Will Cain Country - J.B. Mauney & Douglas Murray: A Cowboy & The Top 5 Revolutions

Episode Date: January 3, 2025

First, Will reflects on his discussion about the difficulty in making a Top 5 list of successful revolutions in history with the author of The War on the West & Columnist at the New York Post and The Sun, Douglas Murray. Then, he revisits a conversation with Bull Riding Hall of Fame Inductee, J.B. Mauney.  Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Eastern time at Fox News YouTube and Fox News Facebook, always available by subscribing on Apple or on Spotify. We were revisiting some of the greatest moments from 2024 here on the Will Cain Show. Back in the spring, I went to the American Rodeo and sat down with one of the few guests that have the ability to intimidate me, but he did not intimidate me because he's an awesome guy and he's a real-life cowboy. J.B. Mone is a famous, a legendary rodeo cowboy, and he sat down with us on the Will Cain Show. But first, we spoke to Douglas Murray about the top five revolutions in history. Here is Douglas Murray. He's a Fox News contributor. He is a deep thinker,

and I always love talking to him. Thanks for being here, Douglas. Great to be with you. Great to see you, Will. When everyone thinks about revolutions, these two revolutions, Douglas are at the top of their mind, America and France. One, to those in the know, understand that the American Revolution is a great historical success.

It's an advancement. It's not just, oh, we managed to overthrow the king, but we managed to create a society that has led to more freedom and prosperity, where that is not par for the course in revolutions. And for those in the note, the French Revolution is largely understood as a failure, not just because the revolutionaries themselves ended up in the guillotine, but the only thing that seemed to then unify France afterwards was a great authoritarian power in Napoleon, some five, six, seven years later.

I'm curious, what is the ingredient that made America's success and made France a failure? It's very hard to point to any one, and historians will always argue over this. but I mean, one of them clearly was the successful separation of powers and the idea that there was an orderly passing over of governance from the first president to the second, for instance. Part of Washington's genius was recognizing his unifying role. Had Washington decided to go back to his farm, maybe the American Revolution would have been different.

But there were enough patriots in the early months and years of the American, American Republic that meant that actually the country did cohere. And whereas in France, you end up effectively, as you say, you sort of, that France effectively, it was like a bungee jump. It was like they couldn't get away from the idea of a monarchical leader. And as you say, that led to Napoleon. And then the Napoleon dynasty is effectively the same thing as having the bourbons or the Habsburgs on your throne or the stewards.

they went to the Napoleons. This America managed to avoid, and as I say, it was by a hair's breadth at times, as we know from the early discussions of the founding fathers. But that ability to peacefully progress from the first to the second, third, and fourth president was one of the things that made the American experiments so unique. So I want to take a broader look of history in the moment and talk about some other revolutions, but I think France is so worthy of study.

So, you know, after King Lou the 16th was executed, and in fact, during that time period, you had the Jacobins, for example, extremists who looked to execute all of their political enemies. You had, as you mentioned, the great terror, which lasted five years where it was basically what was described by Dr. It was this mob mentality that existed for quite a while. And I know that's revolutionary France, and I don't seek to be hyperbolic. But, you know, again, I think it's worth drawing some lessons from history, even if they're not directly applicable to what happened to you in London this week, you know, or whatever it may be. But we do have seemed to have fallen into Dr. Drew described that is narcissistic. But this, there is in my lifetime, and I would imagine to yours, Douglas, a greater reversion.

to mob mentality and sort of a lust for, if not violence, retribution that exists right now throughout Western society. Do you see parallels to what happened or lessons from what happened in France? Well, yes. I mean, there are some, definitely. There are always resonances from the French Revolution. I mean, one thing, of course, that happened was that the people in power, the king and his court were utterly distant from the rest of the country. Louis was a weak man. He wasn't a particularly bad man, but he was a weak man. He wasn't like Louis XIV, who knew how to exercise power.

Louis XVIth was a dithera. And of course, when you read now of the activities of the French court, I mean, the banalities of what they were engaging in, the frivolity and the simple separateness of the court from the rest of the country. I mean, Versailles was wildly out of sync with Paris at the time, let alone all the rural areas where people were trying to scratch your living and very often failing. So that disconnect between the rulers and the ruled is something actually which traditionally democratic societies have tried very hard to avoid. And we have a way to avoid them, of course,

which is in the form of democratic elections where we, the people, get our say and nobody else can take it from us. And so whenever a democratic society needs to adapt, it has that great, important release valve of elections. I would say that one of the dangerous things in recent years has been the growing perception in America and in other democracies, that effectively the people when they speak are not listened to and that this this separate court as you were rules over them anyway

whichever way they vote at the ballot box and that's really I mean we have heard that that language in recent years particularly in American politics I think of sort of the deplorables and so on

that the sense that the political class doesn't like the people and would like to find a way to get around the people you know the old joke I can't remember who made it first, that, you know, the people have let the elected representatives down. We will need to replace the people. I think it was Brecht who made that joke first in the 20s.

But in the 1920s, but it's, yes, I do hear little echoes of that. And as for the bloodlust, one of the things that really is a remarkable element of the period of post-revolutionary France, was this endless idea that, you know, you just sort of had to wade through enough blood and you would get to the nirvana. And what all that always misunderstood was that really once you've allowed the Pandora's box to open and the furies to stretch the metaphor to be released, what happens is something that no man or woman can contain. Once the use of violence,

enters politics, politics changes completely. Once you have people who want to pursue their goals through violence, politics changes. You mentioned this unfortunate instant early in the week, but I said in a piece today, I don't recognize my native country of Britain when an audience at a theater in the heart of the West End can't turn up to an event because it's too dangerous to attend.

I don't recognize a Britain where, for instance, the police don't immediately say we will do everything in our power to keep this event safe. We will protect the public. And what it gives out the opposite is this terrible weakness, whereas I say even the police seem to be fearful of the public and the public aren't fearful of the police are certainly not the extremists in the British public.

And I compared that to a famous event in the 1980s when Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister. And when the IRA very nearly succeeded in assassinating her by putting a bomb in the wall of the hotel she was staying at in Brighton, it killed a number of her colleagues, very close friends of hers, seriously maimed the wife of one of her cabinet ministers. And she came very close to being killed herself as pure fluke. but she wasn't. But she the next day stood in front of the British public and said the conference will go on. We don't allow the men of violence,

in that case, the IRA, to dictate elected politics. And I don't hear that sort of determination or grit as much today as I would like. I see people being fearful, fearful of mobs in a way which, of course, only ever encourages them. Of course, there are always levels of extremity, but it's hard not to think about Washington, D.C. It's hard not to think about our current president in Joe Biden. And again, to emphasize, there are extremes, but as you mentioned, history isn't repetitive.

It echoes. I'm not sure it even rhymes, but it echoes. It doesn't repeat. But there are lessons to learn from those echoes. You know, Douglas, when I had fun with this topic and I was kind of like Googling, revolutions, you know, the frame that we put on our conversation today is top five revolutions. But I would make two interesting observations in putting this to you. Number one, when you Google that, it is shocking the number. Like, there are rankings out there, and I don't know

from what type of source, but, you know, they'll place the American Revolution fifth, and often the Haitian revolution is second, or the CCP is third, or whatever they may be. And I don't know by what standard they're ranking revolutions, but what it occurs to me is, If they're talking about the improbability or the success in throwing off an existing power, okay, maybe. Like a slave rebellion in Haiti is a huge victory for the underdog, I guess, right? But what came after? That should be the measure of success.

What did you replace the existing power structure with? And that's the success of the American Revolution. But the second thing, besides just these weird rankings, Douglas, is the American Revolution may be singular. I'm not sure you can come up with the top five. If I made you live in that format and say, give me your top five revolutions, most revolutions are, hey, we threw off what was, but didn't replace it with something that is better. Oh, yes, you bet.

I mean, it's extremely hard to come up with examples of revolutions that have been, first all, successful, secondly, relatively peaceful, and thirdly, that have led to an improved society. That's why, of course, the founding text of conservatism, conservative thought, Edmund Burke's reflections on the revolution in France, was such an important work, is such an important work, because Burke foresaw and witnessed his own predictions coming true that what had been unleashed would always be worse than the situation that already existed. And France certainly demonstrated that in the years after 1789. There are some revolutions you could point to, but then you always get into dangerous corners of politics. For instance, I mean,

in South American politics of endless revolutions and counter-revolutions and much more. The left in America in particular very often talks about the revolution in Chile and the spectra of General Pinnachet. And it's a very interesting one because Pinnishay was a brutal man. He was, of course, a military leader. And I think it's estimated he killed around 5,000 of his political opponents.

It has to be said, and I'm not by any means diminishing his crimes, but by revolutionary standards, historically, that isn't actually that higher number. And Chile today is probably in a better position than certainly a lot of its neighbors. But I mean, you wouldn't want to look back and say, therefore, this is to be celebrated because it's still, you know, thousands of lives lost. The problem is I notice that for ideological reasons, the left in particular celebrates revolutions far, far bloodier than that in Chile and doesn't mind the blood that had to be waded through.

I mean, in my own lifetime, only 15 years ago, a Labour Party MP in the UK, said that Chairman Mao was a great historical hero. And when I asked why, she said, well, he caused great advances in the agrarian economy of China. I think, well, yes. And then there was the 60 to 70 million people that he murdered along the way, either by directly murdering them or by starvation. So the left, I have to say, is especially blithe, in my view, at celebrating horrifically bloody revolutions, unimaginably bloody revolutions, which actually almost all of the time did not lead to an improvement in the society, either materially or socially. You know, the commonality, there's two commonalities I see when you analyze revolutions. One is the obvious throwing off existing power structures. In the beginning, it was throwing off monarchies. In many cases, it was throwing off perhaps colonial powers. Sometimes it's throwing off a dictator, whatever it may be, changing the existing power dynamic within a country. But the result, the vast majority of time, comes down to replacing it with chaos. And as I look at it, Douglas, it sort of becomes the prism through which you see how society is. ordered, order, or chaos. I've always been fascinated by the mindset of the World Economic Forum.

I've always been fascinated by the mindset of the Klaus Schwab or Bill Gates viewpoint of what is the point of trying to engineer from on high some sort of utopia. But I do wonder if they look at the expanse of history and go, well, in their own minds, Douglas, they go, well, without order, be it a king, be it a party, be it a dictator, you're left with chaos. And so in order to chaos, we will impose a utopic order in the vision we manifest here together at the World Economic Forum. I don't think I'm being charitable. I'm just trying to understand how it is they see the world and why there's an excuse to think beyond nation states into this utopic world globalist vision. Well, it's a pretty dangerous game they're playing, in my view. It gets back to

that thing of the ruler and the ruled having too large a gap between them. I think, I mean, one of the interesting things about the emerging prominence of the WEF in recent years has been that there seems to be a greater and greater awareness of it among the general public in all of the world's democracies. And that's that rather, I think, perfectly legitimate feeling of who exactly appointed these people And why do they talk about us in such grandiose terms? And, you know, to quote a famous left-wing politician who put his finger on something quite good on this. One of the questions you have to ask anyone who has power is, how did you get it and who can take it away?

And the question of who could take away power from Klaus Schwab, of course, is none of us and not you, not me, and no member of the public. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation. which is absolutely fascinating about the most impactful revolutions in history with Douglas Murray on The Will King Show. Fox News Audio presents Unsolved with James Patterson. Every crime tells the story, but some stories are left unfinished. Somebody knows. Real cases, real people.

Listen and follow now at Fox Truecrime.com. Welcome back to the Will Kane Show. We're still looking at the top five revolutions in history with Douglas Murray. This conversation that I had with Dr. Drew, where he brought back up the French Revolution, he talked about Napoleon as essentially the antidote to what was happening in terms of this bloodlust and mob violence in France. And of course, as you point out, it's just a return. to the mean. It was returned to a new authoritarian figure. But it was something else as well that Napoleon represented. He represented for one thing in France, sort of a national vision of a

military expansionism. And that, I think, gave the populace an opportunity to find themselves unified once again on something. And that seems to be the great big challenge of the West right now, what unifies us, right? Either here in America or the West in general, what do we have any more that we rally around? I think one of the few places that you and I kind of have a level of disagreement. I'm not sure, but see, you see much more virtue or utilitarianism in the Western military presence, for example, in Ukraine. I'm much more skeptical of military expansionism. But it is true that it is a way to unify. People are never more unified than when they are attacked from the outside. And even if they are the one doing the attack,

even if they are the one expanding. And it's like Napoleon by spreading his wings and all of a sudden, I was watching this Alexander, the great documentary, the minute that his father is killed, right? And there's pretty decent historical evidence that he, if not his mother, was involved in the death of his father, who is the king of Macedonia. The first thing he does is blame the Persians, and now the court is unified, you know, and now there's an outside forced, which we were all, instead of dividing us inside of Macedonia on the Philippites versus the Alexandrians, it's now the Macedonians versus the Persians. And I just wonder, like, is this not a tool, you know, and I'm not putting it in terms of virtue or vice, to unify us?

like, oh, as long as we are fighting over there, we're unified over here. I don't know, because I mean, you're right. We probably do disagree on Ukraine. I don't think the problem is, I don't think, well, first, the Western forces aren't in Ukraine in any meaningful way. It's just a matter of arming the Ukrainians to fight for themselves, which has been since the beginning. The problem in Ukraine is Russian forces illegally invading it.

But, and if Vladimir Putin withdrew tomorrow, the war would be over. But I've been in many countries at war, and yes, you're right. I mean, nothing unifies a country than being invaded, for instance. Expanding is another form of unification, for sure. But the most unifying thing of all is what happens if you're invaded. I saw that when I was in Ukraine in the – well, I can't know, when it wasn't that more than a year ago. And, you know, you've never seen the people more united.

other, I would say, that in Israel in recent months, Israel was tearing itself apart in recent years, protesters on the streets every weekend over the judicial reform bill of the government. You know, after the attacks of October 7th, all that for now is put in the background because the country is unified in a war. Yes, of course.

I mean, evasion makes all of these things seem, of course, as they are in the grand scheme, preposterous things to fall out about. when you've got a matter of life and death in front of you. By the way, one of the interesting things about Napoleon is that he's an historical figure who is a good example of the fact that you don't have to travel very many miles to see a totally different interpretation of him. Of course, if you go to his tomb in Paris, his grand and extraordinary tomb,

you will see the reverence in which he is held in France. In Britain, he's seen quite differently. He's seen as a despot, a sort of proto-Hitler-like figure who tried to roll across Europe and then, of course, all the way into Russia, which is where he, like Hitler, failed. But it's very interesting. Some years ago, I was doing a project with a bunch of NATO generals and the French general involved said to me one day over lunch. He said, is it true, Douglas? In English schools, they teach that Napoleon was a tyrant. And I said, well, I'm afraid to tell you they'd do.

do. And he would have, Mondeuos. He couldn't believe it. Because for him, and for France, Napoleon is a great hero. By the way, that history is always still being litigated. In 1989, on the 200th anniversary of the French Revolution, President Mitterrand invited Margaret Fatcher to the celebrations in Paris, and she refused to go. she refused to go and said that she would not go because the revolution was not something to be celebrated.

So even the small stretch of water that is the English channel divides opinion on this figure even 200 years later. Douglas Murray, there's so many more things I'm looking forward to talking to you about next time. Always respect and appreciate your work. Thank you. Thank you. Pleasure to be with you.

Only the Will Caincho can go from the top five revolutions to what's it like to have every bone in your body broken riding a bull. We've got a real cowboy, J.B. Moni, next on The Wheelcane Show. This is Jimmy Phala, inviting you to join me for Fox Across America, where we'll discuss every single one of the Democrats' dumb ideas. Just kidding. It's only a three-hour show. Listen live at noon Eastern or get the podcast at foxacrossamerica.com. Welcome back to the Will Cain Show.

Revisiting some of our greatest moments from 2024, it was certainly a treat for me to sit down with, I mean, a legendary cowboy, J.B. Moni at the American Rodeo. He is one of the greatest bull riders of all time. He is raw. He's authentic. You never know what you're going to get, but you're pretty sure it's going to be real.

It's J.B. Mooney here on the Will Cain Show. What's up, J.B. Thanks for having me. So your state of the union? Oh. I'm kidding. We're not going to talk politics. We're not going to talk politics.

But, you know, J.B., if you're from North Carolina, you now live here in Texas. You know, I'll tell you this. Can I just ask you this? This isn't political. I'm not even sure it's cultural. I don't think there's any sport that is more quintessentially American than rodeo. There's not. I agree 100% with you.

Maybe the only debate would be football. Yeah, but I'm pretty sure rodeo dated back farther than that. And it just, to me, exemplifies exactly what I just talked about. I mean, it's the edge. It's risk tolerance. It's frontiersmen. It's cowboy. Tell me what you think of rodeo and how it represents America.

Oh, you just the way I go about everything in my entire life, the old school way. You know, this is, guys go out of a little different nowadays. They're more kind of the athlete's side of things, you know, trying to eat right. right, working out, things like that. But it's still, once you crawl off in that bucking shoot, it's still the old school mentality and let it all hang out on the line. So you're talking about the guys turned into athletes and eating right, and you're still smoking Marlboros?

Yeah, I didn't grow out of that. So is that a pre-shoot and post-bucking off? Give me your routine. I'm going to be honest with you in the audience, like the minute this show is over, Zen goes in. I don't know if you know what Zen is. Oh, yeah, I know what Zen is. And as soon as this show's over with and I step out those doors, I'll fire one up.

And I smoked one right before I come through those doors. And how quickly after you get off the bull? Oh, I had to make it to the locker room, which they frowned upon. But intros were really pretty good because I liked it. It was dark. They always had the smoke. They just blended in so I could get by with it in. The other part of you about you that's old school is, and you did it at the beginning of your career, you wore the helmet.

Very few guys have kept the cowboy hat. You went back to the cowboy hat. I mean, obviously, and you've experienced, I don't know that the helmet would have saved you, but you've experienced some of the risk of not wearing a helmet. Why did you go back to the cowboy hat on the bull? Oh, my parents made me wear one when I was little, and it was more or less habit than it, you know.

It was always in my rigging bag. I always grabbed it just like I would my bull rope, you know, when I was getting ready. And I can't remember what year old. It was 2011 or something. I wasn't riding very good. We were bucking practice bulls at the house, and I never picked it up. I left it laying on my bag.

I got on, rode that day, and got off, and the guy said, man, that looked good. He felt good. He goes, you're just going to quit wearing it? I was like, what are you talking about? He said, you didn't wear your helmet. It don't know. Like, I had no clue. I didn't even put it on.

And I was like, that's right. And I never put it back on. Never put it back on. So it wasn't you were making the points about being old school. You just rode well with the hat. I felt like I didn't lose vision of them. I kept them right in my eyesight. With a helmet, you're peripheral.

You can't see sight. You're kind of pretty much zoned in. So, you know, when I didn't wear it, it's almost like I never lost sight of those bulls. No matter where they were at, I could still see them out of the corner of my eye. So I'm going to follow up on that. So when you're, you know, this is a weird sport in that I don't know how you practice. Like, I know you live, you know, an hour and a half away from here in Stephenville, Texas, and I know you're raising bulls and you've got a ranch.

But, I mean, the danger of the sport makes it so, I don't know, you can't get on bulls every day and ride, can you? I did. I mean, that's, you know, that's the only true form of practice you can actually do to help make you a better bull rider. I mean, they have drop barrels, you know, simulations, but it's not like the real thing. You know, a drop barrel does the same exact thing every time, just up and down. You can work on minor things on that, but the only way, the way I looked at it,

the only way I was going to get better was to get on Bulls every day, and that's what I try to do. Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back with J.B. Moni here on the Will Cain Show. To succeed in the future of work, forward thinkers use AI to deliver measurable results. Workday is the AI platform for HR and finance that frees you from the mundane, so you can focus on more meaningful work. Workday, moving business forever forward. Welcome back to the Will Kain Show. We're talking to a bona fide cowboy, J.B. Moni.

So eight seconds for us watching feels like eight seconds. What does eight seconds feel like honorable? It just depends on how it's going. If it's going smooth, it rolls by pretty fast, like sitting in a rocking chair. but if it's going, you're out of shape and getting all that power, it takes a long time for that whistleblower.

Are you, eight seconds, a lot of things in your life you can fit into eight seconds? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. A bad ride, you can fit a whole pile of stuff in eight seconds because this seems like it just, like it's in slow motion. So, take me back to that slow motion. You talked about what you could see with the hat versus the helmet. I mean, again, to us, it looks like chaos.

and you're just riding a tornado, but you're watching this beast, what, 1,500-pound beast? I don't know. It just depends. Some of them bigger. You're watching him, and by the way, if anybody hasn't watched, they're athletes. Oh, yeah.

I mean, what the way they move, their bodies, it defies reality, gravity, and every other word I could throw in. And you're watching what? Like, what cues are you looking at down at that bull to see which way he's going to go? Well, you don't really watch their head because them bulls will swing their head one way and go the opposite direction.

So you kind of look where their hump is or right there at the front of their shoulders. You try to just keep your eyesight there. That keeps your chin down. If your chin ever gets up, you get rear back. That's when you get on all the power. And more or less, you ride them off the field. You don't watch. Like when they turn into your leg, you'll fill them.

And that's why you have to work on body position all the time. You're constantly moving when you're riding bulls because your legs are what pulls you around. You know, when that bull turns back, you know, you got your head down, but when he turns, it hits that leg. Well, that pulls you. And it's pretty much like dancing. He makes the move. You follow him. So look, I'm all hat, no cattle.

I'm pretend cowboy. I grew up an hour north of here, small town, and, you know, been on horseback plenty. I'm super ashamed that every time there's a mechanical bull on Fox and Friends, which I host on the weekends, I'm one of the worst. And I watched eight seconds. I know what to do. I know squeeze with the inside of my legs. I know lean, you know, get on top of my fist, and I think I'm saying the right things. And I know, you know, I don't want to be leaning too far forward, but I don't want to be too far back.

But there's something about that slick mechanical bull. J.B., I'm an embarrassment. I have to show you. I recently bought one. We found it on Facebook, and so I went and bought it, and we've got it set up. My little boy, you can turn that thing wide open and he'll ride it. As long as you have someone sitting there running the controls, he'll ride that thing all day. So you're from North Carolina.

What got you into this? Were you out here mutton busting at rodeos in North Carolina? Like, why did you start riding bulls? My dad still wrestled, and shoot, I think I was three when I started riding sheep. I always rode horses, was always carrying a rope around, and they started letting me get on sheep, and then it went into calves and then steers, junior bulls, and I was 13 when I started getting on big bulls. And parents did not like that so much, but they got used to it, I guess. So I mentioned you're from North Carolina.

You live now in Texas. I don't know where we are currently. I don't know if half the guys on the PBR or Competence Weekend or Brazilian. Close to it. We're the best cowboys. Where are the best bull riders? You know, everybody thinks Texas Cowboys, but when I was 15, 16, 17, 18, we could go to an open bull riding in North Carolina.

almost every day of the week and never go past four hours from my house an open boor rider and you know it that was the place to be back then it's changed a lot now there's not as many board riders over there as there was then and I'd say the way it's looking Brazil's got the I call it the more hungry guys coming you know and they're different right like you're you're fairly tall you're 510 you're pretty light I always think I've been And so I've got the worst build for a bull rider. Like I'm 6, 2, 180. But those Brazilian dudes are big.

My point is most bull riders are not very big guys. Yeah, most of them are not very big. But except the Brazilians. Yeah, some of them are big. They work out constantly. I mean, they're stout. I relied more on balance than strength, if you can't tell. And, you know, those guys, they work out so much and they're so strong that, you know,

if they do get out of position, they can hunk. down and just muscle through it. You're not going to muscle that 1,800-pound bull. I don't care how strong you are. So eventually something's going to give. And to where I never worried about working out, I worked enough during the day, messing with bulls and working bulls,

that I figured I didn't need to go to a gym. I'd never seen anything in a gym that had to do with riding the bulls, so I didn't go. I mentioned it earlier. I don't know that the helmet would have saved you, but you've been retired. You said since September. September.

Broke your neck. First of all, let's get the rundown of the injuries throughout your career. Oh, shoot. How long is this show? There's no time limit. We'll be here all day if I'm trying to list back because it started when I started getting on Bulls.

What's the worst? I mean, I know the most recent one, but if I said to you give me the three or four worst, what would they be? When I was 18, Bulls stepped on my stomach, broke all my ribs on my right side, lacerated my liver. They said it should have killed me.

Pretty much tore this on. The arm completely off, skin was the only thing holding it on. I got a first surgery. They, Candy Freeman in Dallas here, put a screw, 13 anchors in it, to reattach everything. That was the first surgery, had to go back in about two and a half years later and have a second surgery, and I'm pretty sure I need a third one because I'm pretty sure I ripped some stuff back loose.

And that was the hardest one to come over. Last ready of my kidney, by far the shoulder was the hardest one to come over, overcome because this was my free arm. This was my balance arm. Everybody thinks this is the most important one, but it's not. The one you hold on with, this main job is to stay shut. I mean, that's pretty simple. This one controls where your upper body goes. You get it out of shape, you're hitting the ground, not too far after that. So a couple of flops on the injuries. So you get stepped on here. Do you have the vest on? Oh, yeah. Because, again, you know, my bull riding knowledge extends to Lane Frost in eight seconds and tough heat of him. But no, I watch you. By the way,

When you came out, the fact that you were from North Carolina was, look, I'm, I know not every cowboy is from Texas in it, but Montana, Canada, Brazil, and then now increasingly like Australia, just, isn't Jess Lockwood? Well, he's Montana, he's Montana, he's Montana, but Kyle Hamilton is Australia, but I didn't, I hadn't, I wasn't used to seeing somebody from, from North Carolina. Oh, yeah. So, but in eight seconds, I mean, that's, it was a, it was a horn, but it was this area. That's what killed Lane Frost. Yeah, it just said a horn. hit his ribs broke that rib and that ribs stuck through the main artery going through his heart man it's a real pleasure to meet you i'm a legitimate fan i follow him both in his career on tv on instagram he's got a million followers uh he's the real deal meaning he's always real as you can see and uh you'll enjoy keeping up with j b moody thank you so much yes sir thank you appreciate it

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