Will Cain Country - How Will President Trump's Tariffs Plan Play Out? Plus, A New Tell-All Book About The 2024 Campaign That Confirms Salacious Rumors  

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

Story #1: How will President Donald Trump’s tariffs plan define his presidency? While the results are still pending, it will be remembered as revolutionary. Story #2: Did Former President Obama and Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi not want Vice President Harris on top of the ticket? Plus, inside the cover-up of former President Biden's health. Will is joined by Senior National Politics Reporter at 'NBC News,' Jonathan Allen & Senior Political Correspondent at 'The Hill,' Amie Parnes to discuss their new book: 'FIGHT: Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House.' Story #3: Second Take: Major update on the story of the father leaving his children at a McDonald's, the ratings for March Madness are hot and cold, and Will shares his Top Five (Val Kilmer as) Doc Holliday quotes.  Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, tariffs, bad, market, up, down. How to make sense of something that we can only say with certainty today is absolutely revolutionary. It will be probably the way history books remember the presidency of Donald Trump. Two, the office of a brand new book, Fight, the behind-the-scenes scoop, the gossip, the rumors, the reporting, the information on Joe Biden's collapse on a debate stage, his replacement by Kamala Harris, and the campaign for presidency in 2024. Three, top five dock holiday lines from Tombstone, plus other topics to revisit in second tape. It is the Will Cain Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel on the Fox News Facebook page. Always on demand by subscribing at Apple or on Spotify. That's a good thing to remember if you are listening on Terrestrial Radio in some three dozen markets across this great United States of America.

Coming up today, NBC News, Jonathan Allen, and The Hills. Amy Parns on their new book, Fight Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House. In it, you learn that Barack Obama never wanted it to be Kamala Harris. Neither did Nancy Pelosi and neither did Joe Biden. So how exactly did the Democratic candidate for president become Kamala Harris? What did Democrats think in the first 15 minutes of watching the debate between President Donald Trump and President Joe Biden? Did their jaws hit the floor?

did they all in unison scream out in a chorus of oh shit all that's coming up in just a moment with the authors of a new book fight we got the boys in new york two a days dan young establishment james and tin foil pat dan had a homework assignment that he did not finish he was supposed to watch tombstone self-imposed that's well i mean okay discipline is a matter of self-imposed requirements and you showed lack of discipline in watching Tombstone. But that's not going to stop me today from giving one more eulogy for Val Kilmer. And that is top five quotes from the movie Tombstone uttered by the character of Doc Holley, including the most controversial line that is a matter of debate to this day. Did he say, I'm your Huckleberry? Or did he say, I'm your hucklebearer? I have the definitive answer coming up a little bit later here on the Will King's.

show but we got to get to some important things here before we break down the gossip the inside information on the race for the white house with story number one president donald trump in a ceremony at the rose garden of the white house yesterday announced liberation day liberation day was a series of tariffs unveiled by the administration on countries across the globe the markets today are reeling. I saw a stat this morning, the $2 trillion in equity value erased as of this morning. Stocks down in pre-market trading late yesterday, and again today, stock market down. Probably should be put into context that over the first quarter of his presidency, the S&P 500 is slightly down.

0.73. The Dow Jones up 1%. The NASDAQ composite down 3, but the Russell 2000 up almost 3. Brent and WTI crude down 16.5 percent. Bitcoin up 21.5 percent, far from an economic collapse over this period of the first quarter. But that won't make us either hyperventilate nor underreact to the news from yesterday. I believe Liberation Day will go down as one of the biggest moments of the last century in America. History books are replete with wars, but also policies, including trade. wars that went poorly for the United States. Smoot-Hawley is something you learned about in American history. It is the tariffs imposed in the early 20th century. The most historians look at as a failure in American politics. Prior to that, President Donald Trump invoked the time frame from 1880 to 1913 as one of the most prosperous times where our national revenue was driven by tariffs. He said inexplicably unknown to all mankind, direct quote. We then implemented the income tax and moved our economy from one based upon taxing externally to one

taxing internally. Here is what it looks like today. Those tariffs roughly read as follows. According to administration, China's restriction on American trade, which they included, by the way, currency manipulation and barriers to trade. So a bit of an art in this number, not exactly a science. China, 67% effective tariff on America. The proposal then is to simply do half. 34% is the additional tariff, which we will add on top of other tariffs that have been posed on China. The EU, 39%. Therefore, the Trump administration wants to put in place 20% on the European Union. Vietnam, a 90% effective tariff on the United States. The administration proposes 46% for Vietnam. It's roughly half across the board, Taiwan, Japan, India, South Korea, all the way down

to Colombia. Some countries like Colombia will simply receive a reciprocal tax 10% for 10%. But for those that tax American products or bar entry of American products, such as Japan, you will receive a tariff equivalent to roughly half. Now, how will this play out? I don't know. I just know that it will probably be revolutionary. I also know that Donald Trump has been talking about this for decades. For decades, he has been talking about getting ripped off not by our adversaries, but by our allies. And when you hear any old interview of him, you hear a significant shift in his tone and his passion when it comes to this. this subject. Listen to him back in 1988 with Oprah.

And yet we let Japan come in and dump everything right into our markets and everything. It's not free trade. If you ever go to Japan right now and try to sell something, forget about it, Oprah. Just forget about it. It's almost impossible. They don't have laws against it. They just make it impossible. They come over here, they sell their cars, their VCRs, they knock the hell out of our companies. And, hey, I have tremendous respect for the Japanese people. I mean, you can respect somebody that's beaten the hell out of you, but they are beating the hell out of this country. Kuwait, they live. They live. live like kings. The poorest person in Kuwait, they live like kings. And yet they're not

paying. We make it possible for them to sell their oil. Why aren't they paying us 25% of what they're making? It's a joke. So what will be the effect of these tariffs? That's the question everybody wants answered today. Let's sample the two sides. David Arsani, who writes for National U, who is a friend of the program. He wrote Scott Besson says we need to detox from an abundance of affordable goods, the world's highest standards of living, consistent economic growth, leading earth in every innovation and quantifiable economic measurement, from being manufacturing powerhouse and from enjoying an unprecedented per capita GDP and low unemployment rates. Arsani says sarcastically, we want to detox from all of that, the world's leading economy.

Now, J.D. Vance, the vice president, was on Fox and Friends this morning, and he said there will be short-term volatility, but we expect long-term benefit as we restructure our relationship with the world. Watch. For 40 years, we've had an economy that rewards people who ship American jobs overseas and raises taxes on American workers, and we're flipping that on its head. We're going to cut taxes for American workers and for American companies that build here. We're going to make it harder to ship American jobs overseas. It's a total shift in the way that we've done economic policy in the United States of America, but it was necessary. So, yeah, we're going to cut your taxes. You're going to have more money in your pocket, and that's, of course, going to

help you deal with the cost of inflation. But that's not about offsetting the tariffs. They work together. We want to penalize people for shipping our jobs overseas. We want to reward hardworking Americans. It's all part of the same policy. I saw it describe as these policies are bundled together, perhaps with a budget resolution bill this week and a rescission package designed to implement a lot of the Doge cuts. What they're going to look at is tax cuts, deregulation, and tariffs. Want that synthesized? Raising barriers to doing business in America, freeing up those who invest in America, making it a wide open wild space for economic innovation and growth at home, but not making it easy for someone else to come in and profit off the backs of America.

Now, there are critics, and I think we have to listen to these critics because the only smart place to be today, I believe, is I don't know. Young Establishment James, after that announcement yesterday gave us all a big text in the chain where he said it's so simple it's so clear it's so great i'm humble when it comes to economics and i said to james wow yeah you're really good at predicting the individual economic decisions of hundreds of millions of people across the globe you're really good at the age of 25 there's something about economics that will make you humble yeah i don't know and that's what economic economics is it's why it's not a science it's an art. It's why finance is not science. Finance is art, all of this, because you're always

trying to predict the collective decision, individual decisions in America of 350 million people, and if you're dealing with global markets, billions of people across the globe. Every time you go to the store and choose which toothpaste to buy, you're making an economic decision that all this does have an impact on. You just don't know, man. You just don't know how people will respond. So I listen when someone like Senator Ram Paul has this to say about tariffs. What's the rationale for getting behind this? Well, one, we should not live under emergency rule. The Constitution said taxes are raised by Congress.

Most specifically, taxes originate in the House and come to the Senate, some against emergency rule. But on the tariffs in particular, on the idea of trade, trade is proportional to wealth. The last 70 years of international trade has been an exponential curve upwards. and the last 70 years of prosperity has been upwards also. We are richer because of trade with Canada, and so is Canada. Whenever you trade with somebody, when an individual buys somebody else's product, it's mutually beneficial or you wouldn't buy it. If the trade is voluntary, it's always beneficial.

There is no Canada versus the U.S. The consumer wins when the price is the lowest price. Tariffs raise prices, and they're a bad idea for the economy. So philosophically, I totally love what Rampal has to say. I do. One of my favorite books is The Rational Optimist by Matt Ridley. He talks about societies that go into decline, and they do, are those that close themselves off from the rest of the world. The rebuttal to Rampal would be it's not free trade if another country uses tariffs and you do not. You're simply taking advantage of. And so it's not free trade, so you need fair trade. I would be curious to see Rampal's response to that. But there's another idea that he talked about. in here that I'm increasingly attracted and interested in. And that is the idea, and it's undoubtedly true, that we've all gotten richer because of free markets and free trade. The poorest among us have cell phones and have problems with obesity. There is no doubt about it that the people who are poor today were rich yesterday, meaning wind the time back to what it looked like to be poor

in 1940 and has no resemblance to what it looks like to be poor in 2025. None. That is the product of capitalism and free markets. But I do think there's another philosophical discussion to be had. Lindy man, Paul Scalas, who's been a friend of this program as well, and been on here, he posted on X, I'm sick of seeing the depressing Walmart towns with obese Americans and flyover country. I'm sick of the dollar stores. Everything has to change. No more cheap goods, no more Chinese and Vietnamese trinkets, no more obesity.

Every man must work in a factory or be a cobbler. I don't know about that last line, but I do think that. there's something about our character that needs to be answered of whether or not we need cheap socks. You guys think about the stuff we spend our money on today that we didn't spend our money on yesterday. Okay, I'll tell you this. I wore haines, witty-tidey, tidy socks and underwear for most of my life. And now I like a comfortable pair of underwear and socks. Give me some Tommy Johns. You know, I'm telling you we spend money on products that make our lives wealthier, more comfortable, and that's a matter of a fact. But at some point, cheap crap from Vietnam,

corrupts our soul when we're purposeless and have no North Star in life. Now, that doesn't mean Donald Trump can fix it with a tariff policy. And I think there's a lot of questions about how this is going to shake out. Ray Dalio has a post up today about how it's all going to shake out. We're not going to know. We're not going to know with the market fluctuations of the next week. We're going to know over a matter of a year. Okay?

Will we get a trade war? Will all these countries raise their tariffs higher? will be global stagflation. I don't know. Eric Trump has a tweet out. It's pretty fascinating. Eric Trump said, I wouldn't want to be the last country that tries to negotiate a trade deal with Donald Trump. The first to negotiate will win. The last will absolutely lose. I've seen this movie my entire life. And Scott Besson, our Treasury Secretary, he said, just relax. Not everybody's going to all of a sudden get into a trade war with us. In fact, pretty quickly here, we're going to start seeing some reciprocity.

Everybody sit back, take a deep breath, don't immediately retaliate. Let's see where this goes, because if you retaliate, that's how we get escalation. And then it becomes a full-fledged trade war, in your view? Not a trade war. It depends on the country. But remember that the history of trade is we are the deficit country, the deficit country, the deficit country has an advantage. They are the surplus countries.

The surplus countries traditionally always lose any kind of a trade escalation. So how is it all going to shake out? I'm sorry to tell you today, I don't know. I say that humbly. Often when you turn into a program, you want somebody to make sense of it and tell you what they do know and what you should perhaps know about what I think is a historic moment in our economy. But I will leave you with this.

As I scroll across X or I listen to the television, all of the experts, the economists, the people that make predictions, the markets are telling you today this is very, very bad and that Donald Trump is wrong. But I do see an overlap. I do. I see an overlap of the same people with the same mindsets and the same ideologies telling us that you shouldn't push NATO for more money. And yet Donald Trump has and Europe has had to step up and spend more money who all told us that COVID-19 came from a wet market to our face as we learned almost in real time he came from a lab Trump talking about crime and moderators telling him he's wrong the American people saying no we're done not just with the illegal immigration but with the status

of crime there is something to be said about the gut of Donald Trump and that over time he ends up being right more often than wrong and the experts wrong as often as They are right. We will see. Does this help us reposition to a society that focuses on purpose and not just cheap trinkets from China? Does this rebalance the trade efforts where we have manufacturing come back home to America? Does this, in fact, lead to a more balanced world where maybe we can export as well and as easily as we import? We'll have to see. It'll be written, I think, hopefully not just in the history books, but over the next year in defining the presidency of Donald Trump. Let's define the race for the White House with real reporting gossip, rumor,

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was on the Will Cain Show just the other day. It is Amy Parnes. Great to have you both here on the show. Thanks for being on the Wilcane show. Hey, and thanks for having me earlier this week, Will. It's good to continue that conversation with you. Yeah, thank you, Will. I'm actually excited about this one, Amy,

to go a little deeper than we were able to go and whatever. We had six, seven minutes together yesterday on television. And yeah, great to meet you, Jonathan. Can I start with a question that I think is necessary? And it's going to sound like a challenge or an attack. But I know that for many people listening and watching, because I've seen it asked, why now? Why is it okay?

And you're welcome to rebut this and tell me that you did report it in real time. But there is a sense out there that's like, hey, we knew this was going down. We knew that Joe Biden's mental faculties were falling apart. And it seems for some like, okay, but now it's okay to talk about it. And it was certainly verboten to talk about it, at least for a period of time. And you guys are writing a book, and books take time to write, and I understand that. But why now? I think it's a great question.

I'm glad you asked it because there is such a discussion about it. And I think there are a couple of parts to it. You know, I think, number one, a lot of reporters, including ourselves, were trying to get to the truth of what Joe Biden's physical and mental condition were and had a lot of difficulty with that, not just being attacked by the White House for asking the question. but not having people be honest about what they knew, the people who were close to him, and Joe Biden not being put in front of the media very often. We saw, as I think a lot of your viewers and listeners have seen over time, we saw a decline in Joe Biden that was obvious. But we in the news media, for the most part, I think, you know, with a few exceptions,

are not medical doctors. I can't diagnose what's going on with Joe Biden from television. I can't, even if he was, you know, he's not my patient. even if I were a doctor. But we were trying to get to the core of that truth. And, you know, I know in NBC's reporting, including some that I contributed to, we talked to people that had met with Biden who said, you know, they were worried that it was a weekend of Bernie's situation going on. Talk to people about some of the accommodations that the White House staff was making for him over time. But it was, you know, it was sort of drip, drip, drip.

The White House did a very good job of putting him in a cocoon, which led to the questions of why he was hiding. I don't think it was politically helpful to him to hide. I think that a lot of American voters, not just Republicans, but a lot of swing voters, saw that as evidence of him being at the very least too old, if not mentally incapable. And then the other thing I would say to your point about time, with regard to the book, you know, we wanted, obviously that was going to be a big part of the story. And we wanted to take the time to go and talk to as many people as we could who were close to Biden. And so we have a lot of episodes in this book or a lot of a lot of scenes in this book that help readers understand what that decline was like and what the people close to him saw.

And a lot of that reporting was only able to be done after there was no longer pressure on people close to him to hide what his condition is. So just one more pushback. And Amy, you can answer this for Jonathan. You can jump back in. I want to get to the details of your book. but just on this note, and I can't speak to what either one of you individuals might have reported during the time, and I hear you. But there are stories where you're like, okay, they're clearly lying to me. That doesn't mean that's the end of the story, you know? And to your point,

it wasn't just Republicans. The American people could see with common sense in their own eyes what was going on. I didn't need a doctor at some point to tell me what I knew I could see. And yet there were media organizations that were telling me, what was the term at the time? Was it cheap fakes? I can't remember what the exact term was, right? Like, You know what I'm talking about? Folk fakes. Yeah. Oh, you edited that weird to make it look like Biden goes the wrong way off stage.

There was, like, I don't even remember how long that lasted, but it felt like a month or two. That was a thing that we were told, don't believe your lying eyes, Amy. Yeah, yeah, it's true. And, you know, we weren't sitting on this either. We got this book. We, you know, we signed a contract to do this book in the middle after the debate happened. So we jumped right in. We talked to people.

We tried to talk to a lot of people on both sides of the aisle. We have a really great story in the book about Kevin McCarthy, the former House Speaker, going around with Biden in 2022 and thinking, God, he's not right. You know, he's leading these visitors around the White House. He's showing them. He's taking them into, you know, the locker room. His wife is Jill Biden is saying, don't do that. We have other reporting, too, Eric Swalwell, where he goes to the White House. congressional picnic a year before the debate. And Biden doesn't recognize him. And this is a guy who

ran against him in 2020. So I think we wanted to put all this information out there. I mean, obviously we were reporting it. The White House pushed back viciously at times. I know they have to me. They've sent me all kinds. They had sent me all kinds of hate mail. And, you know, I received a number of phone calls from spokespeople there. But it's not to say that we weren't pushing. And Will, if I could just add one sort of last thing to that thought. If the question is whether the media covered itself in glory and its coverage of Joe Biden's decline, the answer is no. And I can't speak for all media. And I can't even speak for Amy. I can't speak for myself. We're doing the best we could at the time. But this is not a storyline that the media

did its best on, you know, or that the outcome was that it got to the core issue. You know, and similarly, I would say, like, you know, with Hunter Biden's laptop, that was another issue that I think a lot of viewers and listeners will remember as something where the, you know, where the media just did not do a good job on. I think it was a tougher thing, again, with Biden's health and his mental faculties, in part because the White House is such a cocoon, and in part. because we aren't doctors. I can't make it, I can't write a story that says he has a mental decline unless I've got people saying that even if it's something I can see with my own eyes. And

that's, that's a limitation. But, but again, the bottom line, broadly the media did not cover itself in glory with, with its coverage of Biden on the mental aspect. I appreciate you guys addressing that. All right, let's go to the debate. It's the seminal. moment. Fox News executive told me probably one of the most consequential debates we've had maybe in the history of presidential debates. I think that's probably true as well. Everybody points to Kennedy Nixon, but that was more of a aesthetic issue than an actual falling on your face moment in a debate. So the day or so after the debate, a friend of mine, liberal, big consumer of alternative media bubbles and ecosystems than the one I participate in.

we were talking about the debate. And I'm like, well, he was clearly devastated and clearly like, oh, this guy can't be the president. It can't be the candidate nor the president. And I said, when? When did you realize that? Like, I'm just curious at what moment in the debate. And he said, oh, my God. Like, maybe when he was walking on stage, like, just the look on his face and everything.

I'm curious, as you've reported this out now, clearly coming out of that, Pelosi, Schumer, Obama, everybody came to some similar realization. Did you get a sense of when? Like, when did they realize the wheels have shot off the sides of the car? That moment, the moment, you know, where he busted the line on Medicaid, I think that, you know, Nancy Pelosi's cell phone was ringing off the hook, buzzing, she was getting lots of incoming from donors, from other lawmakers. Obama wasn't watching that night, which we reveal in the book.

But other, you know, Jim Clyburn was watching and we, Al Sharpton was watching. A lot of Democrats were sitting there watching it and they were just dumbfounded by what happened. And that sort of leads to the unraveling of Joe Biden. And as we reveal in the book, we have lots of scenes where, you know, Nancy Pelosi's fingerprints are clearly all over this, even though she doesn't want to admit so. Barack Obama is calling around. never been reported before. There is great... Did they start that night, Amy? One of those calls and the movements and the machine start moving? That night? Immediately.

As we report for the first time, Nancy Pelosi was telling folks that we're super close to her that she was worried that there would be such a bum rush to get rid of Biden on debate night that they would end up with Kamala Harris

and she thought that that was a bad alternative. So in her mind, getting Joe Biden out going to have to be some sort of gradual thing. I mean, immediately, she was like, we're going to have to get him out a little bit more gradually and try to get someone else other than Kamala Harris in there. And, you know, there's so many, you know, but Jonathan, did that start on debate night? Or was any of that machine moving before debate? No. Okay. So Pelosi went to Biden when there was a discussion in the Biden camp of whether or not he was going to debate Trump.

and she told him that she didn't think he should debate Trump. And she framed it as we report for the first time as that he shouldn't, in her words, that he shouldn't lower himself to debate Trump. A play to Biden's ego. The Biden is superior and he shouldn't lower himself. But in reality, if Nancy Pelosi, who's one of the savvious politicians of her generation or any other, and I think both her supporters and her critics see that, if she thought that Biden had any chance of beating Trump,

she would have told Biden to debate him not to stay away from him. So, okay, the machine starts moving that night, the night of the debate. Now, one of the things I'm fascinated that I learned from your book, and this is something that we all talked about at the time. Like, who's the power player calling the shots? You know, there was a camp that said it's Barack Obama. There's a camp, I happen to say, Nancy Pelosi's the real power player in this. what I was surprised to learn is but they all thought the same thing, which is we don't really

want it to be Kamala, which is a little. And of course, the Biden camp didn't either is what you report as well. So I'm kind of like, well, then how did they end up with Kamala? Just simple inertia. Amy, you know, I talked about the role of race, you know, like nobody wanted to appear like your racist or pushing the black woman out. So like, what are the factors that led them to a place where they actually didn't want to be with Kamala Harris? Time, I think. Time was the biggest factor. You know, there were 107 days. Time was ticking and they knew it. She knew it. Everyone knew it. Barack Obama was trying, pushing for a mini-primary, wanted some kind of open convention or some sort of other alternative because he didn't think that she could win. Nancy Pelosi didn't think she could win. But, you know, one source told us at least she has a pulse. That's how it was put. They just, they needed someone who who could get in there quickly and try to run. And they tried to create this excitement.

I mean, we all remember the scene around the Democratic National Convention and, you know, how they were trying to portray that as another Obama. When in reality, I think people inside the campaign said everyone was gaslighting us. This wasn't the reality of any of it. Everyone thought she couldn't win. And they thought so even before she entered the race. So I've always been a little bit, go ahead, Jonathan. I was just going to say, I mean, the other thing here is the person with the most formal power is Biden because he's got like 90% of the delegates locked up for the convention.

So he's got the most formal power. And he does a bunch of a series of self-interested things, including at the end of the day endorsing Kamala Harris because she is someone who, even though he thinks she's a worse candidate than him, is so. someone that he may have some people to exercise some control over. And as we see in this book, you know, he goes in over and over and over again and basically, you know, kneecaps her and makes it more difficult for her to kind of be your own candidate. But the self-interest of Joe Biden over the interests of his party and, you know, because parties believe that their victory is in the interest of the country, basically him putting himself in, you know, in front of what he believed were the best interests of the country is really stunning and jaw-dropping.

And when you read this book, you will see that self-interest, that sort of character flaw emerge over and over and over again, not just with Biden, but the people closest to him. Is that a, that's an interesting question. Is this a character flaw, which I'm ready and willing to believe and seems consistent with the public, with who he displays himself as publicly? Is that a character flaw of Joe Biden? or is it a guy who was jilted by the party? Like if they're not going to be loyal to me,

why do I need to be loyal to the party? You do point out, by the way, I think some of the stipulations that he put on Kamla, right? I'm endorsing you, but basically you have to protect my legacy. No daylight between us. You're going to make sure

that Joe Biden sounds like one of the greatest presidents. So was he doing this because he is so self-focused or because at that point, the team had already been destroyed. He's like, what do I owe you? You weren't there for me, team. Can I borrow a Tony Starkism?

You know, is it better to be fair to the fact that I say both? And I think that's the answer here with Biden. I mean, yes, tremendous self-interest and yes, a massive middle finger to the rest of the Democratic Party. And particularly to Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi, who were trying to organize an open convention. What's the relationship like today with the Bidens and Pelosi and the Bidens and Obama? It's fractured. I mean, there was a bit of amending with Obama, but not quite.

I think he's really not happy with him. And the relationship with Pelosi is even worse. He's never gonna forgive her. We have sources telling us this. He's really, really upset. I mean, her fingerprints were all over this, but we uncovered even more. And so if they're looking at this book,

they're not gonna be happy with what either of them were doing. And in fact, as we report, Eight days after he gets out of the race, Biden's on Air Force One with Al Sharpton, with Jim Clyburn, with some of his other closest friends, are going down to Texas for a memorial service for a former congresswoman. And Biden says to the folks around him, he says, you know, I really appreciate what you guys did for me. You all stayed loyal to me. And specifically, you know, looks at Sharpton and says, Al, you stuck by me through thick and thin. and then Biden starts listing the people that he's never going to forgive. And the first name out of his mouth is Nancy Pelosi.

So how aware is Joe Biden of his own frailty? You point out that he's super proud that all these foreign leaders keep praising him. And I guess that's how he judged the success of his presidency. But, you know, I mean, I don't know. That could be a question that's not just about Joe Biden. It could be for all of us as we get to. old how aware are you that you're kind of slipping here man but uh was he aware at all that he is i don't know see now i don't think so and in fact he still thinks he could have won the election

um people inside the campaign told us that people who are close to him said that he said as much um i don't think he realizes that he has slipped more of the will cane show right after this It's five questions in less than five minutes. We ask people on the streets of New York City to play along. Let's see how you do. Take the quiz every day at thequiz.com. Then come back here to see how you did. Thank you for taking the quiz.

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but you point out the George Clooney thing was massive. The George Clooney New York Times op-ed that it was really big, and the truth is it was to protect fingerprints from Barack Obama. So Obama was connected to getting this done with George Clooney? Well, I think the way we wrote it, the way we wrote it because of a variety of reasons, is that George Clooney's writing sounded an awful lot like Barack Obama's voice. And one of the things Clooney did was called on the leaders of the Democratic Party to stand up and get rid of Joe Biden. And he named the ones that he thought had responsibility for this.

And the only person whose name was not on that list was Barack Obama. So, I mean, I don't know. No, you don't, I don't think you have to be a sloop to figure out what was going on there. Yeah. So we know that Barack Obama had reviewed it. He went over that letter. That's not a secret. So he was very well aware.

And as we detail in the book, they had Jeffrey Katzenberg trying to put the kibosh on that letter. They didn't want that out there. But of course, he wasn't successful. I would love to hear that conversation between George Clooney and Barack Obama. I need you to do something. What are you going to do? Is this Batman or Big Bang? Yeah.

It's a good commercial. I like it. I like anything with Jason Bateman. Okay, let's move forward, though, to Kamala Harris. Let's get into the actual, what ended up being the actual election for the presidency. Was there ever a moment, you think, inside the Democratic Party, inside the campaign for Kamla, where they felt confident, where they felt like, okay, I mean, look, let's not, let's none of us forget that the polling all suggested it was going to be much tighter and maybe even a Kamala Harris win.

I think the Trump campaign secretly, and you guys know this better than I do, always felt pretty confident. How confident do they feel inside Kamala's world? Not very confident. I think that President Trump was running a much better campaign. A tighter campaign, Susie Wiles was a really great commander of that campaign, very disciplined, very much more disciplined than in the past. And I think they looked at all the good things that Trump was doing, you know, going on these podcasts, reaching out to voters that were undecided, convincing them, you know, persuading. and using an effective message, which the Democratic Party just has failed to do in the last few elections. They have failed to really connect with voters, give voters what they want. The Trump campaign did a much, much, much better job doing that.

And that's why we saw what we saw in November. What happened, Jonathan, with Joe Rogan? I mean, she clearly went to Texas for this purpose. She went there. There was no reason for her to go to Texas. Texas. And it's been well reported the conditions that Joe Rogan put on the interview, which I believe were no conditions in studio, no staff in the studio with Kamala. And I think he gave her a rough set of issues he'd like to discuss. I think at that point they realized the importance. Well, why didn't

she do the interview with Rogan? So it's a great question. And there are obviously different perspectives on this. But to your point, and again, we're the first to report this, they held an entire rally in Houston, Texas, in the middle of a competitive presidential election, I mean, there was no chance Kamala Harris was going to win Texas. There was no reason for her to be there in late October. They created a rally there so that they could be close to Joe Rogan's studio in case they can come to an agreement with him. This is insane.

It's astounding when you think about it. And ultimately, they go back and forth and they'd never come to, I don't. full agreement, but they had been going back and forth about whether she had to come to the studio or not. And so internally, Jen O'Malley Dillon, her campaign manager, was watching an internal debate go on about whether they should even try to do Rogan and when there were some roadblocks or challenges or conditions, whether they should keep going. She thought she'd kind of broken this impasse and she's like, we're just going to hold a big, you know, expensive rally in Houston in October.

And then it doesn't work out. And as you know, and I think most folks know, if there's an attempt to make a deal and it doesn't come together, it's because, usually because there were some issues on both sides. But I think that the, you know, the Harris people were not willing to, ultimately not willing to just put her out there in the way that you need to be out there for Joe Rogan. I mean, it will. If you want to have me on your podcast for three hours, I'll come talk to you about whatever you want. I hope you'll let me smoke a cigar in your studio like Joe Roggan would. I'll smoke pretty much anything short of crack, you know, to have a real conversation like we're having now. And her team was not willing to make her, you know, make her available to do that.

And I don't think she would have enjoyed it. And I'm not sure she would have prospered from it because she's unwilling to have a real conversation like that. And then, as you know, she holds the rally, doesn't end up doing it, holds the rally, Beyonce shows up and won't even sing. So with all of that, they get Beyonce to show up, but she won't even give her a few bars of one of her hits. I don't know that media relations is going to approve that three-hour interview, Jonathan. I don't know whether or not Fox or NBC's media relations are going to allow us to do that conversation. But you get to set exceptions for books.

We can go somewhere else to do a cigar bar or something, you know. Okay. All right. Sounds good. Okay. I don't actually know if you guys wrote about this, this part. but i have to fall up i'm curious did you find out was was call her daddy much of a win for her we you know the the the synthesis coming out of this is it's the podcast election trust me i understand

how big that that synthesis and i use that word particularly importantly i don't think there's lessons my whole thing on this is both from the media side and from the political side stop calling it that stop thinking it's that because what it is in my mind is the authenticity election and all podcasts were were a medium to display a level of authenticity where people didn't know this about Donald Trump. Like you didn't know he was like this. And so now you do.

And so it doesn't matter. Like to your point, John, we could do three hours on TV and come out with the same effect if you're going to be authentic for those three hours. The only thing close she came to it was signing up to do Caller Daddy.

Now, I don't think that's a clearly authentic atmosphere. Maybe they met all the conditions. I know I've seen Alex Cooper talk about how many times that thing stopped and started and she had to like chase Kamala around the country and create sets I think $100,000 set but do you know like on the outside I mean on the end of it coming out of the back end of it

was there much of a net win for Kamala no not at all I mean because to your point well she wasn't authentic and people picked up on that I mean I've spoken to people who voted for President Trump in recent weeks and they all agree with you I mean they just couldn't they couldn't

pull the trigger for her and vote for her on election day because she wasn't relatable. She didn't make an effort to connect. I think that was a huge, huge part. I mean, people want to put it on podcasts and media, but at the end of the day, you need to have a message and you need to be able to communicate with voters about and articulate what your message is. And to this day, I still have trouble figuring out what her message was. I mean, she had trouble with short form.

I'm not sure how it's going to be better for her to do long form. Right, right. Right. Okay, I got a two-minute warning here. I'm going to let you guys do some other hits to promote your book, but I'm going to ask you both one quick question. What is the story that you're going to find out in the book fight that really hasn't been told? I'll start with you, Amy. There has been so much covered about the election, but I think we really get in there to find out why, what happened. And I think you're going to get a better sense of what happened here, not just who, why, why. they won, but we get inside the room on both campaigns, you know, a really powerful anecdote too with Donald Trump and, you know, anecdotes throughout the book on why he ran a better campaign, what exactly he did, and what she did wrong. And the thing is, you get a playbook. Both parties will get a playbook on what to do better next time or what went right this time that they can

perfect next time. And I think that's really key. And I think that's why people on both sides of the have been gravitating to this book. I'll give you a fun one, Will. And there's a lot of fun stories that haven't been covered because they're not as serious, but I think are interesting. When Kamala Harris finally calls Donald Trump to concede the day after the election,

they're having trouble connecting the iPhones. Basically, he's talking to one of her AIDS and she's going to be on the phone with another aide, and they're trying to connect all the iPhones. It's not working. And so Trump is talking to one of Harris's aides while he's waiting for this call to be connected. And he's going on about how the telephone companies aren't. He's like, you know, the telephone companies used to be so great and they're not so great anymore.

Like it's just, you know, very like, you know, we talk about authenticity. I mean, what you see from Trump is what you get. So they end up putting these two iPhones together in the vice president's residence, one with Harris on it, one with Trump on it so that they could talk to each other over speakerphone with that. Oh, really? The phone's next to each other. And there's just some wild kind of fun stuff like that in this book, in addition to some of the really, you know, I think more penetrating political stories.

All right. We talked today about Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. I should point out you do, as you said, Amy, talking the book about the assassination attempt on Donald Trump. You talk about the MSG rally. You guys have behind-the-scenes stuff from the Trump camp as well. Okay. The book is Fight, the Race for the Wildest. I want to get the subhead, the tag.

Hold on. I have it right here. It's in my email. I hate messing that up. Nope. Everybody can just look right up onto YouTube and Facebook, if you're listening on radio, fight inside the Wildest Battle for the White House. It's NBC's Jonathan Allen and the Hills, Amy Parns. We wanted, did.

I did. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Yes, I did. Thank you. Okay. Thanks for having us on.

This is a great format. And I liked having you both on. Yeah, I did. Thank you twice, Amy. And thanks. Good to meet you, Jonathan. you too well thanks will okay there they go you also have that brand new book fight after a presidential election it is always fascinating to hear the inside scoop the inside stories the minutia the

personalities the detail the interactions um on a race for president especially one that was covered in so much mystery intentional mystery and cover up when it came to joe biden and comla harris all right um second take we have to revisit the father who left his son and mcdonalds The best lines from Doc Holliday in Tombstone and the ratings for March Madness. Next on the Will Cain Show. Listen to the all-new Brett Bear podcast featuring Common Ground. In-depth talks with lawmakers from opposite sides of the aisle,

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on the Fox News Facebook page. Last night I was pounding out my top five lines from Tombstone from Doc Holiday. I can't find my list. I can't find it, fellas. So we're going to see if I can do it from the top of my head. I have it right here. So we'll see. You have what?

Your list. Oh, did I send it to you? You did. Yes. I was mistaken. You just told me that I didn't. I was mistaken. I see that.

You want to know what I do. Does anybody else just... So when I'm writing... notes to myself. Like if I'm writing even a monologue, I open an email, a new email, and I start pounding away on my phone. And then I just swipe down so it's a draft at the bottom. And so I have like four or five drafts that are never even intended to be emails. You know what I mean? They're just intended to be information to myself. But on that one, I knew I wanted to include you guys, so I hit send. And then I couldn't find it. I'm like, oh my God. Now I don't have it at the bottom there.

I do that for our elements list every morning, so I have a million drafts of just every day. Do you, how do you guys take notes out of curiosity to yourself throughout the day? I'm a big list maker, big list maker. In fact, I think I 70% think making the list is getting the list done. Yeah. Like, that's, that's my job, making the list. And I'm a big, I used to be a big legal pad guy, and I still do keep physical copies. But now I use this email draft system, which is terrible.

and I'm sure there's great technology out there people have. I don't even use the notes app. I just use this. I'm the same way. What do you guys do? I have a million drafts from every single day of our notes

in our morning meeting is just all of the elements and topics and everything every day. Yeah. I remember there was a time everybody told me to use Evernote. I tried Evernote for a while. My brother's big on this

and he talks about how they can cross-reference and everything and... I'm just so bad at being a technology adapter. It's like the pain of learning the technology isn't worth the payoff of whatever it adds to my productivity. For me, I'm sure I'm wrong. My friend's husband started this app called Trello and everyone says to use it, but it's basically just like a task, like a task list. But it seems like it just adds another step for me. I feel like I would just forget to use that.

That would be another task I'd forget to use. All right. Our task today is second take. We revisit some stories that we've talked about with some new information that we deserve not a first take, but a second revisit. The first is McDonald's. Yesterday, Tinfoil Pap brought us the story of the man who left his one, six, and ten-year-old at McDonald's to go to a job interview. We have an update, Tinfoil? That's right, Will.

We do. So it turns out the story, Fleet lie. He did not go to a job interview. The police don't know where he went. He just disappeared. He was gone for 90 minutes. And our friend of the show, Clay Travis, actually called the Augusta Police to try to understand what happened. And the police said, yeah, they didn't check out.

I have so many questions. Okay. Since we're learning a lesson in journalism here together, I want to cross-check something. Patrick, have you verified that Clay Travis called the Augusta Police? you taking James's word in our morning call that occurred? I verified, I'm not a hack. So I took the lesson out of Jonathan Allen and Amy Parnes playbook. And I double checked. I pulled up to Clay Travis. He said, he says, Augusta police say the dad who left his three kids at McDonald's was not on a job interview, left his kids alone for an hour and a half. Mom got called to the restaurant

too, wasn't happy. Full report sent to me. Go look it up on X right now. Yep. It grouped or chat there on the on the YouTube that's fascinating nice nice job by tinful Pat and by Clay Travis okay well amendment to yesterday's take I'm not with this dude I should have clipped you saying I'm still in his camp I should have clipped you saying I'm with this dude not okay to go do drug I don't know if he's doing drug deals crime or just taking 90 minutes as some me time but 90 minutes at the McDonald's

meditating not cool man speaking of a bad story and I don't want to bring it down too much but this story is while I've been thinking about this story for 12 hours I really have and it's such a bummer and I'm going to tell you I think why it's such a bummer

and it is for I'm sure many of you're going to hear it so 20, 30 miles north of me in the suburb of Frisco suburb of Dallas, Texas which is quite honestly one of the most booming areas in the United States of America. Collin County is turning into Orange County, in essence. You know, Orange County is huge and it's not so much a suburb of L.A., but its own ecosystem of economy and population.

That's what's happening in Dallas, and Frisco is the center of it. A lot of things are moving their headquarters to Frisco. Toyota, I think Frito Lai, maybe in Plano, possibly Frisco. The Dallas Stars, the Dallas Cowboys, the PGA is putting, their headquarters in frisco so it's absolutely booming and when i was a kid it was nothing it was a dairy queen and a brothel and i'm not kidding that's all there was in frisco and the brothel was in a in a in a trailer house um so i hear and so um it's exploded it's amazing it's it's it's incredible see what's it's having 50 years they have seven high schools now seven high schools and by the way that's a big

debate in Texas when you have a boomtown what do you do one high school seven high schools and the reason for one is you're going to be really good at football like allen texas and they have a high school that is gigantic but friscoe chose to have seven they had a track meet on weirdly on it was Tuesday morning or Wednesday morning at like 10 a.m obviously the track meet was going on multiple schools two different friscoe high schools involved in this uh seven year old kid Austin Metcalf gets into an altercation with

another 17 year old from a different high school in Frisco his name was Carmelo Anthony shockingly and Anthony stabs Metcalf in the chest at the track meet apparently I think it hit him in the heart

his twin brother Metcalf's twin brother grabs him I think he dies at the hospital but he bleeds out largely right there in his twin brother's arms at this track meet in frisco and it's just awful it's an awful awful story now the initial reports are that it was just metcalf telling anthony to move and it escalates into this my son had soccer practice last night he plays soccer with a bunch of boys from frisco and i was asking him about it the high school rumor mill and that's

not reporting but is that there's a little more to the story maybe more than what just occurred there at the track me but i mean i only tell you that because you know in the context of the mcdonald's story everything we hear isn't everything at the beginning it doesn't matter what we hear it's not going to justify murder it's not going to justify a 17 year old getting stabbed and it's just awful and online it's becoming a major story over race uh it just is um i saw somebody attack me when i posted it on x that i've only looked at i've looked at your profile and you haven't posted about any of this other stuff. I wonder why you're posting this one

could it be because of the race of the individuals involved. And what I would say to that, and I don't know why I'm responding to some random person on X, but I mentioned it hit close to home. Geographically, it's literally close to home. Age-wise, it's literally close to home. I have a kid this age. Friend-to-friend connections, it's literally close to home.

My son is friends at his school with guys who transferred from my son. one of these schools and played football with Austin Metcalf. Every step of the way, it is close to home for me, and it's just when stories, and I'm not saying right or wrong, when stories are one where you can easily put yourself into it, it's just, it's hard to stomach, it's really hard to stomach and see how you can send your kid to a track meet where, by the way, the father was sitting in the stands, which I was at a track meet on Tuesday afternoon, and think that this is even in the realm of possibility,

of things that could happen realm of possibilities anyway it's a bummer it's a horrible story my prayers literally last time I'm like I don't know what can be done for that family but I can't imagine

going to bed tonight with one of your sons all of a sudden gone forever gone anyway bummer sorry to bring it down but I do think it's an important story you're going to hear more about on to other stories in second take

March madness ratings are in First weekend of March Madness did really well, really well. This despite a lack of buzzer beaters and honestly, good games. The thing that's come to define the madness of March Madness has been not present in this tournament. Maybe Maryland and Colorado State. That's about it. But the ratings for the second weekend, not so good, down. And now we go into Final Four with four number one seats.

And here's what I'll tell you. I'll bet the ratings are good for the final four and the championship game. Colin Coward has a take. He's always said, where you think you want Cinderella, but you really don't. You don't want to see St. Mary's.

You want to see North Carolina. You want to see big brands that you recognize. And I think that he's been validated in the ratings on that stuff. So with Florida, Auburn, Duke, and Houston, not that they're all necessarily huge brands, but they're all big-time programs in number one. and you have Duke, and I'm sure Duke will drive ratings to some degree,

I think this is the final four that you want. My suspicion, I'll tell you guys, is you want Cinderella into the second weekend. You want Cinderella into the Sweet 16. You want Cinderella on Sunday of the Elite 8, but you don't want her at the final four. Just subconsciously, you may tell me you do, but when it comes to your viewing habits,

it doesn't reflect what you really want. And so I'm predicting a good weekend, Tinfoil. Yeah, I think that, you know, it's really true across the board in all sports. You know, the Diamondback snuck into the World Series a couple years ago. Ratings weren't very good. The NBA ratings are down because they have more small market teams that are good versus the big market teams. I think you're right that, you know, what people really want is to see the best of the best at the end. Yep, I think that's what you're going to get.

This weekend. All right, final story in second take today. Your top five lines by Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday in Tombstone. Just on the outside, looking in with an honorable mention, Oh, Johnny, I apologize. I forgot you. We're there. You may go now.

He has a long-running rivalry with Johnny Ringo. And there's no bigger insult. One of my favorite insults in all of fiction is, from a book. It's from the fountainhead. I don't know if any of you ever read Einrand or read the fountainhead. But the main character is Howard Rourke. He's an architect. He's a Frank Lloyd rightish doing unique things. And the villain is Ellsworth Toey, who is a writer for like the New York Times, the fictionalized version of New York Times. And he's constantly writing horrific reviews of Rourke's architecture and essentially trying to destroy his career, destroy his

unique, iconoclastic, disruptive career. And they finally meet towards the end of the book. And it's a big moment for Tui. Big moment, right? And he walks up to Rourke, and he goes, be honest, Mr. Rourke. What do you think of me? And Rourke kind of looks at him quizzically and goes,

I don't. And then walked away. And it's just the coldest, baddest, ass line. And today we live in a burn culture of dunk back, but I think that's the most hurtful thing I don't think of you. Oh, Johnny, I forgot you were there. You may go now. At number five, Doc Holliday, a drunk always messed up in the movie.

Somebody says something about how he's in such bad shape at all times, and he says, nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself. Good line. It's good line. More to come from Doc Holliday. Two days, you've got to finish the movie, and then maybe these lines will resonate more.

On his deathbed, Wyatt Earp, always had been looking for the normal life, get away with the beautiful woman, have a good life, not be the sheriff who cleans up the town. And Val Kilmer, as Doc Holliday says, there is no normal life, Wyatt, just life. Get on with it. Deep, good, from Doc Holliday.

At number three, Doc Holliday comes out of this deathbed to go fight with Wyatt Earp, track down his enemies, not for revenge, but for a reckoning. And one of them says, what are you doing here, Doc? You shouldn't even be here. You know, you should be in bed sick. And Doc Holley goes, White Earp is my friend, is my friend. Like, I do it better. White Earp is my friend. He says, well, hell, I got lots of friends. And Doc Holley says, I don't. That's good. And finally, from the same scene, number two,

When he's about to have his duel with Johnny Ringo, it's just a simple little line. The camera progressively gets closer to both of their faces until it's just on their eyes and finally just on their mouth and they're spinning around each other and their fingertips are tapping their pistols. And he says, say when. And then kills Johnny Ringo. And then finally, at number one, the most controversial line in the movie, Johnny Ringo's thinking he's going to have a duel with Wyatt Ert.

come walking out of the trees is a dark figure shadowed figure sunlight reveals it's not wider it's doc holiday johnny wringo says i didn't think you'd show doc holiday says i'm your huckleberry and it means i'm the one you're looking for now there is controversy and there are people in the comments right now i'm sure saying no will he says i'll be your hucklebearer i'm your hucklebearer

not your huckleberry and the theory is that a hucklebear was a guy who carried a casket right i believe that's what a huckle bear was back in the day and it would make sense i'm about to kill you i'll carry your casket i'm your huckle bear but it's not what he said despite you knowing the entomology of the word hucklebear he says i'm your huckleberry and why because that means i'm the one you're looking for if you need validation for which one he actually said the title of of Val Kilmer's memoirs is I'm your Huckleberry He is confirmed

That's what he said In Tombstone There's your top five lines From the movie Tombstone All right Go finish the movie two days Give us your review Here hopefully in the next couple of days

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