag

when i say it but i'm setting ratings records on fox and and as well on this show but i don't Take that for granted, man. I don't know that in five years, people will be turning to the same platforms to get their information. Well, I think you either have charisma and star power or you don't. I mean, the people that, you know, you want to watch are the ones who are entertaining. You want to get your news with a little bit of entertainment as well. Nobody wants to watch some boring snooze fest. So I think the people who will sustain AI technology or not are the ones who can keep a captive audience.

So if you're entertaining, if you can deliver the news, if you can deliver the truth, and have a good time, you'll probably still be around. That's a good point. Until they A-I-Us, there's a more entertaining version of both of us. They can just read it. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with the host of Spot On with Link Lauren here on the Will Kane Show. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio.

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Take the quiz every day at the quiz. Then come back here to see how you did. Thank you for taking the quiz. Welcome back to the Will Kane Show. We're still hanging out with Link Lauren, the host of Spot On with Link Lauren. Speaking of entertaining, I thought I'd bring this up with you today. The New York Post, according to Yelp, has published a ranking of French fries. Okay.

Did my team send this to you? do you already know the rankings link yes they sent it to me i was studying it like the sate yes i know that you were unfortunately you already know this so everybody listening at home right now listening to watching home let's just do this really quickly just think it inside don't you know you can say it out loud because you're sitting at your work desk or you're driving around in your car who's got the best french fries all right just think it now we're all going to say it together you know what the answer has been i know what the answer has been we're all going to say it together, mostly. Ready? One, two, three. McDonald's. We all leave. It's, it's McDonald's, right?

No. According to Yelp, McDonald's second to last, the only worst french fry. This is according to people on Yelp, is KFC. Lee. Okay, if we're having this debate about who has the best fast food french fries, it has to be McDonald's, but there's a caveat, okay? They have to be fresh, hot, piping hot fries with a ton of salt. And then they have those fries that are down in the bottom of the bag, you know, when you're on a long road trip. McDonald's has the breast fries, bar none. I don't know about this Wendy's KFC nonsense. These aren't restaurants that I frequent.

So, no, I think McDonald's definitely is a winner. Wendy's not on the top 10 or the bottom five, KFC, the worst. Should have studied harder. By the way, I've never done this, but have you ever done the Wendy's thing where you take the fries and then you put them in the, what does Wendy's call their chocolate shake? I can't remember, a frosty. So you take the fries and you dip them in the frosty? Yeah.

No, I haven't done that. I'm not that disgusting. Come on, Link. Sweet and savory at the same time. Here are, I'm going to give you your top six because I think they're, well, most of them are brand names. I don't know. Actually, I don't know one of these. Never been to it.

Never heard of it. Number six, raising canes. They have crinkle cut fries, big ones. Number five, Chick-fil-A, waffle fries. That's controversial because I'm a huge Chick-fil-A fan, as most people around here are. But I've never heard somebody seeing the praises of Chick-fil-A's fries. They're not bad.

No. Chick-fil-A is amazing, and I get eviscerated for saying I love Chick-fil-A because apparently they don't like gay people. Don't make me choose between gay rights and Chick-fil-A because that's going to be a tough debate for me. I love Chick-fil-A. I love Polynesian sauce.

Chick-fil-A sauce. I actually think Chick-fil-A might be my favorite fast-food restaurant. So don't make me choose between the gays and Chick-fil-A. Yeah. I think it's mine, too. by the way um trying to think what what would beat chick fillet i don't raising canes is really good i like as someone from dallas i do like canes to be honest they have the cane sauce and that big piece of bread and the coleslaw so i will say i do love canes but i just haven't had it in so

long we have to look good on the mk network we have to be thin and fit and we can't eat fast food sir well by the way if you're from the south um this is the other chicken chain that everybody loves and I've had it one time I think which is Bojangles and they come in at number four and then number three is the one I've never heard of Link Freddy's frozen custard and steak burgers

I don't know where Freddy's is across the country and somebody in the radio and streaming service is getting mad you don't know either I don't know about Fred's no clue not at all second best fries shake shack and that's they are good and it's a great burger and number one according to Yelp

in and out, in and out, which is good as well. There's your top 10 fries, top six. Man, we're getting into the hard news this morning, you guys. If you tuned in, we are doing the hard news. No, I think McDonald's still number one. Chick-fil-A in general, if I had to choose between McDonald's or Chick-fil-A, like let's say I'm at Love Field or something, I'm going to get the Chick-fil-A, 100%. But the line is always way too long.

We are getting into the hard news. We're going to stay in it, too. Actually, I'm going to give you a little break into something more in your wheelhouse and a little something more newsworthy. And that is, DNC vice chair, David Hogg, has been booted. He was not popular for a stretch. James Carvel went after him. A lot of people in the DNC didn't like the message he was pushing for them. But the justification for pushing him out is they need more diversity.

So in other words, he's white, he's straight, he's male. No, I think the DNC needs to go back to the drawing board because they are having a major identity crisis. If you look at the Democrats right now, what identity do they have besides Trump derangement syndrome? They want illegals in the country. They want MS-13 running amok. They want men and women's sports. They want open borders. They want wars around the world.

They want censorship. That's who the left is right now. They're also losing young men. And did they think a little pipsqueak like David Hogg was going to help them get young men back? No, they need someone like a Charlie Kirk or someone like President Trump. to get the young men back. So I'm not surprised to see that David Hogg was ousted. I don't think he has much of a career, a future career in politics because he's really not that interesting. But in the DNC, you don't have to be that talented to rise to the top. But now he's been booted. So goodbye, David.

Yeah, but they're not going to replace him with a Charlie Kirk or Donald Trump. They're going to replace him with like a cream Jean-Pierre. Right. They're going to find some like a cream Jean-Pierre. This is what the DNC should do. Honestly, in 2028, the Democratic nominee is probably going to be like a transgender member of MS-13. Because that is their identity right now. They're going to have to find some like pan-African Latino, non-binary 600-pound whale to be their Democratic nominee in 2028 because they have to check every single freaking box instead of just nominating the best person. They should have had a mini primary last time, but they ended up with drunk Kamala Harris who could barely form a coherent sentence. So the Democrats, good luck to you. Good luck in the midterms.

Good luck in 2028. And if you think Gavin Newsome, if you think Newsome is the future of your party, you guys are even dumber than I thought. this man can't even handle the riots going on in Los Angeles. So good luck to you, DNC. Good freaking luck. Yeah. But, you know, to your point of finding the best person, not just box checking, I mean, good luck on that. Like, if they were, even if they were not beholden to quotas and ideological lockboxes, if they were just saying, okay, we're going to do this purely on popularity and merit, competency, I don't know where you would go. Like, because the answer is not Gavin Newsom. I think this entire riot situation has really incinerated Gavin Newsom's political future.

Like, I don't think he can, I think all you have to do is show a picture of a shirtless dude, masked, standing before flames and smoke on top of a burned out waymo, wearing an American, waving an American flag. And that's it. That's the end of Gavin Newsom, right there. There's nobody in America that sees that as an image of America. And so therefore, what I'm telling you is, okay send me your best dims who who Pete Buttigieg Rahm Emanuel like these are the names that the serious people try to start talking about but I don't see it I don't see it for anybody no one lives up to the vision of what we would expect when you say give me your best absolutely I mean Pete Buttigieg he fixed some potholes in south bend Indiana he ended up secretary of transportation because I don't know he endorsed Biden and then he didn't show up for weeks in East Palestinian

Ohio when people had toxic sludge pouring into their community. So Pete Buttigieg, don't think he's going to be the nominee in 2028. And he also seems a little too thirsty. Okay, gay to gay, you look a little thirsty, Pete. You want it a little too much. Gavin Newsom, he's not going to be the nominee. His fire hydrants didn't have water. He's running a deficit that's tens of billions of dollars. He can't handle the riots going on in his own state. So Gavin Newsom is an utter calamity and a failure. And we're also watching Gavin Newsome crack and unravel. I really don't say this as a joke. We're watching. We're watching Gavin Newsom come unglued. The guy does not look well. He's sweating. He's not sleeping. He can't get his story straight. Is it Trump's fault or is it my fault? It's your state. And they're your

people and they're your criminals. So I don't know what the hell the Democrats are going to do in 28. Maybe it's Jasmine Crockett. But like I said, I think they should nominate a transgender member of MS-13. Maybe Kilmar-Abrego-Garcia could be their nominee because they all love him so much and want to kiss him and heap him with praise and adulation. That is the Democrat identity right now. Maybe Dylan Mulvaney. He just has to transition. Yeah, Dylan Mulvaney gets an MS-13 tap shoe on his forehead and a couple of teardrops. Dylan Mulvaney could be the nominee.

Who knows? Who knows? I like this. I like this. Okay, before we go back to hard-hitting news. Okay, you a pet guy? Link? Yeah, I love pets.

My family has dogs, yes. Your family has dogs. You don't have one. You're not a cat guy. You're a dog guy? Okay. So my boyfriend, who apparently is my partner. I don't like that word.

we're not playing pickleball. Okay, he's my boyfriend. He is allergic to dogs, apparently. He says he's allergic to dogs, and this has been some BS stories since I met the man years and years ago. So we don't have a dog. I also travel too much for the dog.

It would be neglected. But I do love animals, okay? I'm not a sociopath, Will. I do love dogs. It's a good point about sociopathy. Like, I used to get onto the Secretary of Defense about not being a dog guy. He's a cat guy, though.

I'm like, what? Who's a cat guy? There's a joke in there that I'm not going to bite at the joke in there. Oh, yeah, no, I love dogs. I can probably see where you're going. No, so this just was published. It's bad for you to sleep with your pets. Cats make sense.

They said cats get the zoomies, and you always see those videos, and how they pounce on you in the middle of the night. I want nothing to do with a cat, nothing. But they say dogs, not good. If they sleep in your bed and mine don't, bad, germs, allergies, you don't breathe well. But even if they sleep in your room, they don't have the same sleep cycles as human beings so they wake up they scratch their bed that's true

they do but it's healthier they say well it's healthy to have a dog it's not healthy for them to sleep in your room and that sounds like sacrilege i mean where are they going to sleep in the living room outside what is this 1985 they're not sleeping outside i feel like it's a minor victory they're not in my bed no uh we're not supposed to sleep with our pets man i've been to bed with a few dogs in my day. So I don't know about this study. I don't know about this man. I think you should sleep with your pets. I mean, in my family, we always worship our dogs. I think my mom sleeps with her dogs every single night, which is probably a problem for her boyfriend, too. But yeah, no, I love all dogs. Let them sleep in the bed. Don't leave them in a crate or in the other side of the house.

Make them a part of your family. And I don't buy all this, what, it's disrupting your circadian rhythms. Are you that light of a sleeper? You know, get over it. Get over it. Grow up here. I think in the room, not in the bed. That's my health advice. That's Will Kane's health advice. In the room. Before we go, hey, Link, I heard you're a musician. I didn't know that. Or it was at least at one time, a musician. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes, no, I went to NYU. I studied music business, and I was in a show at Carnegie Hall with Vanessa Williams and all these people. So, yeah, I have a whole past life. Wow. Listen to music. I remember covering theater, kid. That's how I ended up here.

You and the rest of media. Yes, exactly. Brian, do you, what, so we're about to do this on the Will Kane show, but I have to ask a professionally trained theater kid musician. Uh-huh. Is this too old for you? Is Brian Wilson too old for you? Are you familiar? Do you revere? Do you revere? I love the Beach Boys. No, isn't too old? Yeah, we lost Brian Wilson yesterday. And the question is, I know. We're going to have to debate next. Is he the greatest American musician or songwriter, singular?

Not as a group, not the Beach Boys, but him. And if not, who is? If it not Brian Wilson? Oh my gosh. If it's not Brian Wilson, I feel like this is so hard. I hate these best categories. Oh, this is the best person. This is the best person. I feel like it's up to you. Okay. I love the Beach Boys. What I say Brian Wilson is what Brian Wilson is the best musician of all time. I don't know. I don't think so. I love David Bowie. I love so many legends. Yeah. Well, the debate is American. And the funny thing is if your only exposure to Brian Wilson is the early Beach Boys, you don't fully appreciate, not you link, you don't fully appreciate exactly what a musical genius he was and it would as it's commonly said there would be no

sergeant pepper's album for the beatles if not for brian wilson we're going to explain coming up on the will cane show all right check him out at spot on with link lorn it is link lincoln we appreciate you being with us today link thank you so much will i'll see you again soon thank you so much okay take care man all right so if it's not bion wilson who is it plus my top five songs from the beach boys next on The Will Cain Show. This is Jimmy Phala, inviting you to join me for Fox Across America, where we'll discuss every single one of the Democrats' dumb ideas. Just kidding.

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the rioters are calling for, tear down the system. If you missed any of this, I think we made a pretty compelling and interesting case about data that represents the ideological lack of diversity on the left, and if it's not diverse, how much does the extreme actually define it? How much does a kid saying, tear down the system? Or Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson saying, we're seeing what would happen if the South had won the Civil War actually represent the left. If you're on the left and you're in the comment section or you're a member of the Brooklyn brunch crew, go ahead and make your case on how you are so

ideologically different than that kid in California. We lost Brian Wilson, the man behind the engine of the Beach Boys yesterday. He died at the age of 82. A lifetime of mental health issues, drug abuse, addiction, food addiction. He was in some ways abducted by his therapist who held power of attorney over him and he had to be rescued by his family after many years of not being in control of his own life and yet a genius, a musical genius as lauded by everyone who knows anything about music. Both tinfoil Pat and two a days Dan fashioned themselves as much greater musical geniuses than do I. I never put music at the top of my list of expertise.

But we have a bracket, right? Two a days. We do. You today have for us a little bit of a competition to answer the question is Brian Wilson the greatest American musician of all time. Yeah, we'll do a little music for this one if that's all right with you. So we're going to do round by round. So there's a few rounds of different types of why they're the best of musicians. So round one is melodic genius.

So first off, we're going to go Brian Wilson up against Billy Joel. One guy made you cry in a surfboard, the other made you cry in a bar. So who's a better melodic genius? Brian Wilson. Melodic. So that means like melodies of a song, like a chorus or a verse, and singing, the melodies of the singing. Who's better? Billy Joel, Brian Wilson, and the Beach Boys.

Okay, recency bias is always very hard to overcome. Billy Joel, of course, 80s and 90s. I think he started in the 70s, right? He did. But Brian Wilson, while he spanned decades and decades, most of what we know of, the biggest hits are 60s, 70s, and maybe a little bit of 80s,

assuming he was involved in Kokomo, which, by the way, is a great song. What? But, Coca-mo's a great song as well. He doesn't like it when it comes on. He wasn't involved in Cocoa. Well, I still love it.

Sure. We'll give credit to Al Jardine and Mike Love. Pretty sure he wanted to kill that song. Give credit to the Beach Boys. I love Kokomo, too. It did make my top five, thank goodness, because you musical snobs would have crushed me. Yeah, I would have.

But I would just give in facts. Bermuda, Jamaica. Nope, I'm cutting your mic. I'm cutting your mic. Bahama. Come on, pretty mama. You would like that song. Come on, you can keep going.

Key Largo, Montigo. I know you want to go. We'll get there fast and then we'll take it slow. We're losing viewers really fast. Once you get started, once you get started, you can't stop. It's like a laced potato chip. You can't just eat one. Once you get started on one line, you have to keep going on Kocomo.

I challenge you. I challenge you listening at home. Just sing one line of Kokemo and see if you can stop. You got to keep going. Can't do it. Okay, I believe, and I outsource some of my judgment on this, I will readily admit, you know. Okay, two things for me.

Billy Joel, I'm going to get so, people are going to get so mad at me when I say this, is a little bit like Bruce Springsteen. Not as much. What I mean by that is this. He is a regional superstar, American star. Now, he exceeded Bruce Springsteen. What I mean by that is if you grow up in the Northeast, Billy Joel and Bruce Springsteen are bigger.

to you than if you grow up somewhere else. That's not to say there aren't people in Texas or California that don't love Billy Joel. Of course they do. He's big. He's gigantic. But I promise you, however you grew up in whatever state in this country, it's not as big as if you grew up in New York. Okay?

If you grew up in New York and New Jersey, these guys are gods to you, Springsteen and Joel. They define your area, right? Don't you think that's fair? In the same way, I would feel perhaps about George Strait or Willie Nelson. They're big, they're big, but however big they are wherever you live, they're bigger in Texas. And that's who Billy Joel and Bruce Springsteen are. Is that fair? Yes, but I think they transcend that.

I mean, Bruce Springsteen less so, but Billy Joel transcends. I mean, he's the king of pop music, like piano pop. I don't know about that. Bruce Springsteen is a little pigeonholed into New Jersey, New York. I'll be honest with you. Yeah, I said, Joel is bigger in Springsteen. I just I was actually just listening to Billy Joel this morning for just randomly and I was I was just surprised how many bangers he has like it's just really good music you can't everyone knows Billy Joel songs and if there's one playing on a jukebox in a bar everyone's singing as loud as they can to any of this I think it's all fair it's true it's true is that happened with the beach however oh just in a different era no doubt and we could play

the game right now, just like we do with Kokomo, on any of those old songs. Surfing USA, Surfer Girl, you'd know. You would know it. Now, would everybody go, oh, it's a banger? Because the Beach Boys, for some reason, have also become a punchline to people. They think it's too popcorn, bubble gum. But you know it. Wouldn't it be nice if we could, like that type of stuff, you know?

Everything. Well, now you're getting into pet sounds, which we're going to talk about in a minute, which is a different Beach Boys. musical genius Beach Boys. That's the one everybody talks about Brian Wilson being a melodic genius, meaning overlaying harmonies, overlaying melodies on top of one another. In the studio as a composer, people say Brian Wilson was, look, I don't know about Mozart, right? But he was for pop music, the biggest genius there is in terms of composition. So I think as great as Billy Joel is, and I'm not taking away,

Brian Wilson is considered the biggest genius of musical composition, which I think would qualify under your category here of melodies. I would tend to agree. It's a close, close call for me because I think Billy Joel writes some of the best melodies ever. But yeah, I think you're right in that. I would back that. Agreed.

Okay. All right. Agreed. Three. Round two. We're going with emotional honesty. Who lays their soul to bear most in a song? and you're not going to like this

because you were just talking about him but we're going to go Brian Wilson versus Bruce Springsteen Oh I know wow you picked Springsteen Yeah because it's emotional It's it's the hard The blue collar man

You know that kind of thing Man It is really hard when you think about songs like Shorten bread or vegetables Which Brian Wilson Brian Wilson hits Yeah And there are obviously

a lot. By the way, he loved his food, by the way. That was the story. He was addicted. They called him the hamburger sessions. The way they got Brian Wilson motivated was to bring him some McDonald's and cocaine. And he was all ready to go to then bang out some all-time hits. You know, if you had picked somebody else besides Springsteen two a days, I think I would have been tempted to go over Brian Wilson. Can we change it? But here's the thing. I think Springsteen does believe in a lot of that blue collar stuff but i also think he's a fraud in a lot of ways and that he's played that he's played that imagery for commerce i don't i'm not saying he didn't start there but that's his bit you know and he's far from it that's not who he is anymore yeah

he's an elite and i get it like listening to you know um i don't know little deuce coop doesn't sound like the deepest song in the world but as brian wilson got more control over his music, and the way he was so tortured, they say that, like, whatever, God only knows. That stuff is, like, him actually pouring himself in his emotional depth into those songs. And so I'm going to give it to Brian Wilson over Bruce Springs team.

But that being said, on this category, I think you could have picked someone else that would have beaten Brian Wilson. How about this? How about James Taylor? I think James Taylor is a better representation of that as an American songwriter. He's deeply emotional.

And pouring his emotion into it. Pouring his emotion into a song. Fire and Rain, dude, that is one of the best songs ever written. Emotional. Man, is, am I being ridiculous if I say, like, you know who I hear I hear emotion in? It's like Chris Stapleton. Like, that's like a man, it sounds like bearing his soul in his music. I don't know.

That might be his voice, but yeah. It might be his voice. That's true, as opposed to his writing. Yeah. Okay, I will give this to the field at large. I will submit that Brian Wilson doesn't become the number one in America for bearing his emotional soul in his, in his lyrics, in his lyrics. Because I do think he's more about the music than the lyrics. Exactly.

That's correct. I agree. All right. Round three. Cultural impact. Whose music reshaped America in a bigger way. do we have Brian Wilson or Bob Dylan this is a this is a tough one

reshaping America cultural impact Like I'm tempted to go Brian Wilson quickly Sure now I'm actually a Dylan I'm actually a Dylan fan I like a lot of that stuff and I know that You know he was a bridge from like You know 50s type music that was what much more shallow

Into deeper poetry songwriting folk music and then and then ultimately bringing in electric and guitar into that but okay I've said this before and I find this fascinating I talk about it with people a lot like my mom the other day said about my son who's a junior in high school like he's not thinking about going west at all now I want to go to college in Texas but to the extent he's looking out of state like everybody else he's looking at the SEC he's looking at the south no one thinks of USC where I went as much pepper dine you know Arizona

the west had such a cultural pull for so long in America that no longer exist and I think a huge part of that cultural pool was the beach boys like they made everybody in America think about surfing that became such a huge thing

and of course it went on from the beach boys and grew in California became its own thing huge beyond that but I think the beach boys were huge in pointing the nation's focus west, like towards California. Yeah. And by the way, it was a whole vibe.

It was the vibe. Yeah, and I don't know if this is where we bring it up, but this is where we start talking about pet sounds and their cultural impact on the rest of music. The next topic is, but yeah. Which Dylan had as well, but it's probably, am I just doing it because he died yesterday and I want to say Brian Wilson and everything? I think it might be Brian Wilson. Go ahead, Tinfoil. So, so I think you're right. I mean, like, because Brian Wilson did have an impact also on, you know, the Beatles, like you kind of mentioned.

But Bob Dylan, you know, had an impact on folk music in general. And like early rock, he changed to like Paul, Paul Simon, you know, like Paul Simon was like, oh, no, Bob Dylan. Without Bob Dylan, we wouldn't have, you know, a lot of the direction that they went in as well. So, Bob, he also, he also covered, you know, Jimmy Hendricks covered one of his songs, which was a big, you know, hit. So Bob Dylan changed the entire musical landscape in America It started with folk music And then he changed everything after that So yes

It didn't stop the way Do you think it says something about the beach boys Like that you just said Jimmy Hendricks covered Bob Dylan Nobody covers the beach boys right Can you think of any In other words like how do you do it How do you do it better

It's like music that you don't repeat and make better in some way. You could play a Billy Joel song on piano, but you can't redo Beach Boys. You could never, no one else could touch good vibrations. No. Except Marky Mark.

And, and, I didn't know we were talking about him today, but. You can't do it, right? There was something else about Brian Wilson versus Bob Dylan, I was going to say, they're both influenced by your latter-day images of them.

Brian Wilson has, and I'm not saying this is true, though, everybody has this image. Oh, he's this overweight, you know, manic depressive, kind of goofy looking and undercuts his genius. And Bob Dylan, who I've seen in concert, because I am a fan, if you've ever listened to him, undercuts his own genius. Like, you go listen to Bob Dylan, live, and you're going to be like, I don't think I do like Bob Dylan. Like, just listen to his old stuff, stick with the way it sounded originally because the way he's

doing it now and has been doing for the last couple of decades is horrific. Yep. Agreed. All right. Moving on. Round number four is Studio Brilliance, who redefined how music got made in the studio. This is where we get into PetSounds, especially. So we're going with Brian Wilson versus Prince. And this is a hard one because Prince did a lot of things.

Purple Rain, all those different things. He redefined what it meant to make a studio album. But Brian Wilson did that with the Beach Boys. in the 60s already so right did it first exactly right and and is is in and there's a difference between being great which prince was and and being someone who blew everybody's mind at the time and said I didn't know you could do that with music yes or I didn't know you could do that with pop music and that's what he did with pet sounds yeah right that's what he did with pet sounds not all the other songs we've been talking about but the pet sounds album which by the way tanked as well at the time right

And it blew everybody's mind, including the other beach boys. They're like, what is this? How do, this is. And he basically did that by himself, I think. Like, he did it all by himself. Right. And he's holed up with a piano and then a band and layering stuff on top of each other and comes back. And it was so influential, they said, and you can tell us better than me two a days.

But when the Beatles heard it, they were like, we got to change. We got to get better. Yeah, Paul McCarty basically said we have to completely redefine what we think we're doing. when he heard pet sounds and that was sergeant pepper which came out but paul mccardy was blown away they didn't admit it at the time because they were directly competing because the beach boys were huge in england also so they were directly competing but yeah it was just completely impactful on what happened to the beatles maybe even broke them up who knows so brian wilson yes i would say brian wilson but prince is just you know he's the closest i could think of to be to be the next person to really do

that. All right. Is that it for our categories? One last round, if that's okay with you. Influence on future artists. Whose legacy looms larger

in today's music. We're going Brian Wilson who, you know, people like sample, or are we going Tom Petty, who really redefined Americana, Heartland Rock music,

all that kind of stuff. Who impacts artists more now? Brian Wilson or Tom Petty? I love Tom Petty But when you say impacts musicians now Yeah Are you talking about how much they sample them or copy them No like what he did like

Writing styles what he did in the studios That kind of thing Tom Petty's more of the sound He's like the blueprint for You know Americana rock and things like that Rock bands Kings of Leon killers All that kind of thing

Right Well I don't think many modern musicians go into a studio and go, let's do something like the Beach Boys. Like what the Beatles did, then I don't think people are doing that today. And... Radiohead?

You have to play the game of extrapolation. Well, then how many people said, we got to do what the Beatles are doing. And then from that, you know, keep growing because Brian Wilson is sort of the starting point of that. But I guess you hear... And this is where I'm an idiot. You hear...

I'm a musical. idiot like you hear more tom petty ish music out there yes than you do beach boys i would agree with that but i think just in terms of style and things you may not listen to it's more like indie music i think brian wilson impacted the most like guys like tam and paula um they might not know but yeah he has beach boys and brine wilson has a huge impact on a lot of modern indie music the two big the two people i mean american american music that like had the most impact influence on people that I hear over and over again are Brian Wilson and Paul Simon. Like even on punk music.

True. It's crazy how much influence they have. Yep. Brian Wilson on punk music or Paul Simon or both? Both of them. They're proto punk in some ways. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I've got college indie rock with two of days and I've got the sex pistols and

Blitz Creek Bob with tinfoil pass. The Ramones? No, like skate punk, you know, mid-90s stuff. He likes to thrash his hair. Yeah, like butthole surfers. He likes to thrash his hair around. All right, so there I think we have it. I think unless there's a better suggestion in the comments section,

it really is possible, if not probable, that Brian Wilson, the most influential pop rock musician. And by the way, I think we actually. overlooked some pretty influential categories like blues. We overlooked guys like Chuck Barry. We overlooked guys like James James Brown. Yeah, but if you keep rewinding the clock, that is all

rock. Like Elvis is based on those guys. And to be clear, black artists spinning out of the blues. Or the Beatles. I mean, for that matter, you could go back further. You know, Lightning Hopkins. Muddy Waters. Robert Johnson, you keep going back and you're like,

That's where it really gets. I got into the blues for a while and started rewining the clock on those guys. Are you sad? See, I love B.B. King. I just love B.B. King. When B.B. King plays the guitar, it's like, oh, my God. I mean, the thrill is gone is one of the best songs. But then you kind of get into that, and you're like, but where did this stuff come from?

You keep rewinding that clock. And I think the story of the blues is awesome. Like coming up out of the Delta, going up to Mississippi River, landing in Chicago, stopping in Memphis. I just love the whole story of the blues. lose and you got to give, that's got to be part of this conversation. I just don't know where it compares right now in this debate with Brian Wilson. Okay, on that note, drop into the comment section, tell us who we're forgetting. I'm sure there's somebody huge.

But here are my top five songs from the Beach Boys. I'll get crushed because you will not hear good vibrations in this top five. At number five, little deuce coop. I like old Beach Boys. I like the poppy fun stuff. And I challenge you once again to listen to Little Deuce Coupe and not have a smile on your face. At number four, more moody, but God only knows.

God only knows is off pet sounds and it is beautiful and it is awesome. At number three, Sloop John B. Not on a lot of people's list, but I love Sloop John B. I think it is really, really nice in the backyard, listening to that. Come on, your Spotify, you'll love Sloop John B. at number two California girls it is great

I don't care what you say from start to finish and it inspired an entire generation to go west young man in search of California girls and number one wouldn't it be nice it is damn near

perfect there's my top five songs by the beach boys do you guys have any big pushback two a days or tinfoil did I forget one that is egregious would you put one in like um don't worry baby i almost had i get around i love old beach boys by the beach boys for me might have been my first album might have been my first album as a kid i

was listening to well it's also kids can like the beach boys that's why a lot of people hate it it's very easy for kids i think they're my first concert at old arlington stadium after a texas rangers game um i love that old stuff what's like Beatles, too. Andrew Perloff from my old show, hated the Beatles because their old stuff is like, you're talking about like holding hands with a girl. You know, it's just like, it's not hard, it's not great.

It's, they're just, the early stuff is just pop, like bubble gum pop, essentially. Yeah, right. Right, that's part of the reason I've always been a little bit more of a Rolling Stones guy over. I don't think he realized, like, how influential little, or, what is it, Sloop John B is. Like, people love that song.

That's a really good choice So I'm not as unique as I think No Okay There's your top five songs By the Beach Boys Once again Drop it in the comments section

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