Will Cain Country - Inside Minnesota’s Billion-Dollar Somali Fraud Rings (ft. Jon Justice & Rep. Anna Paulina Luna)

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

Story 1: Will breaks down massive Somali-led fraud schemes siphoning Minnesota taxpayer money through fake autism diagnoses, inflated housing claims, and sham food-aid programs. Jon Justice, Host of 'Jon Justice on Twin Cities News Talk,' joins to explain how Gov. Tim Walz (D-MN) and Attorney General Keith Ellison ignored red flags for years while stolen funds were funneled into luxury lifestyles and back to Somalia, potentially reaching al-Shabaab. Story 2: Will reacts to Wajahat Ali’s viral rant celebrating demographic takeover and the mocking of American culture. Will dismantles his logic and sounds the alarm on Western self-loathing. Story 3: Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL) details the findings on Jeffrey Epstein’s likely foreign-intel ties, evidence potentially destroyed by federal officials, and JFK files showing CIA obstruction and an internal political motive.  Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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today. Two, huge argument exploded here on Will Cain Country over whether or not Texas should be in the college football playoff. Today, we pronounce the winner of that debate, tinfoil Pat or Will. Three, Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna. On, the Epstein files, JFK files, UFOs, everything classified, but now beginning to be released by Congress. page. We've got a big show for you today with Anna Paulina Luna, a congresswoman joining us to talk about classified files, including the Epstein files. We're going to get to that in just a moment here on the Will Kane show. But we want to get into this scam in Minnesota. We want to get into this massive story that deserves a ton of attention where literally billions of

have been stolen from Minnesota taxpayers, fraudulent schemes, driven by the Somali community in Minnesota, and in many occasions, funneled back to Somalia, perhaps even into the hands of al-Shabaab, an ISIS affiliate. In fact, I wanted to share with you a few numbers I find absolutely striking. The Minnesota services that have been defrauded include feeding our future. That is a federally funded program. and the federal funding to feeding our future in Minnesota, in 2019, was $3.4 million. Three years later, by 2021, that had gone up to $200 million, from $3.4 to $200 million. Fake lunches served, fake tickets, fake number of heads that showed up to these services,

bilking the federal government and the Minnesota taxpayers literally out of more than $175 million. How about their HSS program? This is housing for people in need, the disabled. Same thing, Somali Community Fraud Ring inflated the program, the numbers of people that needed housing and take a look at the stats. In 2020, the estimated cost for that was very similar. $3 million. By 2024, it was up to about $110 million. Through the first six months of 2025, this program got $60 million, meaning it was on pace for $120 million. So from $3 million to $120 million in that program.

And one more, perhaps the absolute most egregious, most offensive. How about federal funds going to Minnesota for an autism program for children? Well, again, a Somali fraud ring was getting parents to get their children diagnosed as autistic. They weren't, but they were doing so getting checks from the social services in like a bidding mechanism. Oh, $300 if you come to this social service, $1,500 a month if you come to this social service. And the social services were filing all these kids as autistic getting money for Medicare. Medicaid. In 2018, again, something.

like $2 million, $3 million in funds going to autism. By 2023, five years later, over $400 million going to this problem. Where was the money going? Well, apparently it was going to luxury homes. It was going to luxury cars. It was going to vacations for some of these Somalis. I think it's 76 people. It's around 80 people that have been arrested all but seven or eight are Somalian.

Going to these lavish lifestyles. but also going back to Somalia. 40% of the economy of Somalia is remittances, $1.7 billion a year. That is more than the size of the Somali government's total budget. And some of that money, according to City Journal,

going to the hands of Al-Shabaab, an ISIS-affiliated terror organization. Let's get into this a little deeper here. Now, with story number one. John Justice is the host, of John Justice on Twin Cities News Talk at KTLK 1130 a.m. and 103.m. and 103. FM in Minnesota. And John joins us now. John, good to see you. Thank you so much for having me on the show, Will. I really appreciate it. This is, so first of all, let's start here, John. This is so shocking. It's so egregious.

But I keep hearing this, John. It's not new. You guys knew about it. This has been known for some time in Minneapolis. We have seen a massive ramp up recently in terms of the amount of information that we're receiving. The City Journal article that you mentioned there certainly blew this wide open. Trump took the next step to really bring this to the national forefront by moving to end the temporary protected status. That was not about dealing with the problem at all. That was just about raising awareness. And I'm glad that he did it. But no, you're right.

We've known about this fraud here in Minnesota for, you know, a few years now. now. The autism story that you mentioned relating to funds going overseas, there was stories a few years back of one particular instance where a suitcase full of cash was actually intercepted at, according to insiders, at Minneapolis International, at MSP. That money was slated to go overseas to Somalia at the time. So we've been aware of this fraud going on for a long time. And I'll be honest, Will, I am so thankful that it's finally getting the national coverage because this is a national issue and something that I never could have fathomed I would have been covering to this level of corruption and fraud in my 30 years of doing radio.

Okay, so there's corruption, there's fraud. In the old days of a normal political environment, it usually took down politicians. If you were involved in it, if it happened under your watch, it took down politicians. I don't, in my memory, I cannot think of a bigger example of fraud, pure theft, theft of the taxpayers of Minnesota, not just of their taxpaying dollars, but of their services, the poor kids out there who do legitimately have autism, who are crowded out of their ability to get legitimate services. And yet, as you mentioned now, it's been going on for a couple years. it's been, well, it's been going on for five, six years. It's been known for a couple years, and not only has it not taken down any politicians that I know of,

but at the same time, your top politician, Minnesota, got picked to be a vice presidential candidate. And a lot of the reason why it hasn't been covered is because of the media here in Minnesota. They may touch upon when a certain story breaks. The autism story you mentioned, When that first broken, we got the full details of what was going on. You can spend the entirety of your show getting into the background of what was taking place

or wasn't taking place inside of these different autism centers, the families, as you mentioned, that are actually bought off whose children are not going to the autism centers, but they're paid out through the fraud to keep their mouths shut as those children are claimed to bring in those dollars. But here in Minnesota, the media has simply ignored raising the level of importance on any of these stories. And so you got Governor Tim Walz, he's skated by all of this. I mean, the guy should resign today based off the level of fraud that has been exposed. And we're just really well at the tip of the iceberg here. I mean, there is so much more that is going to be revealed within the next year, I am sure of it, that what we're talking about right now will seem relatively small, compared to what is still going to come via these ongoing investigations that have been taking place.

It's incredible to see happen. And again, I'm just glad that everybody is talking about it now because we've been sitting here scratching our heads going, when is the country going to wake up to what is taking place in this great state? Well, what do you mean? This is massive. So if this is the tip of the iceberg, what are you expecting to be uncovered in the next couple of years? I don't know what program that's been passed under. Democrats. And I got to let me give up just a little bit of history here. So you go back to

2022 and 2023. The Democrats also known as the DFL here in Minnesota, the Democrat farmer labor, but they're not about farmers anymore. Be that isn't maybe. They're known as the DFL here. They got the trifecta of power. They ruled it all from the legislator right up to the governor, the attorney general. And in that time, they fully went and passed their agenda. They ignored the Republicans in the legislature. They ignored any concerns about. these programs and they just passed everything they wanted to pass. And what we see now are the ramifications of just how open to fraud they created with these programs. And so when I say it's a tip of the iceberg, I don't think there's any government funded, taxpayer funded public service program

passed under Democrats that is not fraudulent at this point in time. So you're seeing exposure in House and Human Services. You're seeing it in autism centers. We've had daycare centers that have been targeted in the past and have been exposed for fraud before the feeding our future. But as we continue to investigate this, and hopefully these investigations coming from Trump's administration, as was announced yesterday, they're going to be looking into the Al-Shabaab tax pism, taxpayer dollar funding. Hopefully, the federal government will be able to do the deep dive that's necessary, and we're going to see the true extent. Because while you see the number of $2 billion in fraud, most of the rational estimates right now,

will it's about six billion or more in fraud that's just simply gone up and smoke here in Minnesota whoa I mean that's just an estimate where you getting that number from six billion so we've only uncovered a third of what's happened what was that coming from well basic insiders we're what is that yeah no no we're basing a lot of this off of the individuals who have been convicted so far and the relevant information that we have via the investigations but when you start to look at the other programs that are coming under question. We just had Governor Tim Walls only because he can no longer hide from the fraud because the media has been giving him cover for years and they gave him cover last year when he was

picked as VP. All of this was known and it was completely ignored. But he just shut down funding to some 14 different programs over fear of fraud here in Minnesota. So the funding is stopped to those programs. we have yet to get into the intricacies and the details of those particular programs to discover just how much fraud has been perpetuated. John, when do you do that?

What's that? Shut down that funding. It's going to be heading into next year. When did he freeze that funding? Oh, he did that. Oh, he did that, what, two weeks ago? It was about two weeks ago he did that. So while this one is getting exposed, while this one is starting to get national attention, not exposed, to your point, while it's starting to get national attention,

all of a sudden he's like, boom, stop this to 14 programs. And to my knowledge right now, all we're talking about is like three programs, right? Which totals, to your point, we're somewhere between $1 and $2 billion with three programs. You're telling me there's potentially 11 more programs that he's been like, ugh, these are sketchy, stop funding these. 100%. I'll take it one step further. During the legislative session earlier this year, and I won't get too won't get too wonky on here, but just hear me out. During the legislative session, you had Republicans who were sharing power in the House.

It was a completely divided House. They had a one vote majority in the Senate here in Minnesota. The Republicans moved forward based off of the fraud that had already been exposed to put in place an inspector general. And this inspector general on the state would have had some power and teeth behind him to actually go and root out the fraud. The Democrats shot it down, said, nope, we don't think that the fraud's that bad or it's really to the extent of what everybody is saying. So they voted against it. Once the current fraud started to get attention, Wall stepped in, a point. pointed his own inspector general that only adheres to him.

So the inspector general, Wallace is like, well, I'll take care of the fraud. I'll appoint my own inspector general. But that inspector general only reports to Governor Tim Wall. So he has complete control over the narrative moving forward relating to whatever this inspector general finds out. I'm convinced, Will, that Walls will not be, at this point in time, will not be the nominee for governor in Minnesota while he seeks to run for a third term. should be resigning right now. This is an absolutely stunning story out of Minneapolis, so let's

continue the investigation with John Justice, a host on Twin Cities News Talk when we come back on Wilcane Country. This is Ainsley Earhart. Thank you for joining me for the 52 episode podcast series, The Life of Jesus. A listening experience that will provide hope, comfort, and understanding of the greatest story ever told. Listen and follow now at foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome back to Will Kane country. We're still hanging out with John Justice on Twin Cities News Talk about the Minneapolis Somali fraud ring. So, okay, so the Attorney, the Inspector General in Minnesota can't be trusted. The answer is only to what. The state, and you can correct me if I'm wrong on this, the state had done very little. Keith Ellison, the Attorney General,

done very little. This is being driven now by the feds, right? The feds are the ones chasing this down. So what about Keith Ellison? What, what, I mean, not just Tim Walts. Like, where is the accountability for Keith Ellison? Well, there is no, there has been no accountability for Keith Ellison right now. He's been avoiding a lot of the scrutiny at the moment just because it seems as if Governor Tim Walls has been the main focus as this starts to gain national attention. And certainly with him running for a third term, I understand why that's the case. But no, you're absolutely right. You look at the Attorney General Keith Ellison. you know, what did Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanagan know?

And as a matter of fact, reporting done by Center of the American Experiment going back into April, they have audio of Keith Ellison talking with the individuals who have been charged in fraud at the time, saying that don't worry, guys, I got your back, don't worry about all these accusations of fraud. So you had the Attorney General actually on record citing with the individuals, who were charged with the fraud telling them, don't worry about the fraud. It's all just based off of racists that are going and calling this out. I got your back, and I'm here to go and help you.

And there are also some campaign donations that were involved in that as well. And all that reporting has been available since earlier this year. Right. Okay, let me go back to this. So let's presume that you're correct, that we're sitting at the tip of the iceberg. A stunning place where we sit today, but it's just the tip of the iceberg.

That this potentially, to your numbers, is something like $6 billion defrauded. 14 different programs. Are they all in your knowledge or, you know, wherever you stand on this right now, are they all connected to the Somalian community in Minnesota? I don't know about the other programs that have been, that the money's been halted to.

If I were a betting man, I would say yes. when you consider at the moment the fraud that has been perpetuated that we know about, 76% of that fraud has been done by members of the Somali community. Now, that is a fraction of the Somali community here in Minnesota, but it doesn't take away from the fact that a majority of the fraud has been perpetuated by the Somali community. So without having the data in front of me, I couldn't tell you. But if you came back and said that, yeah, the majority of the fraud in these programs is also the Somali community. I'd be like, okay, yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah, I mean, it stands to reason, right? It does have to be proved, to your point. How does the Somali community get so integrated into the various programs at such a level that it can perpetuate a half-decade-long fraud? So the way these programs are designed, there's very little barrier to entry. So it's really easy to go and open up an autism center, daycare, housing and human services, as you mentioned, or you go back to the feeding our future fraud. And there was a very little barrier to entry to get involved in it. And so as these programs started, and they started off legitimately, if you look at the numbers in the opening years, those three, two or three

million dollars, you know, okay, that makes sense. That amount of money being necessary to come from taxpayers to fund these services. That's what it's for. As it's, It began to balloon over the course of just a few years. And as you mentioned, you go from two or three million, you know, up to hundreds of million, $400 million in some cases. The red flags get drawn up at DHS here in Minnesota. And you have individuals inside of DHS that are going, okay, this looks funky. There's a dramatic increase in this funding what's going on.

What I'm being told in what other Minnesota DHS employees have been saying via these whistleblowers is that when they bring it to other, when they bring it to their superior's attention, they either give them that, don't worry about it, we'll take care of it, we're looking into it. And Will, I've had individuals that have been coming to me for the past year anonymously telling me they see the fraud all the time

when they go and try to bring it to somebody's attention inside of Wall's administration, it just gets ignored. So they simply allowed it to happen. John, this is fascinating because to your point, it grew too fast, too much too fast to be normal. You don't go from 300 million to 400 million in four to five years without red flags being raised, without somebody going, dang, we sure do have a proliferation of autism issues here in Minneapolis. And by the way, the autism seems to be really prevalent in the Somali community without somebody going, huh, maybe we should look into that, or somebody going, maybe we shouldn't look into that.

And so that's where this starts to go higher than just the Somali community. we can talk about why that happens and it's interesting does it happen is this over indexing in the Somali community of Minneapolis because corruption is part of the culture of Somalia and it's something that's carried over into the community of Minneapolis or is it a top down thing where somebody's like you know you guys should look into this this is a great way to you know what I want to know is as you go higher up the chain was it idea generation or was it complicit overlooking of these issues, because there's no way these red flags weren't seen. No, and people, you got to go back to again, you go back to the time when the,

and the Democrats have had in some way, shape, or form the majority of power. Right now, it's split within the legislature, but over the course of the past few years, they've had somewhat the majority of power. So when attention gets drawn to this during the legislative session and fraud, you know, and fraud committee meetings and whatnot, the concerns for Republicans just go, ignored. And it goes back right around to what I mentioned before. You have Republicans and individuals who see what's going on. They raise the red flags. They talk to the media and the media has no interest at all in covering any of any of this. And so there just simply is a lack of interest coming

from individuals who can go and stop this and make a difference. With what you mentioned regarding the individuals perpetuating the fraud, my guess is watching this whole thing play out is that It begins to balloon and people are getting away with it so easily. And you can tell in the way that they conducted themselves and how they spent the money. You look at the, as you mentioned, the lavish vacations that individuals took, the cars, the trips to Vegas. This is repeated through all the different cases of fraud when individuals have gone to trial. They become so accustomed to it. They just simply feel like, well, the politicians aren't holding me accountable.

Anytime somebody goes and brings it up, nobody seems to give a rip. So we'll just keep on doing it because it doesn't look like I'm going to go and get in trouble for it. And my neighbors is over there doing it and the family members are being bought off and they're all fine with it. So we'll just keep on committing our fraud. And it's a fantastic payday here in Minnesota. But as you mentioned, none of that is sustainable and eventually it was going to end up coming to the surface. And this is where we are now. Far too late, by the way.

Okay, one last question for you, John. what's up in Minnesota? Like, how did Minnesota, you know, a quintessentially Midwestern state, Midwestern values, become, I don't know, what? Seemingly on par with Massachusetts for one of the most reliably blue left states embracing some of the most extreme points of view from gender issues to whatever else. and the reason I bring it up here, that's clearly part of tolerating what just took place in Minnesota. Whether there's the conversations about anybody that brought this up was called a racist, these types of things. It was this huge inoculation mechanism in the ideology of Minnesota, which, yes, we can say is in the politicians,

but the voters keep picking these politicians. So to some extent the politicians reflect the will of the voters of Minnesota. How? So the Democrats have a really good election game here in Minnesota because we just have, we have basically two concentrated blue areas that end up driving these elections. We still are a very divided state. When you look at the balance of power, when Democrats do grab the power, it's not sweeping mandates. They're not winning by large margins. They're winning by just enough to gain a couple of seats.

the more egregious aspects of what's taking place here in the state goes back to what I mentioned before. It was the time when the Democrats had all of the power. In Minnesota, we hold out hope that if we can increase voter turnout, because there's no arguing with Democrats right now. There's no point to have a debate with Democrats at the moment the way that they're operating. And it certainly is the same case here in Minnesota. If we can increase the voter turnout, just a couple of percentage points for Republicans, we can actually win elections and turn this state around. And this is what we're hoping for next year with the exposure of all. all of this, but really to long, you know, to go a long way to answer your question, the Democrats

just have done a very good job of concentrating all of their power within these blue areas that drive the election. When you look at the map of Minnesota, you would think it's a conservative state. It's bathed in red, except for two really staunch Democrat blue areas that again, end up having the impact on all of these, on all of our elections. That's put us in a position where we are where we are now. And I'm hoping the exposure that we're seeing is going to drive next year's elections so we can get real change here in Minnesota to get us out of where we are right now. Well, we'd love to stay on top of this. We'd love to continue talking to you, John, as if this truly is the tip of the iceberg, there's a lot more to uncover here.

We'd love to hear from you as it goes along. You can hear from John also at John Justice on Twin Cities News Talk. That's 1130 a.m. and 103.m. and 103.F. John, great conversation. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. I really had a good time. All right, you guys have to hear some of the most egregious sound and video that I could potentially ever play. And I don't, oh, don't stick around to get angry. No, no, no, no. I think you actually need to hear this as well. So that's coming up on Will Cain Country. Hey, you've heard me talk about this on several occasions. It's one of my favorite brands for the fall. It's Buffalo Jackson. Now, if you've listened to me during that time, you know already how much I love their gear. In fact, Dean, do me a

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By the way, Pat I don't know if you notice. I was so effective that basically the entirety of the college football commentary class is now with me. Joel Clatt. Paul Feinbom? Texas might just be in. Fine bomb. Texas might just be in the playoff.

Those are all major propagandists for the SEC. Patrick's smarter than all them, though, so it's fine. Don't worry about it. The people. Joe Clatworth Fox so careful. He's a colleague, and he covers. the big 10. So I don't, and he played in the big 12.

So I don't know why he would be an SEC propagandist. I haven't been super impressed with his college football opinions. But, you know, I still like Joel. I just. Joe Clyde is great. He's the best. He's a great guy. Joel's great.

His opinions, I don't know. Not the best. I think he's a little hurt. Well, the results are in. You know, I don't know. The people seem to say otherwise on, on social media. One person. You.

I don't think so. I don't think so. We also have this from the Wilicia. Jay Elliott says, Minnesota is more likely the lid on the worm can, folks. Much, much more is what he's talking about. He's right, by the way. Why would we presume this is only happening in Minnesota? Tiggie Cam says you can't blame people for being a part of hundreds of millions or a billion dollars of free money scam.

Yes, I can. Yes, I can blame people. I can blame people for committing crimes. Sorry, Tiggie. I absolutely can. Ritz Malone says how much money has gone into Waltz's pocket? Waltz should be, and by the way, Keith Ellison, don't let Keith. Heath Ellison's slide here. He should be absolutely right under the microscope. And then S. Mason says, you can do the same deep dive on where money is going in most NGOs. I think you're absolutely right. I want to play this for you really quickly. I want you to listen to Wajad Ali. Wajali used to be a columnist for the New York Times. Now, I don't know where he works. I think he appears on MSNBC, maybe CNN from time to time. And he posted this video on social media. Here's what he has.

to say about the future of America. You have lost. You lost. The mistake that you made is you let us in in the first place. That's the thing with brown people. I'm going to say this as a brown person. There's a lot of us, like a lot. There's like $1.2 billion in India.

There's more than $200 million. In Pakistan, there's like $170 million in Bangladesh. Those are just the people there. I'm even talking about the folks who are expats or immigrants. There's a bunch of us. And we breed. We're a breeding people. And the problem is, is you let us in.

in 1965. There were a few of us beforehand, but once you're like one of us in, you know what happens with brown folks? Our grandmother comes, our grandfather comes, our uncle comes, our aunt comes, our cousin comes, our second cousin comes, our third cousin comes. Then we have kids, a bunch of kids. And then guess what? Some white women, you know, the Western civilization women, the pure women, the American women, quote, the Russ belt women, the real women, they like some of us brown folks. We don't take them. They come to us. Okay, that's the first part. So let me just say something about the first part. Almost everything he's said there is true. The birth rates, true. The population, true. Chain migration, true.

You know, I was listening to Tucker Carlson recently talking about the defeatist attitude of Western civilization and embracing, you know, assisted suicide, abortion, the lack of reproduction. A lot of that is the characteristics of a defeated people. He talked about the history of the American Indian, a very noble, proud, really strong people in what has affected the American Indian population over time is defeated, self-defeated. And these are the characteristics of an ascendant people. Right there, what you have to hear, and it's not easy, but it's true from Wajali. But then he says this. So we're embedded. We are everywhere. We are everywhere. I've traveled this country. I'm going to speak as a brown person.

Brown people are everywhere. There will be a Patel Motel or there will be a Desi restaurant everywhere. I want you to realize this. You have lost your story. You're story is a shitty story filled with misery. It's filled with bland chicken. It's filled with terrible, terrible dry-ass meat. Your music sucks. All your culture sucks. Nobody, that's why the kids, like, listen to black people and their music. That's why the kids love Latinos. Your parties suck because they're monochromatic. Our parties have better food, better music, better looking women. He goes from being correct about the 1965 Immigration Act as the origination for much of this to now that value proposition, that subjective point of view, which can be

rebutted with one simple point. Then why? Then why this massive population that you described? Why did they come to America? Why did they come to this failed experiment? Why did they come to a place with a bad culture, with bad music, with bad food? Why did they come to a place where, you know, everything is awful? That's what we hear. That's what we're told. Everything is awful. in America. Why do we have to turn people away at the border? Why do we need to build a border wall? Why do we need to control immigration quotas? Why? Why does everybody want to come here? It's really incredible. It's fascinating. It's virtually, it should be studied. How is it that an entire population of people across the world flock to something that is so bad and awful? Why is

that? Hollywood? What is it? I would love that. Why? Why? Why? Why? come to America why do that I would love to know the answer to that question if we took down all borders all immigration laws across the world free and flow migration of people would more or less people

more or fewer people come to America that right there is the answer to every question but we heed that as a warning I'm not sure about the women thing that sounds like cope That right there is the warning that everyone needs to hear from a former New York Times columnist.

Coming up, Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna is going to join us. She's been on it when it comes to the Epstein files. We've had some conversations that have been unfinished. Today we get to revisit those conversations about the Epstein files, JFKs, underwater UFOs, and more with Anna Paulina Luna. Coming up on Wilcane Country. Epstein, JFK, UFOs, Trump assassination, what do we know from declassified documents of federal secrets? It is Wilcane Country streaming live at the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page, but always available as well at Spotify or on Apple. Joining us now is Republican Congresswoman from Florida's 13th Congressional District.

She is the chairwoman of the task force on declassification of federal secrets. It is Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna. Congresswoman, great to see you again. Very happy to be here, well. Let's pick up, if you wouldn't mind with the conversation you and I had in part on television, I'd say, just a few weeks ago. We were talking about Jeffrey Epstein. And you said to me that day, that day, that there are indications, there is evidence that Jeffrey Epstein's connected to foreign intelligence.

Now, you and I had a conversation, I asked you some pointed questions like, how do you know that? And you said to me in conversations and interviews with victims' attorneys, and I said to you, how would they know that? And you said to me because of a reported bodyguard of Jeffrey Epstein who has said this. Now, since that time, by the way, Congresswoman, I've talked about this more, and I interviewed some of those or one of those victims' attorneys. And she said something similar. So I'd love to pick up from that point. I did a little research. That was new to me when I heard that.

I'm not unfamiliar with the idea that Jeffrey Epstein was connected to foreign intelligence. I was unfamiliar with the bodyguard. And I've looked into this now. Is who you're talking about Igor Zinoviev? You know, they never gave me the name. And actually, I do have it written down in my notes, but off the top of my head, I can't confirm that. But what's interesting is you've actually been one of the few reporters to actually follow up on that. A lot of people, the moment that we told them this, and remember, I'd actually walked out of that interview with those victims and with the, the attorney, and I told that to the press and no one asked follow-up questions.

No one went to actually interview the victim's attorneys. There was really no follow-up period. And so I applaud you for that because I think that, you know, for us, obviously we have a lot on our plate here in Congress, but also, too, the press should be asking those questions because the American people deserve to know. I totally agree. Now, okay, so what I've come to learn is Igor Zanoviyev was, in fact, a bodyguard for Jeffrey Epstein. I believe he was from Russia, perhaps Soviet Russia at one point, MMA fighter. And he has been on the record with a couple of different reporters.

I can't remember the name of the reporter off the top of my head that did this reporting. But, by the way, it's not from some right-wing press. It was actually from somebody from like the Atlantic or the New York or something like that. And he said this. He said, Epstein's untouchable. Be careful. What you chase down. He invoked the CIA of Epstein's connections.

Now, like I said, I'm not unfamiliar with this line of connections and theories. I know about Galane Maxwell. I know who her father was, Robert Maxwell. And there are very, very strong indications that Robert Maxwell's. connected to foreign intelligence, including Maasad. So in your pursuit of the declassified documents, what have you learned about, and this is why this is important, because I think this story is bigger than simply one of sexual degeneracy.

I think it's bigger than one of, even honestly, you know, the sounds bigger than the victims. And that's hard to say, but there's a reason. reason why this story has been so hard to pin down and why Jeffrey Epstein's life is so hard to explain. And that has to be explored. So what have you learned from the declassified documents? Well, first of all, we can start out in that, you know, when we were in that interview, and I think that I had mentioned this on television, but there was talk also from the victim's attorney that Jeffrey Epstein had been passing notes back and forth with the former director of the CIA while he was under, I guess, like his day-dacamp prison is what I'll call it.

And so, mind you, he had already been convicted for already victimizing some of those younger women. But what was interesting is I did follow up to figure out at what point, you know, was this American intelligence, was this former intelligence. And so what's interesting to know is that the CIA does keep records of their assets, of their informants, et cetera. and, you know, not to say that this information possibly wasn't destroyed, and I think that that's going to be probably a separate conversation that you and I will have to have after I finished answering this question. But to my knowledge, the current CIA, so remember, during different administrations and different directors, sometimes things get lost and that, you know, there's proof of that even with our Kennedy investigation. But under this current CIA director, I don't believe that they've found evidence that he was working. working as an American intelligence asset. So all that to say that I do believe in what you're referring to and what you're inferencing

is that he was foreign intelligence. I absolutely think that he was running a blackmail operation. What's been also very interesting about this is I did my part. Remember, Congress is not a punitive arm. You know, we do have some abilities in regards to what we can bring forward in regards to contempt, but really punishment and law enforcement investigation. We typically refer to the Department of Justice and the FBI on. So when I found out that there was an individual, it was a woman, under the former deputy director of the FBI, that prior to the transition of Trump's team taking over, under Biden's authority, had initiated the destruction of evidence, specifically pertaining to not just the Russia gate stuff, but also pertaining to Jeffrey Epstein, I'd actually pass that information off.

I do think that it is very possible that either there was evidence that was planted. but most certainly that there was destruction of evidence specifically pertaining to this stuff. Because remember, when you even look at some of the footage that Project Veritas even brought forward and you saw all of those drives, I mean, the people that he was associated with, the inner circles, I mean, at one point he was actually even blackmailing. I think it was the editor-in-chief of Vanity Fair to not cover what he was doing. So he was obviously very connected and really felt that he was untouchable. You don't get that type of influence unless you are and then you have blackmail over people.

people also. So I think that it was definitely a likely of foreign intelligence gathering operation using blackmail. So you mentioned to me that day on television, Iran, Russia, Israel. Speaking of connections to intelligence, there is wide, I mean, this, I think this is a proven fact, that he had a connection to the former Israeli prime minister and defense minister, who was also, I believe, Israeli intelligence prior to being prime minister, Ehud Barak. Big relationship with Ehud Barak. And Jeffrey Epstein's connections to me defy explanation.

There's a lot of rich New York financiers. There's just a lot. Do they all have connections to the Russian president? Do they all have connections to world leaders across? So when you put these connections together, and by the way, they're domestic as well, connections to Bill Clinton, you know, when you put these connections together and the fact that it's been so poorly reported and the way he walked through the criminal justice system, it really makes you question what, this doesn't seem like a common criminal.

No, it definitely doesn't. I think that he was well-funded. I mean, how many people that you know or do you know of that just give their friends, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars or price. you know, mansions in the Upper East Side of New York. I don't know many people like that, and I have a lot of good friends. But it wasn't just that. It was the fact that he basically was functioning outside and really untouchable,

according to law enforcement. What's been also interesting, though, is that, you know, you have the victims that had said that they had reached out to try to get files pertaining to them, you know, specifically. We're talking about whether it was information, footage, anything that had their name on it and that the previous administration had denied them access to it. So, you know, whether or not that information was lost or destroyed, I tend to lean on our investigations and saying that there was absolutely destruction of evidence. And so I don't know to what entirety we will ever fully know the Jeffrey Epstein story.

Because prior to this administration taking over, what I can tell you is I've absolutely talked to whistleblower, whistleblower has publicly come forward to say that there was destruction of evidence. And Cash Patel actually found evidence of those burn bags at the FBI. I think actually just recently yesterday he had at. made a mention about it. So we know that that happened, but, you know, it's not the first time that we've heard of similar operations being run in an effort to leverage the rich and powerful, the influential politicos, people of, you know, influence here in the United States. There's been

other similar situations. And, you know, it's not, I think, outside of the realm of possibility to accept the fact that he indeed was running some form of blackmail operation, whether it has to do with, you know, those countries involved in nuclear programs? I don't know. I can speculate. I haven't seen the information there. But, you know, ultimately, I think if you know people in the intelligence world, and if you understand our position, the United States is still the most powerful country in the world, but that means that even our friends can't be trusted at times. Well, that's just the reality of the world. The reality of the world is, as you point out,

I hope this doesn't come as a big shock to me. Friends do spy on each other. So the U.K. and the U.S. spy on each other. It happens. All the time. Now, so like we shouldn't like be blown away by that, that reality. We can be blown away by the tools that might be used and the victims that are created in some of that. And the compromise, potentially if it is a blackmail operation, as you point out. But if that's true, and I don't know, you know, these are dots that are really hard to connect and really hard to prove up. But it seems like regardless of administration, Congresswoman, there wouldn't be a big appetite for a revelation of the truth, regardless of the party in power, because you're dealing with something that is

far beyond partisan politics. You're talking about geopolitical allegiances and ties and even if it's an opposing power, it's a powder keg. And so documents destroyed, even with your congressional power, documents not turned over to you? I don't know. I hear pessimism in your voice, and I would think there would be pessimism on actually the ability to ever get to a real truth. Yeah, I think that we'll only really ever know the partial story. And it's not that there's not a willingness from people within this administration to produce, but based on what I've seen, not just with this investigation, but specifically pertaining to, we can talk about the Kennedy stuff. There have been instances in our history where the government did engage in a cover-up and

in destroying evidence. What's been really interesting about this, though, is that, and I'm actually glad, because when I went and I put out this information about the destruction of evidence, I actually introduced legislation known as a shred act to actually increase the mandatory minimums for federal officials that were actually caught destroying evidence. I did all this, and I was really surprised to see the lack of supportive coverage from this because I felt like this was a smoking gun. I mean, like we're talking about one of the biggest investigations in U.S. history and yet we find out that there's evidence destruction. But I'm glad that I made that paper trail because then we saw that it was quickly used to really kind of like a, hey, look over here, we're going to try

to smear the president with it. Meanwhile, they really didn't have anything on him. And we know for a fact that if they did, they would have leaked that during the presidential. But where there is smoke, there is fire. And just based on the facts that I know, and I'm pretty good, I've been pretty spot on, especially with some of the other investigations that we've run, I don't know that we'll fully ever get the truth because I believe that that evidence was likely largely destroyed during the Biden administration prior to the takeover taking place, prior to the handover of power taking place. Well, let's talk about for just a moment, JFK. So there's been such a gigantic document dump on it with still a lot of redactions. What's your biggest takeaway that we should have

paid attention to in the past what six months that it's been that we released more about JFK's assassination? So I've been working with some incredible investigators that have been on this for over 30 years. So clearly their expertise in this far outranks mine. But what's been really cool is that if we do have redacted documents, we actually send them back. get them unredact and see what they are. And as you remember, the administration got, I think, kind of tripped up because during one of the troves of releases, they actually had people's Social Security numbers.

And so obviously, you know, they had to make right with those people on that topic. But I think one of the biggest things, and this actually happened, I think it was last week, actually, is a whistleblower came forward. There was actually a historical archivist at the CIA and had stumbled across an internal CIA document that basically was a memo on how they were, going to mitigate and handle the damage that was caused by the Warren Commission to the CIA's reputation, talking about obstructing Congress in our investigation.

And that was an internal memo of their CIA attorneys. And so we're actually in the process of physically getting that memo because that in itself shows that the CIA did indeed engage in a blatant and coordinated cover-up. But we've also had admissions from those findings that the CIA Stonewall Congress, that they lied to Congress, that they had destroyed evidence. We know that the Secret Service was told not to destroy evidence in the 90s, specifically pertaining to JFK and they destroyed it anyways. We know that there was an individual by the name of George Joe Niedis, and this was actually

my personal favorite because the Washington Post was forced to cover this, and we know that historically the Washington Post was a mouse piece for the CIA, especially after the investigation into Kennedy, or the assassination into Kennedy, where they were saying that if you did ask questions, if you did, you know, say, hey, you know, why is the government not not being forthcoming with this information, there might be a cover-up. They actually automatically labeled you as a conspiracy theorist and tried to discredit you. So for the Washington Post to be forced to cover that George Donetes, who is a congressional liaison to Congress, was actually a spy and essentially running an assassination ring for the CIA

is a pretty big admission for them to make. So we do have the evidence that Congress lied, that the, or not just Congress lied. Obviously, Congress was pushing the single bullet theory and actually also too engaged in witness intimidations during the initial hearings with the Warren Commission. But the CIA was also at the same time lying to Congress, stonewalling investigations, not producing evidence. And even though we had both the Democrat and Republican presidents authorized the declassification of files, it actually wasn't until the new CIA director came in.

So director Radcliffe for the first time in U.S. history that actually said, and to his credit, he sat down with me and he goes, you know, I'm not going to basically explain the sins of CIA directors pass and I'm not going to cover up for them and if this is truly what happened the American people need to know and they need to have access to all that evidence so after our investigation is concluded and we've pretty much obtained all the documents we can get at this point we are going to be doing a final report it won't be too many but it's going to be of our findings of those specific documents actually outline what specifically happened with Kennedy and I guess one of the biggest developments that we've had is about a month ago.

I received for the first time in U.S. history the actual wires from Moscow as well as the KGB findings into and looking into who assassinated Kennedy. And, you know, a lot of people said, well, how do you know that this is not disinformation? And this is on a whole separate topic because Congress, you know, up until I picked up the phone and reached out to the Russian ambassador directly, had not talked to the Russians since around 1992. So you would figure that especially with foreign policy and wanting to avoid war, that that might be something that we should be better at, but really until we picked up the phone call, no one had bothered reaching out. And we actually asked for these documents and in an effort

to really help provide context for the American people, they did release those files. And what those documents also show is that, you know, Kennedy himself was actually engaged in a diplomatic, peaceful correspondence with the government of Russia. He did not want more. In fact, he wanted to go to the moon with Russia. So you can see a stark contrast with his foreign policy versus that of his vice president and the military industrial complex via the CIA

at that point in history. So there were a lot of people that sought to benefit from his assassination. And in these documents that were produced by the Russian government, they actually find that it was a political, internal assassination that occurred with President Kennedy, and that was something that we separately came to the determination of internally in our own investigations based on the evidence

that was ultimately declassified by the CIA. So I will say that had Director Radcliffe gotten in. So in these documents, you're saying the KGB's assessment of the Kennedy assassination is that it was an internal political assassination. You're implicating. I'm listening to you, LBJ and the military industrial complex and or the CIA in order to prolong the Cold War where Kennedy had been pursuing a detente with the Soviet Union in some way, and that is what the KGB says about the assassination of JFK. You don't know, to your point, is that Russian disinformation which they're experts in and they're great at, and we should always remember, or is that an honest intel assessment.

Yeah, so to, I guess to kind of correct you a little bit, so correct, they did believe that this was an internal political assassination. And the inference was that it was our own, a faction within our own intelligence community, so the CIA. That was something that we separately came to the determination of. But the thing is, is that they actually reference, so this is not just a report that was handed over with just raw documents. I mean, they actually had referenced historical files, also.

referenced files in our own archives. And so I'm actually handing over the original set of documents to the National Archives to get that uploaded to the JFK fact sheet on the National Archives because they are historical documents. We've also had an individual who is the former national security advisor to Clinton, who actually reviewed the documents and said, no, these are legitimately, legitimate. They're not Russian disinformation. I always, too, somewhat joke with people and say, well, if the disinformation is a

peace campaign, then I don't know how bad that disinformation technically is. But it does come at a serendipitous time. And to be clear, before even the public Russia talks that the president was having or that today, even Jared Kushner and Steve Winf are having in Moscow, I had been coordinating this back in around January of this year. And so we had been promised in January for them to compile these documents that we would actually be receiving them in the fall. And they did make good on that delivery, it just so happened that it was taking place at the time that these public police talks were also coming to a head. So, you know, I'm a firm believer in, you know, in God's timing. And so I think that it is pretty incredible to see the similar contrast with

President Trump and then also the Kennedy administration. But in this instance alone, like you can take the CIA, for example, the director of the CIA, the only reason why we have these files now, even though President Trump has authorized them, is because of Radcliffe. member who our past CIA director was, and even though President Trump wanted to declassify the files, the past CIA director had basically fought with him over it and kept those files hidden from the American people. And so it was really Radcliffe that has been instrumental as well as Tulsi Gabbard in the release of these files. And I actually have a team assigned to me now. So when we do have documents that are outstanding, we can go to them and they can try to round down these documents.

And as you stated, there's been thousands, but there is a select group of documents that researchers have wanted for decades and are now finally able to obtain. And so, yes, to back to what you're saying, though, their findings, the KGB findings, the Russian findings, do confirm what we separately came to the conclusion of is that there was an internal intelligence assassination on President Kennedy. What's also interesting about that is during the Kennedy funeral, these findings, these reports were actually given over to U.S. officials, and yet we never received those documents when President Trump released the files because I believe, and many of our experts believe that those files were destroyed by the CIA.

Okay, just like I followed up last time on Igor Zinoviev, I'm connecting things that you're saying. George Ionitis. George Ionitis. Is that what you said? I haven't read that Washington Post report. Yeah. Yeah, Joniides. Okay, who ran an assassination ring inside of the CIA. I'm presuming that's part of the faction. The implication is that's part of the faction within this theory, the CIA. Well, he definitely, you know, he's a high up guy. He's pretty similar to our version of what James Bond would be, right? He's using double identities.

He's lying to Congress. He's then installed as the CIA liaison to Congress to assist with the investigation. We know the entire time that he's not. He's actually later on awarded this massive award by the CIA. for actually blocking investigations. But yeah, he's a piece of the puzzle for sure. A lot of people also, too, remember, there are many people that came forward and said,

hey, look, there's people that are talking about this small group within the CIA. And then, you know, those whistleblowers came forward and had committed suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head, which is hard to do. So, you know, there's a lot of that. But the fact is, is that you do have this orchestrated effort by the intelligence agency.

And then also, too, I believe some members, members of Congress at the time in the Warren Commission investigations that were actually working in Cahoots with the CIA to brush this under the rug, put a big bow on it and say, this is actually what happened. And if you ask questions, you're un-American, you're unpatriotic. But yes, the implication that I made is that President Kennedy was considered a progressive and a radical back then because he did not want to make war with Soviet Russia. He actually had an open dialogue with them.

And so, in my opinion, it would have been very easy for the intelligence community, especially during the McCarthyism era, to say that he was a communist sympathizer, even though he wasn't, we all know that Kennedy just didn't want war. He was not a pro-war guy. And you can even see that by his position on Vietnam and how within 24 hours of him being assassinated, LBJ sent us to war in Vietnam and is responsible for now the death of thousands of American soldiers then. But yeah, it was, it's an interesting contrast, because you have this administration now. We have now multiple assassination attempts on the president. You have, though, the parallels that exist where if he was in Kennedy's position, you could almost certainly guarantee that those assassination attempts would have been successful because Kennedy did not have the support of his cabinet. He didn't even really have the support of his own vice president. He only had the support of his brother, and we all know how that historically ended as well.

All right. Congressman, I know you got to go. I know you had a timeline. I want to talk about UFOs as well. So let's do that next time, okay? This is all juicy. Yeah, we'll come back. I know, and deserves more attention.

Congresswoman and Paulina Luna. Thank you. Glad to have you on the show. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. There she goes. I want to check in with what you guys have to say as well.

Sarah Jordan says, hey, tinfoil, your argument was strong for sure. Oh, this is back to college football. Yeah. You think, what's the bigger conspiracy? Texas in the college football playoff or JFK killed by a faction within the CIA? Suzanne Nico says, that boils my blood. How have we lost? He can sit there and say that no penalty because the U.S. won.

He's welcome. My family died for those rights. That's Wajit Ali. in response to Wajad Ali, and that sound, that is just absolutely stunning, stunning sound and admission. Things that are called conspiracy confirmed by those who called them a conspiracy. Crystal Newcomer over on Facebook says, this sounds like Black Lives Matter Group. They are still living lavish lifestyle. She's talked about the Minnesota-Somali Minneapolis fraud ring.

and then just looking at a few more of your comments here on all of our topics here today go ahead yeah people are people are pretty fascinated by what anapoleon alunia luna was saying I mean it's just like Epstein or JFK JFK mostly because what can we really know or ever know you know you know But there's just so much. Well, that's the thing about both of them. Yeah.

And we never will. Like, I'm, that's the problem. That really is the problem. Of course, that feeds, look, let's be real for a moment. That feeds the content beast. The mystery that has never solved is, is, you know, quite honestly, it satisfies insatiable curiosity. And yet, the harder part about that is there's legitimate pursuit of the truth. and in both stories, it's pretty clear that the public has been deprived of that ultimate truth.

Okay? I have been to the schoolbook depository. I have stood at the sixth floor. I have looked out that window and I have seen the X on the street. That's what you can see in Dallas. You can see the X where Kennedy was shot. I want to go next time. I'm here to tell you it's a very doable shot.

It is not hard to conceive. the bullet that Lee Harvey Oswald killed that's not the argument is like could it could the shot have been made it's like how could you have made all those three shots in that amount of time with the gun he had yeah yeah I mean to me that and the bullet theory which you can get lost in like was Connolly's seat lower than Kennedy's it was a jump seat you know where were guys on the vertical plane. It's a diagonal shot. You can get lost in a lot of this. To me, the most suspect part of the entire story is not unlike the most suspect part of Jeffrey Epstein. It is a life that does not make sense and cannot be made sense of. And when I, you know, granted with Oswald,

you're talking about the 1960s. It might be a lot harder to put together a life. Today, that's not hard. Our entire lives are mapped. I mean, literally mapped. Everywhere we go, everything we do, everyone we interact with. Yeah. Which, by the way, makes you wonder about guys like Thomas Crooks. Like, we shouldn't be in the dark. It shouldn't have so much little information, but, well, I think Tyler Robinson is still, Vegas shooting great one. Tyler Robinson, I don't, I'm not that, I don't, I don't find a lot of confusion about his life. Maybe I'm not dialed in on all the details enough, but I also think it's pretty early in the investigation. But Vegas isn't early. Epstein isn't early. And when you encounter a life that defies explanation, and then it has all these

odd connections along with it throughout, it's not crazy conspiracy to start going, none of this adds up. So even if I can get Lee Harvey Oswald to the sixth floor of the school book depository, doing the act. Everything that led up to the act deserves scrutiny, deserves explanation, deserves clarity. And his life, Mexico City, Soviet Union, New Orleans, connections to this communist group, to this far right group, all these different things, multiple sightings of him, you know, foreign intelligence reports on JFK, attempting to defect back to the Soviet Union, I believe in Mexico City, none of it is

normal. It makes sense in any way. I just watched the Garfield Geitho Netflix miniseries. You guys know what I'm talking about. America's most forgotten assassin. Charles Guito killed

James Garfield. It's not a complicated story in the end. I'm sure we could create a conspiracy out of it. Maybe there is one that I'm unaware of. I don't think Epstein is either. Like, what?

You don't think it's complicated. I mean, it is complicated in a sense of... Are you kidding me? No, no, no, hold on. It was complicated in the sense of how stretched out it is, but I think a lot of these things we're saying are just true. You know, like, ties to all these people. And I think it overcomplicates when you're guessing and guessing and guessing.

Why? Why and how? How about this? Influence over people? Forget that you have a man with all of these connections. Why do you have a man with all of these connections that are maintained after he's already convicted of child, whatever, whatever the official charges in 2008? Okay. Then blackmail for what?

And blackmail for whom? Right. That's what I'm saying. It is complicated. But I think those are the basis of what's probably happening, which is already out there. what we already think. It's not like this, you know, this huge, I think it is crazy what happened, but I think it's close to what you're already saying. Well, but not unlike JFK, I don't think you ever get to the bottom. I don't think you ever get to the ultimate truth. That doesn't mean

the pursuit is invalid, though. Think about down the road. What does the truth look like? Is it a newspaper article? Is it a congressional investigation that results in a definitive proclamation, is it arrests? Think about what the truth looks like. And whatever that truth looks like, it will either, A, never happen, or B, won't be believed. Like, if it's laid out in its entirety, that truth will never be believed, at least not, I don't even think by a plurality of people, much less a majority of people. Yeah. That's right. And then it creates people like Jim Dandy in the chat that say, I just don't care anymore. You know, like, it's just...

Honestly, I think Jim is in the minority. I mean, I respect that. Jim, there's a lot of things to care about. I know, but like... Overwhelmed by things to care about. Exactly. I respect that. But I think you're in the minority.

I really do. But... Okay. That's going to do it for us today. We're back again, here again. Same time, same place. We'll see you tomorrow on Wilcane Country. Listen ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcasts, and Amazon Prime members, you can listen to this show, ad-free on the Amazon music app.