Will Cain Country - IT'S ON! Former President Donald Trump accepts President Joe Biden’s debate dare

Episode Date: May 15, 2024

Story #1: The debate is on! Former President Trump will have to play an away game, letting President Joe Biden select the referees and set the rules. An ‘Off the Rails’ segment with Author of The War On Warriors and Co-host of Fox & Friends Weekend, Pete Hegseth. Story #2: An Axios story explains how schools are re-segregating in America. Is this due to charter schools and school choice? Will breaks it down. Story #3: Republican Congressman from South Carolina’s 7th District, Rep. Russell Fry joins us to explain how he intends to impose some level of order on the chaos that is college athletics. He’s pushing for a Federal bill in an attempt to give structure to the NCAA around NIL (name, image, and likeness).   Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail]   Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show!   Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery. One, it is on. President Trump will have to play an away game. I'll have to let President Joe Biden select the referee. He'll have to let the home team set the rules, but a presidential debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is on.

Two, are they criminalizing Christianity? Is Christianity bigoted, the story of Harrison Butker, and how popular in real terms, is Caitlin Clark off the rails with Pete Hegseth? And three, congressman. Russell Frye on how he intends to impose some level of order on the chaos that is college athletics, a federal bill to begin to give structure to the NCAA and name, image, and likeness. It is the Will Kane show, streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page. and always on demand wherever you get your audio entertainment at Apple or on Spotify by hitting subscribe. If you do that right now, you can leave us a five-star review if you feel it's so

deserved. You can leave a comment. And you can also join into our comment section on YouTube be a part of the Will Kane show by hitting subscribe on YouTube. That's a growing audience, a growing subscriber base, and a way to ensure that we're a part of your daily schedule every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern Time live or again by subscribing on demand you can watch and comment and hang out with us here at the Will Cane Show whenever you like on YouTube or on Facebook. It's on. The invitation has been offered. The invitation has been accepted. And we now have a presidential debate set for June 27th between Joe Biden and Donald Trump to air on CNN. This morning, the gauntlet, as it were, was thrown by Joe Biden in an 13-second clip with approximately

five to six jump cuts within that 13 seconds. Here, listen, watch. Donald Trump lost two debates to me in 2020. Since then, he hadn't shown up for debate. Now he's acting like he want to debate me again. Well, make my day, pal. I'll even do it twice. So let's pick the dates, Donald. I hear you're free on Wednesdays. 11 to 13 seconds there with five to six different jump cuts. That adds up to at best a single sentence. In many cases, a half sentence Joe Biden was able to record without presumably forgetting his next line or making some mistake. Literally, that is a cut every two seconds. Now, how are we to believe that is going to translate into the ability to debate, to

ad lib, to think off the cuff, to be vigorous, to be alive in a debate against Donald Trump? Let's break all that down. Plus, much more, by going off the rails with Pete Hegg says. Story number one. He is my co-host at Fox and Friends Weekend on Off the Wall, on Off the Grid. which record on Fox and Friends during the weekdays, as we did just this morning on Fox and Friends. And now off the rails here on The Will Cain Show. What's up, man? What do you think?

I mean, this is going to be an away game for Trump. It's not only going to be on CNN. Joe Biden has rejected the Presidential Debate Commission, I believe. He's going to go ahead and let CNN make its own rules. The rules, by the way, Pete, include no live studio audience and Donald Trump's mic. being cut, muted when Joe Biden has the floor. This is, I don't know if there's a win here for Donald Trump. Well, the win is getting Biden to debate him.

I think that's why he jumped at it so quickly. Biden agreeing to do this is only a reflection of the weakness of his campaign. He doesn't, see, his campaign is weak, his poll numbers are weak, he is weak, So he puts together a highly edited 13-second, I'm coming after you, Donald, to try to look strong in the moment of his greatest weakness, which is let's have the debate in June. By the way, Will they just announced, they agreed to a second one, September 10th, ABC. So now both of them are apparently locked.

Both are away games. But the idea of a June debate is, well, if he really does kick the bucket, then hopefully voters can forget about it. about it. And you think he'll agree to the second one if the first one's a disaster. He'll push that one aside too. And by not being a part of the presidential commission, you're not a part of the process, which means everything is ad hoc. It's just a negotiation with the Trump camp and the television studio that's hosting the debate. You cut all that other red tape out of it. So it's a reflection of weakness. I think Trump, listen, we'll debate this a lot and

we're all kind of taking this in in real time. He'll take it. Listen, you can cut his mic. He'll still talk. No studio audience doesn't need one. Debate moderator is going to be biased no matter what so he can play off both of them, play out the bias in the media and the incapability of Biden. Biden still has to talk. And that's what Biden. That's what Trump wants. I'll take it. I said I'd debate you anywhere. If you say anywhere, anytime, whatever, anything, then you better take it when it's given. And he did. And we'll all be watching. It's going to be great. This was all very WWE. Everything from this morning leading up to the announcement of these debates felt scripted. So Joe Biden puts out his video, which again was

pre-produced and edited. And Donald Trump even, responding in record time, seemed to be followed directly by a confirmation that the debate would be on CNN and they had certain rules already in place. Now, in order for that to take place, they would have had to negotiate some of these rules. Donald Trump would have had to accept some of these rules. And CNN would have had to put together press release. And you and I know very well, that doesn't happen in 10 minutes. That goes through several drafts across many desks. And so everything that happened this morning, Pete, it wasn't actually a negotiation offer and acceptance in real time. This was very WWE. Not at all. Absolutely. In fact, Axios put out kind of a sneak peak thing here and it said that

Biden-Trump campaigns have been back-channeling conversations about cutting out the commission for a long time. You know, the other thing they want to cut out? really bad, both sides, RFK Jr. They don't want them on the debate stage. So I think by making this an arbitrary set of parameters with individual networks, apparently CNN is saying they're going to say four polls over 15% is what would qualify you to get on the debate stage. Kennedy has had one poll at 16% recently, so it's not like it's outside the realm of possibility. But I do think they'll try to find a way to box him out. Neither camp wants him there. I'm not saying that's the way it should be, but they want a binary choice. They don't want the, the Ross Perrault on stage,

stealing oxygen, punching both of them, changing the debates and taking it in odd directions, taking the spotlight off of Joe Biden or distracting away from it. So that's the collusion here between the campaigns. Fine, we know we, Biden has to debate. He's behind. If you're behind, you have to, you have to submit yourself to that. But yeah, definitely WWW. scripted let's go well to the point to the point of joe biden being behind and all of these rules and all of these accommodations being a sign of weakness nate silver pete who's never been accused by anyone saying of being on the right tweeted so biden wants two debates instead of the traditional three and also wants them much earlier which makes them less impactful it's consistent with his

strategic incentives which are that he can be seen at he can't be seen as ducking debates but he's not particularly confident he'll win. If you're confident that you'll win the debates, you'd ask for two early debates in addition to the three late ones, at least as a bargaining position. He said, and this is also the campaign and the candidate who's supposed to stand up for norms and traditions, and now he is ducking this tradition of the debate. That's a great point. And then he posts the letter to the Biden-Harris administration put out, announcing the president will not be participating in the commission of presidential debates. This is going to be the first time, as you pointed out, it's directly negotiated and aired

with media mediators, first CNN, and then ABC. And look, I understand on the other side is, while this is a projection of weakness, Donald Trump's position is a projection of strength. I mean, he is confident that even with an away game, even with rules that, that are probably going to be rigged against him or unfavorable, even with moderators who will be anything but objective, that he can go into an arena and beat Joe Biden. Do you think there is, and I always like to try to play devil's advocate with myself, Pete,

I understand all of that. Biden is so incredibly weak. He cannot record a 13-second video without at least five different cuts. but has Trump given too much away like is there something if you give everything away in this particular forum can Joe Biden come out with a win for independents who might just need to see competence you know a lack of frailty just a very low bar of performing and appearing present at the debate the answer is yes it could backfire of course i mean if they find the right cocktail of ingredients for joe to jack him up and he's able to fight to not even a draw just a just a not a massacre because the expectations are so low and then he you know somehow is able to score a point or two here on an issue here i just don't see that happening and if you watch trump right now at the top

of his game, as capable as he was seven years ago, going up against Joe's diminished ability. It's not even close. And the Trump campaign is actually getting something it wanted here. The Presidential Commission on Debates wanted the debates to happen mostly in late September and October when a lot of early votes had already been cast. And you could argue that Biden would benefit from a really late debate because most votes would be banked already for him or for Trump. So moving it up to June and into September puts it before almost. any state does any early voting at all. I think the September debate that new news about one in September 10th is really important. You know, either one could have an opportunity for Trump to,

or both, Trump to wipe the floor with him. But you see Biden surviving both and looking good in both and not having a sort of blue screen of death complete meltdown moment in either. And you know what he's going to do. He's going to resort to anger. That's going to be his default, which I don't think wears very well if Trump can maintain his composure. I think he would in this context. So I still think, yes, there's risk. But if you say anywhere, anytime and he says, okay, then you take it. Now, the Trump team's still going to work the refs. They're still going to say, well, which CNN host, which ABC host. And they're good at that. So there's still details to be worked out. But this was choreographed. Both sides must see it as beneficial. And we get to watch.

speaking of debates one broke out here on the will cane show behind the scenes the producers of the will cane show um tinfoil pat and two a days dan they they believe i think even young establishment james that the audience is on to something when it comes to me um there was this moment this weekend on fox and friends where i revealed the biggest conspiracy about my performance on fox and friends so let's revisit that and and you can jump in here on whether or not the producer's are just conspiracy theorists like the audience of Fox and Friends. Watch. I mean, this is not comfortable. He posts up. This is comfortable. I tilt the body a little bit and then I consciously take my knees and just push him in a little bit. I get two things.

That and why do you dye your hair? I've never died my hair. Not once have I dyed my hair. Really? You don't have any white hair. It is pretty impressive. I mean, he's holding on to it hard. You know what that means?

Magnesium? Well, if I don't. I've been taking magnesium, not helping. After I told you that, you started popping up magnesium. I did. You had less white. No, no, I don't. Yes, you do.

Sweating. He's dying. I always sweat six in the morning. Have I really? Does it really look less? I've been taking magnesium gummies. That is true. This is a conversation on Fox and Friends about man-spreading to start.

I get a lot of feedback. Why do you man-spread? I also get, why do you bounce your knee? I even had a comment yesterday on a totally unrelated topic. of somebody saying to me on Instagram, I turn to channel because you bounce your knee so much. I never noticed that. I've never noticed that. Now I'm going to look for it for. Yeah, well, I bounce my knee because I'm afraid that one viewer is going to change the channel. So we're in a real, we're in a real death cycle here between me and that viewer. So, but I do have trouble not man spreading.

I don't know what to say about that. It's the comfortable way my hips sit. And I don't dye my hair. And the producers here, the Wilicia of the Will Kaine show, they say I'm, suspiciously defying the odds that my hair is too dark at two an advanced age, that I should be gray and I must be dyeing my hair. Save me, Pete. I'm with your producers. I'm with the Wollisha on this one. How many years have you been on Fox and Friends weekend, Will? How many years? Three and a half. Three, three, four? Yeah. I mean, that's too long as a morning show host at your aged state to not

have any gray hairs at all. I mean, I started Fox and Friends with hair that looks like yours. And now this is where I'm at right now. And yeah, I am taking magnesium gummies, but it's not working, despite what Rachel's and there's like a little

see, I think to your producers, there's a little bit of gray that pops in right here for Will, but I think he lets that be just as a little camouflage for what he's done with the rest of it. And I think, as one of your producers mentioned to me before in my IFB, I think you, you know, you're a TV guy, you understand this, so you got ahead of it. You started dying before you needed to do so that once the grays started coming in, no one would see it. So it's too, it's too good to be true.

Not one, not once. No zero hair dye in my life. Ever once has there been hair dye. I mean, and to your point, I looked this up, just for the record. I don't have good statistics, but there is a rule. It's called the 50-50-50-50 rule. 50% of the population will have 50% gray hair by the age of 50. Now, there's also stats that say the average person starts to gray,

the average white guy person starts to gray in his 30s. Average black guy, for what it's worth, starts to gray in his 40s. I just did this quick. NIH study, and we know that's solid rock gold. So whatever's coming from the NIH is... You're vastly above average is what you're saying. You're vastly above average. I'm just above average.

I'm not... This is not as absurd as one might think. And the things that make you go gray are lack of sleep and stress. And I will say, it's happening. Fox and Friends is getting me. And by the way, Pete, I've got to talk to you. They've got me scheduled for two nights of four hours of sleep this week. And I've said to them, I'm too old to be getting four hours of sleep two nights in a row, you know.

But why are you submitting? You must be submitting yourself to some sort of a voluntary activity the evening before, which I feel like would be your fault. Yes, one being Fox-related, the Morgan Wallin concert on Friday night and then have to host the next morning. And then that morning, they want me Friday morning, they want me at pickleball in Fort Worth with Steve Ducey. And so, you know, I'm like, guys, I'm going to be up at four, and I'm going to be up until 11, you know, and then I'm up at four again. And then I kind of want to go to the American Country Music Awards on Thursday night, but now I'm debating that. I can't really do that because that's two nights in a row of four hours sleep, and I'm too old for this, and I'm going to be gray like Hegg Seth. Yeah, I mean, throw in a Mavericks game, and it's like your own personal Iwo Jima.

Like, how are you going to do it? I have no idea. We all have our battles. We all have our wars. Every man needs a war. I learned that somewhere. I get it. I think it might have been.

You're going gray, man. It'll happen. I think it might have been on the war on warriors. It taught me every man needs a war. All right. So there, I think this is a legitimately interesting question. And I don't, you know, I don't like to leap from the highest cliff first. But the war, the war on Christianity.

So it's actually hard to kind of escape this. So Harrison Bucker, the kicker for the Kansas City Chiefs, gave a commencement address at Benedictine College, which is a Catholic college. And he talked a lot about some different things he believes about culture and society and religion. Let's listen to a little bit of what Harrison Butker had to say at Benedictine. While COVID might have played a large role throughout your formative years, it is not unique. Bad policies and poor leadership have negatively impacted major life issues. Things like abortion, IVF, surrogacy, euthanasia, as well as

a growing support for degenerate cultural values and media all stem from the pervasiveness of disorder. Our own nation is led by a man who publicly and proudly proclaims his Catholic faith, but at the same time is delusional enough to make the sign of the cross during a pro-abortion rally. He has been so vocal in his support for the murder of innocent babies that I'm sure to many people, it appears that you can be both Catholic and pro-choice. He is not alone. He's talking there about President Joe Biden. He did also go on to say, Pete, I think it is you, the women who have had the most diabolical lies told you. Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.

I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabel, would be the first to say that her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and a mother. The headlines scream, USA Today, Chiefs Kicker Harrison Butker's speech was ugly. He's only part of a bigger problem. The athletic, Pete, owned by the New York Times, wrote it up and said, Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker says Pride Month is an example of a deadly sin during commencement speech. He did talk about Pride Month. He said, I'm not talking about, he said, you need God-centered pride, not the kind of pride we celebrate in June, which is a sin. I went through what he had to say, Pete, it is pretty standard fair for a conservative Christian.

And what I find fascinating is the response to what he had to say, because all of these headlines have essentially equated views that are conservative Christian with bigotry. The headlines are just short of almost the same tone, had Harrison Butker gotten up there, and used the N-word in a commencement address to. to Benedictine. Yeah, I mean, it's very predictable at this point. Another headline I'm looking at right now. The headline is Travis Kelsey's teammate, Harrison Buckker, which means what they really want is to tie this to comments from Travis Kelsey, tie this to comments from Taylor Swift,

tie this into a larger cultural conflict inside the locker room, inside our media. He even quoted Taylor Swift. So I guess Harrison Bucker sort of invited that a little bit by knowing that if he quotes Taylor Swift, it's in Poland, Travis Kelly. So there's, they're talking to sideline reporters who are saying, you know, how can I, we, we have to reject this type of viewpoint. First of all, I salute Harrison Buck for having the courage to speak up and defend his Christian faith to a very conservative, to a conservative Catholic audience and a commencement address that actually took on real issues, didn't laud them with platitudes, but simply said, you're entering a really dangerous world that rejects most of what you think. feel. And it took a lot of us a long time to recognize the things of this world that were sold to us are empty and fapid. God's will. That was the pivot. I, because I watch this. If you're actually seeking God's will in your life and not the world's will, everything changes. And that's the biggest change for anybody who's truly trying to seek God is, am I seeking God's will or my will? And how do

I determine that? Well, I go to his word. Oh, man, you go to his word? There's a lot of things in there that clash with what the world says is right. And he emphasized a lot of those things in his speech, which means that, well, celebrated as a homemaker, celebrated that she loves being a mother and believes that's the most important job she'll ever have. He didn't say it in a condescending way at all to work people to working mothers, just recognize there's a ton of value there. My wife would say the same. Right. And probably your wife would say the same. A lot of wives would say the same. Like, hey, we're, we had the potential to have whatever career we want, but we've found the most enrichment and the most value in pouring ourselves into our kids as future citizens, men are

women. So I salute him completely. I think he should stand strong in his convictions. It'll be very interesting to see what the Kansas City chiefs do. They shouldn't do anything, by the way. They should just say he's entitled to his own beliefs. He's a private citizen who has a faith. And, you know, he's a great kicker. So he's on our team. But the blowback is predictable. And he knew it would come at him. I salute him for giving it anyway. That's what Christians need to do. Say, we believe this for real. We want to live this way. And therefore, we're going to speak what we, the truth, regardless of where the the current cultural winds are heading.

So I love that he gave the speech. We started to have a little bit of trouble with your connection there in the middle of what you had to say, but we picked it back up and understood everything you had to say there, Pete. But I guess for me, the thing about it is you can have a disagreement with Harrison Buckker. But what I find fascinating about the reaction is this movement towards what you said is true. He didn't say anything hateful. He said, basically, certain things are a sin under my religion. Sin and hate are not one in the same, because every man is guilty of sin.

It's about the pursuit of virtue, you know. And so it's really not breaking news. It has been, certain things have been qualified as a sin for all of, you know, I don't want to know, I don't know about all of humanity, but the vast majority of Western civilization, Judeo-Christian ethics. And so Harrison Butker, you know, validating or acknowledging that, in no way can be deemed bigoted or hatred. It just simply is.

And if you're going to act like that is bigoted or hatred, what you were saying underneath the surface is Christianity is bigoted or hate-filled. And then secondarily, for him to celebrate, him to celebrate the traditional role, and I emphasize the word celebrate, of a mother. is also not backwards as it's been written in all these things. It's not, I mean, it's something that we've talked about here. I talked about with Dr. Nicole Sapphire last week on the Will Cancho. I mean, to say, hey, the most important thing you'll ever do in your life is raise children

and build a home and build a family. To act like that is backwards, I'm sorry. I think that is, I think those that suggest that is somehow immoral are the ones guilty of morality. You can pursue other things. That's fine. He says that. Go on to have a successful career, but my suspicion is you'll do nothing more valuable than build that family, then raise those children. And I just, I think that both reactions lead us to the underlying discussion, which is being avoided, is, are you just saying that family and Christianity are evil? I mean, we just get there if we're going to get there. Let's get to that debate, if that's where we're headed, because

it sure seems like that's underneath your surface. I think we're already there. I think we're already there. And what you hear is that sort of roar up of people. Listen, we all are sinners. We all have idols. The question is what they are and what do we do about them. And Harrison Bucker would say the very same thing. And for a lot of men and for a lot of women, our idols are of this world. It's our career. It's the next rung. It's our success. It's our health. It's our image. It's our look. It's our dyed hair like you. Like whatever it is, we've got idols that we can't overcome. And what he's simply saying is the world's selling you a bill of goods. That's what it's said in the Old and New Testament. That's what Jesus talked about, that ultimately honoring God and

his law sets us free is something the world and the devil has to reject. And so when he says you're a male, be masculine. Don't be emasculated. Women don't be afraid to command your household. he's now here i say all of that agreeing with everything that you said but he clearly knew he was going to poke a bear here because he did quote i'm looking at this right now he did say as my teammates girlfriend said familiarity breeds contempt so i don't know what his relationship is to Travis kelsey you know that a lot of it depends on that if they're buds and he knew that it would not be an issue for him to say that then that it's maybe not a big deal but if he was doing it in a way that would create a rub between them,

then that's between them and their locker room. But there is a war on Christianity, Will. You can't, the things he said are the things I've heard in my cues for decades, right? It depends on how we live them out. It's just the left is trying to force them out of the public square. Say, we have to have a secular public square. We have to have a secular media. We have to have secular schools.

That's the only thing we can talk about. Don't impose your views on me. And we've gone along with that as opposed to saying, no. This is what I believe, this is who I am, and I'm going to say it out loud. And giving speeches like this are a part of doing that, and it's great to see. Well, my sin that you're accusing me of would be vanity. And on that war, I would tell you, after seeing Tom Brady at his roast, I have not yet begun the fight. I have not yet begun to indulge my vanity.

So, speaking of bigotry, you want to hear some blatant bigotry? This is going to be, this will be fun. Watch this. Here is the mayor of New York. How do we have a large body of people that are in our city and country that are excellent swimmers? At the same time, we need lifeguards. And the only obstacle is that we won't give them the right to work to become a lifeguard. So New York City has a lifeguard shortage.

But you know what they have? According to Mayor Eric Adams, they got a lot of illegal immigrants. And you know what? They're good swimmers. Now, Pete, and so problem meets solution. Pete, I'm sitting here trying to figure out, what's he doing? Like, where did this comment? This is an interestingly bigoted comment.

Like, I'm trying to figure out where he got this. Is he saying, is he saying, like, is he doing a Cuba thing? Because they don't swim from Cuba. So then that takes me back to the Rio Grande in Texas. and he's saying what evidence does he have that illegal immigrants are strong swimmers? The Rio Grande?

Are we getting back to that? Like, what are we doing here, Mayor? Yeah, I think it's a Rio Grande comment. I don't know what else it could be. I also, I mean, he's going, they got here somehow, they head across a body of water, they must be good swimmers.

First of all, look, what a rookie move. What a rookie. We forget how many of these politicians are just rookies. They're just in front of a microphone. They're bad at it. They have stream of conscious comments. They take private conversations and make them public, but they don't understand where the guardrails are, and they're not that smart. And I think Eric Adams, in a lot of occasions, fits that. But I also think he said the, I hate this phrase, but the quiet part out loud. He admitted what illegal immigration is about for a lot of these big city mayors, which is a

workforce, you can pay nothing, a cheap labor to replace workers that either have decided to leave or won't work for a cheap enough wage to do it. So I, there's, that's always been a huge part of this. The reason he's making these comments is he's begging for work permits for all these illegals that are in his city wrecking it, but he can't get it because it's unlawful. And he needs life cards. I'm just going to leave it right there. There's no, there's nothing else to say other than he's an idiot and has maybe seen. I'm going to start a segment. I'm going to start a segment. Imagine if it was said by Republican.

And we can run this. And we can just go back to last week where the governor, where the governor of New York said black kids have never seen a computer, don't understand computers. So we can just get the greatest hits of clips and say, imagine if it was said by a Republican. Last topic here with you, Hegg Seth. So I'm really interested in this topic.

And I'm just what you have to say. And it's got less structure. But here's what happened. night, Caitlin Clark made her WNBA regular season debut. She scored 20, had 10 turnovers. She is trending as we speak right now. She's trending on X. She's trending on Google. She's trending everywhere. So there is clearly a large appetite of interest still in Caitlin Clark. The question will be, does it translate into ratings? And do those ratings mean more than a novelty? You know, I think when the WNBA first came out in the late 90s, they did three to five

million viewers. It then went back after the novelty wore off and now has trouble garnering a million viewers for the game. And here's what I find fascinating, Pete. Like, NBA, so professional basketball seems to have accomplished something that Caitlin Clark has accomplished, which is relevance. Online relevance. People talk about the NBA on Twitter. People watch highlights of the NBA on Instagram. People debate the NBA on television. But you know what? Hasn't happened?

People watching the NBA. So the ratings do not seem to correlate to the relevance. And then I think about that when it comes to Caitlin Clark. Like, okay, she has relevance online. People talk. People want to read. People want to see something about Caitlin Clark. But do they actually care about the game?

in cases the NBA, in this case, the WNBA. Well, you know this subject better than I, but I think a lot of that relevance is predicated on more cultural questions that end up surrounding it, right? I mean, there's this idea, well, is she only liked because she's a white girl from Iowa as opposed to a black girl from somewhere else, and is that a dynamic? There's all these dynamic, she good looking, is that why?

All of that stuff to me doesn't matter, but it becomes what the chattering class ends up talking about and an unfortunate side effect. And, of course, that's where X and others pick up and they throw fuel on that fire and it becomes a big old debate about that. I got caught up in it, but just by watching her in the NCAA tournament.

But my sense is, because I know they played two preseason games and now this is the first game of the year, I think we're going to see the relevancy and the interests plummet pretty quick. And it's not that she's not good. She's great. She won't be as much of a standout

in a WMBA full of other stars who are bigger, stronger. There's a physical aspect to this too in seeing a couple of the highlights. There were a lot of veterans in that game that were like, no, Caitlin Clark, sit down, wait your turn, this ain't happening. So they're going to, you know,

just like they did to Isaiah Thomas back in the pistons back in the day, like, hey, you've had too much spotlight. We're going to put you in your place. So I do think it's going to return back to the mean. Maybe Indiana Fever games will get a little bit of a pop and they'll try to promote them heavily, but I don't think you're going to see a change in viewership. I see the same with buddies with the NBA, too.

I don't know. I watch my team. I'll watch my team. But even when I watch my team, I'll pop in and out of it, not like I watch in a different way than I watch football, which is I will not miss it down. In the NBA, you can leave for three minutes. Scores changed a little bit.

Maybe there's been a little bit of a run, just a different kind of product. So the WMB just is what it is. and Caitlin Clark will change it a little bit. And this comes from somebody who I told you, says she's different. She's amazing. But I'm not going to turn on the WMBA. Maybe if she's on to see a little bit, but not a whole game.

There's no chance. So this makes me think two things. This entire conversation about Caitlin Clark made me think about two things. First of all, I'm just kind of fascinated, Pete, by the difference between relevance, attention, and I don't know what the next. next thing I'm differentiating it from would be, but a connection, an audience, a business. I think it applies to us as well. You know, you can chase virality and relevance online, but it doesn't necessarily translate

into an audience, a connection, and a business. So I think that's what's happening to the NBA. You see it in politics all the time, by the way, people do what we do, right? oh, that person is a big influencer on X, but that person doesn't have a true connection to a broader audience that has added up to a business. And this is how I apply it to the WNBA or the NBA. I think a lot of people are reading about Caitlin Clark,

and then I think a lot of people are consuming the NBA through social media, but don't actually watch the product. And that's not good for the NBA. They have to watch the product. They have to watch the game. That is the business in the end, for television rights, for advertising, that's what feeds it. And so whatever is happening in the attention world hasn't shown a direct connection

to the offline real world, including simply who's putting butts in seats and who's tuning in on television. That's one level. The other level is what you brought up, the NBA. Like, I'm not even sure how good of a watch it is. Right now, I'm watching the NHL and the NBA playoffs at the same time, right? And I'm going to tell you something. the hockey playoffs are more entertaining and it seems to me my theory is you've got two different

types of basketball games this is what happens one of these two games is what you get in the NBA you get a blowout that's one thing you get or you get nothing matters until the last seven minutes the first three and a half quarters do not matter until the last seven minutes you get one of those two things so like the mavs the other day p and i know you're tuned into the wolves but they dominated the thunder they were up it was getting close to 20 points and as i'm watching it I'm like, doesn't matter. None of this matters. There will be a run, something will happen.

This will all even out, and what's going to happen is this thing is going to come down to what happens in the last seven minutes. And I think both of those outcomes, blowout or it doesn't matter for three quarters of the game, aren't good for actually building your business of having someone connected to your product of watching the NBA. Agreed. The favorite game I watched The Wolves this year was one, I was in London. I couldn't watch the game.

It was off time zones. I had to go to bed. There was no chance. And I watched it on Instagram, and I have not had more fun than watching the game on a splice of 25 clips on Instagram from the Wolves feed

that brought me great joy. And the other thing is, I think time matters. Like, I didn't watch last night's game for the wolves because it was on a 9.30 p.m. central time. 10.30 Eastern time. I'm not going to watch it. I'm going to go to bed.

And I'm going to wake up in the morning with my fingers crossed and watch them lose again. but so I I don't know how you fix that or change that I do think by the way the Caitlin Clark thing just one more thing I don't know how they go from a whole

collegiate season straight into the WBA I think that's going to be a factor like that's not how it works in NBA basketball you get a little bit of time like I think she stepped straight off the off the court the national championship game or whatever it was semifinal and was immediately

practicing for Indiana and that's going to have a cost you understand the business side of this stuff better than I do. As a fan, you're right. There's just some NHL hockey, incredible. I just don't follow anybody,

but when you watch it, the action never stops. And for sports where action never stops, draw your attention. And in the NBA, there's just a lot of breaks and a lot of stops. And you're right,

nothing matters really until, I know that moment in the game. It's like, okay, here we go. This, now I have to watch. And if you're not, you don't make it to that point, it doesn't matter. Yeah.

So the long and short for me is I don't know that Caitlin Clark's relevance is all going to add up to anything that matters for the WNBA. I could be wrong. We'll see. We'll see. It's going to take a period of years to see if those ratings are more than a novelty. And by the way, you know something about swings and basketball. I mean, you know, I'm not making funny. I'm saying seriously like playing basketball has got to feel something similar to watching basketball, right?

Oh, we're up by 20. How safe can you actually feel in a game like that? keep it. Hey, all we got to do is keep it close. That's the whole, you know, you realize pulling ahead is important and great, but it's not always as beneficial as you think. Just keep it close out the game. You're right. It's a feeling you have even on the court. There's no way they can avoid it in the NBA where they play 82 games. How could you not? Right. Right. All right, there he is. Former Princeton basketball star and my co-host of Off the Grid, Pete Hegg Seth. See you, brother. See you, man. Thank you. All right, coming up, by the way, we'll just keep this going on some of the chaos in sports. I'm going to have a congressman jump on to tell me about a bill he's introducing to introduce some order to the chaos. That is the NCAA and N-I-L. But next, let's talk about this.

As we head into a presidential debate, we'll continue to analyze what is the win for Donald Trump as an Axios report says. The United States is going back to something that hasn't been seen since the 1950s and 60s. that is resegregated schools. Is that unavoidable? Is it an unavoidable condition of humanity next on the Wilkins show? Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy host of the Trey Gowdy podcast. I hope you will join me every Tuesday and Thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves a little bit better on the other side. Listen and follow now at foxnewspodcast.com. It is time to take the quiz. It's five questions in less than five minutes. We ask people on the streets of New York City to play along.

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education they have a graph that shows from 1988 to 22 the share of u.s public schools with student bodies more than 90% white. It has gone from roughly 7% in 1988 up to 20% in 2022. It shows schools, in essence, resegregating in America. Now, Axios ponderes whether or not this is the rise in charter schools or school choice. But as an aside, towards the end of their analysis, they say, yes, but white children now seldom attend schools where all students are white. The Civil Rights Project report found. There were 551 public schools that were all white in 2021, and that's down from 5,339 schools in 1990 that were all white.

So what you do is you see progress if your goal is desegregation in the number of schools out there that are all white. but a rise in the number of schools that are 90% white. I think what you see here in these statistics is freedom of choice. I think what you see here is freedom of movement. I think what you see here are the decisions of individuals, even when those individuals choose to behave as a group. It is interesting how human beings will segregate themselves, not through government policy, not through law.

not through force, but through choice, people gravitate towards like-mindedness, like socioeconomic background, and even similar in ethnicity and race. You know, I made a concerted effort throughout the early part of my children's life and education to expose them to as many different things as possible. I sent them to a charter school in New York City, which despite what Axios has suggested in this particular article meant pure diversity, Literally. I don't mean the euphemism diversity. I mean the technical definition of diversity. In elementary school, they went to a school that was 30% Latino, 30% black, 30% white.

By the time they got to middle school, they were minorities in schools that were overwhelmingly black. I'm talking about they were down to, you know, 5% of the population. But the interesting thing about this, one of the things that drove my children towards being a minority in their school system was that they were very dedicated to soccer. So the athletic programs within these schools drew us and created quite honestly a brotherhood. My boys were surrounded by boys of different brackyards from them. A lot of them, children of African immigrants, very good at soccer, from first grade on. They knew these guys. They'd been to battle with these guys.

They grew up together with these guys. And I just remember at some point looking up at a social gathering, because we were all still are. friends and families very close in some ways help you know co-parent and looking up and seeing the kids self-segregate

no maliciousness no hatred it just happened and that's what happens you know I love sports I think the locker room and these kids being in sports together is one of the best ways possible sports is one of the best ways possible to break down barriers because you have a common purpose and a common goal united in battle

human beings beyond their superficial differences But, but, do you think that means that locker rooms aren't segregated? They absolutely are. Now, it's not by rule of loss, not by Iron Fist, and it's not uniform. You know, yes, there are black guys that hang out with white guys and white guys that hang out with black guys. Yes, there are Latino guys that hang out with black guys and white guys that hang out with Latino guys. Yes, it happens. But on the average, what's interesting is human beings self-segregates.

I don't know, in pursuit of comfort, in pursuit of familiarity. And it's not always going to be the case, again. But I promise you, go into any football is a pretty diverse sport with a large sample size. You know, what, 90 to 100 guys, 83 scholarships in college, in the NFL, another, you know, 53-man roster plus practice squad. And you're going to find pretty commonalities about who hangs with who. And so you ask yourself why. and then you ask yourself is that bad and you ask yourself, is that bad for society

if you start noticing it in school systems? I don't know the answer to that. I know that individuals we can make those choices, and I did about what I thought would be good for my kids, and I've made other choices at different times in their education and life. Now they go to a school that is not as diverse. I just think that you look at people,

and at some point you have to understand human nature and not, A, overly try to engineer it, and B, indict the motivations, which, by the way, this segregation, this self-segregation, these weren't driven by the white side, weren't driven by the white kids. I'm not saying it was always driven by the black kids or the black side. I'm just saying it's like this thing that just happens. And you can put measures in place, like growing up together, going to school together, being brothers on the battlefield, that do break it down.

But there is an essential element to human nature that we've seen over time that could be wrong for you individually. could be right for you individually, but just is a recognition of reality. And then once we recognize that reality, we can ask ourselves, not only can anything be done, but should anything be done to engineer these populations. It's just, I think as always is the case. We're better served understanding humans than trying to control humans. Control will be what Joe Biden has on that debate stage.

He gets to pick the rules, the home, the moderator, the microphones, and I'm going to bet you. He has some control over the questions. And Donald Trump still says, bring it all on. Maybe we'll ask Congressman from South Carolina. Russell Fry about that, but we're definitely going to ask him about his new bill designed to provide some order to the chaos, that is, name image and likeness, NIL, and the NCAA. Next on the Will Cain

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Trump called Joe out. No teleprompters. No note cards. We need to see Biden. and how he can function without it all. That's from Mary Shindalwulf on YouTube. It is the Will Kane show streaming live on YouTube, also on foxnews.com, also on Facebook. Big audience yesterday on Facebook, we appreciate you being there with us. We had over 120,000 viewers yesterday on Facebook.

This show continues to grow. We'd love for you to subscribe watching us on Facebook. Jump into the comments section. hang out. You can go back and forth with various members of the Willisha or audiences of the Will Cain Show. You can subscribe to Will Kane Show on Facebook and just hang out with us there as well. You can also subscribe on YouTube, be a part of this community as well on Apple or on Spotify. Clinton Alexander says on YouTube, Trump will beat Biden easily at debate. I suspect that is also true. Why? Well, in part

because this is the video that Joe Biden put out today, sort of WWE style inviting Trump into the arena. Watch. Donald Trump lost two debates to me in 2020. Since then, he hadn't shown up for debate. Now he's acting like he wants to debate me again. Well,

make my day, pal. I'll even do it twice. So let's pick the dates, Donald. I hear you're free on Wednesdays. 13 seconds. That video was 13 seconds. I think it's between five and six jump cuts. That's a cut every two seconds. That's half a line.

Maybe a sentence that Joe Biden was able to record, either before forgetting his line or stumbling and saying, cut, let's do another take. And an editor saying, I can just piece it all together. That was the promo cut for the debate. That ain't Pat McAfee. That's not the rock. That wouldn't suffice in WWE.

That's the promo cut for a debate that you would presume would last something like two hours, even if it has to follow the rules laid down by Joe Biden, which include no RFK present. CNN has said, who will be the home of the first debate on June 27th, you have to have four straight polls polling over 15%. That would eliminate RFK. No live studio audience to a guest encouraged. Donald Trump. No microphone being turned up for Donald Trump when it's Joe Biden's turn, when he is

speaking, when he can be interrupted, when he can be rattled, Joe Biden. It's a home game, the second game, which will also be a home game on ABC for Joe Biden. It's a home game with home rules for Joe Biden. Pierre Toulon on YouTube says, I wonder if Biden will be provided with a teleprompter. Despite the home game, I would doubt not only the existence, but the usefulness of a teleprompter. I don't know how you're going to have a script that prepares you for Donald Trump. Devil Dogg says no earpieces, no notes, no aides of any kind, you would presume. As someone who often wears an earpiece, you can see it right here if you're watching me on

YouTube or on Facebook. And often when you see me on Fox and Friends, I'm going to be honest with you, there is limited usefulness. I know we've always had the conspiracy about people saying something has been fed into your ear. There is limited usefulness to that idea because it's just hard to fracture your attention. It's hard to listen to someone speaking over here, in that case your debate opponent, in that case Donald Trump, and listen to someone providing you instruction. in that case a producer, an aide, giving you information here into your ear.

You end up splitting the difference in doing poorly at both. The best that can be done, I'm telling this from experience, if someone gets in your ear and gives you one quick instruction. For example, I was given an instruction just moments ago, hey, Congressman Fry's not here. He's not ready. So, fine, I can move with that. But I couldn't have someone giving me like full-on sentences, full-on paragraphs.

Maybe a factoid. You could maybe feed someone a factoid, a stat in real time that would work. But I'm telling you, look at Joe Biden. Does that look like a man that could juggle? Does that look like a man that can maintain a lot of balls in the air? Something coming into his earpiece, dealing with Donald Trump, preparing what he's about to say, all the while listening? I don't think so. Finally, Deborah Young says, I'll have to watch CNN.

CNN. Yeah, I guess that's the case. You know, you'll have to their turnover to CNN. The underrated skill, I think, in anything that involves public speaking, I truly believe this. Whether or not it's debate, whether or not it's an interview, whether or not it's a conversation. The underrated skill is listening. It is, can you be someone who knows what they want to say, can form a formulate a thought while also still listening to the information being presented to you, you know, across a desk with an opponent in a debate. Because if you take turns giving speeches, it's not any good. During an interview, to follow up, to see if they're, to see if they've said anything that's an open door that you might want to go through. in a conversation to be curious to have a ping pong game of a back and forth you ever had a conversation with somebody where you're like what's wrong in this conversation it's not going back and forth oh it's they're not listening what i have to say i think the it's not only the most underrated i think it's the most important skill in public communication listening it looks

like we are going to have, as I just got an instruction into my ear, that Congressman Russell Frye of South Carolina is sitting down right now. He represents the 7th District of South Carolina, and he is looking to help bring some order to the chaos that is the NCAA. The NCAA is the subject of a $2.9 billion suit right now, and there are absolutely no real rules when it comes to NIL, most notably when it comes to college football. What governs it? Perhaps Congress can help give us some answer. Congressman Russell Frye joins us now on the Will Cain Show. Congressman, thanks for being with us. Great to be here. Thanks for having me.

So you're introducing this bill, which I think was going to extend some liability protection to the NCAA. First, just give us the landscape in your mind that that requires Congress to act? Why does Congress need to help sort out what's going on, primarily in college football, but across the NCAA? Great question. I think if you look back at the history of this, right? The NCAA prohibited players from ever receiving any money for their services or their

play at a university. I think that was too restrictive. And certainly the court, the Supreme Court, thought that that was the case. They said that the NCAA engaged in any number of activities that were. too restrictive and they opened it up. And so now the pendulum has swung completely the other way that it's almost like the Wild West and when the NCAA and the universities and the players and the conferences try to create a framework in which players can make money, which they can play and that there is kind

of a uniform system from state to state, they're often sued. And so you have lawsuits pending right now that are student athletes considered employees of the university? Are they able to unionize as employees of that university? And so it really creates a quagmire not only for the NCAA, but the universities, the conferences, and the end result is that it affects the players very dramatically. If you're 18 years old and you can vote and you can buy a lottery ticket and a pack of SIGS, no, no, no, you can't actually play and market your skill.

And so here, this legislation provides that liability safe harbor. And so the NCAA, again, go ahead. So that the NCAA can create a uniform set of rules without being sued for antitrust violations? Correct. I think that's important, too. The end result of this is that the NCAA and the universities who provide these sports, you're going to have people making financial decisions within the college sports, arena saying, well, we can no longer afford to have this sport or that sport because we are now

on the hook for billions of dollars in legal fees and judgments or settlements. And so that's just not good for college athletics. Everybody who's a fan of college athletics right now thinks that this system is unsustainable. And so the best way is to provide some oxygen and the best way that Congress can provide that oxygen is to stop the legal attacks that are going on and allow people to set up the system that works for the players, the families, the conferences, and the universities. Do you, so there is, most people believe what you just described about the state of college sports right now, that it is the Wild Wild West. I was actually reading the other day, I'm very plugged in on this stuff

and keep up with it on too much of a daily basis, but some of the executives, the rich donors to the collective saying, it's not the wild wild west that everyone portrays it to be in essence what they were making the argument for is that a market is beginning to coalesce and within that market certain standards of behavior are starting to to um to solidify there will always be outliers i know and i've heard about some schools who are offering up for example ridiculous amounts of money uh which is way more than some other schools that are much more competitive by the way when it comes to what's happening on the field, at least for the time being, and for most of history. But the argument is we don't need someone to step in from the top down, be it Congress or

the NCAA, to give this something, some coherence, to make it not the Wild Wild West. A market is beginning to make it something coherent. Well, I don't necessarily know that I agree with that wholeheartedly, because every time that schools move, of course, state legislatures have been trying to do NIL legislation for years. In my home state of South Carolina, I want to be a lot of I served in the General Assembly. We passed this many years ago. And every year since then, like every other state that does, they suspend it. They actually suspend the law because, again, the framework, this foundation on which college

sports rests shifts every single day. And so if we're going to have a uniform set of rules like NASCAR or like the PGA or the NFL, you need to provide some oxygen that allows these entities, these parties to come together and figure out those rules for all of college sports. Is the NCAA, who is the beneficiary of this in your proposed legislation, the beneficiary of liability protection, is the NCAA necessary? So you bring up those other institutions, the NBA, you know, the NHL or NASCAR. There's a growing sentiment that the NCAA as a regulatory body is losing its relevance, is dying as we speak.

and it may be at the hands of college football, that the biggest college football programs simply opt out of the NCAA. Now, that may make the NCAA still important to some of the other non-revenue-generating sports. But I'm just thinking, I'm not suggesting that your law is unnecessary or bad, but I do think you are at the forefront, Congressman, of something that is almost hard to understand, even for me, probably even to some extent for you. And I just wonder if we're at a stage where we understand, understand enough that we can begin to see how it will make sense, how it will organize.

And because we can't, we look to the past and we say, well, it's the NCAA. I'm just wondering, are we trying to use a horse that's, if not dead, already walking on his last legs in college sports? Well, just briefly, I want to correct something real quick. It's not just the NCAA that would have this shield. It's the universities themselves, which I also think is important. These universities are often funded with public dollars. College sports are perpetuated under Title IX of our code, and so that you have, you know, men and women's sports, you have people that do swimming, wrestling, any number of activities on these campuses.

And so at the heart of this, and when I started my discussions, it wasn't with the NCAA. It was actually with Coastal Carolina University in my district, the University of South Carolina, Clemson University. These are the schools that are also very concerned about this. this ever-moving endless supply of lawsuits regarding this activity. And so, again, what college sports ultimately does is you or I's guess. What is really important to me is that we preserve college sports in general for the student athletes themselves and that these universities and their athletic departments aren't bankrupt by judgments and settlements that they can continue to have these programs.

So just really quickly, a couple more based out of curiosity. So the NBA, for example, doesn't have liability protection, right? But what they have is a collective bargaining agreement through them and their labor pool. If we extend to the university or the NCAA liability protection, is that in lieu of a collective bargaining agreement? Like, I'm just trying to figure out, is there a way this can take shape without it having to be done through the use of government? And, I mean, if there's no other answer, then, okay, that needs some regulation. regulation, you know, but without regulation, how else does this achieve some level of organization? Well, it's just as a fundamental purpose. I believe that the less government is better, generally.

And what is important is that the universities themselves, the players, the NCAA, or these conferences actually have the ability to shape their own framework. And so this protection, I think, is really important. It's an important component of that. Again, the heavy hand of government we need to be very mindful of, and there's certainly a space for regulation from the government space just broadly, maybe not necessarily here, but it's really important that you allow them to create the rules in which they're all going to be governed under. That's important to college sports. That's certainly important to the fans and the players themselves. And that's why I'm pushing this legislation to give them that opportunity to create this framework

in light of the recent Supreme Court case that allowed college players to be paid. Well, Congressman Russell Frye of South Carolina, we appreciate you coming on the Will Kane Show and laying out how you see this necessity and how you see this proposed bill satisfying that necessity in college sports. We want to be a place where you can come and give it a little more color and understanding. And you appreciate you doing that today here on the Will Kane Show. Thank you, Will. There you go.

Frye from South Carolina. It's a difficult subject, and it's difficult for me to know what the right course of action is going forward, because I said it here on numerous occasions. I mean, an earthquake has hit college sports. An earthquake. And I don't know. I don't know what the building code should be in bringing it back what has already been destroyed. But there's no doubt about it. An earthquake has hit college sports, N-I-L-N-C-W-A. All right, that's going to do it for me today here on The Will Cain Show again. hit subscribe, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, leave a comment. Come hang out with this. We'll see you again next time.

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