Will Cain Country - Is Anyone More Famous Than President Trump? (ft. Shannon Bream)

Episode Date: March 6, 2026

In another laid-back Friday edition of ‘Will Cain Country,’ Will and The Crew debate who the most famous person in the world currently is (and which one is the most likely to appear on the show), react to 'Ask Me Anything' questions from you, ‘The Willitia,’ and examine the concerningly high number of men who are unknowingly raising a child that isn’t theirs.Plus, Will sits down with Best-selling Author and Host of the ‘Livin’ the Bream’ podcast, Shannon Bream to discuss the rise of faith in young people and her latest book, ‘Nothing is Impossible with God.’Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠⁠)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Who are the five most famous people in the world? Did two of them not meet this week in the White House in Lionel Messi and Donald Trump? Plus, one in ten men without their knowledge are raising a kid who is not there? We deal with that. Before talking to Shannon Bring, the author of Nothing is Impossible with God. It is Wilcane Country, normally streaming live every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern Time at the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page, but you can always follow us at Spotify or on Apple. It's been a little bit of a rough week.

After all of the negativity and hatred regarding the exchange between me and General Jack Keen this week, my nerves have been a bit raw. And I'd be lying if I didn't say at times my confidence a bit shaken. We worked through that in Tuesday's episode here of Wilcane Country. But as is often the case, when you take a lot of bullets, and you do your best to dodge and bob and weave. After a good amount of time, the random stray bullet is the one that really pisses you off. Oh, no.

And so, yesterday, when Inter-Miamy visited the White House to meet with President Donald Trump, and this represented in my mind a massive moment, an incredible television experience. In that, you had two of the most famous people in the world together in one room from two very different worlds. The soccer world is not, in large part, the world of America. And the soccer world is often, as we have talked about, coded left. So it was fascinating to me to see Lionel Messi and President Donald Trump side by side together. as President Donald Trump honored Inter-Miamy on their championship season in the MLS.

And then I get this message, okay, on Facebook. I'm going to read it to you guys from a Greg Maloney. You opened your show today telling us you would be covering Donald Trump and someone named Messi, spelled with a Y, like the word messy, you know, who in your mind, is equally well known around the world. I'm 65 and have known who Donald Trump is most of my adult life. Apparently, this messy guy is a soccer player. The only soccer player I have ever heard of is Pele.

Not everyone's priorities are the same as yours. Wow. And fellas, this one got my blood boiling. I don't know why this one got under my skin, but it did. because the projection is 180 degrees in the wrong direction. He is suggesting that I'm imposing my priorities and favorites on the rest of the world when in fact it is his lack of priorities and ignorance that is dictating what he sees as the world. And it got me thinking about the most famous people in the world.

So in order to open that discussion, I would say to you, this, Greg, There is a way to objectively measure who are the most famous people in the world. And there's a combination of factors we could use to quantify that. You could look at Instagram. You could look at curating. You could look at General Street name recognition globally, because I did say, in the world. And there is no subjectivity to the objective fact that Lionel Messi is easily a top five most famous person in the world.

And debatably, debatably, and this is what we're going to get to here today in just a moment, the most famous person in the world. It is very, very, very possible, and we're going to work through this together, that Lionel Messi is the most famous individual on the planet, Greg. And so in your 65 years in America, which I love, and I bleed red, white, and blue, that patriotism does not require me to be ignorant of objective facts that exist globally. So in fact, it is your priorities that dictate,

or seemingly trying to dictate reality. So when I say you're looking at two of the most famous people in the world, that is fact. That is a reality. And I'm sorry if that reality displeased your subjective knowledge of the world, Greg Maloney. Now, to the actual fun part of this conversation, let's do this, fellas.

I think it's fair. Let's just start with this proposition right now. Linal Messi and Donald Trump are both two of the five most famous people in the world. Do we agree? Yes. Yes. I'd say Trump is one. There's someone more famous than messy, though. Yes. I know who that is. Okay, hold on. Let's fill out our top five and then let's see if we can rank it. Okay. This is, tell me if you would disagree. In the top five most famous people in the world, you would have, I think I could do. all five pretty quickly. Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo who are the two most famous soccer players in the world and generally considered to be the best two players in the history of soccer. Donald Trump

probably Vladimir Putin, probably Vladimir Putin. And Taylor Swift. Wow. Do you think that's right? Do you think that's right? I'm looking at a list right now and you just nailed it. No, I don't want lists and stuff.

I just want our conversation first, okay? Don't bring AI into this. I was just curious. Who are we missing? Like, if you had to, if you made me guess, Elon. I think there's a chance. Oh, Elon could be up there.

Yeah. But I don't think he's bigger than those five. No. You're the top of 10. Well, yeah. But like Jordan used to be like 20 years ago. It's huge across the world, China, Asia. LeBron James is absolutely.

LeBron, I will give you that I think Elon and LeBron are in the six to ten range. Sure. I do not think either than be the first five that we named. Here's one I think, though, that we might need to consider. And of course, America won't count in these rankings. And that's the key, Greg. We're talking about the world. So the world is a very big place.

We are roughly 330 million people in the world. And, by the way, we have an outsized cultural influence. So whoever is famous here is more famous than you would be if you were in another country of 330, million. So, you know, Tom Brady is more famous globally than simply being famous in America would suggest because he is famous in America. But on that note, is there like a Korean K-pop star? Because this is now, I'm way outside of my skis. But I do know that K-pop is like really popular, right? Like, it's not in America, but it's not just a Korean thing. Isn't it kind of everywhere else but America?

Like, is K-pop a thing in Europe? Yes. It's specifically with younger people. Like, Sai gang and style, Sai is huge, still. That's not K-pop, right? Is it? Yeah. No, it's not K-pop.

He's Korean pop, yes, he is. It's not what Will's talking about. You're talking about boy bands. You're talking about K-pop groups. Yeah. K-pop's a specific style, isn't it, as well? Sure. I was under the impression. Like when I think of K-pop, I think of female artists.

Aren't there some, like, who would be the biggest K-pop star? I know, I know Dan has said it's Cy. There's groups. But isn't there, like, some female artists? They're gigantic? They're all serving in the military right now. BSO or something? BTS.

They're the biggest ones, the group. But they're in the, they're... I feel like I've heard that before. They're serving right now. So they're not performing. You know enough to know that. I do. I don't know why we question him.

You know, there's another element we have to factor in here. And that is there are a lot of Indians. And there's somebody in India. And I don't know if that's a cricket star or a Bollywood, Bollywood actor, actress. But you're going to rack up sheer numbers just by being famous in India. But I think other countries' stars influence in India a little bit higher, maybe. So in other words, take your biggest cricket star and he's less famous here than Tom Brady is in India?

I would say so. That's in because I don't think many people could name the world's biggest cricket star, assuming he's from India. I don't even know what in America. No one could name him. But if I walk the streets of, you know, whatever, Mumbai, you think I'm going to find some people that know Tom Brady? I would say so more than we would know who the cricket star is, yes

But I think a sport that you're sleeping on is golf So like I think Tiger Woods Probably has a lot He's not top 10 I don't think so Maybe at one point Maybe not now But like I do think that golf is massive That's like big in the Middle East

With live and all that kind of stuff I do think that there's a lot of global I honestly you're gonna hate You're gonna hate this but bad bunnies up there top 10 worldwide globally really yeah dude is the number one selling artists in the world

literally the world okay but here's the test okay let's let's pick the far reaches of the globe right I don't know what that is some some country in Africa no

see that's the thing so we're going to go to some random country in Africa okay and we're going to walk out into the rural areas. I'm not talking

like tribesmen villages, but not the biggest city either in that African country. Suburbs. And we're going to go to a town. We're going to go to a town of 50,000 people in Africa, right? And we're going to walk in and we're going to say, do you know Mr. Beast? And I think the answer is not

very high. I don't think you're going to get a lot of yes. I think they would know Mr. Beast over Taylor Swift. If they have the internet. Dude, you underestimate how big he is on the internet. There is a whole world that we don't even know about. Like you said, influencers, like all these famous girls that have 20 million whatever followers and YouTubers are huge. I don't know.

But if we're in that African country, you know, where they're still wearing Buffalo's Bill's Super Bowl champion T-shirts. You know what I mean? That's my favorite story. I love that. You guys, everybody listening, that's what I'm talking about, right? Before the Super Bowl, they always print the T-shirts of, like, the Super Bowl champion, and the losers' t-shirts always somehow get sent to Africa. And Africa's walking around in an alternate reality of Super Bowl champions that always had lost.

I want to get the Notre Dame 2025 national champions. If we go there to that place where they're wearing those t-shirts, they know who Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi is. Oh, God, yeah. Without a doubt. Without a doubt. Without a doubt. Yeah.

Do they know who Donald Trump is? I think they do. Now, yeah. I think they do. Before he was president, probably not, but now that he's president, absolutely. Well, yeah. But he's famous before he's president, so. Putin?

Do they know Putin? Only because he probably did arms deals down there. Yeah. I think, Patrick, I think we're right. I think those are the five. And then I think that Elon Musk and Tiger Wool. and LeBron James are beginning to fill out the 6 through 10 range. But you disagree with our top five, Dan.

You wouldn't put Taylor Swift? No, I would. I agree completely with the top five. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think Taylor Swift is easily. All right. I know who number one is. It's obvious.

Okay, let's do the ranking. Okay, you think it's obvious. There's a metric. I think it's Rinaldo. I think Rinaldo is number one. He's the most followed human being on social media and the history of social media numbers-wise. And social media isn't everything.

I know, but it's not everything. It is a metric. It is a metric. But I think Ronaldo is probably more famous than Messi. For whatever reason. I don't know. The big personality. People would know.

My mom would know who Ronaldo is over Lionel Messi. Yeah. And then I think two and three, in my mind, is a debate between Messi and Trump. That's what I think. It's those two at two and three. and then I would say I may give Tether Swift 4 and Vladimir Putin 5

That might be how I would guess the top 5 I actually agree Which I know is isn't very exciting But I think you're spot on Okay and then And then I'm not going to rank 6 through 10 But we also the name so what did you get Now go to your list, Dan

Who did you get? Okay Number one Christiane Rinaldo Number two Lionel Messi Number 3 Donald Trump Number four, Taylor Swift. Number five, Vladimir Putin. Oh, we nailed it.

Nailed it. And is that just social media? That's just famous people. Metric? No, no, no. It's just famous people all over the world with a bunch of different metrics. They had Elon Musk coming in six.

Xi Jinping coming in seventh. Yeah, we forgot China. China. China. The amount of people. I don't think, I don't think. I mean, but he's racking up numbers just based upon the size of the Chinese population. I don't think most people in the world

can name the leader of China. I don't think. Beyonce are on this list as well. The Rock. Yeah. Wait, so you're telling me on this podcast, we've had two of the top 10 most famous people in the world.

Yeah. That's incredible. Yes. Yes. If you had to guess who the most likely next top 10 most famous person to get on this podcast would be, would you guess?

Would your guess be? Cristiano Rinaldo, because I don't think Messi speaks English. He definitely does. He pretends. Christiana Ronaldo. Vladimir Putin. Get Vlad on. Or Elon Musk. Elon, for sure.

We have the absolute best shot of him. I don't know. I mean, you met him. Messi lives in Florida. I live in Florida. We could literally do it. We could literally do it. here in the studio. Yeah, it's a little, it's a little disappointing

that we haven't had Elon Musk to be honest. I know. I'm like, how haven't we? I didn't used to work for him, okay? I'm not Katie Miller here. Wow. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with tin foil patent two a days,

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Welcome back to Will Kane Country still working through a variety of topics, including your questions with tinfoil Pat and two a day's Dan. All right. Do you want to do the ask me anything from the audience or do you want to set us up for a topic, Patrick? What should you ask me anything? Because I don't remember what the topics were. We have the clips of Steve. Yeah, because it requires the least. work for Patrick in the given moment.

Well, I was prepared for the Ask Me Anything. We'll do a few, a couple of them, and then we'll go to the next one. So let's go to, we'll go back to the one we did number two last week. We asked about your favorite interview question, and we got an answer for that. But Elise Winters wants to know, have you and the Secretary of War been able to hang out since he got his new job, would you have taken a job in the administration if offered? The Secretary of War and I have only gotten to hang out once since he's, oh, no, twice, I guess, since he's taken his new job.

Patriot Awards in my visit to the Pentagon. So when I went to the Pentagon for the day, we hung out. Well, we had lunch together, just two of us in his office at the Pentagon, which was kind of awesome. and then we were joined at the end of lunch by General Dan Raisin-Kane. So that was pretty fun. And it was, when you say hang out, it's when it's not Secretary of War Pete Hegg-Seth and Fox News is hosted the Will Kane show Will Kane. So you're asking me like when we're just Will and Pete. And even though we're in that office, we pretty much got to be that.

And then at the Patriot Awards, yeah. Rachel, our friend Gavin, who works at Fox, Pete and I all got to hang out after the Patriot Awards for an hour, hour and a half backstage after it was all over and just catch up. How many people are around him now at all times? Well, not in his office, but at the Patriot Awards, yeah, there's Army Security. Like how many are you talking? Like a detail, I mean, in the room, probably two. And then outside the room and then outside the perimeter and on and on. That's wild.

Yeah. Yeah. I just thought of a story, but I don't think I'm going to tell that story. Probably don't. Mary Ann, on that same note, asks, you have some really great interviews, Will. I enjoy your show. I don't really have any questions for you right now about you or your show, but do you have to know any really nice guys you can connect me with?

Thanks, and I appreciate it. Marianne, looking for some matchmaking. We're all taking Marion. Well, I got Ed over here, but he's recently married. Yeah, these two guys are married. Do I have any single buddies right now that are escaping my mind? Ryan Rosillo from ESPN. Now, where is Ryan at Barstool?

This is an interesting question, actually. As a guy, when you get married and you start to have kids, do you start to hang out with your single buddies? less, would you say, on average? I don't hang out with anybody. Like, do they get kind of like... Most unsurprising line of the week.

Like, I feel like they get pushed out a little bit. By the wives or like, you know. You can a little bit. Like, here's what I think you do with single guys. It becomes hobby-oriented. So golf. If you want to get together and play cards are, I'm a big fan of Domino's, 42 and Moon.

Then you can do things like that, but you really start doing the double date a lot, and that's with other couples, you know, maybe or maybe not married, but with other couples. The wife might get worried. And then you do this new thing. You do this new thing, which Dan hasn't experienced yet, and Patrick says he doesn't do it. Your new friend group becomes the parents of your kids' friends. and that totally reshuffles your social order. It's like it's the weirdest thing that no one expects,

and it's not by design, and it's not like, you know, throughout your life, you develop your friends organically, you know, when you're young, and then, I don't know, maybe a fraternity sort of shapes your friends through college or something like that or a team. And, but it's the first time in life, like, well, maybe it's like going back to being an elementary school where it's organically like we're all here together you know who's going to start hanging out yeah and but it's a little decided for you with and by who you're well and then

there's that dan there's the yeah the husbands and there's that whole thing yeah it's forced well right sorry if they're watching and you got to find a good match but you know it's a little forced and once you get to the kid stage that's where i feel like that's where i feel like the single buddies really start to be sidelined. Drop off a little bit, yeah. Everybody starts going their own ways. Once a year golf trip or golf. Hugh, Jorgon says, favorite metal band and song.

All right, I can do this. I didn't think you could, so I can do it. You don't know the middle. You don't think I can? Well, it's not going to be, it's not like I'm going to take a B-side. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's where I'm going to go, most likely. I mean, if you say give me the catalog, it's Metallica.

But I can give you a song in particular that I like that is not as much mainstream. And that would be Mother by Danzig. Not really metal. Wow. Not really middle, but yeah, okay. That's not metal? No. That's not metal?

That's punk. That's not punk. Danzig and misfits are punk. Mother. Tell your children not to come my way. That's not even close to metal. That is not punk. I could play some real metal.

Ramones is punk. Agnostic front, hate breed, madball. That's metal. Okay. All right. Did you see the picture of... Something very uncool about that. Never mind.

I know. I was being a gatekeeper. All right. Janet Steele says, love your show, but it would be amazing if you could dress more like Texas than you do. Just saying. Well, what do you have in mind, Janet?

A bolo? Yeah, you have to wear a cowboy hat and a bolo the whole time. Head like that. Yeah, cowboy hat on the news. I mean, to be honest, I agree, Janet. And that was the original conception. And I'm not going to lie to you, there was some executive meetings about this. Really?

Like, how it will... Well, yeah. Like, there were certain contingencies. were like let will dress himself dress like himself a suit at this point in my life is not unlike myself i mean i wear a suit so much that it's become very like i i remember the stage that maybe both you guys are in like you put a suit on you're like oh my god i feel like you know you're walking around stiff or something sure i wear a suit so much that it's it's i feel normal how about that in a suit but there was a debate about the tie

because I did consider not wearing a tie. The general consensus is when you're delivering news, particularly at 4 o'clock when there's a lot of breaking news, that a tie is a sign of respect and to continue. There have been Fridays where I felt like the news isn't so driving. There's not a war or these types of things. And I have shed the tie on Fridays. But that doesn't make you Texas.

The thing that I have done only on a few occasions that was also debated is boots and jeans with, you know, a blazer. And tucked in white. I have done it. Button down. Yeah, of course. Texas oil tycoon look. And I like that look and I would love to do that more.

So Janet, you're not going to see it much unless I go to the wall and walk around, right? You don't see my lower half that much on the show. So I told you. Except when you said awkwardly on the chair. I told you like with Jimmy Kimmel, when he was doing the Jimmy Kimmel show, they went, tieless. They did a bunch of things where they changed everything radically. And then the audience didn't like it. And they gradually went back to what the audience is used to. So Jimmy Kimmel wears a tie today when he didn't start. So it's like you almost have to like work it go the

opposite way. You have to like start one way and then shed it over time if you're going to do it. You don't start with, to your point, you don't start with radical change because you end up morphing back to the norm. You start with the norm and grab. gradually move to change. Exactly. Which is 100% true. Becky Sims Hunt says, can you take your show on the road in Texas, of course, for those of us that live here? We are taking our show on the road.

That was broken. That news broke to me, right? And it is going to be in Texas. Am I right about that? Yeah. There's new news about it, too. Is there? It's getting bigger.

There is? It's getting bigger. This will be news to me. This will be news to me. I know. Maybe I should tell you off air. there's going to be not just Not just our show will be there

But another certain 4 o'clock show might be there As well Another certain Like Cudlow? No, your show TV? Oh, my TV show

Yeah So it might be a dual Dual Duel banger I don't know Maybe they can book for us Hmm But it's gonna be great

Live studio audience hopefully musical guests What city? In Dallas. It's like right down the street What city? Can you say? Your city.

It's like 10 minutes from the studio. Nice. All right. Angie Bronson-Echelman says is authoring a book of requirement to work for Fox? You know what's funny about this question? I don't even know if it's sarcastic.

I don't know if it's sincere or sarcastic. Our next guest. So let's start with sincere. No, it's not a requirement. Let's get to the sarcasm. And you're talking to one of the few Fox News hosts who have never published a book. Do you feel out of the club? It's, what? Is that accusatory, Patrick? Yeah, well, I've said in the past. Let's figure something out. We've got to get your book to write. And then like a topic, an idea. We've come up with some ideas. We've thrown some stuff around.

But also, um, you know, there's ghost writers will. You don't have to do it all yourself. You don't have to lift the whole thing. We just got to, you know,

that's generally frowned upon. If it were up to you, it would be a conspiracy. No, that's what Pete did. What, I got to call him out like that. No, Pete didn't do that. He did it like with one of them. No, yeah, but I'm saying like,

with one of them. Yeah, you have a co-author. They help you with it. Yeah. Yeah. It's still your book. And your ideas. I think Patrick's asking if you can write a book for you. I don't have, I don't want to do it.

I have ideas. I've told you guys, like I, you know, this is an example of paralysis by analysis for me. Like, I don't want to write the book of like Will Kane's view on the world right now. I just don't want to write that book. I feel cathartically like I get that out between my two shows, you know. I want to do something with history. and you know I'm not going to do what O'Reilly did or Kill Me did but I do like the idea of looking at history and seeing the stories first of all that tell the American the true vision of America but what also means about who we are as a people and the challenge for me is like what what guys do when they do this is like they write about the biggest figures George Washington Abraham Lincoln John F. Kennedy because of course that's the those are the biggest stories and those are going to sell things. for sure. And I'm attracted to the stories of the frontier. And I feel like the America that I know

and how I view America is defined by, in my mind, the brave, adventurous, sometimes outlaw, people of the edge of America and the frontier. I feel like that spirit has been personified from the pilgrims all the way through the frontiersmen. And I love their stories. And I gravitate to I gravitate to Kit Carson, the Comanches, the Texas Rangers, the Sioux, General Custer. And I do love the conflict of civilizations between Westward expansion and Native Americans. I think it's just fascinating to no end. I find Texas history very fascinating, too, by the way. I didn't know a lot about it until not that long ago.

I mean, even the book on that would be crazy. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with tin foil patent two a days, Dan, here on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country still working through a variety of topics, including your questions with tin foil patent, two days, Dan. You know this week was Texas Independence Day. We didn't do anything on this show, but I was really a shame. Yeah. Yeah. But, wait, wait, didn't you already write a book? Ed, what's the date?

March 6th. What's the date? March 6th. That's the Alamo, right? Today's the Alamo, I think. The Alamo? It's 13 days. We forgot about the Alamo?

I know what Texas Independence Day is. That's March 2nd. It will. Is today the day that the Alamo fell? March 6th? Yeah, today's the day the Alamo fell. February 23rd through March 6th. Today's the day that Santa Ana finally took the Alamo.

Dan, do you not know the answer to that question? Independence from what? Not really. Mexico? Really? Come on. You can do it. Yeah, from Mexico.

Right, Ed? This is when Texas beat Mexico. Yeah, 1836. It's not that long ago, to be honest. And a free and independent republic for almost 10 years. To just the beginning of 1846. You guys going to break off again? At which point we joined the United States of America.

that that that that that story is amazing dan it's a it's a little mini revolution i would love to learn more about it same same it's it's it's in the microcosm i don't know if the american revolution has an alamo type story but uh sam houston's retreat do you know how tex do you know this the the way texas won the war not really okay let me just tell you the quick story because i think it's pretty fascinating right the mexicans come Completely outnumbered the Texans. Like, size of sheer army wasn't close. And that's why they overran the Alamo.

The Alamo was like 132 guys, I think. That's a hip. And the Mexican Army, yeah. And the Mexican Army was like 2,000 to 3,000 guys. And they held them off for 13 days. And famously, William Barrett Travis, the commander at the Alamo. And this part might or might not be mythology, but drew a line in the sand a couple of days into the deal with his sword and said, every man who crosses over this line will stay and fight to the death with me here at the Alamo.

If you don't want to, don't cross this line. And every man but one crossed the line. But that one was sent out to go spread the word to the rest of the Texas Army of what was happening at the Alamo. In the meantime, after the Alamo is overrun, Sam Houston, who is the leader of the Texas forces, retreats. It's called the Runaway Scrape. And Santa Ana chases him. And he's running.

He's running. He's running for like a couple of weeks, I believe. and trying to gather up more army town to town. And this is the part I can't remember the date of. I'm going to say it's in May, but the Battle of San Jacinto. So the Texans waited until the Mexican siesta, in the middle of the day they took a siesta, Santa Ana and all his forces.

The rumor or myth is that Santa Ana was sleeping with a prostitute who has since been referred to as the Yellow Rose. So you've heard, have you ever heard the Yellow Rose of Texas? Yes. Or the song, The Yellow Rose of Texas. That's her. She's with Santa Ana. Were the winds named after him?

They cross over the river. Huh? The Santa Ana Wins? No, that's California. Well, I don't know. There's a city in California named Santa Ana, and the winds come from there. Now, why is that city named Santa Ana? Santa Ana, I don't know.

but or they blow through Santa Ana. Yellow Rose. But they charge. They charge. While he's with the Mexicans. Yeah. And the whole army is taking their siesta, which is a cultural tradition. And, you know, Mexican and Spanish culture is to have that nap in the afternoon.

And they slaughter them in like 15 minutes to Texans. Santa Ana runs off, dresses up as a lowly soldier, takes off all his military garb, takes them a couple hours to find him. find him in the woods, they bring him in, capture Santa Ana, and they win the war. And then they negotiate the treaty that gives Texas its independence. What's the name of the treaty? Pretty good. Oof.

What is the name of the treaty? It's not Guadalupe Hidalgo. That's what gave America all of the southwest in the Mexican-American war. I don't know. Treaty of San Jacinto? Treaties of Alaska. Velasco? Oh.

All right. There's your lesson in Texas history, which you do not anticipate. Is there a good book on that? Maybe you should write it. Brian Kilmead wrote one. I wasn't going to say those. And the Alamo Avengers. Didn't you write a book, Will?

You just publish that? You know, I'm not publishing that. I'm not going to publish that. In breaking news today, yesterday, friend of the program, regular guest here on Wilcane Country. Yes. Oklahoma Senator,

the man with two names, Mark Wayne Muller. has been appointed the Secretary of Homeland Security. Department of Homeland Security. Christy Noem has been fired. Epically. Mark Wayne Mullen is now head of DHS, which means we're probably not going to get him anymore. Right?

No, we have a great relationship. He's very friendly. He was going to be marriage advice like two weeks ago before he came on the show. Yeah, I texted him yesterday. I don't know if he's going to be on Tuesday. That's for sure. But I got to check in. I highly doubt it. I doubt it.

You know, though, who we could get in. Today on the Will Kane Show, I will have Senator John Kennedy. I'm thinking I'm going to get blown out by President Trump today, who's doing a roundtable on the future of college sports, Tiger Woods, a lot of big Nick Sabin, going to people are going to be there. But presumably I can get it in, I have Senator John Kennedy, who asked the question that did in Christy Knoem about her $200 million ad campaign where she's prominently featured, whether or not that was approved by President Trump.

She said, yes, reports are that that really upset President Trump and was the sort of straw that broke the camel's back on a whole host of what they feel like are distractions to a lot of successes at DHS. A certain personal relationship, yeah. That's what the New York Post said. But that's not new, Dan. Yeah, but that's not new.

That's been around. Yeah. So all of these things. It's been around, but it got asked in that, in that hearing by, I believe. And that company that was used for that contract or something, like the $143 million. There's a few things.

I don't know about that one. Yeah. But Senator John Kennedy, who when asked today to be on the Will Kane show, said, I love Will like a brother. So maybe we can get Senator Kennedy on, in Mark Wayne Mullen's previously scheduled spots. Yeah, I've been talking between them, so, yeah. I still think back to that tour he gave us, the Library of Congress was pretty sweet.

Yeah. Wasn't that awesome? Yeah. That was really cool. I told them to play that on TV yesterday. That was really cool. He said he'd never seen Ilan Omar, or for that matter, any Democrat in the Library of Congress. It wasn't the Library of Congress.

It was the Congressional reading room. Oh, sorry. Was it? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay, one last thing I want to talk about today before we get to the incomparable Shannon Bream, who's going to be joining us here today. Um, there's a stat that stuck out to me in our conversation with Dr. Deborah Soe when we talked about AI robots, sex, sex extinction, right? And there's a conversation, a portion of this. Ed, I hope you're paying attention to this. So I asked Dr. So, well, is there another option besides the idea that people are going to stop getting married and start having long.

term relationships with their robots. So I asked her, what about the idea of the robot being additive to the relationship? I'm not advocating. I'm just saying, is it polygamy if it's a robot, you know, or is it better? Better question. Marriage aid. Is it cheating? Is it cheating if it's a robot?

And so I asked her that, something like that. I didn't ask her. I said, we're going to have to have really deep conversations about the concept of fidelity. And she said that she thinks men and women will have different responses to that. And she said, women might be more forgiving or open or accepting of their husbands, you know, seeking a relationship physically with the robot. But that men would have a bigger problem with women. Okay. And here's why she said this. They already used things. Being with their robot. Here's what she said. Why do people have a problem psychologically deep down? Forget religiosity, just instinctually

psychologically deep down with infidelity. And it is women, their biggest fear is being left, is abandonment. It makes sense. You know, I have kids, I have to provide for them. I need security. I need safety. We're going way back, right? We're going to cave mandates.

Is she prettier or is she better? Two partners sought in a relationship. Well, but only, only to the extent that it matters if he falls in love with him. Exactly. So in other words, a woman could more easily forgive a man for cheating if it were simply physical. What's devastating is the love side of it and the abandonment side of it. of it. That's the devastating part of it. And that's not to say that women would not, you know, would forgive men for just cheating. Of course not. But psychologically, this is the major

motivating factor. Now we get to the interesting part. Men, what they worry about when it comes to infidelity, this is Dr. So, and this has been banging around, and this is interesting. men deep down instinctually over time what they're guarding against when it comes to infidelity is being cuckolded okay when she said that to me at first i'm like okay that feels like a modern term you know what does that mean she said it's men with an instinctual fear of raising another man's child and that's why she said this you ready get ready I haven't googled this to see if it's true, but I do trust Dr. So. I've been telling you this. There is research. There is research that says one in ten men are out there raising another man's child without their knowledge.

Without their knowledge. Don't nod like that doesn't surprise you. Don't nod. That is shocking to the point of unbelievability. Shocking. You're telling me if I take a cross section, I don't even care out to one ten. if I took a cross-section of a hundred dudes I know, a hundred, that forget the 10. That's insane.

Five. I would just said one in a thousand. Five are raising a kid that's not his and they don't know it. Yes. Which means, obviously, that she cheated on him, got impregnated, did not tell the husband that it's not yours, and they just go on with their life. And I'm just going to do one more thing. I'm just repeating what Dr. So said. She said there are stories.

Now she's not doing research. Now she went straight to stories of twins. Twins. That's crazy. Obviously fraternal, not identical, who have different fathers. Because it's split. The familial father figure doesn't know. Right?

Do we buy this? Ed is nodding. And Patrick, you seem to buy this too. One in ten guys out there are raising a kid that's not his and he doesn't know it. I don't buy this. I know it's true because so what happened is they thought it was like 2 to 3% okay. Then they started doing this ancestry stuff with Ancestry.com and 23 of me. And they started piecing it all together.

They actually have the evidence, the statistics backing it up, DNA evidence. That's not your family. That it is 10% of these births are. I would have said one in 2,000 maybe, one in 5,000. Yeah. I would have too, Dan. Like maybe not. one in 2000. Maybe

1 in 500, I would have said. You just got to hope that the guy you cheat with looks like your husband because that it'll be a huge problem. Yeah. Because then you're going to know. That is mind blowing. Mind blowing.

Oh, we have a recessive gene of blue eyes or something. Tell me that's not going to send a bunch of dudes listening to this show going home looking real deeply at their kids and saying, does he look like me? Does he look like me? Hey, Charlie, come over here. Let me look at you.

Why did you say Charlie? Why? Damn, Dan. Oh, sorry, I didn't mean you're... Very insensitive. Sorry, that was the first thing that popped in my head. I don't know why. Like, come over here.

Let me look you in the eye. See, John or something. I'm going to slip a paternity test in here. I said, I was joking with Patrick. I think I was texting. I'm like... Patrick, you've got seven kids. You literally have seven kids.

Yeah. I'm just saying. I'm just doing all. I'm doing numbers here. I'm doing odds. I feel pretty confident. I'm getting DNA tests in the hospital if you have a child. I'm pretty confident.

They're mine. I need it on the spot. Baby comes out, test right away. Do they do that? Do you have to ask for that? Yeah. You probably have to ask for that, right? I mean, sir, why are you asking for this so soon?

Imagine, let's go to this. How would you react? like hypothetically you are the cuckolded person oh I would do I would how old is the kid doesn't this being honest older doesn't this have to do with how old the kids is kid is yeah so like if you're saying it if it's like a three year old you would leave and not rear the child as if it was like 20 I just think it would have a massively different emotional impact like 14 versus three you know You know, you've been raising and, um, okay.

What? I got a text. Not for my wife. This show is alive. What's going on? This show is alive. She did get mad at me. She did get mad at me about the Devereuxo conversation.

She's like, you made me look really bad. I'm like, how did I make you look bad? What are you talking about? She's like, you said, oh, all these wives nag on you and make you do this and that. Why wouldn't the robot be better? I was not talking about you. I was talking about like, you know, the dysterely, stereotypical dude story.

I don't know, Will. Asking for a friend. Oh, man. All right, I think we need a good cleansing now, a good spiritual cleansing after this dirtiness. And there's no better cleansing than having a conversation with Shannon Bream. Coming up, Shannon Breen, the author of Nothing is Impossible with God on Will Cain Country.

Getting ready for a game means being. ready for anything. Like packing a spare stick. I like to be prepared. That's why I remember 988 Canada's suicide crisis helpline. It's good to know just in case. Anyone can call or text for free confidential support from a train responder anytime. 988 suicide crisis helpline is funded by the government in Canada. Shannon Bream, the author of Nothing is Impossible with God. 11 heroes won God, endless lessons in overcoming the host of Fox News Sunday. Is here, what's up, Shannon? I'm so glad to see you in person and see this beautiful, cool situation you have here in Dallas. You're in D.C. We would see each other in New York.

Does it feel like I probably should take the pulse of the company that I am out here on an island, that I am an absentee employee? No, no, no. We love it because we feel like you're with America. Yeah? You know what I'm saying? Like you're getting the heartbeat. I love all the different guests that you have on set that I'm like, Texas has a lot going on. Texas does have a lot going on. People come through here. one of the things that people may or may not realize is that a lot of politicians, national politicians, come through Dallas, Dallas, Fort Worth, because it's a gigantic money-raising center if you're running for office.

So a lot of guys come through here, knocking on doors, holding their hands out of. I mean, a lot of big things come out of Texas. And so I just want us to be prepared for whatever's next. Does that require living in Washington, D.C.? Part-time. Part-time? If you're the president, I feel like you can make the call. Yeah.

A lot of presidents don't spend a ton of time in D.C. How much time did George W. Bush spend on his ranch in Crawford? Exactly. I don't think the answer is a lot. That's why I just thought. Well, no, no. He's less than many of them. But we've had recent ones who are in Delaware a lot.

And one that likes Mar-a-Lago and Camp David. So you don't have to be in D.C. You're very plugged in. You're very plugged into Washington, D.C. How much time do you think, like just on a percentage basis, Joe Biden would have been in Washington, D.C., versus in Delaware. Now, people will be able to quantify this, so I'm going to get it wrong. It felt like he wasn't there a lot.

Because even when he was in D.C., we weren't getting interaction with him very regularly. So he could have been there more than we felt like he was there. But he's been a lot of time in Delaware. Like, I'm just going to guess. DC 70% of the time? I think that's generous. Generous. No, I think that's sad.

But again, because we weren't interacting with him as much, it felt like he wasn't there as much. And maybe he was. How much time do you think percentage do you think present trouble? at Marilago? Not. I mean, he does most weekends, but he's always working. I feel like any president can work wherever they are, and they're always working. You're never off the clock as Commander-in-Chief.

But I feel like he does a lot of official stuff down there hosting foreign dignitaries and businesses in hosting big meetings and that kind of thing. So he would probably argue, hey, I'm still working. But most weekends, he's flying to Florida? It feels like it right now. Yeah. I would do that in the wintertime. I would do.

Camp David, you brought that up. That feels like he doesn't use that a ton. Did Biden use it? Not that much. I don't feel like it gets used that much. Yeah. So the original intent of Camp David was to have a not very far away getaway for the president where he could still work, but it would be sort of his weekend or maybe a week here and there type of getaway.

Yeah, but it's a place that's got a lot of room so you can host people when you're trying to negotiate things, treaties, foreign groups, whatever. I mean, you can host a lot of people there. And sometimes I think it's just a place to get out of D.C. and have strategy meetings, that kind of thing. but it doesn't get used a ton. Did, I feel like? When is the last, who is the last president that really used Camp David? Before our time? You think so?

No, I mean, I feel like, Bush? I feel like, W. Bush? Yeah, and Reagan and those guys, I feel like, you know, it was closer home. They had some big stuff to handle. I think, you know, probably there. But it doesn't feel like a place that President Obama or Biden or Trump spends a ton of time. Right. You've been on Air Force one.

Mm-hmm. Have you been on Marine one? I have not been on Marine One. Have you? No. Are you one upping me? No. I've not been on Air Force One.

I have been on Marine One in the Reagan Library. So it was used. Yes. It was used as Marine One, not current Marine One. There's no one upping you. I've never been in the Oval Office. Well, like I said, when you're president, don't forget about me and just invite me in and be like, bring. You're going to be adversarial media.

I know how it is. You're going to have a lot of difficult questions for me. I feel like you'll be able to answer them. I'm not worried about Will Kane ever being able to answer. question. I'm not. I feel confident. This is, is this your second book in your focus on faith? No. Third? No. What number is it? Four. Four. Really? And I had one before that. Maybe it's second in my time at Fox. Yeah, maybe. It might be. Yeah. How many have been like gigantic bestsellers?

All of them. Thanks to our, yeah, thanks to our people. All of them. They have, thanks to our viewers and our listeners. And the thing is that I always like to say when I'm out speaking, especially to, you know, faith-based groups and stuff is like, I'm not sure the New York Times wants to put a faith-based book about Jesus or a book from Fox Books on number one, but they've had to do it because our viewers. I know the one, the previous one that has been during my tenure at Fox, I saw how, I mean, it was huge. And that's our people. I mean, there's definitely an audience for this and Fox gets that. There are a lot of people of faith and people who aren't even super religious, per se, but they need encouragement. And that's what these books are. But do you think you've seen,

okay, so four books, this one's brand new. Nothing's impossible with God. Through the first three, did you see, and there's a lot of different factors that could come into play, including marketing, to your point, and that maybe in sales, if you're using that as a barometer, do you see an increased interest in faith? I did, and that first one dropped during COVID, and I think people were so open then, because they were so frightened. We were very isolated.

For a lot of people, it was an excruciatingly tough time. And I was doing Fox News at night at that point. And we would have nights where they'd say like, hey, just add another hour or two. You know what that's like. And we'd be like, okay, let's call some doctors. See if we get some doctors on. We started having pastors and faith leaders and people on because people were so frightened and discouraged. We started doing like nightly Bible verses.

Like there was no pushback. People were really open, I think, to faith during that because it was such a vulnerable time. And the book just went crazy. And I think it because people were open to faith. Well, we see, and you've probably done it on your shows, I know that I've done it on mine. you can look at a Gallup poll or broad scope of America and see the religion is on the decline. Formal, like organized, I think. Formal, organized religion on the decline.

But that is not what I have experienced in my personal life. Now, there's a lot of different things that could be influencing that, including where I live to the start of this conversation in Dallas, Texas. Not just amongst my peers, but notably among my kids and their peers, I feel like I've seen a research. of religion. And that is the group that's going to church more than almost any other group is the younger people. I mean, they're definitely searching. I think Charlie's ministry and then his death, I think had a lot to do with that. The people are like, okay, I want to check this out. What was that all about? When we think about his memorial service, I mean, my goodness, it was all about faith. It was all about don't miss out, be ready to go. Charlie was so young.

And I think that resonates with a lot of people. But, you know, we've been tracking this unite movement that's been on college campuses all across the country. last couple of years, Tanya Pruitt with that group had a vision. She was, her husband is one of the basketball coaches at Auburn, and they were mentoring some kids there, and it just kept growing and growing and growing. Now she has colleges lined up and waiting for her to come. And you guys have covered this, you see this, that there are massive baptisms, thousands of kids showing up, just hungry for something authentic. I think that's what it is. Like there's so much phoniness and fakeness over social media of the last couple of decades. I feel like young people are looking

for something that's not empty. I think that is true. I also, and I I am trying to be self-aware about whether I'm seeing things through the prism of my personal life, and I have two sons. I don't have daughters. I feel like I'm witnessing a resurgence of faith among young men. Now, I don't know if the data backs that up, but that's certainly my experience. And the now Secretary of War and I used to talk about this, that the influence of someone like Charlie made attachment to faith and the explanation of religion a bit more. masculine. And I grew up in the church. I grew up going to youth group. But I will say, I think that in a lot of ways, the messages of Christianity, at least through the messengers of our time,

made it, I don't want to say feminine, but it made it lacking in masculinity. And I do think there is an attraction in whatever now, how it's being presented, it's pulling in more young men. I think you're right. And I've heard this criticism of the church a bit that church will, was made very flowery and very women's conferencing and that the guys in some way were feeling like there wasn't a direct connection to them, that it was softened in some way. I think with Charlie, what they heard was, you can be a man of faith, be a leader, step up, be a husband, be a dad, all of these things based in faith. And so I think young men, yeah, are hearing that something more attractive to them, especially when you know the last couple of decades we've had these

messages that masculinity is toxic. It's a negative thing. We should not celebrate that. But I think that there's a role for that, just like with anything, can get off the rails if you take it to an extreme. So I think for young men to now hear somebody like a Charlie, and there are many, many members of this administration, as you know, who are very open about their faith, step up and say, it's making me a better husband, a better dad, a better leader. I think they're getting that message. And it's my generation, I'm Gen X. It wasn't really cool. It wasn't really cool, though. I mean, you're Gen X. I see you pumping your fist. I don't think in our time, it was there.

We grew up. We went to church, but the counterculture was to do whatever was cool. Whatever was cool was not centered around Christianity. It's taken some place in our culture. And when you were talking, I was thinking, did Charlie help popularize something to make it cool? And I don't know if I, he certainly had a massive influence. I don't know if that's all the influence of Charlie. think the administration and their openness towards it also makes it it's not the word I don't want to

use is acceptable because I think there's something more more of an attraction more of a positive pull than simply acceptability where kids are saying this is actually part of the image of what I think it is to be cool I agree with you and you know I asked Erica about that last time I sat down with her and said was Charlie the beginning or the end of something like where what was that and she's like I think there's already been a revival going on in this country like the seeds were there and Charlie obviously was a big part of that and that hopefully will continue moving forward but I agree like when I listen I grew up going to a Christian school K through 12 and so for us everybody was kind of on the same page like you know your teenagers you do crazy things but like

youth group was fun we had trips we did stuff that it was kind of you know it was the place to be but I don't think that there were a ton of people out there screaming like I'm a Jesus freak I think that that has changed over time think about like 60s and 70s there was kind of that Jesus revolution where it had this huge spike out in California and the massive baptisms there in the Pacific Ocean. And there was a lot that happened in that decade. 80s, I think, were more about consumption

and, you know, that kind of Wall Street and greed is a good thing. I think that kind of flowed through the 80s. But I think we've cycled back around to something where people want more authentic and they feel like faith can be that. But it's happening fast. So you bringing up when not Charlie was the beginning

or the end of something is pretty interesting to think about because Charlie's rise really coincides as well in a moment where we saw a rise of a different kind of masculinity for just a moment to indulge this conversation on masculinity the Andrew Tate vision of masculinity the

the alpha male vision of masculinity which is good but how you define that alpha male and it's still there like I don't know if you're familiar Shannon because I have a 14 year old but like clavicular and looks maxi. Oh yes. Do you You know what those things are?

I read the whole piece in the New York Post or excuse me, New York Times on this, on my plane on Sunday. And I was like, oh, my goodness. Yeah, I'd heard about this guy. And then I read the whole looks maxing and all that stuff. So, yeah, that's a totally different lane. Yes. But it's a lane that is out there for young men. Yes.

And it is an alternative. It is the path a little bit of Andrew Tate. I'm sure that many people listening don't know who we're talking about, but clavicular is like this really good looking younger guy. And like looks is everything. And looks as everything. And here's how you make. make it work for you and here's how you leverage that and you should be trying to look as good as you possibly. And that's what looks maxing is. It's to sharpen the jaw line, mew all you can,

you know, whatever. Make fun of other people. What is the thing that they, I'm forgetting the word where you stand next to someone. Mogging. Yes. Like, yeah. I learned a lot of new stuff from that article. All right, nothing is impossible with gods. What you've done here is you've taken 11 heroes from the Bible. And what I found fascinating about this is that you take characters that We are very familiar with from the Bible. You talk about Gideon and Moses and Peter and Joseph and Daniel and Nehemiah, but you put their story into some of the struggles and the language that we use today to talk about our struggles. So, for example, Gideon's imposter syndrome. Anybody that's ever been involved in certainly anything public knows what that is, imposter syndrome, right before we go on air.

We all have a little dash of it. Am I an imposter? Yes. Am I really good at this? Welcome to the Will Cain show. Social anxiety. Moses is social anxiety. This is a really interesting way to talk about modern problems through the wisdom of the Bible.

So let's start with Moses and social anxiety. Yeah, he did not want to. When God comes to him in a burning bush of all places, he tries to have this argument with God. Like, nope, not me. I'm not good enough for this task that you've called me for. You know, over time, a lot of theologians and analysts will say he had a stutter or some kind of speech impediment. So when God's saying to him, first of all, you're going to go to the Israel, the people of Israel and tell them, hey, I'm going to get you out of Egypt. And you're also going to have to go confront the most powerful man in the world at the time.

Pharaoh, you're also going to have to give him a speech to tell him why he's going to let all the Israelites go. I mean, that had to seem overwhelming. And so he had a lot of anxiety. And when I talk about this, you normally think it's the Pharaoh thing. But it's also the Israelites. He didn't think they're going to see me as a leader. I'm not a good speaker. I can't do this.

I've got to have those people behind me before I can't even go to Pharaoh. And God walks him through that. Like, you're going to be equipped for this. Your brother Aaron is going to help you. And obviously, Exodus happened, and the Israelites were let out under the leadership of Moses having these confrontations with Pharaoh. I had not read this chapter. But I am fascinated.

I'm by one of the perhaps most forgotten characters of the Bible. And you talk about it through the lens of family trauma. Joseph. Oh, my gosh. if you have family trauma, this is definitely your chapter. I almost would venture to say nothing that's happened in your family is as bad as what happened to Joseph. He was the favorite of his dad and the brothers hated him. He has these brothers that they were plotting to kill him.

I mean, kill their own brother. But instead, oh no, we'll just sell him into slavery, which is only slightly better than killing someone. They never knew what was going to happen to him. And obviously his story is so, there are so many injustices, betrayed by his family, sold into slavery. He works his way up just because he's a guy. of integrity and dignity and relying on God to a position of esteem. And then he's falsely accused of sexual assault, thrown in jail, left in jail. I mean, there are just so many things that happened to him that were never warranted by anything that he did. But he ends up the number two in all

of Egypt when there's this terrible famine. And his brothers now 20 years later come back because they need food. They come. He's the guy controlling the food there in Egypt. And they need him. They don't even recognize him. I love that so much in his story that they're there now begging for help, essentially. And he's in a position. He obviously recognizes them right away. And he drags this on for a little while before he reveals himself. But ultimately, he says to them, because he's in position to save them with this food, and that's the family that becomes all of Israel and the Jewish people. He says, what you meant for evil, God meant for good. And so he's able to maintain his faith and his dignity through all of these injustices to say, it's okay. God had a plan. And there's a reason why I had to

walk that path. A few weeks ago at church, the pastor was talking about the story of the prodigal son, and he was analyzing the story of the prodigal son line by line, and explaining all the different ways why the son who went away was actually favored by the father and what he did, and what the son who stayed and stayed loyal to the family made mistakes. And it was really interesting to me and to think about now this is your fourth book looking at stories from the Bible, to think about, on one hand, it's such a well of millennia of wisdom. On the other hand, you take stories that you think you know

and you keep looking at it through a different light and you learn something new. Why is that? Why can we look at these stories over and over and keep finding, are we projecting onto it? Are we uncovering new layers? Why is it we keep finding new ways to uncover wisdom? I think for me, it is uncovering new layers

because I think you mature yourself. You have different experiences. I mean, I grew up like you in Sunday school and church and studying these stories. And when I look at them as an adult who's lived through some values, and some mountain tops, I do have a different appreciation for them. Not that this story's different, but I get more from it, more layer, more context. And there are a number of these stories. Every

time I do one of these books, that's the joy in it for me is that, wow, this is, I'm seeing a new point. I'm getting something deeper from this story. And just always hoping, I'm just the messenger, you know, to share them in these books that other people will look at it, maybe in a different way and say, oh, I never got that before. That's a new bit of faith or a new bit of hope for me in the story that I have seen. You find that on your own? Or are you guided? You guided through a study? You guide through a pastor? I think it's all those things because when I write, I will go and watch sermons from all kinds of pastors that I know and trust, some I don't know. I'll watch, you know, rabbis and their teaching because I so appreciate, obviously, their depth of knowledge of the Jewish

culture and of these stories in a different way. So I love that it's a learning experience for me, but when you sit with the word and you sit with some of these stories, I do sometimes feel like, okay, now I'm finally getting it through my thick skull what this was supposed to be. I think part of its living too. I mean, I've gone through some difficult things as we all have. There are verses I memorized as a kid like God's going to bring good through this. I think when you live in it, you do get a different interpretation of it and a different, you know, richness to it. On one hand, what the Bible calls for us to do is to live simply to love God and to love each other. On the other hand, is all of this font, this well of wisdom of these lessons on how to live life. And I think

you're right when you're a kid and this is probably why it took me into adulthood to gravitate back toward my faith is that it comes off like a rulebook like here's the literal line here's the do's and don'ts and it's not attractive not on a rebellious level but even on a stimulating level to look at it through that lens it becomes much more interesting and stimulating when you start to realize and think about it as the same it's the same thing that people have used to you used to replace it with, which is therapy. I'm not suggesting the Bible is therapy. It's much deeper.

It's a call to have faith. But in that context, people are really fascinated to think about their own life and to talk about their own life and to talk about their own troubles and to talk about with their therapists, perhaps, the things they're struggling with, which is what this in the end, it's not necessarily what it's about, but it is the vehicle to which it takes you to what it's about. Which to me is a relationship, because I like you as a kid, I was like, I don't want to go to hell. You know, you hear these Hellfire brimstone sermons and you're like, well, I don't want that. But you don't want that to be the reason you choose God and choose Jesus. I mean, you want it to be that,

okay, I get it. You love me. You want a relationship with me. I can talk to you. And not that I hear you verbally talking back to me, but you talk through your word. I think the Holy Spirit can guide us and give us wisdom and give us discernment about things. But when you see it as you grow older as more relationship and like there's give and take here. I'm going to grow in this. I'm going to get to know you better. I think it's very different than having a list like you said of rules of do's and don'ts. Like this will send you to hell. This will get you to heaven. I think if you think about it that way and when your kid maybe that's your best understanding. But as an adult to feel like no, I'm talking with him. He's talking with me. We're in this together and I choose him.

That's a relationship. And why they are dues and don'ts. You start to really know why they are dues and dose. There's not just a commandment. There's a reason for the commandment. There's a reason for everything. There was a reason why you didn't eat pork. there was a reason why you didn't covet. You know, all of these things are like the formula for a beautiful society. Because it was, you know, God's intention was for us to have a perfect life in a perfect world and perfect relationship with him. But the minute we got involved in our sinful, selfish thing, listen, we come out of the womb, selfish. We all do.

If you've had a baby, you know that. If you've been a baby, you know that. So it's about restoring relationship with him that he always intended for us. And yeah, sometimes we can't understand. like, this seems mean or this is going to keep me from having fun. But there's purpose on it. He loves us. It's not just that he's a taskmaster. The book is separating the three parts. Part one, overcoming what you don't understand, God's plan. Part two, overcoming when it's hard to love others. And part three,

overcoming when God feels far away. Let's talk about that in some of these characters you used to tell the story. Noah's patience, waiting on God in hard times. And yeah. I mean, the patience of Noah. Hundreds of years of his life and then all that time building that arc. And I always think were people just kind of walking by like, you're crazy. Of course. You're an idiot.

What is this thing? You're not even building near a shoreline. Like, you're building this giant arc and it's going to be here. But we never see him arguing with God. We do see other people in the Bible. And I've argued with God many times, so I'm not throwing shade on anybody in the Bible. But you don't see that from Noah. He's like, okay, I got my assignment.

I'm going to do this. And he had to get mocked all the time. All the time. And to him, he couldn't have had a full understanding. Because as I write about, scholars don't think, most scholars think there had not been rain to this point on the planet. So people would not understand rain coming down and flooding an area. They would understand a boat floating on the water. But mostly what we see in the word up to that point was due coming up from the ground to water the crops and those kinds of things.

So we don't know for sure, but it appears that rain had never happened before. So I'm sure this seemed completely idiotic and just weird that he was. doing this, but he never argues. I mean, God was so mad at the world. He was going to destroy everything because people were so wicked and so evil. And he's like, all right, Moses, you and your family. I'm going to save you guys. And Moses was like, okay, I'm going to do this thing. And imagine seeing like all the animals now pairing up and walking to him. He didn't have to go get them. They came to the ark, if you believe this story. So I can't imagine being a bystander watching this and thinking like, uh-oh, maybe I was wrong about this. I know the Bible describes

the world at the time, but for God to be so mad at the world. He was going to get rid of everybody. I mean, how much worse could have been than where we are today? Well, think about what he says there. I'm trying to remember the exact scripture, but he saw that the intent of all men's heart was to only do evil continually. Like, that was it. And sometimes they can feel like, yeah, gosh, this world we're in is full of a lot of evil. But I do think there's more than a remnant.

There are a lot of people who in this world are still trying to build God's kingdom and do what's right. And ultimately, goodwill triumph. Okay. And unfortunately, what you and I do quite often does, lend itself and lean toward the negative. It just does. And that's worthy of its own conversation of why that might be, but it is. And Elijah's discouragement, how to stop a negative spiral. Yeah. And Elijah, I love his story too, because it's not one of the better known stories of the Bible. But God tells him

many times to go stand up to King Ahab and his, you know, evil wife Jezebel, who were just, I mean, they were killing God's people. They were having to hide out in caves and rocks. I mean, there was real oppression. And there comes a point where Elijah is by himself. And he's kind of as we can be discouraged, but he was hungry, he was lonely, and he was really crying out like, God, I'm the only one left. God's like, you're not the only one left. I've got thousands of these people who are faithful to my word. They're there, but we can feel very alone sometimes. So Elijah's story is a good reminder that you're never really alone, and God met him where he was, like, you're hurting right now. He sent animals to feed him. He sent the water he needed,

and just kind of let him rejuvenate and remember that God was with him. Well, it will be the fourth bestseller by Shannon Bream, and it is all of this millennia worth of wisdom put through the lens of dealing with modern day problems as well. 11 heroes, one God, endless lessons in overcoming. Nothing is impossible with God by Shannon Breen. It's always good to see you. You too. In person, Wilkane.

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