Will Cain Country - Jasmine Crockett Says THIS Is Racist Now (ft. Kayce Smith)

Episode Date: July 22, 2026

If you pulled for Argentina in the World Cup, you might be a RACIST, at least, according to the wellspring of knowledge that is Representative Jasmine Crockett (D-TX). She isn’t that only one to share that sentiment. Barstool’s Kayce Smith joins the show to help Will and The Crew break down how the media has turned the aftermath of the World Cup into a proxy for the Israel-Palestine debate, as well as examine which particular economic factors are driving the rise of socialism. Plus, Will and The Crew debate when “middle age” truly begins, and unpack ESPN’s recent round of mass layoffs. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@WillCainNews) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Streaming live with the Will Kane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page. Always available here for you. Simply at Follow at Spotify. Nice if you guys to join. Tinfoil Pat. Two days, Dan. Casey Smith from Barstle hanging out with us here today.

What's up? Dan's just in a mood already, throwing shade right off the top? You just got to, you know, I need time to set shots, so it would be nice if you sat down, well, earlier. But that's okay. I can do my job effectively. Sorry. Does it really bother you that I roll in here sometimes 30 seconds before the show?

Yes. It bothers you? You have stuff to tell you. I'm like, hey, we got to do this, we got to do that. I just need like 30 more seconds. Do it on air. What do you want to tell me? Everybody listening wants to know.

What instructions do I need for this show? Well, right now I have to set up a shot, right? See, like your shot is not set up. Casey's is not framed. I have to do that. What do you mean? You can't anticipate where we're going to sit? Sometimes I slouch a little bit.

Sometimes I sit up. Don't you stand sometimes? Yeah. It's inexplicable. Well, you can stand up if you want. Does it make you more comfortable? I just, I yap too much. That's my problem.

So I was out there talking. Is it, do you cuss me? When I'm not in there and you're stressing out. Are you cussing me in your hand? I'm not going to let Connor talk. But yes. Why are you not going to like Connor talk? Because he'll tell the truth.

Because he'll tell the truth. Tell the truth. Connor, you never get on the mic. People often comment, who is the guy in the background? We don't mention young Connor enough. We got tin foil pack. We got Dan. We're going to give the mic to young Connor.

This is your chance. Connor's great. When you broadcast, Connor. I had a pitch for Dan here. Connor, I've called on you yet. Slow down. Okay, okay, okay. God does.

Speak when spoken to. on and he's just ready to go and take over the show. Hey, you see that red light and go. I will let you know when I want you to talk. Here's what I want. When you broadcast, at least on this program, you are only allowed to speak the absolute and utter truth. In your mind, I do not want these things happening.

What are the bosses think? I'm not really supposed to talk. Are they going to be upset if I give them a hot take? I mean, you've got something on Israel and Palestine, Connor. this is your moment. So you have to give us the unvarnished truth. And second, you cannot be thinking about Dan's feelings. Feelings are not spared here. Okay. So I don't care that you two have to sit next to each other and then I'll just turn these mics off a little bit and go back to my little Dallas world. You have to tell the unvarnished truth, Connor. So here we go. What does Dan say before we go on air when I'm not here?

I don't have exact quotes here but he does get very frustrated about you not turn it up in time I will I can just frustrated that's TV that's broadcast speak That's true It's true he's telling the truth

That's all I say Which words does he use Connor Does he use the A word The F word The D word I would never swear What word does he use to describe me I would never swear

I haven't heard any curses Boom there you go Truth That can't be true That can't be true Right that's a lie some pointed like. And I'm not trying to say you are lying specifically, Connor, but that's just a lie.

I know how Dan speaks. He curses. Casey Smith says you're a liar, Connor. No, I did not. That was a lie. There's a different. He's telling a lie. He may not be a liar.

That's to be determined if he keeps lying. There might be like a, oh, where the F is he or something like that? Yeah, there you go. Oh. Yeah. See, now he's lying. Now he's lying. That's not a lie.

That, no, that sounds more realistic. Yeah. Yeah. So we went from no swearing as you say cussing, which I grew up saying, it's a whole thing that, to dropping F bombs. Yeah. So Ed, who's in the office today somewhere. He's great, by the way. He made me laugh. He made me laugh as soon as I walk in. He said he loves, he loves that I give you S. I know I can't swear on this program. Yeah, he likes you. Yeah, he's been looking forward to this. Can we not? Yeah, it was nice. Wait, hold on. Can we not swear on this program? Well, we can swear. That's what we could. It makes post-production harder. On Monday, I said a word that's not even a swear word, and I was told I couldn't say it.

Young Connor has to bleep it out after. So he has to listen to all the swears and bleep it out himself. We just mark them up. Yeah, it's hard. It's fine. I have had a dirty mouth throughout my career, throughout my life. I'm going to be honest. Like, I don't like it as much.

Like, I think it's not a good reflection. That's, I really do believe that. That doesn't mean I'm going to stop. I do. I think a properly place. cuss word is appropriate and descriptive on certain occasions. So I'm not going to, you know, clean it up to FCC broadcast standards. But I don't know.

I do every time, every once in a while when it slips out, I'm like, man, like if that guy sitting across the table spoke that way, do you think more or do you think less? Be honest. I don't think I think about it at all. Yeah. Well, honestly, you're 30-something. Yeah. It's also where I work.

It would be weird if people didn't swear a barstle, I think. Yeah, but don't you think it's a cheap rebellion? Yes, yes. Oh, no, there's definitely a difference. And I notice it, but I don't think that I think less of somebody. It depends on how they're using it, too, I guess. Like, if you want to take somebody seriously and their point seriously, and what is the actual word I'm looking for?

Not credibility, but gravitas. Would that be it? Yeah. I don't know. In an argument if you do it? someone seriously. It's lazy. If you have to swear to get a point across in a debate or something, I think that's not necessary. I wouldn't take someone seriously if they've... What do you... What are you shaking your head at, Patrick?

You guys, this is a bell curve mentality, the middle of the bell curve mentality. Because it's like for Normies and simpleton to be against cursing. People who curse are either very low IQ or very high IQ. And you can look at Trump. Trump curses. Is he low IQ? Take that how you will. Middle IQ, high IQ? but you want to know the catch everybody who curses thinks they're on the high IQ part of that bell curve

yes well everybody in general I don't know anybody that would say I'm low IQ I don't know anybody that would think that they might be low IQ but they're not going to say that incredibly endearing statement for someone to make I'd be like I like you more

I'm not very smart I like that smart I do think and this is this you know I think it also depends on where you live I do because in New York I don't think swearing is seen the same as down here. Well, I think that's true. Like, I feel like it's completely normalized up there.

And then when you come down here, if I heard like a waiter or a server say it to me, I would feel differently in Texas than in New York. Well, yeah. Right. So it just depends on where you live. Under no circumstances, can a waiter cuss? Like, if I heard, what do you MFers want? What the F do you want?

I don't mean at you. That's not on the Fing menu. I'm saying, like, like, if, maybe I should have said bartender. I would like, do you have, no, we don't have that s. Let me Let me rephrase this I don't want to put the people The hardworking people

I'm saying not at you I'm saying if I'm like at a bar or a restaurant And I hear somebody swear That's working there like to their co-workers Or whatever I don't think anything of it in New York Maybe in Texas I might pause and be like Are you sure you want to say that? Does that make sense?

Yeah yeah It's more in the everyday culture It's more normalized on the East Coast I don't know I don't think you should Curse from about that bell curve even if you're right about that bell curve and there's other things that they say

only really rich people can do that are things that poor people do and somebody does a bit on this don't they? Who's the comedian that doesn't Adam Cora. Adam Cora does it. Yes and he'll say stuff like you can find me in my trailer. Don't know. Could be a rich

Hollywood person could be somebody that lives in a trailer. That's true with everything though. Like when the 50 shades of gray phenomenon was happening and everyone was talking about how that could be like a dream for many women. If that guy wasn't a billionaire, it becomes a massively different story. He's now kidnapping somebody and abusing her. That's just true with everything.

You know who loves that Adam Crow a bit? I've seen it is Jerry Seinfeld. He freaking loves it. It's true. It is a great bit. What is it? Rich man, poor man, whatever? Rich man, top five.

It's top five. Easy. Yeah. It's really good. It's really good. I mean, I will say, I don't know. I think that, I think, Yeah, even though I do, and I'm not, I'm not a whatever, a teetotaler here on this.

I mean, I, I do curse too much. And I, and you've got me off my skis. But not at you. It's cussing. Every once in a while I'll say cursing. I never, you swear. Why are you swearing? And I feel like it's just interchangeable.

Again, it depends on where you live. If I say cuss in New York, people look at me, like I have low IQ. Yeah. That's what they do. No. But if I come home and I don't say cuss, and it's like, you're not. Texas anymore. Yeah. What's your, right. Stop it.

All fair. It's like the depart of the house. You lived in New York for longer than I have, by the way, please. Sorry? You lived in New York for longer than I have, so you can't say that. I never became a Duncan fan. I saw a video, Duncan Coates left, boys. Did you know that? Here's the video. I'm going to steal this content for 30 seconds. Tip of the hat to the two guys on Instagram

that I have no idea who they are. But, Patrick. Ben Affleck, Matt Damon. Uh, chick fillet. Code left or code right? Right. That's pretty easy. Of course, easy.

That's easy. McDonald's, code left, code right. Uh, leans left. Huh. Oh, no, these guys, and I agree, McDonald's is right. I would say they're pretty dumb little. I don't know. What about them is right?

Well, I am going to be off on this, and I'll tell you at the end of this analysis. Okay, all right. Taco Bell. I'll leave that to Patrick. I would say left. Resident Taco Bell expert. I'm not going to speak on his culture. I'm not going to speak.

That is my culture. No circumstances could put Patrick say it codes left. It is literally, yeah, it is his culture. Yeah, no, I know. I'm not going to steal it from him. I'll keep my mouth shut. Big part of his personality. What about Wendy's?

That's my culture. Wendy's is a tough one for these guys. Winnie's is your culture? I love, I love Wendy's. If I had to pick one fast food, it would be Wendy's. Do you do the fries and this frosty? Never been, no. I'm not fan of that.

No, but I do, like, I think that their burgers are the best burgers of all fast food. Facts, facts. Chick-fil-A, it's like, it's like the greatest athlete of all-time debate, like messy and then everybody else, right? We've done this. Chip-fil-A, you've done this. Chip-fil-A, did. And then everybody else. It's different to me.

Chick-flay's all right. If I want chicken, then yes. But if I just want a burger and fries, it's always going to be Wendy's. Yeah. Not what a burger. I think what a, I know the, my text is, my fellow. Texans are going to be pissed. I'm already pissed at the way you said it. That is like

incredibly offensive. I didn't like it. I don't know anything you said after that. What did I say? What a burger? Anything you stop it. How do you say it? That is so ugly. It's water. That's fair. You stop that right now. It's a record scratch. I mean, I lived in New York. Why are you saying Wood a burger?

I didn't say it like that. Yeah, you did. I said What a burger. Waterburger. Waterburger. Whatever you said that I said was even uglier than what a burger. I said. It's Waterburger. Like water. No, it's not. Yeah, it is. There's an H in there. What? It's spelled W.H.A. Here comes Ed. Ed. Am I right? See?

Your girlfriend's here. You were going to take any, like you were going to do anything else. Ed, Ed, it's okay. I can be your girlfriend if you'll have my side. As long as you don't disagree. As long as... I mean, Casey would have said anything. It's like, she right. He right. Go off, King. Ed's my king now. There is an H in it, Will. I'm no one saying it. Waterburger. No, you're leaving out the H. When I say, what are you doing? You're saying water like you're from on the outskirts of Pittsburgh.

I said what. What a good. Like what are you doing? What a burger? You said, what a burger? Yes. That's what I'm saying, Ed. No, you're not.

And says in the commercials, they say, what a burger? What a burger? I feel like we're saying the same thing now. Water burger. It's overrated. The long and short of this is. When you talk on this program, you have to tell the truth. So I got to know, Connor, are you pro-Gaza or pro-Israel?

I'm not putting his mic on. Don't put poor Connor in that. His mic is off. We're not going there. Do you think it's a landmine, Connor? Do you think? How does Connor say, what a burger? He's a new teacher.

What do you think about our fiscal policies? All right, Connor, you had your chance. You were about to become a broadcasting legend. you're about to break through. All it took was unvarnished honesty. And you failed. You couldn't tell me how Dan cussed me out and you had no opinion on Gaza, Israel.

And that that, it's over for you. So turn off his mic. We'll see you in a couple months. He did snitch a little bit on Dan and said that he does cuss at you. I appreciate it because I do. This Israel Gaza thing is actually not a complete non sequitur.

It's actually here. It's here, as it always is in every conversation, in the World Cup final. So whether or not you knew it, which team you rooted for, Spain or Argentina, said something according to, and this is so disappointing, I know he's a far lefty, I know it. But he's a phenomenal actor, Javier Bardem. I mean, Anton Shiger is, it's enough. Like, you're, his playing Anton Shiger in No Country for Old Men, it's like at that point, it's like your Hall of Fame level. acting here. What about Vicki Christina Barcelona?

Yeah, I like that because I was a big Penelope Cruz fan. Big. As you should be. As I should be. Yeah, as you should be. Flown off the radar. Yeah, she has. But she's always in the goat conversation, so I feel like. She's hanging out with Brad Pitt at the World Cup. Listen, I could talk about this. Oh, I want to contact. As also, she should be.

I may give Connor a chance back on the mic on the goat conversation. Prepare, Connor. Oh, my God. He's so young. Javier Bardem, who's a huge lefty. Who's the other Latino huge lefty that I sort of like. him as an actor too. The one that's in The Last of Us and Narcos. Oh, Pedro Pascal? Pedro Pescal. Pedro Pescal. Performative male. Javier Bardem has takes on Israel, Gaza, Palestine, Spain, Argentina.

The actions that we've been witnessing through all these years towards the Palestinian population are so atrocious. They are so horrible to understand or make sense of that anybody with a minimal common sense understand that that is wrong. So he goes on to say that Javier Malie has been Malay, Malie, has, do you know how ever Malay is? No? Mm-mm. Should I? You want me to lie? I like having you on the show for this reason.

This is good. Not to make fun of you. You're being patronizing. I'm not either. You have a look in your eyes that is patronizing. It's an accessible... Ed, can you come in here and help me? It's an accessible point of view.

The audience, maybe not everybody listening also knows who Javier Malay is, right? I do. Watch this. Connor. Who's Javier Malay? Javier Malay? I don't know who that is. I know Javier Malay. I know Javier Malay.

He wasn't listening to you. Why are you putting on a Spanish accent? Am I the only one that heard that? Where that come from? He's from Catic, Doc. He's half a Spanish. He just pulled an AOC on us. Aren't you from like Westchester?

I'm from Fairfield, Even worse. He sounds like a Democrat in a debate. Big difference. There's a state line there. The rich people in Connecticut versus the rich people in New York. Patrick, I just said he pulled an AOC on us. I'm glad we were on the same page.

He wanted to be correct on how he said their name. Javier Malay is the president of Argentina. He is conservative. Yes. Patrick, how about this? Would you say he is a narco-libertarian conservative? He's pretty far. I wouldn't say alt-right, but he's like,

Milton Freeman slash the government. We're getting inflation under control. We're shrinking the size of government. And it's phenomenal in revolutionary in Argentina. They literally went from 300% inflation to 30% inflation within two years. Is that your hero? What he's doing, yeah, I mean, for a politician, he's killing it, killing it. And he's got a Beatles mod cut.

That's his haircut. Yeah. Yeah, I'm digging. I want to see what it looks like. So Javier Bardem is saying that Malay is, is, close with Netanyahu, and he's conservative, and therefore Argentina is the pro-Israel party in the World Cup final. Meanwhile, Spain politically, today, is super far left, and notably very pro-Palestinian. Some people say anti-Semitic, I think. And so he's saying that the

World Cup is a proxy for your views on this global issue. Interestingly, who he's talking to in that clip is Medi Hassan. Do you know who Medi Hassan is? Don't do this to me. Just keep rolling. No, I like that you don't know. Just don't. Just don't. You're patronizing. Just keep going. No. Just keep going. Medi Hassan is an anti-American political commentator, revolutionary Islamal fascist on the far left. Okay. Now I know who is. Was that accurate? I write up that off. I think I nailed it.

That's really good. Yeah. Yeah. You're teaching you things. Should be denaturalized and sit back. Let's take a quick break, but continue this with Casey Smith from Barstool here on Will Kane Country. My name is Peter Parker, but I'm also Spider-Man. This July, we're faced with a threat. That can be anyone. The world may have forgotten Peter Parker.

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Well, okay, we're just going to stream of consciousness to do some non-sequiters here. While we're on the topic of getting people out of the country, we got a few more candidates. Talk about the goats to go. Let's also, because it's inefficient to do this one at a time in it, we've got to fill the bus. Let's put, where's my clicker? It's way over there. How about that? It's all right.

Come on, Scott. Dan will do it. Dan will do it. What happened, Scott? I'll get it. Where is it? I got it. Dan, put it up full screen.

Picture of Hassan Piker. Lefty streamer. Thank you, Ed. Thank you, Ed. It's up on the screen. Scott said, oh, one of the critical components of the show. Just an absolutely necessary component. I distracted him.

It was probably my fault somehow. All right, Hassan Piker, you know him. All right, so look at this picture. What you can see in this picture, if you're listening on Spotify or Apple, it's him at a streaming station in his home with his paraphernalia on the wall. Somebody has circled new paraphernalia that showed up recently on his wall. And you've got another picture that zooms in on it, Dan. What is that picture?

Oh, that's real? That's real. That's on his wall. That's not AI. He's got the cover of the New York Times from 912, 2001. Yep. U.S. attacked, hijacked jets, destroy twin towers, and hit Pentagon Day of Terror. Who is watching him? This is what's scarier. Like, not the fact that he just has that, because I would have thought that was AI 100%. Who's watching him that agrees with that? That's what scares me more. And how many people think that that's an okay thing to do?

I know. That's what's so scary to me. I will tell you guys this, and I'm just going to say this because I feel like I like full transparency. When I was in the newspaper business and I own small town newspapers, and I still do, I don't do it as much anymore. I collect famous newspapers. Sure. So, like, I would buy the front page of the New York Times. Oh, no, the Dallas Morning News, the day after JFK was killed, right? It didn't mean I'm celebrating that. That's not just going on.

I have a 9-11. I might have that one. Actually, I might have that one, the 9-12 New York Times. I know for a fact that I do. I do the same thing, like the Aggie. bonfire tragedy, all that. I was very young. My parents have all the Princess Diana. I think I was like five when that happened. But I was very wanting to know, very much wanting to collect them. Displaying them is different. No, I had them framed in the newspaper office. Really? Yeah.

JFK. Well, newspaper office is different. I don't know if I had that 9-12, but I don't think it's the same thing. It's not. This is a single newspaper that you are putting up. And by the way, with the way you've talked about politics, seems to be a direct message about how you feel about this moment in American history. And this is the same dude. Yesterday, we talked a little bit about the fact he's wearing a Mao Zedong costume, essentially, when he's given speeches. And I said to you these guys, do who Mousa Dong is? We talked about this on Monday. Just keep it rolling. Okay, just here's why I bring it up. I don't think a lot of people do. And I took for granted. And when I did the segment, both on TV and here, we talked about how absurd it is that he's wearing a Mouss

A dong costume. I was here when we did that. So didn't we do that on Monday? Am I crazy? I don't know. I don't remember. Just whatever. Keep talking. Also known as chairman now. He didn't leave an impression. Should I just leave? Should I just go? History less than the mouth.

I'm not patronizing. I'm not throwing you. I know you're not. Do you know who Adolf Hitler is? Yes. Can you please come save me? This is rude. Do you know Joseph Stalin is?

Yes. Can you just, can you? I'm not doing this to you. I'm making a point. No, no, no. No. Yeah, Ed, right. What point?

No one asked you, Ed? I did. But do you know who Mao Zedong is? No, I do not. Okay. So that's not about you. This is not about you. Casey's the voice of the Everyman on our show.

I really don't like it. I took for granted that people know who Mousaedong is when I talked about him wearing the Mousa Dong costume. And I think that a lot of people are actually like you, Casey. And I'm not talking about people who don't just pay attention to politics. I think people that pay attention to politics don't actually even know who Mousadong is. And we, everybody in America knows who Adolf Hitler is. And they know his atrocities. And they know what he did.

Patrick, I don't know if you did the quick fact check on this. We talked about this morning. How many people did Mao Zedong kill? How many people did Joseph Stalin kill? Huh? 40 to 60 million. Mao killed. 40 to 60 million.

How many of Hitler killed? Stalin was 25 to 50 million. The only one bigger than Mao was. And Hitler is like. I feel like everybody knows. Hitler and Stalin. Okay. And by the way, are those figures, are those war death figures or actual like ethnic cleansing

genocide, you know, killing the civilian population figures? Genocide all figures. The point is, Casey, and this is why it really isn't about you. The question is, why don't you know who Mao Zedong is? And that's not on you. The question is, why would the American population at large not know how awful Mao Zedong is? And to a lesser extent, Joseph Stalin is, as compared to Adolf Hitler. Okay?

This is not to diminish the knowledge we have about Adolf Hitler. The question is, why don't we have the same level of knowledge about Stalin and Mao Zedong? And we wake up one day, i.e. today, and somebody can wear a Mao Zedong costume on TV and not be heckled out of America. If he wore a Nazi costume, it would scream across every national news network. he would never come within an arm's length of a politician of any sort. He's standing side by side with Abdul al-Sayed and Zoraamandani. And here he is wearing a man who killed, what did you say, 40 to 60 million in China. So why?

That is crazy. I mean, you can even say if he came out with the Hitler-style mustache, like that's well-known enough. So, yeah, you're right. I have no. Yeah, but I mean, I can imagine at some point he might do something crazy like that. But you're right. I mean, I have no idea what the answer is why. Well, Spencer Pratt, former candidate for mayor,

Los Angeles said, I'll tell you why. This is his theory. Because there are enough people who are, in the words of Soviet communist ideology, fellow travelers, with people that buy into these ideologies, whether or not that's communism as represented by the USSR or China, and downplay the significance of the atrocities that they committed in pursuit of those ideological goals. even if those ideological goals themselves were simply a vehicle for personal power. So our informational institutions, IA, education, and media, have not told you. Yes, they talk about it a little here and there, but it's not like they talk about Hitler. No, or Stalin.

I mean, the American population, I feel like knows Stalin, right? Not like Hitler. Well, no, Hitler is, like, if you're ranking like, who knows who, Hitler is absolutely number one. But people know Stalin. But you rattled off, what did you say, 20 to 50 for Stalin? People don't know that. I don't think they do. Hell no.

I don't think they know how. Do you think it's a race thing? He literally committed, you've said it, Patrick, and we did it on this show a couple years ago when the Ukrainian war started. The way he systematically killed Ukrainians, the almost in not the entirety, but a gigantic percentage of the population of Ukraine. Now, he did it through starvation, forced starvation. Confuscate literally went in, took the food, and took it back to Moscow, took it to Soviet Union, leaving the people who grew the food in Ukraine. To die. They were ordered to cannibalism.

Right. So a lot of them. I mean, and so there have been movies, I will say, there have been a movie, there's a great movie I've talked about. Is it called Mr. Jones about that? I'm about to say, is it because maybe even just, and whether it's fair or not, it's also like pop culture and movies and TV and all that. There's tons about Hitler in World War II. There's a good amount about Stalin. Maybe there's not enough.

Not to say that that's the way people should learn about stuff, but I mean, that's part of it, right? The left explains it away. It's like defending, you know, just like Palestine, they explain away Hamas killing because they're freedom fighters, you know what I mean? And like being okay with 9-11. So they rewrite this history. And so it's okay, but not, you know, certain ones. It's just, it's insane. I'm going to tell you, we're getting.

to the point, and I'm okay having this conversation on this show because this show is where we've kind of sort out our thoughts. As somebody who believes devotedly to the concept of the First Amendment and dissent and disagreement, there is a place at which we are now entertaining figures who are saying things, not designed to simply debate where we're headed as a nation, but to overtly take down us as a nation. Yep, absolutely. And even if Piker's doing it as a grift, the grift in service of his own career is subversive to the existence of the United States of America. Like, we have to have a conversation about what that tolerance actually is.

How much is our freedoms, do our freedoms have to tolerate the extinguishment of our freedoms? Do you see what I'm saying? Is the only way to win that persuasion? So there's that. I didn't know. I thought Dan was going to talk. I thought Dan was going to talk. Dan looked like he was about to talk.

I was messing with me. I didn't want to talk over him. I'm not going there. This is like Palestine and Israel. Yeah. No, it's not. No, it's not. Denaturalized.

Man, denaturalized the court. It's in the documents. Yeah. I'm okay with that. Yeah. We can start there. Okay. Let's do that.

When did it become acceptable? I said it. You know, like, When does it start becoming acceptable? And who supports it and how many people support it? That's what's scarier to me. I can't remember what clip I was going to play, but we're going to get back to it because I always remember. Who supports it?

Let's get into that. Who supports this stuff? Because this is fascinating. This is from Nate Silver. I believe this is a full screen down we have on this. They came out with data on who is supporting the DSA. Do we have a graph on this, Patrick? The DSA sweet spot.

We have a headline. I can find that graph, though. The DSA sweet spot, highly educated, downwardly mobile. It reads, education and economic security are usually correlated, but when there's a relationship breaks down, it's fertile territory for the new left. So it's showing that the people that vote for DSA and the furthest left candidates are, as we know, highly educated. We've known that. This is not a movement of the working class. This is a movement of the highly educated.

But there's another element in there. highly educated that are downwardly mobile economically. So, I'm going to make light of it, but then we'll get more serious. Kids that got basket weaving degrees or gender studies degrees and now finding the job market that has no value. Right? So highly educated and not making much money, maybe less than their parents. And on and on, the kids that get PhDs or whatever and all these things. And then they reach the real world and it's like, nobody wants to pay me for these things that I've studied for the last several years.

this is who is the ideological core center of this DSA far-left movement. And it ties into the thing that I've said several times. It's a movement driven by envy and resentment. And I keep coming back to that quote, and I need to look it up. Who said that? You'll find no greater hatred than the hatred of the merely rich to the truly wealthy. And it's socialism. So what's what you're looking at?

It's like I'm not succeeding, so I need everyone else to be on the same level I am of like this mediocrity. So like everyone has to be the same. as I am because that's what's happening to me. And of course it's not my fault. No one could be a billionaire. No one could be a billionaire and earned it because that's just not allowed because I'm not. If you give them a billion dollars, they're fine with it.

It's so ridiculous. By the way, the converse is true as well. The lowly educated, rich vote very far right. So high school diploma, making over $200,000 a year. Because in a way,

upwardly mobile versus downwardly mobile, is the defining frame of the world and how you then explain to yourself your own upward or downward mobility. Well, a lot of my friends that are in oil and gas that didn't even think about going to college. Right out of high school, they went into the oil and gas industry and now in their 30s and 40s are making a lot of money. Every single one of them are far right. Yeah. Which I mean, I feel like, and especially in Texas, obviously that helps. But it's because there's like, I have no business making this much money, but here I am. So I see that. But I want to. when does that happen with people who are the opposite?

Is it because they can't make it as much money anymore? Does that make, like, when do they decide, okay, I can't make this much money, so now I have to vote the other way? When they graduate from their fifth PhD, did you see that guy they're deporting who's been in school for 15 years? He's a hell of a plant. He's a student in America. He's been in schools for 15 years. So age 35. Where can you rent a car?

they can't make money on the education that they spent money on. Patrick, you're a resentful quasi-alt-right socialist who is upset about the system. Do you buy this? Do you buy these stats? Yeah, that makes sense. You know, you have, see, I think that there are a lot of people, I mean, like, I didn't go to the traditional route through college. And so, you know. Did you homeschool college, too?

No, I went to a community college. Oh. I just wanted to picture his mom. Did most of it online. Homestchooled. Homestrolled sophomore year of college. Do people homeschool college? No.

I guess online college is sort of homeschool. No. Homestchool. I know not all homeschooling is by your parents, but I feel like that's the stereotype. Like I hope there are parents not homeschooling their 20-year-old kids. You're right. Hom schooling actually even at lower grades is now, I mean, it's parent-led, but it's online mostly. Right. And maybe that shows my age a little bit, too. Like the kids that were homeschooled when I was growing up, taught by their parents. We're taught by their parents. So if there's a, if there is a mom or dad out there teaching their 20-year-old,

what they would learn at a university, I have a problem with that. I'm in law school. Where? Home school. My mom. Constitution's a constitution, so I don't know what you want to. That's a good point. All right. Community College, Florida State. fan we know. I'm just messing with you. Go ahead. I was accepted to Florida State. I just didn't go because, you know, it would have been put me in a lot of debt and I didn't really want to go that route. So I wasn't, I wasn't kicking the shins on Florida State. I'm just saying. I mean, like, I got to go on there if I want to go to Florida state. Yeah, yeah. Do a lot of people in Florida, you know how like in Texas, if you didn't go to Texas, there's still a lot of people that are fans of the Longhorns.

Like almost everybody that's an addictian fan went to Texas A&M. Okay. Are we doing this right now? No, but I'm just saying, what is the college like that in Florida? Is it Gators? Like if you didn't go to the college, or Miami. You're just a fan of that school. Is it Florida? I would say Miami.

Because we were all good. Yeah, we were all good at one point. So like the 80s was a hurricane, so people probably were more leaning toward Miami. Miami sucked through the 90s, but Florida and Florida State were great. And then you had the early 2000. success in Miami. And then Florida's kind of sucked since, you know, Urban Meyer left. But I think it's all split.

The T-shirt fans, I feel like, and maybe it is because my age, because those early 2000s, Miami's team were so much fun to watch. Like, I feel like a lot of people became Miami fans because of that. Is that what y'all call them a Barstall? T-shirt fans? Yeah. Yeah. Not just at Barstall.

I feel like that's been a thing forever. Okay. What is that? I need to get on, yeah. What? You've never heard that before? Maybe. But it's never, it's never gone into the lexicon.

Like, you're going. going to go buy a t-shirt of a school that you didn't go to. You're a T-shirt fan. Right. Which, by the way, I don't necessarily find to be a bad thing. I know a lot of people try to use as an insult. Like, if you want to be a fan of A&M because you like our football program, I'm all for it. I'm an O'Don-AM. But don't talk about the school. When Johnny Mansell was playing for A&M, T-shirt. You're different on two fronts. You're a front-runner, period. I was when I was younger.

And second, you're from the Northeast. And I think everybody. in the Northeast is a T-shirt fan. Everybody, because the colleges that y'all chose to go to don't give you actually something to root for. I agree with that. My state doesn't even have one professional sports team. Go to Holy Cross and become a university of North Carolina. You're Boston College to become Matt Ryan? Please, come on.

This is where I don't, like, I don't think you can be a T-shirt fan of professional teams. I know I'm not, I'm not going to derail this whole show, but I don't think that you can be a T-shirt fan of a professional. You can be a T-shirt fan of a university because you didn't go there. Yeah, I was going to say. Right. So when he said there's no professional teams, that to me, it's like you just can pick. But what you didn't go to the school that you're rooting for, you're probably a T-shirt fan. Yeah.

Which I don't think is necessarily a black fan. What if you went to graduate school there? No, it counts. A lot of my friends. Well, listen. But I'm like JV. A lot of my friends would treat me like I'm JV. Well, yeah, just like, you know, you try to say, oh, I'm all Texas.

And then you went to school in Pepper 9. So yeah. Right. Right. Correct. But I went to law school, Texas. But you didn't choose to stay in Texas for college. I'm a JV. I've got a claim, but it's a JV.

I will tell you the first time that I really put together that you claim to be the biggest Longhorn of all time and you hate A&M. I said no such things. You held yourself that way on one of the-E. Ella, am I on the same level as you? Ella goes to UT right now. Ella, she's not going to go against you? Do I have as much right to be a Longhorn fan as you? I thought you're saying Ellie wrong.

Do I have as much right? No, it's not Ellie. It's Ella. I thought you were literally saying her name wrong. No, Ella is interning with us from the University of Texas. Do I have as much claim to be a Longhorn fan as you? Oh, yes. You have the degree.

Yeah, but undergrad experience is different. Undergrad experience is different. I agree. He has a degree, but I do, just from a Texas standpoint, you choosing to go to Pepperdine over going to Texas or A&M or tech or whatever does take a little bit off of it to me. Okay. I think the worst conflict, the worst conflict is like my grandfather. who went to UNC and Duke.

So, like, he got like a master's for both. Those guys, but I have A&M buddies who went to UT law school. They don't root for the Longhorns. They're A&M guys. And I think that's right. You go with your undergrad if there's a conflict. That is fair. Like, if you were rooting for if Pepperdine had a college football team.

Correct. Then, yes. We just have places. This would be hard. If Pepperdon played Texas in the NCAA tournament and basketball. Who would you root for? I would probably root for Pepper 9. The only challenge for me on this is Pepperdine hasn't been in the tournament in a long, long time.

Right. And so your fandom withers a little bit. So I haven't been investing in them and knowing the roster and knowing everybody's coming out where I do. I can tell you the Longhorns who they got in the transfer portal. Did you grow up a Texas fan? I became a Texas fan in high school. I grew up first. My first T-shirt fandom was SMU.

Okay. I thought you were going to say NEM. But my dad is a violator on this. My dad went to TCU. He got his law degree from SMU, but he rooted for SMU. I don't know why. We had a better time at SMU maybe? We never got that. I don't know.

Well, SMU was really good in the 80s. They get him a car? And TCU was not. He did not get, he got his own cars. What did he think about the death penalty? Well, that's when my SMU fandom died. Yeah. I mean, the death penalty will do that.

Yeah. It's fair. They're just not playing. So I remember one of the first times I really became a Texas fan. I rooted for them and they played Miami in the Cotton Bowl. And it's the game where Miami. You guys ever seen, there's documentaries on this one where Miami rolled in under Jimmy Johnson and just destroyed Texas. It was just a disgusting display of football.

And this was in the gold chain hot tub era of Miami. Yes. Yeah, the colored visors, like, you know, where you couldn't see through them the polarize, like all of that. I think this is pre-visor. This is pre-visor. Yeah, this is early 90s. I feel like they wore them for like two decades. Not Michael Irvin, but it's Warren Sapp.

I know the team. For some reason, I thought they still had the visors in. But whatever. beside the point. We completely derailed that. Yeah, we're all over the place, including this from Chevron. Since 1879, their people have been more than a source of energy. They've been a source of progress helping deliver record U.S. energy production, fueling the breakthrough that moves America forward.

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I'm doing the Trumpian weave. But Patrick, I did cut you off. You had a substantive point before we got derailed. on Florida State. Did I? I knew he would remember. I knew. I was looking at it, but I know there was a little bit of a delay.

I, yeah, why did I try? That's a great question. Did you want him to fail there? He said it as he was coming out of my mouth. You did. I knew. Yeah, no, I know he does. I knew he wouldn't remember.

He had something to say about the fact that Far Left DSA indexes highly educated, downwardly mobile economically. Oh yeah, so I feel like, you know, I came up from a relatively lower income family. And so like, you know, you kind of learn a certain work ethic and you kind of expect things done a certain way. And so I can imagine coming from higher up and then expecting the world to kind of like, I feel like you think the world is going to work a certain way for you and for it not to is kind of demoralize. or I could see you becoming a victim. Can I ask you a question? This is a source of a lot of our debates.

When you say this phrase, I mean this, I'm genuinely curious about this. We have not, you and I have not fully had this conversation on the phone via text, so no better place than right here. Sure. When you say the system is not working for you in the way that you anticipated, what do you mean? No, I'm saying the system doesn't work for, you know, the average American in the way that like you had a big, a big middle class. The middle class, like if you if you watch a sitcom, everyone kind of expects that lifestyle where it's like, oh, Al Bundy was a shoe salesman. He had, he had a stay-at-home wife, and, you know, he was able to support a family with a nice three-bedroom house. The Simpsons

was the same way. Everyone kind of expects the American dream to be a certain way. And, and so, like, if you work hard and you, and you put some effort forward, then you kind of, you kind of expect to live that lifestyle of the American middle class. And I feel like, and I think statistically it plays out this way, that that is shrinking for a lot of people. So, but, so then therefore you feel some sense of resentment. And that resentment manifests in what? I don't, I mean, I don't personally feel resentment. You don't?

like I could no I'm trying listen I mean like I'm trying to kind of wave a red a red flag yeah a red flag that for some for people who aren't really being heard and I think like when you look at historically when especially young men kind of feel like they're not a piece of society that's when they will kind of take it down I think Jordan Peterson has actually talked about this and I think you actually asked him when he was on. And it's like, you do have to grab it. So when guys say this, I saw, okay, very legitimate points, both of which you are making, both of you.

So you're talking about the difficulty in buying a home, the difficulty in upgrading your home, the difficulty in affording the everyday items of life, i.e. groceries and gasoline, these things you feel like are harder than the vision of the Simpson. Correct. And I feel like, I don't think it's necessarily, so I think that we're talking about two different groups of people. So the people with the DSA who are highly educated, and they're coming from like higher levels of wealth, and then they're kind of kicked down to a lower level. I think that's a different mentality. By their own choices. By their own choices. Exactly. Exactly. I think that's a different thing than what I'm talking about, which is ideally you'd have the upper mobility

within American society to have that lifestyle, that, you know, that middle class lifestyle. So jump in whenever you like, Casey. I'm loving this back and forth. So, okay. And then we get to Dan's point. I think everything you say is true. I do not know that I believe that is contributing in any significant way to the rise of, we'll call it, democratic socialism on the left.

And I don't think you disagree with me on that. I think we have the stats. we can see the individuals behind it. They do not fit the prototype. And maybe first round by who watches and comments on the show, who calls himself a Democratic socialist. I'm curious what his place in the American economy is, you know, as you just described. But so I think your diagnosis, even though it doesn't apply to that rise of socialism,

is true. And I do believe it's a red flag. I do believe it's a red flag. But then you get to what can be done about it, right? And we can't be just backward looking. Some of this diagnosis is good. There are things that contributed to it. I do believe that certain free trade ideologies and agreements that we made over time

shipped what would have been middle class jobs to other places in the world. And that hollowed out small towns and middle class across America. I don't know, though, Patrick, we could have ever kept those jobs. Because an economy that continues to grow needs more highly specialized jobs and jobs that become easier to do will go to the lowest common denominator, the lowest factor, the lowest price point, right? And so what would that mean?

If we were making, for lack of a better analogy for the moment, T-shirts in Iowa and not in Vietnam, those T-shirts would be more expensive. And maybe that's fine. We've chased low consumer good products. This thing, the iPhone, we all have in our hands. It gets cheaper and cheaper, because of the cheap cost of labor in Vietnam and China.

So are we as society willing to pay more in order to keep artificially inflated prices by protecting a certain class of workers, right? Do you think that the gas pumpers in New Jersey should be protected? Right. That's the one state in the country where you can't pump your own gas. Right. When I was a kid, because I'm older than all of you guys, you had that choice, full service or self-service. That's gone. No such thing as full service, except for in New Jersey where that job was legislatively protected.

And that's the type of thing you would have to do, Patrick, to keep those kinds of jobs in America and that portion of our working base not hollowed out. Agreed. Yeah, I'm going to complete with you. I just think that we need to be honest about the fact that capitalism is a creative, destructive force. I know you believe that one, too. that's the other policy, I think we have to mention it, illegal immigration. And so when we, so capitalism is a creative destructive force. And so that destruction is going to be felt, you know, especially on the lower levels of capitalism, as things shift. It doesn't mean that progress is bad.

It just means that, you know, we need to be aware of progress changes. The consequences of these, the progress is going to change things. Correct. And there's a lot of people. Right. But there are a lot of people who went, they were told, you know, learn to code, and they went out and did it, and they got a lot of debt because of it. And then we ship an H-1B visa jobs into America, and we take all those jobs away. Or we sit, you know, outsource.

And it's become a specialized job market, like you were saying, but those job markets change and those needs for jobs change just like that, really, really fast. So it's hard to keep up. And how you do those jobs. in the rate of progress, by the way, and the rate of advancement is something that is hard for one human lifetime to reconcile with. So the image of our grandfathers who had one job for the majority of their career, one, when I say job, one company, get the gold watch. You had a career. That is not, that's not something that can be preserved. I don't think you can keep that because as we continue to progress, the rate of disruption gets faster, right?

And so this is why I talk to my son about when they go to college. I'm like, I don't know that I, if you'd ask me 10 years ago, go get a skill. Get an actual skill. But now, but now I don't think that's the right thing to do because skills are so perishable. And the rate of destruction on a skill is so fast now that the thing that I actually want them to learn is adaptability and critical thinking. Because that's the one thing that will carry you through a lifetime. Because you will have to reinvent yourself. at this stage, I think you're probably going to have to reinvent you.

I'd put the over under it half a dozen times in a life. You might have to reinvent yourself. You might do something from 20 to 28, 22 to 28. That may be different than what you do from 28 to 35 and on and on from 35 to 45. You're going to have to reinvent yourself. And when you do, you don't stay on that path of I got a raise. I make 5% more every year for 50 years and then I get the gold watch. But inflation is going way faster than that.

And you still can't afford that. Well, that's, and that's a different issue. A big one, yes. But, like, that's what college teaches you. College doesn't just teach you a skill in a specific area of knowledge. It teaches you how to learn. It teaches you how to adapt and how to do those things. So people talk about college where, like, if done correctly, yes.

People talk about college getting, like, a BS degree, whatever. You learn more than just that. about going through life and going into the job market and learning those things. So I just, I think college is still important. I don't know if it was Harvard or MIT recently. They noticed that a bunch of their students were making like high 80s, low 90s on these exams. And so then they took away whatever they could use and they made them all come in person. And the average went down to like the 40s because everyone was using AI.

Okay, I understand that. But we should be teaching these kids how to use AI and how to do it the right way because AI is going to be. be there. You have to teach them to adapt to use it, not take it away, because they're not going to go into real life and stop using AI. So I have a problem with that. So it's like I saw that the tweet was like, well, these are our future doctors and lawyers. Yeah, of course they are. And they're going to continue to use AI just like we all do. So let's find a way to teach them how to do that. The problem is the professors don't know how to use it. I had a professor at A&M in my journalism degree that refused to talk about social media. He only wanted to teach us how to write newspapers. I was never going to

write for a newspaper, but he didn't know how to adapt. So he couldn't teach how to adapt. That's a problem. Yeah. And so that takes us to what you said, Dan, you've got to go get it. You've got to go get it. Create something new. Those red flags are real, Patrick, I don't know how you solve for those red flags other than the cultural. I had this conversation this morning.

We're all over the place. I'm loving this conversation, and it's way off my timing. But I like it. We were talking yesterday, and then I took some. I took some guys out. I was set up to, they visited the show, I took them out. They were all in oil and gas, right? Some of them were interns, and they were like in their 20s.

And, you know, I will tell you, in talking to those guys, I was impressed, even with the young guys on their culture. I'm going to put it that way, their mindset. And it's very risk-tolerant. It's very ambitious. It's, I think it's what you would call precocious. even for a 20-year-old, 21-year-old, and certain jobs, certain industries attract or have, certain industries have certain cultures. You said a moment ago you were bringing up oil and gas, why they're all conservative. Well, I thought about it when you said it.

The culture of oil and gas is going to – I've wondered why is oil and gas conservative and journalism is liberal, right? Well, the culture of oil and gas is risk tolerance, ambition, and edgy. like rough elbows. Mm-hmm. Especially if you read any of the history of oil and gas, the men who made it to the top. And by the way, some of those men, very famous, not necessarily what you'd say, the most ethical business conduct throughout their life. But they... Hmm?

You're taking, not giving. You know, you're taking something. No. No, that's some, that was some lefty social stuff leaking out of you right there. No. It's like, who can get the deal, man? And who can get the best deal on the deal? and it's an extreme competition, and everything's on the line.

I will go bankrupt. And most of those guys did go bankrupt multiple times on occasions in their lives before they got stupid rich, right? And that's going to attract, that is a certain culture, and that makes people a certain way. So I was talking with a buddy this morning. I was like, what do you think the culture of tech is? Because now, in a way, you can say that's the modern-day wildcatter. But it's a different culture. It's a nerdy culture, right?

It's a smart culture. but what is the culture of those guys going into those industries? They're still cutthroat. You could do this with doctors. You could do this with doctors. What kind of people are, culturally, what kind of person is choosing to be a doctor today? Because I would forge you, it's a very different person that was choosing to be a doctor 30 years ago. And on and on.

And my point is the culture at large is going to require people to be more like oil and gas. It's, you know, or tech. it's going to require you to think creatively, resiliently, risky, not risky like young men are into betting. That's not what I'm talking about. I think there's a lot of betting culture in the finance world. Betting is different than calculated risks within an economy.

So anyway, Dan says go get it, Patrick. Ultimately, if I'm giving someone interpersonal advice, that is the advice. what we do macroeconomically, I don't. I honestly do not know. But we're missing a whole kind of industry here, the online industry, the influencer, the YouTube, or the streamer, that's an option for them. And to them, it seems like that's going and grabbing something because that's an area where you can try to do that. I just know how big that industry actually is. I know, but they think it is.

I know about how many people. But they think it is. I think a lot more than you think. But it might be, in the grand scheme of human history, it might be a very, you know, small amount of people. But I do believe that there are a lot of people that, and we might not even know who they are. Like, we talked about streamers. Streamers make a ton

of money just sitting and talking. Ask a high school or what they want to do. So now, now when you talk, like when I talk to younger girls that want to get into sports reporting or the sports industry, I don't even know what to tell them as much because when I was trying to do it, I couldn't just pick up my phone

and have an opinion and put it on the internet and get paid to do it. Now you can. So I think that that could change. But the thing, and going back to oil and gas, I feel like you knew if you were not going to go to college, you were going to have to start the lowest possible level to be in oil and gas. And you're going to have to do the jobs no one wants to do. And you're going to

have to keep working really, really hard and get dirty to get there. Now, with this influencer culture as a whole, you could just get on your phone and be really good at something, and you're at the top of that right away. So it takes away people thinking they have to be a hard worker in what they do. And there's no edginess. You don't have to be edgy. It's true. It takes it away because you don't

You don't. But every. Thank you, Ed. Stop the program. Thank you, Ed. Thank you, Ed. Oh, my God. Ed agrees. Ed agrees.

No, but it is true because now there's this shortcut where a lot of these industries there's not. To be a doctor, there's not a shortcut. To be a lawyer, there's not a shortcut. People can make a ton of money from their house just using their phone.

And you don't have to know stuff either. Like, yes, there are people that are good at sports or news. You don't have to even talk to real people. You're just talking to somebody who's watching their phone because we're all sitting here scrolling all day every day and now it's monetizable. So people don't have to think they have to work hard.

I mean, Dan, you and I have had this conversation about influencers, especially political influencers that are younger, that they're in their early 20s and they think they have the entire world figured out because somebody gave them a brand deal that said, we'll give you 10 grand to go talk about DEI policies at Target. And by the way, and they have followers that listen. So then they think They don't have to go mainstream. They don't have to work hard in it. And I'm not saying you don't work hard in content creation, by the way. I know a lot of people who really do.

But you can skip all that process now. I don't know if that is, I don't know if it's long term. I don't know if it's. I just don't think there's a lot of money long term in content creation. My only fans, I've made like $10 the whole time. Are you promoting it, Patrick? Do you need me to promote it for you? I try.

What do you do on your only fans? I don't want to know what he does. You do not want to know what he does. He does political rants. Please. Is it a feet thing? No free feet, Patrick. But through a filter.

Only toes. You put your feet through a filter? Yes. Your feet? Yeah. Okay, if that is true, I have a friend. Do you filter out the gout? How do you do?

I don't have gout. Well, I agree with you. There are people that are into that. Is there a gout filter? Oh, there's a gout subculture. Listen. I can't pretend to be into the feet world, but I have a friend. We have a mutual friend, Jersey Jerry at Barstle.

He is a feet guy out and proud. I don't understand feet guys at all. No, but he said there is a, there is a, brain's wired weird. Market for any type of feet. You could have the ugliest feet in the world. So maybe Patrick has really ugly feet and he could be cleaning up right now. What are the odds Patrick has beautiful feet?

I actually have kind of high. I think high. Yeah. He doesn't. Very, very low. Patrick, I'm saying this only because Will has said it. This is not me being mean. Don't you say he doesn't go outside?

Yeah. So like, No, I have very preserved because they don't go outside. I have very smooth and preserved feet

but they look like they have down syndrome. Now I have to see your feet. Put them on camera, Patrick. No free feet, Patrick. You can get paid for this. This is a market.

Don't do it. I'm not doing it. You have not like the- Patrick, can I just, I'm going to, Can you send us a photo? I have friends like this. It's inappropriate.

I'm just going to make a guess. Put him in a group text. You seem to me like the kind of guy that forgets for long periods of times to cut his toenails. Oh, no. That makes me sick for my stomach. No. No. They're very well-cats.

Jim Carrey and dumb and dumber? No. Wouldn't they have to get like the chainsaw out? No. No, I'm very well-roomed now. I'm like a metrosexual. over here. I don't think that's true.

I don't think that's true. See, then I have follow questions I don't want answers to. That's good. My nails trim. Yeah. Okay. I'm not like a, I have questions I just don't want the answers to. Let's take a quick break, but continue this with Casey Smith from Barstool here on Will Kane Country.

When Westcham first took flight in 1996, the vibes were a bit different. People thought denim on denim was peak fashion. Inline skates were everywhere. and two out of three women rocked, the Rachel. While those things stayed in the 90s, one thing that hasn't is that fuzzy feeling you get when WestJet welcomes you on board. Here's to WestJetting since 96.

Travel back in time with us and actually travel with us at westjet.com slash 30 years. What is your deodorant of choice? Old Spice. I'm an old Spieger. Do you shave your chest, Patrick? Me too.

Do you shave your chest? You inherit your deodorant choice from your father. That's a great point. metrosexual. I hate it when Ed does that. I said you inherit your deodorant choice from your father. He goes, I didn't have a dad.

I love that type of humor, Ed. You and I are on the same wavelength. Bear trap. I don't either, I do it again. Because there's just nothing to say. But Patrick said he's metrosexual, so I need to know, does he shave his chest? Patrick is not metrosexual.

I know he's not, but I had to follow up and ask. No, I'm not metrace. Patrick is the anti-metosexual. He's the opposite of a metrosexual. What is the opposite of a metro- Just a sexual. That's you, Patrick. I wanted to know for sure.

Why I wanted to know, I can't answer that. No, no, I would never think that. All right. Maybe this is a good transition. I've been wanting to get to this with the weave for about 40 minutes. This, what? I said, oh God, where are you going now? Do you think you know where I'm going?

No, I'm scared. Content creators who become big time famous, who can, nobody knows. who can sometimes get elected to office. We started the program today talking about Argentina versus Spain. And the idea that it's a proxy for Israel and Gaza, it's also a huge debate about race. And our content-creating queen, Jasmine Crockett, in a House committee hearing, had some takes. The World Cup that captured the imaginations of the entire world when they saw all of these people of color that was playing for all these teams. And ultimately, if you recall, the last two teams, it was Argentina and Spain.

And it seemed like the vast majority of the world was rooting for Argentina or actually against Argentina, right? And why was that? Just give me an explanation if you could guess. If you'll just let them finish the answer. Spain is the best team. Maybe that's why they were rooting for them. There's also a racist history that exists. Mr. Byer, you're recognized.

Thank you. That was the most joyless laugh. She did not think that was funny. I don't get it. Well, I don't know what she's saying. I don't either. That's what I'm saying. I don't understand what her point is.

I know. She's saying it was racist to root for Argentina or to root against Argentina. Because it could go two ways. She could be saying that rooting for Spain is like rooting for Europeans and not the global South Argentina. And so if you're rooting against Argentina, that's racist. But I think, I don't think that's what she was saying. She said there's no black players on Argentina.

I think she was doing that. Yeah. That Argentina is racist. And that racist were rooting for or, or for Argentina. That's what she was saying. Who colonize Argentina? I don't think she fully knew what she was saying either. I think she does that a lot.

This is a thing. I'm talking about her specifically when she, I think she kind of starts saying things. I think she read a headline, and then when she got into it, she realized I didn't read the article. I don't know which way to go with this, but I know that race was involved. This is my thing. I got to do it. Right. And then the fake laugh, the forced laugh, was her realizing I have absolutely no idea.

That guy's a line was great, too. Right. Yes. What a great line. He's like, I don't know. Spain's the better team. Yeah, that's fantastic. Well, the thing that she was trying to do.

The headline she read. Yeah. No, you're better than that. Well, thank you. See? Now I've got your back. loyalty. And the words of Dave Portnoy, great credit to me.

Credit to me. A lot of credit to me for having you back against Jasmine Crockett. I'm the real hero here. The thing she's trying to do is Samuel Jackson did it as well, that Argentina is a racist nation. They don't have black players. Why don't they have black players in Argentina? because the history of Argentina with African slave trade. And I don't do this is going to be a real roller coaster.

Go for it. Patrick, did you do the research on this? Yes, I did. I'm surprised AI let you do it. That's why I use GROC. I'm excited because it's right leaning. So. You're going to be in a music bed for this.

No, you're good. So there was a sharp decline. The estimates range that there was African American pop, African-Argentian population because they're not American like us. I think it's African-American. It's the American. It says Afro-Argentine. Oh.

So it was about 25 to 50% of the city's population of slaves and free people of color in the late 18th and early 19th century. And it got down to less than 2% in Buenos Aires and very low nationwide. And a lot of that was caused by no new slave imports in the early 19th century. wars, disease, and bans on intermarriage and mass European immigration. So those limited

the the Afro population. But they were one of the first countries to end the slave trade in the Americas. So, you know, they have that going for them. The full abolition coming in 1853.

Do you guys also have to clarify in your brain what we're talking about? when we say late 18th, early 19th century? Yes. Yes. Yeah. So I'm not alone on that. No, I have to do the math. I say it in my head, and then I did say it out loud. That means late 1700s, early 1800s.

Yeah. It's not, it messes me up. The 1900s are the 20th century. Yeah, and I don't know why we did that. I get why we did it, but... Well, because the zero's... Right. No, I understand, but I just...

I think everybody collectively does what we do think about it in our heads. They just won't admit it. I don't believe there's anybody that just automatically is like, I know every single one. Yeah, you say, 14th century and I have to go okay 1300s yes well I was I was lamenting the

maybe we're low IQ I'm turning 40 and I'm like well now now I only have like six months or eight months left in my 40th year and my wife corrected me and said actually this is your 41st year like are we in the 250 year

year right now of America or it's the turn of the first I'm already my head's swimming and I don't like this I know yeah because a baby yes because Because a baby's been on the earth for a year when it turns. What's middle-aged? 38.

Not middle-age. No. What is middle-aged? I think 55. That is insanity. Statistically. You do not live to 1-10. Statistically is 38.

75. It's a feeling. It's like you feel. You know what I'm middle-aged? Not yet. He said it. Not yet. Well, Dan and I are the same age.

Dan and I are the same age. You all are middle-aged. Not yet. Do I buy the Corvette now? I'm not there yet. Try being after middle age, whatever that is. But see, I feel like, yes, the actual number of middle age is not 55. But I feel like from a cultural standpoint, middle age is not 38. Yes.

Maybe in Texas it is. I don't know. But in New York, it's definitely not. What is middle age then? What are you saying? What is middle age cultural? When you start acting old or feeling old. I'm already there. It used to be 45. When you stop thinking that swearing is normal and you want to, Stop doing it? Maybe that. I don't know. I don't know. No, I, Dan, you have my back on this. Like, my friends and I in New York that had kids in our 30s, we joke around.

I was like, I feel like a teenage mom in New York. It's different now. So you and Dan don't think you're middle-aged. No. And you're in your late 30s. God, no. Mid-30s. I don't know. I'm late 30s. Whatever.

Well, okay. All right, what's mid-30s? 33 to 37. So, there I am. 37. I'm 38. Don't age me. You're late 30s. Yeah, whatever. For sure.

38's definitely late. 37 you tear on the line. I say I'm 40 already. I don't even care. If you don't think you're middle-aged and y'all are in your late 30s. We're definitely not middle-aged. And you go around acting like you're the same age as 25-year-olds. Sure.

You're embarrassing. I do agree with that. But there's a difference between acting young and being middle-aged. Oh, you think you're young? No. I said. No, in fact, okay, I was having this conversation with Ella and Ellie earlier. What are you?

Middle age sounds so old. Middle age. What are you? In my 30s. Like, I don't think of that. Dan, have my back here. You want to really do this? You're right.

She's 21. No, I've had. 21 year old. We are in our 30s. I want to ask the 21 year old. Ellie and I have had this conversation. Ella, get over closer to the microphone. I won't be able to hear you.

We are young. Is that microphone work where she is? Okay, hey, Ed, open the glass, please. It depends on the person, too, Will. All right. Just speak where I can hear you. There you go. Hi, Ella.

Ella, how old are you? I'm 21. Ella, what is middle-aged? I think middle-age is, like, lower 40s. Lower 40s. Interesting. Interesting. I just think everything nowadays, it takes people a lot longer to settle down and to start to have family,

so everything's just starting to get a little bit push back more, you know? You have so much life. See? Feels like a direct shot. What is, I don't want to use the word old because you're going to, you're going to use that and you're going to extrapolate that out too much. What is somebody 31 old to you? Older, but not old. If a 31-year-old's at the bar that you're at.

Okay, that's a little weird. Yeah, no. What are you doing with a bunch of 20-year-olds? No, I, because, and this is also true, because I do agree with that. I feel like even when I was 21, if I saw somebody in their late 20s early Thursday, like, what are they doing here? But that doesn't make you middle-aged. You then go to the bar where the 30-year-olds or the 40-year-olds go. You move the goalpost, though.

Completely agree with that. What is 51, Ella? That's definitely older. Grandpa. I should do the ER on the end because that's softer. You said that's older. That somehow hits a little softer than that's old. I'm trying to be kind.

My dad's also 51, so. Your dad's older than me. Right. My point. How do you act? You're the same age, though. But he's six months older than me. See?

See? I actually had the conversation with the girls last week, I think, and I said that I believe it's not only where you live and who you're around in the face of life, but also how you act. Because I will meet people who are younger than me, significantly younger, that act older and vice versa. Like, I work for somebody who's almost 50 who does not act like a 50-year-old online. online what but there is a I'm not talking about him

but there is a point where you get to an age oh he's he's acting old now but where you should not be acting younger but I don't think it's acting or it's how you says like how you interact with people

like I'm not purposely going to society says I'm not purposely going into the room and being like I have to is that part of that Ella and Ellie as if I'm their age I just talk to them the way that I talk and if it happens to work

they're not like she's acting younger she just seems young or vice versa. Maybe I seem older. You seem very defensive in this country. Yeah, because they have my back. That whole room. See, they're all shaking their heads. You're talking, look, everybody's gathered around the microphone. Everybody, you know. Only one we're missing is Juanita.

Because they know I'm right. Because you are trying to get me or Dan or whoever on your old side, and we're not going to do it. Oh, I don't need you guys with me. I'm just trying to actually describe reality. I say screw society. But it depends on the reality of where you live. I do think that. Dan, to the point, yes, you're right, there is a certain age, and I am at that age, where you need to stop. Okay? Now, that doesn't mean you can't keep evolving.

Do it. You can evolve. But I don't evolve. No, no, no. You're on the back end of life, technically, okay? So you're 51, 77 is the, you're on the back end of life, okay? But you're a Fox News host at 51. She said I'm not even middle age, the men to go.

No, no, no. She said middle age was 55. Okay. Yeah. I said, like, the way I look at the way people act. There are plenty of 51-year-olds that act old. You do not act old. I don't even want to give you a compliment right now that you're being rude.

I don't want to compliment you, but I was shocked when I learned that you were 51 years old. Okay. Shocked. Yeah, you don't look at all. There are plenty of 51-year-olds that act. You don't look that old. I hate that I'm being nice to him right now. He doesn't deserve it.

But I'm with you, bro. What? We're at the same age. I know that, Ed. So I'm with you. view. I got your back on this one. Thank you, Ed. Do you think that... So you disagree with Casey. I do. He's like, no, I don't.

You think that's fine. We're past the hundred period, boy. All right, Ed, here we go. No, but do you think that women in their mid to late 30s are middle aged? No. That's the point. They could, now you can be an act that way. What I'm getting that is, okay, you were describing acting. Okay, acting is a lot of things as well. But you do reach a certain age. Carrying yourself that way. You shouldn't, for example, wear certain things.

Do I have to buy hocus now? I should not. I got some hey dudes, but they're on backward because there's a huge demand in Jacksonville for the hay dudes. Don't do that. Sponsor of Arsenal Sports. We love hey dudes. We love hey dudes. Patrick is a dedicated hey dudes guy.

They're very easy to slip on and off. But that's kind of like, this is where I am now. I'm joking about the hey dudes. I can't be wearing. Um, Ella's dad wears them and I did, I don't think I should be wearing Jordans anymore. Okay? I'm too old. I disagree.

I'm too old to be wearing Jordans. See, I kind of agree with that. That's what I think. No. That is, that, false. False. I completely disagree. It's true.

Bro, the shoe game is like the boot game. You know, it's like, it's, no, it's not. That's the mistake people make. Really? The shoe game is not the same thing as the boot game. I do agree with that. Boots are an adult footwear choice. Now, that doesn't mean you can't wear when you're young.

definitely can, you should. But boots are a lifetime. You know, I don't look forward to the point where I'm so old I can't wear boots. And there gets to a point where that's like, you know, your feet hurt and it's too hard to wear boots around. But boots are a lifetime. Is that really a thing? Sneakers are not. I disagree. I think it depends on, if you're wearing, you can wear sneakers, but being a, what do you call it, a sneaker head? Yeah. You can't be doing that. If you're wearing if you're wearing super flashy sneakers, Jordan's whatever, I would agree. But I don't think that just because you hit a certain age, you just stop wearing Jordan. I don't think that that's a thing. I think Again, it's how you, not act.

You keep hanging on the word act. How you carry yourself where you're talking, what you do for a living. Those things all play into much more than just your age. I agree, Dan. If it's what you wear, it's yours. Yeah, like if you've always worn them since I was a kid. If you hit a certain age where you have to start where, so what age do you start having to wear like black socks and sandals like my grandfather? Right.

But that's, but that's what I'm. So it's like, why can't a 51-year-old wear Jordans? And Fred Ders should be able to wear a backward hat. Too old. If you have to put Dr. Scholes in the Jordans, you shouldn't be wearing them. That's fair. Also, but my dad's... I hope this has really enlightened you on the transatlantic slave trade to Argentina.

Let's talk about Spain colonizing the South America. I don't know, but we made Jasmine's crockett sound smart. Yeah. That's what we just did. No, we didn't. Impossible. Impossible. Sometimes I don't look.

Nope. I was going to see if Dan sent any viewer comments. I'm sure they're wonderful today. I would like to believe... You want to talk about ESPN's layoffs before we go? Sure. Do you really? I was going to ask you off air. No, I was going to ask you off air what you think. Let's do it on here.

Okay. What do you want to know? Well, do you agree with the optics that it's because they're trying to keep Pat McAfee? Oh, that? Mm-hmm. Oh, I haven't heard the Pat stuff as much as the Stephen A stuff. Well, Pat apparently just took a much bigger deal. And again, I'm just asking you just, I would have done the software.

But just from a standpoint of like all the licensing deals and how much money it now takes to keep him at ESPN to license his show. I don't necessarily believe that it's because of him. But I mean, JJ Watts said it to him on his show yesterday. I think business is business. And I think that ESPN has made the calculation that certain very few talent drive ratings, drive attention. And however they quantify that, they quantify that. YouTube views, television ratings, social. Social media is huge part of it.

Whatever is important to them and who moves the needle is who they're going to reward. And they have metrics on it. That doesn't mean television executives always know objectively and always make the right decisions objectively because there's a lot of subjectivity that goes in as well. Like I like this person. I don't like this person. And headache and image. All these things also come in as well.

But clearly that business has grass. I've advocated towards the things that you spend money on are rights for live sporting events, the production, what's called shoulder programming around the production, and then a few big personalities. And if you're in the quote-unquote middle class, and the middle class has changed over time, then you're going to have a hard time, like we talked about earlier, doing this for a long time. You can do it for a while. you know, Ryan Clark was there for a long time, I think a decade. Who was it that they, the MLB? Was it Carl Ravitch? That's a tough one.

Because he was for 30 years. He's great. He's great. He's really good. That one surprised me. Because I think what would happen to Carl in that situation is he is part of what you would call the shoulder programming of a rights deal and the, the sports that he was invested in and good at and an expert in, they stopped investing in those sports.

He's baseball, right? And he does something else. besides baseball. Does he do NASCAR? Baseball is what his main thing is. But I think his 30-year anniversary was this year. They're not doing much baseball anymore. No. They're not doing baseball. Studio shows. They're not doing baseball shoulder programming. The reason I ask you is because I feel like now you don't ever want to be the person, whether it's Stephen A or Pat McAfee or whoever it may be at any network.

You don't want to be the person that the audience is like, it's your fault. All these people get laid off. But if you really sit there and you think, if Pat McAfee's views, because it isn't just linear TV anymore, we know that. if he is bringing in that much money, it is okay for them to say, hey, we need to keep him. We can cut some other salaries in order to keep him. I don't think that's an issue. Right. But for some reason, the public perception around it is like, well, it's all his fault.

Well, it's not his fault for being good. And Pat are polarizing figures. So there's a sizable contingent of the audience that doesn't like them. But there's also a huge that does. Well, the worst thing, and I know I've said this a lot, and I have to tell myself this, because even in this industry when people hate you, the worst thing you can have is apathy. there's nobody that's apathetic to what Stephen A does or apathetic to what Pat McAfee does if you consume that. Because the worst thing is nobody caring what you're doing.

The problem is that now it's like looking at ESPN and it's like why are why the certain, why Ryan Clark, why Cam Newton? You go down the list. Then people have all these different opinions. At the end of the day, it's a business decision. So some of those. And I don't know how much this goes into play, but it's like the, you know, we all want to be viral. I don't actually that much. But we want to be relevant.

and you don't want people to be apathetic to you. People chase that and what you just said, but some of that creates more headaches than it does reward. And so that's the issue on a lot of personalities. They chase it into headache area. And that's short-sighted. That's factored into your, it's like the Kaepernick thing. You know, like everybody, I'm not comparing any of these people with Kaepernick,

but just on the risk or the headache, versus reward part of it. If Kaepernick had been a top five quarterback in the NFL, odds are it wouldn't have gone that way for Kaepernick, right? But he wasn't. He was a backup quarterback at that stage, and nobody wants a headache for a backup quarterback. That's the God's honest truth. Yes, they don't want you doing it on the job and all those things, but the truth is, if he had been awesome, they probably would have put up with everything. Pat Mahomes could get away with all manner of sin because what he brings to the plus side outweighs a lot of negative side. And that's the same thing for all of us as well. It's everybody. Everybody. Everybody.

And by the way, I actually saw the Breakfast Club talking about this. I've been in this business so of you Casey long enough to say this. All these people get the attention. And they were making like $2 million a year. And they're going to be fine. ESPN laid off 150 people behind the scenes. and ESPN is in a transitional business where they are really having to reinvent themselves to tie into the conversation we had earlier. And I know a lot of these people. I don't, I haven't seen the list, but I guarantee I know a lot of the people that were laid off. Those are the people that I'm more concerned about and that should get the attention because that's a harder thing to reinvent yourself. You weren't making $2 million a year. Excuse me.

And you can't go do a podcast. I heard Cam Newton talk about it. He was like, I'm not going anywhere because I still do fourth and one. Exactly. Ryan Clark's not going to go anywhere. The pivot is still there. the people behind the scenes that can't pick up their phone and make money on social media. That's right. And that, I mean, that's where the attention should be. It doesn't make ESPN the bad guy.

I mean, it's a business. It's a business. And that's... And it sucks. A little bit like, what? The business? Well, that you have to let people go like that. Yeah. And it's back to what we talked about with Patrick. I mean, unfortunately, the hardest thing is a lot of those guys are probably late 50s and have done this for most of their life. And now you have to reinvent yourself or hope that you, uh, saved enough over time? Or go find somewhere else that needs a camera guy or... No, not a lot of ESPN's knocking. Right. It's tough.

But until AI, I mean, I hate to go down like the AI train, but until like that completely changed everything, people always need camera guys. People always need producers. You just have to go find it. It just sucks for those people because it's not, like, hey, I'm Cam Newton. I can then tell you online my opinions.

You have to actually go prove yourself again at 55, 60 years old. So I would say three out of five days a week on this show, I say to the guys in the morning. Today can be a shorter show. We'll go about 40 minutes. Was it one of those days? No, I actually didn't say it today. But we are 80 minutes into this show. And I've enjoyed every minute of it.

The other day, I didn't even think it was as good. I wish I could curse at you right now, but I won't do it. I told Casey the other day, I said, I don't know if that was a good show or not. She's like, she gave me good advice on it. But we need to be careful because I think today was a good show. So my radars are way off on these things. Could be awful. You let us know in the comments, please.

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