Will Cain Country - Hunter Biden GUILTY! Reaction With Miranda Devine

Episode Date: June 11, 2024

Story #1: Hunter Biden was found guilty on all three charges related to the illegal purchase of a gun. New York Post Columnist and Author of Laptop from Hell: Hunter Biden, Big Tech, and the Dirty Secrets the President Tried to Hide, Miranda Devine joins Will to break down the end of the case and what it means for President Biden and his family going forward. Story #2: The right-wing strung together victories across Europe: why was it all about immigration, and what is the likelihood that the same thing could happen in the United States? Story #3: Will reacts to comments and emails sent in by you, the audience! Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, Hunter Biden guilty on all counts, on all charges. Live reaction with the author of Laptop from Hell. Columnist for the New York Post, Miranda Devine. Two, The Canary and the Coal Mine. In 2016, Brexit gave us some indication of what would happen in the United States presidential election. Could it yet be another indication? European elections that elected, quote-unquote, the far right? Is it the Canary and the Coleman that tells us something about the presidential election in the United States in 2024?

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Big show today, live instant reaction to the fact that Hunter Biden has been found guilty. So serious. fact that the producers have already pointed out I had to button up the second button on my shirt. Not a day for chest hair, a day for seriousness, a day for understanding what just happened in Delaware with Hunter Biden. So let us get started with story number one. She is the author of Laptop from Hell. She's a columnist for The New York Post. She's Miranda Devine and she's here on the Will Kane show. Hey Miranda. I will. How are you? I'm good. So Hunter Biden,

guilty on three counts, all counts, in Delaware. What's your initial reaction? Look, I think it's sad. I guess I'm, I feel that it's good that the jury did the right thing in terms of the evidence. I mean, it was a pretty slam dunk case. You know, he was damned Hunter Biden by his own words, which were played from his book in his own voice throughout the, courtroom in the beginning of the prosecution case and then played out in text messages from

his laptop. I mean, that was really the only gratifying part of the case, which was pretty tawdry, was seeing the actual laptop, which was government exhibit number 16. The silver MacBook Pro was held aloft by Derek Hines, the prosecutor, one of the prosecutors. He showed it to the jury and then he walked it across the courtroom and he handed it to the FBI agent Erica Jensen in the witness box and she identified it yes as Hunter Biden's abandoned her word laptop, the laptop that he had abandoned at the MacBook repair shop, just a few miles away from the courthouse in Wilmington back in April of 2019, which was just a couple of weeks before his father actually announced that he was running for president.

So it was even during the trial, even after that laptop was entered as an exhibit, though, you had Abby Loll, Hunter's lawyer, still trying to sort of throw some shade on the laptop and saying, well, you know, what the prosecution is calling the laptop and trying to make a distinction between the laptop and the hard drive image of the laptop, but the judge would have nothing of it. She said, no, the hard drive is an exact image of the laptop. And so we are just going to describe them as one and the same. It's laptop slash hard drive. And also the FBI and the prosecution said that the contents of the laptop slash hard drive

were corroborated by much of the content that was in the ICloud that had also been subpoenaed from Apple by the investment. to get us in Delaware, just coincidentally enough one day before Hunter dropped off that laptop. But look, all up, Will, it was a pretty sad event. I mean, there's Hunter Biden, all the damage that he has done to the people who loved him, particularly the women, you know, his ex-wife Kathleen, his brother's widow, Bo Biden, with whom he had this just explosive relationship for at least a year after Bo's death. broke up his own marriage.

He introduced her to crack. That was something new that we found. He introduced Hallie Biden to crack. She had a quite severe addiction and had to go to two rehab, expensive rehab sessions to get over it. And then also a young woman who was the same age as his eldest daughter, a woman called Zoe Keston, who was actually an incredible witness with an amazing recall.

He had a relationship with her, about a year while he was on with Hallie as well, among all the other prostitutes and lady, you know, strippers and so on. She had been a stripper at a gentleman's club in New York, and she had a lot of evidence on her phone that we hadn't seen before to show that Hunter, yes, was using crack at around the time of that drug purchase. But she also was in love with him, and she sort of was blown off by him. You could tell that her heart had been broken by him. She said he was very charming and just made you feel like you're the center of the universe. And then there was Hunter's daughter, Naomi, who's now 30.

She got married in the White House, actually, last year, the first grandchild of a sitting president to be married at the White House. And she tried valiantly in the witness box as one of only three defense witnesses for Hunter Biden to paint a rosy picture of his sobriety at the time that he bought that gun. But under cross-examination, her testimony fell apart because Derek Hines and Leo Weiss, the prosecutors just showed her a bunch of text messages from Hunter's laptop during that time that she was in New York. And her father was just unavailable to her, didn't answer text messages, was supposed to

swap over vehicles, wasn't available, then texted her back at like 2.30 in the morning and the text messages captured her despair. She says at one point, I can't take this anymore, Dad. I just wanted to hang out with you. So she wiped a tear as she left the courtroom. So, you know, it's not a happy day for anybody, but it's a measure of accountability. But it doesn't touch anywhere near what the real crimes were on the laptop, which is the influence peddling by the Biden family, using Joe Biden with his ready involvement in cashing in millions of dollars from our adversaries overseas. So let's stick with the trial for a moment, and then we'll come back in more detail about the laptop and the true meaning of this trial. There's been some indication. There's been some

tendency I've noticed of people analyzing this trial to examine. express some empathy. I think it derives from this idea of addiction. I think because so many people, so many viewers, perhaps even some of the jurors, have personal experience with addiction, there's been this tendency to characterize or cage or frame the conversation somewhat through the lens of empathy. When I hear you talking, I don't hear that's what you're saying because I have trouble mustering up in any form of empathy for Hunter Biden. But that doesn't mean there's not sadness, because what you realize is the measure of destruction that Hunter Biden has caused in all of those people around him. You laid out his family, his girlfriend, Hallie Biden,

who he introduced to crack, and through the laptop, which you've written about extensively in the laptop from hell. And in this trial, it's, you know, I don't see any empathy. I don't see any appropriate empathy for Hunter Biden? Just sadness for everyone who is in his orbit. Yes. And look, Abby Loll carefully chose that jury to represent, you know, people who had family members, I think seven out of 12 jurors had either close friends or family members who had struggled with addiction. And, you know, the judge showed some empathy about addiction. and the prosecutors did as well. But as Derek Hines put it at the very beginning of presenting their case,

he said, you know, addiction is not a choice, but lying on a gun form is a choice. Choosing to possess a gun while you're in the throes of crack addiction is a choice. I have empathy up to a point with addiction, but I think there's almost a tendency in, American society at the moment to use addiction to excuse behavior from the addict and act as if they have no will. They have no control of their own lives. Hunter Biden had a lot of control. He was able to earn a lot of money while in the throes of this addiction. He was utterly selfish and cruel

to his ex-wife Kathleen Biden. He was, you know, we find out just recent, that he still owes her close to $3 million in back alimony that he's never paid. She was a very sad figure. She looked pinched and unhappy. He ruined her life. He was the love of her life. And he betrayed her utterly in every way. She was willing to help him through the addiction.

But as she said in the witness box, it was the adultery that destroyed their marriage. And that adultery was with his widowed. sister-in-law, as you say, who he switched on to crack. So you said that perfectly, by the way, that in modern American discourse, addiction has become not just a disease, but an excuse for any behavior that stems from that disease. And because so many people struggle with addiction, we all, you know, it's interesting, Miranda, I talked about this on Fox and Friends.

My wife once sat on a jury in Texas for crystal meth production. and once they got into the deliberation room, it was revealed how many people on that jury had experience with crystal meth, not so much as users, but friends, family members who were users, and perhaps even in the business of production, and they had no sympathy, no empathy for the defendant. They were ready to throw the book at the defendant and say, he's sorry. So, you know, I think it's interesting how many people probably have some experience with addiction. But for those of us who have that experience, it doesn't always work as an excuse. And in fact, you get pretty burned out on that as being your get out of jail free card. And it's not a get

out of jail free card for Hunter Biden. I'm curious how surprised you are. You know, after Trump's convicted in New York, I think I knew this going in Miranda. We talked about it here on the Will Kane show. Outcomes and trials are products of juries. And Donald Trump was always going to have trouble having a fair shot in New York. The opposite was true for Hunter in Delaware. That was a home game. So the jury should have been very favorable to Hunter. So how surprised are you that he's guilty in Delaware?

I thought that Abby Loll's tactic of playing to the sympathy of the jurors might work. I mean, all they had to do was convince one juror that this was, you know, that Hunter shouldn't, didn't deserve to be found guilty. Because really Hunter's lawyers never put up. any defense at all, barely. I mean, there was Naomi Biden who backfired on them, and then there were two other witnesses from the gunshot, which also backfired on them. I think that Hunter must have lied to Abby Loll, because he seemed, with a couple of witnesses, to be really on the back foot. He was shouted at by one of the guns tour employees who just said, you know, dealing with the

defense lawyers was a disaster. They're a mess. They were always late. I had to ring them. I don't know, Abby Loll's got a great reputation, but I guess maybe you just had a bad client and a bad case. But if he was going for jury nullification, I'm not sure that the big show of Jill Biden coming into court every day, dressed in really bright, bold colors, you know, looking over at the jurors, you know, especially during the selection process. Just, you know, flying back at great cost to the taxpayer, $345,000 is the estimate on Air Force 2, backwards and forwards from France, where she was meant to be, you know, with her husband during D-Day commemorations. I'm not sure that that really worked in the way that the Biden family thought it would

to, you know, project that they're a supportive family and so on. What it really projected was a sort of wealth and privilege and power. and, you know, with the Secret Service detail and the front of the courtroom, it kind of escaped the jury's attention that this entire street where the courthouse was was blocked off with half a dozen at least big black Chevy Suburbanes and all these Secret Service agents standing around, you know, protecting Hunter and his wife Melissa and Jill Biden and Ashley Biden, you know, they were all there. The front three rows of the public gallery were stuffed full of Hunter Biden's family and friends,

and they're all dressed to the nines. It was like something out of Real Housewives of Wilmington. And I don't know that the contrast in, I guess, class and power really played well for the Bidens, who, after all, Joe Biden has ruled the roost in Delaware for 50 years. A lot of people that I've talked to around this story who are from Wilmington, are frightened of the Bidens, really frightened and don't want to speak up. And I'm sure that the jurors must have felt some measure of intimidation from the power of the presidency that was represented by Jill Biden every day

in her bright purple, bright pink, bright red outfits. And in fact, so much so that the prosecutors, in summing up, pointed towards where Jill Barden was sitting and said to the jury, you know, that's not evidence. Basically, don't be intimidated. You may know these people from the news, but they're not part of this case. You have to rely on the evidence before you,

and that's pretty open and shut. And look, the jurors came back within a few hours. They had an hour and 10 minutes yesterday, had a couple of hours this morning, it obviously wasn't much of a struggle for them. And I think they would have looked at the contrast between, you know, the privileged Biden family, their own situation in life.

I mean, there are people there are teachers and retirees and truck drivers and just working people who also would have seen the witnesses. I mean, one of the most compelling prosecution witnesses was a guy called Cleveland, who was one of the gun store employees who sold the gun to Hunter Biden. And for some reason, I mean, Hunter must have told Abby Loll that he didn't really mean to buy the gun, that he was kind of pressured into it by this bushy salesman, Cleveland.

And Cleveland gets into the witness box. And he's this big black guy, just very personable, very likable. First time anybody in the courtroom laughed. The jury laughed at one point with some of his. sort of banter with the prosecution. But he was just a guy who said he loves guns. He loves cars. He recognized the car that Hunter Biden drove up in. It was a Cadillac, some sort of a luxury black Cadillac that belonged to Hunter's father, that belonged to Joe Biden. And Hunter drove it in. And because this guy Cleveland loves cars, he noticed it out the window. And he wasn't a pushy

salesman. He just loves guns. And he, you know, Hunter decided he wanted this Colt 38th and so Cleveland sold it to him, but all the other accoutrements that Hunter bought that he pulled off the shelf, like for instance, a BB gun, some sort of a gadget with knives and things on it, he also bought a speedloader and hollow nose bullets, hollow point bullets. And it was $900, but as Cleveland said, he gets paid the same salary, whether or or he sells nothing or, you know, 50 things. Right. And this was his second job.

He actually drives a trash truck for the city to make ends meet. He also works at the gun shop. So he was very personable. And it was interesting that the day that he was giving evidence suddenly comes into the gallery, public gallery sitting behind the Biden family, was four or five black people from the NACP. There was a pastor. they stood before, before the jury came in, but right in front of the media doing like a prayer circle.

You know, it was quite conspicuous. It was a performance being put on for the jury, a majority black jury. And to me, it seemed terribly transparent. I don't know if it seemed transparent to the jury, but clearly they weren't affected by it. I didn't know that, that it was a majority black jury. And that was a performance in effect from, those black leaders to influence that jury, even if they weren't yet in the room, perhaps some show of support. Hey, you've reported on the Bidens extensively. Let's go back to Jill Biden. I do find it

fascinating that she showed such public support for Hunter Biden, to the extent to even flying back from France, as you pointed out. What is the relationship between Jill Biden and Hunter Biden? I guess from a distance, I know she's not his biological mother. I didn't really know Miranda how close they are or are not, but this was certainly a display that would suggest they are close. What is the relationship like between Hunter and Jill Biden? Look, I can only go on the laptop, and there's quite a lot of personal sort of discourse about Jill Biden between Hunter and various friends and family members. He certainly had resentment towards her.

He felt that she favored his brother, Bo Biden, who was a much easier child, a year old, than Hunter. Of course, Hunter, I mean, this is where empathy, you can't help but feel some empathy for Hunter because his mother and his baby sister were killed in a car crash when he was just two years old and his brother was three. And he and Bo were quite badly injured. But the other side of that is that Joe Biden has kind of cynically used that tragedy in his political career ever since. He was sworn in as a senator at the age of 30 at the hospital bed of his two bandaged little boys, the photographs of that scene he's used in every campaign since those two little boys in the foreground and he's getting sworn in. They brought a podium

into the hospital room. Your heart cannot help but be melted by that photo, but if you step back a bit and think about it, why did Joe Biden use his children, his damaged, injured, motherless boys as props. Why didn't he do the seemly thing and get sworn in in the corridor outside instead of bringing a horde of media and photographers into that room? And then, you know, Joe Biden has made a big show of being, you know, the dutiful father who commuted back from Washington every night. I mean, I'm told that he would only get there after the kids had gone to bed, though effectively brought up by their aunt, Valerie Owens, who was also in the court. And Hunter regarded Valerie as his real mother.

Valerie, in fact, sacrificed her first marriage to move in with her brother and basically bring up his kids along with her mother. And so Joe Biden, who was the hero of the family, the entire, you know, his sister, his brothers, his mother put him on a pedestal from a very early age. he was the oldest child and he was the hero and he could do no wrong. And I think that kind of is the essence of the problem with the dysfunctionality in the Biden family because Joe Biden has always put himself in his career first. Miranda, game of tunes on YouTube comments Hunter is preparing a deal.

He ain't doing 25 years for the big guy. What do you expect to happen next for Hunter Biden after this guilty conviction? Look, I have no doubt that his father will pardon him during the lame duck period after the election or, I mean, if he gets rolled before that, which I'm not sure how distinct a possibility that is, I'm sure he'll make a deal with whoever would succeed him, that his son would get pardoned.

I don't believe for a minute his insistence that he won't pardon Hunter. You know, I don't think Joe Biden has been, been truthful about anything, and he's not going to be truthful about this. But Hunterface is a more serious trial in California in September. This is on tax fraud charges. And, of course, the worst of those charges disappeared, thanks to now special counsel, David Weiss, who slow walked and obstructed that investigation through the five years that it was

going on when he was U.S. attorney in Delaware. And we know that from the two brave Iran. whistleblowers who came forward, and without whom, I doubt, Hunter Biden would have faced, would have been indicted or faced any of these trials. He would have just got off with a slap on the wrist. But here he is. And even though the statute of limitations was allowed by Weiss to run out on the worst years of 2014-2015 years, in that California trial, the 2014-15 has been part of the indictment. The evidence will be presented

as part of the prosecution case. So while Hunter can't be charged over those, it still drags in his father because, of course, those are the Burisma years when Hunter was getting a million dollars a year from the corrupt energy company Burisma to sit on their board. And also it brings in the firing

at the instigation of then Vice President Joe Biden of the honest, in Ukraine, Victor Shokin, who was investigating Burisma. So that can all be brought into the trial, depending on how brave the prosecutors are. And they've shown this time, you know, it was a bit of a limited hangout. But they were pretty ruthless in there bringing their case. But I, so for that reason, because it's only weeks before the election, I have no doubt that there will be a lot of pressure on Hunter Biden to settle the case, to take a plea.

before it goes to trial, as well, the conviction, the guilty verdict in this case will play against him in California. It will mean that if he's convicted, whatever sentence he gets will be exacerbated. So it's a pretty perilous time for him. Understanding at the end of the day, he gets a pardon from daddy after the election. CBFHQ on YouTube agrees with you. He will be pardoned by his daddy when he leaves in November. You point out, he's still got the tax evasion charge trial that he'll have to face. He also has neglect of child support payments, spousal support payments as well. He's got more legal trouble still ahead.

Whitney Smith on YouTube writes, no one is above the law, quoting Joe Biden. Joe Biden, Miranda, is scheduled to speak in about, I believe, two hours on gun control. Shockingly, today he's giving him. a speech on gun control. Does he address the elephant in the room? Look, I'm sure he will because in a way, while it may be personally galling for his son, it's actually a plus for him politically because he now has a perfect counter to Donald Trump's claims that his own conviction in Manhattan was rigged as, you know, evidence of a two-track legal system. And now Joe Biden can just say, my son was subject to that legal system and I accepted the jury verdict, unlike my opponent, Donald Trump, who never will admit he's wrong, whereas my family is so honest and, you know, character is on the ballot, et cetera, et cetera.

So although it's completely bogus, they will turn lemons into lemonade in this case. I think it's actually better for them that Hunter was found guilty. than if he'd been acquitted, because that would have just fueled Donald Trump's argument. That is a great point. How does this play politically, perhaps into the hands of Joe Biden? That is, Miranda, that is if we believe that Hunter Biden's crimes are relegated to tax evasion, spousal, support, and gun forms. And that, of course, is not what anyone, most notably yourself, have been focused on when it comes to Hunter Biden. So let's walk back into now at the end of our conversation, the real issues when it comes to Hunter and by extension, Joe Biden. You have to sit here today a little bit in awe of the moment that a laptop that had been dismissed by 51 intelligence agents.

And I read recently to James Clapper, asked very recently, do you regret that letter, said no. A laptop that would been dismissed by the intelligence community as Russian disinformation is held up now. as government by government prosecutors as direct evidence in a federal trial. That is a pretty shocking turn of advance, and in effect, an admission, Miranda, that you were right. It was always real, the laptop from hell. That's right. We would never have published if we weren't certain that it was, but it's certainly good

to see it, you know, as an exhibit in the trial, as the backbone of now two, um, trials, felony trials against Hunter Biden. But of course, you know, those 51 former intelligence officials, James Clapper, if they admit that they were wrong, that they had no basis to lie and say that it was Russian disinformation, then they have to admit that they were part of a coup, that they deliberately interfered in the 2020 election to ensure that Donald Trump didn't win. And we know, of course, that was the whole basis and reason for the letter because the letter now we know was instigated by Anthony Blinken, now Secretary of State, but then a very loyal senior advisor to the campaign, the Biden campaign. He phoned the former acting CIA director

Mike Morel and planted the seed of the letter in his brain. Morrell testified to Congress. that he never even considered writing a letter until he got that phone call. And then a follow-up email from Anthony Blinken with this bogus, very thinly sourced USA Today article claiming that it was Russian disinformation and claiming, you know, intelligent sources unnamed, etc. This was all a plot. And most of those signatories were CIA.

And we have seen, I've just finished writing another book. It's about the cover up. It's called The Big Guy. It'll be out soon. And that talks about the shadowy hand of the CIA, which is behind Joe Biden's career from the beginning and also behind the cover-up of Hunter Biden's, the investigation into Hunter Biden. For instance, the CIA intervened with the DOJ and told prosecutors during that Delaware investigation that they should steer away from interviewing Kevin Morris as a witness, Kevin Morris being Hunter Biden's sugar brother. who stepped in conveniently before the 2020 election and paid off Hunter's tax debts and funded his lifestyle,

made sure that the baby mama case that was coming to trial and was going to be a problem, be another scandal that would blow up Joe Biden's campaign, that that was taken care of, that Kathleen Biden was taken care of. There was a lien over one of her properties because Hunter hadn't paid his taxes. So, you know, the Sugar Brother, Kevin Morris, Hollywood attorney, came in on the record he spent about $6.5 million in loans,

supposedly to Hunter Biden. But, you know, I'm looking at it could be as much as $10 million that he's spent. He is very wealthy, but that's pretty generous for someone you've never met before. He comes in as the night in shining armor, saving Hunter, but really saving Joe Biden's campaign. And when the FBI tried to look at potential violations of federal campaign finance laws, again, they were warned off by the prosecutors, particularly by Leslie Wolfe, who was basically the deputy of David Weiss in Delaware. And the IRS investigators have also testified that every time they went down an investigative trail that they should have gone down in the normal course of events that would lead to Joe Biden, they were told that it was off limits.

They were not allowed to interview the grandchildren, even though they had been recipients of money. They were not allowed to, you know, conduct a search of a cottage on Joe Biden's property on his estate in Greenville, Delaware, where Hunter Biden had been living. When they were going to issue a search warrant for a storage locker of Hunter Biden's, Leslie Wolf, the prosecutor, chipped off Hunter Biden's lawyers. So that was a very dodgy investigation dragged on for five years. They were ready to charge in 2019.

What we're seeing now in terms of indictments are really the bare minimum. It's the tip of the iceberg. And of course, none of it touches Joe. Right. And so that last question, do you think all of these charges, including what he was just convicted of, sort of make the real issues, the things that we're talking about now, corruption, things that extend to Joe Biden? Does it make those issues go away? Does it bring them back to the forefront, Miranda?

And look, one thing about Hunter you can always say, it seems, is he's a leaky vessel. This is not a ship that you would put a lot of stock in remaining afloat. And so, I mean, I don't know. Maybe the one place in his world he's capable of complete fidelity is in his relationship with his father. But at some point, if Hunter keeps racking up personal legal liabilities, I wonder if he ever gets to the point of telling the truth. about the role that he's played on some of these bigger issues yeah i think that would be certainly weighing on the minds of joe and jill biden um uh you know while hunter biden adores his father uh you know he's a 54 year old man and the relationship is still very uh you know

father child um and i guess that's because he lost his mother very young and was reliant on his father. But his father, you know, as we know, is an inveterate liar, promised things to a little boy that he never fulfilled. And there is some sort of, I don't know, Freudian resentment there you detect in certain communications in the laptop. And, you know, I always ask myself, Hunter Biden deposited that laptop in Wilmington. I mean, it was like a ticking time bomb just two weeks before Joe Biden announced that he was running for president again. And, you know, his running for president causes great problems for Hunter. While Hunter, you know, lived off the vice presidency and the power and prestige that it gave

him the access, the influence, and he got millions of dollars from it, it also put a lot of pressure on him with his addiction. So I guess he just felt his father has been selfish all his life and he was annoyed. And at the time he dropped that laptop off, he was a lot of. He was absolutely furious with his family. He felt that they were throwing him under the bus and sort of reducing him to, oh, Hunter the addict, instead of Hunter, the guy who'd been supported the family for 30 years

and giving, as he said, half his money to dad, I think there is mixed feelings there. And I don't think Hunter has any appetite for going down on behalf of his father. He'll be expecting 100% protection from his father. even if it destroys his father's campaign. Right. A pardon.

Otherwise, does Hunter Biden at some point, who has definitely indulged in self-sabotage, just start indulging in sabotage, does he sing on the Biden crime family? All right, she is the author of The Laptop from Hell. She's got a brand new book out. She just mentioned it called The Big Guy. I want to be on the lookout for that as well. And she's a comment to the New York Post. We're glad to have you here with live reaction to the guilty verdict.

for Hunter Biden, Miranda Devine. Thank you for being on the Will Kane show. Thanks, Will. All right. Supplemental dinner says good timing before debate, assuming Joe does it, referencing a debate. But Jackie Kewood responds, I can't wait for the debate now. Certainly gives Donald Trump ammunition, but to Miranda Devine's point, does it not also provide Joe Biden the rebuttal, which is you don't accept your verdict in New York, but my family has accepted our verdict in Delaware. You can join, by the way, into the comment section, join the show by subscribing on YouTube, jumping into the comment section, or on Facebook, or as well, on Apple and Spotify, you can leave comments.

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I'll take you back to that history. And then explain what just happened in France, in Italy, and in Germany, that shows us the biggest issue in deciding the 2024 presidential election. That is next on the Will Kane show. It is time to take the quiz. It's five questions in less than five minutes. We ask people on the streets of New York City to play along. Let's see how you do. Take the quiz every day at thequiz.com.

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If you're watching us live on YouTube or Facebook, drop down into the text description. You'll see a button to subscribe to the Wilcane show. And you can hang out with this everyday live at 12 o'clock Eastern time as well. We're across this great country on terrestrial radio. Coming up in just a moment, we're going to bring your comments. We're going to interact with you on the conviction of Hunter Biden in Delaware. But beyond the men, the leaders, the people in our election for president, there is a single issue. one issue that is driving voters from across the world. And that issue is immigration. If we take a

quick look back into history, not too far distant past. 2016, the UK votes to leave the European Union, Brexit, as it is known, is driven largely by the British common man, the working man, the forgotten man of Britain who's looked around at his country and has seen refugees and asylum claims and illegal and legal immigration and says, I no longer recognize Britain. It's impacted his workforce. It's impacted his social services, his public services. It's impacted crime. And not insignificantly, it's impacted culture.

Britain changing underneath the very ground that they stand on. As a result, at least in part, The U.K. says no more with the European Union. Not long after that, Donald Trump is elected president of the United States, largely backed upon similar themes resting on the issue of immigration. Well, what just happened in Europe this week may give us some indication about what may happen in America in 2024. In votes for the European Parliament, almost a third of the votes went to what is described in mainstream. press as far-right parties, largely in Italy, France, and Germany.

These are parties who take very, very hawkish stands on immigration. CNN writes it up as follows. In June 2024, far-right, their characterization candidates, many of whom share Trump's populist nationalism, hostility to immigrants, searing economic message and disdain for governing elites and global institutions, just won sweeping gains in EU elections. More on that framing from CNN in just a moment, because it's important when we understand this issue are all issues, the manipulation of language. But let's stay on the issue of what is motivating voters in the European Union.

There is a writer for the Wall Street Journal who analyzed this election. election and came back with the idea that far-right parties are dominating based upon immigration. His name is Tom Garah, and he tweeted, it's very scary that in basically every Western democracy, immigration politics is powering a massive far-right surge, again, his characterization. And nobody on the non-far-right seems to have any idea how to deal with it, then provides an exception. Australia has almost completely skipped this trend, but I don't know.

I think they did it by taking immigration off the table politically via bipartisan immigration agreement that involves sending asylum seekers to a Guantanamo-style offshore detention island, which is very grim. Now, to that, Ryan Godersky, who is a conservative commentator and writes often on European politics, posted a response, which I found absolutely fascinating. It's a little long, but I want to share this with you because it helps us understand what's happening in Europe. He says, this is not true in response to Tom Garra. He says, one country stopped the surge of the quote-unquote far-right. Denmark. Yes, Denmark's famous socialist government lost control of parliament just after 9-11 as fears of Islamic terrorism swept the globe. For the first time in a century, Denmark elected a right-wing government with the quote-unquote far-right Danish people's party being the third largest party in the country.

I'm not just giving you a history on European politics. This is going to point to the motivating issue of people. not just in Europe, but in America. Godersky goes on. From 2001 to 2011, and again from 2015 to 19, the DPP was able to support a coalition government that moved Denmark into being the furthest right-wing Nordic country in Europe. That all changed in 2019 when the left-wing Social Democrats retook Parliament and the DPP nearly lost all their seats.

So how did the left do it? How did Social Democrats win in Denmark? He answers that question. The left-wing Social Democrats said that Denmark was not a dumping ground for the world's migrants. They adopted most of the DP's policies on immigration, including breaking up Muslim ghettos and deportation of Syrian refugees. In 2022, the Prime Minister's Party celebrated for the overall reduction of refugees in Denmark. It's now been five years and the Social Democrats are still in power because of their refusal to allow the world to flood Denmark, the same way other countries have flooded Sweden and Germany. What he's pointing

out is Europe hasn't lurched to the right. We're not here to pass judgment on whether or not Europe should lurch to the right. What we're doing is we're diagnosing why Europe lurched to the right. And he's saying it's largely based upon one single issue. Immigration, the loss of jobs, the rise in crime, the loss of culture across Europe. And that's what you're seeing take place. in places like Italy in France and Germany. It's what you saw happen in Britain in 2016 and what you saw happen in America in 2016. Is it what we will soon see again in America in 2024? Well, before that question is answered, this election will attempt to be pivoted away from the issue that every poll suggests Americans care about, which is immigration.

It will, the left and the mainstream media will attempt to make this election largely about two things, abortion and the threat of authoritarianism. I told you yesterday that I sat on a plane this weekend next to a lady that watched MSNBC for two hours, and I was shocked at the world that they lived in. Everything was as though Donald Trump was about to turn America into Nazi Germany. And that is echoed, by the way, in people like Rachel Madd out. on CNN, Rachel Maddow gave a Q&A to one of the biggest hacks in media, Oliver Darcy. I want to read you some of what they had to say back and forth. Darcy asks Maddow,

Trump and his allies are openly talking about weaponizing the government to seek revenge against critics in the media and politics. They're even talking about jailing their fellow Americans. Again, no sense of self-awareness or irony as they literally just went through a trial to jail Donald Trump. You're one of the most notable critics on television, pointed at Maddow. Are you worried you could be a target? You have to hear this answer from Rachel Maddow. I'm worried about the country broadly if we put someone in power who openly allows

that he plans to build camps to hold millions of people and to quote root out what he's described as subhuman terms as quote the enemy from within. Again, history is helpful here. He's not joking when he says this stuff and we've seen what happens when people take power proclaiming that kind of agenda. She says, I'm worried, yes, about him jailing her, but I'm only as much as I'm worried about all of us that Donald Trump's going to jail the left. Well, I was curious when I read that. Like, on what grounds do they make these claims that Donald Trump is a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler? That's clearly what they're alluding to. In fact, it's not an illusion. I can read to you what they're saying, because I was like, let me see what they're talking about. What is this

root out that they keep talking about. So I found an article, again, from CNN, where they pinpoint the origins of root out. And here's what Donald Trump had to say. It was in a speech in New Hampshire. He said, quote, we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country. Now there's some strong language, clearly, but what's he talking about rooting out? Communism, Marxism, and fascism

within the confines of our government. I think if you polled the American public, you give an overwhelming majority to say, yeah, I'd like to root that out of government. Is that the words of Hitler? People point out of him saying

vermin. Well, he's calling communist, Marxist, and fascists. vermin. I mean, isn't that something that we've been said for a century in the United States of America? That that's an ideology that represents a threat to our country? They point out that he was talking to the national pulse. And he says, undocumented migrants are poisoning the blood of our country. It's so bad people are coming in with disease. I'll go on to quote more from CNN. Trump's chilling rhetoric and use of vermin in particular set off comparisons between the ex-president and the fascist dictators of the 1940s, Mussolini, Hitler.

But when you hear it in context, when he's talking about illegal immigration, when he's talking about rooting out fascists and Marxists and communists, is that what you're alluding to? Is that what you are going to have a fevered pitch that we're all headed for the handmaid's tail and the pokey? All the left's going to end up in the clink? Is that the evidence on what you're painting this dystopia? How about enemy within? This is from MSNBC.

They quote, President Trump. Here's the quote. We have the enemy from within, and we have the enemy from the outside. Interesting, both. That's not what Rachel Maddow pointed to. She said the dangerous language was enemy within. So let's read them again.

We have the enemy from within, and we have the enemy from the outside. And I'm telling you, we are more endangered from the enemy from within. With these lunatics, these fascists, these communists, we're going to stop that also lunatics, fascist, and communists within. That's the type

of thing that we have a conversation about openly here on the Wilcane show. Is the biggest existential threat to America climate change? Or is it civil war from people who have lost sense of what it is to be an American, our identity, our culture? And this is how they build this dystopia.

So let's go back to the CNN characterization of what's happening in Europe. I want you to listen to the words because language is what matters. In June 2024, far right, that's key now. Describe your opponent as far right, because anything far is bad, it's extreme. Many of whom share Trump's populist nationalism, okay, populist nationalism.

Should you believe in America? Should you pay attention to what's popular within the public? Hostility to immigrants. Hostility. We don't want illegal immigration. Searing economic message. no idea what that means searing economic message but it's supposed to be bad that's the pincher that were painted and disdain for governing elites and global institutions disdain

is also negative everything negative and bad just won sweeping gains in the EU elections language is everything folks I want to show you just if you can manipulate language you can manipulate brains if you can manipulate brains you can manipulate reality you guys see the story about these two teenagers who've been charged with a felony for riding scooters over a trans flag painted in a cross section. And maybe they burned it out or left some skid marks. But I want you to remember, this is in the same context of there were just pro-Hamas protesters desecrating a statue in the United States of a revolutionary war hero, spray painting it,

chunking bottles at Park Rangers attempted to protect the monument. nothing no charges but three teenagers burn out on a trans flag painted in a crosswalk and they have they're charged with felonies these teenagers and then the scooter company because it was one of these deals where you you know rent the scooters public transport lime this is what lime had to say now once you remember language is what we're talking about all of us at lime condemn these vile acts in no uncertain terms at a time when our teams at lime are beginning pride celebrations around the globe. It's disturbing to see the hate that takes place in Spokane, Washington. We will not let a hateful fuel, a hateful few spoil the joy of Pride Month in Spokane. A hateful few, three teens on scooters riding over a trans. Your new high

religious symbol, the trans flag, painted on a crosswalk, is a vile act, according to Lyme. Control language, control brains, and then you can control reality. But despite their best efforts, reality is intruding. Unless they can turn this into a dystopian handmaid's tale where Donald Trump's going to lock up everybody who's ever disagreed with, including Rachel Maddow, they're going to have to deal with reality, and it's already coming home to roost in Europe. People care about their country, even if you call it nationalism. They care about their culture. They care about their jobs, and they care about crime. And they're not wrong to do so, no matter how outrageous you may feel.

And so when Donald Trump talks about deporting illegal immigrants, all they're left with, for example, on CBS, is now not just looking down on Donald Trump, but looking down on you, the voter. Because everything shows you, like French, like the Italians, like the Germans, care about crime, care about your jobs, care about your culture, and care about your culture, and care about. about illegal immigration. Listen to this clip from CBS's Margaret Brennan. 62% of Americans favor deporting all undocumented immigrants. So Homeland Security says that President Biden has already deported or repatriated more people in the past year than any year since 2010. And then depending on the details of what's talked about on the campaign trail, some of what Mr. Trump talks about could be illegal. It doesn't seem practical. in some sense to round up children.

And then we know that the courts have questioned whether local authorities would have the ability to do it. And federal authorities don't have the resources. So what exactly do people think they're supporting? There she goes. Can't believe that almost 70% of you like the Europeans care about your country, care about the laws and care about preserving America. All right, your reaction to the conviction of Hunter Biden in Delaware. That's coming up next on The Will Cain Show.

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so is a telephone number, which is scrolling at the bottom of your screen. If you're listening, it's 855-369, 8285. But also in the comment section on YouTube and Facebook, the Polish redneck says, there's already a pardon that's being signed. They are waiting until the last minute to drop it on the world. So the timing of a pardon would undoubtedly come during the latent duck session for Joe Biden. That means after the November presidential election, win or lose. He won't do it before the election, I imagine, because that would have bad electoral consequences for Joe Biden. But if he wins, he has nothing more to worry about. And if he loses, he has nothing more to worry about.

So, sometime in November, December, or January, I imagine we could expect. And I think we should expect, undoubtedly, a pardon for Hunter Biden. No, No, No, Lola, 1950 says on YouTube, maybe they can get him to flip. I would give him a pardon to flip. Well, currently the president is the one that can give a pardon. He won't want Hunter Biden flipping. And I don't trust that the Department of Justice is interested in any deeper investigation into what was actually on that laptop from hell. We discussed with a little bit earlier on with Miranda Devine.

But I do think the more that pressure is put on Hunter Biden, and remember, he's got two more coming. He's got the tax evasion charge, and he's got failure to pay spousal support coming up as Trump. trials, the more pressure is put on Hunter Biden, I mean, the greater likelihood that he needs his get out of jail free card. That's either the pardon or something from prosecutors to say, tell us more. Tell us more about what you're doing in Ukraine, in China. Tell us more about what you're doing with your uncle, Jim. Tell us more about your dad, Joe Biden. Jeremy Olson says, most likely a hunter will only see probation. I don't think anybody has expectations that Hunter's going to see a decade or more in jail. I don't think anybody has any

big expectations that Hunter's going to see any real time in jail. WMCG says Hunter will get the Martha Stewart suite at Camp Cupcake at worst. Most likely he'll get unsupervised probation with no drug tests. Laws are for thee and not for me, motto of the Democratic Party. I think that is absolutely true, no doubt. With Miranda Devine, we talked about addiction. You know, it's like a, you a disease now one of our producers here on the will cane show tinfoil pat sent a comedy bit by norm macdonald some years ago talking about alcoholism he goes let's just say this among diseases it's about as good a disease as you can ask for he's like imagine like the alcoholic and the guy suffering from bowel cancer discussing their maladies what's what's

wrong with yours norm says you know i have horrible searing pain from my bowel What's yours? I don't know. I get happy a lot. You know, it's a real bummer. And when other people around me get happy, sometimes we have indiscriminate sex. I know, I know.

There's much more to alcoholism than that, and it's debilitating. But the point of it being a disease has now allowed everyone to treat it as a get-out-a-jail-free card when it comes to behavior. And Elizabeth Gronlin says, Addiction may not be a choice,

but using the drugs in the first place is a choice. so I don't feel bad for him talking about Hunter Biden Maya also says addiction is a terrible thing but it doesn't absolve the many problems addicts inflict onto others in fact that's the real

devastation that is wreaked by an addict not on himself but on everyone else around him and that certainly seems to be the case in the story when it as well comes to Hunter Biden jump there subscribe on YouTube or on Facebook we're there

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