Will Cain Country - How True Crime Is Radicalizing Women Online (ft. Jack Posobiec & Geno Bisconte)

Episode Date: August 19, 2026

The evidence against Lindsay Clancy is overwhelming, but it’s still not enough to overwhelm the internet’s collective stupidity. Turning Point USA Contributor & Author of ‘Unhumans: 2nd Edition��� Jack Posobiec and Comedian and Host of ‘In Hot Water,’ Geno Bisconte tune in to bring some sanity to the insanity that is the TikTok “detective” community’s take on the Lindsay Clancy case, and break down how short form content, maligned influences, and boredom have driven an entire generation to the brink of insanity. Plus, they revisit Will’s TV debate about the ethics of “Flock” cameras, and whether the NFL should expand beyond the United States.   Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@WillCainNews) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That's the hysteria. Lindsay Clancy and Candace Owens, leading them down the path of insanity. Ladies, get it together. Jack Posobit and Gino Bisconti. Country. Streaming live at the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page. Hit follow at Spotify or an Apple. We got two at eight, Dan.

We got tin foil pat. and sitting in front of a trophy fish is Gino Bisconti. He's a comedian host of In Hot Water and dancing his way into the program. Is that the smallest Marlin I've ever seen? You got him mounted. He's on the wall. It is so far from me because it's so big. I caught it this morning.

Actually, my brother wanted me to say it's fantastic. I said I won't start with a pun. But it's actually a 50-year-old Marlin. I'm saying to my cousins, I like saying it with a TV, house and his wife's grandfather caught it. So that is the marlin. We are fishing for a good time today, my friend.

I mean, depth perception could be doing a trick on us, but that looks like you mounted a 30 pound Marlin. That's what it looks like. Oh, yeah, that's bigger, yeah. Okay, now he's step back. Okay, it's bigger. Yeah, that that's a big. Yeah. That's a weird trick. What is it? You know, how big is? Did I mention

I'm only three and a half feet tall? It's all perspective, young man. What is it? It looks like You know, is that a, is that a 300-pounder? I've heard that first thing in the morning, my friend. I think it is. I think it is. Yeah, it looks good.

It looks good now that we've seen a little context. Man, I don't even know where to go, boys. I can't. I can't. I just, that's it. That's the show. I can't. I'll see you tomorrow.

The ladies are, the lady, I love you ladies. I know there's so many watching Will King Country. We've got to have a circle. We got to get together. We've got to have a conversation. We're losing it, ladies. Okay, before we do the, you know, both sides thing, men and women, it's not. It's not.

It's not. We've shown this poll before. This is from Gallup, the Center for American Life, combination poll published in the Financial Times. What's happened to the ideological gap between young men and young women across the world, not just in America. You can see on this where women have gone crazy. Look at this over the last 30 years focusing on the United States. Men have pulled back to the center. This is through early to 2020s. Men have pulled back to the

center. The women have lurched to the left by over a 30-year period by 30 points from plus 10 to plus 40. And it's happened in Germany. It's happened in the UK. And it's happening on the damn internet. All right, Dan, just as a sample. Just give us a taste, okay? An appetizer. Show me what women are doing on this Lindsay Clancy story. Just play me something, Dan.

I have decided I'm going to send Lindsay Clancy a letter of encouragement. Of course, I'm not going to mention anything about, like, the case or anything like that. But I did want to write to her and tell her that there are so many women that are out here praying for her. I think some words of encouragement might bring a smile to her. I don't know if she's able to receive any male or not, but at least I want to try. That's an appetizer, too. That's one of the more tame versions of what we're seeing on the Internet. Gino, women, I want to be fair.

I don't know to what percentage. They're rallying around Lindsay Clancy. Look, I'm going to tell you something. the more I hear about the Lindsay Clancy thing, and I haven't been following it, because I shut off the moment I heard she was on so many postpartum depression drugs that it's almost like you can understand

with what's going on, with our loss of faith in the medical industry, I literally shifted to, this is why you see ads. They're like, is your antidepressant not working? Maybe you need a second antidepressant on top of that. And the more people see stuff like this going on, the more it puts women in the forefront

in that situation and it furthers that divide that we're looking at behind you. That's the best I can tell you about that. Because I honestly don't know that I blame this woman for what she did as much as the people that said, you know, we'll give her more drugs, we'll make some more money, and maybe she'll get pregnant again. Honest to God, that's my take on that. When Gino started talking, I could feel the car like it hit the center line and then it swerved back over into the shoulder.

And I could just feel, and Jack Posobic looked up, Patrick looked up. stopped putting, I was in the process of putting nicotine in my mouth and I stopped just so I could pay complete attention to what Gino was saying. So for those 30 seconds, I had to lock in. We were also hanging out with Jack Posobic, by the way, senior editor of human events. Also, by the way, Jack's book, Unhumans, would you just hit second edition? Jack, a reprint? We did, Will. Hey, thanks for having me on again. Yeah, we're doing second edition because unfortunately the craziness has not ended, as you guys outlined here and have been discussed. And so we've got 14 new chapters in the new edition and one of them, believe it or not, in Unhuman Socialist Revolution is fifth wave feminism.

And fifth wave feminism is all about exactly what we're talking about here today. Not just, see, it's, it's, it's, there's a legit question about the science and the medicine and big pharma and, and I agree. But what we need to talk about is the million dollars that was raised on ticked from these these crime truther you know Lindsay Clancy truth are women who are now performing reenactments I don't know if you guys have seen these videos they're performing reenactments to try to prove that she didn't actually commit these acts where they're using I it's actually really dark when you think about it they're using Barbie dolls as like props and then you have TikTok women who are actually

hanging themselves out of women out of the windows of their homes to try to prove that she was actually pushed out of the window. And it's it goes beyond that even. Hold on. So we have that video. So take a look at it. Where is all this coming from? This is the. Okay, I want to dig. Jack, we're going to dig. This is what you're talking about. Just as an illustration. These are the ladies out there. Does this have sound, Dan? Do we need to listen or just play it? Yeah, yeah. Okay. So that's that sound these ladies hang. Okay, ladies hanging out the window to show that what, she didn't jump herself because there's bloody handp.

print somewhere halfway down the outside of the building. Go ahead. Keep playing it, Dan. Just play it. Tickokers are posting reenactment videos of them hanging out the window to prove that Lindsay Clancy is innocent. This weekend, I've seen two different women hanging out of their own windows. The first woman was hanging out of her two-story window after putting blue dish soap on her wrist to show where the stains should have been if Lindsay opened it. So, okay, you know what's more disturbing than that, Jack? The ladies holding their babies. saying, same, Lindsay, same. Even ladies holding their babies with audio from the court transcript, from the court proceedings

where they're reading Lindsay Clancy's texts, and they're holding their babies doing this stuff. I want to always caveat this in that I don't know how significant of a number of women we're talking about. I don't know what's going on. But, okay, okay, let's dig for a second. First of all, Gino, I feel like you hit a double, but you tripped up and might have gotten thrown out on your way back to the bag. Like, okay, the drugs thing.

Yes, yes, yes. There's so many problems in this scenario, right? There's culpability on the psychiatrist. There's culpability on the big pharma, on the medical system. There's culpability, even in this scenario on Lindsay Clancy, seeking out different doctors, seeking out different drugs, trying to cocktail this thing upright. But I don't think any of that adds up to empathy, sympathy,

or I would hope, identifying with Lindsay Clancy. You can say these things about the drugs. You can say that and postpartum. Yes. And then over here, you murdered three kids. Yes, but I would not have tripped after that triple, I would not have tripped over the bag if everything you just prefaced your question with wasn't in my way getting back to third base. Because we are, because again, I don't need to make this about medicine because I will make it about her and say, why did she have three kids? You don't suddenly develop postpartum depression.

So that is on her. And there is that question of murder. But the reason that, you know, today they're talking about Kamala Anthony, whatever, and the judge being recruited. that was an open and chuck case. There are so many variables in this that I'll be the first to admit I can't even wrap my brain around the horrific murder that I'm sure she committed and I'm sure she jumped out the window and I'm sure she's not defending it. But as I try to get back to third base again, there's too many variables for me to just call her

a murderer when there are so many people in the media right now that are murderers and there's no question. Is that fair? There's so many people in the media who are murderers? Do tell. Well, there's so many people that you see. the media that are that the media doesn't talk about that are murderers. Thank you.

Although, although I'm not going to say some of these people aren't accountable for murder. You know, yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah, well, well, well, well, I wanted to know I wanted to know which CNN host was an actual murder. I was like, whoa, I got a new lead. What are we talking about? Remember, Don Lemon's not there.

Are you all the people that walk back down from COVID that push these things are implicit, you know, are, you know, complicit, excuse me. You could, but that isn't what. I meant. I stumbled over the third base again. Sorry, go on. Let me put it this way, Gino. Those people on CNN who pushed falsehoods about COVID are more complicit. There's more evidence of their complicity than Candace Owens' contention of everyone else complicit in Charlie Kirk's murder. Okay? That's a word can't. By the way, Jack, I listen to the whole debate, Candace Andrew Wilson thing. It's so bad. It's so bad. And this is my thing.

Okay, this is, I want to talk about the feminism side, but this, this Lindsay Clancy thing is happening to women, some percentage of women, and I would venture to say, with very little evidence, that a lot of these women are already on the left. But I will say women are also gravitating, I guarantee you Candace's audience is overwhelmingly female, overwhelmingly women, gravitating to that on the right. And I don't see a disconnect. It's like this, I don't believe anything, and I feel weird about these stories. Yeah. No, that's that great. So in the book, we write about this. We call, I came up with this phrase, crime truthers.

And you see this all the time, by the way, not just in cases like these, but you saw it with the, so people don't realize this. If you go on, like, Facebook or some of these places, they have dedicated sites where, remember Brian Koberger, the guy up in Idaho with the four sorority. girls and you know, pled guilty. Remember he pled, he's trying to get it taken off now, but he pled guilty. They have people who try to say that he didn't do it. And now he was set up, they called themselves the pro burgers. And they take all the evidence, but then if there's like a little piece of, oh, but you know, nobody saw his car from this time to this time.

That means it could have been someone else. And again, the logic just completely falls apart. And I think what it is is that people, maybe during COVID, it broke a lot of brains. And then people were just kind of, you know, true crime. maxing on podcasts and all these other things and TikToks. And actually there's a study out now today that says when you listen to or watch those short form videos that because they're so fast, they're so punchy, they actually have a way of disintermediating and short-circuiting your brain's critical thinking loops.

So they actually hit you faster and harder and they impair your cognitive process. And so we write about this in the book that this obviously has a direct line towards fifth wave feminism because this is what it's all about. It's all about taking criminals and then saying, wait a minute, what if they didn't do it? So you've watched too many true crime shows, too many Netflix shows, you're sitting at home, and they're watching it like an interactive TV show. They've built these parasocial relationships with the people who are involved, and then it becomes tribal, the same way, you know, that you might be watching a, you know, a TV show, Game of Thrones, right? And you say, oh, I want this person to be king or I want this person to be

Queen, they've now taken that and they're applying it to real life criminal situations where you've got women lining up on the side of Lindsay Clancy saying, oh, well, you know, I think the husband did it. Not all women again, but, you know, these women who are saying, I think the husband did it, and he framed her and he went to CVS. I mean, keep in mind, the evidence is clear, but it's not about the evidence. It's about feelings. It's about emotions and disintermediating critical thinking.

And yes, well, to your point, obviously, this is the same thing that we see in the Tyler Robinson case. Because I spent a week in that courtroom right there with Erica and Charlie's mom and dad and Tyler Robinson and his family were there. And the evidence is very clear. And you can walk the prosecutors can walk you through the timeline. They say, here's this video, here's this video. These Texas nurses were sent at this time. Here's him on this video. Here's him.

And, you know, it's not a flock camera, but it's, you know, it's got those. you know, the parking lot cameras, parking garage, or a ring camera on someone's home. And it all lines up. And every piece of evidence fits that pattern. But people who don't want to believe the evidence will come up with their own theories. And they'll try to, you know, deny these basic things like the fact that, oh, I don't know, Tyler Robinson's mom and dad were the ones that turned him in. And you can't convince them.

Right. You couldn't convince them. You were there. You couldn't even convince them. Let's take a quick break, but continue this with comedian Gino Bisconti and Human Events, Jack Pesobic, when we come back on Will Cain Country. Ready to take your investing knowledge to pro-level? This is Fidelity Connects, your daily edge in the markets. Get deep insights on real-time market topics that may impact your investment portfolio.

Listen to Fidelity Connects on Spotify today and power your next move tomorrow. Welcome back to Will Cain Country. We're still hanging out with human events, Jack Pesobic, and comedian Gino Bisconti. evidence and truth don't matter to jack's point they really don't it's it's impervious to facts it we um go ahead we live in the youtube era the truth is boring everything jack said is so point yeah that's exactly you know it's spot on yeah that's a life's boring no it's right you're exactly right yeah the truth is too boring they would rather have oh there's a secret story secret knowledge that only i know it's like gnosticism

And then it gets clicks, it gets likes, it gets reinforced. So they're like, let's make some more interesting stories that are better than the truth. And people make money. That's what you see with Candace Owens especially, I think. I used to listen to her. Now I'm like, what is she talking about? Really? So what changed your opinion then, Gino?

Like, what is it? If we're saying the truth and evidence don't disintermediate the message, why did you stop? It was the Charlie Kirk thing. Like I, there's people I listen to that I think have turned on my way of thinking, but they're good for basic information, basic news. And that's what I used her for. But then when she started dragging out the, oh, the truth's going to come out about Charlie Kirk and all these other conspiracy theories about him. I don't know what to believe. And it just seemed, you saw people talking about her on the air that there's that clip of her.

That was the final straw. I'm sure you saw it where she's like, it's about to be revealed. It's about to be revealed. And it's like a month's worth of her saying that. And she never reveals anything. The feminism thing, the fifth with feminism. I saw this tweet this morning. I thought it was really fascinating.

Do you think if Lindsay Clancy had drowned and murdered three puppies that you would see people rallying to her in the same way that you're seeing rallying? Okay. I don't either. I don't either. Everybody would hate Lindsay Clancy. Why? Explain that. Well, okay, so there's two things, right?

So there's one piece of it where, look, being a mom, having a baby is giving birth, it rewires your body, it rewires your biochemistry, it rewires your spirit, it turns on all these things that women have that, you know, buying a puppy, it can sort of, it can sort of tickle those hormones, but it doesn't, you know, it doesn't trigger them and turn them on the same way. There's no that biochemical reaction that women have. And so, so number one, you know, there are women who have gone through, gone through birth, gone through postpartum, and there, there's a level of them saying, hey, I kind of know what you're getting at where I'm feeling overwhelmed because all my hormones are hitting at the same time. However, there's another angle of it, and I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the Fifth Ways feminists who keep in mind, this is Massachusetts.

What do we just see in Massachusetts? Oh, that's right. they legalized abortion all it's like it's like so late term it's like post-term abortion almost it's all the way up to the point of everything is included in this bill and you've got these women all up there in the video and this like fake catholic governor saying that she she is so proud to do it they're celebrating it they're holding marches it's that kind of feminism that's the same as what we're seeing here because they don't view those babies as real people and they never did remember go back to the 70s and like the early Roe v. Wade arguments and and what the pro choices were saying they were saying well a child if it's under the age of reason isn't really a human yet it's like what are you talking about right this isn't this beyond clump of cells this is a living breathing individual who's outside the womb that's no longer connected it's like they don't give any

agency to the children at all and actually views view the children as accessories or something either the mom wants or the mom doesn't want not like a separate being with its own, you know, internal rights, inherent rights, natural rights, natural laws that are-dified to that baby. But explain why it would be different for a puppy. I get that. I think you're right. I think-

So a puppy's obviously not a human. They don't have the propaganda for that. The puppy is sympathy. The puppy is it triggers the vegan movement. It triggers all the Disney propaganda of, oh, puppies are into animals, are better than people. It triggers the Gaia worship of the green movement. All these are various strains of propaganda that are lined up on another that exist in our world today.

And what we do in Unhumans and now the second edition is we're trying to describe all of these various pathologies and the soup and the stew that we live in every day. So you're coming up against, so with puppies, you've got Disney propaganda, you've got Green Movement propaganda, vegan propaganda. These are the same vegans who say, you know, if you eat meat, you're eating dead bodies, right? because they view animals as inherently more valuable than humans and especially their own babies. Well, okay, I'm curious if you agree with any of that, Gino, I will say what I think supports what Jack's saying, that a lot of this is driven by outward influence, aka propaganda. I will bet you if we went back in time. So let's just go 1930, right, 1925.

I don't think we would have answered this question the same way. I don't think there would be more sympathy for a woman who killed her kids. than a lady who killed her puppies. In 1925, everyone would have been, it would have been the inverse. Oh, you killed puppies? Versus, oh my God, she killed kids. Well, you wouldn't have all these media outlets

with the aforementioned subject just said, you know, like the truth is boring, let's add all this stuff. And by the way, in the 30s, people weren't bored. People had jobs. People were coming through out of the Great Depression. We're so spoiled now in America that we're bored and we need these distractions.

And what's better than a year? juicy story about a woman that was on drugs, jumped out a window, murdered her kids, and people can't get enough of that because they're bored, I would argue. And also, getting back to the puppy thing, you don't get postpartum depression from buying a puppy. So there is this woman that's under a microscope. And am I crazy? Like, because again, I know two women that had postpartum depression and said, I'll never have another child. The question is, and I will falter for this, how are you having three children when that's what your body goes through? And it seems to get so progressive.

progressively worse, excuse me, that you're on a truckload of meds and you kill your kids. That's what I think about. The reports are she was talking about having a fourth child, too, by the way. I have, I don't have to go all the way back to the 1930s. You're there in Texas. Andrew Yates. I just looked it up. Andrew Yates was 2001.

Killed her four kids and drowned him in the bathtub. It was right before 9-11. and, you know, there was no understanding or, you know, the movement that rose up to support her. There was people trying to understand why she would do that. And actually, that came up in the Lindsay Clancy trial because apparently she had mentioned Andrea Yates to one of her coworkers saying, I can't believe she would do something like that. But apparently she would bring up Andrea Yates in the course of conversation, maybe like she was almost fixated on it. right right hey do you guys this wasn't something i plan to talk about but i'm kind of loosely

also following the meta trial meta is being sued by several states 1.4 trillion dollars in damages for making social media addictive when you were talking earlier jack about the the short form video and what it does to your brain yeah yeah look you know i've i've been trying to wrestle with this myself like here's at the risk of sounding like candace we all know, there's like an intuitive thing in us that we know this is addictive. And we know it from our own personal experience. Like, oh my God, I just spent an hour scrolling. And I feel like crap afterwards. And why did I do that? And it's all the outward trappings of what you would call addictive. But I do have trouble with the idea that a company who makes a product increasingly

appealing to its customers so that they'll keep returning, which is basically every company of every kind, whether or not they sell cars or coffee or content. The goal is to get the customer coming back and keep them longer. There's no physiological, there's no nicotine, there's no, you know, that they're lying to you about, like with cigarettes or something like that. What I'm getting is the definition of addiction is getting so broadened that really making anything that attracts people could be described as, addiction. And I'm not sure, even though, again, I feel like there is something these social media companies are doing clearly that makes us compulsive, if not addictive. And yet there's

another time that's going, isn't that what they're supposed to do? Isn't that what every company does? Well, should they not have like this, like a Zen, this is addictive chemical inside? Hey, you're on Instagram. This is an addictive platform. You know what I'm saying? That's exactly what I'm saying. people still do it or Jack Daniels. I mean, that didn't stop me once. I know. That's what I know. Would you still use it if it didn't say that?

Yes. I mean, is it safe to just say this? People forget that the word parent, I say this all the time, is a verb. Okay. And if you're making money, I agree with you, Will. Isn't it their job to make it addictive, to make you want to use Instagram more than Facebook or X or TikTok and vice versa? Yeah. And it's the parent's job to make sure they're.

kids, you know, use their phones responsibly or don't. But the more that we let people be victims, these poor kids are victims of the addictive, you know, meta companies, the more they can push that we're victims and sell more pharmaceuticals, sell more control, I would argue. So, yeah, I don't blame meta. I mean, I understand the lawsuit. What they did was evil, but evil isn't illegal sometimes. But the pharmaceutical has a literal physiological effect, a physical addiction.

to you develop a physical addiction. We're talking about something else now with social media. Psychiatrists say it does, though. Sex addiction. It's like crack. I mean, do you buy sex addiction? Do you buy this? Isn't dopamine a physical addiction?

And I'll leave it there, isn't it? Yeah, it's a dopamine addiction. Yeah. Porn addiction is real. True. You don't have to tell me. Sorry, I was late, guys. I'll throw it out there.

And this is where I come down, you know, in, I just kind of think, like, you know what, man, we used to live in a country where, you know, gambling was something you did in, like, AC or Vegas. And, you know, pornography, it was either, like, you had to go to the top shelf of the magazines. And it was like, remember where they were, like, covered with the, you know, with the cardboard. Not that I would know, but, I mean, I would, I would see it. No, I don't remember. I mean, no. You have to squint. You have to squint.

Or there was that back. Remember there was like the back room of the movie store behind the curtain and like you're not allowed to go back there. And then it was like a big scandal about, oh my gosh, did you see so and so going into the back room? Like someone's dad, someone's husband going in and out of there or whatever. And I think America just kind of functioned a little bit better when we kept these things at a certain level and had some controls on them. And, you know, I think that is a conservative. standpoint, I don't know if the federal government is the right tool for that. Maybe state governments have a place to come in on that and say, you know what? Maybe we should put limits on certain things

because they're just not good for society. They're just not. And we've seen the reaction. There's no doubt. You go to Philadelphia. I was in, I was in Philly this last weekend for the UFC. We went downtown. And I don't go downtown that much anymore. And, you know, the first thing I see is a billboard for a, um, a weed dispensary strip club. So it was a strip club where you could also buy weed. I'm just, and I'm like, and that's just up on a billboard.

Like, seriously, we're just going to, like, kids are driving by this and that's all good. I'm like, I'm like, as a dad, I'm like, you know what? This is too far. It's too far. Also, Will. So I don't know what we did. The issue with social media.

You're talking about societal. The issue with social media is not necessarily social media. is not necessarily social media. When I was growing up on the internet, you'd have to go to a computer and go use the internet and we didn't have the same issues. I mean, we'd sit there and play for a long time,

but the fact is, it's really once the smartphones went to your, yeah, yeah, exactly, you know, played for hours. And it took you 10 minutes to download a video. Yeah. Right, right. You couldn't just flip through. But it's like, once there's 10 minutes to get my fantasy football scores.

Exactly. I remember sitting there waiting for the box score to load while it buffered forever. Yeah. Now we get mad at the dial-up at home. He logs in. He logs in. It's like, you can't use the telephone if you're on the internet.

It's honestly what we need to go back to. It's like once you have it in your end. Well, what you're talking about that, that's where the addiction comes to. Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. Because it's like instinct crap. You're talking about Jack is talking about social stigma.

And I, that I, that I, that I, We have to get back to stigmatizing things. I remember, you know, you had the the video store, Jack, with the curtain, but remember there would also be the store that only trafficked in like sex videos or toys or whatever it was. Not a full-on strip club, but like a smut shop.

Do you remember what they had in the smut shop in the parking lot? They had a wood wall. Do you remember that where you could park behind the wood wall? So people driving by wouldn't see your car. I didn't notice that. Let's take a quick break, but continue this with comedian Gino Bisconti and Human Events, Jack Pesobic, when we come back on Will Cain Country. Welcome back to Will Cain Country.

We're still hanging out with human events, Jack Pesobic and comedian Gino Bisconti. That's hilarious. So I actually have a funny story about that. My buddy's dad was, like, driving to work one day, and his car broke down, and the first parking lot he could pull into was like the smite shop. And then he had to lay. He had to call someone to pick him up. and then he goes to work, but that that place was just kind of on the way to where they all worked. And so everybody who drove into work just thought he was there all day because they all saw his car there.

Yeah. Yeah. For like, they ended up being there for like two days and something like the Joe truck couldn't get in. So they're like, uh, Lou, uh, what are you up to after work there? Got something big planned? Okay. Uh, I think this is a, this transitions, this segues somehow. I'm curious where both of you guys are going to be on this as well.

So I hosted this debate last week on the news channel, and that is over flock. All right, everybody watching at this point, you probably are familiar with the flock debate. Even my boys, my teenage boys are familiar with the flock debate. Flock cameras up across the country. I think there's over 100,000 cameras just to, or several 100,000, just to that brand alone. That's one brand. There's several companies that do this flock, and they take in license plate reading. It runs it through AI.

And the cops can use it. And they have used it to great effect to catch criminals. The dude who killed the professor at Brown University reportedly was tracked down using flock cameras. But on the flip side, there's a lot of civil libertarians are really concerned with the government collecting this information. Patrick, I don't know if we still have that, but you and I talked about it yesterday. The story from 2020, Kentucky Governor Andy Bashir was videoing and photographing cars in front of, what was it? Was it churches? Or where was it, where people were gathering so that they could go force them into 14-day quarantine afterwards. So they were getting this same type of information and forcing you to go into quarantine during COVID.

And so I had a guy from the ACLU. Yeah. And Joe Lonsdale used to work for Palantir. He's a tech guy, conservative, on my show to debate this. So I'll play for you guys some of both of their argument. I want to hear where you are. Dan, play Joe Lonsdale's argument first. You know, Will, I'm a supporter of the American founders as well, and our whole Constitution was about checking the power of the government. So I think it's a healthy instinct for people

on both sides to want to be suspicious, to want to watch the watchers, and we have to do that. But, you know, I'm also on the side of civilization. I have six young children. This technology has caught hundreds of thousands of criminals. It's exonerated, huge numbers of innocent people. And there are ways we can use technology competently to both watch the watchers, to delete data you're not allowed to see, to delete data you're not using, and catch the bad guys. And, you know, I don't think we should let populist voices that are extreme, that lack common sense, that are, you know, an ACL use case is an anti-carcel or. You have a very far left organ now, even their previous ACLU heads, think they've gone crazy

because they want, against shot spotters against everything. And so, you know, I think we have a reasonable middle ground here where we're really clear on the rules. We make sure it's not abused, and we get the bad guys. Okay. All right, so that's the pro-flock argument. What do you say? I agree with everything he said, especially watch the watchers. I always think, and it's going to seem obscure, but one of the greatest movies ever, House Party and the guy Jackie Harris comedian died, but these two bad cops are driving down the street and they see him.

And just because he's black, they say, what are you up to? And he's like, I'm up to mind of my own goddamn business. And if people, you know, if people like, I have nothing to worry about with a flock camera. I have nothing to worry about because, you know, I obey the law. So I have no problem with that. But the problem is the mistrust in government. So you can watch the watchers, but you don't trust that they won't, you know, find something and lie about what I've done. Because the government keeps getting away with more and more stuff.

I have no problem with the cameras. I have a problem with the watching of the watchers. I don't trust it. Are you talking about Kid and Play's House Party? Is there any other one? Not the set, not the same. You don't remember the cops drive up there like, what are you up to? And he's like, I'm up to mind of my own goddamn business.

It's one of the greatest movie lines ever. And I always, that's how I tell people to keep their nose clean. Like, mind your own goddamn business. You're fine. But I don't trust the watchers that are watching us. What do you say? He marshaled House Party, Jack. That's pretty heavy evidence.

What do you say, Jack? Yeah, Jack, how bad. Here's where I come in. And, you know, I get the, you know, the libertarian side of this. I'm very, very sympathetic to it. But at the same time, it doesn't. doesn't work. And it ultimately doesn't work because you're never going to turn technology off. You're never going to win this, this fight that, oh, we just shouldn't use that technology.

It's like it's, it's, it's, you're not going to win. It's impractical. And at the end of the day, there are some cities who deserve flock cameras, who deserve flock surveillance, because they refuse to actually go after the crimes and the criminals on their own. So yes, if your city is committing that much crime if your residents are committing that much crime murder rape mayhem shoplifting whatever it is then yeah we are going to need better tools to be able to fix it and ultimately though look we've always had you know surveillance surveillance is not a new thing and i actually say this as the intel officer right um that you know surveillance in in the past thousands of years ago was just informants or snitches or you know whatever you want to call it there's always been regimes

that have used informants and surveillance and all these things. So it's not the technology. It's who's in control of the government. So if you want a better government, you have to take control of it. But that's the catch. Okay, now let me play for you the ACLU dudes argument, which I'm going to be honest with both of you. I found pretty compelling. Here he is. Well, I would say that my biggest concern about flock safety is it is a mass surveillance system. And 99 plus percent of the data that it collects is on Americans who are accused of doing absolutely nothing wrong. And that sort of tracking is offensive to all of us, regardless on where we sit on the political spectrum, because we believe we should be able to live our lives freely and go about our business without being tracked by our

government. Okay, he goes on to say, for the record, give me the example of where government hasn't metastasized, where it hasn't grown, where it hasn't become malignant. And I think it's pretty compelling. Like, we're trying to strike a middle ground, and I agree with what both of you guys said. And Jack, you're saying, like, that's like putting the genie back in the bottle. You're not going to with technology. I get that. This could be all for nothing. Like, when do we ever roll back progress when it comes to technological advancement? But, like the example of Andy Bashir in Kentucky, this starts out this way. It ends another way. Almost invariably, it ends another way. So even though, you're going around, you're doing nothing wrong and you have nothing. to fear because you're not breaking the law. What happens then when the law says you got to

quarantine for 14 days? You can't gather. You got to you got to stay in your home. It's a little big brother. And I get what you're both saying. Those are government things, not technology things, but this is inevitably the way government goes. Maybe not inevitably, invariably the way government goes. Well, I mean, the quarantine thing, there's no way people would put up with that again. And I'd like to think even if there's a flock camera outside all our homes if they ever try that again people would just walk out and wait i'd like to believe that but i really don't see that happening i don't believe that but i mean i hope i'm right and you're wrong but i can't prove it and the one word that sticks out is tracked because you're not being tracked well i mean

it depends on you to find track because that brown guy they didn't track him or they would have saw him going into kill the guy arrested immediately they can go back and look for the things you've done and i don't mind that as long again as we can trust the people that are looking at this video i don't care. You can look at whatever I'm doing. It's a boring thing to do. It's trusting ourselves. This is why the COVID thing comes back. We'll see if Jack disagrees with me. My lesson from COVID is not that we learned our lesson and we'll never let that happen again. My lesson from COVID is, I see, I see, is that the ultimate motivator of humans, Wall Street tried to teach us that it was greed. It's not. It's fear. We all, we are fearful creatures.

And the minute that someone else plays on our fear will retreat right back to that same herd behavior, tribal herd behavior, and turn on each other. It may not be called COVID. It may not even be a virus. It may be some other tool. But once our fear is activated, dude, we will do it all again, probably with fervor. Yeah, so any surveillance system or security system, I always say is only as good as the person watching the door. And, you know, when it comes down to it is, no, no, first of all, I would, I would throw my response to the ACLU guy was like, okay, so are you against cell phones then? Because every single person who's got one of these in their pockets, you're already being tracked 24-7, right?

And anyone can pull that data. If this is connected to a cell phone tower, which yes, are in just about every residential area or populated area within the contiguous United States. You are being tracked currently. So we've already invited big brother. Like, I'm just saying that argument's over. It's literally just over. Like it's not even, yeah, you can talk about it in the abstract, but it's not practical. So number two is Tim Walz.

Right. So Tim Walz during COVID. What did he do? In addition to, you know, technological features that he used, he set up that snitch hotline. Remember the snitch hotline that he set up and he said, if your neighbors are breaking curfew, or they break in lockdown, whatever it is, you see your neighbors go out, here's the hotline. Guess what? That's the same thing the Chinese Communist Party did.

That's the same thing the Bolsheviks did. That's the same thing that we've seen tyrannical. government's do for thousands of Hamarabi was doing stuff like this, right? You just turn neighbors against one another and you give them that little modicum of power over one another and you unleash that. And it's it's similar to the fear aspect, but you unleash that petty tyranny that exists within all of us, right? The envy, the resentment. And we talk about this and on humans that we all have, like that's why we call them the seven deadly sins. But if you unleash that and say, oh, this is justified now, then guess what? It's like that neighbor down the street that you don't like because their lawn always looks better than yours.

Are you sure you're not going to call and make a false report to the government to say they're walking outside outside of lockdown? Because you hate that person secretly because, you know, their car's nicer than yours or lawn's better than yours. These are all, you know, part of man's fallen nature. They're part of original sin. They're part of all these things, the expulsion from the garden. By the way, Eve, another woman who disobeyed, by the way. And Adam's simping forward with the original sin, which contrasts, of course, Mary, who does. You know Eve would have been on Lindsay Clancy side.

So it's this whole idea, right? I think this is just part of human nature. I think it's just part of human nature. It's not the tech. It's not the tech. All right, these guys, I don't know about Gino. I know Jack. Jack's going to go ahead, Patrick, real quick.

I'm about to shift gears. Okay, yeah, yeah. So real quick, just as far as like, you know, combating crime with flock, it's, my worry is that it's actually going to go after the American who aren't really committing the crimes instead of the actual criminals that we, because we know, we usually know who the real criminals are already. And I think like New York knows that if they shut down these 500 or 1,000 people, like the majority of crime would already go down. So really

what we're doing is we're just kind of spying on the average American. And also with cell phones, that requires a warrant, whereas flock is essentially right now warrant lists, which I think does matter. It plays a role. you are supposed to use probable cause if you're if you're like looking up the database though yeah yeah so that's true but some cops are looking at access and by the way i say and i'm just telling you guys i'm saying all this as a guy who when i was in the intelligence community i had access to databases that if i just wanted to type a cell phone number in like i got it you know all that stuff with like i'm asking general flin and all that all that stuff i had access to all those things and so i'm just to be clear jack the other

argument they make is you can turn this off bullshit, right? You can get, if you turn this off. No, because you know, like the emergency call thing that's on there? Wait, wait. There's always, like, it's always pinging a little bit. And by the way, even if you turn that off, did you turn off all the stuff

in your car? Did you turn off your car's computer? Did you turn off the fact that your car is tracking all the times you speed up and slow down and break and all the rest of it? All of our cars have these things now, right? So I'm just saying like, like people making the tech argument, I don't think they realize how much they're tracked on a regular basis right now.

And by the way, even if you turn all your stuff off, that means that everybody around you has to have all their stuff off too, right? So, I mean, again, it's just, we live in this sort of digital panopticon already. And so that's why I'm like, okay, I mean, yeah, you can make the argument and good on you for it. Like you're on the side of the angels,

but, you know, we just don't live in that world anymore. We haven't for a long time. Patrick, I will say I like your point about motivation. You're pointing out that if you're pointing out that if you really wanted to solve crime, you've got huge amounts of recidivist crime committed by the same people over and over again, a small percentage of Americans. If you wanted to solve crime, put those dudes away. Just put them away and keep them away. And then you don't need all this surveillance. That's the leftist, I think, point of view, Will.

I think, you know, my point of view is, yeah, no, no, stocks, stock them, you know, let's throw lettuce and tomatoes at them in public squares. I think that's the moderate position. Okay. I got it. I got what you're saying. All right. Let's do this. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell confirms the league is no doubt wants multiple teams based outside the United States.

The NFL, where are we going, fellas? Mexico. That's what he says, by the way. Paris, Madrid, Munich, Mexico City, London, potentially. You ready for the American football? to not just be American? I think my Eagles are playing in London in, what, October, I think? September October or something?

Yeah. Are you excited about that? Kicking off at 9 a.m., you know, American time? Early bears. It's always a weird day. When I lived in China, I used to wake up at like 6 in the morning to watch Eagles games. Let's take a quick break, but continue this with comedian Gino Bisconti and Human Events, Jack Posobic, when we come back on Will King Country.

Welcome back to Will King. country we're still hanging out with human events jack poseobic and comedian gino bisconti how would you do that was it were you in the intel community how did you do that was actually before did you get the eagles in i was at the chamber of commerce no i would go like they'd have like american um like an american pub or something and you'd meet up with like other americans and they'd have a satellite feed and you just just watch the game really yeah get hit on by fang fang it's a good time no no no see i i saw fang she came from me first and I was like, no, I see what's going on here. You turned her down?

Turned it down. Shot it down. Shut it down. To be fair, like, Fang Fan was like a five. Like, seriously, like, if you're going to send someone to, it's going to send a Chinese intel agent at Poso, I want seven or above. Yeah, you got a honey pie with an eight. Jack, I apologize.

I forget, I forget myself. To be fair to Swalwell, from what I've read now, she was throwing herself at him. She was, she was, what do you call it, booty calling? She was knocking on the door at 2 a.m. And he was like, I don't know, but okay, come on in. This is not your Soviet spy in a Jack Car novel, roping him into her weave, her web. This is throwing yourself at the door.

She's firing off you up at 2 in the morning. Again, by the way, you're talking about human nature, though. You're talking about the fact that if that men lost, right, that's one of the sins, right? We're all susceptible to it. Yeah, yeah. I'm into American football being an American. I'm not really into going to Europe.

But if I have to pick, I would say Mexico over Europe because I'm a Cowboys fan, and I see how popular American football is with the Mexicans, very popular, cowboys in particular. The Brits, you know, the Euros, they look down their nose at us on everything, including American football. So don't give it to them. Don't give it to them. You know, so I was in London a couple of weeks ago and we did this like, it was like CPAC London, CPAC UK, and a great event, you know, well received. And I think I was wearing like an eagle shirt when I was, when I flew over. I had so many British people coming up to me saying that they were fans of the NFL.

Like it literally happened the entire day I was wearing that shirt. They're like, oh, you know, go birds, et cetera, et cetera. and that's how I remember they were playing. And I said, you know, sir, are you guys fans? Do you follow? And some guy was telling me, oh, he's like, oh, yeah, we started getting the games in the 1990s. They were, I guess, simulcasting the games in the UK. And so there already is a fan base that exists.

And it's not just Americans flying over. So if you were to do it, I would say anywhere in Europe, I would say London, because geographically, right, London is closest to the United States. So you would want somewhere where a team could fly over, could play, and then fly back. Because if you're starting to go to, or Mexico is close, obviously, as well. But if you're talking places that are like further and further away, just logistically, I don't even know how you would do that with time changes and everything crazy. I don't either. Well, I mean, obviously, you're not setting up a new league.

Okay. First of all, we all know. The NFL cannot make enough money. The NFL is the greatest product in the world. The NFL, it's Parker Lewis. It can't fail. Okay, but again, if you're setting up in even Paris, I'll go as far as Paris. You put one in Canada, you put one in Mexico, you put one in, it's just one team.

And it will generate, I would imagine a lot of income because it's not like they're like, hey, do you want to go to London or Manchester to watch the game? Everyone will try and get there. And it's one day a week. I think it's a great idea for the NFL. I don't think if it's a great idea for the competition of the league. I think it's incredible wear and tear on the players. You know, I think it leads to a whole lot of NFLPA issues.

but if you're asking me if the NFL should do it, why? What shouldn't the NFL do? The NFL should do it ever. The answer to that is the NFL needs to be careful not to become so broad, so big that it loses its I don't think he can. I don't think he can get too broad or too big. I don't look at this. I wasn't going to do this.

I wasn't going to do this. You know, I don't have to do this, you know. Well, I wasn't going to do this topic, but I'm just going to use it as analogy. Do you see, I saw us this week. Nike stock is down below. $40. Dude, I saw this too. What is it? Six years ago, it was at $180. It is, it is down 80% Nike stock. And there's a multitude of reasons why, but I think part of it is trying to be everything to everybody. Yep. And at some point, you lose who you are.

100%. No, I was, I was literally just, I was listening to a podcast about this, um, uh, yesterday. and and I kind of got into it because it's like Nike used to be it was the champion brand right you were the best at sports you were the best it was it was it was the it was the shoe you wore if you were the best right and that was was about excellence about greatness it's kind of like kind of like what Trump always uses it as as his brand like the best right and top of the line and they've lost that over the years obviously gotten very political numerous times that you know we've covered we've all talked about a million times and And somewhere along the line, they just kind of forgot what they were actually about. And so they themselves made them something that they're not. And ultimately, ultimately, a lot of this stuff that we're talking about does come down to tribes, whether it's, you know, the Lindsay Clancy feminists or, you know, obviously being sports fans of a certain team. And so at some point, though, you're starting to get that message on a very deep level that says, hey, you're not part of this tribe anymore. You're not welcome here anymore.

And people walk away. Speaking of losing your... Or I would add to it, Jack, you're not a tribe. Now you're just, you're blah. You're bland. There's no devotion to something that is that broad, that generalized. And I think that's partially what happened to Nike as well. It lost positive stigma.

But to compare it to the NFL, like I can make a list of 10 different sneakers. Like, look, I've had it. with Nike. They're trying to be too much. Let me try Adidas. Let me try Puma. Oh, look at that. Show-Haw is doing new balance ads. Let me try them on. Hey, let me make a list of things other than the NFL. Yatsi. There's nothing. The NFL can't lose. Like, I don't, like, you can get sick of the people didn't even get sick of the NFL when they tried to be woke, when they tried to be BLM. They didn't. We stay. You know, we have women's basketball. What's that? Yeah, we have the WBA. What world do you live in, Gino? We have the WNBA.

We can talk about that. We can talk. There's not enough time. Look, I'm a big Royce White fan. I can't, if Royce White buys Nike's next year, I'm buying Nike's. You know, I'm going to help him with his journey. Beautiful stunning. But everything else is a circus, okay?

And no one's leaving the NFL. I'm a Charger fan, Jack, and I'm born and raised outside of Philly. You think I like this addiction? I don't, but no one leaves it. How do you like, do you know, how do you like your coach and a couple players wearing in the trans shirts. Did you see that? No. See, that's that I'm wrong. It wasn't a trans shirt.

It said everyone loves women's sports and I woke up to 80 tweets about that. Okay, five, I'm trying to impress Jack. But I woke up to all these tweets about it and I'm like, no one cares. Like, that's, that's a, that's a, they're laughing while they're wearing them. If it said something like all women in quotes

should be able to play in the WMBA, I would have lost my marbles. But I didn't mind those shirts. I read it was a pro. I read it was a pro. Did I get this wrong? It was a pro-trans brand that put that. But how is it? Am I wrong?

It was Nike. It was Nike. Yeah, the group, so the group had, it was just about women, but it ended up being a pro-trans company that put them out. Yeah. Okay, but that's not pro-trans.

Right. By the way, if you have the choice, always go pro-trans, amateur trans could really mess you up. I'm telling it. You know, I would say, Thanks to get that.

When we're talking sports, right, the one, you know, sporting organization that I'd say is an example of this. To your point, you know, the NFL hasn't gone too far beyond its skis yet. Although if they do try to bring Bad Bunny back as the halftime performer for this year, then I absolutely will be holding another counter halftime show. And I will have even more views than my last one did. and so stay tuned for that. And then Jack, and I'll watch it gladly and then go back and watch the second half of the game and shit on the NFL's halftime show while enjoying it. Which a lot of people did.

But here's, but no, I was going to say though, and it had to had to plug that back from it, right? But, but no, I would say NASCAR. I think NASCAR is a great example of a brand that has totally lost connection with its core audience. Totally. It's trying to rebuild that. But they tried to be too many things at once. all the sort of like anti-southern, anti-conservative kind of stuff that they were pushing. Bobba Wallace, they're putting him up everywhere.

And suddenly it's just like, this doesn't feel like NASCAR. And I haven't going to NASCAR races since the 90s. Patrick, what a missed opportunity for college football. Because at the same time, the NFL's not faltering. We're projecting the potential for it to falter if it tries to be too big, too many things to everybody. But the one that could have capitalized would have been college football. football, but they're at the same time, they're ruining their own product. But they're ruining their own product as we speak.

Yes. Jack, you're going to like this. This, I can't remember O'Neilsson, NFL's most avid fan bases. Okay, you come in, Jack, at number five. Number five of Eagles, which, by the way, I know, I don't agree with this. Hold on. We'll vet this out in a minute. Because this is where it gets weird right after that.

four Cincinnati Bengals, three Green Bay Packers, two Kansas City Chiefs, and the most avid fan base, Per Nielsen, the Buffalo Bills. Cowboys and Chargers. I demand a recount. Not on here.

This is rig. That's rig. That's a stolen election. Real quick, I can tell you why the Cowboys are on this list. The Cowboys are on this list. I don't know I can't even argue. They're Mexico's team. They're no longer America's team.

Americans don't even want them because they can't win a Super Bowl. They haven't been to a conference championship in over 30 years. Dang. So America's given up on it. Now Mexico. Wow. Wow.

I know what is a... What do you think the Jags came in? Patrick, where are the Jags? Are they above 25th? Are they above 30? They're somewhere between 30, 31, and 32, for sure. We have an average, avid TV market, okay? So...

Goldie watches... How are they defining avid? Because some of these markets are smaller, right? Like, like Bengals, I think, are... I think are famous for being only popular, like, in their market and nowhere else. They're like the, oh, I think, if I remember this correctly, at least last time I checked, they're the only, they're like the only team that doesn't have any other pockets of fandom anywhere. Well, but you could still be avid.

I mean, the Cowboys obviously would have the biggest fan base spread out. Are they defining avid as just in your market relative to other markets or on the size of your overall fan base? I think it's just a rabid. I'm generalized rabidness. In which case, Jack, I'm perfectly willing to give you guys number one. I think you're number one. Yeah, I mean, like, we're literally, like, I don't know who would I would. The Eagles fans are known for being just rabid, insane, crazy, all of those things.

I mean, I've seen things at Eagles games, man. You're talking to a guy who's been in Eagles jail, right? I saw Eagles fans fight each other in a porta potty outside game once. Actually, it was at the game. where Sequin jumped over the guy. That was the end of the Jags game in 24. I'm going to talk about it. That I spent a good portion of that game in Eagles jail.

Got out, got out. But I was down there. So the key metrics real fast. For real. Hold on. Are the Chargers one of the lowest? They've got to be one of the lowest. L.A. in general, is the lowest.

Stop beating us. We're already dead, Will. What are you doing? I didn't argue. Well, that makes sense because I didn't charge. They're the carpetbaggers of L.A. L.A.'s already not passionate and avid. And then they're the carpetbaggers of L.A.

So it's got to charge your games. And I guarantee you'll agree with this. When they were playing at a soccer stadium, okay? And there'd be more fans from another city. And I would look at them and I'd say, yeah, dummy, you'd leave the winters of Philly. You'd leave the heat of Miami, the brutal weather in Seattle, the bitter winters in KC. And you'd move to L.A. and you'd be like, this is great.

And then you'd watch your team when they went to play there. Or if you're in K.C., you're like, let's fly to L.A. to watch a game. Do you want to know the one city? You'd never leave. You'd never leave to move to L.A. San Diego. And the only thing you're less likely to do is drive three hours down the highway to watch the team that happened abandoned you. Why do you just watch your ex get banged in a trailer park eight miles away?

Stop it. There's no reason. So whenever someone's like, hey, there's more. fans here. Good for you, Jackass. All the Chargers fans are in San Diego surfing. What were we talking about? Yes, we're last. I'm sorry. That's good. That's a good rant. That's a good rant. I can't, I can't argue with that. I can't argue with that. But I have a Phillies fan, Jack. I love them. I love them. I love them. I love them. I got the hat right here. They're making me nuts. Go ahead, Patrick. Who's the least avid fan base? Just give us that. 30, 31.

I was going to give you the key metrics first, just so we all can I figure that out. It's based off apparel purchases, event attendance, streaming social media following, TV viewership, radio listening, betting intent, and overall interest level. So how do the Cowboys not come in high on that then? They satisfy every metric. We just talked about this. I don't know. Fans have given up. I think more Cowboys fans have given up more than you think.

about New York. Do they make lists on the internet anymore? Dead gum. You want the Mika Parsons trade, Will. You've got to be excited. You got five guys out of it. Or am I missing it? What did you say?

You won the Mika Parsons trade. Like, he's not even going to play until week five or six. I think you have five quality guys as a result of that. Or am I getting misinformation? You know why I think this is skewed, though? I think here's how this is skewed, because you're comparing some of these towns and some of these markets where the NFL team is like the only game in town, right? And so some of those markets don't have a, you know, another baseball team or another hockey team or NBA team or something.

And so that's why they're so avid because they don't have anything else. So you'd have to do big cities versus the other markets. I'm telling you, I think there's an issue there. Buffalo, Kansas City, Green Bay, Cincinnati. They might, you know, Buffalo has a hockey team. But those are towns without alternatives, basically. You get the Reds. That's what I'm saying, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, versus like in New York, in L.A., a Philly, Tampa, where else? D.C., technically, I suppose. Although I'm just saying, man, you got to get Redskins back. Trump, if you could do anything while you're in there, man, get the name of the Redskins back. And the logo. And the logo. Both of them.

Yes. All of it. All of it. If we get crime background, as I've said in my act, no one can join the Redskins because they hate Native Americans. They join the Redskins because they love losing. I've said that countless times. It's one of the greatest team names and one of the greatest logos ever, and it was jettisoned off of complete bullshit. It is super sad.

Yeah. Now you're the generic commanders. All right. Unhumans is back out. Second edition. Socialist Revolution tactics for Patriots to survive a communist uprising by Jack Posobic. Make sure you check that out. Check Jack out as well at Turning Point USA.

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