Will Cain Country - Immigration DEBATE: Should Illegals Be Allowed to Stay? (ft. Rep. Maria Salazar & Dave Rubin)

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

Story 1: Should we show more leniency to illegal immigrants without a criminal record? That is the main question behind Congresswoman Maria Salazar’s (R-FL) recently introduced Dignity Act, a bill which would offer illegal immigrants a path to remain in the country and obtain work authorization, without the caveat of giving them citizenship or benefits. Rep. Salazar and Will debate the pros and cons of her bill, from the economic cost of deportations to what her bill would look like if put into effect.Story 2: Will checks in with the Willitia to gauge the response to the debate and what they thought of Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy’s request that Americans should stop wearing pajamas to their flights.Story 3: Host of ‘The Rubin Report,’ Dave Rubin reacts to a transgender woman winning first place in a "World's Strongest Woman" competition, before taking a deeper look at how so called ‘gender-affirming care’ has caused irreversible consequences for those who were encouraged to transition from a young age. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, debate on immigration with Congresswoman Maria Salazar. Two, the world's strongest woman is a man. Three, AOC runs for president and the AOC of Tennessee. Take Center Stage with Dave Rubin. It is Wilcane Country on a Tuesday. Happy Travel Day. Happy Thanksgiving. Thanks for joining us here on the Wilcane Country YouTube channel and at Wilcane on Facebook.

We've got a big show for you today, including Dave Rubin, the world's strongest woman is now a man. South Park, real life. The second place walks off the stage calling bullshit. But we have the treat today of getting into a conversation, perhaps a debate, about the future of immigration in America. Congresswoman Maria Salazar has introduced the Dignity Act, and she has a new book out entitled Dignity, not Citizenship. She and a bipartisan group of legislators look to deal with the existing illegal immigration population in the United States in a way other than deportation. We're going to get into that now with Congresswoman Maria Salazar and story number one.

She represents Florida's 27th Congressional District and her new book is Dignity, not Citizenship. But the truth about immigration, no one is telling you. It is Congresswoman Maria Salazar. Good morning, Congresswoman. Wonderful to be with you. You're one of the big boys in the podcast world, so I am delighted to be talking to you about this very important topic. Well, I'm delighted to be talking to you as well. I appreciate that compliment.

I appreciate you taking on a very difficult issue. We'll find out if we have agreement or disagreement through the course of this conversation. So I appreciate your willingness to do that. And you have introduced the dignity. Act this past summer. It has been through several iterations. It does have bipartisan support. And I think the best place for us to start is for you to lay out for us the five overarching elements of the Dignity Act. All right. And you know that immigration has been a problem for the last 40 years. Last guy who signed an immigration reform was Ronald Reagan before the

internet exists. Number one. Number two, immigration is a three, we have a three problems with immigration. Immigration is not only politics, is national security, is the economy, and is an ideology. Number three, we do not have enough manpower, ICE, or the different forces to deport everyone who is illegal in this country, who does not have a criminal record and who's helping the economy. So what do I propose? Let's bring those people out of the shadows, those who have been here for more than five years. I'm not talking about those who came in under the Biden caravans. more than five years. Do not, do not have a criminal record, have been helping the economy, paying taxes, have American children. So bring them out of the shadows and give them the dignity

status. That's a biblical term. We're a Judeo-Christian country. Make them pay for their crimes. Make them pay $7,000 in retribution and levy 1% of their salary for the next seven years. No voting rights, of course. No federal programs. Medicare. Medicare. Social Security, and then let's just come out of the shadows, go home for Christmas, bury their mom, come back by homes, cars, pay taxes, hold a job and to be paid at the market price. E-Verify needs to be mandatory, not voluntary, because right now is voluntary and is a big hypocrisy. So, and this is a one-shot deal program, if you have been here in the country now, not in the future, if you've been here in the country for more than five years, do not have a criminal record, come out of the shadows now that the border is secured and that will then this is solomonic it's in the middle no citizenship no amnesty no path to citizenship which is no amnesty listen let them pay for their

crimes let them stay contribute the economy and never become an american citizen if you can think of something else better or any other legislator i am more than welcome to incorporate it into this legislation. Let's put some flesh on the bones of what you've just described so that everybody watching and listening fully understands the main bullet points of the Dignity Act. I think that the two most important to focus on are bullet points number one and number two. Securing the border and restoring law and order is bullet point number one. The expansion from what Donald Trump has already done in securing the American southern

border is what appears to me a nationwide 100% expansion of E-Verify so that every company working in America has to ensure they are employing either an American citizen or somebody with legal permanent residence or this proposed dignity status that you offer. No, no, no, no, no, because that's what you think it happens. I'm sorry. It does not happen. That does not happen. That's the theory, but not the practice.

because right now it's voluntary. So the guy, the e-verify. So right now, the guy who owns the fields in Nebraska, he can definitely finagle the e-verify. He knows that he hires a subcontractor of a subcontractor and is voluntary. It's not mandatory. So with the dignity program,

then you cannot hire an illegal because there will be no illegals because everyone will have come out of the shadows and then ICE will concentrate on looking for the illegals who have criminal records, the Trenneragua, the MS-13, the gang members, the rapists, and the murderers, which is what's not happening right now. Right now, everyone, ISIS is rounding up everybody. So E-Verify is the concern for you. It is a concern for me, and I think that we should be making E-Verify mandatory. But you know what? Our colleague in the GOP

will never vote for E-Verify mandatory, because then, you know, the big donors and the big owners of construction, hot, Italian, agricultural will say, no, you cannot make e-verify, mandatory. So you see, it's all a loop that I'm trying to break. Yeah, I don't think we have a source of disagreement yet, nor do I think I misstated what you've proposed here. I think that you have proposed mandatory 100% e-verify. That is an expansion upon the current status of the southern border securitization and restoring law and order. Then number two, fixing our asylum system. Let's take a minute and talk about asylum.

asylum, of course, is the big loophole that was exploited by the Biden administration. I'm not sure how many, perhaps you know the numbers. Look, the asylum system has been gained for the last 30 years. And I agree with you because that is the easy way to come in and then disappear into the country. I claim asylum. I disappear for nine years because the court system is so backlogged. So in the dignity, which I didn't, I'm sorry, I did not. I explain that. I end catch and release. And what does that mean? Oh, you really want to come in into the country and you're asking for asylum? We're going to invite you into something called the humanitarian campuses. You and your family and no one will say that we are cruel or they're bad. We're going to put you in that humanitarian campus. You're not going to go into the country. And for 60 days, we're going to give you the opportunity to prove to a judge or to an administrative agent that you do merit to receive asylum in the United States. And if you do not, you have to

go back home in 61 days and catch and what needs to happen congresswoman to make asylum status vetting sped up you're right the problem that has been for a long time you can disappear into america while claiming asylum maybe maybe not show up for your court date explain to me how we can ensure that does not happen that they do not disappear into america but also and i know what your answer will be, and I want to hear more about, quote-unquote, humanitarian campuses. But also, how do you speed it up to within 60 days? I've always been told, we don't have enough judges. We don't have the ability to speed up asylum claims. Sure, we do. We have the budget right there. We have in the BBB, big beautiful bill that we voted for. You have $150 billion to secure the border

and to make sure that the whole immigration system works. So you take some money out of that, and then you hire more judges and administrative agents, people that do. know and understand immigration laws in this country. We're very benevolent. If you do really have an asylum case that it's really substantial, we will give you asylum. But you cannot be gaming the system. So that's the way. So you stop the catch and release now with my legislation. And then those who are in the country already and they have been waiting for seven, nine years, you go look for them, you hire more judges and you just adjudicate those cases. And you determine if they have married or not. But you stop the flow. That's what we need to do because

let me just say something to you. That is very important. Probably the most important thing I'm going to say in this interview. President Trump passed BBB with his signature. This, the border security needs to be codified in law. And the only people who can do that is the United States Congress. If we do not pass a legislation like this one, which has as potified border security, make that border tight so no one else can come in. Then four years from now, if we are not in the White House, the next guy could rescind, which is that verb that everyone should know and learn, which means that the previous president assigned money to that, but the future president says, no, no, no, we're not going to be

spending that money on that. And then that border, it's opened again. And happens what happened with Biden in those four years, that was miserable what happened. And it did the biggest disservice to the Hispanic community, the largest minority in the country, the fastest growing minority in the country that should be voting GOP. And that is one of the reasons why I am a proud Republican, proud member of the Cuban American exile community. I'm the daughter of political refugees. I'm first generation American. Only in this country, we can get to where we are. That's why we've got to preserve the American way of life. And the only people who are going to do that, Congresswoman, I understand. I understand you're suggesting that the, the, securing the southern

border is something that needs to be moved from executive order into legislation, codified into law. Otherwise, we'll be, will be vulnerable to the next president, should that president be a Democrat. But isn't border security already codified into law? Wasn't it the Biden administration ignored the law in securing the border over his four years of presidency? But not with amount of money that we have allotted under the BBB in order to really improve technology, the drones, the infrared cameras, more Border Patrol, more vehicles, like more of everything. So there is not only the willingness, but also the money in order to beef up all this and all the technology. There is news technology coming out all the time that helps the Border Patrol do

their job better. And that's it's all political willingness. But if we can codify that that that is appealing to me. That is appealing to me. My problem with that part of your argument, Congressman is that I think it is a little bit, I'm just being honest with you. I think it is a little bit of a sales pitch for the rest of the bill, which may or may not stand on its own. I'm not actually debating what not the rest of the bill yet with you stands on its own. But the idea that we need to pass this bill in order to secure the border to me flies in the face. little bit of history. The executive branch can choose whether or not to. Hold on real quick. Hold on. No, no, no. Hold on. You can correct me in just one second. The executive branch chooses

what to enforce from the legislative branch. You've passed the laws. We have the laws that require the southern border to be secured. The problem is we had a president who ignored what you had already passed. And I'm not sure passing something more, even more money will compel a Democrat president to secure the border. And I think you do have a point, but then you make the laws so tough and you create the penalties for breaking, for coming back after you have been deported. You make everything so harsher, stronger, more powerful than the next president will be a lot harder for the next president, even if it has a different motive to break those laws. That's what I'm saying. I understand what you're saying that.

It's all political willingness. And we don't want to leave us. And we don't want to leave us. We're going to get to some more of the unique substance of the dignity act. All I'm pushing back on there is whether or not border security being codified into law is the sort of, we need to be careful about whether or not that's the sales pitch or the Trojan horse for the rest of your bill, which, by the way, I'm telling you maybe the rest of your bill stands on its own. And that's what we're here to debate. I want to go back to the asylum stuff for a moment. So, okay, the money's in.

the big beautiful bill to expedite asylum claims, you say. We can hire the judges. We can get it done 60 days. Tell me about the humanitarian campuses you propose where illegal immigrants are housed and live while they await their asylum claims. This is interesting to me. It is much more interesting than letting them disappear into the American, you know, inner lands and hoping they show up for a court date. So tell me about these humanitarian campuses. Because Our laws say that if you have claim, a legitimate claim for asylum, you can come to the United States border and ask for it. I mean, Congress would need to then repeal those laws. So what I'm doing is, okay, you think that you do have a legitimate asylum claim, then come, but do not disappear into the country.

We're going to harbor. We're going to, we're going to give you room and board for 60 days. And we're going to expedite this process. It's not going to be nine years. It's going to be 60 years. And that is the way that we're going to be able to continue being who we are, the beacon of hope, the freedom house in the Western Hemisphere. But at the same time, we're going to stop people from gaming the system.

So it's like you can fulfill both roles. Let's continue this debate with Congresswoman Maria Salazar, the author of the Dignity Act on Will Kane Country. This is Ainsley Earhart. Thank you for joining me for the 52 episode podcast series, The Life of Jesus. A listening experience that will provide hope, comfort, and understanding of the greatest story ever told. Listen and follow starting November 30th on Fox News Podcasts.com. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with Congresswoman Maria Salazar, who's the author of the Dignity Act, having a bit of a debate.

What percentage would you guess, Congresswoman, of illegal immigration, actually has legitimate asylum claims? 20 percent 20 no more than that 20 15 20 I would say that the overwhelming majority of the people in the last 20 to 25 years has come into the country blaming policy a political asylum because it's the only way to come in that's why we need to fix the whole you understand that the whole immigration system in the United States is our cake and all I'm saying is that this law solves an media problem, which is that we keep the hands that we need in construction, hospitality, agricultural, dairy, slaughterhouses, all those labor-intensive economies that are 20, 25% of the GDP of this country. We keep those hands because it has been proven that other Americans have other choices and go to other industries. And at the same time, we can keep the economy growing. We can then level the playing field, those Americans who feel that they have lost their jobs to an illegal and creating a pot of money.

money out of those two, the fines and the levies on their salaries. I'm creating a pot of money. So if any American feels that he has been displaced, he can learn how to do something else. You don't have to pick up the jalapenos or be in the floater houses. So it covers everybody. But this is what I'm doing is common sense. Okay. Here, so I know what you're describing right there. You're talking about that the penalties and taxes. is paid by, I don't know if we have a noun for the person we're describing here, but somebody who qualifies under the Dignity Act, the dignifiers. I don't know what we're going to call this group of people.

Let's call them the historical eagles who've been here with no criminal record, no criminal record. That's number one, number two, number three. You're saying they'll pay $1,000 for seven years, so $7,000. That money you're suggesting will go into a pot to help retrain American workers away from jobs that they don't want to do that illegal immigrants will do. Now, here's here's the nuts and bolts of it. So what you say in this bill is if you've been in this country, correct me as I get the numbers wrong, if I get them wrong, but basically over five years, prior to the Biden administration, essentially, if you've been in the country over five years, then you can

qualify for this status, as you say, come out of the shadows. This status. This status, under the Dignity Act would allow them, and this is where we'll flesh it out together. It would allow them to work, to pay taxes, to pay these penalties that you describe. They do not become citizens.

They do not vote. They do not get to participate in the benefit system, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security. They don't get to participate in any of that. What else? They have to buy their own health insurance.

And they have to come out of the shadows within six to eight months. And this is a one-shot deal program. You've got to be in the country. What happens if you violate any of those things? Like what if you don't buy health insurance? What happens to you? Then you lose yourself. You lose the thing.

You've got, of course. And if you're deported, you do not come back. And if you are trying to come in. And then there's the fine. I'm also, I've made, and I was the. author of making the penalties, if you re-entry after you've been deported, you're going to pay dear. If you're a child sex trafficker, you're going to spend the rest of your days in jail. So I'm the author of this bill, and I made it really hard and really, really harsh for these people

if they are involved in any of those activities, because all I'm trying to do is to protect those illegals whose only crime is to have who have to have um cross the border illegally and protect which is a crime which is a crisis civil offense according to our laws but it also and then here we're going to get into the weeds if those people stayed here for 20 years someone gave them a job which was also a crime so then we start spiraling into okay so if you have been in Nebraska well by the way we should also say like because this was in the new York Times. They also committed other crimes most likely along the way, whether or not that's identity theft, a social security number, whatever may be. The infamous New York Times article

just in the last couple of days about the two men who were victimized about the illegal immigrant. But they did. But don't you think, so real quick, on the numbers, what do you think that is? So that class of people we just described, I've seen anywhere from 10 to 14 million illegal immigrants would qualify under this dignity classification you put together here. Listen, I will be responsible in telling you a number. Is that right? I think it's 10 plus, but no one really knows. And that is, and now that's national security, which I'm glad that you're giving me the opportunity to say this, national security.

We need to know who your neighbor is. We need to know who's Pepe and Rosa. And the thing is that every community in this country, I mean, we're good people. We're Judeo-Christian. You know, everyone knows a guy who has the cafeteria when you go to the local diner and you see Lola's cleaning the toilets. You know, you say, hey, I like Lola. Those are the people that I'm talking about. And I'm not saying protective.

I know, I know. You know, and I'm sure you do know them. So what about the other crimes? Of course. I live in Texas. Of course. I live in Texas. But that's the thing, Congresswoman,

this whole thing is a balance between personal empathy and public law and order. Like, like empathy cannot guide us into a place where our laws no longer have meaning. because if we get into that place, then we don't get to pick and choose which laws have meaning. We just don't get to. It's like a Pandora's box. So as much as my heart sings, and it does. And I know personal stories, just like you described. Of course I do.

Again, I live in Texas. I don't think you have to live in Texas anymore to have that personal story. But the question is when we apply our laws. Now, back to that group of people. And I love that you said we don't know because I think these numbers are probably low. They're probably low. Whatever numbers we get officially on illegal immigration, it always seems to be low. but that that group of people and let's say they've lived in the country as you described 20 years maybe maybe seven years maybe 10 years that if they've been here that long they have a job they are working and in order to have a job isn't it isn't it pretty intuitive they have broken other laws we're choosing to forgive as well like identity theft okay let me give you an example so if you have this lady that you know in a diner in Texas that she may be working under someone else who is

is the one providing the employers to the owner of the diner. So that lady is being paid in cash, let's say. So who is really the one who broke the law? The guy who is subcontracting her to provide that type of labor to the owner of the diner. So in reality, but yes, that's what I'm saying. And where are we gonna start? The problem is that we as Americans need to understand

that we do not have the manpower to remove all these people. And if even if we were, if we would have the manpower, the whole that we would do to the American economy would be so big right now, national association of manufacturers, 400,000 jobs that they need to fill that they don't have hands for. One point seven million jobs. I have all the stats here. Right now, I hear from leadership in the GOP, even in the White House, that the calls are, oh my God, I need people, I need people. When you need people your economy doesn't grow so it's very simple i'm doing this for three reasons national security we got to know who your neighbor is number two the economy is the economy and number three we've got to

bring a new pool of voters do we want to continue winning elections we need what do you what do you mean by that i thought i thought they weren't going to have citizenship status they weren't going to get to vote no no i'm talking about i'm going to tell you i'm going to tell you 60 million Hispanics who do have the voting card largest minority in the country the first fastest grow. Those people, I belong to, and I'm one of the leaders of the Hispanics in this country, we voted for President Trump. Fifty-five percent of Hispanic males for the first time in history left the Democratic Party, came over to the GOP. Unfortunately, what's happening right now, that ICE is picking up those who do have a criminal record and those who do not have

criminal record. They have been sending a message that is not pleasant to the Hispanic minority. And according to all the polls, we have lost those gains that we had. Can I? Let me play devil's advocate on that for a second. Please do. I hear you. I'm not telling you wrong. Let me play devil's advocate on that. So President Trump, as you pointed out, did incredibly well with Latino voters in 2024. He didn't hide the ball on what his plans were. He ran on everything that he's doing right now. He was up front. So those voters chose this. I'm going to tell you. He said that he was going to do the biggest mass deportation in history. He said he was going to kick out the bad embrace. That's his phrase,

the bad own brace, Trentoragua, MS-13, the illegals who had criminal records. There is a quota right now because the White House has guided ICE and Homeland Security to have a quota of 3,000 illegals every day. Information is that the bad hombres, the illegal ones, the Trent Duragua, they know when ICE is coming, right? And ice doesn't sometimes, when they go into a raid, they cannot pick up the really bad ones. And what are they doing? They're just picking up the rest. And that is a problem. And I'm not saying that ice. I was curious. I'm fascinated in this. By the way, I've done this on the Will Cain show on the Fox News channel and on this show as well. I'm fascinated by what you're talking about. I think the bad Ombray's conversation is the sales pitch.

It's the out there. And everybody agrees on it. That's the thing. I think it has almost. to 100% approval rating. The left talking about American citizens being deported is also, that's a, that's off the table. That's not what's happening. It's the mass group in the middle. It is, as you point out, you want to address. Listen, it is happening. American citizens deported? American citizens supported? I'm not talking about American citizens. I'm talking about people who have been here for more than 15 years who do not have a criminal record. Yeah, yeah. That's the one I want to talk about. Yeah, that's the one. They're illegals, they're illegals, but they're contributing to the economy.

disagreeing. We're not disagreeing. That's the conversation that has to be had, and you are having that conversation right here. And I think the question for the American people is, do you want that vast group of people deported? It is on our book. So the easy answer is yes, Congresswoman, because it's a law on our books democratically voted upon, and immigration enforcement is a popularly elected thing. Now, we can change that law, and that's what you propose for a certain class of people. But right now, polling this, polling that, we know it's a law in the books, which reflects the democratic will of the people. Now, I'm interested, just like you and where the American people are to do.

What is the law in the book that you're telling me? Okay, maybe I'm confused here. You're telling me that the president ran on the largest mass deportation in the history. Yeah, that we should deport illegal immigrants. That's the law. That's the law. We should deport illegal immigrants, period. Not which ones that we should deport illegal immigrants.

Correct. That's the law. The president isn't breaking the law right now. It's correct. No, no, no. absolutely correct. That's why legislators, Congress, can modify the laws, can change the laws, or do what I'm doing right now. Okay, listen, the law right now is. That's right. And so now we're having a conversation in debate about should, should. That's what you and I are having a conversation about. But right now, and then should in part is informed by what the American people want. And I'm just suggesting that the law in the books reflects as much value as a poll on what the American people want. Do we want illegal immigrants who have not broken the law, in other ways, as you point out, who are not the bad hombres, deported. And you're giving us an

alternative. We don't know exactly how many millions. You also, by the way, offer a path, immediate path, I believe, to Dreamers, right? Which is about another two to three million people. And I did that because the GOP, the GOP agrees with it. And I, and I know that there is absolute and broad consensus that those who were kids, when they were 18 months old or three years old, even the president offered that to Nancy Pelosi who she says that she was so concerned about those poor kids.

She had the opportunity to give them the past citizenship. She did not take it up. So that's why I'm saying that the president, now going back to President Trump, yes. Trump is the only guy who can do this. I want to hit two things with you. And I'm watching the clock

on how much time we have together. One, on the political will thing, the thing about creating a new class of Republican voters, You brought up the last time this was done was Ronald Reagan in the 1980s, right? And people talk about Ronald Reagan's amnesty. That did not turn Latino voters into Republicans. In fact, it took until President Trump. George W. Bush had a little bit of success.

President Trump had a lot of success with Latino voters. But the point that you're making that one of the benefits of your bill is to help give this path to Latinos to be Republican voters, it didn't play out that way. way in the 80s? That was in 1986 and there was a bump, but we're talking about only 3 million Mexicans who had the privilege. And just to give you an example of what happened back then, and I'm going to answer your question, when Reagan gave path to citizenship to 3 million illegal, 70% of them did not take up path to citizenship, which proves to you that those people do not necessarily, that illegals do not necessarily want to be Americans. That's a very important figure to remember.

Now, you're telling me that it was not translated. I'm going to tell you what, because the GOP has done a dismal job, and I am a proud Republican, in trying to talk to other minorities. But Trump, for the first time, he went to Univision, he spoke in Spanish and said, hey, guys, do I have nothing to lose, vote for me, which is the same thing he said to the African Americans. But Hispanics, we have the same values that are entrenched in the Republican party. God-fearing, law-abiding, taxpayer, family-oriented, small government. Those voters are

ours. So what we need to do is just welcome them, which is what Trump did. And that's why 55, more than half, one in two Latinos voted for Trump, I would like to keep that same score. Right. And I'm talking about those Latino. Wait, I'm talking about, I'm not talking about the guy who's going to get deported, the guy who's illegal. I'm talking about the surrounding, the cousin. friend, the neighbor. You know, you're in Texas. The citizen. How many Hispanics have 54% of registered voters in Texas are Hispanic in your state? 54 registered voters. Yeah, but that's, but that's because of illegal immigration. I mean, to be, to be honest, that is a product of illegal immigration. That is a product of change,

I have seen Texas change drastically. I have seen Texas change drastically in my lifetime. You know, that's just an observational fact. It's just an observational fact. And I agree with you. I'm agreeing. So I'm trying to sort somehow stop that, be able to welcome them into the Republican Party, give them dignity to those who are illegal, not who those have a path to citizenship, and be able to settle the score, seal the border, and then keep the American way of life.

Because unfortunately, the Democratic Party, and I was, and I introduced a resolution, on Friday denouncing socialism, and 50% of the Democrats on the floor of the United States Congress voted in favor of socialism. What does that tell you? Okay, let me ask you two things really quickly. You brought up the illegal immigrants wouldn't get Medicare or Medicaid. They wouldn't get to participate in the social welfare benefits. What about school, Congresswoman? The 19-something 80s Supreme Court decision, I know for a fact that schools are overburdened. I know they have to have all. types of translators on staff to talk with parents.

I know that schools have a real problem. So would you extend, I don't see it in the bill. I read the bill, right? I don't see anything in there about school and illegal immigration. If they are American citizens, you cannot deny until we change the laws. If they are American citizens, because more overwhelming- I'm talking about a overwhelming majority of those children are American citizens. and the overwhelming majority of the children who came in

or who are here in the schools came in through the Biden, through the four years of Biden, through the caravans. Also, this bill can be reformed and it can be changed while it goes through committee, and the committee of jurisdiction is the judiciary committee. So I go back to President Trump. He could be for immigration, what Lincoln was for slavery. He could fix the problem.

Hey, he's not perfect. But let's do something. We've got to do something. And this is the guy who has the will. Tell me. You said, you made a realist argument. You said, I'm proposing something that is a real alternative, whereas deportation as an alternative is not feasible.

You said, we do not have enough. We do not have enough ice. We do not have enough border patrol. We do not have the capability to make deportation and actual alternative. We need them on the fields. The economy needs them. for you. If we did, okay, so then that may answer my question. If we did have the manpower to deport, would that be an acceptable alternative to the Dignity Act?

Listen, I think that if we were to have, what you're saying, we would have millions of agents and find every single legal in this country and kick them out. I think the economic effect would be so overwhelmingly against our economy, that the president, that it will be impossible. I mean, the Secretary of the Treasury, and the whole economy could collapse. And we don't want that. Think about it.

I'm talking about it. Be reasonable. Not because necessarily I love them, but we need them. And if they're here, integrate them, make them pay for their crime, make them be able to consume, and stop the flow and seal the border.

That's basically, but what you're saying, it will be an economic catastrophe of biblical proportions. Okay. So first, Congressman, I went five minutes over. I went five minutes over the lot of time. By the way, I didn't know if we'd go the full 30. I prepared to talk to you about Venezuela as well, because I didn't know if we'd go the full 30 on this.

But I just want to say I appreciate the time that you've given and your willingness to engage in a back and forth on this. I think there's a lot more to talk about, believe it or not, even after 30 minutes. But I appreciate your willingness to do this. And I hope we can continue to talk. Yes, sir. And thank you very much for the opportunity. Happy Thanksgiving.

Okay. Happy Thanksgiving to you as well. The book is Dignity, not Citizenship. The truth about immigration, no one is telling you Maria E. Salazar, Republican representative from Florida. Let's talk about that. I had a few more points because I mentioned, you know, we had 30 minutes ago. She gave me no indication that she needed to go, but I still want to be respectful of the allotted time. I have some more thoughts. I want to share those with you. I want to get your feedback as well before we welcome in Dave Rubin to talk about the strongest woman in the world is a man coming up on Wilcane Country. I've been telling you about Buffalo Jackson. It's one of my absolute favorite brands. Now, if you've listened to me for a while or you've seen me on social media, you already know how much I love their gear. They make rugged, timeless leather goods and clothing for men who like to live with a little grit in their story. That all started out of

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Stop flying in pajamas and slippers. That, by the way, has ignited a debate here on Wilcane Country. Should you dress in a suit like the 1950s? Should you dress like you're walking out of your bedroom? One thing I'll say is I side more with Duffy, two at a day's tinfoil pat. I side more with get out of your colorful pajama bottoms, get out of your slippers, dress like an adult on the airplane. I don't think that means you need to put a suit and tie on, but we have really let our standards go. Really?

I did a poll question. I've been polling the audience. So I said, do you think it's okay to wear pajamas and slippers to the airport? First answer, absolutely comfort first, no way, have some self-respect, depends on the flight length, and only on red eye. So 12% say absolutely go with comfort first. 5% say depends on flight length, and 5% say only on red eye. 78% no way have some self-respect. That's it right there. That's a good hope for America. That is a sign of optimism, a ray of light. That's right. Step it up, America, on your flight. Listen to Secretary of Transportation, Sean Duffy. By the way, in the Willisha, there is a debate following our debate with Congresswoman Maria Salazar. Carmela Canale 990 says, if the pay is good,

Americans will take those jobs. Let's talk about pay for just one moment. I hear this consistently. I hear the types of jobs that immigrants and illegal immigrants are taking are the types that won't be done by Americans, whether or not that's working in chicken factories or as landscapers or as house cleaners. The thing about that is, if the pay is good, Americans will take those jobs. I agree. For many of those, sectors, the pay is not good enough for Americans. And I think this is not an either or, but this is actually a, this is where you have to find a middle ground. But see, we do also have programs. We have Senator John Kennedy on the program, and he said, you know, you have temporary visas for seasonal workers in a lot of these jobs, from farms to shelling crawfish in Louisiana. So we have those programs. The question is for the permanent jobs, the year-round jobs, is there a class of

jobs that Americans simply will not do that we have a labor shortage on? You heard the congresswoman, she believes it would be a total economic collapse if we deported all illegal immigrants. Little Shoes for You says they all need to go and fight for their countries. Over on Facebook, Scott Norton says, worthless, we already are making it work right now. While Alan DeFalise says, yes, Congress needs to step up and pass bills on this. Christy Clerk says, I would like to see the immigrants with no criminal record be given a chance to become legal if they are proven to be hardworking. Now, here's the issue. You know, I had this conversation interesting, guys, with my mom recently, you know, my mom, who doesn't necessarily share all of my politics.

It was like, what do you do about people that have been here 10 years? And so I started pushing her. What about five years? What about, you know, three years? And it's a guessing game at that point, right? Like, what is the year that sits right with you and your empathy? And the problem is, no matter how long one has been here, if they broke the law, they are here illegally. And I do believe what I said to the congresswoman, I don't know how we begin to pick and choose which laws we choose to enforce.

And along with illegal immigration, there is most certainly other laws who have. that have been broken, whether or not that's identity theft. And by the way, she brought up the employer. Fine. Punish the employer as well. I think employers should be punished for hiring illegal immigrants. And then you get to the mass cultural issues. I had this conversation recently in a small town in Texas where a school superintendent told me that in their school, East Texas,

they had to be prepared to translate 26 languages, 26 languages among the students in that school. That's an insane drain on resources, logistical hurdle, and problem for some small school district to have to deal with. So when we see American test scores, American education indicted, yes, there is a problem with American education. But as Stephen Miller's point out, how much of those test scores are being drugged down by illegal immigrants in, or the children of illegal immigrants, in the school system, requiring ESL, requiring extra attention, diverting resources, diverting attention. And then there are the cultural issues. And you're seeing a backlash worldwide right now. I want you to take a look at this. This is Denmark offers lessons as Europe toughens up on immigration.

Forever. The Scandinavian countries, Denmark, Norway, Sweden have been the highest in the quote-unquote happiness index, how much they like their day of life. Well, there's clearly a problem in Denmark. The subhead at the New York Times says, like other European leaders, British labor politicians are borrowing from Denmark's restrictive asylum policy. One of its architects cautions that balance is necessary. Another headline, UK, to announce plans to emulate stringent Danish immigration system. So these countries, they've been very permissive, clearly something wrong with their way of life, their culture, the way this is being integrated, and they're going the other way.

Now, is a big path for some, I'm going to guess this number of something. like 20 to 25 million people to have permanent status in America, to be 100% clear. The Congresswoman, as part of her Digny Act, is not offering American citizenship. She is not offering the ability to work. She is not offering the ability to use the social welfare system from Medicaid, I don't know about education, to Social Security, but permanent status in this country working, paying taxes. And it's a little bit, I don't know.

there's an element of it is realism I want to give her that credit there's also an element of throwing your hands up and saying well we can't solve this according to the law so we have to change the law and I think if we do that you also have to think about the cultural implications the educational implications and the job market implications for Americans you can keep your comments coming in I want to hear from you on this as well and whether or not it's time to step it up when we get on planes but let's take a quick break when we come back we've got Dave Rubin on the show let's talk about one of the famous stories of the last 10 years was a young man boy roughly eight years old transitioning into a female he was featured on the cover of national geographic he met with joe Biden today that young man is sterile asexual has no attraction and the best illustration of an absolutely inhumane abuse policy embraced uniquely by the way here in america coming up on will cane country World Strongest Man is a Dude. It is Will Kane Country.

You can always join us by subscribing and following us on Spotify or Apple. We're joined now by the host of The Rubin Report, Dave Rubin, who I'm sure, I'm sure, dresses up on an airplane. If not a suit and tie, not pajama buttons. Well, first of, Will, I thought you were introducing me as the World Strongest. man, which, you know, I've been lifting a little bit more lately, eating right, doing what I can. I'm not totally sure I qualify as that. But yes, I do believe in you get on a plane. Do not wear crocs. What is wrong with you people? Nobody wants that. There is literally nothing worse than when you are sitting in your seat, minding your own business. I'm usually watching the office,

which for some reason they always have season four of, and then somebody next to me takes their crocs off. It should be illegal. And, you know, I'm not for that much. government involvement in things but there should be some law passed well i think crocs are actually step up from what many people are doing i i see the pajama bottoms a lot you know the flannel yeah it's a lot you know bright colored and then the the house slipper i'm seeing the house slipper a lot you know where there's barely any soul and it's just got like a furry top covering the toes i see that a lot dave man we are we are not making enough money why are we not flying private well What's going on here?

Oh, God, that's terrible. That's terrible. So the answer is separate yourself from the masses state. It's the only way. There's nothing we can do to help these. No, it really, you know, it's funny. If you look at, you know, the pictures, as I'm sure you've seen from, you know, 30, 40 years ago, what people used to dress up like to get on a flight.

And they'd quite literally, the men would be in suits and the women would be in a nice outfit and the kids would be dressed up properly. There was something exciting about it. And it's partly a function of success as nothing. is sort of that exciting anymore. It's not that exciting to get on a domestic flight anymore. It sort of degrades everything. And then I think there's also a personal responsibility element

of it. But I do try to dress the part, and I appreciate when people do. I mean, when you see someone get on a plane in a suit and you see them take off the jacket and hand it to the flight attendant so she can put it on the hanger over there, it's like there's somebody that cares, that cares, and we need more people that care actually.

Because if you start caring about yourself, then you might start caring about yourself, then you might start caring about the country. Instead, everyone's just yelling about stuff and not really caring about themselves. That's the leftist ethos. And those dudes in the 1960s that had their suit on just chain smoked the whole time,

ashen their cigarette into the armrest. Are you probably too young? Do you remember the ashtray in the armrest of the airplane thing? You know, you'd pop the ash tray. When you were a kid, you'd play with it, and your mom'd be like, quit playing with that. But dudes would just ash right there into the armrest.

You know, it's funny. I can't quite, we're about the same age, but I can't quite remember it on a plane, but I do remember the old days of when they had the cigarette lighter in the car, you know, under the cassette player, and it was just that little nub, and I remember we would jam our fingers into it

and just burn our fingers, and my mom was not happy about that. That's what we did back then. It was before the internet, you know? The world's strongest man, or strongest woman is a man. Here's Pierce Morgan. Many congratulations to Jamie Booker, who won the world's strongest woman competition in Arlington, Texas.

The fact, Jamie is a biological male with a massive physical advantage over the actual women competing shouldn't detract from a well-earned victory. Pierce is being sarcastic, by the way, if anyone can't pick up on that sarcasm. And it literally is South Park come to life. This was the screen grab from South Park back in the day where the South Park meme has officially and accurately been recreated, just brilliant. Yeah, I mean, look, Randy, my... macho man savage, this is a guy, he used to kick the crap out of Hulk Hogan all the time, and there he is pretending that he's a woman.

Look, we've all just, we're all just past this. I listened to your intro earlier on the show, and it's like everyone's just over this, enough. We are going to look back, and as my friend Jordan Peterson says, these doctors that perform these surgeries will be looked back on as butchers. There was a mass mental health crisis, there was a social contagion element to it,

particularly as it pertains to young girls, And it was disastrous. And by the way, I think we've talked about this once or twice, well, but you know, the whole idea of the LGBT community, you know, the T's are the ones who are actually radically against the L's and the G's and the B's, because usually what they're doing is going after

some young boy who happens to be a feminine that might end up being a gay guy, but maybe not. There is sometimes a feminine straight men or a girl who happens to be a little more butch, maybe she's into sports a little bit more than Barbie, and then they go after her. So they're actually radically anti-heaval.

anti-gay. So separating those letters is also very, very important. But we are going to look back on this or our children will look back on this and say, man, how did you guys, even for guys like us that have fought against it, how did you guys not scream from every rooftop every day relentlessly? That's interesting you bring that up. I would be curious. I wonder if we have stats on this. Like take trans men. What, so a trans man, no, no, no, take trans women. This is the problem. I can never get it. A trans woman is a man. Okay. And, and now is displaying as a woman. What percentage of them are attracted to men versus women? I'd be really curious to know that. Because you're right. I don't, that you're right. Like, I do think there's a societal impulse to push

effeminate young boys or gay boys in the direction of maybe you're actually a woman. But I don't know, like, are then therefore are a lot of trans women, so men, attracted to men, Or are they attracted to women? Right, so I don't know the numbers on that either, but I do know, if I'm not mistaken, and someone can fact check me on this, maybe my guys can do it live, that Iran is one of the largest percentage

of transgender people in the world, because what they are radically against, what they are radically against are gay people. So rather that if a mother is growing up and she looks at the little boy and he happens to be a feminine, let's say, she would rather quite literally chemically castrate him, dress him up as a girl,

and call him a different name and have him live his life that way, rather than saying, oh, you are just gay. So that gets to the point. And we can check some numbers on that. But this is very well-known. You're absolutely, no, you're right. I did this story, Dave, when I was at ESPN, or I pitched the story. I didn't get to do the story because I find this fascinating.

I'm sure it's different now. But let's say 20 years ago, Iran was where you would go for the most elite, you know, trans-surgery, trans whatever, right, medical treatment because of what you just described. And then the women, of course, they cover their bodies completely. They don't wear, like when they play sports, it's ankle to wrist. So there was a scandal of the Iranian women's soccer team. No one knew how many of them were actually men. And there was a suggestion that actually a high percentage of them are actually men because

of what you're talking about. Yeah, I mean, that shouldn't surprise anybody. I mean, these are all uncomfortable things to talk about, but, you know, we've been led down this path for the last 10 years that we had to accept all this. And you know, the irony is that most people, especially in America, most people are extremely over-the-top tolerance. So, you know, if someone is 21 years old or 18 years old and they wish to call themselves another name or they wish to dress up differently or do whatever they want with their body,

whether it's a tattoo or whatever, it's your body, right? There was, the left used to say, my body, my choice, and then came COVID, and they flipped on that real quick. But most Americans, when it comes to how an adult behaves, if you treat me with respect, I'll treat you with respect. But largely the thing that dysregulated this was the focus on children, and then in places like California, where they were quite literally gonna pass a bill

that was gonna allow the state to take your children if you didn't affirm their gender, but it wasn't affirmed, they meant disaffirm their actual gender and affirm the, psychological gender. Right. We did a story last week about a foster family in Massachusetts that did not have their foster license renewed because they would not do that right there with the foster kid,

affirm their gender choices. You know, bring up Iran. I'm not sure Iran anymore is the medical leader in the world on this trans stuff because while many European countries have outlawed this for kids of a certain age of America, to your point, is the one that has been pushing it forward. And this story was kind of highlighted last night, Dave. I find it really, really sad. But do you guys remember this story?

This is Avery Jackson. This was on the cover of National Geographic. I don't know if you ever turn. You can see that day, but I think everybody will recognize the cover. He had pink hair. He's wearing pink pajamas. I don't know if he's got lipstick on. But the cover says, gender revolution.

And then it has a quote, the best thing about being a girl is, now I don't have to pretend to be a boy. That's from 2017. Avery Jackson met Joe Biden and then there was this update, and it was from an ex poster, which I cannot verify the validity of it. I have to say that out front, meaning the expertise of this person posting, but Diana Alistair, I'm sure, and it's really long, Dave, and I'll try not to read it all, but if everybody remembers Avery Jackson, who at nine was on the cover of National Geographic, given the gold standard in gender affirming care, chemically, castrate and sterilized with Lupron, a medication usually prescribed to castrate sex offenders, but used on trans-identifying boys to prevent the onset of puberty. Avery is now 17, has come out as

non-binary, also identifies as as as as as sexual, meaning he doesn't experience sexual attraction. They're talking about this Lupron, that when given to, for example, sex offenders is in adulthood. Sometimes they can come back, but when given to pre-teen boys, you don't. You know. You know, never recover your ability. So Avery is sterile, can never father a child. His own child was spent in the national spotlight. The chemical castration he endured also stunned his growth and mental development in irreversible ways and parts of his body were prevented from developing fully and so was his mind. This kid's life has been ruined by affirmation, Dave. Oh, that's a good way to put it.

Yeah, you know, look, a child is growing physically and mentally, and it is your job as an adult to guide them the right way. And the idea that if you took a nine-year-old, let's say a nine-year-old in his heart of hearts felt that he was the opposite gender, whatever that means. Well, the nine-year-old, we know the nine-year-old's brain is not evolved and has not grown to the point where they're even able to make fully. rational decisions. So the fault here, of course, is not the kid. You know, we can make jokes, all the silly things about all this, but there should be nothing but sympathy for all the kids. The failure and the anger here should be directed at the parents and the entire institutional layer of doctors and everything else that instigated this. I mean, just the idea in and of itself, if you took a nine-year-old and you used all of those procedures and medications that

you just mentioned, and let's say you did it absolutely perfectly right, and you gave all of the psychological help that could possibly be available and everything else, as likely this kid got. On the other side of that, when you suddenly realize your genitals don't work the way you want, your emotions are disregulated because they've been messed, because your hormones were messed with, maybe you don't look exactly like you wanted.

You know, you wanted to look like a perfect girl, whatever that means, and you don't look that way, because often that's what happens with these people, which is why they become so sort of stereotypically over the top female, because they're never gonna be perfectly female. It's a pretty horrible situation. Like if you think you were depressed before when you thought maybe you were in the wrong body,

and now you have all these medical problems and psychological problems, and you don't look the way you look, and it's going to affect your sexual, physical, relationships with other people, which is worse? I would say the jury is out on that. Oh, I don't think the jury's out. I can say, it's definitely worse,

what you've done to them than whatever they might have been dealing with at the age of nine. much so that I think this is something we look back on. I hope this is something we look back on with such revulsion and condemnation that it would have been how did we not criminally prosecute the people that enabled this. The doctors, the politicians, I'm sorry, even the parents that took their kids down this path. Yeah, I don't know what will be the ultimate comeuppance of all of this. But I do think what's important is that

that it's at least being talked about now so that there is less pressure on the parent that lives in the blue city who's totally, you know, in that woke bubble. Maybe they will have a little more hesitation now and maybe, you know, and I also think that a lot of parents are starting to realize the effects of social media on their kids and what public school has done to them

and we know school choice is massively growing. We know that, you know, there is definitely a population shift between what's going on in the cities and what's going on in rural areas. So things are shifting a little bit, and I leave, most things to shift kind of culturally, but yeah, that doesn't, that doesn't stop any of the bad stuff from happening unless there's legislation to do it. All right, let's talk about the Tennessee

AOC. I don't tell you for granted that anybody's heard of her yet, but she's something. I don't know if I'm saying her name right. It's Afton Bain, maybe. And she's quite, she's quite a piece of work. Here's what she tweeted back in 2020, good morning, especially to the 54% of Americans that believe burning down a police station is justified, this Afton Bain is, Dave, remind, is she running for Congress? Is that, is that what she's doing in Tennessee? Yeah, she's running for Congress with the Nashville district. And as I'm sure you know, she is on audio saying how much she hates Nashville and how much she hates country music and how much she hates the food and the Bachelorette parties on Main Street there and everything

else. I mean, it's completely crazy. Like, you don't have to love every piece of a district you represent. You might have some frustrations with this and that, but I'm pretty sure a Nashvilleian is not going to vote for somebody that doesn't like Dolly Parton. That's a pretty low bar to set, and this woman is just wildly out of control. On top of defund the police stuff and all the usual progressive nonsense. Well, and it's actually unusual as well. So let's watch Afton Bain. Here she is, men can give birth from 2020. We have, you know, as as women who can give birth, men and women who can give birth, we could maybe leverage that as collective bargaining, which is the basis of this book that I'm not, I've just started reading, but called birth strike

and how we can really leverage collective bargaining when it comes to having children in this country. And so, for example, like, I'm not going to give birth until the United States government concedes ABCD. Wait, that's the first time I've heard of that. The men won't keep, the men can give birth part is actually not the best part of that. The best part is she's on a birth strike. Right, that's just like a little throwaway. You know, the guys are giving birth.

And then it's like, lady. But, but, you know, none of this at this point, Will, at this point in 2025, we have been through so many versions of this where they just constantly are out crazying each other. That almost nothing, like anything that you listen to at this point, Okay, so she thinks men can give birth. She's on a birth strike so that she can extort extractions from the government, I suppose. And she hates country music while she's running in Nashville. Should any of this surprise us, really?

And apparently in 2019, she got drug out of Governor Bill Lee's office. Watch. You're not going to say, are you going to say, Oh, are you okay? I'm really disappointed in the camera work. I want to see her on the ground. She played dead body like your kids. You know, when your kids played dead body,

she played dead body so you couldn't get her out of the room. You know, it's basically like, look, we can deal with if the communists want to take over New York City, and we can deal with Portland, and you took Seattle, and you took a lot of the blue stuff. cities that we know about, but leave us Nashville. Like we, shouldn't we have just a list of 10 cities

that you people are not allowed to, you want Austin and Texas, you got it. But you can't have Nashville and Tennessee. And I know you damn well can't have Miami here in Florida. And Will, I know you're in the Dallas area. They can't have Dallas, like there should just be a list. You want the crazy stuff, okay lady, go do it in Austin, go do it in Portland, but leave us out of this.

No, I don't wanna give them Austin. I don't wanna give them Austin. Already, I hit to cut you, my friend. I know. I know. By the way, before we go, you know, it's, I'm hearing more and more, speaking of AOC, that she's running for president, Dave. Like, that's what, I've heard that from a sitting senator in the United States.

And somebody else, another politician, like with seemingly inside the Washington rumor mill is saying she's running for president. Look, nothing surprises me out of this Democrat party. They just ran a woman who was wildly unqualified to be president, completely unqualified to be vice president, and she was the number two to a guy who was mentally compromised, and everyone pretended that wasn't real. Look who they just elected in New York.

I mean, putting aside all of the bad policies of Mamdami, which are endless, he has no qualifications. The man has never run anything, anything. He's never run a bodega, which would be an honorable thing to do, by the way, but they elected him on vibes. And AOC is all vibes. She's all vibes and no substance. So she's perfect for the Democrats.

Their primary is going to be completely bananas. As a broadcaster, I'm looking forward to it. As an American, I'm cringing already. Well, I don't really know about strongman competitions, but Dave, you're not winning anything. Before we go, you know, I'm sorry, bud, but being a dude isn't going to help you in this. I'm still light on my feet. Maybe I could, you know.

Maybe I had a little something I could do. Good God. You see the lady on the silver medalist, she's super pissed called bullshit and walked off the podium. Good for her. Yeah, good for her. We need more of that. It's like she should not have to put that.

That's, you know, Riley Gaines 2.0 right there, and that's more of the energy we need. All right, check him out at the Rubenport. He's the creator of locals.com. Dave Ruben, always appreciate the time. Thank you, Dave. Good to see it, my man. All right, take care.

All right, two days, tinfoil, before we go, anybody out there in the audience pushing back in a really persuasive way about pajamas on the airplane? No, I think we got the consensus. Pajamas are a no-go. But I have to say, the crocs aren't that bad. What you were talking about, the slippers are no-go. Sweatpants I'm okay with. like a nice crisp pair of sweatpants I'm okay with and a hoodie

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making sure pronounce this word for me you ready Dan because I don't think Patrick can keep up with the spelling V

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is what do I say because somebody got on me on TV yesterday vehemently vehemently I think I say vehemently is incorrect vehemently

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they just got in there wrong No. Nothing you can do. All right, enjoy your road trip. Enjoy your flight. Don't wear your pajama bottoms. We're going to be here again tomorrow. So if you are traveling on Wednesday, just get us on Spotify or Apple. And let us ride with you to Grandma's House for Thanksgiving. We'll see you again next time.

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