Will Cain Country - ICE Gone Rogue? Will Cain Breaks Down Alex Pretti Shooting (ft. Xi Van Fleet)

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

Story 1: The shooting of Alex Pretti by federal agents in Minnesota has stirred up a nationwide debate on whether the shooting was justified, but despite multiple angles of the incident circulating on social media, no clear consensus seems to have been reached. Will breaks down the footage, sharing his take on who was at fault and what you can do to avoid being shot by law enforcement.Story 2: Survivor of the Chinese Cultural Revolution and Author of 'Made In America' Xi Van Fleet joins Will to explain how the current protests in Minnesota mirror the events of Mao’s Cultural Revolution in the late ‘60s. Plus, Xi weighs in on how American influence set the stage for the CCP’s takeover, the parallels between President Donald Trump and Mao, and how strong modern day China really is.Story 3: Will and The Crew discuss how they feel about DHS’s handling of the shooting before debating how this could have been avoided. Plus, they discuss the real story of the weekend, Seahawks’ CB Tariq Woolen nearly costing his team the win over a taunting penalty. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Learn more at Adobe.com. Do That with Acrobat. describe the authoritarian takeover by President Donald Trump on the streets of Minnesota. But even amidst another tragedy, a horrific shooting involving law enforcement, the right word isn't an authoritarian takeover. It isn't to describe what we're seeing in Minneapolis as a protest, maybe not even a riot. The right word doesn't even call for insurrection. The right word for what we're watching take place in America is.

insurgency in Minnesota. Plus the author of Made in America, Hidden History of How the U.S. enabled communist China and created our biggest threat. Zeevan Fleet, a survivor of Mao's cultural revolution, joins us on Wilcane Country. Is Wilcane Country? Live from our bunkers in Dallas, Texas, amidst winter storm. 2026. From Oklahoma and Texas to New Jersey and New York City. We're covered up in snow, ice power outages were hunkered down across America. Hunkered down everywhere, that is,

except for negative 20 degree Minnesota, where the rioters, the agitators, the protesters, the violent incidents, the insurgency won't be deterred by freezing. temperatures. We hope you are hunkered down as well and decided after three days of movies. It's time to rejoin the world. It's time to jump in back into our routine. Jump in to the Willisha. We're glad to have you here today, even as we broadcast from our home studios deep within the bowels of Dallas Tech. We've got two of a day's tan tinfoil pat here as well, scattered across this great United States of America. Everybody, almost everybody, is working from home today. That's the case at our New York City headquarters in Avenue of America's, Fox,

corporate headquarters, which does feature Two A Days Dan, one of the few people to trek in the snow to work. I see you've been joined by young Connor. It's great to see there's a little life out there in America. Not everybody is totally hunkered down. What's up, boys? What's happening? How's the weather down there?

Crazy or not crazy? Crazy. Cold. ice, snow. I'm scheduled a little bit later today to head into the studios for the Fox News channels Will Cain Show. We'll see how I trek on the ice, on the roads, on the streets. And then I'm going to test Secretary Sean Duffy's handling of Winterstorm 2026 as I head to an airport and fly off to Iowa this Monday night, where I am scheduled tomorrow to be interviewing President Donald Trump. So I'm going to be trying.

planes, trains, and automobiles of Winterstorm, 2026. We'll see if we pull it off. Good luck. But it's something. It has us all hunkered down, bunkered. I've watched everything I've wanted to watch. Every football game, which we're going to break down the AFC and NFC championship game here shortly. Every movie, every series, I've watched Netflix, I've watched Prime, I've watched YouTube TV, I've watched cable, I've watched everything there is to watch. I've watched Aston Villa versus Newcastle. Broncos versus Patriots.

I have watched Seahawks versus Rams. I am watched out. That's why we hope this isn't necessarily. You've decided now to watch Wilcane Country, but you've decided today to hang out on Wilcane Country, as we will be hanging out as well with G. Van Fleet, a survivor of Mao's Cultural Revolution who has a warning for America coming up here shortly.

But we want to talk about the events of the weekend in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Over the weekend, Alex Pretty, an ICU nurse, who has joined the what can only be described as an insurgency in Minnesota, and I say that not to speak ill of the dead, nor to slander a tragedy. But to describe for you what is increasingly obviously taking place, what we're watching is not just a protest and is certainly not just a riot. There have been calls to bring in the National Guard under the insolending.

But what we are seeing might very well fit the definition of an insurrection. But I think if we're looking for words, searching for definitions, the one of the most aptly fits where we are today is an insurgency. There is fresh new reporting from Fox News Digital, Cam Higby on X, that what you are watching taking place on the streets of Minneapolis is organized. It is funded. It is led. And in many cases, it looks like it goes back to some of the top politicians in the state of Minnesota. to lay that out for you here shortly on Wilcane country. But first, the shooting of Alex Prattie this weekend in Minneapolis. Video footage shows that, I believe, 37-year-old Prattie was in the streets of Minneapolis. Like many other, quote-unquote, legal observers,

he is holding a cell phone. He's also directing traffic. It's also worth noting. He is decked out in what does appear to be somewhat of paramilitary guards. He is wearing what seems to be some type of tactical instrument. He's certainly carrying a 9mm Cig P320 with extra magazines. He steps in when law enforcement, in this case not ICE, but Customs and Border Patrol, interact with another quote-unquote legal observer, which is a protester. These protesters are not simply bystanders holding up placards and chanting slogans. They have now been emboldened, seem to think they have a hall pass.

They are interjecting themselves into law enforcement operations, approaching, whistling, honking, yelling, and in some cases, laying hands on law enforcement. As one of these law enforcement officers interacts with what appears to be a female agitator, Pretty steps in, puts his hand on a law enforcement agent. All attention then focuses on Prettie. He's sworn by multiple officers. They shove him to the ground. It looks to be about six or seven officers, then begin to try to subdue him.

He does seem to restrain. He wrestles a bit. He doesn't submit to going to the ground. He gets to hands and knees. He pushes back. At some point, the words gun, gun, gun are yelled. Preddy is carrying a 9mm. At the point at which the word gun is yelled, one of the officers unholsters his weapon.

Now things get very murky. The wrestling continues. at some point in what passes was only a couple of seconds, Preti's gun fires. A gun fires, appears to be Preti's gun. He doesn't seem to be in possession of that gun. It's possible he was already disarmed by another officer. Did that officer accidentally discharge the weapon? Did the weapon itself, which has been the subject of a lot of internet rumors and investigations about the faults in the Sig P320 fire itself? Regardless, the gun or a gun fires. The officer who has his weapon already unholstered, then shoots Preddy.

Multiple officers step back now and begin discharging their weapons as well. Preddy is killed. It's sad. It is tragic. Here's why. Because what it looks to be is a series of mistakes. An accident. Prety did not deserve to die.

Preddy did not, in objective hindsight, perfect 2020 vision, split second framing, freeze frame, slow motion, present a threat to officers. But that is not the end of the discussion. That is simply the beginning. The question is whether or not the officers had reason to believe he would be or could be a threat. Did they have a reason to believe they were in danger? A step back. In this entire exercise, the left calls for humanity. They see a lack of humanity.

They think that Trump is sent in his authoritarian stormtroopers to subdue the people of Minnesota. Stop. Stop. For just one moment. All of those men, yes, with masks up to their nose, are men. They're human beings. 50% of them are more Latino. Hard to argue that they are a white supremacists.

It's beside the point. The point is they're men. They're human beings. And human beings are capable of accidents, especially when conditions are created that amp up tensions and amp up danger. Let's survey now the conditions. ICE officers, customs and border patrol officers are in the streets of Minneapolis and St. Paul to arrest violent criminal illegal aliens.

I'll amend that and lower the bar. Criminal illegal aliens. We've talked about this with White House Borders R. Tom Homan. What does that mean? That means an illegal immigrant who has committed a crime and has a final deportation order from a judge. If CBP or ICE encounter illegal immigrants with those criminal illegal immigrants,

they will arrest and begin the process of deportation for those illegal immigrants as well, even if they are not the stated target. Why is ICE in Minnesota? Why aren't that in Texas? They are. They're in Texas. They're in Florida.

They're in California. They're in Nevada. They have made more arrests in those states and they have made in Minnesota. There are more illegal immigrants in Texas than there are in Minnesota. Then why there's so many on the streets of Minnesota? Here's why. Because when a criminal illegal alien is arrested in Texas, they are held in jail, honoring an ICE detainer, and then hand it over to ICE for deportation.

One officer, one jail. one suspect. That's cooperation between local, state, and federal forces. But in Minnesota, Chicago, New York, sanctuary cities, those ICE detainers are not honored. They do not cooperate with the feds. They take that criminal, illegal alien, and they release them back on the street. As according to Tom Homan, now it takes a team to go and arrest someone off the street. Thus, the disproportionate presence of law enforcement in sanctuary cities like Minneapolis. Now, add on top of that chaos. Agitators, largely white liberals, show up.

They have a database. They have Excel spreadsheets. They have signal chat room groups where they are tracking ice agents, cars, license plates, hotels. They hop onto these signal chat groups and they warn one another where ice is present. Not just warrant to get away, but instead warned to go directly to the presence of ice. And they do. They show up with rape whistles. They show up with cars like Renee Good, driving into a law enforcement action, blocking them in.

If you haven't seen this, you have to go onto social media. It is everywhere. They're bragging about it. They box them in. In Chicago yesterday, I saw a video of a woman ramming a car being driven by ICE agents, meaning she slammed her car into their car. They get out, of course. Guns cock loaded, pulled back, yank her out of the car, as they should.

Because what people are doing is beyond stupid, beyond unwise. It is inherently dangerous. What are you doing, going to a law enforcement action, and then interfering, injecting yourself into the action. Is that a protest? Or is that an insurgency? Ask yourself what that is. And stop if these words bother you. If left-right bothers you.

If Republican Democrat bothers you. Think about this in terms of your son or your daughter. Your son or your daughter says, here's what I plan on doing today. Would you advise them that that is safe? If you're driving around, perhaps in the snow, you think, I would be proud. My kid would be heroic. Really? Do you want your kid to come home today?

Would you advise them to approach law enforcement and put hands? on law enforcement to get into their personal space. Back to these men being men, human beings. They're out now in what is a very chaotic situation, constantly chased, trailed, seriously. You can see this because these guys aren't exactly geniuses. Their database has people in it who are not ICE, media members, others, that they tailed for an hour. They're like, what are you chasing me? I'm not ICE.

You are ICE. You're in our database. I'm not ICE. I'm a reporter. You're in our database. GTFO. That's the attitude of people in Minneapolis. It's vigilante.

It's posse. It's stupid. And it's confrontational. Now you're a human being. You're an officer. You have a job to do. You're not targeting people who are United States citizens. You're trying to get the targeted operations executed that you've been given.

And now you're surrounded by fat lesbians. And dudes in masks, gas masks, trash cans, banging, rape whistles blowing, cars blocking in, a thread of ram. What is your danger radar? It's high. You don't know who's a danger and who's not. You've got a crowd of people around you. And by the way, do you think you'd easily ascertain who's a danger and who's not?

Have you seen the latest videos out of Minneapolis? Have you seen the Homewood Suites where the crowd seems to think that's where ICE agents are staying? They are staying there. And so what does the crowd do? They surround the doors of the Homewood Suites. And they start breaking the glass. They're shoving trash cans in it. They're throwing bricks.

You can see this video on social media. One of the ICE officers seems to take one in his hand. There's also reports of one getting half of his finger or portion of his finger bit off. You can see the blood everywhere. It's all over the ground. It's on his hand. This is beyond. Obviously, this is not protest.

Obviously, this is violent. And you're asking these human beings, these men, to be perfect to know exactly who is a threat and who is not. You think nobody's a threat? Why is their blood coming from his hand? Why have they been rammed? Have you seen the stats on the number of four? crimes against ICE agents and law enforcement, they're up thousands of percent. And so they have to weaned out.

Who's a threat? Who's it not? Who's danger? Who's not? And it's buried within a crowd. A crowd of rape whistles. Who's to know? So what do they do?

They go on their front foot, not on their back foot. They push people back. These people are, remember, there's no perimeter. There's, because the Minneapolis police aren't helping. Jacob Frye, Tim Waltz, not only are they directing Minneapolis police not to help. They're making it worse. Tim Walts is saying, get in their face. I'm proud of you, Minnesota.

Get into the streets. Agitate. Now he's comparing the situation of Minneapolis residents to Anne Frank. Anne Frank. One day he said they'll be writing stories about Minnesota like they wrote about Anne Frank during the Holocaust. This is the leadership. So they're sending no protection for the federal law enforcement. There's no perimeter of local police.

So these people are all up in their face right there. So what do they do? They shove them back. Get back. get back. Verbal commands first. They don't. Because we're dealing with a generational processor. It seems to think they don't have to. Get back, get back. They don't. They don't. Shove. They don't. Pepper spray. They don't. Then they also touch law enforcement. Resistance. Physical resistance. And what's supposed to happen? This guy's supposed to be

perfect and discerning who's a danger and who is not. Now, let's go back to Alex Prattie. That's almost exactly the situation. That's almost exactly the details in the circumstances that lead to this tragic moment for Alex Pratt. He puts his hand. on law enforcement. They all focus on him. Gun, gun, gun. Oh my God, draw my gun. Gun fires. Oh my God, shoot. He's shooting at us. Wrong. But understandable in this human tragedy of conditions that have been created by waltz, by Fry, by politicians, by the chief of police of Minneapolis. And yes, by that officer who made a mistake. And yes, by Alex Prady himself.

Alex Prattie himself is also a contributor to this situation. Alex Preddy thought it smart, wise, good to dress up like that, to put his 9mm in his waistband, which, by the way, he has a constitutional right to do. No argument about that. This isn't a second amendment issue. He has a right to the gun. He has a right to the protest. And then would anyone say, hey, bro, it's smart then to go put your hands on law enforcement?

Even nonviolently. In any way, is it smart to put yourself in a dangerous situation where it's hard for them to ascertain who's a danger and who's not? Is it smart to be within the vicinity of a law enforcement operation physically in the vicinity to approach law enforcement? Isn't you that smart while you have a gun on you? Of course it's not. I ask you to be human too. Would you do it?

Would you tell your brother to do it? Would you tell your sister to ram her car to run from law enforcement to drive her SUV into an operation? Would you do any of this? And then act like it's everyone else's fault for not knowing that really your intentions are nonviolent. This is like walking into a tsunami and being mad at the wave. You put yourself here where it's very probable that it crashes on you. These aren't robots. These are men doing a legal job enforcing democratic laws.

These are democratically elected laws. Will of the people on the books. And what do we have here? We have the violent mob agitation of the resistance. to the enforcement of democratically elected laws. And then once there is a tragic accident that happens, use that as fuel to further flame the mob. Again, reporting by Cam Higby and Fox News Digital shows this is not a spontaneous protest on the street. This is organized on Signal.

That incident with Alex Prattie was as well. They saw it. They were all saying, go to the donut shop, go to the donut shop. They mass. They flood. They fund. And by the way, there's some indication, this goes back to high-level politicians in Minnesota. There's some indication reporting still needs to be verified that part of this signal group included the lieutenant governor of Minnesota, included a person who helped coordinate the campaign for governor of Tim Walts.

So now what do we have? We have organized, yes, violent, agitation, funded, with the backing of political figures or the, the participation of political figures, high-level leadership, and rhetoric designed to inflame and fuel. And what does that add up to? That adds up to insurgency. There's a fascinating thread right now from a former Green Beret Special Operations Warrior who worked in Afghanistan and Iraq. And he describes what we're seeing on Street to Minneapolis he's seen before. It's impossible to tell who in the crowd in Baghdad has an IED. It's impossible to tell who's wearing a suicide vest.

Constantly surrounded, constantly swarmed. He's seen this before. But now, but now, we're seeing on the streets of America. Let's discuss this in the wider cultural movement. And what it looks like is compared to, say, oh, communist China. With Zee Van Fleet, who has written a new book,

How the U.S., made in America, the hidden history of how the U.S. enabled communist China and created its biggest threat. Coming up. on Wilcane Country. This is Ainsley Earhart. Thank you for joining me for the 52 episode podcast series,

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exactly what happened with Alex Prettie. I want to rock you through exactly what I think is happening behind the scenes and on the streets of Minneapolis. But I also want to acknowledge what I'm afraid is a reality, and that is that I don't know how this is playing. I don't know how this will go. Right now we have celebrities like Matt Damon and Ben Stiller, and you say, or Ben Affleck,

and you say to me, oh, well, we're used to hearing from Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. You're right, but they still have a lot of cultural credibility. There's a few movie stars left that do, and I still think those are two that do. And then you have NBA stars, Carl Anthony Town, Steph Curry, and so forth, all speaking out now on what's happening in Minnesota. It's beginning to sound a lot like 2020. And then Ali Best Ducky, friend of the show, has posted. any idea how bad it is on Mommy Instagram. Mommy Instagram is going bananas right now. I got a text last night from a moderate Republican friends.

Like, I don't understand ICE's aggression. I'm saying, what aggression are you talking about? And of course, he's talking about these videos of the killing of Renee Good and Alex Prady. I'm talking about the aggression that leads to those moments. It's not ICE out there going for those citizens. They're trying to make arrests, and then they're approached by these rioters.

They're approached by these agitators. They're approached by these insurgents. And then you call their response. aggression. But the point is you're losing that moderate. You're losing that mommy Instagrammer. You're losing that celebrity if you ever had them. You're losing the NBA. You never had them. But I do worry what that means. How does this end? How does this play publicly? It is Wilcane Country streaming live at the Willcane Country YouTube channel, the Willcane Facebook page, Spotify, and Apple. And we are from our old school home studios today. The bunker in Dallas, Texas is we're snowed in, iced in, at least for the time being. I'm going to put the vehicle in four-wheel drive a little bit later and make my way down to the studios. For the 4 o'clock, Fox News, Will Cainzell. Where I'll be laying out more of these details, more of these facts, more of the investigation into the insurgency in Minnesota. But now, we are joined by Xi Van Fleet.

She is a Chinese-American author who survived Mao's Cultural Revolution. She was sent to the countryside in China, immigrated, learned English, immigrated to the United States in 1986. Xi hit the radar for a lot of people out there in 2021 when she spoke at the Loudoun County Virginia School Board meeting. And since then, she's written several books, including Mao's America, Survivor's Warning. And her newest book, Made in America, the Hidden History of how the United States enabled communist China and created our biggest threat. Good to see you, Zee. Thank you for being with us. Thank you so much for having me.

When you see what's happening in Minnesota, Ji, what do you see as compared to what you've seen in the past in your life, maybe going back to China? Very simple. It is an all-out communist revolution. It's insurgency. There's nothing less about that. It is absolutely a revolution. And so you were saying a lot of the facts, you know, before I came in. But the left.

They don't care about the fact. And I heard people, the political leaders on the left, calling the incident, of course, calling it murder, and then calling it assassination and calling it execution. Yeah, facts no longer matter to them. This is absolutely a communist revolution. And also all out propaganda war

against the American public. What do you do? I know you're right. know you're right because you heard me say right before we were joined it i hear the celebrities i hear the sports stars i hear everybody like the moderates on my that are texting me and and maybe the scariest of all honestly i more so than the celebrities when i hear people saying mommy instagram is going bananas you know gee i don't expect you to know who i'm talking about but i'm just share this with the audience so i follow a guy named rich roll he has a very popular podcast it's usually like body health and you know like how you get you know how you get in shape

And he was talking about, I think his name is Alex Honnold. He just climbed the towers in, where was it? Was it in Taipei? He just climbed the towers. He's the guy from Free Solo. He did it with no assistance. Anyway, the video was just talking about what an amazing feat. I just looked at the comments, gee, 50% of the comments were, hey, man, I love you,

but you're not talking about the right thing right now. You should be talking about the, as you described, the execution of an American citizen on the streets of Minneapolis. So your point is well taken. My instinct is to go, here are the facts. Calm down, everybody. Let's look at what's actually going on. But I don't know. What are you supposed to do?

Do the facts not matter now? We're just in a full-on propaganda war. How do you deal with propaganda? I know. It is very challenging. And we are here today because of decades of indoctrination. And people don't know what's right, what's wrong, because it never learned real history.

You know, in X a few days ago, they were comparing Narene Good as detentment and the tank as ice. And said in China, the PLO, the People's Liberation Army has more constraint. They did not run over the tank man. And that is how bad things are. They have no idea. Before that point, before that moment, thousands, thousands. of students have been slaughtered the night before. They have no idea. And this is possible that there's so many people believe the lies because so many people have been indoctrinated

by our educational system. And the conservative call it a failure. It's not a failure, it's a success. It's the wild success by the communist and Marxist. They absolutely taught generations of people of Americans who have no idea what evil is. And, you know, those people, they call them self fighting for the humanity. They have no idea what they're fighting for. But, you know, people like Alex Prattie. And I would say, and they're very good. I think they are true believers. And or in another word, they are useful idiots. They absolutely believe what they're doing. And they're absolutely. put in practice what the lieutenant governor of Minnesota asking to do.

Put your body over the line. Yeah, they did that. And there are so many people did the same thing in China, helping the communists get into power and what happened afterwards. Most of them were sent to the gulags. All right. Or executed. And what happened, the cultural revolution?

Those young people were mobilized and asked to do what more want them to do. They did it. And what happened to them? They were sent to the countryside and to be reeducated. And I was one of them by the time I graduated from high school. And they just don't know the history. And they especially have no idea what happened to those believers. You're talking about Tankman, which is the famous scene from Tiananmen Square.

Okay, you have two areas I want to follow up with you on. Okay, let's talk for a moment about this culmination of indoctrination, as you describe it. Marxism and communism and American education system. Okay, I want to acknowledge something with you. When you use the word Marxism, I know this, and you probably know this as well. And I would like to think there are people watching and listening right now, not all of whom agree with me, okay? And I know something about you. If you're listening and you disagree with me on some things, I know something.

When the word Marxism is brought up, your brain shuts off. You think, and I'm not trying to diminish your opinion, that that's a talking point, that that's extreme hyperbole, that that's all these things. So what I'm getting at, G, is there are a lot of people, the minute you use the word communist or the minute you use the word Marxist, they're done. They don't think you're an honest arbiter in the conversation, but you have this experience, okay? We're going to come back to the Cultural Revolution.

But I want to hear your case for this moment being the culmination of a Marxist indoctrination that ends up with Alex Prudy being a useful idiot. How is Marxism to play, communism to play, in what's happening in Minnesota? Okay. I know. I know exactly what you're talking about, but I feel like I have authority to tell them this is Marxism, this is come, because I live through it. And what does Marxism and communism play into this? That is the years of indoctrination. That is the oppressors. impressed, and that is one of the basic way for the left. The people do not think, for them to judge what's right or what's wrong. And you put a group of people into the category of oppressed, and then they are the ones

that they want to save. And now the Democrats call those people the illegals or neighbors, right? The strangers, and they also use Bible language. which. Okay, hold on. Hold on real quick. You're right. They're using the Bible and they're calling them our neighbors. So what you're saying is we have a population of people today who see the world through the lens of oppressor and oppressed. I think that's hard to argue with. That's fact. That's the way that we saw it in 2020. We still see it today. And you can see it on the interpersonal level. Always looking for the empathetic side, the downtrodden, the minority, whatever it may be. Oppress or oppressed has to be the lens to which you view almost every human dynamic. And that is, I it as well, inherently Marxist in its viewpoint. But help me understand the educational indoctrination that got us there. Like, I understand the progressive movement going back to the 1920s, the role of teachers' colleges. Like, how did this, how did we arrive here? Like, what's the quick history of how we arrive at a place where at least half the population sees the world

through this lens? Well, again, that's the education system. And then they demonize America. And that is the one thing. All this movement, BMM and pro-Hamas and now anti-Eyes, it's just changing of the banner. And the bottom line is they want to destroy America. Always happened in all of this movement, the protests, the burned American flag. So the bottom line is they believe that America is a racist, evil empire, colonel. imperial, they believe all this. They absolutely want to destroy the country. And this is just an excuse.

ICE is only excuse. That is why I call it absolutely communism. What is the arch enemy of communism? It's capitalism and Christianity. And it's always that way. And the CCP, at its conception, it made three arch enemies for themselves. As I said, Christianity, capital.

and the United States. Why United States? Because it's embodied both Christianity and capitalism. They hate America so much. And now, through the indoctrination, all those people hate America. Ask any one of them, they hate America. That's their motivation. And this is just about ICE. The last time it's about Black Life and then Hamas. And then it can go on and go on. It can change. the bottom line doesn't check. They hate America. And the goal is to destroy America. Because America is the ultimate oppressor in this worldview.

Because America is the top of the food chain when it comes to oppressors. Okay, now let's go back to your history. You survived Mao's Cultural Revolution. You're here today. And I believe I've had a conversation with you in the past. We've talked about this. Probably during the 2021 stuff. What did you see then?

Like what we see, we see Tiananmen Square. We see the flashpoints. We see the big moments. But you see and live through the incremental moments along the way that get you to that point. You see the swapping out of school teachers or the lesson plans in school. You saw every step of the way. And I'm curious if you could take us to a little bit of that, what seemed like smaller stuff in the history books, but are actually big steps.

Because what I'm really curious about, is how many of those steps have we already crossed down. Yeah, if I ask me, that is, uh, my story is indoctrination. And because I was, um, I indoctrinated from day one in kindergarten. And it's just little by little. What is the indoctrination? And it's a, and they took away all the information because we, we have no access to any other information except the textbooks, the radio, and from, from the party. And I truly absolutely believe the party cannot be wrong. And that's my guilty. a duty to absolutely defend everything that the party told me to do. And so in other word, because of them, I could not think.

I had never had an original thought before I came here. Never. And because I could not thought, I could not think, because I had no information helped me to think. And so I blindly follow. And it's all through education, reinforced by family. family will help you to know what's right, what's wrong. No, my family reinforced what I was taught in school and the media and everything around. Make sure that I am a willing and obedient

communist follower, and I was, I was. So little by little, you absolutely don't even question. And that's what those people today that I see. They don't question. And then you can put the fact in front of their face. They won't listen to it. They won't want to learn about it. They don't. And so that is why I believe this revolution is so threatening. It can't.

It absolutely can overthrow America. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with the survivor of Mao's cultural revolution in China. Xi Van Fleet with us on Wilkane Country. Welcome back to Wilk-Kin. country are still hanging out with the author of Made in America, the hidden history of how the U.S. enabled communist China and created our biggest threat.

Jeevan Fleet. What would you say, what you described, if I were sitting here with a Trump critic, they would say that some of what you described actually applies to MAGA, meaning the, you know, unflinching

fealty to Donald Trump or the movement and whatever he says is always right, the lack of a critical thought, or original thought. What would you say to anyone, maybe right now in our comment section at YouTube or on Facebook, who is saying you just described MAGA? Okay, you mean blindly believe in MAGA? Yeah, well, and acknowledging that actually we have to acknowledge as well.

That's the party in power as well right now, President Trump. Yeah, I can say is that I understand what's behind MAGA. And I absolutely believe that America should be first. And we, I believe, actually, I believe we're in the second war of independence for America. And we are fighting for our independence. What independence? From what? From globalists. And we are absolutely defending our sovereignty.

And a lot of people just absolutely don't see it. They absolutely don't see it because they... Okay, the younger generation was controlled by the, or prepared inducted by school. And how about the older generation? That made me so sad that I've seen a lot of older people. They absolutely become radical as well. By what? By watching CNN, by watching ABC and all of this, reading New York Times.

And so the indoctrination is both ways. It's younger and older generation. It seems to me that people in the middle, like 40 to 60, are more reasonable. And some of them, I think, had some decent education before, I would say, before the 90s. 90s was when the things really start to speed up. And I was here, 86. I saw, actually saw the difference, the change. And I started to wonder, why those Americans think like the...

rent guards. And so I would say, now I know why. Back thing, I noticed it, but I did not. This is well planned. It is all a plan, plan to take over America by taking over schools and by taking over media. Zee, in your latest book made in America, you make the argument, though, that the Chinese Communist Party was enabled at a very least or chosen or propped up or helped elevated by the United States. This is something that I think most people don't know. And the information is there, but I think they're never taught. And I think that includes our political leaders.

This whole story is extraordinary. Without America, there's no CCP. And so you have to read my book to find out. It is absolutely made in America. It was created by the Soviet Union. But the stage for the Soviet Union take over was set by Americans. And so step by step by step, we enabled the CCP to take over China in 1949. And then we rescued CCP from total collapse in 1972.

When Nixon went to China and opened its door and opened our door to the CCP. And then Clinton allowed them to go to enter WTO from this one step up to step. Now we realize, wow, how come that China really a poverty-striking country in the backwater become the strongest, most powerful threat, much more threatening dangers than Soviet Union? Because during the Cold War, we know Soviet Union was over there and we are here. Now, where is CCP? It's everywhere. Why it can't be everywhere embedded itself inside every aspect of American life is because they have an ally.

They have a strong ally here. And who are they? They are the leftist. They are the communist, Marxist. They are the Democratic Party. Okay, I want to get two predictions from you, okay? Okay, first, you will have interesting perspective on this. The question will be, gee, how strong is the CCP?

There have been predictions for going on my career in this media, which spans about 15 plus years, that China is a paper tiger, that it will fall, that the CCP does not have a hold, the economy is not good, the population will resist. But that's been 15 years. I have read other books about the long game played by China that nothing is measured in 15-year terms. Things are measured in 100-year terms. So as we speak, Donald Trump has basically pulled Venezuela away from China, not completely, but in large part. President Trump looks to be isolating in an increasingly dangerous position, Iran, which is very important to China and their access to oil.

China may lose influence in Cuba. It doesn't look like the Cuban-Chinese Communist Party is long for this timeline. Who knows? We'll see. But it has a boxing in effect on China. It's losing some of its tentacles. It's spent decades with these tentacles being put out there. And it certainly has had a couple of big tentacles cut off and a couple of more threatened to be cut off.

So what is your prediction for the future? Will China fall? Is it a paper tiger without the access to Venezuelan oil and Iranian oil? They fall. Will China lash out like Japan did in World War II when we cut off oil to Japan? What will happen with the way things are shaping up for China? Okay.

I know it is dangerous to make prediction, but this much I can say, it is not all that hard to beat the CCP. And you can see all the actions that Trump took in a short span of one year, so much isolated China and cut off its energy, cheap energy source, and kind of, it basically destroyed this axis of evil. China, communist China is not that strong. It is as powerful as today, it's because America. It's because America, for one thing, people who never understood the communism, a severely Chinese commune. Those, you know, naivety, okay, they're naive. And but increasingly, they have the CCP found, they agree. is ally, and that is the leftist, as I said already, communist and the Democratic Party.

That's our real danger. Fighting China have to start here. If we can't beat, defeat communism here, China will always have support from those people. And so I always say, my, you know, my activism is not because, you know, I'm going to fight against CCP. Yes, I do. I hate CCP. I'm the victim of CCP, but I won't save America. Only when we save America can we talk about defeating CCP. So the focus is here, the threat is here, our enemies are here. Okay.

And that's my second prediction I'm asking for you. You said earlier that you believe we're sort of like in this moment of a second American revolution. So we'll see what this Minnesota flashpoint adds up to. So what is your prediction? It is chaotic right now. It does feel, I don't think I'm being hyperbolic when I said like an insurgency. I don't know how this unfolds in the short term or the long term. But calling something the Second American Revolution seems to suggest the stakes are really high.

The consequence is real. And we may just be seeing early indication. So what's your prediction for what happens here in America? Yeah. Again, I'm not going to make a prediction. I only can only say this is a turning point. It's absolutely a turning point. If we back down from this insurrectionists, we basically surrender.

This is a test, I believe, of the resolve of Trump administration and of a patriots. And if you want to, if you're, you'll, you. want to show that we are determined we have to, I mean, we cannot back down and we cannot back that, but it is very challenging. That's why I worked so hard on X, telling people, telling people, this is absolutely a place that you really have to understand. If we don't fight back, If we just give in, say, okay, this is too much pressure, you know, that people are quoting us murderers or whatever, and we gave in, and then there's no turning back. There's no turning back. This is absolutely a revolution.

Made in America is Zeevan Fleet's brand new book. It's hidden history of how the United States enabled communist Chadha and created our biggest threats. You should go check it out. It's just out here in January. appreciate her being on with us today for this important discussion. Thank you, G. Thank you. All right, there she goes. Gee, Van Fleet. Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Kane Country. Meanwhile, back here in our Dallas home studio bunkers, it's like the old days, right? It's like the old days, Dan. It's like the old days, Dan. It's like the old days tinfoil. Look at this with my two cameras shoot, right? And I'm my flags, and I'm the director. It's feeling comfortable. It's like getting a bike.

getting back on a body. I forgot you had so much control of this before. I was like, I don't know how I let you do that. Yeah, buddy. It's good. It's good. I like it. Do you miss it?

The control. Dan has told me on this snowy and icy Monday across America, we have been blessed with a big audience here hanging out with us today. We have. On Facebook, perhaps as well on YouTube. We appreciate you from home hanging out with us here today. It is a big day. It is a chaos.

I'm tempted to use the word schizophrenic. I don't know if it's bipolar. Our national psyche is on the edge. It might already be broken. And the idea that we can share one space with two worldviews is increasingly pessimistic. And the only alternative that I have is to try to hope that we can live in the world of facts

and to talk as facts about this situation in Minnesota. As he points out, we are deep into the world of propaganda. And I don't know in that world if facts have a way of breaking through. In which case, then what do you do? I do not think propaganda can be won by reverse propaganda. I'm going to give you an example. I do not think Christy Noem in DHS have done a good job in the wake of the killing of Alex Prattie.

I don't think calling Renee Good a domestic terrorist. I don't think suggesting Prattie was there to do harm and infect mass casualties on ICE agents. is going to be the type of propaganda that wins. I think the truth is much more compelling, acknowledging that mistakes happen, and looking at the contributing factors that lead to those mistakes. That's what I have to invest in. And I know, I know, for example, Dan,

that even me investing in those facts and trying to lay out the details in the messy, chaotic nature of humanity, a chaos created by a lot of politicians and certainly a lot of coordinated insurgents and agitators on the ground, I don't think it worked in the end. I don't think I've swayed you, Dan.

I'm sure I haven't swayed the Brooklyn brunch crew. Because in the end you saw a video and something really sad happened in that video. Go ahead, Dan. No, I just understand that you can sit... Two things can be true at once. Yes, he shouldn't have been there with a gun and things like that. But he shouldn't have been killed in a situation like that.

And, you know, there should be a real investigation and really get down to the truth to make sure this doesn't happen again. Because maybe the officer will think differently the next time something like this happened instead of just drawing fire on someone they think is a threat but is actually armed. Hold on. But you can say something that is emotionally true, but then you backfill it with responsibility of existing on only one side. He should not have been killed.

On that, I agree. Okay. but you backfill that with an investigation so that an officer might think twice if you finds himself in a similar situation. But the problem with that is this will happen if you have these situations. And the backfill should be ensure you don't have these situations. People should not be interfering with law enforcement. You should not be approaching them. You should not be blowing rape whistles.

You shouldn't be using your car to block. You shouldn't carry your gun. of course half of what I just described is illegal. Of course it is. Blowing a whistle at an officer is not. How about using your car to block in law enforcement? How about interfering in a law enforcement operation? How about physically intervening?

Some of which those details did occur in this exact incident. Not the car, but the physical intervention. Like, here's a simple question. Should Prattie have acted the way that he did that day? Let's set the officer aside. I will submit the officer should not have shot. I say that with perfect 2020 hindsight. I say that having seen slow motion video.

I say that with freeze frames. I can't say what that officer's mind was in the moment. And the question of culpability will be, what does a reasonable officer in that situation think? And it may be that once you have expert testimony from other officers and a trial, that other officers say it was unreasonable what he did, and he faces something like manslaughter. But I don't know.

It could be that it's very reasonable for him to react that way in that environment. So I can submit all that. Can you submit on the shoulds that Preddy did not act the way he should act that day? Yeah, there's ways to act, but, I mean, they pushed a woman to the ground. He helped a woman. They pepper sprayed him. I mean, it's how do you look at it? It's situational each time.

as individual. Well, there's several things that went wrong on the should analysis. I feel like they get you to that moment. He shouldn't have been in that proximity. I don't know what he's doing in the middle of street. It looked like he was directing traffic. I don't know what that was about. Was that to interfere?

Was that to put people in the way of law enforcement? You're those dudes. Okay? You're there. You're surrounded by people. You're surrounded by people. They're blowing whistles. They're honking horns.

They're getting within the perimeter of where they should not be. You're yelling at them to get back. Woman does not get back. You shove them back. Nothing is done wrong yet. There is nothing that has been done wrong from the officer's perspective. Okay? Then Prattie comes over and you describe it as helping that woman.

Okay. But did he also put himself between the officer and the woman? Did he raise his hand up to the officer to hold off the officer? Is that something he should have done? Did he present himself at that moment? Yeah. And then tackled by five officers. And he got pepper spray.

Not one officer. Which he did not, did he submit? Did he submit? Or did he push, did he wrestle back? He probably felt. Did he lay on the ground and put his hands behind his back? I'm saying, yes, of course, both sides handled it poorly, but it led to the end of his life. Correct.

Correct. Yeah. So, I mean, you're saying there's culpability. But you're only focused on the officer. Well, right, because that's their job and they're there with. They should be trained better, you know. Trained better. You're right.

It's their job. It's not Alex Pretti's job. He shouldn't be there. But he's a U.S. citizen that's unhappy with what's happening with what they're doing. And if you say that- Then go to the protest line and hold up a poster. What are you doing in the middle of a law enforcement operation? That is not protesting.

That's not protesting. That's something else. And we now know it's coordinated. But one side... The question for Americans, the question for you is, is that... When did we... This has always been the case. I don't think you would do it.

I don't think you would do this stuff. So why are you saying it's okay for him to do it? It's not okay for him to do that. I'm not saying it's okay, but he shouldn't be killed for him. it. It's, he wasn't killed for it. And that's the problem. It's an, that's the, that's the thing that leads us to the description of this as an execution. I did not say that by the way. He wasn't executed. I know that. But that's what, that's the, but the, the problem is that everything you are saying leads us to one of two conclusions. He was executed or we're dealing with a bunch of untrained boobs.

No, which by the way, is not true. I believe that was, that was a mistake. it was it was a mistake but what contributed to the mistake and if you know when you have a civil case okay the the the criminal case if you want to talk about the standard

of a criminal case against this officer it will be do you think he's guilty of acting in a way that a reasonable officer would not have acted in that moment and that standard will be beyond a reasonable doubt if there was a civil case it will be preponderance of the evidence 51% okay

do you 51% think that he was wrong And then here's what they'll do. This is what they do in a civil case. They take a pie chart essentially. Well, they'll take a line item. And they will say, I want you to ascribe blame to the parties involved in this, right? And they will say, give me the percentage of the blame that you assign to the officer, to Alex Freddie. I doubt in a case they're going to, there has to be a person, but, you know, maybe to the woman.

I think in a public discussion like we're having, you put the overall environment around these officers, and I would also put the politicians as well. A signal chat? It's a percentage of a sign... Sorry, tenfoil? And the signal chat, like the whole pre-planning of everything, the whole essentially conspiracy, right.

So as we have this conversation, and as you apportioned blame, my argument to you is that the line next to the officer will not say zero, but as sure as shit will not say, say 100. Sure. And the percentage that it corresponds to the officer in this situation, I don't know. I haven't thought about it in these terms until this very moment. But as with Renee good, same thing with Renee Good. I think the bulk of it or the preponderance of it. So 40

odd percent exist with the person that put themselves in that situation, an inherently dangerous situation. You have walked into an inherently dangerous situation and acted in a provocative manner. What's going to happen? Now the one next to the officer won't say zero, but I don't know what it says. 25? 30 percent. I don't know. Go ahead. Last word. Go ahead, Dan. No, I was just going to say, I have a lot of friends who are police officers and they talk about these situations and they are hard, but they do hold accountability and they have investigations and you know that's what we do with our country and how we hold law enforcement accountable for things because it is their job and it is our lives and to say that

I mean it's tough to say that as long as you obey you won't get killed you know that sounds it's a tough thing to to hear and say did he obey well to what degree I mean did he commit a crime to be shot and killed I mean if he was arrested sure It's not that he was shot and killed for committing a crime. He was shot and killed because an officer, we'll find out if a reasonable officer, felt like his life was in danger. Right. Okay. Was the officer wrong?

Yes. But that doesn't, just because the officer was wrong doesn't make his calculation unreasonable. That's a harder thing perhaps for people to wrap their heads around. Yeah. Just because the officer's calculation was wrong does not make his calculation unreasonable. reasonable. Gun, gun, gun. Oh, God, he has a gun. Boom. Oh, my God. He shot his gun. Boom, boom, boom. Okay. The way I just described it is not the way it happened, right? Gun, gun, gun, draw my weapon. And then a gun goes off. We know Alex Prattie didn't do it. Alex Prattie didn't have his gun.

But does that officer standing there in that moment know that? Could he know that? Was he warned? Was he told I have the gun? He's been disarmed. Did any of that happen? In a, what was it? probably five-second period of time. Five-second tops, period of time. Dan, you've said there's a lot of people watching today. I don't have access to the way that we're doing this today. I don't have access to comments. I don't have access to my phone.

So if there's something you guys have. But I would love to hear if there's any comments from the audience. You can just do a quick scroll if you want, Dan. They're not fans of me. I'll tell you that right now. What are the folks saying? Well, that's all right. Listen, what did I say during the commercial break?

I got into it with Dan on our pre-call meeting. I did. I got passionate more so than I am right here right now. But I told him just now in the commercial break, I will never be mad at you for your political opinion. I want to hear it because I just don't need an echo chamber. It's just not necessary for what I believe. It's unnecessary and it sharpens exactly what it is that I think.

Okay, so beyond hatred of you, what else do they say? People are saying, you know, if he didn't interfere with law enforcement, he wouldn't be dead. I Ben Fishoff saying terrible accident, split second decision in a chaotic atmosphere. And a lot of the, really a lot of the comments were, you know, if he didn't do what he did, he wouldn't be killed. Don't go to a protest with a gun and don't get involved and don't impede on law enforcement officers and what they're doing. Okay. My main thing there is, I think that, and Pat, you put it, I am critical of what.

leadership is saying right. Christy Noam, DHS, I'm critical. Here's another thing I'm critical about. I don't want to hear, don't go to a protest with a gun. That's not true. I believe in the Second Amendment. You can go to a protest with a gun. However, don't be an idiot and then interfere with law enforcement while you're armed.

Like, it's not difficult math. It's not difficult math. And so don't turn this into a second amendment issue. Don't start talking about limitations on gun ownership and gun and... I'm not doing that, I promise. Concealed carry. No, I know, but the... I'm telling you that I can't remember who I saw as...

Both sides. Both sides. Well, the weird thing is now the left is all of a sudden pro-second amendment. I know. It's crazy. All my friends being pro-gun now is wild. Yeah. I mean, that's insane.

I mean, is there any better example than all the left is left with is being opposite of Donald Trump? It's come full circle. So, but don't take debate on that, right? Don't all of a sudden become a second amendment restrictionist. We're talking about judgment. And by the way, most people that are gun owners and gun carriers know the things that I'm saying. They don't carry them around in irresponsible situations. They recognize that they have a gun and they don't put themselves in situations where that gun would all of a sudden be something

it's a part of the equation. Almost everybody I know that is a gun owner recognizes that and puts a heightened sense of responsibility on themselves. I have a gun. I don't need to put myself into these situations. This gun doesn't need to be part of the equation. Thanks for chatting. Yeah.

I think the big news is what happened yesterday. Yeah, that's terrible. The referees got into it again during the Ram Cahawks game. Oh, my God. 10-4-Pat has already sent us the charge this morning, that the public cares more about the Seahawks than they do what's happened this weekend with Alex Brady. I don't believe that to be the case. Does Joe normal care more about the AFC and NFC championship games and what happened to Minnesota?

I don't believe that is true, but I do recognize that in that moment, yesterday, on a Sunday, the trends on Google and on X probably favored Sam Darnold over ICE. So I do acknowledge that we love our. are bread and circus, and that's not all bad. In fact, I think that's good. I think bread and circus is good. I know a lot of people on the right, like that, like it's not. No, it is good.

There still need to be places for us to come together. Absolutely. And those football games yesterday were great places to come together. No surprise, no surprise at all. Pat's here to bring in the fifth team involved in the two championship games, the zebras. I watched both games, both games. I do not see in any way today how the story is the refs. Go ahead, tinfoil.

How is the story? The story is Sam Darnold. The chiefs aren't involved. So how is it the reps? The story was almost Tariq Wooten, defensive back for the Seahawks. Freaking idiot. That's what I'm saying. The story was the snow in Denver, but the story was not the zebras.

Now, the Wooten call, Seattle was about to break this game open. They stopped the Rams. Now, they couldn't risk having another blowout like Seattle just did on the 49ers in a championship game. They called the taunting penalty. Boom. The Rams score. It's another close one. Just saying.

It did, you know, they always like. Did the Rams? Did the refs make it so that Devante Adams beat Wooten on the play right after and Stafford put a perfect pass on like a 50-yard touchdown? And I don't believe in karma, but what karma? I don't think you guys understand how tipping the scales works. You don't have to go, hey, now, Devante, you catch the ball here. This is part of the script. It's like, no, you just have to go, give them an extra chance or two, you know, here and there.

You have to. Okay. So the Seahawks up by at that point, what were they up at that point? Was it 10 or 9? 10 or 11, yeah. They were up the biggest lead of the game. They stopped the Rams on third down. It's fourth and 12.

Tariq Wooten, defensive back for the Seahawks, celebrates by going to the Rams sideline, running 25 yards down the ram's sideline, talking trash to every single one of them, including the coaches and Matt Stafford and everybody. And somewhere in that, you think New York radioed down to the refs on the field and said, flag that this game's about to get out of hand. Give the Rams another chance. You're muted there, pal. You should be able to say anything on that football field to anyone. I don't care what it is about their sister, about whatever. Like, I'm not even going to go with some of the things you could say. You recognize you've switched.

Now it's not conspiratorial. You don't like the rule. You don't like taunting us. It's both. You switch. You can be both. Oh, we're doing the kitchen sink theory of this. We're going to throw everything at it we can.

I'm just saying, you know, you get called. What is he getting called for? We don't even know what he got called for. Just talking? I think I've lost the debate because you said, you said I'm just saying. So when you say I'm just saying, then it's over. What am I going to do with that?

You're just saying. You know what I'm just saying? You know what I mean? That was, I would be irate if I were a Seahawk at Wooten. Not at the refs, not at the NFL, not at the rule. I would be irate at him. In that moment, I'm not even Seahawks fan. My blood was boiling.

Like, you can't not act like an idiot for one play and let this game be over. And then for him to get smoked by Devante Adams on the play right after. And I found myself, I thought I would root for the Rams because I like Stafford and he's a Dallas boy and all that. But it was hard not to root for the Seahawks. And I think it was for two reasons. I'm just in love with the Sam Donald story. I want him to have a full on redemption line. Real good.

Yeah. And I am into this story. I'm into it. And I want to see the Seahawks now beat the Patriots as a revenge game for the Marshawn Lynch Super Bowl. Wow. Well, they didn't hand it to Marshawn Lynch. It would be a great full circle heart. Patrick gets smacked, by the way.

Don't you think? I want them to run the ball and they get stopped if that's the case because I think that'd be hilarious. That'd be real irony. But I do think the Seahawks are going to smoke the heck out of the Patriots. It's not going to be close. How do you throw 89 yards? Unless New York calls down. Conference championship game.

Crazy. Well, but the problem there is we're all going to judge the Patriots based on that game yesterday. And that weather was insane. I mean, it's, it's, that weather's insane, man. I mean, don't be surprised if Drake May comes out. There was no weather the first half of the game. In the Super Bowl. I was telling Dan, it's actually very reminiscent of early Brady.

I keep saying. There's some games where he would. only throw for like 110 yards, 150 yards. I keep saying the Patriots are going to get exposed. I've been saying it all season, but now they're in the Super Bowl. So like, when does my argument stop? Do they have to lose the Super Bowl? And it's hard to buy, it's hard to buy in on the Seahawks as this dominant team.

I know. Because, because what was, I know that the Patriots last year won four games. What did the Seahawks win last year? They were pretty good with Gino Smith. They made the playoffs, right? But they were like a wildcard round loser. Is that what they were last year? Yeah, they were 10 and 7.

Okay. You have this vision of the Seahawks for the past, what's it been a decade, of sort of that 9 and 8, 10 and 7 level of team. Like, not great, not bad. And now all of a sudden it's hard for us to take with Sam Darnold as their guy, the premise that they're actually great and their defense is great and Sam Tarant

so is the Patriots by the way it's just kind of hard to accept that these are the two best teams but the Rams made more sense like if you're like the Rams that's a top team that's Puka Nakua that's Devante Adams

that's Matt Stafford I can accept it's a beautiful team yeah but they got handled, man. The Seahawks are great. They're just...

And here's... So, here's the other storyline. Both the coaches here, one-year turnarounds. Vrable and Mike McDonald, man, if you've hired a coach like the Cowboys in the past year or anybody else, or you're about to hire a coach,

one of the, what is it, 10 teams that fired their coaches this year, these dudes just ruined it for you. Like, they've ruined it. You better, you better, turn it around quick because Vrable and McDonald did. I'll be pulling for Sam Darnold and the Seahawks.

For revenge, for karma, which I don't believe in from back then, for Sam Darnold, for redemption, and to keep the Patriots from running too far away from the Cowboys. So that's my rooting interest in the Super Bowl.

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