Will Cain Country - Inside the White House Dinner Attack… AND Who the Gunman Was? (ft. Rep. Marlin Stutzman & Asra Nomani)

Episode Date: April 27, 2026

A another attempt was made on President Donald Trump’s life this weekend, and the internet’s immediate reaction paints a troubling picture of our current political landscape. Congressman Marlin Stutzman (R-IN) joins to share his firsthand account of the moment the White House Correspondents’ Dinner turned into the scene of chaos, and what he thinks of the narrative that Liberal media has turned it into.Plus, Senior Editor of Investigations at FOX News Digital Asra Nomani shares the fruits of her investigation into President Trump’s latest would-be assassin, explaining how a 31-year-old California teacher became radicalized to a point of nearly killing the president, and why nobody did anything to stop him.Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠⁠)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Third assassination attempt of President Donald Trump, this time in front of the media, this time at the White House Correspondence Dinner. A report from what it was like inside the room with Congressman Marlon Stutzman and a deep dive on the would-be assassin with Fox News, Digitals, investigative senior editor, Azra Namani. Cane Country, the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page, but always here. Just hit follow at Spotify or on Apple. Two of days, Dan, tinfoil, Pat, with us today before we're joined by Congressman Marlon Stutzman

and Fox News Digital's Azra Namani. Right before I come on to this program, I have a bad habit in filling the gaps. We all do. 60 second, 120 second gaps. Trips to the bathroom. trips to run an errand of just opening your phone and scrolling. I did so probably three minutes before this show began. And right there at the top of my feed was someone else, this time from the right,

hinting at suggesting, just asking questions about whether or not the latest assassination attempt on President Donald Trump was theater. was staged. We are no longer capable. We are no longer capable of distinguishing critical thought from attention-seeking cynicism. President Donald Trump has had three attempts on his life, and I believe every single one has been accompanied by the idea that tanking poll numbers or flagging electoral hopes would be benefited by an incredible. incredibly intricate, Patsy, willing to give up his life by running through the lobby of the Washington Hilton, sacrificed his life almost assuredly, shockingly in this case, would be assassin Cole.

Allen is still with us, still alive. But presumably that is a real role of the dice, and he's willing to give his life in pursuit of the electoral hope. The polling of President Donald Trump. nothing remarkable so far about this would be assassin. 31 years old from California at one time interned at NASA has taken part in what appears to be invention conventions, but perhaps even less remarkable on blue sky and in his manifesto has adopted basically the mainstream rhetoric of modern politicians on the left. He sounds like Bernie Sanders. He sounds like AOC.

See, he sounds like Hassan Piker. He is unremarkable. He is saying things about not being able to tolerate his hands covered in the blood of a pedophile or a racist or a rapist. Fox News and pretty much every journalistic mainstream enterprise has a policy against sharing the words or manifesto. of assassins. The rationale is sound. The rationale is don't elevate the message. Don't amplify the words. You're giving the person exactly what they want. It's in tension with my instinct, which is transparency and information, and share with the audience the thought process of someone who finds themselves in this position, this 31-year-old from California.

But in this case, his words take on extra meaning because they are largely unremarkable. It is not his message that would be amplified, were I to share with you his manifesto. Rather, what I could and should do is play for you, a montage of Democrats and leftist politicians and pundits because he is the one amplifying their message. I could almost create a work of art in putting his words in his manifesto into a montage of Democrats. And it would have, I think, the profound point. We have crossed the Rubicon.

It is no longer the fear that assassins' words will be amplified. It is now the fear that assassins amplify the words of politicians. This is where we are, and it is on the left. We cannot play a game, no matter what instinct of kumbaya, of both sidesism, of a general climate of heat and political rhetoric. Because it is one side that is killing their opponents. it is one side who is trying to kill President Donald Trump, who did kill Charlie Kirk,

who celebrates the murder of Luigi Mangione. It is one side that has normalized political violence. And that is reflected in every Gallup, Pew, Fox, CNN, poll, increasing tolerance of political violence on the left. and something fascinating to a day in tinfoet is according to those polls the tolerance of political violence goes up with education level as is the case of 31-year-old col Allen the would-be assassin on this third attempt on the life of president trump i think one of the things are sticking out to me today as well is the way we're hearing from journalists i mean this took place right there you know not i'm not in the ballroom, but in the lobby outside the ballroom of the White House Correspondence Dinner. And if you want to see narcissism on display, look at the way this event has been covered by the media. Now, I will say, I'm sure that it's a somewhat traumatic event to hear gunshots outside upstairs from the event when you know that you are the destination for someone

who's looking to come in and take lives. It's brutal. But does that mean you point the camera at your own face? During a shooting, is the instinct to take a selfie video? Is the instinct to have Brian Stelter go on to CNN and talk about therapy? That's what we've become. We're in a sad, sad place when it comes to the media. It's where we're at. I mean, the first thought when something happens, even something as horrible as this,

is to get it on video so you can post it. I mean, it is. And to put yourself in the story. You're not getting it on video. Yeah, you're not getting an video. You're getting your face's reaction to it. Right. Exactly. Sorry. Exactly. You're putting yourself into it is the first thought.

Yeah. That's what we have is a media full of deal as celebrities who are making themselves the star of every story. Everyone thinks the main character and they're all really just NPCs. That's very 2026. Well put. Well put. As someone who thinks he's the main character and his

story. We all do. We all do. That is a concept that predates video games in the NPC main character syndrome. Even before that, people talked about being the main character and the movie running on in their head that you are, obviously. As one would be inclined to believe the main character of whatever it is, movie you are living. Now we can just show everybody that we're literally the main character by filming it as the main character. I am shocked at the number of people I see here who are ready and willing to run with this idea that this is another, another staged attempt on the life of President Trump.

I will say one of the thing that's revealed in these moments, and look, if this makes it seem as though I'm waving pom-poms, so be it, because I do have a personal relationship with many of the people I'm about to discuss. But I do think that there's a level of authenticity that you see revealed in these moments. And to see the Secretary of War Pete Hegseth stand up, not go down, but stand up and protect his wife, stand over his wife, and survey the scene. I think it's pretty revealing about the character of Pete Hegseth. To see Stephen Miller shield his wife as he's shuttled out, I think, reveals the character of Stephen Miller. To see Dana White take a seat up on a perch, unwilling to crash down, and then report afterwards that I wasn't going down. That was effing awesome. reveals the character of Dana White.

He wasn't talking about an assassination attempt on President Trump, but the law enforcement response to this adrenaline-fueled moment was effing awesome. Well, you never know how you're going to react in the situations like you're saying, right? Like most people don't get put in those situations. It's very interesting how your body does that automatically. Yeah, and in those very same heroic actions, I think, are being spun on the left as acts of cowardice. I mean, I'm seeing Ketiva Miller accused of using his wife as a shield, and in fact, he was shielding his wife. I'm seeing people accuse Pete Higgseth of using his wife as a shield, when in fact he was shielding his wife.

This information ecosystem is so poisoned at this point that I don't even know how we're supposed to find any semblance of common ground. And we had this discussion this morning on our morning call. I do think we've, the, the political divide in this country has become so profound and the rhetoric so deteriorated and the existential threat that is your political point so internalized that this is no longer just about President Trump. If we think this is about just President Trump, I think we're being naive. Ask yourself this. If President Trump were no longer president, do you think all of this ceases? I do not. I mean, obviously, this guy has almost three years of presidency left, and that's pretty scary.

If he were assassinated, what would happen to this country? How would we tear ourselves apart? And if he's not assassinated, do you think it just dissipates? Do you think it just goes away? After more than a decade of this kind of rhetoric, this kind of insanity, having been internalized by one side of the political aisle, do you really think that's not just going to be transported over to J.D. Vance, or whoever it may be? You don't think it was already warming up in that moment in 2023 toward Ron DeSantis? I mean, I watched George Bush go from Hitler to now dignified former president.

I saw Mitt Romney go from, you know, a white supremacist to now we wish all Republicans were like Mitt Romney. It's going to go from Donald Trump to J.G. Vance in just the same way. This is not a healthy path. that we're on here for America. But what was it like inside that room? Well, joining us now is Congressman Marlon Stutzman. He's a Republican from the third congressional district of Indiana, and he was at the White House Correspondence Dinner on Saturday night.

We're glad to have him in that perspective with us here today. Congressman, thanks for being with us. Absolutely, well, thanks for having me. So what was it like Saturday? I tell you what, you know, first of all, once we got to the hotel and my staff dropped me off outside. And I had to walk not too far, but about a half a block or so to get to the hotel entrance. And the protesters that were outside were just incredibly, it's nothing like I've seen before.

They're just so toxic and what they were yelling at us was, I just was hard to believe that that's the way they would behave. And I felt at that moment, some vulnerability. Once we got to the gate to get in, I just had to show a card. There was no like security saying, you know, we're going to check your name versus the registry. That was the first perimeter of security. And then once we were inside, I never went even, you know, through metal detectors until right outside the ballroom. I felt like there was a real lax in security, especially for a hotel like that, that people could have, you know, in, which obviously this shooter did.

But earlier this week, the first ladies luncheon was there. That was Wednesday, so security should have been already somewhat in place. And then, of course, when the president comes and the cabinet members, the security should have been a bit higher. But, you know, this is the type of, this rhetoric

about rapists, pedophiles, Epstein files. I think that's, you know, between with that and social media, it's created some really dark places for people to go. And obviously, guy decided to take it upon himself to try to kill the president. Let's take a quick break from this conversation, but we'll be right back with Congressman

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We're still hanging out with Congressman Marlins Dutzman, who was in the room, locked down, in the ballroom at the White House Correspondents Dinner. Let's go back to Saturday night and some of the logistics around the event. I've been to one White House correspondent's dinner. I've been to a lot of events involving President Trump, some small, some large. And I'm trying to remember the varying degrees of security, concentric circles, perimeters, and checks in each and every one of those situations. When it's a smaller event, I think the security feels more obvious and more profound.

In a larger event, obviously, you almost have to reduce the security footprint because you can't logistically process everyone. But I've seen this over and over posted on social media. So to get into the building, you just flashed a ticket or something like that, right? and then I presume at that point you're on the terrace level, which is the level where he was ultimately taken down. But I want to just ask a couple of clarifying questions. Is that all that it took to get that far? And then you went down some stairs into the ballroom area, I presume.

And at that point, they had metal detectors. You wouldn't have had metal detectors at any point prior to that. So when he runs through the terrace, and we've all seen this video at this point, When he runs through the terrace area, one floor up from the ballrooms, what does he had to pass at that point? Nothing? So from my path through the whole hotel, I went down to the red carpet. That's on the lower level. So I came in the upstairs entrance, the main floor entrance, and had to go down the stairs to go to the red carpet area. And it was a cart about like this big. I mean, that was all that it was. that we had to show it, had the information on it.

And I had my card, my pass several days ahead of time. I could have made some duplicates if I wanted to. So anybody that could have gotten a hold of one of those could have made duplicates. That got me inside the first perimeter. Then I got inside the hotel itself. And then there's a bunch of other pre-parties around the hotel, which is all fine, but they should have had some sort of metal detectors. security at the front door. I mean, this is a hotel where people are coming in and out of,

and people have checked in. So everybody that was in the hotel should have been swept. Every room should have been swept, you would think, before an event like this. So I'm, and then once we got inside, went downstairs to the red carpet area, took pictures, talked to media, then went back upstairs. And from the videos that I saw, there were apparently shots taken on the lower level and then on the second level of where the ballroom is at as well. So I'm a little confused and I'm really kind of curious to know what the timeline is of the shooter and where he would have first shot and where he of course entered in just outside the main doors. I was sitting inside right along the main or the center aisle that went up to where the president was sitting

on the main dais. And my. table was towards the back. Those the shots that I heard were like four feet, I'm sorry, 40 feet from me. And they were some loud rounds. I mean, there were some real shots. So to me, I'm kind of curious on the security from a security standpoint, where did those shots go? Who did they, where did they land? Were they lethal rounds, non-lethal rounds? And how this guy survived and is not dead today, It seemed like he was on a suicide mission, and that's what's so confusing, how he just got knocked down. He's still alive. I'm glad he's alive, but it seems like in that case, he should have been shot dead.

It is a little shocking that he is alive. There's an exchange of fire. Apparently, Shigot Service got off several rounds as well, and yet somehow this guy is detained amidst all of this, which are some very fascinating details to uncover on how that all went down. What was it like inside the room? You know, when we see the videos, certainly the video of the president, it looks like at least up towards the front of the ballroom, it takes a while to sort of realize what's going on. Did you know immediately? Did everybody start diving under their tables?

Did people start sprinting for the exits? What happened immediately when this went down? So I was, we sat down the color guard had just left the room after the national anthem. Everybody had taken their seats. And I'm sitting there talking to the lady to my. left, we were eating our salads. And as soon as the guns shot, you could tell it were gunshots. Like I said, they were big rounds. And there was about four shots. It was like pop, pop, pop, pop. And immediately they were gunshots. And so we all looked at each other and everybody just hit the deck.

And we all, you know, climbed under our table. I made sure that, you know, the ladies that were right next to me were underneath the table. And as I was there for a second, it's like, you know what, I want to know is somebody coming into the room and it was chaos. You know, we were packed in there for one. You know, it's very tight at each table to make sure they maximize their space. And where, you know, the drinks and things up on the table are falling over. I mean, plates were crashing on the floor as people were jostling to get underneath the table, under the tables.

And so, but it was quiet. after I stuck my head up and started watching to see what was happening, because I didn't know if somebody was going to come inside the room and start shooting as well at that moment. And so as I started looking up and around, others were starting to do the same thing. Some of the people were taking phones out and, of course, taking video. But no, that moment after those shots went off, it was quite alarming. And my adrenaline immediately was up.

And then my friend Abe Hamaday, he was to the table to my right. He actually had security that was in the building. They were outside. He was outside. And thankfully, he had his phone on Wi-Fi. Mine was not. And my phone was jammed. So I didn't have any ability to call anyone.

But Abe had the forethought to have his Wi-Fi on. And he was able to communicate to his security. And that's how we were able to get out of that room once we were cleared by his security. to get out and then leave the building. I've seen video. It looks like the ballroom at some point is kind of flooded. Of course, Secret Service floods the dais and gets to Vice President Vance and President Trump.

And then you see videos of what I would presume are security details for each one of these individuals. Stephen Miller, Pete Hegseth, Robert F. Kennedy, I see their security details sort of make their way in and escort these guys out. That had to been confusing as well with so many officials with their own assigned security detail that you now have people running in

to basically extract their protected individual. And I would imagine that's a lot of confusion. Was it filled with law enforcement immediately? Yeah, it was. I mean, they were coming in from all different doors and different angles. In fact, some of them were like walking on the tables going up towards a front dais.

And I think they were maybe headed towards our. if I remember right or saw correctly, but you know, there's chairs on the floor, uh, everywhere. And so you couldn't just walk through the table areas. And so some of them were actually just literally just walking over top of chairs and tables to get to where they wanted to go. And, uh, you know, you could see, you know, they, they were going to their assigned person, uh, to be sure that they were doing their job to keep them safe. But everybody else, you know, just laid low. Uh, somebody tried to start channing USA, And it just didn't work, which I was glad it didn't because from a security standpoint,

it was like everybody in the room wanted the security to be able to do their job and to actually communicate. So it was just kind of an eerie silence in the room. And you could, of course, still hear people, you know, there was some crying and people praying. And it was obviously very tense moment while we were all waiting to kind of figure out what was going on. Lastly, I want to go back to this, Congressman, you brought up. I mean, this guy, I think one of the things that stands out to me at this point about this guy is it's remarkable how unremarkable he is in terms of what he is saying. I mean, he is saying things. They're not revealing.

I just said this whole thing, Congressman, we have a policy. The policy is I can't share what he says, okay? I can't share any assassin or would be assassin's manifesto. And the reason is pretty sound. It's like we don't want to amplify their message. We don't want to give them that attention. But I feel like this is in reverse. He's amplifying a message that's already out there that we're hearing from quite honestly elected leaders.

People platformed on television. He's saying unremarkable things we've already heard from people on the left. No, that's exactly right. I mean, you know, the 60 Minutes interview last night, Nora McDonald, actually reading, and, you know, the grossest part of that manifesto. And then just assuming almost that, you know, well, President Trump, he's talking about you. And then when he addresses it, she's like, well, you think he's talking about you. I mean, what a narcissistic approach.

And I just think it's terrible. To put the precise clinical definition on that, Congressman, I believe that's called chicken shit. That's what that is. For her to say that and then go, oh, oh, you think he's talking about you? Just have some ball. If you want to say it, have some balls. Yeah, no, exactly right. And so I think that what we have seen,

just like the Russia collusion hoax, was the narrative that the left was pushing after the 2016 election. The narrative that they are pushing is the rapist, pedophile, the Epstein files. You know, that's what they're hoping they can find something on President Trump.

And it's disgusting. It's sickening. And that, you know, these are supposed to be professional it's some of the most prestigious news outlets, which it's not. I mean, they're actually pushing people this direction. And then you throw that into the social media world on top of that. These crazy people, they read this over and over again,

and they actually start, it becomes their reality. And then they fall into that dark world of all of that in social media. And then they start taking action. I think that that's why you're seeing the political violence actually increasing over the last decade is because the narrative that's pretty. pushed by the left media. And so whenever they make it so personal and go after President Trump, these people, they believe it and they start taking action and they're insistent that this must be the truth. It's crazy that they believe something on the, you know, on social

media before they believe it on TV where there's more accountability. To the question I was asking right before you came on, I'm not even sure at this point is particular to President Trump. I mean, it is in this moment, but I just have a feeling the way that we've conditioned an entire population for the better part of a decade now, this just moves to the next Republican after this. I agree. You know, there is no doubt that the bullets are coming from the left. I mean, Charlie Kirk's assassination, of course, the Butler assassination attempt on President Trump.

You know, the fact that we have to have more security in our district, and in D.C. because these crazies are coming after us on the right. And you know what? We should be condemning all of it. And I hope and pray and I tell anybody that's on the right, that's not the way we behave. This is not, you don't take, you go into some sort of liberal, you know, get together and try to do the same thing. It's not, we cannot tolerate it. But I don't see condemnation from the left either. I mean, even President Obama somehow trying to like, Well, we don't know exactly what his motives were or his intentions were. We know dang well what they were.

And so I just feel like there's not enough condemnation from the left media. And they're actually the ones stoking the fires with some of these people. When I mean, you look at even MSNBC, the way that they were portraying the whole event that, you know, security disrupted the dinner. Well, why don't you tell us why they were disrupting the dinner? and they have this ability to fix the narrative a certain way that those on the left continue just to eat up and they're convinced that President Trump, you know, Trump derangement syndrome is really real, not only with people in California like this guy, but it's also real in D.C. Well, we're glad you're safe, Congressman.

We appreciate you sharing your experience with us. Apologize that's something you had to go through on Saturday night, you and everybody else. But we appreciate you being with us here today, Congressman Marlins Dutchman. Thanks. Well, great to be with you. Great to be with you as well. Coming up, Fox News Digital, senior editor of investigations, Azar Nomani on who was Cole Allen, the would-be assassin of President Trump.

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His words are corrosive and deepens the political sickness within America. people like Kimmel shouldn't have the opportunity to enter our homes each evening to spread hate. A coward, Kimmel hides behind ABC because he knows the network will keep running cover to protect him. Enough is enough. It is time for ABC to take a stand. How many times will ABC's leadership enable Kimmel's atrocious behavior at the expense of our community? What is this in response to? Well, Jimmy Kimmel gave a fake White House Correspondence dinner the night before,

wherein he said that Melania Trump had the expectant or the glow of an expectant widow. This is strong from the First Lady. You don't hear this kind of thing coming from the First Lady. And by the way, here's Brian Stelter of CNN to that. First Lady wants ABC to take action against Jimmy Kimmel. Jimmy Kimmel's the victim here, everybody. Jeez. Jimmy Kimmel.

It's insane. Asra Nomani, by the way, Fox News, Digital investigative senior editor is with us now here on Wilcane Country as well. I think, Asra, you have already begun. I'm going to pull up what you've been doing here. You've already, I believe, begun to look into this guy. Have you not? This would be assassin. The minute the shots rang out and I could see it. I watched on TV on Saturday night. And the minute, the name, came out, I was, you know, doing my own background report and dug up, you know, this trail that we see now, the decade of this would-be assassin in the making. So what do you know? I mean, I know he's been to what he's been to no King's rallies. He's participated. There's also some other group that he was a part of that dates back to, I mean, it probably went defunct in the meantime, but dates back to the 1800s. Tell me more about this assassin. Well, you know, just to start, off the conversation. I'm just going to share with you the mug of tea that my mom made from me. This is a mama bear. Don't wake the bear is what it says. You can't see it really clear there.

But, you know, what you just read from Melania Trump to me is very much the mama bear coming out because she knows that as much as they put a target on Donald Trump, like it is a target that reaches her entire family, including her son. And that is not anything to play with, you know, in this country and in this world. And, you know, Will, I've been so happy talking about this story with you because, as I talked about before, I have seen the consequence of hate and sectarianism on the streets of Karachi when I was there after the September 11th attack. And militants murdered my friend Danny Pearl. in the name of his identity, his being Jewish and American and white. That is the same trajectory

that we're seeing today on the streets of America. That's what I've been talking to you about. And what I see in this young man, Cole Allen, is a man in 2017 who had this really, you know, just interesting wheelchair contraption that he created. It wasn't rocket science, but he ended up. up on the local ABC Seventh, ABC News affiliate in Los Angeles, showcasing this wheelchair that he had, you know, created an extra brake system for, for senior citizens, well-intentioned, sincere kid, really flat affect, just kind of systematically walking through his little break system. Then he literally goes to the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory for an internship that, during that college tenure that he's got,

gets this incredible degree from the premier institution in the United States called Caltech and ends up in a mechanical engineering field with, but ends up, you can see really clearly in his resume that he's stumbling because he holds his job for just a little over a year, which is basically experts say, pass your first major performance review. And then he ends up going into this tutoring position, which is just a little bit over minimum wage

to be paid at this place called C2 Education. I know it well. I sent my son there when he was in high school. And this is the kind of place that hires folks that have had near perfect SAT scores. And the parents that send their kids there, self-disclosure now revealed, are ones that really want to help their kids, you know, get that higher marks in the calculus,

you know, various, like AP history, you know, like the higher level classes, SATs, ACTs. He's had this role. And then Will, you know, he ends up, we now know from his sister and brothers' testimonial part of this far left ecosystem of the No King's Rally that his sister said he had. attended, and his manifesto then includes the same rhetoric of hate that we have now heard on the streets. Right. So that's this journey of a young man now, now facing really serious charges. What about this?

Did you look into, I saw this where he's part of another group. Yeah. And I don't have the name in front of me, but it's a group that dates back to the 1800s. you know, White Awakens, and they are considered, you know, a nonviolent group like they all call themselves. Though they are, you know, in name identical to that group from the 1800s, they're not the same. It's not like an iteration of it. They're invoking that spirit of the old group, but they're artists, writers, creatives that have created, that have established both a political and 501C.

three operation. I'm following the money on them and seeing that they are well funded. They have a strong apparatus like many of these nonprofits. And so, well, they fall into the same nonprofit industry that we've been talking about that are using this tax exempt status to basically put forward into their world a very political message, a very ideological message. And it's not charity work because they are very strongly anti-Trump. They are very strongly partisan.

And so they don't have any of that masquerade of a non-profit, nonpartisan organization that, like, the American Red Cross might have or others might have that are authentically nonpartisan. But the problem is that, you know, with a kid, or I don't even want to say a kid, but like a young man, who has lost his way, just like I have seen the pipeline in Islamic extremism. We are now seeing it in leftist extremism. And that seems to be the trajectory that he was also on. So reports are that some 10 minutes on Saturday night, or not 10 minutes,

but I believe it was by 1030 on Saturday night. his brother sent the manifesto to a local police department somewhere. Maybe it's Connecticut, New London, and then it makes its way up. I don't know if the manifesto was also in his hotel room where he was checked in at the Washington Hilton. But obviously the brother had gotten this manifesto at some point. Was this guy leaving obvious details now? that someone should have known he was on his way to do something terrible ahead of the thing? Yeah, you know, he alludes to lying to his parents about going for a job interview

and then embarking on this Amtrak journey across the country with his weapons to do this, you know, assassination attempt on Saturday night. I think that the signs seem to have been there from those days earlier when he, He was, you know, exhibiting the hate that President Trump has said he has had against Christians. We can't know right now whether or not the acts of, you know, the violence that he was about to do was predictable. But certainly seems that the journey that this guy was on is definitely one that should have had red flags for his family if he's going to just disappear and go off somewhere. The guns were being packed, as you probably have read, in his home. And so the family seems to have really clearly seen that he was on a path of radicalization.

They definitely have, you know, sent that message to law enforcement that there were red flags along the way. And that is really, to me, the point that we should also take from all of this is just like Melania Trump said, you know, this is a slippery slope of hate. And when you have a cacophony of hate that ends up targeting human beings, there are people who will take that as a mandate and also a morally just mandate to act on those, you know, hateful words and rhetoric that you have expressed. And that's exactly what this man did is he said he was acting in safety for the country. So he thought he had a moral imperative to go rush into the Hilton and try to do violence. Apparently he was active on blue sky, the ex-alternative for the left. Have you had a chance to look at what he was posting on blue sky? Yeah, I did look at it.

I studied it. And what he has been posting is the same rhetoric of demonization of the Trump administration, Donald Trump himself and Republicans. And this is where the Democratic Party leadership really has to recognize that that rhetoric has serious implications. I think, you know, well, what happened for me is that after September 11th, as I mentioned, I was in Karachi and my friend Danny Pearl was kidnapped and murdered in the spirit of the this hate that was being taught to young men against Jews, against Americans, against whites. And the men that murdered Danny laid down their prayer rug and sanctioned their murder by divinely. So they thought that they had a moral imperative to do what they did.

In the same way today, the Democratic Party in the far left have made this an exorcism. potential threat to the United States if Donald Trump remains in power. You know, they have equated him, as you know, to Hitler. And so that rhetoric then has created this moral imperative among so many people to do just the craziest things, including this rush into the Hilton. So, you know, the thing that really brought it home to me is that three of the names that this man called Donald Trump are exactly the same words that are used again and again against Trump on the streets by these activists and on blue sky by their weak their keyboard warriors

pedophile rapist what racist no um so they call him a traitor they call him unfit rapist um and then pedophile, like you said, and then moron. And so the three words that he used that are exactly the same are rapist, pedophile, and then I think Trader was the third one. I'm going to just check my own. Well, let's take that for a moment. So one of the reasons that I ask you about is blue sky and then the breadcrumbs. Like, could someone have known?

I've seen the manifesto. If you got the manifesto ahead of time, you know he's off to do something. So I think that's worthy of some real questions. Who got the manifesto and how far ahead of time did they get the manifesto? But short of the manifesto, the things that he is saying do not make him different than literally tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of other Americans. So like, even family members, if you're seeing someone say this stuff, I mean, I don't know. Is that somebody that's ready to do something awful? My point is this language is so broadly used and pervasive

that I'm not sure it sets off any alarm in anyone's head. This guy, he's gone off the deep end. He's headed for something really bad. Right. But if you're going to be a morally just person, then you must recognize that the rhetoric and that language is going to ultimately be corrosive. you know, in both your personality, your character, your spirit, and then perhaps your action.

I mean, there's this, but this quote that I love that, like, what you think is what you say, what you say is what you do, and what you do becomes your character. So if you have in your rhetoric all of this language of just demonization and dehumanization, what does that reflect about your own spirit and your own being? And Will, you know, I've always called myself a classic liberal, and the reason why I departed from and really saw clearly the problems of the far left and the Democratic Party in this kind of rhetoric is because these are not words of liberalism. You know, these are not words of humanity. They are illiberal words. They create an illiberal character.

And, you know, you can't see it really well, but anyway, it's good perhaps. The words that he used is, I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile rapist and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes. So he used three of the words that are literally on T-shirts will. They sell T-shirts with these words. And this is what Cole then repeated in his manifesto. And that is exactly what happens with indoctrination and radicalization. And you just need one or two or three characters to pick up those words and make it violent to then make it a societal terror. And I think a lot of people were terrorized Saturday night, including a lot of Democratic politicians and a lot of democratic leaning journalists.

And so they should know better. And they should recognize the target will come for them. Let's take a quick break. But continue this conversation with Osir Namani. Fox News, senior editor of investigations on Will Kane Country. Great news. The federal EV rebate is back. Eligible customers get up to $5,000 with the federal EVAP rebate on select 2027 volt and 2026 Equinox EV models. Visit your local Chevrolet dealer today for more details. Amazon presents Jeff versus Taco Truck salsa, whether it's Verde, Roja, or the orange one. For Jeff, trying any salsa is like playing Russian roulette.

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What, you know, you began telling us a little bit more about this guy's background. And that he seemed pretty smart. Yeah. Like, I don't know, at least book smart, you know? Yeah. What a dumb, what a dumb plan? Oh, so. He bum rushed and didn't get very far.

I mean, he got far as he did because security, by all accounts, was not very buttoned down. So, but his plan is just bum rush past security all the way down into the ballroom. And then we see in his manifesto that his plan is not just to take out Trump, but to take out, you know, members of his cabinet, high-level people. I'm not sure he gave names. Did he give names in the manifesto? But he basically said he wanted to start at the top and work his way down. Right. And he, you know, and he had humor in his manifesto, said, oh, yeah, I told my parents I was going for a job.

And little they know that it was to get on the most wanted list. Like he had, so there's a lot of it. a lot of insights to be gained from studying the rhetoric of his manifesto. I know very intentionally that nobody ever wants to look at it and have anybody replicate it, but we can draw lessons from it from a literary forensics perspective. He was strategic. He had humor. He had sarcasm and strategy, including an assessment of his own on the,

the quality of secret service protection. But as my mom put it, he may have been intelligent, but he was very stupid. And he definitely had a plan that was not going to have the successful outcome that he was seeking, thankfully. And even you could see there's just some clues, well, that something was not a correct happening, you know, well, with young,

this man because like I said, that wheelchair contraption that he created was literally with the piping that I've used for my own son's birthday parties to create, I don't know if you ever know marshmallow guns, but you like create them and then you can shoot off marshmallows. It's PVC pipe. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't impressed with the invention. Exactly.

It was a PVC pipe break on a wheelchair. Yeah. And some people even suggest that it might like fail safety regulation standards, you know. So, but he got there. He was like one of the 12, you know, inventors showcased in this little event. He graduated from Caltech, which would not be easy to just, first of all, you get in and then to graduate with a degree. That's not easy. But at the end of it all, he ended up as a tutor, you know, a decade into this great degree that he had and got his master's also successfully in computer science, which is not easy to do.

So maybe he was book smart and street dumb. That is certainly what it seems like in terms of his operation. Osra, there's a lot of this going around. Shockingly, it's also coming from some places on the right as well now. But I'm going to go over Facebook and read you a comment from Andy Lucas. He writes, it's all staged BS. Ralph Childs responds to him. Andy Lucas, who fold your full?

oil hat. And the answer we know is Patrick, my producer. But Patrick, I don't think believes this is staged. So I shouldn't even bring him into this conversation on that. But there's a lot of people talking about it being staged, Azra. Yeah. And so I want you to know that I was on the chat rooms of all of America's enemies, telegram, signal, WhatsApp. And minutes after the shooting was heard around the world. they were starting with their conspiracy theories and they were starting with their pushing the narrative that it was a false flag operation. So this is the language. This is again why studying the language is so important because we're seeing it with a guy in America on Facebook, but he is just parroting the false flag operation conspiracy theories of America's enemies. And they are pushing it out into that it becomes a collective conscience. collective consciousness.

And if nothing else, it kind of lowers people's, you know, concern about what created this would-be assassin, what responsibility they have to avoid creating another situation like this. And so they are working hard to push this false flag narrative from interest groups and and propagandists across the world who want to see America destroyed. All right. Azra Nomani, senior editor at Fox News Digital Investigations. Yes, Asra. I know you always like to be predictive.

So I want to also bring to your attention, you know, what we'll be coming out Friday. It's going to be May Day, which is, you know, a holy day for the communist network. And what we will likely see is the same rhetoric, repeat it again and again. and we'll probably see signs, you know, repeating that kind of false flag narrative, because it will be in their interest to try to continue to lower America safety and security. So watch out for Friday, and we'll be covering that at Foxy's digital. Is there a big protest? Yeah.

There's going to be protests across the country. Go to May Day Strong and you're going to find the one in your local neighborhood will, and I'm sure you'll want to join it. But they are telling you to take the day off work. So I'm sure you'll send that memo around. But why is it important is because the same actors will that we have been studying and talking about, like the People's Forum, Party for Socialism and Liberation, and the entire No King's Network, including the Democratic Socialists of America, will be out on the streets pushing their propaganda against America. All right. There you go.

We'll be looking for that. And your reporting come this late of this week, Thursday, Friday, I presume. Yeah, exactly. I'mani, always good to see you. Thank you, Will. Thank you, Asra. All right. Patrick, I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to bring you up with this guy suggesting it's all stage. It's just that Ray brings up who who fold your foil hat? And I'm like, well, that's tin foil hat. That was my first thought. It's his job. I'm glad you said it. Yeah. I mean, I don't think I didn't consider it. but I did dismiss it eventually. I consider all angles.

Man, oh man. It's like on these stories, Tyler Robinson, this guy, it's like we're supposed to do everything, but listen to the person who did it. You know what I mean? Like, this guy laid it out in his manifesto, to the point of whether or not he sent it to somebody, he must have written his manifesto like on Saturday

because he checked into the hotel on Friday, and in the manifesto he talked about the lax security of the Secret Service. So he'd already sort of like it, I presume, scoped it out in some way. And I don't know if he did a dry run or what he did. But the manifesto seems to have been written after he'd already taken all that in. And just before he tried to pull this off. Go ahead, Dan. No, I was just curious, like, because of all the rhetoric that you're saying is coming from the left,

what's the solution? What, how does this, how does this stop? How do we stop it? I mean, it just lives chronically online and just turns into many different avenues and ways and people find their own echo chambers. And, you know, how does it come to a head and this kind of thing stops? Okay, step one, step one. So what we're going to wrestle with through this conversation is a obvious, real deep belief

in the First Amendment and not just the First Amendment. but a culture of free speech. That I believe those are two different things. Okay. There is speech protected by the Constitution from action by the government. And then there is a culture of free speech where we tolerate things that people say in the belief that in a marketplace of ideas, the best stuff will rise to the top and the worst stuff will be exposed. Step one. I agree with the first lady.

there must be reimposed a sense of responsibility within those that provide paid for large platforms. Now, I'm not into this, like, you platformed this, you platformed that, right? Like, in other words, if I had on somebody with a noxious view, you know, will you've platformed them. But ABC paying Jimmy Kimmel and giving him a gigantic platform to do something that has gone well beyond the bounds of decent. and responsibility is the first filtering mechanism that should be re-examined. And I'm not just talking about ABC. I'm talking about everybody, right? Like, at some point...

It's the most in your face thing. A president of every media company. You know, I've told this story. So I'll tell a story again. I remember when I was at ESPN and we had a problem where a lot of people on ESPN began to use X for political. opinions and it had blowback on ESPN, right? They said things that had blowback within the audience and, by the way, also probably the NFL and some other place. So he began to say things, right? And step one, that's way beyond the bounds of what you're hired to do. You're hired to

talk about sports. And this business that you work for is about talking about and celebrating and enjoying sports, right? So he has a... We have this meeting and there's like 25 of us, maybe 30. It's talent. And then a few executives, okay? And the purpose of the meeting was kind of like, how do we develop a policy that we can all abide by that says what you can and cannot say that you can live by?

And I've told you guys this. I only had one contribution to the meeting. I raised my hand at one point. And I said, there is no policy. You can create no policy. Because what you're asking for is everybody to have good judgment. And the implication of what I'm saying is

there are a lot of people in this room who simply have very bad judgment. Okay? Judgment cannot be legislated. It cannot. It's like you know, there's some dogs you just can't train. That's the truth.

Yeah. Okay? There's just are. And you can't take a person with bad judgment and create a policy that's going to make, turn them into a person with decent judgment. You can't. And so you made a mistake when you hired these people with bad judgment. That's the truth. They should not be here. They cannot be reformed. You already made the mistake. You have to go back to square one. So how did I get on this? Oh, all these presidents

or media companies need to start asking themselves about the quality of the judgment of the people that they have employed. You know? Ratings. That's the main thing. People, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Which, by the way, that's a, that's a dangerous fire you're playing with. Well, shoot, we're in this business to get ratings, right?

Yeah. And so they're saying things that get attention until they say things that turn off attention, right? And you can see that. And I would suggest to you,

if you look at most people that have a media platform, just a big one, meaning a paid mass distributed platform, but even on X or somewhere else, right? The people that rise the fastest with the most outlandish takes also crash and burn in a relatively short arc because they keep going for that same currency, right? Their currency with you is not the truth. It is not insight. it is a tension. And so in order to continue to get it, I have to keep pushing that envelope.

And so if you look at the arc of relevance or fame or whatever it may be, it may go like this really quick and really high. But I would argue it has an inverse relationship in that you will come down at the same rate at which you went up because that's what you're doing. You're just trying. So if an executive is going, well, You know, Sunny Hosten drives ratings. The focus group suggests that the people like when she says crazy shit and our ratings go up.

My argument would be, A, have some decency and responsibility. B, that's great until it's not, until she burns down your entire enterprise. Then why did you have it not even? That's the talking point. Right. I think ESPN experienced that. I think they experienced that whole arc, right? I do.

But that's square one, Dan. I think square two. I do think the government has a role in looking into, for example, we just had Ozra on, some of these organizations and what their purpose is and what they're saying to advance that purpose. You know, Hollywood spent 50 years villainizing Joseph McCarthy. You know, 50 years. McCarthy was on to something. That's the truth. He was right.

He was. Yeah. The entire enterprise had been infiltrated by communists, okay? with direct ties to Soviet Union-related Marxist enterprises. Not all of Hollywood. That's not to say everything. Not all. But it definitely had.

The modern left has as well. Okay? It has. And so you start asking yourself, like, what is the enemy of the people? Right? And if there is legitimate, coordinated, organized, funded operations to take down America from within, Is that protected by the First Amendment? But the craziest thing is they think the opposite.

They think they're doing the thing to be the friend of the United States, to write the ship, to bring it back to the way it should be. If you talk to that, the dichotomy between the two things are insane because they think they're so right in what they're doing. Yeah, I don't doubt that. Well, at least the mobilized foot soldiers. But you can't stop them from saying whatever they're doing that. want to say. I mean, you can't. It goes against the First Amendment. You can. Eugene Debs went to

prison. Do you want to start doing that, though? I mean, do you want to start being able to shut down protest because they're saying the three words that this shooter did? I mean, it's a tough road to go down. I mean, it's either that or I mean, like, do you want a Bolshevik revolution where we don't stand up? Do you think these people and Birkenstocks are going to actually do that? I'm not saying all the boomers are going to do it. I'm just saying. And, you know, when we allow certain radical fringe groups. Right. And it starts online.

Like never really seeing them. I think websites. But wasn't the point. The problem, Dan, is this dude, by all appearances, analogously, was just the dude in Birkenstocks a year ago. Okay? He was just that dude at a no king's rally. He was just that dude posting stuff on blue sky. But how many people turn to violence that did they say this stuff in private and do these things?

Unfortunately, too many. But, right. It's not done. You're right. You're right. It's not one. You're right. And it's awful. But it's not the majority of people. How many people that you know say horrible things in your real life that don't actually act on them? What do you do with the polling that shows that large, large, large segments of the left are now okay with political violence?

See it as a legitimate tool. Yeah, absolutely. I think people answer those emotionally. I don't think any of those, not, not. So you may not be the guy that says, who writes a manifesto and wants to pull a trigger, but you're okay with that guy being around. And you're okay with his goal. I mean, that's, not you.

I think that's an important viewpoint, yeah. But there are some people like that. And it's in, but not all the left. What the poll suggests is not just some, man. It is. I think it is actually just some. But when you have a poll, when you're just clicking a button or something or ask a question, I think people are more likely to answer those things.

emotionally and things they wouldn't actually believe in themselves. But full transparency with the audience, we had this debate in our morning call, and Dan was outnumbered. Because everybody else said this, said, and I can't speak because not everybody that was on that call is here with us now, but like, we actually know people in our lives who are the normal people you're talking about, who have said terrible things about Donald Trump. like regarding his life and death you know well wouldn't it be better for the country

oh you know what aboutism they said the same thing about whatever what i'm not talking about natural death sorry i don't mean to laugh but i know you're talking about you're saying um facebook says marie joy alberano says lately watching all this division in america is like watching a weekly episode of dallas or other weekly sagas And that's what it's become. And I don't think it's going to, I don't think it's going to go away.

I don't know how this is fixed. I don't think Donald Trump going away. I disagree with that. You think it's all about Donald Trump and once he retires? Mostly, yes. For example. I think the TDS you talk about a lot is true. And people are directly honing in on their hatred for Donald Trump, the person.

I think a lot of that does go away once he is not president anymore. For the most part, not all, but for the most part. No. Inverse it. 70 to 80% of it will go right over to J.D. Vance. I don't. I see. If he's the opposite.

I think literally the opposite. I think it's 30% of it will remain. Yeah. I mean, they'll still won't like Republicans, obviously, if you're a Democrat. But this type of level of dislike for a human being, these people seem to have. I think that goes with that person. But I've seen the curve go from Bush. I've seen the curve go from Bush to Romney, to Trump. Republicans are the same thing with Democratic president. With Obama, with Joe Biden. I mean,

it's the same thing. They're more consistent. I think conservatives are more, Republican is more consistent, and they're disliked for Democratic politicians. But I think this is an outlier. Dislike is not what we're talking about. We're not talking about dislike. But I think the hatred for Trump. No one talked about Obama or Biden the way the left talks about Trump. They did not talk about him that way.

You're absolutely right. You're right. Nazi pedophile, rapist, totalitarian, authoritarian. That's what I'm saying. Nobody talked about them that way. I just think it's directed pointedly at the man in charge right now, specifically him. The rights rhetoric goes like this.

Joe Biden is senile. He's not really there. He's being run by some far leftists within his administration. He's a Trojan horse now for a radical DEI administration. Obama is a socialist. This is the kind of stuff that you heard. You did not hear. And do you not see a difference between that and what we hear now about Trump?

Yes, and that's what I'm saying. It's more pointed towards Trump, not just a Democratic administration. They're not just saying they hate the Trump administration. I will tell you this. I think it will be different. Patrick, I know. This guy went after the administration. Yes.

You what? Oh, yeah. You mean talking about Hegseth, RFK. Right. They hate. Who else? RFC. Tulsi.

Who will probably not be in their positions if Trump's gone, maybe. So maybe that'll go away as well. I don't know. I just have an overwhelming feeling. I will tell you this, Patrick, I think you agree with me more. I think there will be a difference in the way the left responds to J.D. Vance versus Marco Rubio. Yes. I agree with that.

Do you agree? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I think Rubio has a history as a neocon. And he's not as tied to Trump now. Now the left is neocon. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know. Which is really just originally leftism in the first place. Hmm. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, Neocon was kind of out of leftism, by the way. Yeah, that's interesting. I think they would hit Vance probably harder just because of his Silicon Valley ties. I think with Vennel.

There wouldn't even be a slowdown. No. I think with Vance, there wouldn't even be a slowdown. With Rubio, it may go down to the 30. sent the dance time out and then it would ramp back up. They'd find their things with Rubio. It would just take some more time. But with Vance, that's locked and loaded. They're ready to go with that rhetoric on Vance. You've already heard it. You've heard people talking about he's worse than Trump. I still don't think, I don't think the rhetoric can go back, though, even if Trump is gone,

because it's still going to be Trump's policies or, you know, them carrying water. And I also think that demographics have changed and shifted to where we have more radical people in the country who are going to keep parroting some of this stuff. But you can't say, they won't be able to say those same words about J.D. Vance that they did, like this guy in the manifesto. That's a big difference. I mean, the biggest

things they call out do not carry over to J.D. Vance. No, that's not true. They'll say he's what, they'll say something about the big tech connection. Stephen Miller. Yeah. They'll talk about immigration, big tech. Well, the big tech stuff will come from the right. The

immigration stuff will come from the left. I mean. But those aren't the mainstays of what they're saying about Trump. The only mainstay about Trump is that it's personality-based, to your point. They just hate him as a personality. Yes. And in fine.

But that's why they say Vance is worse, because they say he's actually a believer in these ideas. That's what they're saying already. Yeah. I don't know. I just, I'm around it a lot. And that hatred, that rhetoric is directed pointedly at President Trump. right now because there's no room. That hate towards Trump boxes out everything else, okay?

Right now. But once Trump is there, they've got a dark open spot in their heart waiting to be filled. It doesn't just go back to healing. It doesn't just go back to normal. Yeah. And it's filled by whoever takes Trump's. place. Go ahead, Patrick. This is the voice

of the people here in the country. I just want to wish Suzanne in the chat at happy birthday. Wow. Happy birthday. Yeah, on a happy note. Yeah, happy birthday, Suzanne. Bringing the country back together. It is on a happy note. Yeah. That's right.

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